WEBVTT - Ep. 293: Snakebite 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.320 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.080 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:36.400 every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, your listeners 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.479 will have to bear with us for a minute. Uh, 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.760 cal do I want to tell a story about it 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.040 one of my college teachers, but it has to do 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.400 with your story you just told. Cal just shared a 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.280 story that involved a man unloading a tractor tire. Is 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:56.040 that fair? Yeah? Very fair. When I was in college, 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.320 I took black and white photography. One in black and 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.280 white photograph, you two. When I took black and white 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:07.479 photography to the teacher had real world photography experience because 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.080 he had a job at one point in time documenting 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:17.319 insurance fraud. His greatest work accomplishment was he was working 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.360 a guy who was out on a permanent UH disability 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.640 with a back injury, and so he stakes out right 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.840 And it turns out that the man was a monster 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:35.400 truck enthusiast, and my teacher got images of him loading 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.240 and unloading an entire round of monster truck tires out 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.039 of the back of his truck. That is not good 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.960 for your back. And he would approach the tailgate and 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.320 he would grab he would bear hug the monster truck, 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:53.919 lock his fingers through the rim, and then lean back 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.080 in all the tires around. And that was that was 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.960 his Uh that was his greatest moment as an insurance 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:08.920 for aud photographer. Uh Phil, where that story? Yn? Uh Phil? 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:17.200 Can you can you play a breaking news sound? Okay? 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.560 As we're sitting down here, picture this. I'm in this. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.480 I'm here in the studio. We're doing a little pre 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.960 show banter and I get a text message from my 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:29.560 friend guys U thirty nine minutes fresh. This is five 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.240 minutes ago. So what's that add up to? Forty four 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:40.359 minutes fresh? Okay? A massive squirrel bust. Thanks to a 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.639 concerned citizen, Missouri Department of Conservation Agent M d C. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:52.000 Missouri Department of Conservation Conservation agents Brad Hadley and Eric 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.760 Long were able to make contact with a large group 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.600 of non residents squirrel hunters in and around Current River 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:05.120 conser of Asian Area sixteen non resident squirrel hunters. The 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.640 group of sixteen had been hunting for two days and 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:14.320 harvested four hundred and seventy one squirrels. Anything of that, Karen, 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.880 hundred fifty one over the over the possession limit. We 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.320 did the math. It's fifteen squirrels per day, but the 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.399 bag limits ten a day. How is ten a day 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:32.200 not enough for you? There are five over each. That 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.920 is a generous squirrel limit. I don't know what to say. 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:42.840 The picture is what state was this? Miss Missouri? The 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:48.640 the picture you'd think you were looking at. I initially 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.200 thought I was looking at someone who was dying in 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.800 wax and traps. On closer inspection, just because of who 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.120 it came from. On closer inspection, I would think I'm 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.720 looking at a bunch of like mink. But they're the 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.160 squirrels are all soaking wet. No, but they look like 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.600 they're like they don't have their hair on them, like 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:12.480 they've been I disagree. Those the tails are like pointy 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.919 one secondary, Joannie, I'm gonna hand it to you. I 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.159 have my own superphones. It looks like that kind of 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.600 like careless, like cat or dog. There's like, no, no, 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.400 they're just stopping wet for some reason. Oh they might 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.800 do that. Clay neew Camino the clay neew come deal 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.480 where you dun't come in a bucket and then skin them. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.640 I didn't keeps hair down, keeps hair from getting well, 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.520 as I proved, it's just as clean to skin him 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.640 then dunk them. But he dunked them, and then and 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.039 then that's what he's dealing with, is something that's unsightly 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.720 as that. But their tails aren't poofy. Their tails are 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.680 like like rat tails. They're soaking wet. So they grabbed 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:51.960 him by the whiskers and dunked him from the head 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.960 in when in the morning and you look at yourself. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.640 So they're a hundred squirrels over the allowed possession limit. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.640 All were cited for possession of over limit of squirrels 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.280 and warnings were issued for failure to keep wildlife separate 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.680 and identifiable. Meaning that's my pile, that's your pile, that's 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:18.839 your pile again. Laid out like a drug bust. Yeah, 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.360 oh yeah, laid out like a drug bust. Non resident 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:30.560 squirrel slaughter in Missouri joined today by Jordan. But Jordan, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.520 what do you think about all that? Man? You know, 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.279 I don't know much about squirrels. We're squirrel hunting haven't 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.599 done it. Seriously, seriously haven't. But you're born in Nebraska. 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.400 I know you guys got tree squirrels, don't you for 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:50.000 sure when you were located. Yeah, but rabbits, Yeah, did 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:55.200 the rabbit thing, and coyotes and then big game. Never 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:59.320 got a squirrel, Never got a squirrel even like squirrel curious? No, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.040 do you get a lot of money? Ah? Yeah, there's 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.839 a lot of them out there? What kind of looking 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.080 at I turned my attention to Janni just to read 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.560 his facial expression. Oh, yeah, because we might have to 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.160 go and do a little hot with d place if 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.400 there's some virgin squirrel to be had there, definitely is. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.600 Do you know if they're grays or fox squirrels? I 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.839 couldn't tell you. They rusty colored. They're rusty colored. Have 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:28.239 you ever got them all house cat? Yeah, they're pretty big, Jordan, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.880 Have you ever got an awesome invitation like that? Somebody 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.680 do any of the favor of taking you out to 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:39.599 your own place hunt your own squirrels will come up. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.680 We can show you like five different ways to skin 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.640 them and clean them. We'll teach you the clay nukem 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.359 duncan first method, the pants and the shirt and pants method, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:59.280 tail method, all the methods. Yeah yeah, pends, squirrels. You 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:07.640 got over there, Cal cal Han's here, sir um Phil, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:13.320 he was late Karen fresh Offer first Antelope hunt? Did 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.040 you know that it was mildly controversial when I requested 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.040 that that chair to be put in there? I never 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.240 get over there, but I see people enjoy themselves over there. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.800 What was controversial? Just like one of those things like 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.840 of you know, the opportunity cost of me going picking 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.360 that chair up or whatever. I don't know. Listen, man, 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.520 I had to ask for that chair fifteen times. This 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:38.120 guy's high on his own supply after after his dear 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.360 Stand calendar was a huge success, and now he's just 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:48.600 I was revisiting every time I've been wrong. You almost 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.560 think it was that the calendar didn't do well, and 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.760 I was going back to try to find other examples 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.320 of being right. But this just inspired me to point 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.200 out other times in my life and I've been credit 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:03.200 about that. Uh oh my gosh, Yanni, a giant sheephead 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.200 is here? Yes, this one more being in the room. 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:10.679 Oh oh a snort, Oh yeah. And Cal's dog fresh 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:15.160 Off almost dying. Is that true? Or is he making 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.960 it up. Man, I've been around a lot of dead 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.960 and dying animals, and I was like, okay, we are 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:23.960 I was like, oh, well, I guess it was a 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:25.840 short run. But it was a good round type of thing. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.240 Oh yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to how 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:38.160 that dog almost died. Um. But Yannie, big bighorn cheap school. Yeah, 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.520 double be for Yanni Pete, and be stands for broomed, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:46.280 double broom. But but but bighorns are as plainly what 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.440 broom does. But I mean big horns kind of run broomed. 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.240 I don't know if that's true. Really. I think some 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:58.800 of the biggest ones still have their lamb tips of unbroom. No, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.319 they get to as certain they get to a certain size, 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:07.599 and it just broomed. Okay, I didn't know. Um. I 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.560 like the fact that what I've been staring at the 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:17.199 most is this kind of chunk of gelatin, uh collagen, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.920 yummy nous that's still stuck to the nose of this thing. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:27.640 And I keep thinking about, just if we were roasting 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:32.200 this head right now. Yeah, it's freshly killed, so it's 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:36.120 it hasn't been trimmed up. I just I got the eyeballs. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.680 As as far as that made it, it's nine years old. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:46.400 Nine years old? Which uh, in in your unit, your circumstance, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:53.480 where's that put this ram? Like if the biologist buddy said, uh, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.719 where this lies in the in the pack. As far 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.240 as population goes, there was one other ram that I 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.000 saw that I hunted that was probably eleven or twelve 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:09.520 years old, and then there was probably four or five 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.480 that were in this sky's range, and then younger rams. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.480 So not that many. For how much country there was 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:23.800 to look at. You put some miles on, did we? Yeah? 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:25.600 I don't know if there was, Like I can't say, like, oh, 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.640 it's like a minimum of ten miles a day. But 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.920 one day I did three seriously, But that was because 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.880 I had to go out to the trailhead and pick 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.240 up Charlie Williams, the photographer re stock food grabbed my 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.640 rifle and then come back in. Yeah, and that might 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.680 have been the mistake I made, which might have cost 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:49.160 me the m the chocolate ram. Oh, the chocolate not 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:53.040 mr big nuts. They all have big nuts, old kettle bell. 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:59.880 It's like a pineapple hanging down there. Yeah. So there. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.160 The approaches were long to get into the sheep country. Uh, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.560 there's a lot of private property in the area, and 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.760 to just to get into where they are in this range, 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.520 you've got to circumnavigate some private which makes the approaches long. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.240 When you were bouncing from like one peak to the 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.440 next peak, did you oftentimes have to go down and 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.560 cross drainages or was it just like a long ridge 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.319 line that you're hunting on. Definitely, wasn't ridge line running 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:27.920 like we've done in Alaska um isolated chunks of habitat. No, 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.480 the ridge lines are long with their unnavigable without like 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.280 maybe like like a very skilled mountain climber like Garrett 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.719 Smith could probably make it along there if he had 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.040 his equipment with him. But like you just can't walk 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:43.760 up on the ridge and then just walk down the 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.800 ridge because it's just interrupted by spires and stuff. So yeah, 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.040 just steep loose rock. Your efficient line was like zipper, 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.000 like a big zig zag, like going out to points 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.679 to look back versus we're basically just going up into drainages, 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.920 looking up, maybe climbing up one side to look across, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.840 and then coming back out the drainage, looping around ridge, 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.880 going up the next drainage and repeating, Oh, that makes miles. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.000 Were they mostly in the alpine or were they in 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.680 the timber? They're definitely, um some One of the advice 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.840 that was given them about that unit was to definitely 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.640 keep your eyes like on the timber line and in 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.520 the timber as much as you can. I mean, there's 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.760 a certain point where you're like, you don't think they're 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.320 gonna be down one of the elkar where there's aspen 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.440 meadows and stuff, you know. So I think when people 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.400 said looking at timber, they were talking like, Okay, the 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.280 top half of the ridge is rocky. The bottom if 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.320 you split the bottom half half of it's like open timber, 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.080 and then it goes full timber. Like look in that 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.120 open timber and you might see them and uh, you know, 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.960 because the vegetation changes so much just in there in 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.720 a thousand feet right like in that lower timber where 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.120 I found the rams before the season started. I mean 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.240 when you look at the pictures, it's like they're feeding 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.440 in this like lush jungle, very green. You know a 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.920 lot of you know, on them shoulder to head high vegetation. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.040 But then they climb a thousand feet and there's nothing 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:12.400 over two or three inches tall, just rocks. So how 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.560 how many days did you hunt? Well, I know that 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.960 you found one before. Yeah, I found a group of 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:24.400 rams before. Yeah, well a couple of days before open. Yeah. 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.640 When I saw him, I knew it was too good 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.400 to be true. I'm sitting there looking at it ran 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.520 that you could I mean, he was in the easiest 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.280 spot of easiest spots that I saw all the whole week, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.120 and it's three days before season, and I'm just like, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.120 there's no way, there's no way that ram is gonna 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.599 be standing in that little I called them pastures, you know, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.280 and elk I I feel like feeds in a meadow, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.560 and so does a deer. But when I was looking 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.960 at these big green avalanche shoots, I couldn't call the metal. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:56.520 I feel like it was more like a pasture because 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.240 that's where like a sheep and a goat feeds, right, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.840 It's like feeding a pasture. I was just like, there's 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.520 no way he's gonna be don't want to call a 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.320 little grassy bowl. M they weren't bowls. When you were 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.920 you were doing like the mental gymnastics, did you try 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.080 to like reason as to why that group disappeared where 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.480 you like maybe they got my smell, maybe they saw it, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.679 maybe they were more nervous. That's the first thing your 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.120 buddy Steve said when I said I hadn't seen him 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.880 in a few days. Did you spook him? Well as 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.720 much as I can. Uh, it was a text message. Yeah, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.200 so I think that you need to do a very 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:38.800 neutral reading. Uh, did you spook him? That's better? But no, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.200 I meant it like the way you said it first. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.240 that's that's the inflection I felt. I read the text. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:53.480 Are you fucking this up? Exactly? What? Yeah? What serie 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.880 reads your text messages? That's what That's what I think. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.520 What he's trying to say is did you get too 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.600 anxious and decided to just, you know, go pretend shoot 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.120 him and then ran him off the country. But I 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.040 was getting at in my text. I wasn't getting at you. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.200 I was getting at like, is it probable that you'll 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.840 find it? Yeah? Meaning if you spook the hell out 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.560 of it, then you might have been like that it's 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.760 never gonna work, you know. I feel like these sheep 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.520 don't get a lot of human pressure. They don't get 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.920 hunted that much. Right, you have a couple of tags, 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:29.520 A year. This year there was three tags in the unit. Um. Well, 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.960 I think we often as hunters like to, you know, 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.720 put on these animals that like, oh, they're so elusive. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.320 It's the most evasive species out of all of them. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.080 Where I think a lot of times, especially like these 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.240 big corn sheep, they're not trying to hide from us. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.720 They're just being sheep. They're doing their thing. They live 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.960 up in the rocks where they are hard to find, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.920 probably not just for me, but probably for mountain lions 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.560 and you know whatever other predators are out there too. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:58.600 That's like their safety, right. Um. So they just walked 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.520 to the thing was he was hanging out with another 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:06.840 fairly mature ram and then uh, five young rams. So 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:10.200 I kept thinking like, man, if they stay together, one 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.800 of those is gonna pop out, Like it should be 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.400 pretty easy to find seven rams somewhere. And they just 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.280 went to a place that I don't think I looked 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.040 it was I would. I mean, I can show you 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.240 some pictures right now, but this country definitely like when 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.040 we were at the bottom in the drainages, sometimes you're 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.280 looking over three thousand feet to the top, you know, 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.920 and there's just so many boulders and little ledges and 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.360 like almost like these canyons on the hillside that like 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.960 or it's like a spire, like a little ridge that 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.680 just forms in the rocks, and there might be a 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.840 little grassy bench back there. And if they're in their 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.800 feeding for a day, you sat there for twelve hours 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.400 and glass the hell out of it and they never 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:56.680 popped out. You just don't know. That being said, I 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.440 feel like, especially you know, Charlie Williams was there taking 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.360 pictures and he would grab the bind notes when he 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:06.040 was done taking pictures, and at some point you gotta 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.360 trust your glassing and just be like, you know what, 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.639 we pounded this thing for a morning and evening another morning, 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.119 and all the time in between, we're gonna have to 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.720 move on and go look somewhere else. Maybe we'll come back. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.280 Like my plan was to basically just do a circuit, 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.120 because I knew roughly the ridge and maybe a half 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.560 of another ridge where they should be, And after I 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.160 cleared him out, I was just gonna restock, go right 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:35.280 back into whatever fifteen miles and restart the process, you know, 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.200 and just loop around or like that idea. It's a good, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.320 good good for the mental game too. It's like it's 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.840 a good plan. Yeah, if you let enough time go 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:49.520 by where you can muster up some level of excitement. Yeah, 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.280 you mean between looking at the same Yeah, yeah, because 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.200 it doesn't. It never fails. As soon as you move 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.480 to the other side of the ridge, you're like and 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.240 you don't see him there. You're like, they're back there. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.760 We should go back. We know, I know they're they're 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.639 they're out right now when we're not there and on 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.560 the hill, if you'd never like hiked the country too, 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.080 you'd be so much more confident in your glassing, right 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.840 because the glass it flattens out so much. And it's 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:20.080 like those uh been using those eight those eighteen by 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.920 fifty six is the big vour text ones. I love 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.560 those things, and I just like glue into him and 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.280 your eyes are relaxed, and man, you just get this 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.960 feeling like, oh I covered it. But then like you 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.960 walk something and you're like, yeah, you say, when he 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:42.120 was glass and um, he imagined a laser sound those 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.560 the noises vinals are making his glass and so how many? 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.600 So then what happened? You lost track of everybody? And 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.760 then when I when I found that group of seven, 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.440 there was actually a group of five that were only 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.280 like four yards away and this was the interesting thing, 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.280 and they were there has to do some college rams 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.280 in the group. So this whole unit has less than 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.200 a hundred sheep in it. And so when you start 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:09.720 doing the math, there's probably roughly rams in there. Out 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.080 of there there might be in Colorado, they had to 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:16.280 be half curl to be legal, and so there's probably 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:22.359 a dozen to fifteen legal rams out of those, you know, 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.320 six seven that are like this guy like seven eights 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:30.000 or for full curl ish and um you know in 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:34.360 that eight to nine maybe older UM range, So you're 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.480 not looking for a lot. So yeah, before a season, 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.240 I'm looking at twelve rams. I mean looking at you're 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.080 looking at half the rams in the whole unit, which 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.560 is pretty cool. But I was asked, I know people 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.040 that are UM work for Colorado Parks and Wildlife, and 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.400 doing my research for the hunt, I you know, talked 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:54.160 to the regional wildlife biologists and the UM, the local 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:58.280 game warden and everybody's like, have a great hunt and 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.879 if you can, please don't shoot one of the collared ones. Like, 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.280 we got a lot of time and money invested in it. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.880 Five year collars were and they just started this study. 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.000 We're gonna get a lot of data points off of them. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.480 And so of course this five pack has two collars 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.919 in it. We started calling him the chain gang because 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.080 there's other buddy with him has a scar on his chest, 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:28.400 so you know what we nicknamed him. No, I don't scart, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.200 just just scar, keep it, keep it short and easy. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.159 But I swear they were following me. I mean, we 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:39.399 wouldn't leave one drainage and hike for a day, like 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.560 we go and look at one another side of the 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.640 hill and then hike all the way around, be looking, 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.440 I mean and again to them, it's just a hop, 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.280 skip and a jump to move a mile or two 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.359 and go over the ridge. But like we're being a 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.400 totally new zone and we'd be like, oh, she get 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:58.960 all excited and you're like it's the gang five, you know, 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.919 And uh so I would have because it's legal to 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.320 shoot a collard ram. Yeah, and there there was a 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.560 nice one. But you know, we've talked about it. I 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.960 was like, man, these things are tainted. You know, man 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:14.920 has already touched these and shot these once. We've had 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.280 this conversation many times, right, Yeah, I'm gonna bring up 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:22.520 the important or important part unsolicited. So I was down 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.920 in in uh y He County helping my buddy GM 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.359 with his very you know once in a lifetime California 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:34.959 big horn, cheap tag and glass. This group of nine rams, 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.280 this is an Idaho in Idaho yep, south extreme southwest 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.840 Idaho and one of which and definitely like the oldest 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.760 ram in the in the group both by just like 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:54.199 body configuration and horn size is collared and um for 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.959 you know, the second trip ever, I'm packing around that 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:03.119 somewhere device and I'm sitting there like and and my 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:07.719 buddy Jim's like, boy, that colored ram, that colored ram, 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.800 you know, like he's definitely like got it his interest right, 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.800 he's starting to talk himself into it, right. And so I, 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:19.000 unbeknownst to him, I like send a text message out 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.800 to Idaho Fishing Game, a friend of mine, and I 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:27.280 just said, hey, is it a dick move to kill this? 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.800 This is where we are and this is and we're 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.119 looking at a colored ram. And uh, you know, a 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.120 couple of hours go by and I get a response 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:40.359 it says not a dick move, kill it. Oh huh yeah, 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:43.120 So just just a different program going on over there. 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:44.959 But I don't know if you remember when we were 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:49.159 kind of covering the dues and don'ts of colored animals. Uh, 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.520 Florida was doing the State of Florida was doing a 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:56.200 mortality study and they're doing a white tailed deer mortality study. 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.800 And they had a thing saying like, if you're hunting 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:05.840 and see a collar deer, don't shoot it because it's collard, 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:11.080 But don't not shoot it because it's collar. Try to 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.360 like ignore the collar and make the decision you'd make 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.480 in the absence of the collar, and then do what 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.920 you would otherwise do, because they're trying to determine like 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.359 what kills dear, just considering if everyone just really badly 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:28.199 wants a collar, you're gonna be, like, my goodness, just 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.479 get whittled away. And if no one will touch it, 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.480 you know, you don't get an accurate representation of how 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.000 do you die? So as we sat there, this buddy 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:40.040 mind Jammy sixty seven years old, doesn't pay attention to 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:43.160 a single thing we do, so he has not heard 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:49.200 this conversation before, but unsolicited. He's like, after he gets 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:53.000 excited about this ram and wants to like it's degrees 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.080 wants to go across this god off O canyon up 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:59.680 the other side and go like chase this group into 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.880 the had a canyon, which part of your brain is like, oh, 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:06.040 they just went in there and they're just gonna be 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.920 there waiting for us. Where the other side of your brands, 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:11.560 like those things aren't gone. They're like, this is the 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.800 end of the line. Boys, We're going to this candy. 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:19.120 That's as far as we go. Uh and so unsolicited. 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.720 Jim's like what do you what do you think about 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.840 killing something with a collar on it. He's like like 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:31.160 somebody already got to it first. There was like that 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:35.920 argument of like, but it's tainted, Like you should have said, well, Jim, 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:40.639 people should do like shooting them banded ducks. Yeah, we 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.879 can make a necklace out of that, or get a 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:47.080 copy of that uh collar for you. You can wear 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.840 it around your neck. Well, I was thinking these sheep 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.520 also had double ear tags, so then I was going 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.680 to take those ear tags and run a necklace take 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:04.360 like a duck hunter. I like it. Huh Um. I'll 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.880 tell you story of Ronnie Bam got a banded goose 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.040 and when he turned it in it was it was 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:16.800 banded where he got it. That's not nearly exciting. It 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:22.400 been like just banded where he got it. Jordan's as 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:30.000 you're your sheep hunting experience, just been in Mexico, Um, Mexico. 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.760 I filmed the stone sheep quite a while back, and 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:39.520 then a lot of wilming bigcorns. Yeah, yeah, I just 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.520 filmed the hunts. Yeah, I filmed and then I shot 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.680 that doll sheep in August, and that's been my sheep 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.880 hunting experience. Yeah, so you're pretty much the most prolific 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.920 sheep hunter in the room. I would not say, did 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:56.719 you see pictures of Jordan's doll ram the quietest and 0:25:56.880 --> 0:26:01.560 most prolific sheep hunter in the room. What's that tell you? Um? 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:06.720 All right, so yeah, get tell us what happened now? Um? 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.680 So Yeah, we looked and looked and looked and kept 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.159 running into that you know, the five pack, and decided 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.960 to There's a couple of different ways you could have run. 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.199 It was one was just we were gonna decided we're 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.639 gonna push either push up way up into this drainage 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.720 in the country we hadn't been into yet, and started 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.600 looking and it was quite pretty amazing. Man, like these mountains. 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.760 I had hunted on them quite a bit um when 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.560 I lived in Colorado, but just I hadn't been in 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:34.560 these parts. And there was definitely parts where you're like, 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.280 you felt like you were in Alaska, just like big 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:41.360 subridges that were just crumbling, you know, hanging little glaciers 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.240 all over the place, and like I said, country that 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.240 was you can't just walk over. You know. You're like, well, 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:48.639 if you want to get back there, you have to 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:50.440 go all the way down then come up the drainage 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:54.480 and you know, really like route finding, you know. Anyways, 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.679 instead of doing that, we decided to back out and 0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:02.720 then climb the net X ridge over and then just 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.040 glass back. And it was a huge glass. It's like 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.760 two miles. You're looking from point to point, which is 0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:10.880 you know, when you're looking for an animal, it looks 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.320 like the rocks that it's sitting in. It's a long 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:15.600 ways away, you know. So we started, we did a 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.880 lot of just one eyeball in through the spot and scope. Anyhow, 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:24.840 we climb up there. We glass twelve hours whatever it is, 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:28.040 daylight to almost dark, to the point where I'm like 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.600 I'm done. We didn't see anything. Charlie let's go make camp. 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.200 So we're walking across this We're kind of on our shoulder. 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.760 We're walking across a bowl towards the bench where I 0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:38.240 think we can find a flat spot, and I just 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.359 happened to look up and like eight yards away on 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.920 the horizon, like very dusky light, I see something out 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.720 of place glass, like, holy sh it, it's a ram. 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.199 And then right as I was I'm looking at him, 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.840 another ram like pops up behind him. And then they 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.720 quickly before we can get a spot and scope for 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.600 anything out on him, they kind of dropped towards us 0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.960 and go left and disappear. So we watched the hills. 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.800 I told dark to make sure nothing. Pretty much made 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:09.320 camp right there in the morning. UM washed the hillside 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.240 for maybe the first thirty minutes. I wanted to let 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.760 the light come up because we we had the advantage 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.919 where the light was gonna someone's gonna come up at 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:18.560 our backs, and I figured, if we're gonna walk towards them, 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.760 it would be good, you know, maybe maybe we'll get 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:22.760 into slight advantage if they got the sun in their eyes. 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.560 Hike up pretty much leave the trees hike up from 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.760 I don't know. We must have been camping above eleven, 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:32.920 because I ended up shooting him at like twelve five. 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.560 So we hike up a thousand feet to where we 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.040 last saw him and see that there's they had kind 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:42.040 of and looking at the you know, on X map 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:43.640 on the phone, I could see that they had kind 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.800 of fed into these draws would looked like maybe a 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.400 little abbey shoots, and I figured there was grass in there, 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:53.240 you know, And I figured that we had seen other 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.960 sheep kind of doing the same thing, like feeding down 0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:58.400 into these abbey shoots in the morning, feeding back up 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:00.960 and then find a play. It's amongst the rocks to 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.480 spend the day. So we get to the first one 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.400 and kind of wrap around the hill through pretty big talents, 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.440 you know, some stuff that's as big as a car. 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.040 The smaller stuff if you get one of those little runs, 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.280 you know, it might get a little smaller like baseball, 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:19.080 you know size, and kind of creep around him. I 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.400 can see like the first abbey shoot kind of opening 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.719 up in front of me, and I'm looking for the grass, 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:26.080 and you know, there's a roll of hill in front 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:27.800 of me. And I'm always preaching this like, you know, 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:29.880 take your time, because they could just be just over 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.520 that hill. So one step at a time, scan the 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.560 whole thing, take another step, but I keep ranging the 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:37.480 far side of the shoot, and then I'm getting to 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.719 where the far side of the shoots like a hundred yards, 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.920 eighty yards, seventy yards. I'm like, this is gonna suck, 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.480 because if they're in here, I'm gonna step on them 0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.400 and then we're gonna have a covey of sheep blowing 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.040 out of here and I'm gonna be forced to make 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.080 a decision, you know, which I didn't want to make 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.240 one like that. Well, luckily they're not in that one, 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.600 and right the country kind of opens up down below us. 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:01.880 It's almost like two shoots kind of met and kind 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.280 of bowled out a little bit. And I figured if 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.320 we went down just a little ways, like fifty yards, 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:09.240 we would be able to kind of look into this 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.920 other shoot from from down and kind of look back 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.600 up into it. And that move is all it took. 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.280 We got down there and I looked across and this 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.800 ram was actually in quotes, you know, looking at me. 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.160 He might have been like facing my direction when I 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:27.400 first saw him, and uh then he had four other 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:31.280 rams with him. Figured they were new rams. Well, part 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.480 of my mind saying they're new rams. Then the other 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.680 part of my mind that really wanted to kill a big, 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:40.760 big chocolate ram is like, that's him. He takes chocolate, 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.800 he's by himself, he's got fairly good drop. It looks 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:45.560 like it's going like I'm running all these things through 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:49.120 my mind. But what really like just like completely flipped 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:50.880 my brain was that I looked at the four pack 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:52.920 next to him, and I saw a ram with the 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:54.760 chip out of its horn. How you tell you this? 0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.400 That the Okay? So the chocolate ram was running with 0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.960 another mature ram had a giant chunk missing out of 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:05.400 his Yeah, like just very identifiable. So we named him 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:11.280 Chocolate and Chip's cute. That's what I thought. We had 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.360 all kinds of names. We also started calling the big 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.560 one Willy Wonka and we're gonna go find him at 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:17.480 the chocolate factory. And I happened to be running with 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:22.440 a photographer named Charlie. So it's just really all you know, 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.320 any who. Uh. At that point, my mind's like, dude, 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.600 that's it, that he's the that's the chocolate Ram. You 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:31.480 need to kill him. And that kind of just went 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.960 into like automode, and it was I wish we could 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:41.000 have filmed that, uh because the next like two minutes 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:42.840 that it took once, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.560 kill him. It was quite comical. So I go to 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:50.600 jack around in and I have my mag just packed full, 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.000 and sometimes I feel like when it's packed full, it 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:54.880 just they don't want to feed quite right. And I'm 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.440 I think I jacked it too slow instead of just 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.360 like you know, really running the action. And so I 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.480 get the one halfway in, but then the one underneath 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:05.400 it was trying to like climb in there with it, 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.960 and I'm like that, and so I just dropped the 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.000 mag you know, and just get all the bullets out 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.080 of there. So then I pitched like whatever they holds 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:13.960 four bullets, I think, off to my right, you know, 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.600 in the rocks, and man, I'm on this rock that's 0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.360 like it's a big rock. It's like I don't know 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.320 half our table here, you know, it's like two by 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.400 four ft, but it's kind of sloped to pitch against 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.680 the hill and I'm trying to get my bipod on it, 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.600 and I actually had to come back on it so 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.360 that the bipod could drop lower, you know, but my 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.680 gun could still clear the top edge of the rock. 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.959 My feet are way above my head the position I'm 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:41.800 trying to get myself into, so I'm trying to like 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.440 half like use my backpack to like support my ribs, 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.200 but have it so that it's supporting my rear of 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:52.240 my gun too. And all week we've been brushing, busting 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.720 so much brush that every couple of days I was 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.240 like clearing out my chamber and my barrel because I 0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.200 just felt like pine needles and stuff would drop been 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.440 in there. So when I put a bullet back in, 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.920 I now go to close it. I feel it gets 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.239 kind of sticky, and I'm like, oh, it's not going 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:08.920 to close all the way, you know, So I pull 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.400 the bolt back real quick. I try just to like 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.160 you know, fingernail that cartridge, and it's like stuck like 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.720 son of a bit, you know. So I got the 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.320 bench made out, I'm trying to like, you know, wiggle it. 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.760 I'm just turning the gun, you know, right side up, 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.600 drop the bolt out, and banging on the recoil patch, 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:27.040 trying to get this thing to come out because I 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.920 don't want to fire it. Thinking that they're oh man, 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.760 it's like autopilot. And then just like full on flustered, 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:37.080 and uh, Charlie's like up the hill a little way. 0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:39.480 So you know, I think he was excited to about it. 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.240 He just melted into the rocks. And I didn't want 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.600 to either help or make the situation worse. But it's 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.360 been really nice to have someone there to be like, dude, 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:53.000 just chill out for a second. So the thing finally 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.719 falls out, you know, and and I sit there and 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.280 take the bolt out, flip the gun backwards, put a 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.760 big puff of air through it, like blow whatever was 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.560 in there out of there, put my gun back together, 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.440 and every you know, ten seconds, some glass and just 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.600 to make sure that the herd's not running off, and uh, 0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.560 get all set up. I just decided to put one 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:20.399 bullet in there, right and I'm like, okay, just take 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.440 a deep breath. And when he gives you like a 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:27.360 good bronze side shot, you know, it's like, of course, 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:29.600 he just like immediately gives me a broadside shot. There 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.440 was no like breathe into it. It was just like 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:36.600 there's a broadside shop. But I did range and I 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.000 did dial, which was really sweet. It was soon or 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.560 twenty yards. I think I had to dial either. I 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.439 think it was four m A. It was really nice, 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.480 just a hold dead on um. But it was funny 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.600 that I only had one bullet in because he kind 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.160 of spins. I get on him pretty quickly again, like 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.560 in seconds, and he's now he's facing me, and I'm 0:34:55.560 --> 0:35:00.160 not seeing blood. I can't see him wobbling and like, 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:04.520 you better shoot him again. Click because I had cycled, 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.080 you know, there wasn't another bullet in there, and right 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.480 when I clicked clicked it, he started tumbling down the hill. 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:17.120 Huh yeah, And then it was solid thirty minutes and 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:23.440 very emotional phone calls and uh celebration, you know, calling 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.440 the wife. But did you have like a little like 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.920 because he tumbles away from you, right, yeah, kind of 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.560 like did I make the right decision parallel or you 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.480 were already like now you mean to make the right 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.000 decision on shooting him, right, because not like you're once 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:42.520 in lifetime hunts over. Oh yeah for sure. Now I 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:47.719 was fourteen days into it, and so no, you're right. 0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:51.360 I mean it's totally bittersweet, man, Like you're like because 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.359 then you're just like looking around, You're like I might 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.840 not stand on this mountain ever again in my life. 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.239 You know what's gonna take me to twelve and a 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.120 half thousand feet again, you know, in these beautiful Colorado mountains, 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.160 and uh, it's bitter, sweet man, no doubt about it. 0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.440 In general, I want to touch on this. You probably 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.399 felt it this summer, you know, going on in your 0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.920 first dollar sheep hunt I assume was your first one. 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.680 But just like the pressure from the moment we were 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.560 all sitting in the airport together when I got the 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.799 phone call from hunting Full and They're like, you've got 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:23.040 a sheep tag, and like from that moment, that pressure 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.480 mounts and it's you know, I thought it'll kind of 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.640 go away once I'm in the field and I'm I'm 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.080 in the hunt, but it doesn't. It might change, but 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.399 it's still there. And so in a way, like killing him, 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.759 all of a sudden, the pressure is gone. Right, You're 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:39.800 not You're no longer a guy with the sheep tag. 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.839 You're just another hunter that now has an elk tag 0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:44.839 in a bear tag in their pocket. And it's kind 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.279 it's kind of nice, but you do become a guy 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.320 with the sheep. You do become a guy with the sheep. 0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:53.000 Instead of a tag, you have v tag and there's 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.959 a differenceround and so much advice, good advice that comes through, 0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.920 but pressure about finding the right one and if you're 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.399 don even find one or be successful, you know, and sure, 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.200 I'm lucky to have a job. That's like, yeah, in 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.600 seasons a month long, don't take the whole month. But 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:17.680 if you really probably because I don't know, Mils lengthy. 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:22.000 My my gal is awesome and she's you know, happy 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.399 to see me go on big adventures like this, but 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:27.520 you know, it's a that's a long time to take. 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.200 So you know, looking back on it, I'd say that 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.160 it all happened just right, you know, two weeks of 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:38.360 spending man unreal weather like seventy degree highs forty degree nights. 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:41.759 We were packing a tarp and didn't even set it 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.040 up half the time. We would just sleep under the stars, 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:47.160 you know. And that's I kept telling Charlie, who's for him. 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.319 It was his first time ever in any kind of 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:53.520 alpine country, so he's just blown away by the whole thing, 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.080 you know, and I'm like, yeah, usually when you're up 0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.080 here at eleven thousand plus, it's like when you see 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.240 the clouds starting to form and build. At eleven am, 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.120 You're like, okay, we have two hours and then we 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.160 need to be descending. And you know, because anybody has 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:11.840 spent an afternoon in a thundershower at eleven thousand feet plus, 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.200 nobody wants to do that again. You're looking like down 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.279 at the lightning. Oh it sucks. Yeah, and when the 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:21.600 thunder booms, it's like it consumes you. You know. But 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.239 we had zero I mean we had like literally ten 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:29.000 rain drops, a few clouds here and there. Um. Yeah. 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.839 When I when I reset for the final push in there, 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:33.800 which only actually ended up being a couple of nights, 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.799 but I only went in with a bass layer and 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.520 my uncompagret puffy. That was it for top layers. No 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.640 rain jacket, no mid layer. The only thing I've been 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.360 used my mid layer force to build my little pillow 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.080 like I like to do. And I'm like, I can 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.400 survive without that, you know, no gloves, no beanies, just 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:57.400 using the hood on the jacket. You know. Um, super nice. 0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:02.520 It's America for you, is I think they're doing that 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.880 in Tehran? It's perfect. Yeah, forty pound pack you know 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.000 when we were and that was with food in the 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:14.960 end with five days of food. That's great. Um, it's beautiful. Yeah, 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.160 it's quite the experience. I'm on a high. I'm on 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:24.959 like a sheep conservation high, coincidentally, which would be leading 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:29.040 me to believe it won't last. Yeah. Well no, I 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.120 did a thing called the Landmark Form, which I think 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.040 I've mentioned to you and I was a kid. Yeah, 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:39.840 you know about landmark landmark? Yeah? Was it good for you? Interesting? 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.239 We'll have to discuss that. It's a it's a you 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:47.880 know Tony Robbins. Oh, it's like it's a you know 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.040 Tom Robbins itself. You don't know Tony Robbins with the 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.640 motivations of it. Um. So it's kind of like that 0:39:55.280 --> 0:40:01.719 there's a there's a choreographer something named that too, might be. 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.640 I didn't know a bottom until zero when zero Dark 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.919 thirty came out. They're riding a helicopter and someone asked 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.080 someone what he's listening to, says Tony Robbins. I thought 0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.120 he's listening to like a choreographer. Then I looked it 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:17.080 up realized that it's a motivational dude. Yes, So when 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.080 you go do like a landmark form, thing at least 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:20.560 is how it was for me. You go there for 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:22.640 like a weekend, and you leave there and you're like 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:24.359 in a conk or the world, you know, and you're 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.239 with a group of people that are all like very 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.200 positive thinking at that point. But as you go back 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:32.600 to the regular world and then regular you know, downers 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.920 of the world, it kind of it slowly fades away. 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.040 So that's where I feel like I'm at with the 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:43.399 sheep on. But um coincidentally that the town nearby where 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.160 I was at is doing a big media project around uh, 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.359 the sheep that live in and amongst them, you know, 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.279 propagating them, keeping them around for the future. They've they 0:40:56.320 --> 0:41:00.160 see challenges like a lot of you know, western town, 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:04.359 lack of winter range, too much development, et cetera. So 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.239 they contacted me to get a interview for the like 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.359 the hundreds perspective, which was great and I was, you know, happy, 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:15.480 happy to help out. That leads into we packed out 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:20.200 the whole cape on this animal and a sense of 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:24.560 great segue coming good from me or from you know, 0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:29.040 I feel like you're building one up right my original plan. 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.399 You get you picking up on a Jordan's I don't 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:37.400 think so he's laying groundwork for big segue. I'm not 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:42.880 gonna let you guys down. It ain't about rattlers. My 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.840 original plan with that we packed out the whole hide 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.480 and Charlie and I are now experts in uh in 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:53.680 full sheep capes. But I'm just gonna yarrow the head 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.080 because I've said this before and it just happened when Tracy, 0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.719 our colleague, was in here. People look at that thing 0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.560 and they're like, Wow, that's cool, you know. I'm like, yeah, 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.279 pick it up. And when every it's it hasn't failed yet. 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.200 When someone picks that thing up, they are in utter 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.960 awe and then they feel the denseness and they the 0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:15.239 weight of it all. So anyways, I just want to 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.520 have a euro amount. You can pass it, but you 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:19.640 want to be able to pass it around. Yeah. Through 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:21.520 the little bit of sheep hunting they have done of 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:26.879 come to know that sheepies are highly valuable. Once they're tan, 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.200 you're allowed to sell them. I'm guessing that people buy 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.520 them because there's got messed up because they're sheep tumbled 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:35.759 a thousand feet off a mountain or whatever. Someone cut 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:37.200 a bunch of holes in it as they're trying to 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.680 make the hide, maybe the hair slip because you know, 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.560 who knows whatever, but that like you can get thousands 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.560 of dollars sometimes with very little effort. I sold a 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.719 doll cape for a thousand bucks or something like that. 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:50.719 We sold a big orang cape. We only called one 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.160 person sold the Bighorn Cape for six hundred bucks and 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:57.399 that was like one phone call and no actually looking 0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:00.320 for a purchaser. Yeah. So I was thinking if first 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.759 well let's just tan it and then something we'll put 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:08.400 it on them old meat Eater auction, auction House of 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:12.799 Bodities and uh talking to Garrett Long and talking to 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:17.799 uh the tax nermists, They're like, you know, we might 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:19.520 be able to raise a little bit more money. We 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.360 just turn it into a full sheet mountain to a replica, 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:26.399 and I feel like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same one. 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.120 It's very happy with us, mentioning him in the last 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:34.760 podcast John Hayes Tex number tax rmy Yeah, and uh, anyway, 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.440 so we don't know exactly what's gonna happen yet with 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.279 that hide and all of it, but the plan is 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:45.000 to somehow sell it for as much money as we 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:49.320 can and then hopefully donated directly to like a wild sheep, 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:56.319 you know, either habitat or reintroduction, whatever it might be. Projects. 0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:01.600 They make casts, so they make like replicate casts and 0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.160 it's it's amazing, like the colors and everything. So anyways, 0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:07.080 get a replica made of it, get them stuffed with 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:20.600 the replica head on there and sell them. Uh, pointing 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.160 out the segwae thing. I'm gonna talk about that real quick. Okay, 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:30.120 uh oh another item in the Meat Eater Auction House 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:38.320 of Oddities. That's your segue. Yeah, it'll set up perfectly. Um. 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:41.759 Meat Eater Season ten, Part one is on Netflix now. 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.320 Starts out with I think the first episode is anelo 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:50.919 putting with Luke Hombs. So we're launching the Auction House 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:55.960 of Oodities, uh at the same time as the new 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:57.920 season comes up, right, because we've been talking about this 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.759 Auction House of Oddities for a long time. It's a 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:03.440 it's gonna be a rolling thing. And here's some of 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:05.719 the things that will go into the rig. So as 0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:10.040 the Auction House Ofbities, it's live now. The Auction House 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.680 Ofbalities is live now. Money raised for the Auction House 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:22.279 Ofbities we'll go into are like access Enhancement Initiative, what's 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.960 been called historically land Access Initiative the Land Act, not 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:29.080 Access Enhancement Initiative, the Land Access Initiative. We get there 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.799 both ways. I think either way it'll go into that 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:36.080 and that becomes a pool of funds that then CAL 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.759 will look at various projects and figure out what to 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.600 do with the pool of funds access initiative things. So 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:46.920 we've done the Shiloh Pon thing, UM done some stuff around, 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:51.120 raise some money recently in a different thing around supporting 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:56.680 our states, UM private land public Access program. We're gonna 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.560 raise a whole bunch of money with this thing. If 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.560 you go on the auction house. Now, Yannie's thing isn't 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.360 there yet. The sheep's out there. But we have a 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:07.560 signed guitar from Luke Combs, and Luke used the guitar 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:13.160 in concerts, right, So signed guitar from Luke Combs Country Star, 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:20.279 the giant Bucky Bowl. So, Mike Buck Bowden, who's been 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.799 on the show, been on this podcast, he was in 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.759 the Close Calls audio book, he's been on Me Eat 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.920 a couple of times. He made us a giant birch 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:36.360 burrel bowl. Um. That bowl is in the auctionalite of odities. 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:42.200 Right now, we have a bottle of skunk essence that 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.359 me and Seth extracted from skunks with a hyperdermic needle. 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:48.400 I wasn't gonna use it in an act of vengeance. 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:55.920 I haven't identified a target. So if you've identified Yanni 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:58.200 hasn't starting never mind, it's too late. You'll have to 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.799 be You'll have to be on it because right now 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.319 it's pinned to the outside of my garage. I had 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:06.399 in our guest house, but my wife could smell it there, 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:08.400 so I pinned it to the outside of my garage. 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.200 We're gonna rebottle it and you can buy ounce of 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:18.279 Pierre Montana skunk essence. UM. I bought a needle from 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:20.920 you know, like a syringe for injecting cattle. You know 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:24.720 what I'm talking about, Jordan Um. But instead of injecting something, 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:28.600 we took something. By the way, suck that skunk smell 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.480 right out of there. A meatcraft or knife. Would that 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:39.440 dude sell one on eBay f or we did a 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:41.520 We did a limited run knife of the bench made 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.520 called the meat craft, and there I don't know, people 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:46.000 complaining about how expensive they were, but some dude just 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:47.839 sold one on eBay and it had like forty one 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.319 bids and went for fifteen or sixteen hundred bucks. There's 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:53.480 something like it's crazy. He was excited to get the knife. 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.640 He had the knife, and then it was like, boy, 0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.600 I just have this nice knife sitting around I should 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:01.160 just try to get my money back out of it. 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.640 And then he felt so guilty with how high a 0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:09.359 price was. Right he wrote in a letter that you bad. 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:13.840 You wanted to donate the money. We talked about it 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:15.960 and feeling guilty, and then you wanted to donate a 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:18.080 bunch of the money to a conservation group was looking 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.080 for guidance on how to spend which I'll tell you 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:23.279 if that's not a good indication of the quality of 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:27.560 folks we have uh intermingling with us, so that I mean, 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:31.040 come on, those are awesome people. Also in the auction 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:34.520 house is the tale of Yanni's very first pheasant. If 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:37.719 you're a fly tire, just I don't think that that's 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.200 necessarily an old pheasant, because I only killed my first 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:45.080 peasant and two falls ago. Yeah, and whoever get whoever 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.200 buys that thing, you know you can check it out 0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:50.080 and put it on your wall off for a little bit, 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:51.880 but you should also tie some flies out of it. 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:55.120 I think press it to the front of your very 0:48:55.120 --> 0:49:03.080 own cowboy hat, you know. And there's the season ten package. 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:05.040 So if you if you watch the show the first 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:09.000 five episodes, which you're up now, we pulled items from 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.600 those episodes, okay, and it's in a package called the 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.719 Season ten package. In that string of episodes, you'll see 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:19.840 me and Yanni and Clay Newcomb hunting raccoons with the 0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:23.640 hound dogs Clay's dogs, and we get a raccoon val 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:30.000 raccoons and mngus. That raccoons hide is back from the tannery. 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:36.239 That very raccoon is in the season ten package. The 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:40.160 backpack I wear all throughout the stone graacier backpack I 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:43.239 wear all throughout the season is in the season ten package. 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:46.640 In the season I used to FHF bin no harnesses 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:48.880 a brown one in a blaze orange one, both of 0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:53.120 their those are in the season ten package. Clay Newcombs 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:58.359 ROSSI four ten wild West six Shooter four ten gun 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.800 I thinks what they call it is in the season 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:04.480 ten package. You'll see Clay shoot a squirrel off his 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:09.800 mule with that gun. Clay's Ratlin antlers from the Texas 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:14.160 Deer episode is in the package. I actually broke a 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:15.960 time off. If you're watching the show, you can see 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:19.600 the time fly off into the bushes. Those ratlin antlers 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.120 are in there, and we talked about those rattling antlers. 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:27.080 And the antelope skull that I kill on the episode 0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:29.880 with Luke Combs is in the season ten package. And 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.480 you'll know it's guaranteed because it's a weird ass look 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:36.680 at antelope. So when you watch, it's like, that's a 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:39.480 weird antelope, and when you get the box you'll be like, 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.880 that's the same damn antelope. They didn't like slip some 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:44.560 the coon. I could see you being like, I don't know, man, 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:46.480 maybe they've pulled a fast one with the raccoon. But 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.680 I would look at bullet placement. The antelope skull is 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:52.680 dead nuts. No fast one. No, there's no fast one 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:55.279 anywhere in here. But there's no possibility of a fast one. 0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:59.319 I got you got my carving knives in there on 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:02.799 that list. They're not yeah, but they're down. It's it's 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:05.920 a long refreshes, it refreshes all the time. I think 0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:08.960 it's important to know that there's uh as current's notes 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:14.000 here say there's many auction phases. Yeah, so items go up, 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.040 they sit for two weeks, and then another block of 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.000 items goes up. We have original artwork, all kinds of 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:23.160 stuff coming up. We have stuff clear into December. This 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:28.480 is just like the initial thing, and then stuff comes in. 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:33.080 Peter Alonzo baseball player, He's sending in a bat and 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:37.840 a helmet signed, batted jersey signed. Some dudes from the 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:42.799 Pittsburgh Steelers are sending stuff signed Jersey. I have a 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.919 commissioned piece of artwork that I'm getting of wolves ripping 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:47.960 the guts out of a buffalo that's still standing in there. 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.640 And when that's done, a print will go into the 0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.600 auction house of oodities. But we also have original artwork. 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:58.080 Uh Kelsey Johnson original bighorn sheep painting that auto tickle 0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:01.920 Yanny's fancy. You know, I'm thinking I'm thinking about, you know, 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:06.840 people want to do uh mounts or replicas or whatever. 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:11.800 I'm thinking about asking her to paint it, yeah, or 0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.560 maybe just sketch it. Maybe just do like a black 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:16.360 and white of that ramp standing on the side of that. 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:17.920 Then we'll put a print of that in the auction 0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:20.560 house and maybe you on that rock with your gun 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:24.160 pointed in the sky, try and banging it live live 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:28.920 rounds laying next year. As for that guitar, here's a 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:30.879 quick He's not in the studio with us right now, 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:34.319 but um here here's a quick uh convo with Luke 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.080 about the guitar. Just so you know what you're getting 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.879 into when you go donate on this, Kayler, you tell 0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:42.800 everybody about the guitar. He man, we got some guitars 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:46.040 in my manager's office. When somebody calls, go in, rip 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:48.600 a couple of tunes on it, myself, sign it, send 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:51.640 it in. Uh So get away. Man. There you have 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:54.040 to go to the meat Eater auction house of Boys 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:57.719 and find a guitar been played by Luke holmbs up 0:52:57.719 --> 0:53:01.319 for auction now and remember the five dollars Neil and 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:05.360 Chester comes and plays the guitar too, sings some Chester 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:16.520 who who poo poo there it is I remember. When 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:20.560 the auction is closed, the winning bitter on Luke's guitar 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:24.759 can decide to kick in an extra five grand and 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:32.440 Chester the divester formally known as Chester the Tester, Chester, 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:39.080 the mole Lester, Chester, the investor who then divested and 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:43.640 became Chester the Divester. Chester will hand deliver the guitar 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.719 to your door and sing that crazy coyote song he's 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:51.600 always singing. Who Yep Woo Yep boo, and the cow 0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:54.759 Boys says, if that's not worth five grand, listen, it's 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.040 gonna be a quick trip. It's gonna be weird. It's 0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.640 gonna be weird for everybody. But Chester is gonna come 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:02.080 into your house. He's gonna sit down. You can have 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:04.480 any people you want to have over over. Chester will 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:08.839 sing that song, and the cole says, who You're gonna 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:11.839 have the nicest person in the world sitting at your house. 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.000 If you got dirty dishes in the sink, I guarantee 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:16.560 you'll do You'll probably do him. He's gonna walk out 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:18.000 of your house. He's gonna walk out of your life. 0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:20.359 He's gonna go back to the airport and go back 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:22.880 to where he came from. But you can you'll know 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:25.440 when he's coming. You can invite people over and Chester 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:32.600 will play Luke Combs guitar and that's not the that's 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:35.280 not the first time Chester has played one of loose guitars. 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.640 That's right. You will see in the season if you 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:42.720 haven't watched it already. That well, Luke played some music, 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:45.400 but a bunch of guys sat around playing Luke's guitars, 0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:53.560 and Chester did John Prine's Uh, cal you weren't there you? Yeah, 0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:57.400 we can't remember what it was. Fishing whistle, No it's 0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:04.360 um Oh shucks, Peabody's Coultrane. No, we'll come back to it, 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:09.319 finger finger picking song, he picks it. Oh, we'll come 0:55:09.360 --> 0:55:11.799 back to her. Phil You know what, let's find out 0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:13.520 what it is. We just plugged that song in, yeah, 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:15.960 and it plugged me in saying it like I've remembered gesture. 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:22.440 Hey everybody, this is Chester the Divestor, formerly known as 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:26.439 Chester the Investor, and this is the song It's all 0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:41.840 the Best by John Prine. Say you drive a Chevy, 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:49.280 Say you're driving Ford. Say you drive around this county. 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:55.360 You just get bored, Then you change your mind something 0:55:55.440 --> 0:56:05.480 else to do, Then your heart gets bull you change 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:24.960 It's man. Wish you happy, man, because I wish our 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:28.640 very own Samantha Bates declared Chester the nicest person in 0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:31.200 the world. I think that prompts me to wonder who 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:33.960 was second. I got to four and still hadn't made 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.080 the list and I gave up. I'm like, okay, but 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:40.360 who's the fourth nicest person that says that? Just like 0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:48.799 did I made the top three? I'm sorry. That's why 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:50.839 you have kids, at least for the first ten years 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:53.319 of their lives. They'll always give you that number one 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:56.400 spot on that subject. If you watch the new episodes 0:56:56.440 --> 0:57:00.680 and have a question about what you're seeing or about 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:02.880 Chester the Divester, that's the beast. I wish I had 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:05.719 thought of that. Who thought a Chester the Divester. That's 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:09.759 actually Phil Listen. I wish I could take credit. It 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:11.200 was not me. I don't know who. I mean, it 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.680 would have been bod Brand for you. I felt like 0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:15.920 we talked about that before I wrote it, But then 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.880 I was like, I thought that. I thought that it 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:21.600 was in my head. I thought Chester the Divester was 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.720 brand new. That's great. Uh. If you have questions about 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:29.960 what you see on the show, right in UM two 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:33.400 to our our our man Corey to reach him meat 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.480 Eater at the meat eater dot com. I don't know 0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:39.240 subject line, just put a question mark or something and 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:43.520 then we'll get to that question. Uh, Jordan's what do 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.440 you think about that auction house? It looks pretty stacked. 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:51.240 I like that. That should be a slogan for it. Stacked. 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:56.240 Yeah sounds good. Here's a crazy ask news story, Um Hanks, Joe, 0:57:56.280 --> 0:58:00.920 We're gonna get to you big time. I don't understand 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:05.040 this story. What about it? I just don't know, Like, 0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:09.040 I don't get it. So some guys just killed at 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:13.840 five inch alligator pounds Eagle Lake, close to the Mississippi 0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:21.040 Louisiana border. They bring it to a processor. Okay, processor 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:23.720 goes to butcher the gator. This processor always likes to 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:26.000 take a gander and see what is in the stomach. 0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:35.360 You following, kel, What are you doing something different? Are 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:39.920 you not entertained? He likes to look in the stomach contents. 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:46.240 Calory knows the story. Bone. He always finds bones, hair, feathers, 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:50.080 and he finds stones. But in this one he finds 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:55.800 some unusual stones. It just doesn't make sense. This alligator 0:58:55.920 --> 0:59:03.880 has in his stomach two stone projectile points. Well, no one, 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:08.240 they don't know that the other one is a projectile point. Yeah, 0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:15.960 but it's a sorry take away, Johnny, I was just 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:18.920 just adding a little bit. But yeah, I think it 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:22.000 makes total sense. Explain to me how that makes sense. 0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:26.840 Anthropologists estimates that that projectile points style was from five 0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:30.280 to six thousand years ago. Correct, And you should know 0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:35.520 that alligators don't live that long. But it says that 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:39.480 they he's got no pockets. When he finds that he's 0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:41.920 got no pockets, where else is he going to keep it? 0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.840 Maybe he was in the water bottom they of course 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:49.320 it was. But they take in rocks for the same 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:52.360 reason that birds do. If you read the whole article, right, 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:55.720 they use it to grind up well, and I got talking. 0:59:55.840 --> 1:00:00.520 Were you not entertained? Listen, man, you don't I think 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:02.720 that's true. No, I didn't have time to read the 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:10.360 whole article. I got talking about something. So I think 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:14.920 it's it's coincidental that he happened to grab. But it's 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:18.360 it's not so coincident with dental as because it might 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:20.400 happen to a chicken too, that they picked up like 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:23.120 a very small bird point right, and mistook it for 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:25.560 some small piece of gravel and put it in their gizzard. 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:34.280 But chicken only lives five years, right, alligators live? Come on, Oh, 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:36.720 I was even thinking longer, like some of these critters 1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:40.120 are really old. Yeah, the one in the one in 1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:44.280 Florida that they've been pumping up. I want to say 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:48.560 it was like forty something. So he is he has 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:53.720 ingested lots of rocks over the course of his life 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:55.160 or her life. I don't know if it was a 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:59.800 female um alligator, but uh so, you know, I don't 1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:01.560 know if it's hundreds or whatever, but like there's a 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:04.640 higher likelihood that he's going to have a projectile point 1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:08.760 is belly than a than than a chicken? Right Here's 1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:12.440 but it's still it's uncanny. It is there's two of them, 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:16.160 So you play like you're an alligator, okay, and you 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:18.600 walk out and go pick up a handful of rocks 1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:22.320 and then we'll check what you got. Okay. It's like, 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:24.440 what are the odds gonna be? Like, Oh, look I 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:30.600 picked up into the arrowhead. Yeah, it's uncanny. It's someone 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:33.640 canny in fact that we're covering it here today. Well, 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:36.680 it's really nuts that there's two of them. We hope 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:39.600 no one lied, but you know, you'd want to know 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:43.560 where he's hanging out Eagle Eagle Lake. I don't know 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:53.280 what the the piece of it's like a tear drop shape. 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:59.280 It's called a plummet, and uh scientists don't know exactly 1:01:59.280 --> 1:02:03.280 what purpose is served, which is interesting. Fficient sinker, that's 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:06.520 what it looks like. That's what you think. It's like 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:09.480 an ancient You got two holes in it, but the 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:13.640 holes don't go all the way through. It's very I 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:17.080 should have read that article. Interesting. Did I be doing 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:18.600 such a better job as a host right now? If 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:22.320 I'd read that article, I'd be tearing it up. I'd 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:24.080 be like, one would think it was efficient sinker, but 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:28.920 the holes don't go all the way through. Instead, I'm like, 1:02:28.960 --> 1:02:35.920 it's a fision sinker. Oh, you guys, remember what um 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:38.640 so a stomach rock, which is what we're talking about, 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:44.479 versus uh rock that's already been through the stomach, which 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:48.840 is called what it's gastro light or gastro lift. And 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:51.960 one one is currently in the stomach, well, the other 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:57.120 one is passed through the stea. Did you know that 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:59.360 from reading the article? No? I know. I knew that 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:01.680 because old outfit or buddy of mine and I'm always 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:09.360 talking about, had some gastro gastro lights. I can't remember 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:11.760 which one's which. That's the problem. It's like sleigh tights 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:19.360 of slag mites, man right exactly, like hanging right and 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:25.919 mites going up. So a rock that has passed through 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:30.120 the stomach is a gastro lift or gastro light I 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:33.520 can't remember, but yeah, that's what that's the name for him. 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:38.440 Great story, though I read it afterwards, I feel like 1:03:38.440 --> 1:03:42.120 I'm fairly checked out on it now. Yeah. So the 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:47.280 American alligator, Uh, there's some odd balls to this, but 1:03:47.480 --> 1:03:58.200 we're typically like a max of years yeah, yeah, but yeah, 1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:01.640 you know, one thing I kicked around was like we 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:05.080 always call them dinosaurs, right, it's like living dinosaurs, living 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:08.880 fossils whatever, and they like, yeah, they do exist in 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:12.880 the fossil record, but like the American alligator that was 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:15.960 here during the time of the dinosaurs was like thirty 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:23.720 five ft long. It was a little Differently do they do, 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:27.120 you know, if they travel far distances in their lifetime 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:31.960 or stay relatively local, because then maybe Steve will go 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:37.280 check out that water bottom. Yeah, no home bodies. Yeah, 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:41.760 you know, they moved with high water, so they dispersed 1:04:41.800 --> 1:04:46.280 like kind of similar to beavers Eagle Lake. Ye, see 1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:49.480 me run around the arrowhead and necklace even though you 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:52.600 know where I've been, I don't want those Meglodon teeth too, 1:04:54.680 --> 1:04:57.680 thank you. We covered I'm gonna try to do this 1:04:57.720 --> 1:05:01.240 one quick. We covered how like seeing orange surveyor's tape 1:05:01.240 --> 1:05:03.800 out in the woods and how it's I think it's unsightly, 1:05:04.000 --> 1:05:05.800 so we guys like tear it off and put in 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:07.840 your pocket. Got a couple of letters from people pointing 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:12.520 out why that's a stupid idea. A surveyor so someone 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:18.320 from the Forest Service, guy from the BLM talked about 1:05:18.440 --> 1:05:22.680 don't just indiscriminately ripped down surveyor's tape. It's often there 1:05:22.720 --> 1:05:26.840 because we're doing work. We're like marking timber, we're laying 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:30.360 out trail or corridors. We've paid people to go in 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:34.120 and place said orange tape. And you responded with, well 1:05:34.120 --> 1:05:39.160 that's not what I was talking about, and that yeah, 1:05:39.160 --> 1:05:43.600 I yeah, so stand cracted um. And then they also 1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:45.439 had some examples of when they've put up a bunch 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:47.440 of orange tape for a purpose and paid to get 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:48.760 it put there, and then they come back and it 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:51.160 is because someone done them the favor of taking it down. 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:56.280 So bear it at mine only if it leads to 1:05:56.320 --> 1:05:59.240 a wallow? Should you if it leads to a wallow, 1:05:59.480 --> 1:06:01.640 or you watch it for ten years and it sort 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:04.800 of starts to fade and turn white and drip onto 1:06:04.840 --> 1:06:10.000 the ground something. But then there's also apparently biodegradable flagging 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:15.040 tape yeah, which one person encourages folks to buy instead 1:06:15.080 --> 1:06:18.000 of the plastic. Way back in the hunter safety days, 1:06:18.000 --> 1:06:25.760 they always said consider using toilet paper for flagging because 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:29.000 then that that degrades over time. People like, no, why 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:33.640 would that guy poop up in that tree? Uh, Cal's 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:38.720 dog almost died? Talk about that call. So it's all 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:42.960 controversial and like, the more I read into it covers yes, 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:49.840 so like flat out from multiple sources, Oh, dogs don't 1:06:49.840 --> 1:06:53.040 die from rattlesnake bites. It's like, oh, it's an anomaly 1:06:53.400 --> 1:06:55.480 if a dog all my years of being VAT only 1:06:55.480 --> 1:06:57.120 had one dog die and that got bit right on 1:06:57.160 --> 1:07:02.280 the throat and it was an airway issue, not there's 1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:07.920 a swelling airway issue. And then um, the treatment side 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:14.840 of and venomation gets uh even gets into some controversy 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:20.320 as well. It's like anti venom and the production of 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:24.840 anti venom type products on the market are very limited 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:30.240 and they're very expensive and do they work? And it's 1:07:30.000 --> 1:07:33.160 it's been pretty fascinating studying up on this stuff because 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:36.520 it all comes down to these biological factors that like 1:07:36.600 --> 1:07:40.640 will never know. It's like the dog. So my dog, 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:43.040 for instance, I've been around a lot of dead and 1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:49.120 dying animals, and I'll tell you I was seeing many 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.640 signals and signs where I was like, Okay, prepare yourself, 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:56.400 this is this is, this is going this direction. I've 1:07:56.440 --> 1:07:59.800 seen kel lose a dog. Yeah, damn here, it's not 1:08:00.000 --> 1:08:02.880 it's not. I don't take it easy, and I'm assisty 1:08:02.920 --> 1:08:06.880 when it comes to those dogs. And um, so snort 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:12.680 got bit right on the ear, uh, which is uh, 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:15.120 it wasn't as bad as what's happening to it right now. 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:22.360 It was less traumatic. I'll take the rattles. It was 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:29.880 less traumatic. Um And uh So this dog made her 1:08:29.920 --> 1:08:32.720 biological system. She may be like a little more predisposed 1:08:32.760 --> 1:08:38.040 to react to anti coagulants, which rattlesnake venom contains an anticoagulant, 1:08:38.880 --> 1:08:43.800 and she bled profusely like it's a highly vascular area. 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:48.559 Ears bleed like crazy. But this like bled to the 1:08:48.560 --> 1:08:52.080 point where I had serious trouble stopping it bleeding out 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:54.240 of the fang holes. Yes, or did it like swell 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:56.200 up so much the blood was coming other places. Well, 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:59.000 eventually both of those things. But I mean, think of 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:03.320 how tiny rattlesnake fangs are. Like we're talking like little 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:12.439 tiny pin pricks. But the uh you know, necrotic uh 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:18.639 factors and venom uh made the meat around those little 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:23.920 tiny pin pricks start to deteriorate fast. And then the 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:30.439 swelling was almost instantaneous. And uh she started bleeding out 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:33.600 of another spot on her ear and developed like this 1:09:33.720 --> 1:09:38.080 giant puss pocket. And then the hair it was like 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:42.240 like actively falling, like actively falling off, like sping off 1:09:42.280 --> 1:09:45.479 her ear. And this is on what kind of amount 1:09:45.520 --> 1:09:50.960 of time. So she got bit just a little prior 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:56.120 to eleven am, and she ran back to me at 1:09:56.160 --> 1:09:59.880 heel and had one little drop of blood on her ear. 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:03.840 You didn't even know that she had been dead. I didn't. 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:07.439 I walked over to confirm that it was in fact 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:10.680 a rattlesnake, even though I was like, I know what 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:15.080 this is because you saw her ear bleeding. Yes, So 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:18.160 I was walking out. She was within my line of sight, 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:20.760 but I wasn't paying attention to her. I saw her 1:10:20.800 --> 1:10:24.120 turn go yep, oh, I see and come back to me, 1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:28.000 but yeah, in a very casual fashion. But the thing 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:31.759 is like I was well within even my poor hearing 1:10:31.800 --> 1:10:35.040 distance of the snake, and the snake hadn't rattled or 1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:37.320 anything like that, which kind of leads into this other 1:10:37.439 --> 1:10:45.280 conspiracy theory of rattlesnakes. It's like people are selectively harvesting 1:10:45.520 --> 1:10:49.920 snakes that rattle. So if you're an indiscriminate rattlesnake killer, 1:10:51.240 --> 1:10:54.799 you're finding snakes that rattle and then killing those snakes, 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:57.000 leaving the snakes that do not rattle, and they think 1:10:57.000 --> 1:11:01.280 they're driving natural selection. Yes, there's all sorts of stuff 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:03.040 out there. I would I would like you to take 1:11:03.040 --> 1:11:06.479 that one to half a finger. I will half finger 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:08.439 will say like, it don't quite work that way. I 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:11.400 will tell you. I will tell you man. There's there's 1:11:11.720 --> 1:11:13.880 an endless amount of people that care about their dogs. 1:11:14.600 --> 1:11:16.599 Um so there's a lot of service to be done 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:19.559 on the house and wives of this stuff. I don't 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:22.360 want to keep a pamphlet be like, so your dog 1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:24.640 up bit by rattlesnake? Yeah? Can I interest you in 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:31.479 a pamphlet? Because people love pamphlets. Um, So you started 1:11:31.520 --> 1:11:37.040 swelling up what you do or the standard operating procedure 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:44.320 for a rattlesnake bite victim is make them calm, reduce 1:11:44.400 --> 1:11:48.759 the heart rate. Ideally you're gonna have that bite area 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:52.840 below the heart. Um, and and like go ahead and 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:57.360 use are below the heart, below the heart so it's 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:01.600 not like you're the R E. S T type of 1:12:01.680 --> 1:12:07.479 acronym or rice rather rest ice compression elevation. Um. Yeah, 1:12:07.520 --> 1:12:11.840 no one ever tells you to lower something down right, right, 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:17.240 So you want to like use gravity to keep uh 1:12:17.400 --> 1:12:23.000 the venom far from the heart and the really yeah, 1:12:23.280 --> 1:12:27.760 so did you cut an axe and suck the venom out? Kal? No? No, 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:29.760 I didn't. I mean part of me was like, do 1:12:29.880 --> 1:12:32.400 I just go full western here and cut this ear 1:12:32.439 --> 1:12:38.840 off right now? Um? But then I determined that if 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:41.400 the dog is going to die, I'd much rather here 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:44.559 think that uh it was the snake that killed her 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:50.000 than me. Yeah, she'd go to the gravy and like that. Friends, 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:55.280 we had a good thing going. Um. So yeah, so 1:12:55.400 --> 1:12:57.439 it took nine hours to get her to the vat 1:12:58.000 --> 1:13:01.000 and because you were away the hell yeah way, I 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:03.639 mean way the way the hell I mean like gates 1:13:03.760 --> 1:13:07.400 and flat tires and busted trailers and all this like 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:11.920 horrible comedy of errors that just like you know and 1:13:12.080 --> 1:13:14.160 just feel guilty because you know it's your job to 1:13:14.200 --> 1:13:18.760 take care of these things. So by the time she 1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:23.320 got to actual medical care, she had kind of gone 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:26.960 through these spells of being like very much not okay, 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:33.000 two oh oh, the dog's gotta acting fine too, then 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:36.320 very much not like oh, I recognize this, this isn't good. 1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:41.840 So then um, ultimately, how I got the bleeding to 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:48.040 like subside a little bit is I got a a 1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:50.840 quick clot package like Doug that that was like my 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:54.800 last thing. I used every bit of material in my 1:13:54.880 --> 1:14:00.800 first aid kit and uh and got that like plastered 1:14:00.840 --> 1:14:05.800 to her ear, her ear plastered to her head. Ah, 1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:09.040 And keep in mind, like that ear is like if 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:11.720 you if you like waved a feather on that thing, 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:15.920 that dog would like scream as if she was being skewered. 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:23.080 And it was just hor endous deal. But we had 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:26.280 this situation where she was like kind of going into shock. 1:14:27.280 --> 1:14:32.720 So UH had a super highly elevated heart rate, had 1:14:32.800 --> 1:14:39.960 lost a bunch of blood. The her overall ability to coagulate. 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:43.120 Her blood's ability to coagulate was basically like not existing 1:14:43.240 --> 1:14:48.320 at that point and then like things just kind of 1:14:48.320 --> 1:14:53.519 got more complicated. We were nine plus hours out from 1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:56.320 when she got hit by the snake. A lot of 1:14:56.320 --> 1:14:58.320 folks that you talked to, you say, like an event 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:01.800 AND's the most effe acted within two hours? And then 1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:06.720 you have this like law diminishing returns and it's very 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:12.799 expensive stuff. Um, and a dog this size, she's forty 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:15.920 seven pounds. She she probably would have been hit with 1:15:15.960 --> 1:15:20.519 like four doses of antivenom and their four hundred and 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:23.479 the type that she had is not like the crazy 1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:27.200 expensive stuff and it's still four hundred and some dollars 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:32.200 a bag. So this is ivy um solution that's that's 1:15:32.280 --> 1:15:35.519 pre frozen. So we kind of have this this talk 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:39.160 of like should she actually get this stuff? It's like 1:15:39.360 --> 1:15:45.120 hard to get some years. It's just like non existent. Um. 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:47.760 It's it can be kind of controversial because it's like 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:53.160 places that have money, can you get it? Um? Because 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:55.599 you know, but also it's like a supply and demand 1:15:55.600 --> 1:15:57.280 thing too. It's like places that don't have a lot 1:15:57.280 --> 1:15:58.800 of money probably don't have a lot of people that 1:15:58.840 --> 1:16:02.840 are going to pay for it anyway. UM. And so 1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:06.120 you know, I got her up to sun Valley Animal 1:16:06.160 --> 1:16:11.160 Hospital in in Hailey, Idaho, where my previous dog that 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:14.280 you mentioned, the big Fish, received care and I really 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:17.599 liked those folks, so UM got her up there after 1:16:17.640 --> 1:16:21.200 calling going through towns and calling that offices and having 1:16:21.240 --> 1:16:25.000 people be like nope, don't bring her here, because I 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:29.800 was just like, yeah, doctors went home. Really well, I 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:31.840 understand why would they not want the dog in there? 1:16:32.040 --> 1:16:34.760 I just don't. I don't know. I do not know. 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:37.960 So you're like, my dog got bit by rattlesnake, it 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:43.160 might be dying, and they'd say yep, they're like, oh sorry, 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:46.800 it's so weird, like too much for them to deal with, 1:16:47.040 --> 1:16:48.840 too much for them to deal with too late in 1:16:48.840 --> 1:16:52.760 the day, like they must not take like whatever the 1:16:52.800 --> 1:16:58.000 Hippocratic oath is or something for dog people man um, 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:01.360 And but I mean also keep mind, like there's a 1:17:01.360 --> 1:17:02.720 lot of folks that I've talked to you here like 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:06.439 oh yeah, dogs don't die from from rattlesnake bites. Right, 1:17:07.160 --> 1:17:09.320 It's like, oh, well, overblown. And I bumped into a 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:13.240 cowboy on the way out, super nice dude who's like, hey, 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:15.479 how's going because I told you we trespassed through this 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:19.920 ranch to do that sheep hunt and uh, so, like 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:22.280 I felt obligated to stop and talk to this guy, 1:17:22.320 --> 1:17:24.439 even though was the last thing I wanted to do. Like, hey, 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:26.760 dog got bit by rattlesnake. He's like, oh, yeah, one 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:30.000 of my dogs got bit earlier this year. Um god, 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:32.120 I wish I could remember the exact words he used, 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:36.360 but they were fantastic. But little cow dog about the 1:17:36.400 --> 1:17:40.760 size of Snort anyway, got bit on the leg um, which, 1:17:40.800 --> 1:17:42.600 as he can imagine, the legs a lot easier to 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:47.960 keep below the heart than the ear is. And uh, 1:17:48.120 --> 1:17:52.880 he's like, yeah, I got real serene for a while 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:56.519 or something like that was interesting choice of words. But 1:17:56.560 --> 1:18:00.240 the dog got real, real mellow for a while. Then 1:18:00.280 --> 1:18:03.840 she lost a bunch of flesh, but now she's fine, 1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:07.000 you know. And that he didn't even consider trying to 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:08.840 get that dog all the way out of there to 1:18:08.880 --> 1:18:14.040 a vet. Um, and that that does happen quite a bit. Um, 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:16.800 And everybody thinks they're dogs super special. I obviously think 1:18:16.840 --> 1:18:19.200 this dog is very special, but from what I saw 1:18:20.200 --> 1:18:26.479 special come on, so uh, I gotta take Snort home 1:18:26.560 --> 1:18:31.120 with an ivy bag full of fluids, uh, and my 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:34.040 my place and catch him was vacant at the time, 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:36.080 so I gotta run up there and camp out on 1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:38.800 the floor, which is exactly how I moved into the 1:18:38.800 --> 1:18:42.400 police I would have slept at the bat. I was like, Oh, 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:45.679 here's the deal. If you guys aren't gonna monitor overnight, 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:49.120 I will. Um. So, but they sent me home with 1:18:49.160 --> 1:18:52.479 an ivy bag, gave me the MA math on what 1:18:52.520 --> 1:18:54.800 they wanted with the anti venom stuff in it. Not 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:56.920 with anti venom at that point, because like we have 1:18:57.040 --> 1:19:01.519 this talk and there's this discussion of where she's at, 1:19:01.560 --> 1:19:04.519 like near shock. The number one thing that we need 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:08.160 to do is reduce your heart rate. There are some 1:19:08.240 --> 1:19:12.760 side effects that are possible with anti venom, and it 1:19:12.800 --> 1:19:16.519 could be negative enough to kill the dog. In the 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:21.400 state that she's in. It's possible. Um. And then we 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:26.960 had just like this horrible night where I was trying 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.200 everything I could to make the dog comfortable, the dogs 1:19:29.240 --> 1:19:33.719 like very much uncomfortable. UM doing like a lot of 1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:37.160 again like dying dead dog, things like trying to get 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:41.320 up and move and then quitting and then like oh, 1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:45.719 remembering that it had to be somewhere and then quitting 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:50.760 and all these things. So eventually I unhooked her from 1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:54.040 the ivy and she just crawled out laid on my 1:19:54.160 --> 1:19:59.080 chest and I was like, all right, like this is 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:00.400 the way you want to go out, This way I 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:05.760 want to go out type of thing. And we both 1:20:05.760 --> 1:20:08.280 slept for like an hour and a half. And at 1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:11.639 this point, her head is swollen like all the way, 1:20:12.160 --> 1:20:16.200 like one eye is totally swollen over. Um. She's in 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:18.719 a lot of pain, a lot of discomfort. Her neck 1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:22.800 is fully swollen down into her chest, and then anywhere 1:20:22.840 --> 1:20:25.479 where that adema is where that swelling is is also 1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:31.400 very very sore like, and she's like screams to the 1:20:31.439 --> 1:20:35.879 touch of it, and uh yeah, it was just just crappy. 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:41.800 But then I get up and the folks at the 1:20:41.840 --> 1:20:45.559 vet office were awesome and they're like, yeah, we just 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:50.120 just come in at eight am, so brought her in 1:20:50.400 --> 1:20:52.160 and and then they gave me their phone numbers too. 1:20:52.200 --> 1:20:54.760 They're like, yeah, check her heart rate every hour and 1:20:54.760 --> 1:20:58.640 if it gets if it hits two, call me and 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:01.160 we'll we'll come down and see what we can do 1:21:01.320 --> 1:21:05.280 type of thing. And so, you know, dogs have fast 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:10.160 heart rate and and I'm digging around for femeral artery 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:15.639 trying to get her pulse and it's just like very 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:19.080 feathery and just like not a good not a good 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:23.240 strong feel to it, and it's just ripping. And so 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:27.200 I'm spending like forty minutes checking the pulse right because 1:21:27.200 --> 1:21:30.479 I'm like trying to do averages to see like where 1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:36.200 we're ending up, and uh eventually get her down to 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:39.840 the vat they have. It is the busiest VETS office 1:21:39.840 --> 1:21:44.759 you've ever seen. There's people freaking everywhere. It's super busy, 1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:47.719 and they basically just like clear us out a spot 1:21:47.840 --> 1:21:50.880 in the middle of like this all purpose room where 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:54.719 it's like business administration going on. In this corner, UH 1:21:55.240 --> 1:22:00.360 docs writing notes on there animal patients, in this owner 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:05.400 there's a little uh clinic table and then like snort, 1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:10.800 and I just sitting there and every twenty minutes somebody 1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:15.480 swings in there like Okay, how are we doing? And um, 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:18.800 her body is not absorbing any of those fluids. She's 1:22:18.840 --> 1:22:22.879 not really drinking, she's really not want to eat anything. 1:22:23.520 --> 1:22:26.200 She's not she's got no outs, you know, No, she's 1:22:26.240 --> 1:22:29.120 not pn she's not poop on even though like they 1:22:29.240 --> 1:22:31.759 like ultrasound or bladder and she's like, yeah, she should 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:35.120 really want to pee um to the point where they 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:38.160 were gonna try to catheterize her, but they didn't want to, 1:22:38.560 --> 1:22:42.760 you know, like that's not a painless process, and but 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:45.599 they can't put her under because that could kill her too. 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:52.600 At that point, and then they're they're constantly like analyzing 1:22:52.600 --> 1:22:57.920 her blood and what was really really wild is her 1:22:58.000 --> 1:23:02.960 blood becomes so protein to efficient that it's actually like 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:09.400 sucking the protein out of her muscles. And so it 1:23:09.560 --> 1:23:12.840 is just the wildest thing man. In In twenty four hours, 1:23:14.240 --> 1:23:18.759 she has like lost noticeable muscle mass around her hips 1:23:19.680 --> 1:23:22.519 and it's and she's like a bony you know, like 1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:27.840 looks like a neglected dog and um. And at that point, 1:23:29.080 --> 1:23:32.080 the doc, uh, because as you guys know, I like 1:23:32.160 --> 1:23:34.960 to ask a lot of questions. The doc comes in 1:23:35.240 --> 1:23:41.400 and she's like, hey, I researched this study on otters 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:49.160 mustelids where they found uh, you know, benefits to anti 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:53.040 venom out to the twenty four hour period. She's like, 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:54.679 I think we have to try it at this point 1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:59.719 because her blood is just like not good and again, 1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:02.240 like her bodies not absorbing any of the fluids in 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:04.960 the in the ivy, so like all the things, and 1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:07.080 she won't eat and drink and all the stuff, so 1:24:07.960 --> 1:24:11.880 nothing's really going our way. Um, so I'm like, yeah, 1:24:12.080 --> 1:24:16.719 I don't know, let's give it a shot. And so 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:21.000 it was just really really wild that one bag of 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:27.960 anti venom um you could kind of see like almost 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:35.320 almost immediate effects. And it was really funny, like all 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:38.160 the people at the vet clinic would like keep bringing 1:24:38.200 --> 1:24:41.200 by treats, like different dog treats, so we had like 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:45.560 cat food and cat treats and super fancy like paleo 1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:50.439 dog treats, and oh you know, down to like just 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:55.000 fat you know, like beef trim fat dog you know, 1:24:55.080 --> 1:24:58.280 like canned dog food stuff all the things, and everybody 1:24:58.280 --> 1:25:00.439 would be like, well, maybe she'll like that, and maybe 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:02.559 she'll like this, and the dogs like not into any 1:25:02.640 --> 1:25:05.360 of it, and then she starts like eating a little bit, 1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:09.400 and then you could kind of trigger with some Pavlovian 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:12.519 type responses, so like if you drop dog food on 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:14.360 the floor and your dogs like, oh, I gotta get that. 1:25:15.680 --> 1:25:18.360 So I could like drop some dog food in front 1:25:18.360 --> 1:25:20.439 of her and be like tink tink tink on the 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:22.880 table and she'd be like ah and eat like a 1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:25.920 piece of kibble. It'd be like a piece of kibble 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:29.760 and a piece of kibble. So then um, yeah, she 1:25:29.760 --> 1:25:33.879 started kind of coming around on that stuff. And again 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:41.120 like it's really wild. So she got bitten. Probably she 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:44.320 got bitten by a great Basin rattlesnake, which the state 1:25:44.320 --> 1:25:46.840 of Idaho doesn't even recognize as like the snake for 1:25:46.880 --> 1:25:50.880 that region. But and and like the research that I did, 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:55.519 you know, it was really like surveys from as far 1:25:55.560 --> 1:25:59.719 as rattlesnakes go. And and talking with Dr Bob Reid, 1:26:00.160 --> 1:26:03.599 who we've had on the show, Um, he's like, yeah, 1:26:03.680 --> 1:26:06.719 that's what those surveys would have set because we weren't 1:26:06.800 --> 1:26:11.160 quite into dividing out what rattlesnake is what at that point. 1:26:11.880 --> 1:26:15.760 And um, so the anti venom that she got isn't 1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:22.600 even based off of the venom that she received, but 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:25.920 like from what I saw, like that's the thing that 1:26:26.000 --> 1:26:30.200 like turned things around. Um, but that's you know, it's 1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:35.000 like a generalized serum basically, like you take this very 1:26:35.240 --> 1:26:37.559 general venom and this very general venom from these two 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:40.639 different snakes, and then you combine them in a sheep, 1:26:41.160 --> 1:26:43.439 and then you take the antibodies that that sheep makes, 1:26:44.000 --> 1:26:47.960 and then you create anti venom off those antibodies. But 1:26:50.520 --> 1:26:55.880 all that was just yeah, incredibly interesting and and uh, 1:26:56.160 --> 1:26:58.600 you know, it's like we had like this monumentous occasion 1:26:58.680 --> 1:27:04.519 when like myself and this vet tech Sarah walked the 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:08.040 dog around and all of a sudden she peed and 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:10.320 pete and pete and pete and bed and it was 1:27:10.360 --> 1:27:13.439 like a holy sh it moment, you know. I was like, 1:27:13.479 --> 1:27:19.200 oh my God, thank God, like something good happened, you know. 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:22.240 And then yeah, just like lots of rest, and then 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:25.720 it was like a holy ship she ate something like voluntarily, 1:27:26.439 --> 1:27:30.120 and then um, it was just like this really wild 1:27:31.400 --> 1:27:37.080 recovery scene of like she's doing better than expected after 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:42.680 doing worse than expected for like this big crash. And 1:27:42.720 --> 1:27:46.320 then it was like, okay, now we can worry about 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:49.800 her ear, like the actual site of the women, and 1:27:49.840 --> 1:27:51.880 like it was like this attitude of like, boy, it 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:53.439 would be great to save the ear, but if we don't, 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:57.160 who cares. She's got to And then one of the 1:27:57.240 --> 1:28:01.080 vets took took a look like this very seasoned that 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:04.040 takes a look at it, and he's like, just cut 1:28:04.080 --> 1:28:09.840 it off. Just it's like, well, you know, there's a 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:12.439 lot of good like I think there's some good stuff there. 1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:15.439 And keep in mind it. I mean it's black, like 1:28:15.479 --> 1:28:20.560 the ear is black. It's like crispy on the edges. Um, 1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:23.639 it's got this huge puss fluid pocket in the middle 1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:28.840 of it. Um. It's you know, like really black around 1:28:28.840 --> 1:28:32.360 the bite wounds, like if you touch it with a 1:28:32.360 --> 1:28:37.160 little antiseptic cloth, like skin and hairs like sluffing off 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:45.040 of it and h and the this vet Dr Heidi Wogue, 1:28:45.160 --> 1:28:49.759 who was awesome. Um, she's like, hey, you know there's 1:28:49.880 --> 1:28:54.120 there's some good meat here and stuff. The senior VT, 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:57.479 the most senior vets, like, you can take care of 1:28:57.479 --> 1:28:58.840 that thing for a month and we'll still have to 1:28:58.840 --> 1:29:01.959 cut it off. It would be good for the auctions 1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:09.680 of bodies. Man desiccated snort ear um, and uh. It 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:11.600 was like, so like you gotta be a nurse for 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:14.720 a month and you don't know. I'm like, yes, yeah, 1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:17.479 sign me up. So you're still in that phase right now, 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:20.360 Still in that phase right now, but like obviously you're 1:29:20.360 --> 1:29:24.280 gonna keep the ear now right Yeah, Like that the 1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:31.280 pus pockets started draining. Um. There's a de bridament is 1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:36.200 a super fancy word I learned for picking up scabs. Um. 1:29:36.240 --> 1:29:39.000 So there was a lot of like gently cleaning the 1:29:39.000 --> 1:29:45.200 ear and getting rid of like excess stuff and then um, yeah, 1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:48.360 I mean it looks awesome now and and it's just 1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:52.080 kind of like a big bald ear and uh bad 1:29:52.120 --> 1:29:55.160 dogs can't tell stories, everybody. Yeah, I'd be like, let 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:57.679 me tell you what this jackass put me through. Because 1:29:57.680 --> 1:29:59.880 the dog get to the part where like over here's 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:03.840 you talked about cutting its ear off right right, It's 1:30:03.880 --> 1:30:10.080 like and then guess what cal uh so much better 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:12.599 coming from the dog. So now like really right now, 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:17.280 I'm like the most worried about having a bald eared 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:21.920 Labrador Retriever and like freezing cold water and air tamps 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:25.320 in January, put a mitten on there, a whole ahead 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:29.160 mitten um which yeah, which all roads lead back to 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:31.760 Garrett Smith dirt Math. It was like, Hey, called this 1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:35.320 buddy mine and he's got this company called rex Specs, 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:40.480 and uh, I'm gonna get a set of hearing protection, 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:44.320 tactical hearing protection for her, which is like a head 1:30:44.400 --> 1:30:48.000 muff that has two big pads on it. And he 1:30:48.040 --> 1:30:50.880 said he can remove one of the pads for hearing 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:53.000 and I can keep the other one on there on 1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:55.799 the bad ear for installation. Yeah, that's good. I wouldn't 1:30:55.800 --> 1:30:57.000 thought of that. But yeah, if you go out and 1:30:57.080 --> 1:30:59.439 like you know, sub zero tamps, mad dogs, hear is 1:30:59.439 --> 1:31:02.000 gonna be cooked. Yeah, not cooked, the opposite of cooked, 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:07.240 exactly exactly. Yeah, that's kind of the the saga snort. 1:31:07.320 --> 1:31:10.400 And then I got a call from cal uh while 1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:11.760 this is all going on, and he just told me 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:15.920 to keep my mouth shut. Yeah, he's trying to control 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:21.120 a messaging. Yes, yes, you got like three podcasts out 1:31:21.120 --> 1:31:23.680 of it. Well, I got I got text messages from 1:31:23.720 --> 1:31:28.520 Steve that are like, hey, call me. Hey you alive? Hey, 1:31:28.640 --> 1:31:35.760 are you okay? Like, oh my god, it's a better call. Um. Yeah. 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:38.680 So but you know, all I've been talking about is 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:40.799 this dog, like going and hunting with this dog and stuff, 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:44.360 and so it was like, oh yeah, man, so but now, 1:31:44.720 --> 1:31:48.400 so we had like our first like serious training day yesterday, 1:31:48.680 --> 1:31:51.479 and I got back to um letting her know that 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:56.679 even though she's very special, that doesn't mean that she's 1:31:57.000 --> 1:32:01.040 uh not going to be disciplined. And then the day 1:32:01.040 --> 1:32:04.559 before that, we took a real long walk and she 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:10.240 found uh covey of three Hungarian partridge didn't have any 1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:12.000 shells in my gun for the first two birds that 1:32:12.040 --> 1:32:14.280 got up. Managed to get a shell in the chamber 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:17.960 for the third one and shot at uh and she 1:32:18.080 --> 1:32:20.679 retrieved it and that was our first bird of the year. 1:32:20.840 --> 1:32:36.839 So awesome, youth youth duck coming right up. Yes, yes, okay, 1:32:37.479 --> 1:32:43.320 Jordan's hi, Steve, Um, you've been bit by rattlesnak. Let's 1:32:43.320 --> 1:32:45.040 try not a good segue, I have not. But you 1:32:45.040 --> 1:32:47.680 grew up on a cattle ranch in Nebraska where there 1:32:47.680 --> 1:32:49.519 are a lot of rattlesnakes. Did you see a lot 1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:53.280 of Yeah? Yeah, I remember going like when I was little, 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:56.400 we'd go over there was a couple of dens that 1:32:56.439 --> 1:32:59.800 were in like along the creek bottom. There's like some 1:33:00.520 --> 1:33:05.160 pine trees, like rocky outcropping type stuff and like, and 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:07.920 there was a couple pretty established ins and I remember 1:33:07.920 --> 1:33:17.560 going in and um and uh, yeah. Dad would just 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:21.000 shoot him with like twenty two with the bird shop 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:27.320 at Oh. That was like in the springtime. And then 1:33:28.160 --> 1:33:30.760 I think, are you folks still in the cattle ranching business? Yeah, 1:33:30.800 --> 1:33:35.719 they're still there on the family places. Yeah, we'll go back, 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:39.960 I'll go back. I think like you become a cattle rancher. Yeah, 1:33:40.200 --> 1:33:43.920 I think, really, yeah I do. Yeah, yeah, I think so. 1:33:44.360 --> 1:33:47.080 Are your folks surprised he became a hunting guide? Yeah? 1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:50.759 I think my dad thought I was like maybe didn't 1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:53.040 know exactly what I was getting into. And when I 1:33:53.439 --> 1:33:55.280 think when I told him, like, hey, this is what 1:33:55.360 --> 1:33:58.360 I want to do, he was kind of like, you 1:33:58.439 --> 1:34:00.559 like doing that, but are you gonna doing that for 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:03.120 like a long time? And he was concerned that you 1:34:03.160 --> 1:34:05.320 wouldn't enjoy it or he was concerned that you were 1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:09.360 being frivolous. He was concerned I wouldn't enjoy it. I 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:11.400 were liked hunting so much. He was afraid I was 1:34:11.400 --> 1:34:16.400 going to overdo it, burn myself out. Got it? Hunt? Yeah? 1:34:16.600 --> 1:34:18.479 What town in Nebraska is all this happened to? This 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:22.480 is in Rushville, northwest corner. So we're just spy Shadrin. 1:34:22.720 --> 1:34:24.720 How old were you started? How old were you when 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:27.800 he started a hunt? Oh? Man, I shot my first 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:30.479 year when I was twelve. I can't I couldn't even 1:34:30.520 --> 1:34:32.160 tell you how old I was when I like shot 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:35.880 my first rabbit. It's a little twenty two, but I 1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:38.920 couldn't have been I don't know eight. Is that too young? No, 1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:42.960 I think it was like then, yeah, eight, And then 1:34:43.200 --> 1:34:47.080 there's pictures of me with a cork gun when I 1:34:47.120 --> 1:34:49.000 was really little, like trying to shoot turkeys out the 1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:55.160 window and whatever. Any lots. Yeah, apparently there was. There 1:34:55.200 --> 1:34:58.080 was a time I was on a tricycle chasing turkeys 1:34:58.080 --> 1:35:01.160 down the driveway with a core gun over the handleboy. Yeah. 1:35:01.520 --> 1:35:05.519 So but but tell, like more clearly, tell folks about 1:35:05.600 --> 1:35:08.320 your guiding business before we kind of really cover off 1:35:08.360 --> 1:35:10.679 and how you got into the whole thing. Yeah. So, yeah, 1:35:10.720 --> 1:35:13.720 it's called running water hunting. I started it basically when 1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:16.240 I was in high school, took a little hiatus over 1:35:16.320 --> 1:35:19.920 my college years, and then went back to it. Um 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:23.400 based out of northwest Nebraska on our family cattle ranch 1:35:23.479 --> 1:35:27.320 at Lease, a couple of ranches that surround us as well. 1:35:28.080 --> 1:35:32.400 And yeah we just hunt deer, turkeys and not really 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:36.280 antelope anymore. Um, but yeah, it's basically it. How did 1:35:36.280 --> 1:35:40.760 you get started in high school? So I kind of 1:35:40.800 --> 1:35:44.360 just picked it up. So I grew up with always 1:35:44.400 --> 1:35:47.880 having other hunters around because like my you know, parents 1:35:47.880 --> 1:35:51.040 would have family friends or would ever come out and 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:53.160 they were always from out of state. They would come 1:35:53.160 --> 1:35:56.040 out and there's like a yearly deal, and I think 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:58.840 I would just annoy them mostly, um but I always 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:01.880 wanted to go and they would reluctantly take me, I think. 1:36:02.479 --> 1:36:06.840 And then we had an outfitter from town that leased 1:36:06.840 --> 1:36:08.400 the place for a little while, so then he was 1:36:08.439 --> 1:36:10.240 bringing to people and I would do the same thing. 1:36:10.280 --> 1:36:11.880 I would just go down and like hang out with 1:36:11.960 --> 1:36:14.680 him type of deal. And then were you bummed about that? 1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:16.679 That that was your hunting spot? But then now someone 1:36:16.720 --> 1:36:20.639 was leasing it. Yeah, that was an issue at one point, 1:36:20.760 --> 1:36:26.880 especially when I got older. But Dad was always very like, hey, 1:36:26.920 --> 1:36:30.679 this is a stipulation, like my kid's gonna hunt type 1:36:30.680 --> 1:36:33.360 of the deal. Yeah, so are you the only kid? 1:36:33.960 --> 1:36:36.839 I have two younger sisters. Yeah, but I'm the oldest 1:36:36.840 --> 1:36:42.160 of three, so so we uh yeah. I started doing that, 1:36:42.240 --> 1:36:45.840 and then when that outfitter left, just decided it really 1:36:45.880 --> 1:36:50.080 wasn't his thing. Then I thought I can do this. 1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:54.479 And when I was a senior in high school, I 1:36:54.520 --> 1:36:58.679 booked hunters off of Craigslist, which sounds like a really 1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:02.240 safe thing. What what year you talking about? This would 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:06.479 be two thousand and eleven, yeah, and two thousand eleven, 1:37:06.520 --> 1:37:09.920 two thousand twelve, and so I remember there was like 1:37:09.960 --> 1:37:13.759 these two dudes I think from like Missouri, really nice guys. 1:37:13.920 --> 1:37:18.400 Book for like thousand bucks came out when you ran 1:37:18.479 --> 1:37:22.519 an ad ran a freaking ad on craigslist. Yeah, school, 1:37:23.000 --> 1:37:27.120 and I think it was just like five day white 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:31.479 tail hunt in Nebraska with the high schooler called me up. 1:37:32.439 --> 1:37:37.280 I don't know if they knew that. Did you run 1:37:37.320 --> 1:37:40.599 it like on the national Craigslist? I think so? Honestly, 1:37:40.640 --> 1:37:42.120 I don't even remember. No, I think it was just 1:37:42.160 --> 1:37:46.280 in the Nebraska Panhandle like section of the craigslist, you know. 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:49.760 And then I said like five dayl white five day 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:52.120 white tail hunt. Yeah, five day white tail hunt with 1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:56.479 a muzzleloader. Would you bucks? Did you put that down? Yeah? 1:37:57.520 --> 1:38:01.680 And they where your phone? Yeah, my phone number, and 1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:06.360 they called me You're going to be great yea, or 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:08.960 this is gonna be really bad your parents. You know 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:16.680 that dishwashing deal? Uh? I got a business now I'm 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:20.120 buying the dishwasher. Yeah. So yeah, they came out. How 1:38:20.120 --> 1:38:26.960 many calls, dude, I don't even remember. I think those 1:38:27.000 --> 1:38:28.760 were like the only two guys I think called and 1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:33.599 you're like, hey, is this legit? And yeah, I wish 1:38:33.640 --> 1:38:37.040 I remembered that more what you say. I just like 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:39.280 told him to run down, Like, hey, I think this 1:38:39.360 --> 1:38:41.360 is what kind of what I told you, Like, this 1:38:41.400 --> 1:38:42.760 is what the doer like to do. This is how 1:38:42.800 --> 1:38:44.639 we like to hunt them. Like you have a place 1:38:44.680 --> 1:38:51.480 to stay, meals are on you and yeah come yeah, 1:38:51.560 --> 1:38:55.519 yeah we have a this is my class schedule. Yes 1:38:55.680 --> 1:38:59.160 seriously that yeah that you had to play some serious 1:38:59.200 --> 1:39:02.599 hooky to do this thing. Oh yeah, well we so 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:05.400 I started. I always started. Um. I tried to start 1:39:05.400 --> 1:39:08.000 the hunts on like get the guys in on Friday, 1:39:08.479 --> 1:39:10.400 go like show them around. I would hunt with them 1:39:10.400 --> 1:39:12.600 Saturday Sunday and then they would kind of have the 1:39:13.439 --> 1:39:16.040 like kind of feel for the place and then I 1:39:16.040 --> 1:39:19.360 would send them on their own for like Monday, Monday, 1:39:20.000 --> 1:39:22.880 texting them in class and stuff. Yeah, like keep in track. 1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:29.160 It's very crazy. Yeah, it's like enterprising. Well, the scary 1:39:29.240 --> 1:39:31.200 thing is like I just didn't think there was anything 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:34.360 wrong with that. You have any kind of I mean 1:39:34.520 --> 1:39:37.639 you have to like no licensing or anything. No, well 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:40.599 you don't have to have guide licensing in Nebraska. Were 1:39:40.640 --> 1:39:43.719 you ever in class and getting a text messages? It's like, hey, 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:47.360 come help us track this thing. I don't think that happened. No, 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:51.200 they eat shot a buck, I remember, and it died 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:56.479 like right next to their like easy to get to. Yeah, 1:39:56.520 --> 1:39:58.960 they were super pumped. I still have them on Facebook, 1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:03.240 I think. So those are your your first two clients. 1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:11.720 Those are my first two clients. Yeah. Yeah. So right 1:40:11.800 --> 1:40:15.080 when I graduated high school, we had another like an 1:40:15.080 --> 1:40:18.439 outside outfitter come in and offer us up. And that's 1:40:18.520 --> 1:40:21.560 when I just got displaced again. I did get displaced. 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:23.759 And that's when Dad was like, you need to focus 1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:29.640 on college instead of probably this situation, and um, how 1:40:29.680 --> 1:40:31.559 do you argue with that type of deal? I guess? 1:40:31.600 --> 1:40:36.519 So I did that for went to college and then 1:40:37.040 --> 1:40:40.920 studied what So I studied at business? Yeah, and so 1:40:41.000 --> 1:40:45.639 I went no. So then this is where it gets 1:40:45.920 --> 1:40:50.519 interesting because when I was in that same like senior year, 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:53.000 when I was trying to start this outfitting business, I 1:40:53.040 --> 1:40:56.800 was also really intrigued with like filming and doing that 1:40:56.920 --> 1:41:01.080 kind of thing, and so I started writing for like 1:41:01.120 --> 1:41:06.599 a little self filmed website and so started kind of 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:10.120 my media business if you will. Then as well, and 1:41:10.160 --> 1:41:13.599 when I got to college, I started filming buddies and 1:41:13.680 --> 1:41:17.280 like just putting together a little videos and I was 1:41:17.320 --> 1:41:21.120 at a show and there were some guys like the 1:41:21.200 --> 1:41:24.599 Preferts that have like the blue like ranch equipment, like 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:28.000 bucking shoots and stuff like that. At the rodeos Um 1:41:28.080 --> 1:41:31.920 they have a company producing ranch equipment. Yes, yeah, yeah, 1:41:31.960 --> 1:41:36.080 it's called the whole company is called Prefert And I 1:41:36.120 --> 1:41:41.120 have a cousin that it was a Rodeo judge knew them, 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:43.200 brought them in. They had just started their own TV 1:41:43.280 --> 1:41:47.080 show at the time for Hunting Um, and so kind 1:41:47.120 --> 1:41:49.639 of got in with those guys, and then they knew 1:41:50.040 --> 1:41:52.360 of this other company out of Cody, Wyoming. It's like 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:56.400 a gun manufacturer and they I saw them at a 1:41:56.439 --> 1:41:59.240 show at a hunting show where we were actually trying 1:41:59.240 --> 1:42:01.680 to sell hunts for this other outfit or that at 1:42:01.720 --> 1:42:05.040 least our place, and I just went up and started 1:42:05.040 --> 1:42:07.200 talking to him and the guys like if we ever 1:42:07.200 --> 1:42:09.800 looked for a videographer, we'll let you know. And of 1:42:09.840 --> 1:42:12.520 course I'm like, I'm never going to hear from them. 1:42:12.640 --> 1:42:15.880 And they called me in like August that year and 1:42:15.880 --> 1:42:18.720 wanted me to film start filming sheep hunts for the 1:42:18.760 --> 1:42:22.559 show in Wyoming because they were crazy. I mean, how 1:42:22.560 --> 1:42:25.880 many how many sheep hunts they going on. Um that 1:42:26.000 --> 1:42:29.200 I mean, so that first year, I think I filmed 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:33.439 three two or three, and then the next year I 1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:38.200 think I filmed like six in Wyoming and then yeah, 1:42:38.280 --> 1:42:41.919 just because those guys were guiding and they had clients 1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:44.240 that wanted it filmed or what was it. Yeah, So 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:50.280 they had a rifle manufacturer and so they were sending uh, 1:42:50.320 --> 1:42:53.160 like their rifles on hunts with people. And one of 1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:58.000 the guys that owned it a outfitting and outfitting business. Yeah. Yeah, 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:01.360 and so there was like a big marketing Yeah, different 1:43:01.439 --> 1:43:05.160 hunters all the time. You started documenting those trips, yeah, yeah, 1:43:05.200 --> 1:43:08.000 So I started doing that. So I went through my 1:43:08.080 --> 1:43:10.680 first year of college and then my second year, I 1:43:10.720 --> 1:43:13.479 went through my see how this go? I started my 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:15.720 second year, I was just about ready to start my 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:20.360 junior year of college, my junior fall, and they um 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:22.920 offered me this thing, like to go and like film 1:43:22.960 --> 1:43:24.960 for the fall. Well, I'm like, I can't do both. 1:43:25.160 --> 1:43:28.840 I can't go to college and film. And oh I 1:43:28.840 --> 1:43:31.200 think Dad was very have you at first with that 1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:34.200 decision either, But I just like dropped all my classes 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:37.960 in college really went and filmed, yeah, for the show 1:43:38.080 --> 1:43:39.840 for the first fall, and then I went back to 1:43:39.880 --> 1:43:44.120 college for that spring and then that's it. I've been back, 1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:47.880 your parents passed. I need to finish. No, I don't 1:43:47.880 --> 1:43:49.960 think so, not now that you're going to go finish 1:43:50.000 --> 1:43:53.639 Now I've done. Okay, No, there was a point. Now 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:57.559 probably nothing do it? What do you like if you 1:43:57.560 --> 1:44:02.280 get bored? Actually to sit in the class? Now once 1:44:02.320 --> 1:44:05.679 you got to Chase and not sitting there, you're sitting there. Yeah, 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:08.880 So I yeah, I ended up going this does this 1:44:08.920 --> 1:44:10.639 goes back to the hunting a little bit. The air 1:44:10.640 --> 1:44:14.040 of the outfitting business. The that outfitter that came in 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:16.799 from the outside, um kind of have how to fallen 1:44:16.800 --> 1:44:20.439 out and he moved on falling out Um just kind 1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:22.639 of some landowners in the area. It just like wasn't 1:44:22.760 --> 1:44:27.360 meshing type of deal. So he moved on, and then 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:30.880 we had didn't have anybody coming out to the ranch anymore. 1:44:30.920 --> 1:44:33.880 Well by that time, I had taken a full time 1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:36.439 position with that TV show and Cody, so I had 1:44:36.520 --> 1:44:40.920 moved And so then I started running water hunting like 1:44:40.960 --> 1:44:44.040 officially as an LLC, and I just booked people in 1:44:44.120 --> 1:44:46.880 a semi guided and they would come in. I would 1:44:46.880 --> 1:44:48.840 like have all the tree stands, setting whatever during the 1:44:48.840 --> 1:44:51.080 summer and run cameras as much as they could, and 1:44:51.080 --> 1:44:53.519 then my dad would just kind of show them around, like, hey, 1:44:53.560 --> 1:44:55.880 this is where you park. Um. I would send him 1:44:55.920 --> 1:45:00.000 on xpins with UM where to go basically like where 1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:02.160 the stands were set. And then I just ran it 1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:05.200 as a semi guided for those couple of years. And 1:45:05.240 --> 1:45:07.519 then I ended up quitting the TV show and I 1:45:07.600 --> 1:45:10.680 moved back to Nebraska. And why did you quit the 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:13.240 TV show just to go focus on all this stuff? Yeah, 1:45:13.600 --> 1:45:15.760 it was just time to go, you know, Like I 1:45:15.800 --> 1:45:18.160 had been there full time for two years and actually 1:45:18.160 --> 1:45:20.200 filming with him for like four seasons, and it was 1:45:20.280 --> 1:45:23.120 just I'd run its course. You're like on a salary. Yeah, 1:45:23.120 --> 1:45:25.280 I was on a salary, Yeah, for a couple of years, 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:28.479 and going to eight to five job kind of sucks. 1:45:28.760 --> 1:45:31.000 That was an eight to five job, it was, Yeah, 1:45:31.120 --> 1:45:33.000 it was an eight five And then like I would 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:36.080 film and then when even when we weren't filming, like 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:39.400 I was still expected to be in the office puction 1:45:39.520 --> 1:45:43.400 and yeah, yeah, I would do like everything that I filmed. 1:45:43.400 --> 1:45:45.920 I pretty much did all the post on and then 1:45:46.720 --> 1:45:48.160 you know there's a couple of the people that worked 1:45:48.160 --> 1:45:49.960 in there as well, but yeah, there was a lot 1:45:49.960 --> 1:45:52.000 of there was a lot of downtime. Then I didn't 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:53.680 really need to be in there, you know, and I 1:45:53.720 --> 1:45:57.479 just wanted to get back, and I guess helped add 1:45:57.479 --> 1:45:59.559 with the ranch too a little bit, and just it 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:02.000 was just to move on. So your folks play hardball 1:46:02.080 --> 1:46:04.559 with you at all, where they're like, now, Jordan's this 1:46:04.720 --> 1:46:09.920 is like a reasonable cut for your folks as far 1:46:09.960 --> 1:46:13.679 as like you don't get it, just charge money and 1:46:14.240 --> 1:46:19.760 we don't get a piece. Yeah, I know, they don't 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:21.080 give you like a hand. They don't give you like 1:46:21.080 --> 1:46:23.800 a friendship deal. Oh I think that I get a 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:27.320 friendship Okay, but you're still paying. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:30.040 I wouldn't get a free ride for sure. And then 1:46:30.120 --> 1:46:33.000 like I go back now and I helped Dad, like hey, 1:46:33.040 --> 1:46:35.000 all summer. So then I think there's a little bit 1:46:35.000 --> 1:46:39.560 of trading that goes on for like work for you. 1:46:40.200 --> 1:46:43.240 But then you kind of like you gradually start doing 1:46:43.240 --> 1:46:47.880 like more guiding though, right, yeah, more more involved once 1:46:47.880 --> 1:46:50.200 you were back more involved. Yeah, then that's when I 1:46:50.240 --> 1:46:54.479 started doing like fully guided, including the meals being there 1:46:54.520 --> 1:46:57.360 all the time and I mean essentially being able to 1:46:57.439 --> 1:47:00.280 charge more for that, and how you find and how 1:47:00.280 --> 1:47:02.200 did when you went back to start doing it more seriously, 1:47:02.200 --> 1:47:05.840 how would you find customers or clients? Honestly, a lot 1:47:05.840 --> 1:47:08.200 of it was word of mouth. UM still put some 1:47:08.680 --> 1:47:12.200 I've gone away from Craigslist, but I have put a 1:47:12.200 --> 1:47:15.479 few ads on eBay before and that's actually a pretty 1:47:15.479 --> 1:47:19.000 good way of generating some some things there. And then 1:47:19.600 --> 1:47:21.840 there was just other like guide fitter I think is 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:25.599 a website. Yeah, and a lot of a lot of that, 1:47:25.680 --> 1:47:29.200 but most of it's like repeat people or just word 1:47:29.200 --> 1:47:31.599 of mouth. How many people can you hunt every year? 1:47:32.840 --> 1:47:37.479 I take for deer, I take like twelve totals? What 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:40.320 I like to take like twelve between twelve and fifteen 1:47:40.439 --> 1:47:45.439 between archery, muzzloader and then the rifle season. Have you 1:47:45.479 --> 1:47:49.920 got them all yourself? Sorry? Oh you're fine. I had, Yeah, 1:47:49.960 --> 1:47:51.960 I had before. I do have a kid that's going 1:47:52.000 --> 1:47:53.800 to guide for me this fall to help me out 1:47:53.840 --> 1:47:55.920 a little bit. Last year was crazy. I just like 1:47:56.000 --> 1:47:58.720 I had still have the media business and then the 1:47:58.800 --> 1:48:01.160 hunting business, and it was all very much like back 1:48:01.200 --> 1:48:04.360 to back. I'd get back from a film trip on 1:48:04.400 --> 1:48:06.920 like a Friday, as the other hunters were rolling in 1:48:06.960 --> 1:48:09.120 and then we'd start guiding on like a Saturday or 1:48:09.120 --> 1:48:10.920 something like that, and it was just it was too much. 1:48:11.000 --> 1:48:13.800 So I got a guy into help this year. Some 1:48:13.840 --> 1:48:16.559 of the legis logistical stuff. If you had to if 1:48:16.560 --> 1:48:18.640 you had to decide between doing the media business and 1:48:18.640 --> 1:48:21.080 the hunting guide business, what would you do? Well, let me, 1:48:21.120 --> 1:48:23.200 let me, let's do a three wak you had to 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:30.080 do like cattle, yeah, hunting guide, show business, and whatever 1:48:30.120 --> 1:48:31.360 you picked you had to stick with the rest of 1:48:31.400 --> 1:48:38.080 your life. Oh. Man, I would say meaty business because 1:48:39.120 --> 1:48:46.400 I think so, go on, I don't know. That's a 1:48:46.400 --> 1:48:49.320 hard one, Steve. They're all pretty split. They're all pretty 1:48:49.320 --> 1:48:54.240 split right now in my life anyways, evenly split. But yeah, 1:48:54.280 --> 1:48:56.800 the media stuff, I think mostly because that's where I do, 1:48:56.960 --> 1:49:01.280 like all my Western hunting, I got you, that's because 1:49:01.280 --> 1:49:04.679 it keeps you out and engaged doing new stuff. Yeah, 1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:07.400 It's like takes me all over, which is kind of cool. 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:12.160 So yeah, so do you freelancer people know? I do? Yeah. So, 1:49:12.240 --> 1:49:16.840 my the ranch name is Running Water Ranch, and so 1:49:16.880 --> 1:49:19.559 I spun off of that with Running Water Hunting, and 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:21.040 then I did the same with the media. So it's 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:24.720 running water media, got it? Yeah, how far into the 1:49:24.760 --> 1:49:28.000 future are you booked on the white tail hunts? Uh? 1:49:28.040 --> 1:49:31.840 This year's full. That's pretty that's pretty much it. Um. 1:49:31.880 --> 1:49:33.840 I've got some people that are always like come back 1:49:33.920 --> 1:49:37.759 year to year. So archeries usually fairly full, muzzloaders usually 1:49:37.760 --> 1:49:40.920 really full. And two years ago you killed some giant 1:49:40.920 --> 1:49:45.160 white tail there and muzzleloader bavery Yeah, yeah, he was 1:49:45.240 --> 1:49:48.080 like they scored. He's like one seventy eight or something 1:49:48.080 --> 1:49:50.880 like that. It's a big white Yeah. I think be 1:49:51.800 --> 1:49:54.519 booking lots of folks with a hundred and seventy white 1:49:54.520 --> 1:49:58.320 tail coming falling out of your pockets. I wouldn't say 1:49:58.320 --> 1:50:01.599 falling out of my pockets. I really try to, like 1:50:01.920 --> 1:50:05.920 I really try to be like conservative with selling some 1:50:05.960 --> 1:50:09.240 of these hunts, like especially on the size and stuff. 1:50:09.320 --> 1:50:12.599 Just you know, like we do have some Muleteer two 1:50:12.640 --> 1:50:15.640 and our tags are good for either. But there are 1:50:15.640 --> 1:50:17.360 some guys that have called me and said I want 1:50:17.400 --> 1:50:20.000 a one eighty Muleteer bust and I'm kind of like, yeah, 1:50:20.040 --> 1:50:22.559 you don't want to come here then, because it's not 1:50:23.880 --> 1:50:28.680 that's not fun selling things like that. I don't know, 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:32.800 it's interesting like that outfitter that lesare placed at the time, 1:50:32.920 --> 1:50:36.599 like we would get handed. I guided for him as well, 1:50:36.800 --> 1:50:38.920 and like we would get handed people that you don't. 1:50:39.240 --> 1:50:41.040 It took me a while to realize you don't really 1:50:41.080 --> 1:50:43.840 know what they got sold. You just know what you're 1:50:43.880 --> 1:50:47.160 supposed to be guiding and what's out there. And it's 1:50:47.240 --> 1:50:50.720 really awkward after they have a set of expectations that 1:50:50.760 --> 1:50:53.759 you would never give them. Yeah. Absolutely, it's really awkward. 1:50:53.840 --> 1:50:56.439 So I try really hard not to do that. Right, 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:59.040 you'd be like, that's a really good deer maybe like 1:50:59.360 --> 1:51:02.720 what dear, Yeah exactly, they're like, well, we're all the 1:51:02.720 --> 1:51:07.000 big deer. I had that conversation. It wasn't very much fun. Yeah, 1:51:07.080 --> 1:51:09.519 it wasn't good. So I try to stay very much 1:51:09.560 --> 1:51:13.559 in the We like to keep a small like tighten nit, 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:17.920 you know group when we're there, like four people tops 1:51:18.120 --> 1:51:22.240 is all will take at a time. And intimately, yeah, 1:51:22.280 --> 1:51:24.120 I don't want like a huge camp. I wanted more 1:51:24.160 --> 1:51:26.879 to be like I want to say, more like family, 1:51:26.960 --> 1:51:29.920 but kind of more of like and you're in there 1:51:29.920 --> 1:51:33.040 cooking and everything too. I did cook last year a 1:51:33.040 --> 1:51:35.559 little bit. Yeah, I wouldn't say it was great. Steve 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:40.400 but it got the job done. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, 1:51:40.439 --> 1:51:43.240 we're including all that. I saw a thing recently on me. 1:51:43.320 --> 1:51:46.439 It wasn't recently. I'll scroll into your social media stuff. 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:48.400 You had the thing where you weren't posting trail camp 1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:54.639 photos anymore. Oh yeah, yeah, we had a deal. Yeah, 1:51:54.840 --> 1:51:57.000 we just had a deal. Whereas like, I think we're 1:51:57.479 --> 1:51:59.960 we're posting a lot of pictures and I think people 1:52:00.280 --> 1:52:02.920 people were like moving in on the neighboring ground that 1:52:03.200 --> 1:52:05.439 technically isn't supposed to be getting hunted, but they know 1:52:05.520 --> 1:52:12.800 nobody's really out there, so they Yeah. So yeah, I 1:52:12.880 --> 1:52:15.040 don't know, because that's kind of like an advertisement thing 1:52:15.040 --> 1:52:18.280 for if you're a dear guide, right, yeah. Do you 1:52:18.360 --> 1:52:20.599 view that by putting up what you're seeing on trail games? 1:52:20.600 --> 1:52:22.400 Do you view that as like a marketing thing or 1:52:22.439 --> 1:52:25.800 is it just because you're interested in it? Uh? Pretty Yeah, 1:52:25.920 --> 1:52:28.599 just like me posting trail camera pictures. Yeah, I mean, 1:52:28.600 --> 1:52:30.679 are you're doing that the show people like, hey, here's 1:52:30.680 --> 1:52:32.840 what's going on, Here's what's going on, like this year 1:52:33.200 --> 1:52:37.920 type of deal Like yes, um, but it does have 1:52:38.040 --> 1:52:41.519 a little there's another edge to that sword, which is 1:52:42.000 --> 1:52:45.559 you advertise, Yeah, you just then people like around know 1:52:45.720 --> 1:52:48.720 what's there, and there's places that you can kind of 1:52:48.760 --> 1:52:54.559 slip in from the back or whatever. That's I don't 1:52:54.560 --> 1:52:58.640 know the nicest way to say that, just like Poacher's trespassing, 1:52:59.520 --> 1:53:02.360 what it is stupid things? Yeah, yeah it does. So 1:53:05.320 --> 1:53:12.240 story Big Deer make people stupid. Mm hmm. So now 1:53:12.280 --> 1:53:14.960 what uh who? When you're filming, who do you work for? 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:18.320 Do you do do people? If do you have clients 1:53:18.479 --> 1:53:20.479 like that they're going hunting and they want to like 1:53:20.600 --> 1:53:22.920 document the hunt and you'll hire on and go document 1:53:23.000 --> 1:53:28.160 their hunt. Yeah, pretty much. So Yeah, there's like there's 1:53:28.160 --> 1:53:29.880 a lady of film for the last couple of years 1:53:29.880 --> 1:53:33.200 has bought like Governor Sheep tags. Um, I'll go film 1:53:33.240 --> 1:53:38.120 her on those. Um Like Rockslide dot com is a 1:53:38.160 --> 1:53:41.439 website that I've written for for a long time and 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:45.040 they wanted to start doing like, you know, just doing 1:53:45.080 --> 1:53:47.080 good films with their hunts to help I think with 1:53:47.160 --> 1:53:49.200 their you know, brand and image and stuff. So I'll 1:53:49.320 --> 1:53:52.639 go do those. Um. Crispy Boots have done some stuff 1:53:52.680 --> 1:53:56.120 for UM. But yeah, it's just things like that kind 1:53:56.120 --> 1:53:59.280 of whatever companies them I'm involved with if they need 1:54:00.040 --> 1:54:02.400 somebody to go with the murder, take product pictures or 1:54:02.400 --> 1:54:07.920 whatever I can go. He Uh. I was gonna say, 1:54:07.920 --> 1:54:10.360 how did you flip that? Because normally sounds like you're 1:54:10.400 --> 1:54:13.200 behind the camera, you're guiding, but you just got done 1:54:13.240 --> 1:54:15.200 with a pretty special hunt where you got to be 1:54:15.200 --> 1:54:19.040 behind the gun. That got flipped. That I got flipped. Yeah, 1:54:19.160 --> 1:54:21.760 So that was a deal through Six Hour, who I 1:54:21.800 --> 1:54:24.519 started working with a couple of years ago. Yeah, and 1:54:24.560 --> 1:54:27.000 so they've got they've got a rifle coming out that 1:54:27.040 --> 1:54:31.280 we wanted to do. It's, um, we wanted to do 1:54:31.360 --> 1:54:33.880 a hunt like kind of around with a rifle was 1:54:33.920 --> 1:54:38.920 intended for and it's just a really lightweight, packable rifle 1:54:39.040 --> 1:54:43.120 and so uh kind of threw a pitch out like, hey, 1:54:43.800 --> 1:54:45.760 this is what this thing is made for, like once 1:54:45.920 --> 1:54:48.720 you send me on a sheep hunt. And they're like, well, 1:54:49.840 --> 1:54:51.800 we might be able to make that happen. And it 1:54:52.200 --> 1:54:58.760 worked within you know however, Yeah, I still can't believe it. 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:02.720 Still can't I believe it. So that's what we did 1:55:03.680 --> 1:55:07.480 in the Brooks Range. Yeah, sound slope. Yeah, I got 1:55:07.520 --> 1:55:11.440 an outfitter that I actually found the hunt in January. 1:55:11.480 --> 1:55:15.200 He had had a couple of cancelations founded off Craigslist. Yeah, No, 1:55:16.840 --> 1:55:21.440 that one was word of mouth too. It was yeah, yeah, 1:55:21.520 --> 1:55:25.760 it was awesome. It's totally coincidental. But I was looking 1:55:25.920 --> 1:55:28.680 into some hunts in the Brooks Range talking to some people, 1:55:29.000 --> 1:55:32.000 and the Brooks Range right now is not in good shape. 1:55:32.000 --> 1:55:33.440 But the ship, i should say, the sheep in the 1:55:33.440 --> 1:55:35.320 Brooks Range are not in good shape. There's a lot 1:55:35.400 --> 1:55:39.960 of not good shape sheep units in Alaska right now, 1:55:40.480 --> 1:55:42.960 just some bad string of bad winter. But you're like 1:55:43.000 --> 1:55:46.080 the sixth person that I've talked to that had an 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:48.880 unbelievably good sheep in the Brooks Range. I don't know 1:55:48.920 --> 1:55:51.960 if I would say it was like unbelievably good. Well, 1:55:52.040 --> 1:55:55.160 it was basically the opposite of like yours for weather 1:55:55.920 --> 1:55:59.080 and whatnot. It sucked for most of it, but it 1:55:59.120 --> 1:56:01.680 was it was fun. Did you see any other rams 1:56:01.880 --> 1:56:09.360 besides killed? I mean I saw probably six legal rams. 1:56:10.120 --> 1:56:13.360 Um we saw them all like two days before season, 1:56:13.560 --> 1:56:16.640 the day before season. Yeah, and then like we found 1:56:16.640 --> 1:56:18.760 one in the middle that we ended up blowing a 1:56:18.800 --> 1:56:21.880 stock on, and then the one that end up killing 1:56:21.920 --> 1:56:25.000 at the end was with another legal ram. So yeah, 1:56:25.000 --> 1:56:27.440 but we just had a bad string of weather. It 1:56:27.560 --> 1:56:31.520 was yeah, yeah, for pretty much. The first day was 1:56:31.560 --> 1:56:34.160 good and we had a ram that we've been watching 1:56:34.200 --> 1:56:37.600 the previous two days give us the slip and thought, 1:56:38.120 --> 1:56:40.840 no worries, like we're right where their home is, Like 1:56:40.920 --> 1:56:42.840 we're gonna just pick through here and find him. And 1:56:42.880 --> 1:56:46.720 then the next day it was pretty much like zero 1:56:46.840 --> 1:56:50.440 zero on visibility and raining for I think until like 1:56:50.520 --> 1:56:53.840 five six o'clock that night, and then the next day 1:56:53.840 --> 1:56:56.280 it was a whole day in the tent. The day 1:56:56.320 --> 1:56:58.040 after that was most of the morning and the tent 1:56:58.160 --> 1:57:00.560 we got to move a little bit and it broke 1:57:00.680 --> 1:57:03.280 that afternoon. We ended up finding a ram that was 1:57:03.320 --> 1:57:06.200 super cool, but we just like the way that we 1:57:06.240 --> 1:57:09.120 had to go in on him. Um, we couldn't see 1:57:09.480 --> 1:57:12.360 exactly I didn't think anyways, we could see exactly where 1:57:12.400 --> 1:57:15.120 they were bedded once we got around into the top, 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:16.800 and just took a lot of time to do that 1:57:16.840 --> 1:57:21.480 as just moving in that country as hard as you know. Um, 1:57:22.360 --> 1:57:25.680 And they ended up going through a saddle underneath of 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:28.040 us as we were trying to go through the saddle 1:57:28.080 --> 1:57:30.920 to them, so we basically passed each other and I 1:57:30.960 --> 1:57:32.960 think we were like two yards from him, but it 1:57:33.000 --> 1:57:35.200 was so steep that you just couldn't see. You don't 1:57:35.200 --> 1:57:38.600 have those hills like have a lot of creases in them, 1:57:38.680 --> 1:57:42.720 and they ended up busting out. So that was and 1:57:42.760 --> 1:57:44.880 I told the guy that was like I've blown a 1:57:44.880 --> 1:57:48.960 lot of stocks. That one was the worst thing hurting 1:57:49.000 --> 1:57:52.040 one that I've ever had. But yeah, then we spent 1:57:52.120 --> 1:57:54.160 the next it was like the next three days in 1:57:54.200 --> 1:57:57.600 the town and it was just the most frustrating thing 1:57:57.600 --> 1:58:00.680 on the planet. Oh man, Yeah, burned up a lot 1:58:00.680 --> 1:58:04.600 of in reach battery on that on that deal. So 1:58:06.400 --> 1:58:08.600 doing that one time sheep hunting and no one brought 1:58:08.600 --> 1:58:10.720 a book, but my brother bought. I had thought to 1:58:10.760 --> 1:58:12.960 bring a book, and there's three of us and he 1:58:13.040 --> 1:58:16.280 cut his book in thirds and since it was his book, 1:58:16.280 --> 1:58:18.960 he got to read front to back. I had like 1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:21.960 start in the middle and then get my third later. 1:58:22.040 --> 1:58:26.240 So you had to read it like portions. You know, man, 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:30.000 sit in the tense, painful. It sucked, but it's I mean, 1:58:30.080 --> 1:58:32.720 I don't know, I think we've done what three dollars 1:58:32.760 --> 1:58:35.320 she punts together, and I feel like that's been a 1:58:35.360 --> 1:58:37.720 part of every single one. But every time it makes 1:58:37.720 --> 1:58:40.360 you mad. Oh yeah, but you got to go in 1:58:40.480 --> 1:58:42.440 expecting it. You know. I mean that's why you go 1:58:42.560 --> 1:58:45.600 for ten days, because five of them you probably can't 1:58:45.600 --> 1:58:48.760 see anything. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it it got to 1:58:48.800 --> 1:58:52.880 a point where like even if you wanted to, you know, 1:58:52.960 --> 1:58:57.080 like the guy told me, he said, I don't know 1:58:58.040 --> 1:59:00.440 most he said, most of my clients, like we would 1:59:00.480 --> 1:59:02.920 have left three days ago because it was just like 1:59:03.720 --> 1:59:05.200 they would have got burned out. Yeah, they would have 1:59:05.200 --> 1:59:07.800 got burned out. But where are you gonna go, like, 1:59:08.280 --> 1:59:10.240 you know, walk to the air strip. But it's still 1:59:10.800 --> 1:59:13.520 they can't come get you. We're just gonna like stare 1:59:13.560 --> 1:59:22.600 at wherever that is. And uh yeah yeah. So finally 1:59:22.600 --> 1:59:27.080 it was like it was the eight Now it was 1:59:27.120 --> 1:59:30.520 the seventh day of the hunt. We woke up to snow, 1:59:30.800 --> 1:59:32.920 but everything was like clearing off and it was starting 1:59:32.920 --> 1:59:36.360 to get nicer. And made our way down the spine 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:39.839 and we were starting to figure out our exit strategy 1:59:39.880 --> 1:59:42.480 because that was a that was a Wednesday, and we 1:59:42.480 --> 1:59:44.440 were getting picked up on a Friday morning from the 1:59:44.480 --> 1:59:46.720 air strip and we're still a ways away from the 1:59:46.720 --> 1:59:51.440 air strip, and so we're on this ridge like right 1:59:51.560 --> 1:59:54.320 up in the rocks with the sheep. Our guide finds 1:59:54.400 --> 1:59:59.720 four rams across the valley on another mountain, and he's like, 2:00:00.800 --> 2:00:03.480 I think we can. He's like, I don't know if 2:00:03.520 --> 2:00:05.840 we can get there and back to the air strip, 2:00:06.400 --> 2:00:10.200 but that's kind of our only options. So he's like, 2:00:10.200 --> 2:00:12.560 it's up to you, Like, I think we can get 2:00:12.600 --> 2:00:15.480 there and get this all done, but at least get 2:00:15.480 --> 2:00:17.360 close to him, or we can stay up here and 2:00:17.440 --> 2:00:19.160 keep picking around trying to find sheep. But he's like, 2:00:19.160 --> 2:00:20.600 either way, we have to be at the aer strip 2:00:20.600 --> 2:00:25.280 Friday morning, so at eight o'clock, so you like figure out, 2:00:25.440 --> 2:00:27.400 you know, kind of what you think we should do. 2:00:27.480 --> 2:00:30.760 And I'm like, I would rather go after those sheep, 2:00:30.880 --> 2:00:32.360 and all of our eggs were going to be in 2:00:32.360 --> 2:00:34.480 that basket too, Like it was a little bit lower 2:00:34.520 --> 2:00:38.120 on the mountain, um they were. They were probably the 2:00:38.120 --> 2:00:40.640 only sheep in that little that mountain that we could see. 2:00:41.400 --> 2:00:43.240 So I was like, I'd rather go over there and 2:00:43.440 --> 2:00:47.520 screw it up and not get one, then sit up 2:00:47.520 --> 2:00:49.960 here and wish we would have went. So he's like, 2:00:50.400 --> 2:00:53.000 if it, we're going. And it was like we left 2:00:53.000 --> 2:00:55.520 there at five o'clock. I had to go through the 2:00:55.560 --> 2:00:57.760 brush line and then back up through the brush line 2:00:57.760 --> 2:00:59.680 and all that, and we got we were a thousand 2:00:59.800 --> 2:01:03.440 yard it's from the sheep at one am and they 2:01:03.440 --> 2:01:05.680 were still batted where we left the last time I 2:01:05.720 --> 2:01:08.600 saw him, So that was nice. And uh so we 2:01:08.720 --> 2:01:11.280 threw out sleeping bags on a really steep hillside and 2:01:11.320 --> 2:01:13.840 just try not to freeze to death. And it was 2:01:13.960 --> 2:01:17.280 light enough that we could start like kind of moving 2:01:17.320 --> 2:01:19.200 and you could really tell which ram was which at 2:01:19.240 --> 2:01:24.000 like four thirty in the morning this Thursday, this Thursday morning. Yeah, 2:01:24.240 --> 2:01:28.400 so we watched him for quite a while and it 2:01:28.480 --> 2:01:31.560 was like, of course, the coldest night that we had 2:01:32.000 --> 2:01:34.760 was when we just through sleeping bags on the ground 2:01:34.800 --> 2:01:36.840 and like didn't have any things like when the storm breaks, 2:01:36.920 --> 2:01:41.200 it's really clear outside. Nice. Yeah, it was cold, super cold, 2:01:42.000 --> 2:01:44.360 and uh so we watched him for a while. They 2:01:44.440 --> 2:01:47.160 ended up bedding out on this like rock cliff thing. 2:01:47.200 --> 2:01:48.839 We weren't going to be able to make the approach 2:01:48.880 --> 2:01:51.120 we wanted, but it was kind of getting down to 2:01:51.120 --> 2:01:53.880 crunch time, like we need to move and do something. 2:01:54.760 --> 2:01:56.600 So we came up with this. We came up with 2:01:56.640 --> 2:02:01.960 this plan, moved in um and then are we had 2:02:02.480 --> 2:02:04.960 our packer we left back and he was supposed to 2:02:04.960 --> 2:02:08.800 be giving us hand signals and we never could see him. 2:02:09.040 --> 2:02:12.360 But it turns out he could never see the sheep either, 2:02:13.200 --> 2:02:16.560 so that I guess all worked out. Um, But we 2:02:16.680 --> 2:02:19.000 moved in and knew what do you think was going 2:02:19.080 --> 2:02:29.080 through just doing good? Yeah, I don't know, um, but yeah. 2:02:29.120 --> 2:02:33.160 We just had like pretty a couple of pretty defined 2:02:33.240 --> 2:02:36.040 like rock outcroppings that we were pretty sure we could 2:02:36.040 --> 2:02:38.400 get to and be like two yards from the ramps 2:02:38.520 --> 2:02:40.960 or so. But we could never see him the whole 2:02:41.320 --> 2:02:43.680 way over. So we're just hoping that they were going 2:02:43.720 --> 2:02:46.440 to be there, and we like snuck through. And all 2:02:46.440 --> 2:02:49.360 those rocks are like you know how they are just 2:02:49.480 --> 2:02:53.160 that they don't have a home. They're like always you know, rolling, 2:02:53.240 --> 2:02:54.680 making a lot of noise. So we just tried to 2:02:54.720 --> 2:02:56.880 be as quiet as we could. And I remember it 2:02:56.960 --> 2:02:59.000 was like this big rock slab that had a crack 2:02:59.080 --> 2:03:00.880 through the middle of it, and the crack was probably 2:03:00.920 --> 2:03:04.760 like two ft wide, and the guide poked his head through, 2:03:05.760 --> 2:03:09.440 and I remember being like he didn't have any he didn't, 2:03:10.080 --> 2:03:12.000 you know. I expected him to see him really fast, 2:03:12.280 --> 2:03:15.000 and he didn't move, and I'm like, oh, they're gone, 2:03:15.120 --> 2:03:17.800 like they backdoored us or whatever, Like they're out of here. 2:03:18.280 --> 2:03:22.720 And about that time he put his head down and 2:03:22.760 --> 2:03:26.080 he said, oh, ship a hundred yards and I was like, 2:03:26.400 --> 2:03:29.520 all right, we're close, and and uh, they were just 2:03:30.200 --> 2:03:32.720 they were just moving out. And so it was four 2:03:32.840 --> 2:03:35.920 rams pretty much in a row, uh, in a line, 2:03:35.920 --> 2:03:37.720 and they were just like moving across the rocks. And 2:03:37.760 --> 2:03:39.480 it took the guide a little while to figure out 2:03:39.560 --> 2:03:44.040 like which one there was two legal rams, um, the 2:03:44.080 --> 2:03:46.000 one that I really liked and the one he thought 2:03:46.080 --> 2:03:49.240 was the oldest. His lamp tips really flared and that 2:03:49.360 --> 2:03:53.120 was obviously, you know, that's super cool. So he finally 2:03:53.160 --> 2:03:54.920 told me what which one he was, and then he 2:03:55.000 --> 2:03:58.080 was just calling out I remember his calling out ranges. 2:03:58.080 --> 2:04:01.000 He would just be like one eighty, two hundred to 2:04:01.320 --> 2:04:05.080 ten to twenty, And I'm thinking, like that little fold 2:04:05.160 --> 2:04:07.360 that they were in was not really that big. I'm like, 2:04:07.640 --> 2:04:10.280 if they stay await, like pointed directly away from me 2:04:10.320 --> 2:04:13.680 the whole time, like I'm gonna I'm not gonna get 2:04:13.680 --> 2:04:15.400 a shot, Like we're gonna get this close, I'm not 2:04:15.400 --> 2:04:17.320 going to get a shot at him. In about that time, 2:04:17.360 --> 2:04:20.200 it's like to twenty I think was the first shot. 2:04:20.400 --> 2:04:23.760 He just kicked a little bit, quartering away and I 2:04:23.800 --> 2:04:26.000 put it like right in the last rib and came 2:04:26.040 --> 2:04:29.520 out his armpit and then he was that was my sheep. 2:04:30.440 --> 2:04:34.080 Great man, it was super cool. What do you do 2:04:34.120 --> 2:04:43.520 with that? It's gonna be a full body that we're 2:04:43.600 --> 2:04:50.080 kicking a dog here, rocky Mount, bighorn sheep fighting a 2:04:50.160 --> 2:04:58.840 doll sheep, whole body mount. You could just knock it 2:04:58.840 --> 2:05:02.440 out on the last day like that, have the whole adventure. Yeah, 2:05:02.440 --> 2:05:04.760 it was awesome. I mean that's really how everybody wants 2:05:04.760 --> 2:05:09.080 their hunt to like play out. There's just not in hindsight. 2:05:09.120 --> 2:05:12.440 They hindsight, not everybody. There's plenty of people I think 2:05:12.480 --> 2:05:14.120 that would say, you know, I'll kill him one day 2:05:14.120 --> 2:05:19.920 one blow the steam off my cup of coffee. Jordan. 2:05:20.040 --> 2:05:22.280 If you do, uh, if you do full body, how 2:05:22.280 --> 2:05:24.960 do you have to carry that animal out? You can't, 2:05:25.040 --> 2:05:29.720 you can't. I mean what do you do immediately? Just 2:05:29.760 --> 2:05:31.880 a full body mount? So we just skinned him, like 2:05:32.200 --> 2:05:33.760 we just took all the hide instead of are they 2:05:33.840 --> 2:05:37.440 doing like you know, like a half like first shoulder, Um, 2:05:37.440 --> 2:05:40.400 we took the whole skinned him in the field and 2:05:40.440 --> 2:05:43.120 then yeah, okay, get it. Yeah, we packed him out 2:05:43.160 --> 2:05:46.480 and we got back to the airstrip at three am, 2:05:46.720 --> 2:05:50.680 really Friday morning, catch a little five our nap plane lands. Yeah. 2:05:50.880 --> 2:05:55.200 It was pretty pretty tight. Yeah, yeah, and then the 2:05:55.240 --> 2:05:59.280 plane like, of course, the first like really nice day 2:05:59.440 --> 2:06:01.400 was probably the I shot him, But the next nice 2:06:01.440 --> 2:06:03.040 day was like, at least the plank could come in. 2:06:04.240 --> 2:06:06.560 The other option was we were gonna have to walk 2:06:06.600 --> 2:06:10.640 to the river, which was like, gosh, I don't know, 2:06:10.720 --> 2:06:12.920 it was probably like another eight miles from where we were, 2:06:13.520 --> 2:06:16.480 and then I guess hope that the clouds would be 2:06:16.760 --> 2:06:20.040 high enough there that they could get in. But yeah, 2:06:20.040 --> 2:06:23.080 it was nice. They got in. The The guy landed 2:06:23.080 --> 2:06:26.640 at like seven in the morning, and he had brought 2:06:26.960 --> 2:06:29.720 the packer and the guy had like a bunch more 2:06:29.720 --> 2:06:32.120 supplies because they had somebody rolling in like a couple 2:06:32.160 --> 2:06:33.960 of days later, so they were just going to stay 2:06:34.040 --> 2:06:36.560 up there. And he brought him a half case of beer. 2:06:37.080 --> 2:06:39.360 And when he took off and took my camera, guy 2:06:39.400 --> 2:06:42.440 back um me and the guy just like cracked a 2:06:42.440 --> 2:06:45.240 beer and looked at whatever it was, and I was like, 2:06:45.720 --> 2:06:49.960 it wasn't that bad, but it was kind of miserable 2:06:50.000 --> 2:06:53.120 in the moment. We're pretty beat up afterward, your feet 2:06:53.160 --> 2:06:57.360 and everything. Yeah, like I was, I was pretty good, 2:06:57.400 --> 2:06:59.880 but that no, I shouldn't say it was pretty good 2:07:00.000 --> 2:07:02.000 out that it beat the hell out of me. That 2:07:03.120 --> 2:07:05.200 just those last couple I don't think I lost a 2:07:05.200 --> 2:07:08.280 bunch of weight, but we weighed my pack when I 2:07:08.360 --> 2:07:11.160 got back from the pack out and there was like 2:07:11.160 --> 2:07:13.000 some other guys that I went with, and we all 2:07:13.080 --> 2:07:14.520 kind of got back at the same time. They were 2:07:14.560 --> 2:07:17.280 waiting their packs and my camera guys like, you better 2:07:17.320 --> 2:07:19.600 weigh it, like just to just to see. And I'm like, 2:07:19.800 --> 2:07:21.720 I bet it was like eighty pounds, like it's it 2:07:21.800 --> 2:07:23.880 was heavy, but it was like whatever I made it, 2:07:23.960 --> 2:07:26.880 it was a hundred and two. I was like, yeah, no, 2:07:26.920 --> 2:07:29.880 wonder in my I couldn't feel my toes for like 2:07:29.920 --> 2:07:33.360 a week and a half. Pounds. Yeah, I don't ever 2:07:33.400 --> 2:07:39.000 want to do it against Steve hold the car. Yeah, 2:07:39.120 --> 2:07:43.080 just carry that much. That's smart. Yeah, that's for everybody. 2:07:43.240 --> 2:07:46.040 Because I just hung out with my body and Colorado, 2:07:46.080 --> 2:07:48.680 who did not get to join me at all on 2:07:48.800 --> 2:07:50.640 my sheep on and one of the big reasons because 2:07:50.640 --> 2:07:55.480 he's battling bulge disks that are most likely from you know, 2:07:55.600 --> 2:07:58.440 years of pack and a lot of meat. So kids 2:07:59.440 --> 2:08:01.720 Jordan just did it. She made it out alive. Man, 2:08:01.800 --> 2:08:04.760 don't overpack your back and battle that for the rest 2:08:04.800 --> 2:08:06.520 of your life. Doesn't kill you to go back for 2:08:06.520 --> 2:08:09.280 a second trip. But so are you? Are you addicted 2:08:09.320 --> 2:08:12.400 and you're trying to, uh like work any every single 2:08:12.440 --> 2:08:16.720 angle you can to get back up there for another one. Yeah, 2:08:16.920 --> 2:08:19.840 I don't know. We'll have to see, like how the 2:08:19.840 --> 2:08:22.800 doll sheep one goes, but I'm gonna start putting in 2:08:22.840 --> 2:08:26.800 for Big Horn a little more seriously now. And yeah, 2:08:26.840 --> 2:08:30.040 I'm not sure where my sheep hunting. We'll we'll go. 2:08:30.160 --> 2:08:32.040 Now if people want to go check out, how do 2:08:32.080 --> 2:08:34.720 people go find the video? You know the video guys made, 2:08:34.880 --> 2:08:37.720 So that is gonna be I think that's gonna be 2:08:37.720 --> 2:08:39.680 out in January and that will be like a First 2:08:39.800 --> 2:08:44.880 Light uh six hour kind of combo. Great deal there. 2:08:45.040 --> 2:08:48.520 So yeah, First Light sent the videographer, which was it 2:08:48.600 --> 2:08:52.000 was his first mountain trip ever to sending the season. 2:08:52.080 --> 2:08:57.520 Pros couldn't find any Yeah, you got a book. It 2:08:57.600 --> 2:08:59.880 was kind of short. It was kind of short notice, 2:09:00.160 --> 2:09:03.800 but he did fantastic and didn't complain. Probably kept me 2:09:03.840 --> 2:09:06.120 in better spirits. So so they can find the video 2:09:06.240 --> 2:09:09.080 through SIG's sour in first light. Yeah, yeah that it 2:09:09.120 --> 2:09:13.040 probably won't be done until like January, I'm guessing. And then, um, 2:09:13.280 --> 2:09:15.520 where someone wants to come book book a deer hunt 2:09:15.600 --> 2:09:19.360 with you. So Running water Hunting dot com is a website. 2:09:19.440 --> 2:09:21.160 You can kind of get the full run down there, 2:09:21.200 --> 2:09:24.720 and then just really through my Instagram at Jordan bud. 2:09:25.240 --> 2:09:31.200 What's the Craiglist ad heading for the uh, I've moved 2:09:31.240 --> 2:09:34.800 away from Craigslist, totally away from Yeah, I have. I 2:09:34.800 --> 2:09:38.680 think that's probably the smart smart thing spell all the 2:09:38.720 --> 2:09:40.840 Instagram because you got like a little underscore or some 2:09:40.920 --> 2:09:44.400 shipping there, don't you. Oh you have a dot Jordan 2:09:44.480 --> 2:09:48.160 dot bud. Yeah, people will find you, yeah, they should hopefully. 2:09:48.200 --> 2:09:51.120 And then and then you guys book Turkey Trips. Book 2:09:51.160 --> 2:09:58.240 Turkey Trips two is pretty full already. Yeah, pure bread 2:09:58.280 --> 2:10:02.600 Miriam's so that's native Miriams or yeah yeah, not the 2:10:02.640 --> 2:10:07.720 hybrids rather hybrid zone so it's cool. Yeah, super white tips. 2:10:08.800 --> 2:10:10.840 What do you like? What do you like better? The 2:10:11.400 --> 2:10:13.720 guy in Turkey Hunts are guying deer hunts. Oh, dear 2:10:13.800 --> 2:10:17.080 hunts for sure. Not a big Turkey person. No, No, 2:10:17.440 --> 2:10:23.240 that's you don't like squirrels don't like turkeys. I never 2:10:23.280 --> 2:10:26.520 said it didn't like squirrels. I just haven't don't be 2:10:26.520 --> 2:10:28.720 into squirrels. I'm gonna come out and hit them squirrels. 2:10:29.400 --> 2:10:31.120 Do you like have your white tails on the ground 2:10:31.200 --> 2:10:34.400 more than in a tree? Where? How do you define 2:10:34.480 --> 2:10:39.120 yourself as a white tail hunter? Uh? Archery wise? Like 2:10:39.200 --> 2:10:43.120 from trees? Nice? I think, um, we can hunt them 2:10:43.120 --> 2:10:45.440 on the ground where we're at. It's just we're hunting 2:10:45.480 --> 2:10:49.840 them a lot like coming from uh betting to like 2:10:49.880 --> 2:10:52.040 their food source and vice versa, and a lot of 2:10:52.080 --> 2:10:54.640 that is through open pretty open country like open roly. 2:10:55.200 --> 2:10:58.360 It's really hard to do, but it's doable to get 2:10:58.720 --> 2:11:00.600 to get close to them when they're when they're doing that. 2:11:00.640 --> 2:11:03.880 So like muzzleloader and rifle, Like absolutely, that's the way 2:11:03.920 --> 2:11:07.440 I'd like to do it. UM, Like we blind hunt 2:11:07.640 --> 2:11:11.320 for muzzleloader, and we can for rifle. Honestly, we haven't 2:11:11.320 --> 2:11:13.720 really had two for rifle because we usually feel like 2:11:13.840 --> 2:11:18.000 on the first day or two, UM, But for muzzloader, like, 2:11:18.040 --> 2:11:19.560 I really prefer to be on the ground, but we'll 2:11:19.560 --> 2:11:22.760 put you in a blind if it's applicable, UM, and 2:11:22.800 --> 2:11:25.320 I think it is. It's like a very very effective way, 2:11:25.400 --> 2:11:29.040 especially with you know, a lot of our clients are 2:11:29.080 --> 2:11:31.240 coming from back East. They haven't really stocked anything before, 2:11:31.640 --> 2:11:35.120 so it's all really like new and that like ambush 2:11:35.200 --> 2:11:38.520 style of stockings, really fast paced and it's trying to 2:11:38.560 --> 2:11:43.560 get yeah too much sometimes. So do you have do 2:11:43.600 --> 2:11:45.240 you do you know about deer that at the end 2:11:45.280 --> 2:11:46.839 of the year, even though you got all those clients, 2:11:46.840 --> 2:11:48.240 at the end of year, the deer gives you the 2:11:48.280 --> 2:11:51.320 slip like you never find it or usually if it's 2:11:51.320 --> 2:11:54.680 out there, you're gonna find it. Usually if it's out there, 2:11:54.680 --> 2:11:56.600 we're going to find it. But like that dear that 2:11:56.680 --> 2:11:59.840 tanyevery shot that you were talking about. A few years ago, 2:12:00.560 --> 2:12:04.120 I found him. I had one trail camera picture of him, 2:12:04.200 --> 2:12:06.560 and then after I got the trail camera picture, I 2:12:06.560 --> 2:12:09.320 went in to try to to glass him and he 2:12:09.680 --> 2:12:11.920 popped out of a corn field and was walking along it. 2:12:12.040 --> 2:12:17.120 So I saw him. That was like mid August, and 2:12:17.160 --> 2:12:21.120 we didn't see that deer again until we killed him December. Second. 2:12:21.760 --> 2:12:24.320 There's a little mystery out there for you. Yeah, yeah, 2:12:24.440 --> 2:12:27.840 for sure. They definitely like those big ones, especially like 2:12:27.880 --> 2:12:30.000 they know how to they know how to slip around, 2:12:30.080 --> 2:12:31.840 especially like right in the middle of the season. It 2:12:31.880 --> 2:12:35.480 seems like later season in December, when everything's really coming 2:12:35.480 --> 2:12:37.600 into the fields and it's like a major food source. 2:12:37.840 --> 2:12:40.360 It seems like they we get a lot of bucks 2:12:40.360 --> 2:12:42.200 show up at that time of year and a lot 2:12:42.280 --> 2:12:44.840 of new deer that I've never seen before, which is kind. 2:12:46.080 --> 2:12:48.640 But you guys also get some pretty good like still 2:12:48.680 --> 2:12:52.120 get some rud activity early December, don't you. Yeah, yeah 2:12:52.120 --> 2:12:54.160 we do. Yeah, that can be a really good time, 2:12:54.520 --> 2:12:57.120 um for that rud activity. And then like you know, 2:12:57.280 --> 2:12:59.920 Nebraska's rifle season runs right in the middle of rud 2:13:00.160 --> 2:13:02.760 of the rut pretty much the third week in November, 2:13:02.880 --> 2:13:07.680 so yeah, we can. Yeah, we can hunt the the 2:13:07.760 --> 2:13:12.120 rut a lot. I mean it's pretty much September, September one, 2:13:12.280 --> 2:13:15.920 December thirty one, you can be hunt deer in Nebraska. Man, 2:13:15.960 --> 2:13:17.400 I think you're gonna book up. I think You're gonna 2:13:17.440 --> 2:13:19.840 book up some trips man off the show. I hope. 2:13:19.880 --> 2:13:23.040 So it's really fun. I'm telling you, Like, the hunt's fun. 2:13:23.120 --> 2:13:26.520 Like we see a lot of deer usually, um, and 2:13:26.520 --> 2:13:29.640 you'll like you'll like cook him a burger or something. Yeah, 2:13:29.760 --> 2:13:32.240 I'll cook you a burger. The crop pod is my friend, 2:13:33.920 --> 2:13:37.520 what's the Jordan Bunn specialty where you're like, d on 2:13:37.560 --> 2:13:40.320 Tuesday night, You're gonna like dinner because I'm cooking my 2:13:42.600 --> 2:13:46.880 uh pulled pork. I would say, yeah, yeah, not bad. 2:13:47.840 --> 2:13:51.520 She'll throw in a free pulled pork sandwich. Yeah. Bo 2:13:51.680 --> 2:13:54.000 a trip. Now, I think you're gonna books and trips up. 2:13:54.520 --> 2:13:57.920 I hope. So, man, when people come out, you help them, 2:13:57.920 --> 2:13:59.760 you get all their meat package up or to get 2:13:59.760 --> 2:14:00.960 it all sets so they can bring it home with 2:14:01.000 --> 2:14:05.240 a processor or whatever. Yeah. So last in the previous 2:14:05.280 --> 2:14:08.280 years we haven't had a processor around, so we usually 2:14:08.320 --> 2:14:11.120 just help them like quarter it and get it ready. 2:14:11.160 --> 2:14:13.960 However they can get at home with them whether that's 2:14:14.040 --> 2:14:17.080 like mostly it's just like we try to debone it 2:14:17.120 --> 2:14:19.040 and do like all the things for c w D 2:14:19.080 --> 2:14:21.600 and whatnot. Um, but we just put it in a 2:14:21.640 --> 2:14:23.360 cooler and they check it on the plane with them 2:14:24.120 --> 2:14:28.000 or yeah, we've like got it frozen completely solid before 2:14:28.040 --> 2:14:31.120 and shipped it. Um do things like they want to 2:14:31.160 --> 2:14:33.120 do something with their head that you they bring it 2:14:33.200 --> 2:14:35.080 home or you have like a person you bring it to. 2:14:35.320 --> 2:14:37.640 So a lot of people have just been like do 2:14:37.800 --> 2:14:40.560 they like doing the euro Mounts. That's been really popular. 2:14:40.600 --> 2:14:43.560 So I've got a buddy I went to Freedom the 2:14:43.600 --> 2:14:46.120 Freedom Mounts. I like that. How they had to rebrand 2:14:46.120 --> 2:14:51.480 French fries during the Iraq invasion. No, yeah, France wouldn't 2:14:51.480 --> 2:14:53.560 get on board with the Iraq invasion, so they rebranded 2:14:53.560 --> 2:14:56.840 French fries is freedom fries? Like call them euromounts. We 2:14:56.960 --> 2:15:00.960 really taught them. Yeah, oh no, that changed their tune. Yeah. 2:15:03.000 --> 2:15:04.560 I don't like calling your I don't like calling him 2:15:04.600 --> 2:15:08.960 your amounts. I like that Freedoms. So if you would 2:15:08.960 --> 2:15:13.200 like Freedom ount I've got a buddy I went to 2:15:13.280 --> 2:15:17.120 high school with that's in town, that does a bunch 2:15:17.160 --> 2:15:18.680 of them and then he'll he'll get them done and 2:15:18.680 --> 2:15:20.200 ship them to you. So then we don't have to 2:15:20.240 --> 2:15:22.080 like worry about the brain matter and all that stuff. 2:15:22.120 --> 2:15:25.480 It can be kind of really easy, like a painless 2:15:25.560 --> 2:15:29.800 deal for the getting everything back to him great Jordan 2:15:29.880 --> 2:15:32.600 bud Man, Yeah, that would be honest. She doesn't overbook 2:15:32.680 --> 2:15:36.880 the place. It's good hunting, get you all scored away, 2:15:36.960 --> 2:15:41.160 it's fun. Yeah, you're not mean to him, No, not 2:15:41.200 --> 2:15:46.640 most of the time. She hesitated. If you moved too much, 2:15:47.440 --> 2:15:49.560 she might be a little mean. I don't know, and 2:15:49.760 --> 2:15:52.200 and tell tell everybody again where he can go find you. 2:15:52.960 --> 2:15:55.520 Uh pray. Instagram is the best place at Jordan dot 2:15:55.520 --> 2:15:59.640 bud on the Instagram and uh, I think that's it. 2:16:00.040 --> 2:16:03.480 Running water Productions dot com is my media business until 2:16:03.520 --> 2:16:06.640 the outfitter business again. Running water Hunting dot com. Thanks 2:16:06.680 --> 2:16:08.880 for coming on, Thanks for having me. Man, he'll we 2:16:08.920 --> 2:16:32.480 get some business. Let's go people, all right, Thanks everybody,