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Speaker 1: one of my college teachers, but it has to do

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Speaker 1: with your story you just told. Cal just shared a

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Speaker 1: that fair? Yeah? Very fair. When I was in college,

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Speaker 1: insurance fraud. His greatest work accomplishment was he was working

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Speaker 1: of the back of his truck. That is not good

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Speaker 1: for your back. And he would approach the tailgate and

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Speaker 1: for aud photographer. Uh Phil, where that story? Yn? Uh Phil?

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Speaker 1: As we're sitting down here, picture this. I'm in this.

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Speaker 1: friend guys U thirty nine minutes fresh. This is five

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Speaker 1: minutes ago. So what's that add up to? Forty four

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Speaker 1: minutes fresh? Okay? A massive squirrel bust. Thanks to a

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Speaker 1: concerned citizen, Missouri Department of Conservation Agent M d C.

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Speaker 1: Missouri Department of Conservation Conservation agents Brad Hadley and Eric

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Speaker 1: Long were able to make contact with a large group

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Speaker 1: of non residents squirrel hunters in and around Current River

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Speaker 1: conser of Asian Area sixteen non resident squirrel hunters. The

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Speaker 1: group of sixteen had been hunting for two days and

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Speaker 1: harvested four hundred and seventy one squirrels. Anything of that, Karen,

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Speaker 1: hundred fifty one over the over the possession limit. We

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Speaker 1: did the math. It's fifteen squirrels per day, but the

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Speaker 1: not enough for you? There are five over each. That

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Speaker 1: looking at a bunch of like mink. But they're the

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Speaker 1: squirrels are all soaking wet. No, but they look like

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Speaker 1: they've been I disagree. Those the tails are like pointy

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Speaker 1: as I proved, it's just as clean to skin him

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Speaker 1: then dunk them. But he dunked them, and then and

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Speaker 1: So they're a hundred squirrels over the allowed possession limit.

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Speaker 1: All were cited for possession of over limit of squirrels

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Speaker 1: squirrel slaughter in Missouri joined today by Jordan. But Jordan,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about all that? Man? You know,

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Speaker 1: his facial expression. Oh, yeah, because we might have to

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Speaker 1: Have you ever got an awesome invitation like that? Somebody

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Speaker 1: Stand calendar was a huge success, and now he's just

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Speaker 1: I was revisiting every time I've been wrong. You almost

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Speaker 1: As as far as that made it, it's nine years old.

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Speaker 1: All right, so yeah, get tell us what happened now? Um?

424
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: So Yeah, we looked and looked and looked and kept

425
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: running into that you know, the five pack, and decided

426
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: to There's a couple of different ways you could have run.

427
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: It was one was just we were gonna decided we're

428
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: gonna push either push up way up into this drainage

429
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: in the country we hadn't been into yet, and started

430
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: looking and it was quite pretty amazing. Man, like these mountains.

431
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: I had hunted on them quite a bit um when

432
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: I lived in Colorado, but just I hadn't been in

433
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: these parts. And there was definitely parts where you're like,

434
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: you felt like you were in Alaska, just like big

435
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: subridges that were just crumbling, you know, hanging little glaciers

436
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: all over the place, and like I said, country that

437
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: was you can't just walk over. You know. You're like, well,

438
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: if you want to get back there, you have to

439
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: go all the way down then come up the drainage

440
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: and you know, really like route finding, you know. Anyways,

441
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: instead of doing that, we decided to back out and

442
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: then climb the net X ridge over and then just

443
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: glass back. And it was a huge glass. It's like

444
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: two miles. You're looking from point to point, which is

445
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, when you're looking for an animal, it looks

446
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: like the rocks that it's sitting in. It's a long

447
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: ways away, you know. So we started, we did a

448
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: lot of just one eyeball in through the spot and scope. Anyhow,

449
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: we climb up there. We glass twelve hours whatever it is,

450
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: daylight to almost dark, to the point where I'm like

451
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm done. We didn't see anything. Charlie let's go make camp.

452
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: So we're walking across this We're kind of on our shoulder.

453
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: We're walking across a bowl towards the bench where I

454
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: think we can find a flat spot, and I just

455
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: happened to look up and like eight yards away on

456
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: the horizon, like very dusky light, I see something out

457
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: of place glass, like, holy sh it, it's a ram.

458
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: And then right as I was I'm looking at him,

459
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: another ram like pops up behind him. And then they

460
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: quickly before we can get a spot and scope for

461
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: anything out on him, they kind of dropped towards us

462
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: and go left and disappear. So we watched the hills.

463
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: I told dark to make sure nothing. Pretty much made

464
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: camp right there in the morning. UM washed the hillside

465
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: for maybe the first thirty minutes. I wanted to let

466
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: the light come up because we we had the advantage

467
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: where the light was gonna someone's gonna come up at

468
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: our backs, and I figured, if we're gonna walk towards them,

469
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: it would be good, you know, maybe maybe we'll get

470
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: into slight advantage if they got the sun in their eyes.

471
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Hike up pretty much leave the trees hike up from

472
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. We must have been camping above eleven,

473
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: because I ended up shooting him at like twelve five.

474
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: So we hike up a thousand feet to where we

475
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: last saw him and see that there's they had kind

476
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: of and looking at the you know, on X map

477
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: on the phone, I could see that they had kind

478
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: of fed into these draws would looked like maybe a

479
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: little abbey shoots, and I figured there was grass in there,

480
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, And I figured that we had seen other

481
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: sheep kind of doing the same thing, like feeding down

482
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: into these abbey shoots in the morning, feeding back up

483
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: and then find a play. It's amongst the rocks to

484
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: spend the day. So we get to the first one

485
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: and kind of wrap around the hill through pretty big talents,

486
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, some stuff that's as big as a car.

487
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: The smaller stuff if you get one of those little runs,

488
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, it might get a little smaller like baseball,

489
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: you know size, and kind of creep around him. I

490
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: can see like the first abbey shoot kind of opening

491
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: up in front of me, and I'm looking for the grass,

492
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a roll of hill in front

493
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: of me. And I'm always preaching this like, you know,

494
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: take your time, because they could just be just over

495
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: that hill. So one step at a time, scan the

496
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: whole thing, take another step, but I keep ranging the

497
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: far side of the shoot, and then I'm getting to

498
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: where the far side of the shoots like a hundred yards,

499
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: eighty yards, seventy yards. I'm like, this is gonna suck,

500
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: because if they're in here, I'm gonna step on them

501
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna have a covey of sheep blowing

502
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: out of here and I'm gonna be forced to make

503
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: a decision, you know, which I didn't want to make

504
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: one like that. Well, luckily they're not in that one,

505
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: and right the country kind of opens up down below us.

506
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: It's almost like two shoots kind of met and kind

507
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: of bowled out a little bit. And I figured if

508
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: we went down just a little ways, like fifty yards,

509
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: we would be able to kind of look into this

510
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: other shoot from from down and kind of look back

511
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: up into it. And that move is all it took.

512
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: We got down there and I looked across and this

513
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: ram was actually in quotes, you know, looking at me.

514
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: He might have been like facing my direction when I

515
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: first saw him, and uh then he had four other

516
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: rams with him. Figured they were new rams. Well, part

517
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: of my mind saying they're new rams. Then the other

518
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: part of my mind that really wanted to kill a big,

519
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: big chocolate ram is like, that's him. He takes chocolate,

520
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: he's by himself, he's got fairly good drop. It looks

521
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: like it's going like I'm running all these things through

522
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: my mind. But what really like just like completely flipped

523
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: my brain was that I looked at the four pack

524
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: next to him, and I saw a ram with the

525
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: chip out of its horn. How you tell you this?

526
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: That the Okay? So the chocolate ram was running with

527
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: another mature ram had a giant chunk missing out of

528
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: his Yeah, like just very identifiable. So we named him

529
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Chocolate and Chip's cute. That's what I thought. We had

530
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: all kinds of names. We also started calling the big

531
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: one Willy Wonka and we're gonna go find him at

532
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: the chocolate factory. And I happened to be running with

533
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: a photographer named Charlie. So it's just really all you know,

534
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: any who. Uh. At that point, my mind's like, dude,

535
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: that's it, that he's the that's the chocolate Ram. You

536
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: need to kill him. And that kind of just went

537
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: into like automode, and it was I wish we could

538
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: have filmed that, uh because the next like two minutes

539
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: that it took once, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna

540
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: kill him. It was quite comical. So I go to

541
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: jack around in and I have my mag just packed full,

542
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes I feel like when it's packed full, it

543
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: just they don't want to feed quite right. And I'm

544
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: I think I jacked it too slow instead of just

545
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: like you know, really running the action. And so I

546
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: get the one halfway in, but then the one underneath

547
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: it was trying to like climb in there with it,

548
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like that, and so I just dropped the

549
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: mag you know, and just get all the bullets out

550
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: of there. So then I pitched like whatever they holds

551
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: four bullets, I think, off to my right, you know,

552
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: in the rocks, and man, I'm on this rock that's

553
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: like it's a big rock. It's like I don't know

554
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: half our table here, you know, it's like two by

555
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: four ft, but it's kind of sloped to pitch against

556
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: the hill and I'm trying to get my bipod on it,

557
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: and I actually had to come back on it so

558
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: that the bipod could drop lower, you know, but my

559
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: gun could still clear the top edge of the rock.

560
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: My feet are way above my head the position I'm

561
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: trying to get myself into, so I'm trying to like

562
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: half like use my backpack to like support my ribs,

563
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: but have it so that it's supporting my rear of

564
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: my gun too. And all week we've been brushing, busting

565
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: so much brush that every couple of days I was

566
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: like clearing out my chamber and my barrel because I

567
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: just felt like pine needles and stuff would drop been

568
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: in there. So when I put a bullet back in,

569
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I now go to close it. I feel it gets

570
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 1: kind of sticky, and I'm like, oh, it's not going

571
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: to close all the way, you know, So I pull

572
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: the bolt back real quick. I try just to like

573
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, fingernail that cartridge, and it's like stuck like

574
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: son of a bit, you know. So I got the

575
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: bench made out, I'm trying to like, you know, wiggle it.

576
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm just turning the gun, you know, right side up,

577
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: drop the bolt out, and banging on the recoil patch,

578
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: trying to get this thing to come out because I

579
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: don't want to fire it. Thinking that they're oh man,

580
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: it's like autopilot. And then just like full on flustered,

581
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: and uh, Charlie's like up the hill a little way.

582
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: So you know, I think he was excited to about it.

583
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: He just melted into the rocks. And I didn't want

584
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: to either help or make the situation worse. But it's

585
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: been really nice to have someone there to be like, dude,

586
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: just chill out for a second. So the thing finally

587
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 1: falls out, you know, and and I sit there and

588
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: take the bolt out, flip the gun backwards, put a

589
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: big puff of air through it, like blow whatever was

590
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: in there out of there, put my gun back together,

591
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: and every you know, ten seconds, some glass and just

592
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: to make sure that the herd's not running off, and uh,

593
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: get all set up. I just decided to put one

594
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: bullet in there, right and I'm like, okay, just take

595
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: a deep breath. And when he gives you like a

596
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: good bronze side shot, you know, it's like, of course,

597
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: he just like immediately gives me a broadside shot. There

598
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: was no like breathe into it. It was just like

599
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: there's a broadside shop. But I did range and I

600
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: did dial, which was really sweet. It was soon or

601
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: twenty yards. I think I had to dial either. I

602
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: think it was four m A. It was really nice,

603
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: just a hold dead on um. But it was funny

604
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: that I only had one bullet in because he kind

605
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: of spins. I get on him pretty quickly again, like

606
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: in seconds, and he's now he's facing me, and I'm

607
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: not seeing blood. I can't see him wobbling and like,

608
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: you better shoot him again. Click because I had cycled,

609
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't another bullet in there, and right

610
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: when I clicked clicked it, he started tumbling down the hill.

611
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, And then it was solid thirty minutes and

612
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: very emotional phone calls and uh celebration, you know, calling

613
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: the wife. But did you have like a little like

614
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: because he tumbles away from you, right, yeah, kind of

615
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: like did I make the right decision parallel or you

616
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: were already like now you mean to make the right

617
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: decision on shooting him, right, because not like you're once

618
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: in lifetime hunts over. Oh yeah for sure. Now I

619
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: was fourteen days into it, and so no, you're right.

620
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's totally bittersweet, man, Like you're like because

621
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: then you're just like looking around, You're like I might

622
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: not stand on this mountain ever again in my life.

623
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: You know what's gonna take me to twelve and a

624
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: half thousand feet again, you know, in these beautiful Colorado mountains,

625
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: and uh, it's bitter, sweet man, no doubt about it.

626
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: In general, I want to touch on this. You probably

627
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: felt it this summer, you know, going on in your

628
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: first dollar sheep hunt I assume was your first one.

629
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: But just like the pressure from the moment we were

630
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: all sitting in the airport together when I got the

631
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: phone call from hunting Full and They're like, you've got

632
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: a sheep tag, and like from that moment, that pressure

633
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: mounts and it's you know, I thought it'll kind of

634
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: go away once I'm in the field and I'm I'm

635
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: in the hunt, but it doesn't. It might change, but

636
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: it's still there. And so in a way, like killing him,

637
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the pressure is gone. Right, You're

638
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: not You're no longer a guy with the sheep tag.

639
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: You're just another hunter that now has an elk tag

640
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: in a bear tag in their pocket. And it's kind

641
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: it's kind of nice, but you do become a guy

642
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: with the sheep. You do become a guy with the sheep.

643
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Instead of a tag, you have v tag and there's

644
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: a differenceround and so much advice, good advice that comes through,

645
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: but pressure about finding the right one and if you're

646
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: don even find one or be successful, you know, and sure,

647
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm lucky to have a job. That's like, yeah, in

648
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: seasons a month long, don't take the whole month. But

649
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: if you really probably because I don't know, Mils lengthy.

650
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: My my gal is awesome and she's you know, happy

651
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: to see me go on big adventures like this, but

652
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's a that's a long time to take.

653
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: So you know, looking back on it, I'd say that

654
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: it all happened just right, you know, two weeks of

655
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: spending man unreal weather like seventy degree highs forty degree nights.

656
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: We were packing a tarp and didn't even set it

657
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: up half the time. We would just sleep under the stars,

658
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: you know. And that's I kept telling Charlie, who's for him.

659
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: It was his first time ever in any kind of

660
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: alpine country, so he's just blown away by the whole thing,

661
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, yeah, usually when you're up

662
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: here at eleven thousand plus, it's like when you see

663
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: the clouds starting to form and build. At eleven am,

664
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, we have two hours and then we

665
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: need to be descending. And you know, because anybody has

666
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: spent an afternoon in a thundershower at eleven thousand feet plus,

667
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: nobody wants to do that again. You're looking like down

668
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: at the lightning. Oh it sucks. Yeah, and when the

669
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: thunder booms, it's like it consumes you. You know. But

670
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: we had zero I mean we had like literally ten

671
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: rain drops, a few clouds here and there. Um. Yeah.

672
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: When I when I reset for the final push in there,

673
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: which only actually ended up being a couple of nights,

674
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: but I only went in with a bass layer and

675
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: my uncompagret puffy. That was it for top layers. No

676
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: rain jacket, no mid layer. The only thing I've been

677
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: used my mid layer force to build my little pillow

678
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: like I like to do. And I'm like, I can

679
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: survive without that, you know, no gloves, no beanies, just

680
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: using the hood on the jacket. You know. Um, super nice.

681
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: It's America for you, is I think they're doing that

682
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: in Tehran? It's perfect. Yeah, forty pound pack you know

683
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: when we were and that was with food in the

684
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: end with five days of food. That's great. Um, it's beautiful. Yeah,

685
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: it's quite the experience. I'm on a high. I'm on

686
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:24,959
Speaker 1: like a sheep conservation high, coincidentally, which would be leading

687
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: me to believe it won't last. Yeah. Well no, I

688
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: did a thing called the Landmark Form, which I think

689
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: I've mentioned to you and I was a kid. Yeah,

690
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: you know about landmark landmark? Yeah? Was it good for you? Interesting?

691
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: We'll have to discuss that. It's a it's a you

692
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: know Tony Robbins. Oh, it's like it's a you know

693
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: Tom Robbins itself. You don't know Tony Robbins with the

694
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: motivations of it. Um. So it's kind of like that

695
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: there's a there's a choreographer something named that too, might be.

696
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know a bottom until zero when zero Dark

697
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: thirty came out. They're riding a helicopter and someone asked

698
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: someone what he's listening to, says Tony Robbins. I thought

699
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: he's listening to like a choreographer. Then I looked it

700
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: up realized that it's a motivational dude. Yes, So when

701
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: you go do like a landmark form, thing at least

702
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: is how it was for me. You go there for

703
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: like a weekend, and you leave there and you're like

704
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: in a conk or the world, you know, and you're

705
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: with a group of people that are all like very

706
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: positive thinking at that point. But as you go back

707
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: to the regular world and then regular you know, downers

708
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: of the world, it kind of it slowly fades away.

709
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: So that's where I feel like I'm at with the

710
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: sheep on. But um coincidentally that the town nearby where

711
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: I was at is doing a big media project around uh,

712
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: the sheep that live in and amongst them, you know,

713
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: propagating them, keeping them around for the future. They've they

714
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: see challenges like a lot of you know, western town,

715
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: lack of winter range, too much development, et cetera. So

716
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: they contacted me to get a interview for the like

717
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: the hundreds perspective, which was great and I was, you know, happy,

718
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: happy to help out. That leads into we packed out

719
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: the whole cape on this animal and a sense of

720
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: great segue coming good from me or from you know,

721
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: I feel like you're building one up right my original plan.

722
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: You get you picking up on a Jordan's I don't

723
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: think so he's laying groundwork for big segue. I'm not

724
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna let you guys down. It ain't about rattlers. My

725
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: original plan with that we packed out the whole hide

726
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: and Charlie and I are now experts in uh in

727
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: full sheep capes. But I'm just gonna yarrow the head

728
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: because I've said this before and it just happened when Tracy,

729
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: our colleague, was in here. People look at that thing

730
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, Wow, that's cool, you know. I'm like, yeah,

731
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: pick it up. And when every it's it hasn't failed yet.

732
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: When someone picks that thing up, they are in utter

733
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: awe and then they feel the denseness and they the

734
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: weight of it all. So anyways, I just want to

735
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: have a euro amount. You can pass it, but you

736
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: want to be able to pass it around. Yeah. Through

737
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: the little bit of sheep hunting they have done of

738
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: come to know that sheepies are highly valuable. Once they're tan,

739
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: you're allowed to sell them. I'm guessing that people buy

740
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: them because there's got messed up because they're sheep tumbled

741
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: a thousand feet off a mountain or whatever. Someone cut

742
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of holes in it as they're trying to

743
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: make the hide, maybe the hair slip because you know,

744
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: who knows whatever, but that like you can get thousands

745
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: of dollars sometimes with very little effort. I sold a

746
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: doll cape for a thousand bucks or something like that.

747
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: We sold a big orang cape. We only called one

748
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: person sold the Bighorn Cape for six hundred bucks and

749
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: that was like one phone call and no actually looking

750
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: for a purchaser. Yeah. So I was thinking if first

751
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: well let's just tan it and then something we'll put

752
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: it on them old meat Eater auction, auction House of

753
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: Bodities and uh talking to Garrett Long and talking to

754
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: uh the tax nermists, They're like, you know, we might

755
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: be able to raise a little bit more money. We

756
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: just turn it into a full sheet mountain to a replica,

757
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: and I feel like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same one.

758
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: It's very happy with us, mentioning him in the last

759
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: podcast John Hayes Tex number tax rmy Yeah, and uh, anyway,

760
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: so we don't know exactly what's gonna happen yet with

761
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: that hide and all of it, but the plan is

762
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: to somehow sell it for as much money as we

763
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: can and then hopefully donated directly to like a wild sheep,

764
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: you know, either habitat or reintroduction, whatever it might be. Projects.

765
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: They make casts, so they make like replicate casts and

766
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing, like the colors and everything. So anyways,

767
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: get a replica made of it, get them stuffed with

768
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: the replica head on there and sell them. Uh, pointing

769
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: out the segwae thing. I'm gonna talk about that real quick. Okay,

770
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: uh oh another item in the Meat Eater Auction House

771
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: of Oddities. That's your segue. Yeah, it'll set up perfectly. Um.

772
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: Meat Eater Season ten, Part one is on Netflix now.

773
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: Starts out with I think the first episode is anelo

774
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: putting with Luke Hombs. So we're launching the Auction House

775
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: of Oodities, uh at the same time as the new

776
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: season comes up, right, because we've been talking about this

777
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: Auction House of Oddities for a long time. It's a

778
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a rolling thing. And here's some of

779
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: the things that will go into the rig. So as

780
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: the Auction House Ofbities, it's live now. The Auction House

781
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: Ofbalities is live now. Money raised for the Auction House

782
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: Ofbities we'll go into are like access Enhancement Initiative, what's

783
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: been called historically land Access Initiative the Land Act, not

784
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: Access Enhancement Initiative, the Land Access Initiative. We get there

785
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: both ways. I think either way it'll go into that

786
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: and that becomes a pool of funds that then CAL

787
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: will look at various projects and figure out what to

788
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: do with the pool of funds access initiative things. So

789
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: we've done the Shiloh Pon thing, UM done some stuff around,

790
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: raise some money recently in a different thing around supporting

791
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: our states, UM private land public Access program. We're gonna

792
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: raise a whole bunch of money with this thing. If

793
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: you go on the auction house. Now, Yannie's thing isn't

794
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: there yet. The sheep's out there. But we have a

795
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: signed guitar from Luke Combs, and Luke used the guitar

796
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: in concerts, right, So signed guitar from Luke Combs Country Star,

797
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: the giant Bucky Bowl. So, Mike Buck Bowden, who's been

798
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: on the show, been on this podcast, he was in

799
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: the Close Calls audio book, he's been on Me Eat

800
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: a couple of times. He made us a giant birch

801
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: burrel bowl. Um. That bowl is in the auctionalite of odities.

802
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: Right now, we have a bottle of skunk essence that

803
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: me and Seth extracted from skunks with a hyperdermic needle.

804
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna use it in an act of vengeance.

805
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: I haven't identified a target. So if you've identified Yanni

806
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: hasn't starting never mind, it's too late. You'll have to

807
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: be You'll have to be on it because right now

808
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: it's pinned to the outside of my garage. I had

809
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: in our guest house, but my wife could smell it there,

810
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: so I pinned it to the outside of my garage.

811
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna rebottle it and you can buy ounce of

812
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: Pierre Montana skunk essence. UM. I bought a needle from

813
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, like a syringe for injecting cattle. You know

814
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, Jordan Um. But instead of injecting something,

815
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: we took something. By the way, suck that skunk smell

816
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: right out of there. A meatcraft or knife. Would that

817
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: dude sell one on eBay f or we did a

818
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: We did a limited run knife of the bench made

819
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: called the meat craft, and there I don't know, people

820
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: complaining about how expensive they were, but some dude just

821
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: sold one on eBay and it had like forty one

822
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: bids and went for fifteen or sixteen hundred bucks. There's

823
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: something like it's crazy. He was excited to get the knife.

824
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: He had the knife, and then it was like, boy,

825
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: I just have this nice knife sitting around I should

826
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: just try to get my money back out of it.

827
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: And then he felt so guilty with how high a

828
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: price was. Right he wrote in a letter that you bad.

829
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: You wanted to donate the money. We talked about it

830
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: and feeling guilty, and then you wanted to donate a

831
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: bunch of the money to a conservation group was looking

832
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: for guidance on how to spend which I'll tell you

833
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: if that's not a good indication of the quality of

834
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: folks we have uh intermingling with us, so that I mean,

835
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: come on, those are awesome people. Also in the auction

836
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: house is the tale of Yanni's very first pheasant. If

837
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: you're a fly tire, just I don't think that that's

838
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: necessarily an old pheasant, because I only killed my first

839
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: peasant and two falls ago. Yeah, and whoever get whoever

840
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: buys that thing, you know you can check it out

841
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: and put it on your wall off for a little bit,

842
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: but you should also tie some flies out of it.

843
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: I think press it to the front of your very

844
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: own cowboy hat, you know. And there's the season ten package.

845
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: So if you if you watch the show the first

846
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: five episodes, which you're up now, we pulled items from

847
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: those episodes, okay, and it's in a package called the

848
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: Season ten package. In that string of episodes, you'll see

849
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: me and Yanni and Clay Newcomb hunting raccoons with the

850
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: hound dogs Clay's dogs, and we get a raccoon val

851
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: raccoons and mngus. That raccoons hide is back from the tannery.

852
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: That very raccoon is in the season ten package. The

853
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: backpack I wear all throughout the stone graacier backpack I

854
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: wear all throughout the season is in the season ten package.

855
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: In the season I used to FHF bin no harnesses

856
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: a brown one in a blaze orange one, both of

857
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: their those are in the season ten package. Clay Newcombs

858
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: ROSSI four ten wild West six Shooter four ten gun

859
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: I thinks what they call it is in the season

860
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: ten package. You'll see Clay shoot a squirrel off his

861
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: mule with that gun. Clay's Ratlin antlers from the Texas

862
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: Deer episode is in the package. I actually broke a

863
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: time off. If you're watching the show, you can see

864
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: the time fly off into the bushes. Those ratlin antlers

865
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: are in there, and we talked about those rattling antlers.

866
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: And the antelope skull that I kill on the episode

867
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: with Luke Combs is in the season ten package. And

868
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: you'll know it's guaranteed because it's a weird ass look

869
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: at antelope. So when you watch, it's like, that's a

870
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: weird antelope, and when you get the box you'll be like,

871
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: that's the same damn antelope. They didn't like slip some

872
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: the coon. I could see you being like, I don't know, man,

873
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: maybe they've pulled a fast one with the raccoon. But

874
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: I would look at bullet placement. The antelope skull is

875
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: dead nuts. No fast one. No, there's no fast one

876
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: anywhere in here. But there's no possibility of a fast one.

877
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: I got you got my carving knives in there on

878
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: that list. They're not yeah, but they're down. It's it's

879
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: a long refreshes, it refreshes all the time. I think

880
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: it's important to know that there's uh as current's notes

881
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: here say there's many auction phases. Yeah, so items go up,

882
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: they sit for two weeks, and then another block of

883
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: items goes up. We have original artwork, all kinds of

884
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: stuff coming up. We have stuff clear into December. This

885
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: is just like the initial thing, and then stuff comes in.

886
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Peter Alonzo baseball player, He's sending in a bat and

887
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: a helmet signed, batted jersey signed. Some dudes from the

888
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers are sending stuff signed Jersey. I have a

889
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: commissioned piece of artwork that I'm getting of wolves ripping

890
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: the guts out of a buffalo that's still standing in there.

891
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: And when that's done, a print will go into the

892
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: auction house of oodities. But we also have original artwork.

893
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: Uh Kelsey Johnson original bighorn sheep painting that auto tickle

894
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: Yanny's fancy. You know, I'm thinking I'm thinking about, you know,

895
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: people want to do uh mounts or replicas or whatever.

896
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about asking her to paint it, yeah, or

897
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: maybe just sketch it. Maybe just do like a black

898
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: and white of that ramp standing on the side of that.

899
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: Then we'll put a print of that in the auction

900
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: house and maybe you on that rock with your gun

901
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: pointed in the sky, try and banging it live live

902
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: rounds laying next year. As for that guitar, here's a

903
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: quick He's not in the studio with us right now,

904
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: but um here here's a quick uh convo with Luke

905
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: about the guitar. Just so you know what you're getting

906
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: into when you go donate on this, Kayler, you tell

907
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: everybody about the guitar. He man, we got some guitars

908
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: in my manager's office. When somebody calls, go in, rip

909
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: a couple of tunes on it, myself, sign it, send

910
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: it in. Uh So get away. Man. There you have

911
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: to go to the meat Eater auction house of Boys

912
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: and find a guitar been played by Luke holmbs up

913
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: for auction now and remember the five dollars Neil and

914
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: Chester comes and plays the guitar too, sings some Chester

915
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: who who poo poo there it is I remember. When

916
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: the auction is closed, the winning bitter on Luke's guitar

917
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: can decide to kick in an extra five grand and

918
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: Chester the divester formally known as Chester the Tester, Chester,

919
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: the mole Lester, Chester, the investor who then divested and

920
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: became Chester the Divester. Chester will hand deliver the guitar

921
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: to your door and sing that crazy coyote song he's

922
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: always singing. Who Yep Woo Yep boo, and the cow

923
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: Boys says, if that's not worth five grand, listen, it's

924
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a quick trip. It's gonna be weird. It's

925
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: gonna be weird for everybody. But Chester is gonna come

926
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: into your house. He's gonna sit down. You can have

927
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: any people you want to have over over. Chester will

928
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: sing that song, and the cole says, who You're gonna

929
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: have the nicest person in the world sitting at your house.

930
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: If you got dirty dishes in the sink, I guarantee

931
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: you'll do You'll probably do him. He's gonna walk out

932
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: of your house. He's gonna walk out of your life.

933
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: He's gonna go back to the airport and go back

934
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: to where he came from. But you can you'll know

935
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: when he's coming. You can invite people over and Chester

936
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: will play Luke Combs guitar and that's not the that's

937
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: not the first time Chester has played one of loose guitars.

938
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: That's right. You will see in the season if you

939
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: haven't watched it already. That well, Luke played some music,

940
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: but a bunch of guys sat around playing Luke's guitars,

941
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: and Chester did John Prine's Uh, cal you weren't there you? Yeah,

942
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: we can't remember what it was. Fishing whistle, No it's

943
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: um Oh shucks, Peabody's Coultrane. No, we'll come back to it,

944
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: finger finger picking song, he picks it. Oh, we'll come

945
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: back to her. Phil You know what, let's find out

946
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: what it is. We just plugged that song in, yeah,

947
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: and it plugged me in saying it like I've remembered gesture.

948
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, this is Chester the Divestor, formerly known as

949
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: Chester the Investor, and this is the song It's all

950
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: the Best by John Prine. Say you drive a Chevy,

951
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: Say you're driving Ford. Say you drive around this county.

952
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: You just get bored, Then you change your mind something

953
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: else to do, Then your heart gets bull you change

954
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: It's man. Wish you happy, man, because I wish our

955
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: very own Samantha Bates declared Chester the nicest person in

956
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: the world. I think that prompts me to wonder who

957
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: was second. I got to four and still hadn't made

958
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: the list and I gave up. I'm like, okay, but

959
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: who's the fourth nicest person that says that? Just like

960
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: did I made the top three? I'm sorry. That's why

961
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: you have kids, at least for the first ten years

962
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: of their lives. They'll always give you that number one

963
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: spot on that subject. If you watch the new episodes

964
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: and have a question about what you're seeing or about

965
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: Chester the Divester, that's the beast. I wish I had

966
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: thought of that. Who thought a Chester the Divester. That's

967
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: actually Phil Listen. I wish I could take credit. It

968
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: was not me. I don't know who. I mean, it

969
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: would have been bod Brand for you. I felt like

970
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: we talked about that before I wrote it, But then

971
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I thought that. I thought that it

972
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: was in my head. I thought Chester the Divester was

973
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: brand new. That's great. Uh. If you have questions about

974
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: what you see on the show, right in UM two

975
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: to our our our man Corey to reach him meat

976
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: Eater at the meat eater dot com. I don't know

977
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: subject line, just put a question mark or something and

978
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: then we'll get to that question. Uh, Jordan's what do

979
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: you think about that auction house? It looks pretty stacked.

980
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: I like that. That should be a slogan for it. Stacked.

981
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah sounds good. Here's a crazy ask news story, Um Hanks, Joe,

982
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to you big time. I don't understand

983
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: this story. What about it? I just don't know, Like,

984
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't get it. So some guys just killed at

985
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: five inch alligator pounds Eagle Lake, close to the Mississippi

986
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: Louisiana border. They bring it to a processor. Okay, processor

987
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: goes to butcher the gator. This processor always likes to

988
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: take a gander and see what is in the stomach.

989
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: You following, kel, What are you doing something different? Are

990
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: you not entertained? He likes to look in the stomach contents.

991
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: Calory knows the story. Bone. He always finds bones, hair, feathers,

992
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: and he finds stones. But in this one he finds

993
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: some unusual stones. It just doesn't make sense. This alligator

994
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: has in his stomach two stone projectile points. Well, no one,

995
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: they don't know that the other one is a projectile point. Yeah,

996
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: but it's a sorry take away, Johnny, I was just

997
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: just adding a little bit. But yeah, I think it

998
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: makes total sense. Explain to me how that makes sense.

999
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: Anthropologists estimates that that projectile points style was from five

1000
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: to six thousand years ago. Correct, And you should know

1001
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: that alligators don't live that long. But it says that

1002
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: they he's got no pockets. When he finds that he's

1003
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: got no pockets, where else is he going to keep it?

1004
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he was in the water bottom they of course

1005
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: it was. But they take in rocks for the same

1006
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: reason that birds do. If you read the whole article, right,

1007
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: they use it to grind up well, and I got talking.

1008
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: Were you not entertained? Listen, man, you don't I think

1009
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: that's true. No, I didn't have time to read the

1010
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: whole article. I got talking about something. So I think

1011
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: it's it's coincidental that he happened to grab. But it's

1012
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: it's not so coincident with dental as because it might

1013
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: happen to a chicken too, that they picked up like

1014
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: a very small bird point right, and mistook it for

1015
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: some small piece of gravel and put it in their gizzard.

1016
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: But chicken only lives five years, right, alligators live? Come on, Oh,

1017
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: I was even thinking longer, like some of these critters

1018
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: are really old. Yeah, the one in the one in

1019
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: Florida that they've been pumping up. I want to say

1020
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: it was like forty something. So he is he has

1021
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: ingested lots of rocks over the course of his life

1022
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: or her life. I don't know if it was a

1023
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: female um alligator, but uh so, you know, I don't

1024
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: know if it's hundreds or whatever, but like there's a

1025
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: higher likelihood that he's going to have a projectile point

1026
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: is belly than a than than a chicken? Right Here's

1027
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: but it's still it's uncanny. It is there's two of them,

1028
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: So you play like you're an alligator, okay, and you

1029
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: walk out and go pick up a handful of rocks

1030
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: and then we'll check what you got. Okay. It's like,

1031
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: what are the odds gonna be? Like, Oh, look I

1032
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: picked up into the arrowhead. Yeah, it's uncanny. It's someone

1033
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: canny in fact that we're covering it here today. Well,

1034
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: it's really nuts that there's two of them. We hope

1035
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: no one lied, but you know, you'd want to know

1036
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: where he's hanging out Eagle Eagle Lake. I don't know

1037
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: what the the piece of it's like a tear drop shape.

1038
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: It's called a plummet, and uh scientists don't know exactly

1039
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: what purpose is served, which is interesting. Fficient sinker, that's

1040
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: what it looks like. That's what you think. It's like

1041
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: an ancient You got two holes in it, but the

1042
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: holes don't go all the way through. It's very I

1043
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: should have read that article. Interesting. Did I be doing

1044
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: such a better job as a host right now? If

1045
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: I'd read that article, I'd be tearing it up. I'd

1046
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: be like, one would think it was efficient sinker, but

1047
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: the holes don't go all the way through. Instead, I'm like,

1048
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: it's a fision sinker. Oh, you guys, remember what um

1049
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: so a stomach rock, which is what we're talking about,

1050
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,479
Speaker 1: versus uh rock that's already been through the stomach, which

1051
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: is called what it's gastro light or gastro lift. And

1052
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: one one is currently in the stomach, well, the other

1053
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: one is passed through the stea. Did you know that

1054
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: from reading the article? No? I know. I knew that

1055
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: because old outfit or buddy of mine and I'm always

1056
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: talking about, had some gastro gastro lights. I can't remember

1057
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: which one's which. That's the problem. It's like sleigh tights

1058
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: of slag mites, man right exactly, like hanging right and

1059
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: mites going up. So a rock that has passed through

1060
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: the stomach is a gastro lift or gastro light I

1061
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: can't remember, but yeah, that's what that's the name for him.

1062
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: Great story, though I read it afterwards, I feel like

1063
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm fairly checked out on it now. Yeah. So the

1064
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: American alligator, Uh, there's some odd balls to this, but

1065
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: we're typically like a max of years yeah, yeah, but yeah,

1066
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, one thing I kicked around was like we

1067
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: always call them dinosaurs, right, it's like living dinosaurs, living

1068
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: fossils whatever, and they like, yeah, they do exist in

1069
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: the fossil record, but like the American alligator that was

1070
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: here during the time of the dinosaurs was like thirty

1071
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: five ft long. It was a little Differently do they do,

1072
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, if they travel far distances in their lifetime

1073
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: or stay relatively local, because then maybe Steve will go

1074
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: check out that water bottom. Yeah, no home bodies. Yeah,

1075
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, they moved with high water, so they dispersed

1076
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: like kind of similar to beavers Eagle Lake. Ye, see

1077
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: me run around the arrowhead and necklace even though you

1078
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: know where I've been, I don't want those Meglodon teeth too,

1079
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: thank you. We covered I'm gonna try to do this

1080
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: one quick. We covered how like seeing orange surveyor's tape

1081
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: out in the woods and how it's I think it's unsightly,

1082
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: so we guys like tear it off and put in

1083
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: your pocket. Got a couple of letters from people pointing

1084
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: out why that's a stupid idea. A surveyor so someone

1085
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: from the Forest Service, guy from the BLM talked about

1086
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: don't just indiscriminately ripped down surveyor's tape. It's often there

1087
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: because we're doing work. We're like marking timber, we're laying

1088
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: out trail or corridors. We've paid people to go in

1089
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: and place said orange tape. And you responded with, well

1090
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: that's not what I was talking about, and that yeah,

1091
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: I yeah, so stand cracted um. And then they also

1092
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 1: had some examples of when they've put up a bunch

1093
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: of orange tape for a purpose and paid to get

1094
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: it put there, and then they come back and it

1095
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: is because someone done them the favor of taking it down.

1096
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: So bear it at mine only if it leads to

1097
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: a wallow? Should you if it leads to a wallow,

1098
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: or you watch it for ten years and it sort

1099
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: of starts to fade and turn white and drip onto

1100
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: the ground something. But then there's also apparently biodegradable flagging

1101
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: tape yeah, which one person encourages folks to buy instead

1102
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: of the plastic. Way back in the hunter safety days,

1103
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: they always said consider using toilet paper for flagging because

1104
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: then that that degrades over time. People like, no, why

1105
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: would that guy poop up in that tree? Uh, Cal's

1106
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: dog almost died? Talk about that call. So it's all

1107
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: controversial and like, the more I read into it covers yes,

1108
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: so like flat out from multiple sources, Oh, dogs don't

1109
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: die from rattlesnake bites. It's like, oh, it's an anomaly

1110
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: if a dog all my years of being VAT only

1111
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: had one dog die and that got bit right on

1112
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: the throat and it was an airway issue, not there's

1113
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: a swelling airway issue. And then um, the treatment side

1114
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: of and venomation gets uh even gets into some controversy

1115
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: as well. It's like anti venom and the production of

1116
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: anti venom type products on the market are very limited

1117
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: and they're very expensive and do they work? And it's

1118
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: it's been pretty fascinating studying up on this stuff because

1119
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: it all comes down to these biological factors that like

1120
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: will never know. It's like the dog. So my dog,

1121
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: for instance, I've been around a lot of dead and

1122
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: dying animals, and I'll tell you I was seeing many

1123
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: signals and signs where I was like, Okay, prepare yourself,

1124
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: this is this is, this is going this direction. I've

1125
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: seen kel lose a dog. Yeah, damn here, it's not

1126
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't take it easy, and I'm assisty

1127
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to those dogs. And um, so snort

1128
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: got bit right on the ear, uh, which is uh,

1129
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't as bad as what's happening to it right now.

1130
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: It was less traumatic. I'll take the rattles. It was

1131
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: less traumatic. Um And uh So this dog made her

1132
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: biological system. She may be like a little more predisposed

1133
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: to react to anti coagulants, which rattlesnake venom contains an anticoagulant,

1134
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: and she bled profusely like it's a highly vascular area.

1135
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: Ears bleed like crazy. But this like bled to the

1136
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: point where I had serious trouble stopping it bleeding out

1137
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: of the fang holes. Yes, or did it like swell

1138
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: up so much the blood was coming other places. Well,

1139
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: eventually both of those things. But I mean, think of

1140
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: how tiny rattlesnake fangs are. Like we're talking like little

1141
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: tiny pin pricks. But the uh you know, necrotic uh

1142
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: factors and venom uh made the meat around those little

1143
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: tiny pin pricks start to deteriorate fast. And then the

1144
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: swelling was almost instantaneous. And uh she started bleeding out

1145
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: of another spot on her ear and developed like this

1146
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: giant puss pocket. And then the hair it was like

1147
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: like actively falling, like actively falling off, like sping off

1148
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: her ear. And this is on what kind of amount

1149
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: of time. So she got bit just a little prior

1150
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: to eleven am, and she ran back to me at

1151
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: heel and had one little drop of blood on her ear.

1152
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: You didn't even know that she had been dead. I didn't.

1153
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: I walked over to confirm that it was in fact

1154
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: a rattlesnake, even though I was like, I know what

1155
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: this is because you saw her ear bleeding. Yes, So

1156
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: I was walking out. She was within my line of sight,

1157
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: but I wasn't paying attention to her. I saw her

1158
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: turn go yep, oh, I see and come back to me,

1159
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, in a very casual fashion. But the thing

1160
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 1: is like I was well within even my poor hearing

1161
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: distance of the snake, and the snake hadn't rattled or

1162
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: anything like that, which kind of leads into this other

1163
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory of rattlesnakes. It's like people are selectively harvesting

1164
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: snakes that rattle. So if you're an indiscriminate rattlesnake killer,

1165
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 1: you're finding snakes that rattle and then killing those snakes,

1166
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: leaving the snakes that do not rattle, and they think

1167
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: they're driving natural selection. Yes, there's all sorts of stuff

1168
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: out there. I would I would like you to take

1169
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: that one to half a finger. I will half finger

1170
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: will say like, it don't quite work that way. I

1171
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: will tell you. I will tell you man. There's there's

1172
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: an endless amount of people that care about their dogs.

1173
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: Um so there's a lot of service to be done

1174
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: on the house and wives of this stuff. I don't

1175
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: want to keep a pamphlet be like, so your dog

1176
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: up bit by rattlesnake? Yeah? Can I interest you in

1177
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: a pamphlet? Because people love pamphlets. Um, So you started

1178
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: swelling up what you do or the standard operating procedure

1179
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: for a rattlesnake bite victim is make them calm, reduce

1180
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 1: the heart rate. Ideally you're gonna have that bite area

1181
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: below the heart. Um, and and like go ahead and

1182
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: use are below the heart, below the heart so it's

1183
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 1: not like you're the R E. S T type of

1184
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: acronym or rice rather rest ice compression elevation. Um. Yeah,

1185
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: no one ever tells you to lower something down right, right,

1186
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: So you want to like use gravity to keep uh

1187
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: the venom far from the heart and the really yeah,

1188
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: so did you cut an axe and suck the venom out? Kal? No? No,

1189
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean part of me was like, do

1190
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: I just go full western here and cut this ear

1191
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: off right now? Um? But then I determined that if

1192
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: the dog is going to die, I'd much rather here

1193
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: think that uh it was the snake that killed her

1194
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: than me. Yeah, she'd go to the gravy and like that. Friends,

1195
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: we had a good thing going. Um. So yeah, so

1196
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: it took nine hours to get her to the vat

1197
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: and because you were away the hell yeah way, I

1198
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: mean way the way the hell I mean like gates

1199
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: and flat tires and busted trailers and all this like

1200
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: horrible comedy of errors that just like you know and

1201
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: just feel guilty because you know it's your job to

1202
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: take care of these things. So by the time she

1203
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: got to actual medical care, she had kind of gone

1204
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: through these spells of being like very much not okay,

1205
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: two oh oh, the dog's gotta acting fine too, then

1206
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: very much not like oh, I recognize this, this isn't good.

1207
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: So then um, ultimately, how I got the bleeding to

1208
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: like subside a little bit is I got a a

1209
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: quick clot package like Doug that that was like my

1210
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: last thing. I used every bit of material in my

1211
01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: first aid kit and uh and got that like plastered

1212
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: to her ear, her ear plastered to her head. Ah,

1213
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, like that ear is like if

1214
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: you if you like waved a feather on that thing,

1215
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: that dog would like scream as if she was being skewered.

1216
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: And it was just hor endous deal. But we had

1217
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: this situation where she was like kind of going into shock.

1218
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: So UH had a super highly elevated heart rate, had

1219
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: lost a bunch of blood. The her overall ability to coagulate.

1220
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: Her blood's ability to coagulate was basically like not existing

1221
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: at that point and then like things just kind of

1222
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: got more complicated. We were nine plus hours out from

1223
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: when she got hit by the snake. A lot of

1224
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: folks that you talked to, you say, like an event

1225
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: AND's the most effe acted within two hours? And then

1226
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: you have this like law diminishing returns and it's very

1227
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:12,799
Speaker 1: expensive stuff. Um, and a dog this size, she's forty

1228
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: seven pounds. She she probably would have been hit with

1229
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: like four doses of antivenom and their four hundred and

1230
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: the type that she had is not like the crazy

1231
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: expensive stuff and it's still four hundred and some dollars

1232
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: a bag. So this is ivy um solution that's that's

1233
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: pre frozen. So we kind of have this this talk

1234
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: of like should she actually get this stuff? It's like

1235
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: hard to get some years. It's just like non existent. Um.

1236
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: It's it can be kind of controversial because it's like

1237
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: places that have money, can you get it? Um? Because

1238
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: you know, but also it's like a supply and demand

1239
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: thing too. It's like places that don't have a lot

1240
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: of money probably don't have a lot of people that

1241
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: are going to pay for it anyway. UM. And so

1242
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, I got her up to sun Valley Animal

1243
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: Hospital in in Hailey, Idaho, where my previous dog that

1244
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the big Fish, received care and I really

1245
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: liked those folks, so UM got her up there after

1246
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: calling going through towns and calling that offices and having

1247
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: people be like nope, don't bring her here, because I

1248
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, doctors went home. Really well, I

1249
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: understand why would they not want the dog in there?

1250
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't know. I do not know.

1251
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: So you're like, my dog got bit by rattlesnake, it

1252
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: might be dying, and they'd say yep, they're like, oh sorry,

1253
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: it's so weird, like too much for them to deal with,

1254
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: too much for them to deal with too late in

1255
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: the day, like they must not take like whatever the

1256
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: Hippocratic oath is or something for dog people man um,

1257
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: And but I mean also keep mind, like there's a

1258
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: lot of folks that I've talked to you here like

1259
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: oh yeah, dogs don't die from from rattlesnake bites. Right,

1260
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well, overblown. And I bumped into a

1261
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: cowboy on the way out, super nice dude who's like, hey,

1262
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: how's going because I told you we trespassed through this

1263
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: ranch to do that sheep hunt and uh, so, like

1264
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: I felt obligated to stop and talk to this guy,

1265
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: even though was the last thing I wanted to do. Like, hey,

1266
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: dog got bit by rattlesnake. He's like, oh, yeah, one

1267
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: of my dogs got bit earlier this year. Um god,

1268
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember the exact words he used,

1269
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: but they were fantastic. But little cow dog about the

1270
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: size of Snort anyway, got bit on the leg um, which,

1271
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: as he can imagine, the legs a lot easier to

1272
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: keep below the heart than the ear is. And uh,

1273
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I got real serene for a while

1274
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: or something like that was interesting choice of words. But

1275
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: the dog got real, real mellow for a while. Then

1276
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: she lost a bunch of flesh, but now she's fine,

1277
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: you know. And that he didn't even consider trying to

1278
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: get that dog all the way out of there to

1279
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: a vet. Um, and that that does happen quite a bit. Um,

1280
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: And everybody thinks they're dogs super special. I obviously think

1281
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: this dog is very special, but from what I saw

1282
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: special come on, so uh, I gotta take Snort home

1283
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: with an ivy bag full of fluids, uh, and my

1284
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: my place and catch him was vacant at the time,

1285
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: so I gotta run up there and camp out on

1286
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: the floor, which is exactly how I moved into the

1287
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: police I would have slept at the bat. I was like, Oh,

1288
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 1: here's the deal. If you guys aren't gonna monitor overnight,

1289
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: I will. Um. So, but they sent me home with

1290
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: an ivy bag, gave me the MA math on what

1291
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: they wanted with the anti venom stuff in it. Not

1292
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: with anti venom at that point, because like we have

1293
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: this talk and there's this discussion of where she's at,

1294
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: like near shock. The number one thing that we need

1295
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: to do is reduce your heart rate. There are some

1296
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: side effects that are possible with anti venom, and it

1297
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: could be negative enough to kill the dog. In the

1298
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: state that she's in. It's possible. Um. And then we

1299
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: had just like this horrible night where I was trying

1300
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: everything I could to make the dog comfortable, the dogs

1301
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:33,719
Speaker 1: like very much uncomfortable. UM doing like a lot of

1302
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: again like dying dead dog, things like trying to get

1303
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: up and move and then quitting and then like oh,

1304
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 1: remembering that it had to be somewhere and then quitting

1305
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: and all these things. So eventually I unhooked her from

1306
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: the ivy and she just crawled out laid on my

1307
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: chest and I was like, all right, like this is

1308
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: the way you want to go out, This way I

1309
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: want to go out type of thing. And we both

1310
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: slept for like an hour and a half. And at

1311
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: this point, her head is swollen like all the way,

1312
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: like one eye is totally swollen over. Um. She's in

1313
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 1: a lot of pain, a lot of discomfort. Her neck

1314
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: is fully swollen down into her chest, and then anywhere

1315
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: where that adema is where that swelling is is also

1316
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: very very sore like, and she's like screams to the

1317
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,879
Speaker 1: touch of it, and uh yeah, it was just just crappy.

1318
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: But then I get up and the folks at the

1319
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: vet office were awesome and they're like, yeah, we just

1320
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: just come in at eight am, so brought her in

1321
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: and and then they gave me their phone numbers too.

1322
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, check her heart rate every hour and

1323
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: if it gets if it hits two, call me and

1324
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: we'll we'll come down and see what we can do

1325
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: type of thing. And so, you know, dogs have fast

1326
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: heart rate and and I'm digging around for femeral artery

1327
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: trying to get her pulse and it's just like very

1328
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: feathery and just like not a good not a good

1329
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: strong feel to it, and it's just ripping. And so

1330
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm spending like forty minutes checking the pulse right because

1331
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to do averages to see like where

1332
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: we're ending up, and uh eventually get her down to

1333
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: the vat they have. It is the busiest VETS office

1334
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. There's people freaking everywhere. It's super busy,

1335
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 1: and they basically just like clear us out a spot

1336
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of like this all purpose room where

1337
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: it's like business administration going on. In this corner, UH

1338
01:21:55,240 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: docs writing notes on there animal patients, in this owner

1339
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: there's a little uh clinic table and then like snort,

1340
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: and I just sitting there and every twenty minutes somebody

1341
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:15,480
Speaker 1: swings in there like Okay, how are we doing? And um,

1342
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: her body is not absorbing any of those fluids. She's

1343
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,879
Speaker 1: not really drinking, she's really not want to eat anything.

1344
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: She's not she's got no outs, you know, No, she's

1345
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: not pn she's not poop on even though like they

1346
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 1: like ultrasound or bladder and she's like, yeah, she should

1347
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: really want to pee um to the point where they

1348
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: were gonna try to catheterize her, but they didn't want to,

1349
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, like that's not a painless process, and but

1350
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: they can't put her under because that could kill her too.

1351
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 1: At that point, and then they're they're constantly like analyzing

1352
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: her blood and what was really really wild is her

1353
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: blood becomes so protein to efficient that it's actually like

1354
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: sucking the protein out of her muscles. And so it

1355
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: is just the wildest thing man. In In twenty four hours,

1356
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,759
Speaker 1: she has like lost noticeable muscle mass around her hips

1357
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: and it's and she's like a bony you know, like

1358
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: looks like a neglected dog and um. And at that point,

1359
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: the doc, uh, because as you guys know, I like

1360
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: to ask a lot of questions. The doc comes in

1361
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: and she's like, hey, I researched this study on otters

1362
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: mustelids where they found uh, you know, benefits to anti

1363
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: venom out to the twenty four hour period. She's like,

1364
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 1: I think we have to try it at this point

1365
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 1: because her blood is just like not good and again,

1366
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: like her bodies not absorbing any of the fluids in

1367
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: the in the ivy, so like all the things, and

1368
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: she won't eat and drink and all the stuff, so

1369
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: nothing's really going our way. Um, so I'm like, yeah,

1370
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's give it a shot. And so

1371
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: it was just really really wild that one bag of

1372
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: anti venom um you could kind of see like almost

1373
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: almost immediate effects. And it was really funny, like all

1374
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: the people at the vet clinic would like keep bringing

1375
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: by treats, like different dog treats, so we had like

1376
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,560
Speaker 1: cat food and cat treats and super fancy like paleo

1377
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: dog treats, and oh you know, down to like just

1378
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: fat you know, like beef trim fat dog you know,

1379
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: like canned dog food stuff all the things, and everybody

1380
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: would be like, well, maybe she'll like that, and maybe

1381
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: she'll like this, and the dogs like not into any

1382
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: of it, and then she starts like eating a little bit,

1383
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: and then you could kind of trigger with some Pavlovian

1384
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: type responses, so like if you drop dog food on

1385
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: the floor and your dogs like, oh, I gotta get that.

1386
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: So I could like drop some dog food in front

1387
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: of her and be like tink tink tink on the

1388
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: table and she'd be like ah and eat like a

1389
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: piece of kibble. It'd be like a piece of kibble

1390
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: and a piece of kibble. So then um, yeah, she

1391
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,879
Speaker 1: started kind of coming around on that stuff. And again

1392
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: like it's really wild. So she got bitten. Probably she

1393
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: got bitten by a great Basin rattlesnake, which the state

1394
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: of Idaho doesn't even recognize as like the snake for

1395
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: that region. But and and like the research that I did,

1396
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: you know, it was really like surveys from as far

1397
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: as rattlesnakes go. And and talking with Dr Bob Reid,

1398
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: who we've had on the show, Um, he's like, yeah,

1399
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 1: that's what those surveys would have set because we weren't

1400
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: quite into dividing out what rattlesnake is what at that point.

1401
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: And um, so the anti venom that she got isn't

1402
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 1: even based off of the venom that she received, but

1403
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: like from what I saw, like that's the thing that

1404
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: like turned things around. Um, but that's you know, it's

1405
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: like a generalized serum basically, like you take this very

1406
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: general venom and this very general venom from these two

1407
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 1: different snakes, and then you combine them in a sheep,

1408
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: and then you take the antibodies that that sheep makes,

1409
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: and then you create anti venom off those antibodies. But

1410
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: all that was just yeah, incredibly interesting and and uh,

1411
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's like we had like this monumentous occasion

1412
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: when like myself and this vet tech Sarah walked the

1413
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: dog around and all of a sudden she peed and

1414
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: pete and pete and pete and bed and it was

1415
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: like a holy sh it moment, you know. I was like,

1416
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: oh my God, thank God, like something good happened, you know.

1417
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: And then yeah, just like lots of rest, and then

1418
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 1: it was like a holy ship she ate something like voluntarily,

1419
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: and then um, it was just like this really wild

1420
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: recovery scene of like she's doing better than expected after

1421
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: doing worse than expected for like this big crash. And

1422
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: then it was like, okay, now we can worry about

1423
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: her ear, like the actual site of the women, and

1424
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: like it was like this attitude of like, boy, it

1425
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: would be great to save the ear, but if we don't,

1426
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: who cares. She's got to And then one of the

1427
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: vets took took a look like this very seasoned that

1428
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: takes a look at it, and he's like, just cut

1429
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: it off. Just it's like, well, you know, there's a

1430
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: lot of good like I think there's some good stuff there.

1431
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: And keep in mind it. I mean it's black, like

1432
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 1: the ear is black. It's like crispy on the edges. Um,

1433
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 1: it's got this huge puss fluid pocket in the middle

1434
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: of it. Um. It's you know, like really black around

1435
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: the bite wounds, like if you touch it with a

1436
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: little antiseptic cloth, like skin and hairs like sluffing off

1437
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: of it and h and the this vet Dr Heidi Wogue,

1438
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,759
Speaker 1: who was awesome. Um, she's like, hey, you know there's

1439
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: there's some good meat here and stuff. The senior VT,

1440
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: the most senior vets, like, you can take care of

1441
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: that thing for a month and we'll still have to

1442
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,959
Speaker 1: cut it off. It would be good for the auctions

1443
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: of bodies. Man desiccated snort ear um, and uh. It

1444
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 1: was like, so like you gotta be a nurse for

1445
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: a month and you don't know. I'm like, yes, yeah,

1446
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: sign me up. So you're still in that phase right now,

1447
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: Still in that phase right now, but like obviously you're

1448
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: gonna keep the ear now right Yeah, Like that the

1449
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: pus pockets started draining. Um. There's a de bridament is

1450
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: a super fancy word I learned for picking up scabs. Um.

1451
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of like gently cleaning the

1452
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: ear and getting rid of like excess stuff and then um, yeah,

1453
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean it looks awesome now and and it's just

1454
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: kind of like a big bald ear and uh bad

1455
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: dogs can't tell stories, everybody. Yeah, I'd be like, let

1456
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 1: me tell you what this jackass put me through. Because

1457
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: the dog get to the part where like over here's

1458
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: you talked about cutting its ear off right right, It's

1459
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: like and then guess what cal uh so much better

1460
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 1: coming from the dog. So now like really right now,

1461
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm like the most worried about having a bald eared

1462
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Labrador Retriever and like freezing cold water and air tamps

1463
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: in January, put a mitten on there, a whole ahead

1464
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: mitten um which yeah, which all roads lead back to

1465
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Garrett Smith dirt Math. It was like, Hey, called this

1466
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: buddy mine and he's got this company called rex Specs,

1467
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:40,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm gonna get a set of hearing protection,

1468
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: tactical hearing protection for her, which is like a head

1469
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: muff that has two big pads on it. And he

1470
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: said he can remove one of the pads for hearing

1471
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: and I can keep the other one on there on

1472
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,799
Speaker 1: the bad ear for installation. Yeah, that's good. I wouldn't

1473
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: thought of that. But yeah, if you go out and

1474
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: like you know, sub zero tamps, mad dogs, hear is

1475
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: gonna be cooked. Yeah, not cooked, the opposite of cooked,

1476
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Yeah, that's kind of the the saga snort.

1477
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: And then I got a call from cal uh while

1478
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: this is all going on, and he just told me

1479
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: to keep my mouth shut. Yeah, he's trying to control

1480
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: a messaging. Yes, yes, you got like three podcasts out

1481
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: of it. Well, I got I got text messages from

1482
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:28,520
Speaker 1: Steve that are like, hey, call me. Hey you alive? Hey,

1483
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: are you okay? Like, oh my god, it's a better call. Um. Yeah.

1484
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 1: So but you know, all I've been talking about is

1485
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:40,799
Speaker 1: this dog, like going and hunting with this dog and stuff,

1486
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: and so it was like, oh yeah, man, so but now,

1487
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: so we had like our first like serious training day yesterday,

1488
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: and I got back to um letting her know that

1489
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: even though she's very special, that doesn't mean that she's

1490
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: uh not going to be disciplined. And then the day

1491
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 1: before that, we took a real long walk and she

1492
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: found uh covey of three Hungarian partridge didn't have any

1493
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: shells in my gun for the first two birds that

1494
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: got up. Managed to get a shell in the chamber

1495
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: for the third one and shot at uh and she

1496
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 1: retrieved it and that was our first bird of the year.

1497
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:36,839
Speaker 1: So awesome, youth youth duck coming right up. Yes, yes, okay,

1498
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Jordan's hi, Steve, Um, you've been bit by rattlesnak. Let's

1499
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: try not a good segue, I have not. But you

1500
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: grew up on a cattle ranch in Nebraska where there

1501
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: are a lot of rattlesnakes. Did you see a lot

1502
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: of Yeah? Yeah, I remember going like when I was little,

1503
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: we'd go over there was a couple of dens that

1504
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: were in like along the creek bottom. There's like some

1505
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: pine trees, like rocky outcropping type stuff and like, and

1506
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: there was a couple pretty established ins and I remember

1507
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:17,560
Speaker 1: going in and um and uh, yeah. Dad would just

1508
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: shoot him with like twenty two with the bird shop

1509
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: at Oh. That was like in the springtime. And then

1510
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: I think, are you folks still in the cattle ranching business? Yeah,

1511
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:35,719
Speaker 1: they're still there on the family places. Yeah, we'll go back,

1512
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: I'll go back. I think like you become a cattle rancher. Yeah,

1513
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: I think, really, yeah I do. Yeah, yeah, I think so.

1514
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Are your folks surprised he became a hunting guide? Yeah?

1515
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,759
Speaker 1: I think my dad thought I was like maybe didn't

1516
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: know exactly what I was getting into. And when I

1517
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: think when I told him, like, hey, this is what

1518
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: I want to do, he was kind of like, you

1519
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 1: like doing that, but are you gonna doing that for

1520
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 1: like a long time? And he was concerned that you

1521
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't enjoy it or he was concerned that you were

1522
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: being frivolous. He was concerned I wouldn't enjoy it. I

1523
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: were liked hunting so much. He was afraid I was

1524
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 1: going to overdo it, burn myself out. Got it? Hunt? Yeah?

1525
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: What town in Nebraska is all this happened to? This

1526
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:22,480
Speaker 1: is in Rushville, northwest corner. So we're just spy Shadrin.

1527
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 1: How old were you started? How old were you when

1528
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 1: he started a hunt? Oh? Man, I shot my first

1529
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: year when I was twelve. I can't I couldn't even

1530
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: tell you how old I was when I like shot

1531
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: my first rabbit. It's a little twenty two, but I

1532
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: couldn't have been I don't know eight. Is that too young? No,

1533
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: I think it was like then, yeah, eight, And then

1534
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: there's pictures of me with a cork gun when I

1535
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: was really little, like trying to shoot turkeys out the

1536
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: window and whatever. Any lots. Yeah, apparently there was. There

1537
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: was a time I was on a tricycle chasing turkeys

1538
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: down the driveway with a core gun over the handleboy. Yeah.

1539
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: So but but tell, like more clearly, tell folks about

1540
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: your guiding business before we kind of really cover off

1541
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 1: and how you got into the whole thing. Yeah. So, yeah,

1542
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: it's called running water hunting. I started it basically when

1543
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: I was in high school, took a little hiatus over

1544
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: my college years, and then went back to it. Um

1545
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: based out of northwest Nebraska on our family cattle ranch

1546
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: at Lease, a couple of ranches that surround us as well.

1547
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: And yeah we just hunt deer, turkeys and not really

1548
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: antelope anymore. Um, but yeah, it's basically it. How did

1549
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 1: you get started in high school? So I kind of

1550
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: just picked it up. So I grew up with always

1551
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: having other hunters around because like my you know, parents

1552
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: would have family friends or would ever come out and

1553
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 1: they were always from out of state. They would come

1554
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: out and there's like a yearly deal, and I think

1555
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 1: I would just annoy them mostly, um but I always

1556
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: wanted to go and they would reluctantly take me, I think.

1557
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: And then we had an outfitter from town that leased

1558
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: the place for a little while, so then he was

1559
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: bringing to people and I would do the same thing.

1560
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: I would just go down and like hang out with

1561
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 1: him type of deal. And then were you bummed about that?

1562
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 1: That that was your hunting spot? But then now someone

1563
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 1: was leasing it. Yeah, that was an issue at one point,

1564
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: especially when I got older. But Dad was always very like, hey,

1565
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 1: this is a stipulation, like my kid's gonna hunt type

1566
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: of the deal. Yeah, so are you the only kid?

1567
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,839
Speaker 1: I have two younger sisters. Yeah, but I'm the oldest

1568
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 1: of three, so so we uh yeah. I started doing that,

1569
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: and then when that outfitter left, just decided it really

1570
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: wasn't his thing. Then I thought I can do this.

1571
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: And when I was a senior in high school, I

1572
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 1: booked hunters off of Craigslist, which sounds like a really

1573
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: safe thing. What what year you talking about? This would

1574
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: be two thousand and eleven, yeah, and two thousand eleven,

1575
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, and so I remember there was like

1576
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,759
Speaker 1: these two dudes I think from like Missouri, really nice guys.

1577
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: Book for like thousand bucks came out when you ran

1578
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: an ad ran a freaking ad on craigslist. Yeah, school,

1579
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 1: and I think it was just like five day white

1580
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 1: tail hunt in Nebraska with the high schooler called me up.

1581
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew that. Did you run

1582
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 1: it like on the national Craigslist? I think so? Honestly,

1583
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't even remember. No, I think it was just

1584
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: in the Nebraska Panhandle like section of the craigslist, you know.

1585
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: And then I said like five dayl white five day

1586
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 1: white tail hunt. Yeah, five day white tail hunt with

1587
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: a muzzleloader. Would you bucks? Did you put that down? Yeah?

1588
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: And they where your phone? Yeah, my phone number, and

1589
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: they called me You're going to be great yea, or

1590
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: this is gonna be really bad your parents. You know

1591
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: that dishwashing deal? Uh? I got a business now I'm

1592
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 1: buying the dishwasher. Yeah. So yeah, they came out. How

1593
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: many calls, dude, I don't even remember. I think those

1594
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 1: were like the only two guys I think called and

1595
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, is this legit? And yeah, I wish

1596
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: I remembered that more what you say. I just like

1597
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: told him to run down, Like, hey, I think this

1598
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: is what kind of what I told you, Like, this

1599
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 1: is what the doer like to do. This is how

1600
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 1: we like to hunt them. Like you have a place

1601
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:51,480
Speaker 1: to stay, meals are on you and yeah come yeah,

1602
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 1: yeah we have a this is my class schedule. Yes

1603
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: seriously that yeah that you had to play some serious

1604
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: hooky to do this thing. Oh yeah, well we so

1605
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: I started. I always started. Um. I tried to start

1606
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: the hunts on like get the guys in on Friday,

1607
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: go like show them around. I would hunt with them

1608
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:12,600
Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday and then they would kind of have the

1609
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: like kind of feel for the place and then I

1610
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: would send them on their own for like Monday, Monday,

1611
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: texting them in class and stuff. Yeah, like keep in track.

1612
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: It's very crazy. Yeah, it's like enterprising. Well, the scary

1613
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 1: thing is like I just didn't think there was anything

1614
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 1: wrong with that. You have any kind of I mean

1615
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 1: you have to like no licensing or anything. No, well

1616
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 1: you don't have to have guide licensing in Nebraska. Were

1617
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,719
Speaker 1: you ever in class and getting a text messages? It's like, hey,

1618
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 1: come help us track this thing. I don't think that happened. No,

1619
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: they eat shot a buck, I remember, and it died

1620
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 1: like right next to their like easy to get to. Yeah,

1621
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 1: they were super pumped. I still have them on Facebook,

1622
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 1: I think. So those are your your first two clients.

1623
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 1: Those are my first two clients. Yeah. Yeah. So right

1624
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: when I graduated high school, we had another like an

1625
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: outside outfitter come in and offer us up. And that's

1626
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,560
Speaker 1: when I just got displaced again. I did get displaced.

1627
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,759
Speaker 1: And that's when Dad was like, you need to focus

1628
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 1: on college instead of probably this situation, and um, how

1629
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 1: do you argue with that type of deal? I guess?

1630
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 1: So I did that for went to college and then

1631
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: studied what So I studied at business? Yeah, and so

1632
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 1: I went no. So then this is where it gets

1633
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: interesting because when I was in that same like senior year,

1634
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: when I was trying to start this outfitting business, I

1635
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 1: was also really intrigued with like filming and doing that

1636
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and so I started writing for like

1637
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: a little self filmed website and so started kind of

1638
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: my media business if you will. Then as well, and

1639
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,599
Speaker 1: when I got to college, I started filming buddies and

1640
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: like just putting together a little videos and I was

1641
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: at a show and there were some guys like the

1642
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 1: Preferts that have like the blue like ranch equipment, like

1643
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: bucking shoots and stuff like that. At the rodeos Um

1644
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: they have a company producing ranch equipment. Yes, yeah, yeah,

1645
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 1: it's called the whole company is called Prefert And I

1646
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: have a cousin that it was a Rodeo judge knew them,

1647
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: brought them in. They had just started their own TV

1648
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: show at the time for Hunting Um, and so kind

1649
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:49,639
Speaker 1: of got in with those guys, and then they knew

1650
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: of this other company out of Cody, Wyoming. It's like

1651
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: a gun manufacturer and they I saw them at a

1652
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: show at a hunting show where we were actually trying

1653
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 1: to sell hunts for this other outfit or that at

1654
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: least our place, and I just went up and started

1655
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 1: talking to him and the guys like if we ever

1656
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: looked for a videographer, we'll let you know. And of

1657
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,520
Speaker 1: course I'm like, I'm never going to hear from them.

1658
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: And they called me in like August that year and

1659
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 1: wanted me to film start filming sheep hunts for the

1660
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: show in Wyoming because they were crazy. I mean, how

1661
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 1: many how many sheep hunts they going on. Um that

1662
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean, so that first year, I think I filmed

1663
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: three two or three, and then the next year I

1664
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: think I filmed like six in Wyoming and then yeah,

1665
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:41,919
Speaker 1: just because those guys were guiding and they had clients

1666
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: that wanted it filmed or what was it. Yeah, So

1667
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: they had a rifle manufacturer and so they were sending uh,

1668
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: like their rifles on hunts with people. And one of

1669
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: the guys that owned it a outfitting and outfitting business. Yeah. Yeah,

1670
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: and so there was like a big marketing Yeah, different

1671
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: hunters all the time. You started documenting those trips, yeah, yeah,

1672
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 1: So I started doing that. So I went through my

1673
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 1: first year of college and then my second year, I

1674
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: went through my see how this go? I started my

1675
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 1: second year, I was just about ready to start my

1676
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: junior year of college, my junior fall, and they um

1677
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: offered me this thing, like to go and like film

1678
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: for the fall. Well, I'm like, I can't do both.

1679
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 1: I can't go to college and film. And oh I

1680
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 1: think Dad was very have you at first with that

1681
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 1: decision either, But I just like dropped all my classes

1682
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 1: in college really went and filmed, yeah, for the show

1683
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 1: for the first fall, and then I went back to

1684
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 1: college for that spring and then that's it. I've been back,

1685
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,880
Speaker 1: your parents passed. I need to finish. No, I don't

1686
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: think so, not now that you're going to go finish

1687
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,639
Speaker 1: Now I've done. Okay, No, there was a point. Now

1688
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 1: probably nothing do it? What do you like if you

1689
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: get bored? Actually to sit in the class? Now once

1690
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,679
Speaker 1: you got to Chase and not sitting there, you're sitting there. Yeah,

1691
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 1: So I yeah, I ended up going this does this

1692
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:10,639
Speaker 1: goes back to the hunting a little bit. The air

1693
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: of the outfitting business. The that outfitter that came in

1694
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,799
Speaker 1: from the outside, um kind of have how to fallen

1695
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 1: out and he moved on falling out Um just kind

1696
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:22,639
Speaker 1: of some landowners in the area. It just like wasn't

1697
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 1: meshing type of deal. So he moved on, and then

1698
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 1: we had didn't have anybody coming out to the ranch anymore.

1699
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: Well by that time, I had taken a full time

1700
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: position with that TV show and Cody, so I had

1701
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 1: moved And so then I started running water hunting like

1702
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 1: officially as an LLC, and I just booked people in

1703
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 1: a semi guided and they would come in. I would

1704
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 1: like have all the tree stands, setting whatever during the

1705
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: summer and run cameras as much as they could, and

1706
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 1: then my dad would just kind of show them around, like, hey,

1707
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: this is where you park. Um. I would send him

1708
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 1: on xpins with UM where to go basically like where

1709
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: the stands were set. And then I just ran it

1710
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: as a semi guided for those couple of years. And

1711
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: then I ended up quitting the TV show and I

1712
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 1: moved back to Nebraska. And why did you quit the

1713
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 1: TV show just to go focus on all this stuff? Yeah,

1714
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 1: it was just time to go, you know, Like I

1715
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 1: had been there full time for two years and actually

1716
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: filming with him for like four seasons, and it was

1717
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: just I'd run its course. You're like on a salary. Yeah,

1718
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 1: I was on a salary, Yeah, for a couple of years,

1719
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: and going to eight to five job kind of sucks.

1720
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: That was an eight to five job, it was, Yeah,

1721
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 1: it was an eight five And then like I would

1722
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: film and then when even when we weren't filming, like

1723
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 1: I was still expected to be in the office puction

1724
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, I would do like everything that I filmed.

1725
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: I pretty much did all the post on and then

1726
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 1: you know there's a couple of the people that worked

1727
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: in there as well, but yeah, there was a lot

1728
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: of there was a lot of downtime. Then I didn't

1729
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 1: really need to be in there, you know, and I

1730
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: just wanted to get back, and I guess helped add

1731
01:45:57,479 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 1: with the ranch too a little bit, and just it

1732
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 1: was just to move on. So your folks play hardball

1733
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 1: with you at all, where they're like, now, Jordan's this

1734
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 1: is like a reasonable cut for your folks as far

1735
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 1: as like you don't get it, just charge money and

1736
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: we don't get a piece. Yeah, I know, they don't

1737
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: give you like a hand. They don't give you like

1738
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 1: a friendship deal. Oh I think that I get a

1739
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: friendship Okay, but you're still paying. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah,

1740
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get a free ride for sure. And then

1741
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: like I go back now and I helped Dad, like hey,

1742
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 1: all summer. So then I think there's a little bit

1743
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:39,560
Speaker 1: of trading that goes on for like work for you.

1744
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 1: But then you kind of like you gradually start doing

1745
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: like more guiding though, right, yeah, more more involved once

1746
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 1: you were back more involved. Yeah, then that's when I

1747
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: started doing like fully guided, including the meals being there

1748
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: all the time and I mean essentially being able to

1749
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 1: charge more for that, and how you find and how

1750
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 1: did when you went back to start doing it more seriously,

1751
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: how would you find customers or clients? Honestly, a lot

1752
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 1: of it was word of mouth. UM still put some

1753
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:12,200
Speaker 1: I've gone away from Craigslist, but I have put a

1754
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: few ads on eBay before and that's actually a pretty

1755
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: good way of generating some some things there. And then

1756
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: there was just other like guide fitter I think is

1757
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 1: a website. Yeah, and a lot of a lot of that,

1758
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 1: but most of it's like repeat people or just word

1759
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,599
Speaker 1: of mouth. How many people can you hunt every year?

1760
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 1: I take for deer, I take like twelve totals? What

1761
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 1: I like to take like twelve between twelve and fifteen

1762
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 1: between archery, muzzloader and then the rifle season. Have you

1763
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: got them all yourself? Sorry? Oh you're fine. I had, Yeah,

1764
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: I had before. I do have a kid that's going

1765
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: to guide for me this fall to help me out

1766
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. Last year was crazy. I just like

1767
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: I had still have the media business and then the

1768
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: hunting business, and it was all very much like back

1769
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 1: to back. I'd get back from a film trip on

1770
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: like a Friday, as the other hunters were rolling in

1771
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 1: and then we'd start guiding on like a Saturday or

1772
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 1: something like that, and it was just it was too much.

1773
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 1: So I got a guy into help this year. Some

1774
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 1: of the legis logistical stuff. If you had to if

1775
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 1: you had to decide between doing the media business and

1776
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 1: the hunting guide business, what would you do? Well, let me,

1777
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: let me, let's do a three wak you had to

1778
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 1: do like cattle, yeah, hunting guide, show business, and whatever

1779
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: you picked you had to stick with the rest of

1780
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 1: your life. Oh. Man, I would say meaty business because

1781
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 1: I think so, go on, I don't know. That's a

1782
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: hard one, Steve. They're all pretty split. They're all pretty

1783
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: split right now in my life anyways, evenly split. But yeah,

1784
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: the media stuff, I think mostly because that's where I do,

1785
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: like all my Western hunting, I got you, that's because

1786
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,679
Speaker 1: it keeps you out and engaged doing new stuff. Yeah,

1787
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 1: It's like takes me all over, which is kind of cool.

1788
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, so do you freelancer people know? I do? Yeah. So,

1789
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 1: my the ranch name is Running Water Ranch, and so

1790
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: I spun off of that with Running Water Hunting, and

1791
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: then I did the same with the media. So it's

1792
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 1: running water media, got it? Yeah, how far into the

1793
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: future are you booked on the white tail hunts? Uh?

1794
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:31,840
Speaker 1: This year's full. That's pretty that's pretty much it. Um.

1795
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: I've got some people that are always like come back

1796
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:37,759
Speaker 1: year to year. So archeries usually fairly full, muzzloaders usually

1797
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 1: really full. And two years ago you killed some giant

1798
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:45,160
Speaker 1: white tail there and muzzleloader bavery Yeah, yeah, he was

1799
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: like they scored. He's like one seventy eight or something

1800
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: like that. It's a big white Yeah. I think be

1801
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: booking lots of folks with a hundred and seventy white

1802
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 1: tail coming falling out of your pockets. I wouldn't say

1803
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: falling out of my pockets. I really try to, like

1804
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: I really try to be like conservative with selling some

1805
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: of these hunts, like especially on the size and stuff.

1806
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 1: Just you know, like we do have some Muleteer two

1807
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:15,640
Speaker 1: and our tags are good for either. But there are

1808
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 1: some guys that have called me and said I want

1809
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 1: a one eighty Muleteer bust and I'm kind of like, yeah,

1810
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:22,559
Speaker 1: you don't want to come here then, because it's not

1811
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: that's not fun selling things like that. I don't know,

1812
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 1: it's interesting like that outfitter that lesare placed at the time,

1813
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 1: like we would get handed. I guided for him as well,

1814
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 1: and like we would get handed people that you don't.

1815
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: It took me a while to realize you don't really

1816
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 1: know what they got sold. You just know what you're

1817
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be guiding and what's out there. And it's

1818
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: really awkward after they have a set of expectations that

1819
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,759
Speaker 1: you would never give them. Yeah. Absolutely, it's really awkward.

1820
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 1: So I try really hard not to do that. Right,

1821
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 1: you'd be like, that's a really good deer maybe like

1822
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 1: what dear, Yeah exactly, they're like, well, we're all the

1823
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 1: big deer. I had that conversation. It wasn't very much fun. Yeah,

1824
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't good. So I try to stay very much

1825
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: in the We like to keep a small like tighten nit,

1826
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 1: you know group when we're there, like four people tops

1827
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 1: is all will take at a time. And intimately, yeah,

1828
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't want like a huge camp. I wanted more

1829
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:26,879
Speaker 1: to be like I want to say, more like family,

1830
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 1: but kind of more of like and you're in there

1831
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 1: cooking and everything too. I did cook last year a

1832
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I wouldn't say it was great. Steve

1833
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 1: but it got the job done. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah,

1834
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 1: we're including all that. I saw a thing recently on me.

1835
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't recently. I'll scroll into your social media stuff.

1836
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 1: You had the thing where you weren't posting trail camp

1837
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 1: photos anymore. Oh yeah, yeah, we had a deal. Yeah,

1838
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 1: we just had a deal. Whereas like, I think we're

1839
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 1: we're posting a lot of pictures and I think people

1840
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 1: people were like moving in on the neighboring ground that

1841
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 1: technically isn't supposed to be getting hunted, but they know

1842
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 1: nobody's really out there, so they Yeah. So yeah, I

1843
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: don't know, because that's kind of like an advertisement thing

1844
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 1: for if you're a dear guide, right, yeah. Do you

1845
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:20,599
Speaker 1: view that by putting up what you're seeing on trail games?

1846
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 1: Do you view that as like a marketing thing or

1847
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: is it just because you're interested in it? Uh? Pretty Yeah,

1848
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 1: just like me posting trail camera pictures. Yeah, I mean,

1849
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:30,679
Speaker 1: are you're doing that the show people like, hey, here's

1850
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: what's going on, Here's what's going on, like this year

1851
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 1: type of deal Like yes, um, but it does have

1852
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 1: a little there's another edge to that sword, which is

1853
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: you advertise, Yeah, you just then people like around know

1854
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 1: what's there, and there's places that you can kind of

1855
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 1: slip in from the back or whatever. That's I don't

1856
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:58,640
Speaker 1: know the nicest way to say that, just like Poacher's trespassing,

1857
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 1: what it is stupid things? Yeah, yeah it does. So

1858
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 1: story Big Deer make people stupid. Mm hmm. So now

1859
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: what uh who? When you're filming, who do you work for?

1860
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: Do you do do people? If do you have clients

1861
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 1: like that they're going hunting and they want to like

1862
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 1: document the hunt and you'll hire on and go document

1863
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 1: their hunt. Yeah, pretty much. So Yeah, there's like there's

1864
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: a lady of film for the last couple of years

1865
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 1: has bought like Governor Sheep tags. Um, I'll go film

1866
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 1: her on those. Um Like Rockslide dot com is a

1867
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: website that I've written for for a long time and

1868
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:45,040
Speaker 1: they wanted to start doing like, you know, just doing

1869
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 1: good films with their hunts to help I think with

1870
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: their you know, brand and image and stuff. So I'll

1871
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:52,639
Speaker 1: go do those. Um. Crispy Boots have done some stuff

1872
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 1: for UM. But yeah, it's just things like that kind

1873
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 1: of whatever companies them I'm involved with if they need

1874
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 1: somebody to go with the murder, take product pictures or

1875
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 1: whatever I can go. He Uh. I was gonna say,

1876
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: how did you flip that? Because normally sounds like you're

1877
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 1: behind the camera, you're guiding, but you just got done

1878
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 1: with a pretty special hunt where you got to be

1879
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: behind the gun. That got flipped. That I got flipped. Yeah,

1880
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 1: So that was a deal through Six Hour, who I

1881
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:24,519
Speaker 1: started working with a couple of years ago. Yeah, and

1882
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 1: so they've got they've got a rifle coming out that

1883
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 1: we wanted to do. It's, um, we wanted to do

1884
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 1: a hunt like kind of around with a rifle was

1885
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 1: intended for and it's just a really lightweight, packable rifle

1886
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 1: and so uh kind of threw a pitch out like, hey,

1887
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 1: this is what this thing is made for, like once

1888
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 1: you send me on a sheep hunt. And they're like, well,

1889
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 1: we might be able to make that happen. And it

1890
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 1: worked within you know however, Yeah, I still can't believe it.

1891
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 1: Still can't I believe it. So that's what we did

1892
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 1: in the Brooks Range. Yeah, sound slope. Yeah, I got

1893
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 1: an outfitter that I actually found the hunt in January.

1894
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 1: He had had a couple of cancelations founded off Craigslist. Yeah, No,

1895
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 1: that one was word of mouth too. It was yeah, yeah,

1896
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 1: it was awesome. It's totally coincidental. But I was looking

1897
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 1: into some hunts in the Brooks Range talking to some people,

1898
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:32,000
Speaker 1: and the Brooks Range right now is not in good shape.

1899
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,440
Speaker 1: But the ship, i should say, the sheep in the

1900
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 1: Brooks Range are not in good shape. There's a lot

1901
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 1: of not good shape sheep units in Alaska right now,

1902
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 1: just some bad string of bad winter. But you're like

1903
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 1: the sixth person that I've talked to that had an

1904
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,880
Speaker 1: unbelievably good sheep in the Brooks Range. I don't know

1905
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 1: if I would say it was like unbelievably good. Well,

1906
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: it was basically the opposite of like yours for weather

1907
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:59,080
Speaker 1: and whatnot. It sucked for most of it, but it

1908
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 1: was it was fun. Did you see any other rams

1909
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: besides killed? I mean I saw probably six legal rams.

1910
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 1: Um we saw them all like two days before season,

1911
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:16,640
Speaker 1: the day before season. Yeah, and then like we found

1912
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 1: one in the middle that we ended up blowing a

1913
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,880
Speaker 1: stock on, and then the one that end up killing

1914
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: at the end was with another legal ram. So yeah,

1915
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:27,440
Speaker 1: but we just had a bad string of weather. It

1916
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 1: was yeah, yeah, for pretty much. The first day was

1917
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 1: good and we had a ram that we've been watching

1918
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 1: the previous two days give us the slip and thought,

1919
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 1: no worries, like we're right where their home is, Like

1920
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:42,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna just pick through here and find him. And

1921
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 1: then the next day it was pretty much like zero

1922
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:50,440
Speaker 1: zero on visibility and raining for I think until like

1923
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 1: five six o'clock that night, and then the next day

1924
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 1: it was a whole day in the tent. The day

1925
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 1: after that was most of the morning and the tent

1926
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 1: we got to move a little bit and it broke

1927
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:03,280
Speaker 1: that afternoon. We ended up finding a ram that was

1928
01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: super cool, but we just like the way that we

1929
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:09,120
Speaker 1: had to go in on him. Um, we couldn't see

1930
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 1: exactly I didn't think anyways, we could see exactly where

1931
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: they were bedded once we got around into the top,

1932
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 1: and just took a lot of time to do that

1933
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: as just moving in that country as hard as you know. Um,

1934
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:25,680
Speaker 1: And they ended up going through a saddle underneath of

1935
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,040
Speaker 1: us as we were trying to go through the saddle

1936
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:30,920
Speaker 1: to them, so we basically passed each other and I

1937
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 1: think we were like two yards from him, but it

1938
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,200
Speaker 1: was so steep that you just couldn't see. You don't

1939
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 1: have those hills like have a lot of creases in them,

1940
01:57:38,680 --> 01:57:42,720
Speaker 1: and they ended up busting out. So that was and

1941
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 1: I told the guy that was like I've blown a

1942
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 1: lot of stocks. That one was the worst thing hurting

1943
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 1: one that I've ever had. But yeah, then we spent

1944
01:57:52,120 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 1: the next it was like the next three days in

1945
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: the town and it was just the most frustrating thing

1946
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 1: on the planet. Oh man, Yeah, burned up a lot

1947
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:04,600
Speaker 1: of in reach battery on that on that deal. So

1948
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,600
Speaker 1: doing that one time sheep hunting and no one brought

1949
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 1: a book, but my brother bought. I had thought to

1950
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 1: bring a book, and there's three of us and he

1951
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: cut his book in thirds and since it was his book,

1952
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 1: he got to read front to back. I had like

1953
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:21,960
Speaker 1: start in the middle and then get my third later.

1954
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 1: So you had to read it like portions. You know, man,

1955
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 1: sit in the tense, painful. It sucked, but it's I mean,

1956
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:32,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think we've done what three dollars

1957
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,320
Speaker 1: she punts together, and I feel like that's been a

1958
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: part of every single one. But every time it makes

1959
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 1: you mad. Oh yeah, but you got to go in

1960
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:42,440
Speaker 1: expecting it. You know. I mean that's why you go

1961
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 1: for ten days, because five of them you probably can't

1962
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 1: see anything. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it it got to

1963
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:52,880
Speaker 1: a point where like even if you wanted to, you know,

1964
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 1: like the guy told me, he said, I don't know

1965
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 1: most he said, most of my clients, like we would

1966
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:02,920
Speaker 1: have left three days ago because it was just like

1967
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 1: they would have got burned out. Yeah, they would have

1968
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 1: got burned out. But where are you gonna go, like,

1969
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, walk to the air strip. But it's still

1970
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 1: they can't come get you. We're just gonna like stare

1971
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 1: at wherever that is. And uh yeah yeah. So finally

1972
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 1: it was like it was the eight Now it was

1973
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 1: the seventh day of the hunt. We woke up to snow,

1974
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:32,920
Speaker 1: but everything was like clearing off and it was starting

1975
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 1: to get nicer. And made our way down the spine

1976
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:39,839
Speaker 1: and we were starting to figure out our exit strategy

1977
01:59:39,880 --> 01:59:42,480
Speaker 1: because that was a that was a Wednesday, and we

1978
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 1: were getting picked up on a Friday morning from the

1979
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,720
Speaker 1: air strip and we're still a ways away from the

1980
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 1: air strip, and so we're on this ridge like right

1981
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 1: up in the rocks with the sheep. Our guide finds

1982
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 1: four rams across the valley on another mountain, and he's like,

1983
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 1: I think we can. He's like, I don't know if

1984
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 1: we can get there and back to the air strip,

1985
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 1: but that's kind of our only options. So he's like,

1986
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:12,560
Speaker 1: it's up to you, Like, I think we can get

1987
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:15,480
Speaker 1: there and get this all done, but at least get

1988
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:17,360
Speaker 1: close to him, or we can stay up here and

1989
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:19,160
Speaker 1: keep picking around trying to find sheep. But he's like,

1990
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:20,600
Speaker 1: either way, we have to be at the aer strip

1991
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:25,280
Speaker 1: Friday morning, so at eight o'clock, so you like figure out,

1992
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, kind of what you think we should do.

1993
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I would rather go after those sheep,

1994
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:32,360
Speaker 1: and all of our eggs were going to be in

1995
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:34,480
Speaker 1: that basket too, Like it was a little bit lower

1996
02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:38,120
Speaker 1: on the mountain, um they were. They were probably the

1997
02:00:38,120 --> 02:00:40,640
Speaker 1: only sheep in that little that mountain that we could see.

1998
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:43,240
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'd rather go over there and

1999
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 1: screw it up and not get one, then sit up

2000
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:49,960
Speaker 1: here and wish we would have went. So he's like,

2001
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 1: if it, we're going. And it was like we left

2002
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:55,520
Speaker 1: there at five o'clock. I had to go through the

2003
02:00:55,560 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 1: brush line and then back up through the brush line

2004
02:00:57,760 --> 02:00:59,680
Speaker 1: and all that, and we got we were a thousand

2005
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:03,440
Speaker 1: yard it's from the sheep at one am and they

2006
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,680
Speaker 1: were still batted where we left the last time I

2007
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:08,600
Speaker 1: saw him, So that was nice. And uh so we

2008
02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:11,280
Speaker 1: threw out sleeping bags on a really steep hillside and

2009
02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:13,840
Speaker 1: just try not to freeze to death. And it was

2010
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:17,280
Speaker 1: light enough that we could start like kind of moving

2011
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:19,200
Speaker 1: and you could really tell which ram was which at

2012
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 1: like four thirty in the morning this Thursday, this Thursday morning. Yeah,

2013
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:28,400
Speaker 1: so we watched him for quite a while and it

2014
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 1: was like, of course, the coldest night that we had

2015
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,760
Speaker 1: was when we just through sleeping bags on the ground

2016
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:36,840
Speaker 1: and like didn't have any things like when the storm breaks,

2017
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:41,200
Speaker 1: it's really clear outside. Nice. Yeah, it was cold, super cold,

2018
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:44,360
Speaker 1: and uh so we watched him for a while. They

2019
02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:47,160
Speaker 1: ended up bedding out on this like rock cliff thing.

2020
02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:48,839
Speaker 1: We weren't going to be able to make the approach

2021
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 1: we wanted, but it was kind of getting down to

2022
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:53,880
Speaker 1: crunch time, like we need to move and do something.

2023
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:56,600
Speaker 1: So we came up with this. We came up with

2024
02:01:56,640 --> 02:02:01,960
Speaker 1: this plan, moved in um and then are we had

2025
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 1: our packer we left back and he was supposed to

2026
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 1: be giving us hand signals and we never could see him.

2027
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:12,360
Speaker 1: But it turns out he could never see the sheep either,

2028
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:16,560
Speaker 1: so that I guess all worked out. Um, But we

2029
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:19,000
Speaker 1: moved in and knew what do you think was going

2030
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:29,080
Speaker 1: through just doing good? Yeah, I don't know, um, but yeah.

2031
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:33,160
Speaker 1: We just had like pretty a couple of pretty defined

2032
02:02:33,240 --> 02:02:36,040
Speaker 1: like rock outcroppings that we were pretty sure we could

2033
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 1: get to and be like two yards from the ramps

2034
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 1: or so. But we could never see him the whole

2035
02:02:41,320 --> 02:02:43,680
Speaker 1: way over. So we're just hoping that they were going

2036
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:46,440
Speaker 1: to be there, and we like snuck through. And all

2037
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:49,360
Speaker 1: those rocks are like you know how they are just

2038
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:53,160
Speaker 1: that they don't have a home. They're like always you know, rolling,

2039
02:02:53,240 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 1: making a lot of noise. So we just tried to

2040
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:56,880
Speaker 1: be as quiet as we could. And I remember it

2041
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:59,000
Speaker 1: was like this big rock slab that had a crack

2042
02:02:59,080 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 1: through the middle of it, and the crack was probably

2043
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:04,760
Speaker 1: like two ft wide, and the guide poked his head through,

2044
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:09,440
Speaker 1: and I remember being like he didn't have any he didn't,

2045
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 1: you know. I expected him to see him really fast,

2046
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:15,000
Speaker 1: and he didn't move, and I'm like, oh, they're gone,

2047
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 1: like they backdoored us or whatever, Like they're out of here.

2048
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:22,720
Speaker 1: And about that time he put his head down and

2049
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:26,080
Speaker 1: he said, oh, ship a hundred yards and I was like,

2050
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 1: all right, we're close, and and uh, they were just

2051
02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:32,720
Speaker 1: they were just moving out. And so it was four

2052
02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:35,920
Speaker 1: rams pretty much in a row, uh, in a line,

2053
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:37,720
Speaker 1: and they were just like moving across the rocks. And

2054
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:39,480
Speaker 1: it took the guide a little while to figure out

2055
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:44,040
Speaker 1: like which one there was two legal rams, um, the

2056
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,000
Speaker 1: one that I really liked and the one he thought

2057
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 1: was the oldest. His lamp tips really flared and that

2058
02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:53,120
Speaker 1: was obviously, you know, that's super cool. So he finally

2059
02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:54,920
Speaker 1: told me what which one he was, and then he

2060
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:58,080
Speaker 1: was just calling out I remember his calling out ranges.

2061
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:01,000
Speaker 1: He would just be like one eighty, two hundred to

2062
02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 1: ten to twenty, And I'm thinking, like that little fold

2063
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,360
Speaker 1: that they were in was not really that big. I'm like,

2064
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 1: if they stay await, like pointed directly away from me

2065
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:13,680
Speaker 1: the whole time, like I'm gonna I'm not gonna get

2066
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: a shot, Like we're gonna get this close, I'm not

2067
02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:17,320
Speaker 1: going to get a shot at him. In about that time,

2068
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:20,200
Speaker 1: it's like to twenty I think was the first shot.

2069
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:23,760
Speaker 1: He just kicked a little bit, quartering away and I

2070
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:26,000
Speaker 1: put it like right in the last rib and came

2071
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:29,520
Speaker 1: out his armpit and then he was that was my sheep.

2072
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:34,080
Speaker 1: Great man, it was super cool. What do you do

2073
02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:43,520
Speaker 1: with that? It's gonna be a full body that we're

2074
02:04:43,600 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 1: kicking a dog here, rocky Mount, bighorn sheep fighting a

2075
02:04:50,160 --> 02:04:58,840
Speaker 1: doll sheep, whole body mount. You could just knock it

2076
02:04:58,840 --> 02:05:02,440
Speaker 1: out on the last day like that, have the whole adventure. Yeah,

2077
02:05:02,440 --> 02:05:04,760
Speaker 1: it was awesome. I mean that's really how everybody wants

2078
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:09,080
Speaker 1: their hunt to like play out. There's just not in hindsight.

2079
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:12,440
Speaker 1: They hindsight, not everybody. There's plenty of people I think

2080
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:14,120
Speaker 1: that would say, you know, I'll kill him one day

2081
02:05:14,120 --> 02:05:19,920
Speaker 1: one blow the steam off my cup of coffee. Jordan.

2082
02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:22,280
Speaker 1: If you do, uh, if you do full body, how

2083
02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 1: do you have to carry that animal out? You can't,

2084
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:29,720
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean what do you do immediately? Just

2085
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:31,880
Speaker 1: a full body mount? So we just skinned him, like

2086
02:05:32,200 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 1: we just took all the hide instead of are they

2087
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:37,440
Speaker 1: doing like you know, like a half like first shoulder, Um,

2088
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:40,400
Speaker 1: we took the whole skinned him in the field and

2089
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:43,120
Speaker 1: then yeah, okay, get it. Yeah, we packed him out

2090
02:05:43,160 --> 02:05:46,480
Speaker 1: and we got back to the airstrip at three am,

2091
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:50,680
Speaker 1: really Friday morning, catch a little five our nap plane lands. Yeah.

2092
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:55,200
Speaker 1: It was pretty pretty tight. Yeah, yeah, and then the

2093
02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:59,280
Speaker 1: plane like, of course, the first like really nice day

2094
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:01,400
Speaker 1: was probably the I shot him, But the next nice

2095
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:03,040
Speaker 1: day was like, at least the plank could come in.

2096
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:06,560
Speaker 1: The other option was we were gonna have to walk

2097
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:10,640
Speaker 1: to the river, which was like, gosh, I don't know,

2098
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:12,920
Speaker 1: it was probably like another eight miles from where we were,

2099
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:16,480
Speaker 1: and then I guess hope that the clouds would be

2100
02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 1: high enough there that they could get in. But yeah,

2101
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:23,080
Speaker 1: it was nice. They got in. The The guy landed

2102
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:26,640
Speaker 1: at like seven in the morning, and he had brought

2103
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:29,720
Speaker 1: the packer and the guy had like a bunch more

2104
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:32,120
Speaker 1: supplies because they had somebody rolling in like a couple

2105
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:33,960
Speaker 1: of days later, so they were just going to stay

2106
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:36,560
Speaker 1: up there. And he brought him a half case of beer.

2107
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 1: And when he took off and took my camera, guy

2108
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:42,440
Speaker 1: back um me and the guy just like cracked a

2109
02:06:42,440 --> 02:06:45,240
Speaker 1: beer and looked at whatever it was, and I was like,

2110
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't that bad, but it was kind of miserable

2111
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:53,120
Speaker 1: in the moment. We're pretty beat up afterward, your feet

2112
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:57,360
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, like I was, I was pretty good,

2113
02:06:57,400 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 1: but that no, I shouldn't say it was pretty good

2114
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:02,000
Speaker 1: out that it beat the hell out of me. That

2115
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:05,200
Speaker 1: just those last couple I don't think I lost a

2116
02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:08,280
Speaker 1: bunch of weight, but we weighed my pack when I

2117
02:07:08,360 --> 02:07:11,160
Speaker 1: got back from the pack out and there was like

2118
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:13,000
Speaker 1: some other guys that I went with, and we all

2119
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:14,520
Speaker 1: kind of got back at the same time. They were

2120
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 1: waiting their packs and my camera guys like, you better

2121
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,600
Speaker 1: weigh it, like just to just to see. And I'm like,

2122
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 1: I bet it was like eighty pounds, like it's it

2123
02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:23,880
Speaker 1: was heavy, but it was like whatever I made it,

2124
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:26,880
Speaker 1: it was a hundred and two. I was like, yeah, no,

2125
02:07:26,920 --> 02:07:29,880
Speaker 1: wonder in my I couldn't feel my toes for like

2126
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:33,360
Speaker 1: a week and a half. Pounds. Yeah, I don't ever

2127
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:39,000
Speaker 1: want to do it against Steve hold the car. Yeah,

2128
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 1: just carry that much. That's smart. Yeah, that's for everybody.

2129
02:07:43,240 --> 02:07:46,040
Speaker 1: Because I just hung out with my body and Colorado,

2130
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 1: who did not get to join me at all on

2131
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:50,640
Speaker 1: my sheep on and one of the big reasons because

2132
02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:55,480
Speaker 1: he's battling bulge disks that are most likely from you know,

2133
02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:58,440
Speaker 1: years of pack and a lot of meat. So kids

2134
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:01,720
Speaker 1: Jordan just did it. She made it out alive. Man,

2135
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:04,760
Speaker 1: don't overpack your back and battle that for the rest

2136
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:06,520
Speaker 1: of your life. Doesn't kill you to go back for

2137
02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:09,280
Speaker 1: a second trip. But so are you? Are you addicted

2138
02:08:09,320 --> 02:08:12,400
Speaker 1: and you're trying to, uh like work any every single

2139
02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:16,720
Speaker 1: angle you can to get back up there for another one. Yeah,

2140
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll have to see, like how the

2141
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:22,800
Speaker 1: doll sheep one goes, but I'm gonna start putting in

2142
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:26,800
Speaker 1: for Big Horn a little more seriously now. And yeah,

2143
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where my sheep hunting. We'll we'll go.

2144
02:08:30,160 --> 02:08:32,040
Speaker 1: Now if people want to go check out, how do

2145
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:34,720
Speaker 1: people go find the video? You know the video guys made,

2146
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:37,720
Speaker 1: So that is gonna be I think that's gonna be

2147
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:39,680
Speaker 1: out in January and that will be like a First

2148
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:44,880
Speaker 1: Light uh six hour kind of combo. Great deal there.

2149
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:48,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, First Light sent the videographer, which was it

2150
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:52,000
Speaker 1: was his first mountain trip ever to sending the season.

2151
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 1: Pros couldn't find any Yeah, you got a book. It

2152
02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:59,880
Speaker 1: was kind of short. It was kind of short notice,

2153
02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:03,800
Speaker 1: but he did fantastic and didn't complain. Probably kept me

2154
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:06,120
Speaker 1: in better spirits. So so they can find the video

2155
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:09,080
Speaker 1: through SIG's sour in first light. Yeah, yeah that it

2156
02:09:09,120 --> 02:09:13,040
Speaker 1: probably won't be done until like January, I'm guessing. And then, um,

2157
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:15,520
Speaker 1: where someone wants to come book book a deer hunt

2158
02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:19,360
Speaker 1: with you. So Running water Hunting dot com is a website.

2159
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:21,160
Speaker 1: You can kind of get the full run down there,

2160
02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 1: and then just really through my Instagram at Jordan bud.

2161
02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:31,200
Speaker 1: What's the Craiglist ad heading for the uh, I've moved

2162
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 1: away from Craigslist, totally away from Yeah, I have. I

2163
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:38,680
Speaker 1: think that's probably the smart smart thing spell all the

2164
02:09:38,720 --> 02:09:40,840
Speaker 1: Instagram because you got like a little underscore or some

2165
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:44,400
Speaker 1: shipping there, don't you. Oh you have a dot Jordan

2166
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:48,160
Speaker 1: dot bud. Yeah, people will find you, yeah, they should hopefully.

2167
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:51,120
Speaker 1: And then and then you guys book Turkey Trips. Book

2168
02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:58,240
Speaker 1: Turkey Trips two is pretty full already. Yeah, pure bread

2169
02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 1: Miriam's so that's native Miriams or yeah yeah, not the

2170
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:07,720
Speaker 1: hybrids rather hybrid zone so it's cool. Yeah, super white tips.

2171
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: What do you like? What do you like better? The

2172
02:10:11,400 --> 02:10:13,720
Speaker 1: guy in Turkey Hunts are guying deer hunts. Oh, dear

2173
02:10:13,800 --> 02:10:17,080
Speaker 1: hunts for sure. Not a big Turkey person. No, No,

2174
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:23,240
Speaker 1: that's you don't like squirrels don't like turkeys. I never

2175
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:26,520
Speaker 1: said it didn't like squirrels. I just haven't don't be

2176
02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:28,720
Speaker 1: into squirrels. I'm gonna come out and hit them squirrels.

2177
02:10:29,400 --> 02:10:31,120
Speaker 1: Do you like have your white tails on the ground

2178
02:10:31,200 --> 02:10:34,400
Speaker 1: more than in a tree? Where? How do you define

2179
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:39,120
Speaker 1: yourself as a white tail hunter? Uh? Archery wise? Like

2180
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:43,120
Speaker 1: from trees? Nice? I think, um, we can hunt them

2181
02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 1: on the ground where we're at. It's just we're hunting

2182
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:49,840
Speaker 1: them a lot like coming from uh betting to like

2183
02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:52,040
Speaker 1: their food source and vice versa, and a lot of

2184
02:10:52,080 --> 02:10:54,640
Speaker 1: that is through open pretty open country like open roly.

2185
02:10:55,200 --> 02:10:58,360
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do, but it's doable to get

2186
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:00,600
Speaker 1: to get close to them when they're when they're doing that.

2187
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:03,880
Speaker 1: So like muzzleloader and rifle, Like absolutely, that's the way

2188
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:07,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to do it. UM, Like we blind hunt

2189
02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 1: for muzzleloader, and we can for rifle. Honestly, we haven't

2190
02:11:11,320 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 1: really had two for rifle because we usually feel like

2191
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:18,000
Speaker 1: on the first day or two, UM, But for muzzloader, like,

2192
02:11:18,040 --> 02:11:19,560
Speaker 1: I really prefer to be on the ground, but we'll

2193
02:11:19,560 --> 02:11:22,760
Speaker 1: put you in a blind if it's applicable, UM, and

2194
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:25,320
Speaker 1: I think it is. It's like a very very effective way,

2195
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:29,040
Speaker 1: especially with you know, a lot of our clients are

2196
02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:31,240
Speaker 1: coming from back East. They haven't really stocked anything before,

2197
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:35,120
Speaker 1: so it's all really like new and that like ambush

2198
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:38,520
Speaker 1: style of stockings, really fast paced and it's trying to

2199
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:43,560
Speaker 1: get yeah too much sometimes. So do you have do

2200
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:45,240
Speaker 1: you do you know about deer that at the end

2201
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:46,839
Speaker 1: of the year, even though you got all those clients,

2202
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:48,240
Speaker 1: at the end of year, the deer gives you the

2203
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:51,320
Speaker 1: slip like you never find it or usually if it's

2204
02:11:51,320 --> 02:11:54,680
Speaker 1: out there, you're gonna find it. Usually if it's out there,

2205
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:56,600
Speaker 1: we're going to find it. But like that dear that

2206
02:11:56,680 --> 02:11:59,840
Speaker 1: tanyevery shot that you were talking about. A few years ago,

2207
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:04,120
Speaker 1: I found him. I had one trail camera picture of him,

2208
02:12:04,200 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 1: and then after I got the trail camera picture, I

2209
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:09,320
Speaker 1: went in to try to to glass him and he

2210
02:12:09,680 --> 02:12:11,920
Speaker 1: popped out of a corn field and was walking along it.

2211
02:12:12,040 --> 02:12:17,120
Speaker 1: So I saw him. That was like mid August, and

2212
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:21,120
Speaker 1: we didn't see that deer again until we killed him December. Second.

2213
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:24,320
Speaker 1: There's a little mystery out there for you. Yeah, yeah,

2214
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:27,840
Speaker 1: for sure. They definitely like those big ones, especially like

2215
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:30,000
Speaker 1: they know how to they know how to slip around,

2216
02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:31,840
Speaker 1: especially like right in the middle of the season. It

2217
02:12:31,880 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 1: seems like later season in December, when everything's really coming

2218
02:12:35,480 --> 02:12:37,600
Speaker 1: into the fields and it's like a major food source.

2219
02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:40,360
Speaker 1: It seems like they we get a lot of bucks

2220
02:12:40,360 --> 02:12:42,200
Speaker 1: show up at that time of year and a lot

2221
02:12:42,280 --> 02:12:44,840
Speaker 1: of new deer that I've never seen before, which is kind.

2222
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:48,640
Speaker 1: But you guys also get some pretty good like still

2223
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:52,120
Speaker 1: get some rud activity early December, don't you. Yeah, yeah

2224
02:12:52,120 --> 02:12:54,160
Speaker 1: we do. Yeah, that can be a really good time,

2225
02:12:54,520 --> 02:12:57,120
Speaker 1: um for that rud activity. And then like you know,

2226
02:12:57,280 --> 02:12:59,920
Speaker 1: Nebraska's rifle season runs right in the middle of rud

2227
02:13:00,160 --> 02:13:02,760
Speaker 1: of the rut pretty much the third week in November,

2228
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:07,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, we can. Yeah, we can hunt the the

2229
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:12,120
Speaker 1: rut a lot. I mean it's pretty much September, September one,

2230
02:13:12,280 --> 02:13:15,920
Speaker 1: December thirty one, you can be hunt deer in Nebraska. Man,

2231
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:17,400
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna book up. I think You're gonna

2232
02:13:17,440 --> 02:13:19,840
Speaker 1: book up some trips man off the show. I hope.

2233
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:23,040
Speaker 1: So it's really fun. I'm telling you, Like, the hunt's fun.

2234
02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:26,520
Speaker 1: Like we see a lot of deer usually, um, and

2235
02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:29,640
Speaker 1: you'll like you'll like cook him a burger or something. Yeah,

2236
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:32,240
Speaker 1: I'll cook you a burger. The crop pod is my friend,

2237
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:37,520
Speaker 1: what's the Jordan Bunn specialty where you're like, d on

2238
02:13:37,560 --> 02:13:40,320
Speaker 1: Tuesday night, You're gonna like dinner because I'm cooking my

2239
02:13:42,600 --> 02:13:46,880
Speaker 1: uh pulled pork. I would say, yeah, yeah, not bad.

2240
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:51,520
Speaker 1: She'll throw in a free pulled pork sandwich. Yeah. Bo

2241
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:54,000
Speaker 1: a trip. Now, I think you're gonna books and trips up.

2242
02:13:54,520 --> 02:13:57,920
Speaker 1: I hope. So, man, when people come out, you help them,

2243
02:13:57,920 --> 02:13:59,760
Speaker 1: you get all their meat package up or to get

2244
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:00,960
Speaker 1: it all sets so they can bring it home with

2245
02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:05,240
Speaker 1: a processor or whatever. Yeah. So last in the previous

2246
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:08,280
Speaker 1: years we haven't had a processor around, so we usually

2247
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:11,120
Speaker 1: just help them like quarter it and get it ready.

2248
02:14:11,160 --> 02:14:13,960
Speaker 1: However they can get at home with them whether that's

2249
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:17,080
Speaker 1: like mostly it's just like we try to debone it

2250
02:14:17,120 --> 02:14:19,040
Speaker 1: and do like all the things for c w D

2251
02:14:19,080 --> 02:14:21,600
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Um, but we just put it in a

2252
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:23,360
Speaker 1: cooler and they check it on the plane with them

2253
02:14:24,120 --> 02:14:28,000
Speaker 1: or yeah, we've like got it frozen completely solid before

2254
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:31,120
Speaker 1: and shipped it. Um do things like they want to

2255
02:14:31,160 --> 02:14:33,120
Speaker 1: do something with their head that you they bring it

2256
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:35,080
Speaker 1: home or you have like a person you bring it to.

2257
02:14:35,320 --> 02:14:37,640
Speaker 1: So a lot of people have just been like do

2258
02:14:37,800 --> 02:14:40,560
Speaker 1: they like doing the euro Mounts. That's been really popular.

2259
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:43,560
Speaker 1: So I've got a buddy I went to Freedom the

2260
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:46,120
Speaker 1: Freedom Mounts. I like that. How they had to rebrand

2261
02:14:46,120 --> 02:14:51,480
Speaker 1: French fries during the Iraq invasion. No, yeah, France wouldn't

2262
02:14:51,480 --> 02:14:53,560
Speaker 1: get on board with the Iraq invasion, so they rebranded

2263
02:14:53,560 --> 02:14:56,840
Speaker 1: French fries is freedom fries? Like call them euromounts. We

2264
02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:00,960
Speaker 1: really taught them. Yeah, oh no, that changed their tune. Yeah.

2265
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't like calling your I don't like calling him

2266
02:15:04,600 --> 02:15:08,960
Speaker 1: your amounts. I like that Freedoms. So if you would

2267
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:13,200
Speaker 1: like Freedom ount I've got a buddy I went to

2268
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:17,120
Speaker 1: high school with that's in town, that does a bunch

2269
02:15:17,160 --> 02:15:18,680
Speaker 1: of them and then he'll he'll get them done and

2270
02:15:18,680 --> 02:15:20,200
Speaker 1: ship them to you. So then we don't have to

2271
02:15:20,240 --> 02:15:22,080
Speaker 1: like worry about the brain matter and all that stuff.

2272
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:25,480
Speaker 1: It can be kind of really easy, like a painless

2273
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:29,800
Speaker 1: deal for the getting everything back to him great Jordan

2274
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:32,600
Speaker 1: bud Man, Yeah, that would be honest. She doesn't overbook

2275
02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:36,880
Speaker 1: the place. It's good hunting, get you all scored away,

2276
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:41,160
Speaker 1: it's fun. Yeah, you're not mean to him, No, not

2277
02:15:41,200 --> 02:15:46,640
Speaker 1: most of the time. She hesitated. If you moved too much,

2278
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:49,560
Speaker 1: she might be a little mean. I don't know, and

2279
02:15:49,760 --> 02:15:52,200
Speaker 1: and tell tell everybody again where he can go find you.

2280
02:15:52,960 --> 02:15:55,520
Speaker 1: Uh pray. Instagram is the best place at Jordan dot

2281
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:59,640
Speaker 1: bud on the Instagram and uh, I think that's it.

2282
02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:03,480
Speaker 1: Running water Productions dot com is my media business until

2283
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:06,640
Speaker 1: the outfitter business again. Running water Hunting dot com. Thanks

2284
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:08,880
Speaker 1: for coming on, Thanks for having me. Man, he'll we

2285
02:16:08,920 --> 02:16:32,480
Speaker 1: get some business. Let's go people, all right, Thanks everybody,