1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast. 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: I'm your host to day, Dirk Durham, and I've got 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: a really special friend with me today Bradley Damn Rman 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: here and Bradley messaged me on Instagram a few years 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: ago and said, hey, would you like to go mountain 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: lion hunting? And I said, boy would I. So we 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: put together a plan and we come up here in 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: the dead of winter and went cat hunting. And if 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: you guys haven't watched it, it's on the Phelps YouTube channel. 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: The thumbnails a picture of me holding the big old 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: mountain lion. We had a heck of a time with 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: Jason Katz with dogs, and I've always said if you 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: can spend five or ten days in the mountains with 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: somebody and still like them at the end of that 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: five or ten days, then that's a pretty special person. 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Immediately I found that with Bradley. He was easy to 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: be around. He is like we were old friends. He 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: owns and operates a guiding business called Idaho Whitetail Guides, 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: which is kind of a misnomer for the business because 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: he runs a lot of mountain lion hunts. It runs 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot of bear hunts lots of elk hunts and 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: deer hunts too, and maybe deer hunting would be maybe 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: not even your biggest draw. Really, Probably some of your 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: other stuff is a bigger draw, wouldn't you say? 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I would say elk probably the biggest one. 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: It was. I had purchased the business and the name 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 2: was Idaho Whitetael Guides, and then I had a lot 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: of things added, you know, elk and bear and everything 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: added throughout the years, and I just didn't go through 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: the name change. I just kept it the same. But 31 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: it's worked out. 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you us stay real busy ever fall. 33 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, thanks for coming on today. As i've I 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: get to know Bradley a little bit more, I've known 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: him and I know a lot of the same people 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: you know through you know, it's a small world, and 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: it seems like every time we get to talk and 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: we know all these different people. And one thing I've 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: always I've always heard about Bradley is what an elk 40 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: hunting machine he is. And unfortunately he don't get to 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: hunt much for himself, but he had an elk hunt 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: here a couple of years ago, two falls ago. You 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: finally were able to get out for yourself. You normally 44 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: guiding clients, you had an opportunity to go with your 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: your father in law, and you guys went out and 46 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: chased some big bulls around and you got a just 47 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: a dandy, just a giant, an Idaho giant. 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that was well needed. Yeah, I really enjoy watching, 49 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: you know, whether it's a first timer, you know, kill 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: his first elk, you know, it's really fun. But every 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: once in a while, you know, I got to get 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: out there and do a little hunting for myself. And 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: that was a good opportunity to spend time with my 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: father in law. And heck, we're still talking even, you know, 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: after that long. 56 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: Back to if you can spend some time in the 57 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: mountains with somebody and still like him. 58 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, and we're still getting along. So that's good. 59 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: That's good. No, that was a fun hunt and one 60 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: on one I'll never forget for sure. Yeah, And luckily 61 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: I would have probably killed just about any bowl. You know, 62 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna be picky. I didn't have a lot 63 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: of time, but I was fortunate enough to get a 64 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: really nice public ground bowl. 65 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, and you guys kind of videoed that and 66 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: it's on outdoor of the Core YouTube channel. 67 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you can watch it there. And I used 68 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: kind of a go pro in my cell phone, so 69 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: it ain't it ain't no dirt DRM video or anything 70 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, it still gets the point out there. 71 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was. That was good. I enjoyed watching it. 72 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: You know what a lot of people don't know about 73 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Bradley is, Well, I'll tell you this right now. He's 74 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: not ever gonna brag about himself, so I'm gonna brag 75 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: abou him a little bit. He's the real deal. He's 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: grown up right here in the heart of Elk Deer 77 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: Bear Mountain, Lion country. Like we're at his place right now, 78 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's absolutely beautiful here. And he grew up 79 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: in the same house that he lives in. He went 80 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: right out his back door as a kid, you know, 81 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: with grandpa, with his dad, chasing chasing hound dogs for 82 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: bears and cats. And how old were you when you 83 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: first when you went out on your own and got 84 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: your first bear with dogs. 85 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: I'll start with the lion hunt, just because I can 86 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: remember that one. That okay, but the best I was 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: about ten or eleven and my dad was working and 88 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: we got two inches of fresh snow, and I begged 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: my mom, you know, my poor mom. You know, I 90 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: had this old yellow Yamaha three wheeler that got gave 91 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: to me, you know, and I had I actually built 92 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 2: a platform on the back of it to haul two dogs. 93 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: Believe it or not, a three wheeler that sounds safe. 94 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: Huh yeah, yeah, definitely definitely no helmets or anything like. 95 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah. 96 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: Anyways, I begged mom, you know, to take the dogs out. 97 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: So I actually didn't load him up. Then I just 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: jumped on the four wheeler and I drove up the 99 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: canyon here, up the drainage here by my house, and 100 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: found a lion track and I knew it was fresh 101 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: because the snow, you know, it snowed in the middle 102 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: of the night. And so I come back and I 103 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: got these two plot dogs that I had out here 104 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: that you know, we're basically my dad's, but I kind 105 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: of claimed them as mine, you know, but my dad 106 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: trained them and stuff. Baron Jack were the two dogs 107 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: I grabbed and I went out there. I drove out 108 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: there and this this three wheeler I got so real, peach, 109 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I had this the throttle on it, 110 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: you know, it broke, so I had to I just 111 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: had to wire tied to a piece of stick, you know, 112 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: and I was kind of pulling nut stick and driving. 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: I had the two plot dogs on the back and anyways, 114 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: and I know my mom was just worried to death 115 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: about me. You know, it's cold and everything else. But anyways, 116 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: I got out there and uh put them on the 117 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: track and they they went right out of hearing, you know, barking, 118 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: and I was a little new nervious. You know, back 119 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: then we don't have we didn't have near the logging 120 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: roads and stuff like we do now, you know. So 121 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 2: so I started going on foot, you know, behind the 122 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: dog tracks. I couldn't hear them anymore. And anyways, walk 123 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: quite a ways and there was my first you know, 124 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: I'd been to Lyon Trees with my dad and grandpa, 125 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: like you said, but there I had my first lion 126 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: treed by myself, with with my two dogs, my dad's dogs, 127 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: whatever you want to say. I had it treed there. 128 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: And I'll never forget that because that was a real 129 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: special moment for me as a hound guy, you know. 130 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: And I thought to my my first thoughts was nobody's 131 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: gonna believe me, you know. So I went back and 132 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: got my mom and she bundled up. I just left 133 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: the dogs. You know, we didn't have wolves to worry 134 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: about that anither, you know, there wasn't wolves around here. 135 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: So I just left the dog's tree and on the 136 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: cat come back and drove all the way back here 137 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: and got my mom and loaded her up, and I'm like, Mom, 138 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: you gotta walk in. Nobody's gonna believe me. I got 139 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: one tree and I hauled my poor mom. I'm all 140 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: the way in there. So I had proof that I 141 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: actually caught one, So that's awesome. 142 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 1: And then mom. 143 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and where I grew up, you know, my dad, 144 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: he was pretty he's a lot. I'm nervous wreck, you know, 145 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: with my kids out there on four wheelers and pickups 146 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: and everything. But I actually was driving a pick up 147 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 2: up the canyon here a way earlier, and I should 148 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: have before I had the driver's license. Oh yeah, So 149 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: I had. I had the hounds out and and hunt 150 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: hunted a lot at a really young age. You know. 151 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: I hunted with my dad and grandpa. But if if 152 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: they weren't going, I my dad was fine with me 153 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: loading them up and going. And hounds are definitely a 154 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: big passion of mine. I mean, I'm glad to have them, 155 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: and it's it's a lot of fun and it's necessary. 156 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: It's a good way to you know, manage the predators too. 157 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: And I'm not a big killer. I let a lot 158 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: of stuff go, you know, but I do manage him. 159 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: You know. 160 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: It's a good managing tool. And yeah, hounds are important. 161 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. How many how many days a year do you 162 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: hunt your dogs? 163 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I at least at least one hundred and fifty, 164 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: probably pushing you know, one hundred and eighty, closer to 165 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: two hundred days, depend on the year, depending on the year. 166 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: But you know, I hunt. You know, I'll start hunting 167 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: here at the end of the November here and I'll 168 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: be hunting clear till March. You know, I'll go to 169 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: a show or two, but other than that, I'll be 170 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: hunting every day pretty much. And then you know, we 171 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: have a I do every once in a while in 172 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: false the fall season. Even last fall, I I bear hunted. 173 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: We have a good fall September season here. But that's 174 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: always been a tough one for me because you got 175 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: bugle and bulls or listening to the hounds. But I 176 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: try to do both, you know, all all hunt a 177 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: week or so sometimes if I'm lucky and September, you know, 178 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: if the bugle is slow or something and one of 179 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: my clients want to go on a bear hunt or something, 180 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: I'll do that. And then but and then in the 181 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: spring and summer, you know, I'm hunting. I'm hunting from 182 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 2: around April fifteenth or May first, somewhere right in there, 183 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: you know, depending on what unit's open. I'm clear till 184 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: the end of July. 185 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 186 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: So and I mean I don't miss too many days. 187 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah in between so yeah, well they rack up pretty fast. 188 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah right, and your dogs show it. I mean they 189 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: get hunted a lot. They're they're just they're they're in 190 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: good shape. They know what to do. I had the 191 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: pleasure to go and cat hunt with you, and then 192 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: Phelps came out and we went bear hunting that time, 193 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: and I really wanted Jason to get to shoot the bear, 194 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: and the bear kept running over into into area the 195 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: he couldn't hunt because he was a non resident, but 196 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: I could since I was a resident because of licensing 197 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: and stuff hound hunting licensing. But anyway, that was funny 198 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: because you know, yeah, Jason and I'm like, I'm I 199 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: hope you get the bear, but in the end I 200 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: got the bear. Yeah, so you got the red star. Yeah, 201 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: that was pretty fun. 202 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: That was fun. I enjoyed meeting Jason and hunting with 203 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: him as well. And you guys are a lot of 204 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: fun fun to be around just at camp even Yep. 205 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we we even videoed that one, So if you 206 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: guys check out the Phelps YouTube channel, that one's on 207 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: there too. But the real reason I brought Bradley on 208 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: today is I wanted to kind of go over some 209 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: some common mistakes made by elk hunters. Every year, he 210 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: has a lot of folks he brings hunting. Every year, 211 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: he sees a lot of people come through the door. 212 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: He's been he's been guiding a lot of years, and 213 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, some of the things that people could do 214 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: to help their success maybe before they get here and 215 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: while they're here on hunting, whether whether you're on a 216 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: guided hunter, a di y, I mean, this is all 217 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: applicable stuff. So I kind of I thought, you know, 218 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: I always have my ideas of mistakes people make, but 219 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: that's usually I'm like looking inward at my own mistakes. 220 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: So as as someone that's taken lots of people hunting 221 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: every year, you probably see a few things that like 222 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: people that may not think about before they ever come hunting. 223 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: And it'd be really good for our listeners to hear 224 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: those those problems and and and mistakes and maybe find 225 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: a way to avoid those before they come hunting. 226 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, for sure, that's important stuff. And I think 227 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: UH the most common probably the number one thing it 228 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: seems obvious on an elk cut, you know, And this 229 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: definitely depends on the hunt you're going on. But we're 230 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: talking elk here is UH is being in shape. You know, 231 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: I take a lot of and I and I'm careful 232 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: when I say that because I do take a lot 233 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: of older people and stuff and so so you don't 234 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: have to be a elk shape guy, you know, I 235 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: mean one hundred percent, you know, But any kind of 236 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: exercise that you can do, you know, talk to your 237 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: outfitter that you choose, you know, kind of figure out 238 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: you know what kind of walk it, how many miles 239 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: a day and try to every day just walk it 240 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: at home, you know, for a couple of months before 241 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: your hunt. Any little bit helps helps up your odds 242 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: and helps us as a guide, you know, because we 243 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: can only go where you can go. And so that's 244 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: probably the number one thing that I see is just 245 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: people man, I should I should have exercised more, right, Yeah, 246 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: I should have been a little more prepared physically for 247 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: this hunt. I see that a lot, So it'd be 248 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: number one. 249 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I talked about this before on another podcast earlier 250 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: this year about getting ready for elk season and stuff. 251 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: And you know, no matter what your physical condition is, 252 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: when you art getting in shape, like you know, you 253 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: can do it, like maybe maybe get do an exercise 254 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: for you is walking around the block at home once 255 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: a day because you have a sedentary job, or maybe 256 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: you just you don't get out much, and you know, 257 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: you got to start somewhere, right, If you can walk 258 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: around the block every day for a month and then 259 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: make it two blocks three months, you know, you just 260 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: build upon that. By the time it's time to go 261 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: up hunting, you're gonna have You're gonna feel better than 262 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: just going from a sedentary you know, maybe a desk 263 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: job or something to immediately jumping into the mountains, you know, 264 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: maybe hiking roads and trails and off road or off 265 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: trailing through some steep stuff, you know, And I always said, too, 266 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: put put a backpack on, because you're probably gonna, you know, 267 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: be wearing a backpack with you, you know, and man, 268 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: your your old shoulders in your back. If you're not 269 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: used to carrying a backpack around, your shoulders and back 270 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: kind of can get sore after day one and by 271 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: the time the end of the hunt comes around, you're 272 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: about into shape. Carrying a backpack seems like for me 273 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: it is at least, But if I can, if I 274 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: can start carrying backpack a month before season as I'm 275 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: walking and doing my other exercise, you know, put a 276 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: little bit of weight in itto it. And if you're 277 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: doing this for a two month spread, by the time 278 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: elk season comes, maybe have forty pounds in your pack. 279 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: And that way, when you get out here in the mountains, 280 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: whether you're on a guided hunter of DIY, you know, 281 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: your back and your shoulders feel pretty good. You're not 282 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: going to be like, ah, this is I'm sore every 283 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: morning when I get up and I put my pack on, 284 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: and it's difficult. Now your mind's off task. Your mind's 285 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: thinking about your aching back or your legs that are 286 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: they're sore instead of thinking about elk hunting. 287 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: Yes, you nailed it there, so yeah, definitely use it 288 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: as an extentive to get in shape. You know, I'm 289 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: going on this hunting trip. 290 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: Man. 291 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to be an elite elite athlete, 292 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: which is awesome if you can get that way, but 293 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, getting better shape than you were before, and 294 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: you know it'll help absolutely. 295 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, just any little bit helps. Like I said, any 296 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: little bit so very important that you take that serious. 297 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: But and then I would say something that seems obvious, 298 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: but I bump into it a lot. Is people show 299 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: up here with their brand new boots still in the box. Yeah, 300 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,239 Speaker 2: I've ran out of band aids putting it on blisters. 301 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, guys, break your boots in. And I know 302 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: this is most people probably do know this, but I 303 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: see it a lot, again on depending on the hunt 304 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: you're on. If you're if you're going on a white 305 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: tail hunt somewhere and you're going to be setting in 306 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: a blind or a stand, you know, well, you you're 307 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: probably not doing a lot of walking, so you know 308 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: you could probably bring your boots brand new. 309 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: Men, but. 310 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: Put those boots on, break them in. However, you'd want 311 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: to wear them a lot, you know before where you 312 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: come on a hunt very important because you you don't 313 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: want to go, you know, hunt the first day and 314 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: then be kind of lamed up and sore and just 315 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: kind of miserable the rest of the trip, you know, 316 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: and and a lot of the places you might be 317 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: going with an outfit or you know, there might not 318 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: be a store real handy to go get a different pair, 319 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: try a different pair or whatever. So make sure they're 320 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: gonna work for your feet. And that's uh, I just 321 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: you it's just amazing how much I see that, you know, yeah, yeah. 322 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, and try to incorporate that in your 323 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: exercise rou team. So yep, you know, two months before 324 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: the hunt, you know, start breaking those boots in. You know, 325 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: wear them every day on your hike, wear them around town, 326 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: wear them shop, and wear them to work whatever where 327 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing chores in the yard, maybe mowing your lawn 328 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: or whatever. But yeah, a blister, it's so funny to me, 329 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: Like a blister, It's such a little thing. It's a 330 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: little part of your body, but it can just wreck 331 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: your day. You can wreck your hunt by having that 332 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: painful blister. Back there. It's like it'll stop you if 333 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: they get really bad, they'll stop you in your tracks 334 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: and you may have to take a couple of days 335 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: off to try to heal up before he could walk anymore. 336 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I've seen people just not go out. Yeah, 337 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: you know, it's crippled. They've paid for a hunt and 338 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 2: they're just like, I'm not I'm gonna hold back my 339 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: feet or sore. I'm kind of miserable, you know. And 340 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: I'll usually adjust for that, you know, as a guide, 341 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: you know, I we're kind of We've got lots of 342 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: places to hunt, so we're okay, well, he's pretty lamed up. 343 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: We need to take him over here, maybe set him. 344 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: You know, we'll work around it obviously, but you know, 345 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: it's just keep him in the moment. It's gonna put 346 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: a damper on your hunt. 347 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and bring in another thing about that point, 348 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: bring some I mean, Bradley said he've ran out of 349 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: some band aids. But bring some of your own stuff 350 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: to keep him in your pack. I like Luco tape. 351 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: You can get it on Amazon. Luco tape. It's like 352 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: a medical tape and this stuff, once you get it 353 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: stuck on it almost won't come off. You have to 354 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: like take it off, get it like soak in the 355 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: bathtub to get this stuff to come off. And it's 356 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: great for blisters. It's not bulky, it's real thin. It 357 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: almost looks like the tape that's on a rubber or 358 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: that's on a band aid. But it's like super sticky, 359 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: super tough. And you'll let's say you get a blister 360 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: on day one, you put you start getting a hot spot. 361 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: You put that over the hot spot and the blister 362 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: and get it stuck on there and that thing may 363 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: be on your foot at the end of the week, 364 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: like it will stay on there really good. So highly 365 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: recommend that stuff. 366 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah I'll have to get some of that and stick 367 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: in these cabins. 368 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, hunters will be happy for it. 369 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 370 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: Okay, something else I see a lot and uh, it's 371 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: not too big of an issue, but it's something to 372 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: think about, in my opinion, choosing your hunting partner. Like 373 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: now I'm talking about a guided hunt here. You know, 374 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: so we sell two on one, we sell one on 375 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: one hunts or two on one hunts, right, which a 376 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: two on one is is two hunters and one guide. 377 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: If you're not sure what that means. But uh, what 378 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 2: I see a lot as a guide is I'll I'll 379 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: get two buddies that'll that'll show up on a two 380 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: on one hunt. One of them is in shape and 381 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: one of them is not. And so kind of you know, 382 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: maybe if you can, you know, pair up with somebody 383 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: that's similar condition that you're in, if that makes sense, 384 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: because you know, it's a two on one hunt. So 385 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: I'm hunting you both. A lot of times we're walking 386 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: together in the morning, you know, in the evenings and stuff. 387 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: I'll set you in different spots, but cutting you know, 388 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: you know, we're hiking, you know, in the timber and 389 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: walking along ways, you know, and and uh, you know, 390 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: one guy's like I can't go anymore, you know, and 391 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: the other guy's like he's not even breaking a sweat, 392 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: you know. So I ran into that issue a lot, 393 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: and I and I do understand. Like on the flip 394 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: side of that is, you know, I get a lot 395 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 2: of father son things, you know, just you know where, 396 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: and a lot of times on those that Dad will 397 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: just go without me, take him, get him an elk, 398 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 2: you know. But it's something to think about, you know, 399 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: or least be aware of it. You know that your 400 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: partner could slow you down on the guid to two 401 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: on one hunt. 402 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I see it. Like another thing with hunting 403 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: partners is before your hunt. And I think people kind 404 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: of don't do this a lot because you'll talk to 405 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of folks is they don't 406 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: have a real good conversation with their partners. Get let's 407 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: get deep. Let's have a deep conversation with your hunting 408 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: partner and find out what they're expectations of the hunt 409 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: are and what are yours, because sometimes we kind of 410 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: assume what the expectations of the hunt is and then 411 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: when you get there, opinions or expectations collide and one 412 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: person's like, yeah, dude, I just want to go hunt 413 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: the mornings and come back and eat lunch and then 414 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: go hunt the evenings, and one guy's like, I want 415 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: to hunt all day. And if you have two different 416 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: mindsets like that, that can be a clash, and that 417 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: can be a big deal and you might end up 418 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: hating your buddy over the deal. I mean, so you 419 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: have to iron out any of those little bumps before 420 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: you ever go hunting. 421 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So. 422 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: You know, maybe the kind of style you use. You know, 423 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: maybe your friend he's more spot in stock, you know, 424 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: a minimalist when calling. Maybe you're very heavy on calling, 425 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: you want to use your calls a lot. Those two 426 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: people don't usually blend well when you hunt together because 427 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: one is like, geez, I wish that guy would just 428 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: quit calling, shut up, quit calling so much. The other 429 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: guy's like, man, why don't you blowies? Call some We 430 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: need to get these call He's out going. So those 431 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: two different mindsets are just really clash. So if you 432 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: can iron out your all your expectations and your your 433 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: thoughts of the hunt and stuff before you go, you 434 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: can really kind of figure that out, and then you 435 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: can explain to each other and like work that out 436 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: before you ever get there, and then when you get 437 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: there you know what to expect, and then you can 438 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: make you know, you can make it easy for each 439 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: other to have a good time. 440 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, those are good points for sure. I've definitely, uh, 441 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: I've seen I've actually seen hunting partners show up, you know, 442 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: laugh and having a good time, you know, the first 443 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: couple of days, and then literally at the end of 444 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: the week, drive back to Pennsylvania with a complete stranger 445 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: that was here this week that was close to him. Yeah, 446 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: that they were the hunting partners were so mad at 447 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 2: each other by the end of the week that they 448 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 2: didn't even ride home back home together. 449 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 450 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's pretty that's pretty extreme. But it's kind 451 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: of what you're saying. You know, they just clash too much, 452 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 2: you know, they one guy wanted to hunt this way, 453 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 2: the other guy wanted to hunt this way, and by 454 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: the end of the week they were just not real 455 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: happy with each other. So, yes, it's very important to 456 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 2: think that through. Yeah, yeah, or at least at least 457 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 2: be aware of it and talk about it. 458 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: Sure, stuff, and it may not be a complete deal killer. 459 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: Let's say you guys are doing your DIY hunt and 460 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: it turns out you want way different things out of 461 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: the hunt. But that doesn't mean you can't go and 462 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: camp together and enjoy each other's time in the evenings 463 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: or whatever. Camp together and then say, okay, but you 464 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: go this way, I'll go that way and i'll see 465 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: you tonight and if I get one, or you help 466 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: me pack it out. And if you get one, I'll 467 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: help you pack it out. You know, there's ways it's 468 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: still you know, it's not a completely deal killer. You 469 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: don't have to hunt maybe with each other side to 470 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: side all the whole time. But you know, there's there's 471 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: solutions to like if you if you enjoy your friend 472 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: or maybe it's a relative and you want to make 473 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: it hat work, there's ways of making it work and 474 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: still go, but not clash as much. 475 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely you can definitely 476 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 2: work it around, especially on it do it yourself. You know, 477 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: a two on one guided hunt. You know you're kind 478 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: of stuck, but I even can work around it some yeah, 479 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 2: you know, as in like set somebody somewhere and then 480 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: you know, hunt with the hunt with the other guy, 481 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: you know, on foot, and then alternate the next day. 482 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: I've done that, so there there's always ways around stuff. 483 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 2: But it's tough to think about for sure. Absolutely sure. 484 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: Another thing we want to move on optics and shooting distance. 485 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 2: That's when I first started outfitting our guidance hunts. You 486 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: know that the scenery around here has changed. You know, 487 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: there's more logging and stuff. You know, I hunted growing up. 488 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: I hunted the timber a lot, you know, and you 489 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: got a hundred yards shot and the timber was rare. 490 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: You know, it just really didn't happen around here, So 491 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: I didn't really shoot that, you know, that far away. 492 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: You know, I'd cite my gun in for one hundred 493 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 2: yards and go. You know, what I see a lot 494 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: a guided hunt is is uh, you know, they're not 495 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: from around here. A lot of times they might be 496 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: from back east or where wherever they're from. And how 497 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: how uh how hard it is for some of these 498 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: guys to see stuff. I'll see ylk, you know, and 499 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: and I can't get them to see them sometimes, you know, 500 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: and I'm I'm like, you know, trying to explain as 501 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: fast as I can. You know, you see that busted 502 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 2: off snob over there on the ridge, and they're like 503 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: right below it, a little bit to the right, and 504 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: they just can't see it. And so what I've learned 505 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: is a lot of times, you know, they'll they'll buy 506 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 2: an expensive hunt, you know, to go on and and 507 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: and be dedicated in a plane ticket or whatever, or 508 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: travel all the way out here, but they'll have a 509 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: forty year old pair of binoculars with them, you know. 510 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: So I think optics are are really important, especially and 511 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: back to what I meant by timber. You know, things 512 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: change around here. We can see so much, you know, 513 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: here in northern Idaho, or at least where I hunt, 514 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 2: you can see so much further now, you know all 515 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: the logging and stuff, log in and stuff. You can 516 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: glass a thousand yards or two thousand yards now, So 517 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 2: you don't want to have your chance on a guided 518 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: hunt and the elk walk into the timber. And I've 519 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 2: had it happen several times and never even laid eyes 520 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: on it. And I and it's even when you're a guy. 521 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: That's a horrible feeling because you think you're looking they're like, well, 522 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 2: I never seen it. You know, they're looking at you, 523 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I swear there was a nice five 524 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: point there, I promise, And they're kind of looking at 525 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: you funny. And you're like, okay, we're walking over there. 526 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: I'm showing you tracks. We're walked into the timber right right. 527 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 2: But so I think, and I'm not saying you have 528 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 2: to go spend a bunch of money on don't break yourself, 529 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: you know, if it's in your budget, though, you know, 530 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: by a decent pair of you know, ten by forty twos, 531 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: even you know something something better than grandpa's old pair 532 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: of binoculars. 533 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: Anyways, you know, yeah, you don't want grandpa's World War 534 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: two binoculars. 535 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: That's right, I know. 536 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: And and I can say, you know, there's some pretty 537 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: decent binoculars for two three hundred bucks. I mean, they're 538 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: not the best, but they're they're better than twenty years ago. Yes, 539 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: two or three hundred dollars binoculars. They've come a long ways, 540 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: and you know, by the best optics that you could afford. 541 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: There you go for your budget. 542 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: And another thing, this is off topic a little bit, 543 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: but same but but but relative to binoculars, there's nothing 544 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: worse than being hunting and you look up on the 545 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: hill and you see another hunter and they're eyeballing you 546 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: with their rifle scope. They're they're pointing their gun at 547 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: you and they're looking at you with their scope because 548 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: they don't have binoculars. And that's a pretty irving feeling. 549 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: And I feel pretty strongly about that. That's that's kind 550 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: of bs like. But binoculars, I think everybody can afford 551 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: a pair of good enough that you can tell that 552 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: you can scope out look through your bidos at a 553 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: guy or an elk or a deer or something. There's 554 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: no excuse to be throwing your rifle up and eyeballing 555 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: people with your scope. 556 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: So no, absolutely not. Yeah I've had that happen a 557 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: lot to me too. 558 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 559 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: Yes, have a pair of binoculars. Don't use your scope. 560 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: Nobody wants a gun pointed at him, that's for sure. Yeah, distance, 561 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: I think knowing your gun and knowing your bullets is 562 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: extremely important. I don't. I see this a lot where 563 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: either they brought old Grandpa's gun, you know, with a 564 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: again not a very good scope, you know, and they 565 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: can only shoot a hundred yards, you know. And I'm 566 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: not saying I'm a big line long distance shooter, and 567 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: I know some people are into that, some ain't, but 568 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: at least try to be able to shoot three hundred 569 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: yards in my opinion, I mean that's going to up 570 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: your chances so much where I hunt anyways. Well, and 571 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: another thing, I see a lot of people that will 572 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: show up here with the most expensive scope you could 573 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: think of, night Force whatever it might be, you know, 574 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: expensive fancy scopes, a fancy gun, and me and the 575 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: guys are like, hm, I want that guy, you know, 576 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: won't come to find out. He's only good to about 577 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty yards, He'll tell you, right, And 578 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: I just I kind of shake my head at that. Well, 579 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: why do you got all this expensive gear? You know? 580 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: But I think a practice in like if you're from 581 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: back East or somewhere, you know, I know, it's hard 582 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: to find a place to shoot. I know a lot 583 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: of my guys have told me, well, we don't really 584 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: have a spot to shoot three hundred, you know, and 585 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: so that could be a challenge. But practice further than 586 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: you think you're going to shoot, know, practice shooting aways 587 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: I think will up your elk hut a lot here 588 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: where I'm hunting, because anymore, you know, it's we can 589 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: take a four or five hundred yard shot easy anymore, 590 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: you know. And if you can't shoot that far, your 591 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,479 Speaker 2: opportunity might walk into the brush and that might be 592 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: your that might have been your only opportunity for that week. 593 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: So practice practice, you know, shoot even if you're not. 594 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 2: You know, when you're practicing, you know who cares if 595 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: you miss? You know, I mean, just shoot as far 596 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: as you you possibly want, you know, further than what 597 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: you think you're gonna shoot on the hunt anyways, right, 598 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: and then that helps. 599 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: And I think if if you can't get those long ranges, 600 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: if you can't get like that three hundred yard shot 601 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: at your local range, or you know, maybe broaden your 602 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: views a little bit, you know, search surrounding counties that like, 603 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: well there's that one shooting range over here that they've 604 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: got a really nice one. You they maybe they hauled 605 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: some competitions at them or whatever you may be, can 606 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: reach out to a thousand, but maybe before your hunt 607 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: go over there, just you may have to drive for 608 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: an hour to get to a place to where you 609 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: can shoot a distance. Or if that's just like I've looked, 610 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: I can't find nothing I would recommend, so maybe you 611 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: can shoot two hundred yards one hundred yards instead of 612 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: shooting a large target, make your target very small, make 613 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: the aiming point very smaller your target. So instead of 614 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: having a you know, a two feet by two feet 615 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: big piece of paper to shoot at, maybe now we're 616 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: shooting at a playing card, you know, and now you're 617 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: trying to shoot the diamond on the playing card. That's 618 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: your aiming point, right, and you're not just going to 619 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: sit on the bench at the at the range and 620 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: just shoot that like because typically when you're hunting, that's 621 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: not a shooting from a shooting benches is one hundred 622 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: percent never going to happen when you're on an elk 623 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: hunt or any kind of a unless you're shooting out 624 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: of your backyard. Right, So, shooting awkward positions, you know, 625 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: stand up, lay on the ground, take a knee, you know, 626 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: find yourself getting comfortable shooting those shots, getting those that 627 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: muscle memory down. I don't I'm not a big bipod guy. 628 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: But what I do instead of a bipod is I 629 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: use my hunting pack. I've got a pretty decent sized 630 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: hunting pack, and I get good at like pulling my 631 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: pack off, throwing it on the ground, put getting my 632 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: gun on it, laying down, finding the target, and then 633 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: executing the shot. So those little things will will help 634 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: you immensely. Like getting on target, it's really hard to 635 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: like sometimes find the animal and the scope, especially if 636 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: it's it's moving or something. And like you alluded to, 637 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: it's like the hunters like, I can't see it. I 638 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: can't see it, you know. I've seen this with my 639 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: wife and kids. Before you get them on something, they're like, 640 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: I can't see it. In the scope. I can't see 641 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: in the scope. It's really tough. So just this weekend, 642 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: I have my friend Lee out and he's new to 643 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: deer hunting, and we did some some drills with Instead 644 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: of using the rifle that he's gonna hunt with, we 645 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: used a twenty two, which is a full size twenty 646 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: two rifle with a full sized scope on it, and 647 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: by you know, putting it up quickly, finding the target 648 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: quickly in the scope and shooting and then just doing 649 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: doing that from different positions, standing up, laying down, kneeling, 650 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: all these different finding Maybe we did this with Lee. 651 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: We we there was a tree close by. Okay, let's 652 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: pretend that's the deer over there. You need to get 653 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: to that tree quickly and quietly and then find the 654 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: target leaning against the tree, rest your rifle on it, 655 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: take the shot. And that made that That helped him 656 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: a lot. He's like, Wow, I'm just I'm starting I'm 657 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: starting to get it, you know, I'm starting to feel 658 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 1: good about this. Then they have confidence in finding, finding 659 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: the animal and the scope and then making that shot. 660 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because I 661 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: that's a big issue you know with people just you know, 662 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of my hunters will have 663 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: the scope you know, turn zoomed way in, you know, 664 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: and you know too, and you realize, shoot, they've got 665 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: their their scope turned all the way up high power, 666 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 2: you know, have that you know, turn turned down and 667 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: then you got a little wider view to to look 668 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: and find it in your scope. But yeah, just uh 669 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: fiant in the scope as major. Yeah, I mean practice 670 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: and that's so easy to practice. Like Dirk said, you know, 671 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: you can. There's lots of things I got, you know, 672 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: we got ground squirrels around here, so my kids, you know, 673 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: and Amy and stuff. You know, that's you know, if 674 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: you have if you you got an opportunity to hunt 675 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 2: squirrels even you know, it's just good practice to getting 676 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 2: your gun pulled up and getting on stuff, you know, 677 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 2: because most of the time, as you know, they're not 678 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: standing there forever, you know, so you've got to be 679 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 2: quick and that could definitely cost you an ELK. 680 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, absofinitely, absolutely So. 681 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: I was not telling your outfitter if you have any 682 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 2: health issues. It's something I've learned on the fly. 683 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. 684 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: It's something you might not think of, you know, something 685 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: I didn't think about when I first started. And I'll 686 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 2: just I'll tell you what happened to me right out 687 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 2: of the gate, you know, when I owned the business. 688 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 2: You know, i've guided, you know since ninety nine something 689 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: like that. So but I've owned the business thirteen fourteen 690 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: years or whatever. But the first year or two, anyways, 691 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: I had a white tail hunter out here and I 692 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 2: said them, you know, I was setting them and pop 693 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: up blinds and tree stands and stuff. I could tell 694 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 2: right away this guy was extremely unpatient, which I don't 695 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: judge because I'm not the most patient guy setting in 696 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 2: a stand either, but he was getting a little frustrated 697 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: setting the stand, not really seeing much. And this guy 698 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 2: is probably i would say, around fifty early fifties something 699 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: like that. But anyways, I told him, I said, well, 700 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 2: I uh, why don't we, you know, go for a 701 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 2: walk and do a little spot and stock and I'll 702 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: bring my rattling horns and grunt tube and we'll see 703 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: if we can maybe rattle one in or just catch 704 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 2: one out there. You know, he was losing patience. So anyways, 705 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 2: I drove out somewhere and we started hiking, you know, 706 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: and setting up and rattling and grunt calling and not 707 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 2: having any luck. So we just kept getting a little 708 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: further further away, you know, and I just kept, you know, hunting. 709 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: I didn't have no reason to be back right away. 710 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 2: And we were walking through the timber there and he 711 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 2: tapped me on the back of the shoulder and he says, Brad, 712 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: and I could just see. I just looked at this 713 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 2: guy's face, and I mean, he just not look right. 714 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 2: He looks sick. And he says, I need you to 715 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 2: go back to the pickup and get my back pack. 716 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 2: I'm diabetic and I'm about to have a blackout. 717 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 718 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: Well I'm you know, I don't even really know what 719 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 2: that means at this point. And he's like, I need 720 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 2: you to hurry. I said, the pickup's like two and 721 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 2: a half miles away. He says, Brad, I need you 722 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 2: to get my backpack immediately. And I ran. I about 723 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 2: killed myself getting back to the truck, yeah, and getting 724 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 2: this guy's backpack for him and getting getting back getting 725 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: getting it back out. Luckily for this guy, I got, 726 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 2: I got his backpack out, and I can't remember he 727 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 2: had some medicine or a candy bar or something whatever 728 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 2: to help his diabetic. But he told me, you know, 729 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: I've been a diabetic for like thirty five years, and 730 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 2: he said that was the closest I ever was to 731 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 2: blacken out. And and I don't know, I don't understand 732 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: the diabetic real well, but what he told me was 733 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: a blackout is you pass out and you never wake 734 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 2: up if you're a diabat diabetic. So I was like 735 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: extremely close call, Like I was an eye opener for me. 736 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 2: Another story is anybody that's hunted in September, at least 737 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: around where I'm at Northern in Idaho, the bees can 738 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 2: be mean. I've I've had guys out there that were 739 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 2: allergic to bees and get stung and never had their 740 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: Like I said, this is early on in my guidance career. 741 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: You know this stuff I've learned. They never had their 742 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 2: insulin shot or whatever EpiPen. Sorry, yeah, and with them, 743 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 2: you know, well that's a big problem. You know, we're 744 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 2: we're out here a ways. You know, we're we're not 745 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 2: getting back to the truck anytime soon, even if we're running, 746 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: you know. And I've had some close calls like that 747 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 2: where people it was pretty scary, so very important I mean, 748 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 2: if you're not comfortable, you know a lot of times, 749 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 2: well you know, there'll be five or six clients in 750 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 2: a week and we're kind of all talking at night. 751 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 2: And if you're not comfortable blurting that out your health 752 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: issues in front of everybody at camp when you know 753 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 2: you're there the first night, just just pull your outfitter 754 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 2: aside and tell him, hey, you know, just so you 755 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 2: know what, you know, I've got a bad heart or 756 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: you know, I'm allergic to this, and make sure you 757 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 2: know you know that guy, you know, I don't think 758 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 2: you know, back to the to the deer hunt. I 759 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,399 Speaker 2: don't think he realized we were going to walk that far, 760 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: and I never really told him, so that was maybe 761 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 2: kind of my fault, and he knew better. He told 762 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 2: me he should have had that stuff with him, right, 763 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 2: but in his mind, we were just going to walk 764 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 2: out there one hundred yards and sure and come back 765 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 2: to the truck. So, you know, you can't leave it 766 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 2: all on your outfitter. If you if you know you 767 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 2: need that EpiPen or whatever it might be, make sure 768 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 2: you have it with you and your guide or your 769 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 2: outfitter is aware of it. 770 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. It's a really good point. Yeah, yeah, 771 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: I would never think of that, but I don't have 772 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: any life threatening issues right now, but I could see 773 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: where that'd be really a big problem. 774 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 2: Yes, it is, for sure. It's yeah, we take that 775 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 2: pretty serious. And I go over all that, you know, 776 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 2: with everybody the night they go up, just because, like 777 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 2: I said, I've learned this through through the years of guiding. 778 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 2: But definitely definitely let your outfit or know or if 779 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 2: you're doing it yourself, you know, make sure you have 780 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 2: all the stuff you might need. Another thing, I see now, 781 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: now this is a this don't I wouldn't say that 782 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 2: it's every hunt. Well obviously it's not every hunt, but 783 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 2: if I see it more on my on, like my 784 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 2: mountain lion hunts are even like a an archery l 785 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 2: hunt that I'm going to the back hunt and hunting 786 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 2: pretty hard and maybe even possibly staying a night out 787 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 2: there too. You know, if you if you've if you've 788 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 2: dreamed of going on an l count for our ten 789 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 2: years or whatever, and it's been something your bucket list, deal, 790 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 2: don't wait too long on pulling the trigger on that 791 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 2: I've guided. I don't know how many older guys that 792 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 2: they did their best, and God bless them, you know, 793 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 2: they they they finally got to a point in their 794 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 2: life where they could afford it. I guess, you know, 795 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 2: and show up and go on a hunt. But I 796 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 2: don't know how many times I've heard these words. I 797 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 2: should have done this twenty years ago. Man, I'm mad 798 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 2: at myself. Yeah, why didn't I do this twenty years ago? 799 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 2: So if it's something you we only live once, right, 800 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 2: you know, And if it's something you got, and I 801 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,919 Speaker 2: know for like me and my business, I can't speak 802 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 2: for other outfitters, but like my wife, if it's you know, 803 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 2: but this might be a do it yourself and you 804 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 2: just figure it out. But like if you going with 805 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 2: an outfitter, I know, like Amy's set up, especially with 806 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 2: some of the younger people you know that have kids 807 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 2: and a family, and we know how expensive it is 808 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 2: to to live nowadays. But well, she'll set up payment 809 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 2: deals for him. It might be a two year deal 810 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 2: right where they're making payments to pay for the hunt slowly, 811 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 2: but figure out something if it's on your mind. Don't 812 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 2: wait too long because time fly is man and we're 813 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 2: not going to have our youth forever. Yeah. 814 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, we're not. We're not getting any younger 815 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: every year or so. No. Yeah, that's a good point. 816 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 2: I think if you if you book with an outfitter, 817 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 2: you know, and you think you got a good, good 818 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 2: outfit that you're going with, and you're something bugged you. 819 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 2: You know, you're there for a week, something bugged you, 820 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,479 Speaker 2: something made you mad. Either the guy you know, maybe 821 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 2: he wasn't working hard enough, or the outfitter said something 822 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 2: to make make you mad, or the conditions where you 823 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 2: were sleeping, whatever it might be, weren't that good eight 824 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 2: you know. And and this is easy for me to 825 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 2: say because I'm the outfitter, but I think I highly 826 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 2: suggest you just go to the outfitter and with your 827 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 2: issue immediately, immediately and set down. And I know, for 828 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 2: me and my business, and I still do this. I'll 829 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 2: have a group of guys in in for the week 830 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 2: and and hunt them and I'll ask them at the 831 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 2: end of the week, you know, is there anything that 832 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 2: I could have done different or or maybe you know, 833 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 2: put in the cabins or or had you know, different meals, 834 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 2: or is there anything you can think of I could 835 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 2: have did different. I'd love to hear it, you know, 836 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 2: and we appreciate that. You know. So you might have 837 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 2: an issue that made you mad, But I think going 838 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 2: to the outfitter and talking to them, they're more like 839 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 2: more likely. I know, I am. I'm going to try 840 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 2: to make it right. You know, this is our reputation 841 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 2: on the line. I want to I want to make 842 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 2: it right and whatever that might take all I know, 843 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 2: I'll work with you if you come to me. I 844 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 2: just don't I don't really think. I really don't. I 845 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 2: don't really like the guy that you know goes and 846 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 2: just complains to other people. Right, Oh, this was horrible, 847 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 2: and this was this, and that might be. I mean, 848 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 2: I've heard horror stories. But I think if you have 849 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 2: an issue, it's important to let your guide know because 850 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 2: then they can work on it and maybe make a 851 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 2: better hunt for the next guy's coming. 852 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, Like, for instance, let's say the hot water 853 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: tank wasn't working and you just don't know. You don't 854 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: stay in the cabin. You gotta let them know. You 855 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: don't want to sit there all week with cold showers, right, 856 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: and then be mad that you had cold showers. They'd 857 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: be like, the dang hot water tank wasn't working or 858 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: the mattress was lumpy or something. You know, if there's 859 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: something bugging you, like gee whizz, they don't have decaf 860 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: coffee or some little things. Some little things go a 861 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: long way with people. You know, they they're not happy 862 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: with it. And if you mentioned it in early and say, hey, 863 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: do you think we could get some decaff or do 864 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: you think we could get a different mattress? I can't 865 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: sleep a wink. I'm sure you jump through a hoop 866 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: to oh you didn't know. Let's fix that thing up 867 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: and get you going right. Yeah, definitely. You want people 868 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 1: to be comfortable, Yeah, you. 869 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 2: Know, we want want you to be comfortable and want 870 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 2: you to have a good time. So yes, please let 871 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 2: let them know, you know. Yeah, if they don't know, 872 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 2: they don't know. 873 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: Or if it's your hunting partner. Let's say you're doing 874 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: a DIY and you're hunting partner's doing something that's really 875 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: great and non you don't stew on it all week, 876 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,239 Speaker 1: just say hey, man, can we have a talk. Say hey, 877 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: you're picking your nose all the time, really bugging me. 878 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 2: Whatever it is, right, whatever it is, make it too 879 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 2: much noise. 880 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: You're making too much noise. You can pick up your feet, 881 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, and if you do it with in a 882 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: diplomatic way is to act like a hot head or something. 883 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 1: Usually the other person's like, oh wow, they didn't know, 884 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: and be happy to you know, work on it, and 885 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: that way everybody's happy. And sometimes, you know, the person 886 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: maybe this complaining should then say was there anything I'm 887 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: doing this bugging you? And they may say, well, now 888 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: that you bring it up, snore like a freaking grizzly bear. Okay, 889 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'll try to work on that. 890 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember sleeping in a wall tent with you 891 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 2: want tell Yeah it was kind of loud. 892 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, dang it, Sorry about that. 893 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm sorry about I've held a grudge every since. 894 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: That's surprise you'll talk to me. 895 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 2: No, But those are definitely good things to go over, 896 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, you book a hunt with somebody, 897 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 2: These are things that you don't really think about until 898 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 2: you're there, you know. So they're small things, but they 899 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 2: add up, don't they for sure? Okay? Another thing I 900 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 2: see hunters making a mistake, which is might sound kind 901 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 2: of weird. And this all depends on the hunt you're 902 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,879 Speaker 2: going on, obviously, as I see hunters with too much 903 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 2: gear believe it or not. Oh yeah, yeah, it's just 904 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 2: completely like, what the heck we got going here? I 905 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 2: don't have room in my pickup for this time right right. 906 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 2: Which you know most outfitters, I think almost probably all 907 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,400 Speaker 2: of them and I know I do, is we have 908 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 2: a gear list. You know, we have a gear list. 909 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 2: This is what you have to have. So if you 910 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 2: book with an outfitter, make sure you get a gear list, 911 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 2: and you know, and then I might recommend some stuff 912 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 2: that you can bring or you don't have to, you know, 913 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 2: you know, just the basics. But and a lot of 914 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 2: it depends you know where you're going obviously, you know 915 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 2: if you're walking or camping or hiking in But my 916 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 2: style of hunt, you know where I hunt. You know, 917 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 2: a lot of times we hunt for two three hours 918 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 2: in the morning and then stuff kind of dies down, 919 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 2: then we kind of take a break. So what I 920 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 2: see a lot of these hunters they show up with 921 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 2: a fifty pound backpack loaded. I'm thinking, man, if we 922 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,879 Speaker 2: have to put a quarter on that thing, I'm really 923 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,280 Speaker 2: going to be heavy. But yeah, they've got more gear 924 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 2: and then they're in there than they'll ever use. And 925 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 2: then by the end of the week they're we're hunting, 926 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 2: and they're all that stuff staying in the pickup and 927 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 2: they realize they didn't even need it. They brought it 928 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 2: and it just set in the cabin or whatever, and 929 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 2: they've lightened up a lot. Yeah, because you know, that's 930 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 2: another thing that that's going to wear you down, is 931 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 2: just having too much stuff on you. And nowadays, you know, 932 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 2: it's kind of normal. You know, even me. It's like 933 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 2: I remember when I used to you know, grab a 934 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 2: pocket knife, two extra bullets, and a gun and go, 935 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 2: you know, pretty much. And now it's range finders and 936 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 2: radios and cell phones and all this stuff. You know, 937 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 2: it just adds up. Ye have the right gear, but 938 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 2: don't have too much of it for the hunt you're 939 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 2: going on. You just spend a lot of time researching 940 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 2: and asking a lot of questions and figuring out what 941 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 2: you're going to need. Do I really need this? Probably not. 942 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave it, you know, but I see that 943 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 2: a lot where guys are just way over overpacked. 944 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good good point. 945 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, shooting sticks. So this is something I just 946 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 2: thought i'd i'd bring up. So there there are say 947 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 2: there's three or four guys, four or five guides, whatever 948 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 2: I have here for the week. Honestly, it really I 949 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 2: like shooting sticks. I think I think they're important because 950 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,720 Speaker 2: I see a lot of missus as a guide shooting 951 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,720 Speaker 2: miss But I definitely have better luck with shooting sticks. 952 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,359 Speaker 2: But having the right shooting sticks are important to you know, 953 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,919 Speaker 2: if you're going to be setting somewhere and a pop 954 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 2: up blind or whatever, you know, you might you know, 955 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 2: choose your shooting stick a little different. I like ones 956 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 2: that are adjustable, quick, you know, pull the trigger and 957 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 2: just for the spot and stock, you know, like trigger sticks. Yeah, 958 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 2: I like those the best for the style of Elkhun 959 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 2: I do with the rifle. But then I have a 960 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 2: couple of guides that you know, they'll look at my 961 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 2: clients and say, break those things in half and throw 962 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 2: them over the bank because it's actually cost them, you know, 963 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,160 Speaker 2: they're fiddling around with their shooting stick, you know, and 964 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,479 Speaker 2: and and cost them milk. But I'm a firm I'm 965 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 2: a firm believer in shooting sticks, but they need to 966 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 2: be quick, you know, on the style elk kind I do. 967 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 2: Like a lot of times I'll pack the trigger sticks 968 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,919 Speaker 2: for the hunter. Oh and it works out good because 969 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 2: I'll use it, you know, rest my binoculars on or 970 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 2: something when i'm yeah, kind of spotting stuff, and then 971 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 2: if I see something, I can throw it out in 972 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 2: front of the client real quick and get their gun 973 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 2: on it. But shooting sticks and the right ones are 974 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 2: important for sure. 975 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I always kind of go back and forth, 976 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 1: like should I get some because my buddy Lee this 977 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: week he's knew a deer hunting, and like, should I 978 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 1: get some of the shooting sticks for him? 979 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 2: And should I not? 980 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: And like you say, they're kind of a pain in 981 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: the butt to carry, And I'm thinking I'm gonna get some. 982 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna think I'm gonna get some. Yeah, I think 983 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: you'll like they're good. Yeah, yeah, I might even like 984 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:51,319 Speaker 1: him for. 985 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,160 Speaker 2: Me, right, And again it goes back to having too 986 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 2: much gear? How much stuff do you want to be 987 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 2: fiddling around with too? But one man, Yeah, I know 988 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 2: I like the Actually for some of my heavier guns, 989 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 2: I like to arrest them if I can, you know, 990 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 2: And uh, you know there's different kinds you can go 991 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 2: with and practice with them. Yeah, you know. I get 992 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 2: guys here that we go out the first day of 993 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 2: their hunt and we see something they can't even figure 994 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 2: out how to unfold their shooting sticks or whatever they 995 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 2: got right, and so kind of maybe something else you 996 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 2: could maybe kind of practice with is getting those up 997 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 2: quick and it's all time, right, I mean, we got 998 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 2: sometimes you just don't have a lot of it on 999 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 2: the hunting, so you don't want it to like like 1000 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 2: one of my guides, Travis always says it it's cost 1001 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 2: me more ILK than messing around with their shooting sticks, 1002 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 2: you know. 1003 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:37,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1004 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,280 Speaker 2: But anyways, something to think about. 1005 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: If people are looking to book with an outfitter, I 1006 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: thought I should ask you, so, what kind of questions 1007 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,479 Speaker 1: should you ask an outfitter before you put your money down? 1008 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 1: So I feel like there's probably some questions you need 1009 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: to ask. You maybe need to do some checking. What 1010 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: do you what do you what do you recommend when 1011 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,280 Speaker 1: you're vetting an outfitter? 1012 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 2: Yes, that's the very important ask a lot of questions 1013 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 2: first of all. And don't be scared to If say 1014 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 2: you're at a trading show or something you've walked around 1015 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 2: and kind of looked at, don't be scared to ask questions. 1016 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 2: Don't be nervous. Just start somewhere, walk up to an 1017 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,839 Speaker 2: outfitter and start somewhere. Just ask them questions. We're not 1018 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,399 Speaker 2: gonna judge anybody, or at least I'm I know, I'm 1019 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 2: not on any questions they asked. Just just get the 1020 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 2: conversation rolling. It'll go into place. But it might not 1021 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 2: be the first question I asked if I go up 1022 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,839 Speaker 2: to somebody's an outfitter's booth or something. But one thing 1023 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 2: that you're gonna gonna walk and I think is important 1024 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 2: is references. Yea, and fairly recent references don't have references. Yeah, 1025 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 2: I huntred with them ten years ago, you know, right, 1026 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,399 Speaker 2: you know, in the last year or two, get get 1027 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,359 Speaker 2: some references. And I know that I when I'm at 1028 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 2: a show, I actually have a list of references, and 1029 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:07,360 Speaker 2: on my references, I actually have people. Obviously, obviously people 1030 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 2: are kind of of course, you're not going to put 1031 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 2: some guy that had a bad hunt on there and 1032 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 2: that and that is true, I mean, you know, to 1033 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,160 Speaker 2: an extent. But why I think it's important to ask 1034 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 2: him is well, on my back to mine, it's I 1035 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,800 Speaker 2: have people that killed stuff, and I actually have people 1036 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 2: that didn't kill stuff, right with me? I think that's important. Sure, 1037 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 2: you know, if your outfitter doesn't supply the guy you're 1038 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,960 Speaker 2: looking to go with. If he doesn't supply like references 1039 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,799 Speaker 2: that that didn't kill maybe ask him, you know, like, hey, 1040 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 2: can I have a couple of guys's phone numbers that 1041 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 2: you know weren't successful with you? 1042 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1043 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 2: You know. And and one thing I've learned in this business, 1044 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,440 Speaker 2: in any business, I think you could probably agree, Dirk, 1045 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 2: is you're not going to make everybody happy, right, So 1046 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 2: one or two guys that complain about and out I 1047 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't think too much in it, you know, right, because 1048 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 2: I think any outfitter that's been in business for a 1049 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 2: while is going to probably have a couple guys that 1050 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 2: can find something to complain about. 1051 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: Right. 1052 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:12,960 Speaker 2: That's just how it is. 1053 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: But it's really hard to make everyone happy out there. 1054 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 1: It is, as as hard as you try, you know, 1055 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 1: it's sometimes just like maybe it's a personality thing. Maybe 1056 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 1: it's maybe they expected way too much out of an 1057 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: outfitted hunt. 1058 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 2: It's hard to say, right yep, So definitely check with 1059 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,600 Speaker 2: that and that. If he doesn't have any references, I'd 1060 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 2: be a little leary, you know, maybe go on on. 1061 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,600 Speaker 2: Like I said, when I'm at a trade show, I 1062 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 2: have him there, and I might not hand them out 1063 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,360 Speaker 2: to everybody, But if I'm talking to him and I 1064 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 2: think they're pretty interested in book a hunt with me, 1065 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 2: I'll say, why don't you take some references? And yes, 1066 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 2: And they might be some guys that have hunted with me, 1067 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 2: and I know they're gonna talk highly of me, but 1068 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 2: they might not even just be about me or my 1069 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,799 Speaker 2: fan Well it would be too, but it might be 1070 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,359 Speaker 2: something that I forget to tell you, Like you could 1071 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 2: ask them, you know, well, how how was the cabins 1072 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,839 Speaker 2: you stayed in? How is the food right? You know, 1073 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,240 Speaker 2: there's lots of questions that you could ask somebody on 1074 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,920 Speaker 2: a reference and kind of you know, were you did 1075 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,759 Speaker 2: they run you into the ground? I mean, did you 1076 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 2: have how far did you walk? You know, there's a 1077 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 2: lot of things they can ask them, so so important 1078 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 2: references are important. And I know not every outfitter hands 1079 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 2: those out because I've been at shows where I've handed 1080 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 2: them out and I've had had them come back and say, 1081 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 2: by the way, you're the only outfitter that that handed 1082 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:41,920 Speaker 2: me references. 1083 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,280 Speaker 1: Really like, oh, it feels like that'd be kind of standard, really. 1084 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 2: And it would, I would think, But I've had them 1085 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 2: do that, and I'm sure most outfitters do or at 1086 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 2: least have them if the client ask, and they might 1087 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 2: not hand them out unless you ask too, because you know, 1088 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,719 Speaker 2: I don't want fifty sixty people call and a guy 1089 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,080 Speaker 2: so right, it could. 1090 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,279 Speaker 1: Be serious inquiries, Yes, exactly, sure. 1091 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,360 Speaker 2: Definitely ask again, lots of questions. How physical is the 1092 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,680 Speaker 2: hunt I'm going to be? You know what kind of 1093 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,919 Speaker 2: terrain out altitude? You know what am I looking at? 1094 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 2: Because I get a lot of guys here that, you know, 1095 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,759 Speaker 2: maybe miscommunication and stuff on their and our mind. Even 1096 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 2: you know, I've learned, I'm learning I'm only human. But 1097 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,880 Speaker 2: on I just didn't think it was going to be 1098 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,000 Speaker 2: this hard, right, you know, I thought i'd be a 1099 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 2: little more of a challenge, you know, really get detailed 1100 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 2: on that for sure. 1101 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: And and maybe you should tell the outfitter explain your expectations. 1102 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,840 Speaker 1: This would Here's where a dream old would be to me. 1103 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,800 Speaker 1: You know, I wake up every morning about nine am 1104 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,480 Speaker 1: to a five star breakfast. I sip coffee for a 1105 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,799 Speaker 1: while as I look at the lake and enjoy a 1106 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: beautiful view, and then out ten week, get in the 1107 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: vehicle and drive around and look for animals and maybe 1108 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 1: take a shot or two, and then we get back 1109 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,400 Speaker 1: early and I take a soak in the hot tub, 1110 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,080 Speaker 1: and yeah, you know, isn't that that I mean, I'm 1111 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 1: being silly of here, But but you have to like 1112 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,720 Speaker 1: find out, like tell the outfit or what your expectations 1113 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: are and he might just say, well, that's not really 1114 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: the kind of hot we do. 1115 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 2: Yep, we don't. 1116 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: This is more what we do. And you know, kind 1117 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: of like I feel like that whole expectations versus reality 1118 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,400 Speaker 1: thing is what really throws people off sometimes. So if 1119 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: you don't tell them that your expectations, you may just 1120 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: go there thinking it's something it ain't right if you 1121 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 1: haven't asked the questions, and like you just assume all 1122 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 1: these things. 1123 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 2: Yep, that happens a lot, you know. And I've told people, 1124 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 2: you know, several times, you know that we're detailed about 1125 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,720 Speaker 2: that that I'm not sure I'm the guy you're looking for, right, 1126 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,440 Speaker 2: you know, I'll recommend I'll recommend a few guys to Yeah, 1127 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,120 Speaker 2: but I think you'd you would have a little more 1128 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,480 Speaker 2: of an experience with what you want, you know, So yes, 1129 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,480 Speaker 2: and and so important to know what you're getting into 1130 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 2: and if you're gonna like it or not? You know. 1131 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,480 Speaker 2: Another one is, uh, I hear, you know, I hear 1132 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,280 Speaker 2: all the A lot of these guys that hunt with 1133 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 2: me have been hunting other with other outfitters and and 1134 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,120 Speaker 2: different places and stuff. And and one I hear the 1135 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 2: hunter's complaining about not not necessarily my setup. I feel 1136 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,160 Speaker 2: like I have a decent setup for sleeping. But make 1137 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 2: sure you're asking the outfitter. You know where am I 1138 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,320 Speaker 2: sleeping at? You know, like, oh, you know am I? Now? 1139 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 2: Now I know I wouldn't you know, might not bother 1140 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 2: some people, but I wouldn't want to show up on 1141 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,840 Speaker 2: a guide to hunt and be stuck with five guys 1142 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 2: sleeping in the same tent or you know that I 1143 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 2: don't know right and that might not you know, I 1144 00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,680 Speaker 2: would if i'd at least want to know about it, 1145 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,640 Speaker 2: you know, like who am I going to get stuck with? 1146 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 2: Am I going to be sleeping with the cook somewhere? 1147 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 2: You know, whatever it might be? You know, have that 1148 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,480 Speaker 2: all ironed out, you know, so there's no when you 1149 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 2: get there, it's all about hunting. There's no surprises, you. 1150 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 1: Know, I mean, in a bunk house with eight beds 1151 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 1: and seven guys snoring. 1152 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 2: Like yep, bulldogs. 1153 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so I'll need earplugs yeah, or maybe I 1154 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to do that, all right, 1155 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,320 Speaker 1: Who knows. 1156 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 2: I've like I said, I've heard horror stories of mice 1157 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 2: crawling on people and these old shocks have been in 1158 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,440 Speaker 2: spiders and all kinds of you. Who knows. You know, 1159 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:44,200 Speaker 2: just be aware where you're gonna be. And I think 1160 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,120 Speaker 2: we movie might have touched on this a little bit, 1161 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,280 Speaker 2: but uh, you know, ask ask your outfitter how how 1162 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,680 Speaker 2: far you're going to be shooting? Very important, and like 1163 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,520 Speaker 2: we talked earlier, practice to what what they say? You know, 1164 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 2: if like I usually tell my hunters, I kind of 1165 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,120 Speaker 2: I kind of expect or would like you to be 1166 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 2: able to shoot three hundred yards. 1167 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so practice to four hundred Yeah, you know that 1168 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,120 Speaker 1: way three hundreds of chip shot. 1169 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 2: That's right. So definitely ask him that and then you'll 1170 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 2: have a little bit of an idea. 1171 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Mm hm. 1172 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,040 Speaker 2: You kind of already talked about this, but what style 1173 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 2: of hunt and is it gonna is it gonna fit 1174 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 2: you? You know like you were you were just kind of 1175 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 2: brought up, you know, definitely make sure you're gonna if 1176 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,920 Speaker 2: you pull the trigger on a hunt, that you're going 1177 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,200 Speaker 2: to be happy with it. 1178 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: You know what you're getting into. 1179 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 2: And I think if I'm if I'm walking around to 1180 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 2: trade show or something and trying to pick out and 1181 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,760 Speaker 2: outfitter and I find one and I'm I'm asking him 1182 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,040 Speaker 2: his I'm asking him a lot of questions, you know, 1183 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,520 Speaker 2: But I think I'm really going to be trying to 1184 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,640 Speaker 2: to to look at this guy and and and see 1185 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 2: is that is hunting really? This is it his passion 1186 01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:00,000 Speaker 2: or is this just a way to make really a living? 1187 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,640 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, and I might and you 1188 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,720 Speaker 2: can you can tell by talking to somebody, you know, 1189 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, really quick, bring up some hunts, like what 1190 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 2: kind of hunts do you like to to go on? 1191 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 2: What's your favorite hunt? You know? And and see if 1192 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,640 Speaker 2: you see that spark in their eye, and I think 1193 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,120 Speaker 2: that that is I think that I just feel like 1194 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 2: them guys are really gonna really gonna try harder, no 1195 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:31,000 Speaker 2: hunting better. You know, They're gonna they're just gonna be 1196 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 2: a better choice for you, if you can tell, because unfortunately, 1197 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,360 Speaker 2: in this business there's there's what I call businessmen, you know, 1198 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,800 Speaker 2: and I guess I'm one too, But you know, they're 1199 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 2: they're pushing numbers and and they might not they might 1200 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 2: not even hunt themselves really. 1201 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Right, they just have a crew, guys, they have a crew. 1202 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,720 Speaker 2: They might not guide even you know, so so definitely 1203 01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 2: try to see what what you think there. Another good 1204 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,000 Speaker 2: one is find out how many people are going to 1205 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,560 Speaker 2: be in camp? Oh yeah, you know, And I know 1206 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 2: for me, I run a pretty small business. But I 1207 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,920 Speaker 2: know if I go somewhere, I don't necessarily want to 1208 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 2: show up and there'll be twenty thirty people in camp 1209 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,479 Speaker 2: for the week, right. You know that's a big red 1210 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,240 Speaker 2: red flag to me of somebody just either And I 1211 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 2: get you know, we have to as outfitters. We've got 1212 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,720 Speaker 2: leases and there's a lot that goes into it, so 1213 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,680 Speaker 2: we have to book a certain amount of hunters to 1214 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:38,040 Speaker 2: make it, or we're allocated tags or whatever. But you 1215 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,720 Speaker 2: don't want to go to somewhere where they're just flat 1216 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 2: being greedy and they're pumping as many you're just a number, right, 1217 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,280 Speaker 2: We're pumping as many hunters a week as we can 1218 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,720 Speaker 2: get to go. You know, keep that in mind, you know, right, 1219 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,120 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that you're necessarily going to have 1220 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,560 Speaker 2: a bad hunt. I would just keep that in mind, right, 1221 01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:56,520 Speaker 2: you know when you're looking. 1222 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, because some places, you know, they might have a 1223 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: like a gigantic vast area of you know that the 1224 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,680 Speaker 1: lease or they're hunting on. It's just like you're never 1225 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 1: going to see be close to any but any of 1226 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,880 Speaker 1: the other hunters all for a week. You know, you'll 1227 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,880 Speaker 1: see them at breakfast and dinner, but that would be it. 1228 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,120 Speaker 1: But other places maybe maybe you might be like, oh, 1229 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,560 Speaker 1: the glassing across the hillside, though, there's old Joe from 1230 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:22,440 Speaker 1: the breakfast. 1231 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 2: Table that looking to me. 1232 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,280 Speaker 1: You know, if it was a place that had a 1233 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 1: lot of hunters in camp, probably better have a very 1234 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 1: vast area to to to take their clients into and 1235 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,480 Speaker 1: not be stumbling over each other. 1236 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,760 Speaker 2: Yes, right exactly. And when you're and you're walking around 1237 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,800 Speaker 2: on the show, same thing, make sure you're you're talking 1238 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:50,840 Speaker 2: to the owner operator, you know, I mean and and 1239 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 2: again I'm not saying that you shouldn't go through a 1240 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 2: booking agency, but at least to be aware of that, 1241 01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,680 Speaker 2: like ask those questions like are you the owner, are 1242 01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,160 Speaker 2: you the operator? Are you going to be there? Are 1243 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 2: you going to be guiding, because I've known lots of 1244 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,160 Speaker 2: my hunters say, you know, they booked a hunt with 1245 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,520 Speaker 2: a guy and he wasn't even there when they showed up, 1246 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,720 Speaker 2: you know, and kind of caught him off surprise, you know. 1247 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,160 Speaker 2: And and at least if you do go through a 1248 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,680 Speaker 2: booking agent, you know, like I said, I don't personally 1249 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,440 Speaker 2: use them because I run a small business and I 1250 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 2: want to be more personal. Sure, I want to talk 1251 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:26,800 Speaker 2: to the people that are going to come with me 1252 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,880 Speaker 2: and stuff. But if you do go through a booking agent, 1253 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,960 Speaker 2: at least you know, ask that booking agency, how can 1254 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,800 Speaker 2: I contact the owner you know and get a little 1255 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,120 Speaker 2: more detailed and personal with them? Sure, you know, and 1256 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,160 Speaker 2: know you know, like okay, are you going to are 1257 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,440 Speaker 2: you going to be there? Do you guide? You know? 1258 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 2: If they're not Again, if they're not guiding and not involved, 1259 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,080 Speaker 2: you know, it'd probably be a little bit of a 1260 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 2: red flag for me. Oh yeah, yeah sure. And then 1261 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,840 Speaker 2: another another question you'd ask him is how much ground 1262 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,200 Speaker 2: do you got to hunt? Yeah, if there's f I've 1263 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,600 Speaker 2: guys in camp and you've only got eight hundred acres 1264 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,200 Speaker 2: to hunt, well that you might want to stay clear 1265 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,920 Speaker 2: of that you know and outfitters. I know, Like how 1266 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,479 Speaker 2: my my business works is, I'm I've got my own 1267 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,720 Speaker 2: outfitting area and I do all public ground hunts, you know. 1268 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,000 Speaker 2: But I'm the only outfitter in that area, and I 1269 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,880 Speaker 2: have tons of ground and and you know, we're not 1270 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 2: going to run out of spots, you know, I'm confident 1271 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,240 Speaker 2: of that. You know, I've got like six hundred square miles, 1272 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,600 Speaker 2: you know, but not every outfitter. Some outfitters might have 1273 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 2: more or less, you know. So I think that's an 1274 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,600 Speaker 2: important question to ask, you know, like how much ground 1275 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,600 Speaker 2: do we have to hunt? And if you don't have 1276 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,160 Speaker 2: much ground to hunt, you know, I'm not saying you 1277 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,280 Speaker 2: wouldn't be successful, but it's something to it would probably 1278 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 2: raise a little bit of a red flag. Yeah, I 1279 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,680 Speaker 2: like breathing room, right, you know, Right, I can't find something, 1280 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 2: some something on this mountain. I want to go to 1281 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 2: another one, right, you know? 1282 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 1283 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,640 Speaker 2: How long has our guides been working for them? You know, 1284 01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:02,880 Speaker 2: that's that's an important one to ask, I think to 1285 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,760 Speaker 2: an extent, so a lot of my guides have been 1286 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,479 Speaker 2: I've been lucky. I've had some guides that have worked 1287 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,600 Speaker 2: for me from day one. I mean they're excellent hunters, 1288 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,840 Speaker 2: and I'm grateful for that, but I think it's important 1289 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,960 Speaker 2: to ask. I've been back East at at shows and 1290 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,960 Speaker 2: I've had outfitters literally hiring guides from back East to 1291 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,360 Speaker 2: come work for him and and Idaho, and I'm thinking, 1292 01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,120 Speaker 2: Holy cal that there's no way I'd run my business 1293 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 2: like that, right, So you want to you want to 1294 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,240 Speaker 2: know who you're getting for a guide, you know, and uh, 1295 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,280 Speaker 2: those are important and just because they're you know, guy's 1296 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,840 Speaker 2: got to start start somewhere. I just trained one up 1297 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,600 Speaker 2: three years ago. Super good, young kid, does a great job, 1298 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,919 Speaker 2: and the technology we got just because it's his first year, 1299 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,000 Speaker 2: you know, I I kind of explained to him and 1300 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,720 Speaker 2: I and I I put way points and stuff on 1301 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,919 Speaker 2: his on X or base map or whatever he has, 1302 01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,800 Speaker 2: and and you know, tell him, you know, guide him 1303 01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,520 Speaker 2: through like this is how you need to hunt the hunters, 1304 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,520 Speaker 2: you know. So he'll be just as we all kind 1305 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,480 Speaker 2: of hunt the same style, so he'll be just as 1306 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:12,520 Speaker 2: successful usually, you know. But it's important to know who 1307 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,120 Speaker 2: you're going to have for a guide and how experienced 1308 01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 2: they are, for sure, Definitely a question i'd be asking. 1309 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's super important because you know, 1310 01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,200 Speaker 1: if and it might tell you something a little bit 1311 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,640 Speaker 1: about the outfit. If if they have a revolving door 1312 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:33,439 Speaker 1: of guides coming and going, maybe there's something else going 1313 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,880 Speaker 1: on too, right, But if they've got you know, guides 1314 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,520 Speaker 1: that have been with them for a really long time, 1315 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,680 Speaker 1: that means, you know something things are getting done right 1316 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,840 Speaker 1: around there, and it's been a good experience probably for 1317 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,720 Speaker 1: the hunters and the guides to keep coming back every year, 1318 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,040 Speaker 1: and a good outfit to work for. 1319 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. And you know if you do, if you 1320 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,440 Speaker 2: do find out you you're getting a newer guide. You 1321 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,840 Speaker 2: know it's his first or second year iden. You know, 1322 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,600 Speaker 2: try to dig into how long has he been a hunter? Yeah, 1323 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,600 Speaker 2: you know, how long has he lived here in Idaho 1324 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,120 Speaker 2: or wherever you're hunting? You know, some other things to 1325 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:10,720 Speaker 2: think about. 1326 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he could be a country first year guiding, 1327 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,920 Speaker 1: but country boy has been hunting his whole life. And 1328 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know these knows, these mountains like on 1329 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,559 Speaker 1: the back of his hand, right yeah or maybe not? 1330 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, maybe maybe not. 1331 01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's important to get a good guide, that's for sure. Yeah. Well, 1332 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,479 Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. That was really great. All those 1333 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:38,200 Speaker 1: points you brought up on the biggest mistakes and the 1334 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,280 Speaker 1: had a best vet an outfitter. Whether you're vetting an 1335 01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,519 Speaker 1: outfitter or maybe you're vetting a hunting partner, those are 1336 01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,400 Speaker 1: some really good things to think about and conversations to have. 1337 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,840 Speaker 1: That way, you have a really good, a really good experience. 1338 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 1: Do you have any closing thoughts? Yeah, I think i'd 1339 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,280 Speaker 1: it is is uh. 1340 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,519 Speaker 2: No matter if you're doing it, do it yourself or 1341 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,479 Speaker 2: or guided hunt. Go in with a positive attitude, you know, 1342 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,599 Speaker 2: go in You know you might not kill one, that's 1343 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,160 Speaker 2: just reality, but go in there. I'm gonna have a 1344 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,920 Speaker 2: good time no matter what happens, you know, I'm I'm 1345 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,840 Speaker 2: gonna be positive. I'm gonna set a positive tone for 1346 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,000 Speaker 2: the whole camp. Yeah. I love those kind of guys 1347 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,720 Speaker 2: that they're just they're positive from the day they walk 1348 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,840 Speaker 2: in till the day they walk out, and if they 1349 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,160 Speaker 2: don't kill kill one, they're still positive. We love those 1350 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,960 Speaker 2: type of guys. Just it just really sets the tone 1351 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,800 Speaker 2: for the whole camp for the week. And I love it. 1352 01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure does, you know, And and an attitude 1353 01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:49,479 Speaker 1: is so contagious, whether it's positive or negative. If you're 1354 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,599 Speaker 1: if you're exuding positivity and and having a good time 1355 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,920 Speaker 1: and people around you are gonna have that same vibe, 1356 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,400 Speaker 1: they're all gonna start having that same Maybe they're like 1357 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,320 Speaker 1: on the fence whether they want to be positive or not, right, 1358 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,160 Speaker 1: it's easy for them to follow follow suit, like, oh yeah, 1359 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,760 Speaker 1: that guy, he's kind of uplifting and cheering me up. 1360 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,720 Speaker 1: Now I'm positive too, But if you're kind of being 1361 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,440 Speaker 1: a poo poo, you know, if you're having a bad attitude, 1362 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,600 Speaker 1: then that's also really contagiousness. And it's actually really a 1363 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,880 Speaker 1: lot easier to have a bad attitude than it is 1364 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:29,639 Speaker 1: a good attitude. And my buddy Dan Stayton from Elk Shape, 1365 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,679 Speaker 1: he always says there's only two things on elk hunting 1366 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,759 Speaker 1: that you can control, and that's your attitude and your effort. 1367 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,120 Speaker 1: And that's so true. 1368 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:38,880 Speaker 2: That is true. 1369 01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:39,920 Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. 1370 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you said that, the negative attitudes are 1371 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,040 Speaker 2: just as intelligents. But I mean I tell all my guides, 1372 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,080 Speaker 2: no matter what happens, stay positive, and it really helps 1373 01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,160 Speaker 2: when the hunter, the actual hunter, is doing it. So yeah, 1374 01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,840 Speaker 2: that number one positive attitude. 1375 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:07,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, And you know guided hunts, I mean they're 1376 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,080 Speaker 1: just because you're going on a guided hunt doesn't mean 1377 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,160 Speaker 1: it's any less of a hunt than a than a 1378 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,480 Speaker 1: do it yourself for I feel like there's this attitude 1379 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,280 Speaker 1: out there in the hunting world right now that oh 1380 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,200 Speaker 1: it's a guided hunt. Oh oh you drew a tag. 1381 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:28,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't over the counter do it yourself hunt. You know, 1382 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,360 Speaker 1: some people kind of turn their nose up at that, 1383 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,160 Speaker 1: and that's you know what, that's not right. You know, 1384 01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:38,040 Speaker 1: the outfitted hunts is still a hunt. You have to 1385 01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,960 Speaker 1: show up, you have to work hard, you have to 1386 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,479 Speaker 1: you know, you have a guide there helping you. You know. 1387 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,519 Speaker 1: So we're all in this together. We shouldn't We shouldn't 1388 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,639 Speaker 1: be trying to tear each other down. You know, as 1389 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,480 Speaker 1: long as the method someone else chooses to hunt is 1390 01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,840 Speaker 1: is legal, and you know they're they're observing ethical standards, 1391 01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, we should support them. You know, we shouldn't 1392 01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:01,719 Speaker 1: run them down. 1393 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,840 Speaker 2: Yep, don't divide, don't divide. 1394 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,720 Speaker 1: We're all in this together. There's too many people trying 1395 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,320 Speaker 1: to tear take away their hunting rights and take trying 1396 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,000 Speaker 1: to tear down hunting as it is. We don't need 1397 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,320 Speaker 1: to do it as as hunters, right yes, and thank 1398 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,120 Speaker 1: you for bringing that up about a guided hunt. I 1399 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 1: appreciate that because yes, as a guide, you know, I'm 1400 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,240 Speaker 1: still hunting with hunters you know that come with me. 1401 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,040 Speaker 2: Oh they're still they're good hunters. They hunt at home, 1402 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,680 Speaker 2: they're just not real familiar and you can learn a lot. 1403 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,439 Speaker 2: I mean, they can learn a lot if you're I 1404 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:36,280 Speaker 2: take these kids up north here that you know, we're 1405 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,520 Speaker 2: really wanting to get into calling and do it themselves. 1406 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,960 Speaker 2: And they actually booked a couple hunts with me and 1407 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,479 Speaker 2: it's worked out real good. They've learned a lot and 1408 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,040 Speaker 2: they're out there calling in Elk now by themselves and stuff. 1409 01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you're there with a good guide for a 1410 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,559 Speaker 2: week and you're paying attention, you can learn a ton. 1411 01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, you have a seasoned guide that's been 1412 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,320 Speaker 1: doing this a long time. You can learn a lot. 1413 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,960 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe that's your goal is to someday do 1414 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:08,439 Speaker 1: it do it yourself type hunt or maybe not, or 1415 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:13,519 Speaker 1: or maybe you can go with an outfitter and they 1416 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,479 Speaker 1: they can provide a hunt that you would never be 1417 01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,280 Speaker 1: able to do on your own. You know, maybe they 1418 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,720 Speaker 1: own you know, a pack of hound dogs that are 1419 01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,880 Speaker 1: really well trained and they know the area very well. 1420 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,719 Speaker 1: For me, I I can't own a pack of hound 1421 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,680 Speaker 1: dogs and train them. I just just I don't have 1422 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,200 Speaker 1: the ability or do I have the space to do it, 1423 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,240 Speaker 1: and then and then where to do it? You know, 1424 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,240 Speaker 1: I can come with Bradley, we can go we can 1425 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,760 Speaker 1: go chase cats, or we can go chase bears, and 1426 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be an experience of a lifetime. So 1427 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's just buck your buck checking off 1428 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,720 Speaker 1: a bucket list thing, or or maybe maybe you've just 1429 01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,200 Speaker 1: never gone hunting before and you're intimidating just like you know, 1430 01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can do this by myself, 1431 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,800 Speaker 1: and I want to go with a guide and learn 1432 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,559 Speaker 1: everything he knows about elk hunting or deer hunting, whatever 1433 01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,200 Speaker 1: kind of hunt it is, and then next year I'll 1434 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,960 Speaker 1: feel comfortable to do it myself. And that's a great, 1435 01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,040 Speaker 1: great way. There's no shame in that game. That's a 1436 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,439 Speaker 1: great way to do it. That's it's smart actually, So. 1437 01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:20,240 Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, definitely, And yeah, i'd thank you for bringing 1438 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,240 Speaker 2: the hounds up, you know, just before we go here. 1439 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,080 Speaker 2: You know, if you have a chance, I feel like 1440 01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,679 Speaker 2: hounds are kind of misled a little. 1441 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,080 Speaker 1: Bit in a way. 1442 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:34,160 Speaker 2: You know, I know not everybody, but you know, I 1443 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,080 Speaker 2: just encourage anybody to go with a Try to find 1444 01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,000 Speaker 2: somebody with hounds if they're willing to take you and 1445 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,479 Speaker 2: and go out there and experience that. You know, there's 1446 01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,200 Speaker 2: a lot of hard work that goes into that. It's 1447 01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,120 Speaker 2: not just turn the dogs loose or pulling the trigger 1448 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,479 Speaker 2: as you know Dirk Oh so yeah, or you know, 1449 01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,120 Speaker 2: like Dirk said, you know, you might not have the 1450 01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,960 Speaker 2: knowledge or or the space or you know, the time 1451 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,559 Speaker 2: I am to raise a pack of dogs, but at 1452 01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,320 Speaker 2: least experience, you know, especially before you judge it. You know, 1453 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,519 Speaker 2: definitely try it out. I think just about anybody I 1454 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,680 Speaker 2: ever took out for the first time with hounds, I 1455 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,479 Speaker 2: pretty much hooked them. Oh yeah, it's fun. 1456 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, on social media anytime, like on the Phelps 1457 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,000 Speaker 1: page or even on my page or on our YouTube 1458 01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 1: videos where we've gone hunting with you and it's like 1459 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,839 Speaker 1: cound dog hunting for mountain lions or bears. Immediately immediately 1460 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,840 Speaker 1: there'll be somebody naysayer but like, no, thanks, oh, that's 1461 01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,920 Speaker 1: the lazy man's way or whatever. And they they'll say 1462 01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,479 Speaker 1: that about bear baiting too. And it blows my mind 1463 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:47,920 Speaker 1: because to me, hunting with hound dogs or baiting that 1464 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,599 Speaker 1: is like the opposite of the lazy man's way that 1465 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:56,320 Speaker 1: takes so much time, discipline, effort that I don't have, 1466 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,040 Speaker 1: Like I don't have time to deal to have dogs 1467 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:03,040 Speaker 1: and train them in and all that like, and then 1468 01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,880 Speaker 1: it's not like I just show up and shoot something 1469 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,240 Speaker 1: like we hunted all week, you know, and and you 1470 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:11,559 Speaker 1: got to be in the cold, you got to be 1471 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,080 Speaker 1: in the hot, you got to hike up in there 1472 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,320 Speaker 1: to the tree. I mean, there's more to it than that. 1473 01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:21,120 Speaker 1: It's it's in that baiting too. My buddy Cody Wilson 1474 01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:25,120 Speaker 1: went bear hunting left spring with him in in Wyoming 1475 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,920 Speaker 1: and and baiting. And people will pooh pooh on that. 1476 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,400 Speaker 1: They'll say, oh, that's the lazy man's way. If you've 1477 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:36,320 Speaker 1: ever if you've never baited bears, especially legally where you 1478 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,519 Speaker 1: have to do it for the law. You can't have 1479 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,559 Speaker 1: it next to a stream you can't have but next 1480 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,559 Speaker 1: to the road you get you have to do it right. 1481 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:49,840 Speaker 1: That is an astronomical amount of work and bait. And yes, 1482 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,920 Speaker 1: it's crazy to me that people can sit there and 1483 01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,880 Speaker 1: run it down. They obviously have never done it right. 1484 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,120 Speaker 1: They just see the maybe the fruits of people's success 1485 01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,000 Speaker 1: and maybe feel a little jealous or think, oh man, 1486 01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:07,200 Speaker 1: that's that must be nice or whatever. That's easy. It 1487 01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:08,320 Speaker 1: ain't easy, yep. 1488 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,320 Speaker 2: Definitely try it before you judge it. 1489 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:10,759 Speaker 1: Yep. 1490 01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,760 Speaker 2: And it's definitely, I can promise you, not easy. I've 1491 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,439 Speaker 2: got my whole life and dedicated to hounds, and I 1492 01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,040 Speaker 2: know exactly what it takes. And you know, the people 1493 01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,800 Speaker 2: that think it's easy, you know, go out and train 1494 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,840 Speaker 2: a pack of dogs and catch your first cat and 1495 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:28,599 Speaker 2: then we'll talk. 1496 01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a little different pit. Yeah. Well, man, 1497 01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,400 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much I appreciate you coming 1498 01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,680 Speaker 1: on here and sharing all your knowledge and stuff with me. 1499 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,800 Speaker 1: And and but I've been trying to get Bradley to 1500 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,280 Speaker 1: go elk cunting with me, and we've been kind of 1501 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,640 Speaker 1: talking about that and he said, you just wanted me 1502 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,000 Speaker 1: to call it an elk for you, which that's true, 1503 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,439 Speaker 1: But I want to really call one in for him 1504 01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,439 Speaker 1: really bad too. So I know one of these days 1505 01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,800 Speaker 1: we're going to probably put that together and hopefully we'll 1506 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,920 Speaker 1: get to film it share it with you guys. I 1507 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,160 Speaker 1: think it'll be a probably a head of a lifetime really. 1508 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,640 Speaker 2: Oh man, I'll be I definitely want to do that 1509 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,000 Speaker 2: and I'll look forward to that. And yeah, I'd love 1510 01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,880 Speaker 2: for the bugler to call me in a big six awesome, 1511 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,559 Speaker 2: even a big spike. I'm not too fill you don't 1512 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,479 Speaker 2: want you to have too much pressure. Perfect. 1513 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,720 Speaker 1: Perfect, We'll keep our expectations right, Yeah, I will talk 1514 01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,640 Speaker 1: it over again. Well, thanks again, appreciate it. 1515 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, Derek. I appreciate this. 1516 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,360 Speaker 1: Tell us where people can find you, okay, social and stuff. 1517 01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do have an Instagram page, you know, 1518 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,800 Speaker 2: I'm I think three. Well, I started Instagram right about 1519 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,280 Speaker 2: the time six seven months before you come about COVID year. 1520 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,960 Speaker 2: So I'm not the greatest on it, you know, but 1521 01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,439 Speaker 2: I'm on there. You can look me up. We have 1522 01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,960 Speaker 2: a website Idaho whitetailguides dot com and there's a lot 1523 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,559 Speaker 2: of information on there, and you know a way to 1524 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,439 Speaker 2: contact us, and like I said, if you have any questions, 1525 01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,479 Speaker 2: I'm I'm happy. You know, a lot of times my 1526 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,479 Speaker 2: wife will take the calls and I might be out 1527 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,280 Speaker 2: in the field hunting or something, but I will eventually 1528 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,080 Speaker 2: get back to you. And even the do it yourselfers. 1529 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,200 Speaker 2: Like I said, I if there's anything I could do 1530 01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,320 Speaker 2: to point you in the right direction or or any 1531 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,640 Speaker 2: kind of information you might think you need from me. 1532 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,400 Speaker 1: Don't hesitate your call okay, yeah, great, you on Instagram 1533 01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,600 Speaker 1: your handles, I don't wait tail guides yep, okay, ye, 1534 01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:23,439 Speaker 1: all right, well thanks, I appreciate it. 1535 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:54,040 Speaker 3: Yep, thank you, dart huh