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Speaker 1: Here we go, it's our two. It is a Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Fresh off an impressive Dallas Cowboy win. Have their young

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Speaker 1: defensive players back. Quinn Williams looked like the all probably

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Speaker 1: was with Robert Sala. I'm telling you, man, it was

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Speaker 1: another escape from New York success story. It just shows

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Speaker 1: what a toxic work environment can do to athletes and employees.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's good when they leave. Donald succeeds when they leave.

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Speaker 1: Go look at Donald's numbers at Carolina, Minnesota and the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: You'd be like, as a franchise guy, New York numbers

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Speaker 1: come right back down.

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Speaker 3: So whatever, take your shots now, my friend, go ahead

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Speaker 3: and get.

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Speaker 4: Them all in.

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Speaker 1: I will say, in all the years I've been doing

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Speaker 1: hurt hierarchy, this there is the smallest gap from the

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Speaker 1: best team in the league to number ten the smallest

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Speaker 1: gap ever. I think the tenth best team could beat

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Speaker 1: the number one team.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any doubt in my mind. That's what

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Speaker 2: we have.

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Speaker 1: That's, by the way, what Adam Silver wants the NBA

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Speaker 1: to be. Like you just you're not sure who is

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Speaker 1: the best team. You think it's the last champion, and

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Speaker 1: then you get to the playoffs and they.

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Speaker 2: Get knocked out. I kind of feel that's what we

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Speaker 2: have right.

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Speaker 1: Now here we go are hurt, hierarchy, heard.

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Speaker 5: Hierarchy, Now go. The top ten NFL teams according to

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Speaker 5: College number ten.

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Speaker 1: I think arguably the most talented athletic team in the

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Speaker 1: league is Seattle and they'll put them at ten because

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Speaker 1: they have the most giveaways in the league. But they

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Speaker 1: were going for a game winning kick against the Rams

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Speaker 1: in LA and they had four picks. They have the

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Speaker 1: best point differential in the NFC. They don't have a

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Speaker 1: real gap in their team other than the giveaways. JSN

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Speaker 1: is the highest guided receiver according to PFF. They've allowed

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Speaker 1: the fewest sacks on offense. They got playmakers everywhere on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. They can run it with power,

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Speaker 1: a great number ten team that was going for a

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Speaker 1: They had four picks. Number ten Seattle, number nine again,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: I like them.

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Speaker 1: They have the second most efficient scoring offense behind the

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Speaker 1: Colts in pro football.

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Speaker 2: They're not good on the road.

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Speaker 1: They have struggled on the road because they're just not

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Speaker 2: Now that Chris Jones.

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Speaker 1: Is not playing at an elite level, the defense isn't

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Speaker 1: I don't think Mahomes right now is playing like Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: But again, I like their weapons. I like their team.

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Speaker 1: If they beat Indy, I think they're a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: I think this weekend's a big deal. I'm a little

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Speaker 1: at home, but I have Kansas City at nine.

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Speaker 1: By the way, they're seven to zero when they hold

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Speaker 1: and the old line has been better than I've given

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Speaker 2: Back Number seven Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they drive me crazy, but I will say this.

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Speaker 1: They can be one player dominant on offense. Don't trust

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Speaker 2: I'll put them at seven number six.

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Speaker 1: I think the Colts would beat him if they played,

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Speaker 1: fewest punts in the NFL. They're off a bye. I

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Speaker 1: think Kansas City's going to have their hands full. I

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Speaker 1: We're not in January today. Right now, that's the top

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Speaker 1: and I've said this about Cleveland. If you gave Cleveland

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Speaker 2: They got dudes. They got a lot of dudes. Indies.

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Speaker 1: Roster is the elite, and now they're getting competent plus

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Speaker 1: healthy and playing better. They have playmakers on both sides. Again,

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Speaker 1: this hurd hierarchy, we're doing it. It's November, it's not January.

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Speaker 1: Do I trust them then?

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Speaker 1: Their next three games Jets, Bengals, Steelers, So the winning

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Speaker 1: of a close game against Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Number one. Cleveland's defense at.

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Speaker 1: Home is outrageous and it was a third straight road game.

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Speaker 1: I like this team a lot Baltimore five, number four,

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Speaker 1: but I think in a neutral field, I take the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: against winning teams, an incredibly efficient team. Their defense in

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Speaker 1: are under Vrabel deserves credit. He went and spent almost

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Speaker 1: it on character guys, defense, tough guys, in physicality.

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Speaker 2: They have an identity.

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Speaker 1: They're a tough, physical team with a quarterback that's completing

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Speaker 1: seventy two percent of his throw efficiency wins post Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: Four number three. I don't know what to do with Philly.

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Speaker 1: They're not good when Lane Johnson's out, but they are

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Speaker 1: twenty four and three in their last twenty seven games,

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Speaker 1: and they're just dynamite in one score games. What are

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Speaker 1: They have the best interior D line in the league,

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Speaker 1: and it made a huge difference again this weekend against Detroit.

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Speaker 1: You can't get fourth and one on them. They bat

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Speaker 1: down passes constantly, opposing quarterbacks in the NFL complete fifty

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Speaker 1: they got good corners, active linebackers, and two studs on

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Speaker 2: Number two Denver, And.

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Speaker 1: Again, what's the difference between Seattle and if they played

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Speaker 1: tomorrow a point and a half. That's how close this

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Speaker 1: thing is. Listen, six of their seven games have been

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Speaker 1: offense has been held the one touchdown in back to

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Speaker 1: last year with Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: There is.

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Speaker 1: There are teams that are good in close games. Kansas

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Speaker 1: Mahomes last year. That's Bonix this year. But they are

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Speaker 1: a heavily penalized team, so they beat themselves. They've got almost,

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Speaker 2: But you are what your record is. They're two, number

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Speaker 1: The cleanest team in the league, second year in a row,

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Speaker 1: fewest penalties. They don't make any mistakes. They're Seattle without

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Speaker 1: as other teams. They don't get penalized, they don't turn

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Speaker 1: it over. You can't get the twenty seven points on them,

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Speaker 1: that's about it. I think it's really I got green

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Speaker 1: Bay at eleven. I mean it's I think green Bay

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Speaker 1: green Bay at eleven. Coin flip that they played tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: home team would win. Nick Right is joining us. First

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Speaker 1: things first, John, I mean you could say I'm selling

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Speaker 1: the chief stock.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 4: You sold it in the offseason.

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Speaker 6: You've declared this dynasty dead twice in the last three months,

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Speaker 6: and in the middle of that you declared them far

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Speaker 6: today to crow about the Chiefs. They have put me

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Speaker 6: in such a crisis that I'm rocking a ponytail on

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Speaker 6: your show because I'm in disarray with my team being

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Speaker 6: the nine seed and I'm looking at tiebreakers against the

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Speaker 6: Jags like a true poverty franchise when I'm used to

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Speaker 6: looking up paths to the one seed. So I'm not

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Speaker 6: in a good spot. And I was dead wrong about

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Speaker 6: the game last week. But you have been a fickle

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Speaker 6: beast when it comes to this Chiefs team this year and.

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Speaker 2: The team you have.

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Speaker 6: Number two, who again outplayed Kansas City, deserved to win,

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Speaker 6: they were better, But you have them as the number

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Speaker 6: two team in the league last week, weren't you trading

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Speaker 6: their quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 6: Are you that down on bow Nicks a week ago

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Speaker 1: I think this is what Adam Silver's NBA is, which

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Speaker 1: is there's about eight teams that could all if they're

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Speaker 1: healthy and got a call in a game six of

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Speaker 1: a series. This is what the NFL truly wants. They

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Speaker 1: don't want Kansas City and Belichick dominant Lee.

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Speaker 2: It's all smushed in the middle.

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Speaker 1: And I feel this way with college football outside of

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. And I mean, I think the Rams are

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Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be shocked if they if they.

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Speaker 1: Lost to Philly, Detroit, Seattle, if they played.

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Speaker 2: Them again in the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: So this is where I will agree with you more

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Speaker 6: so this year than any year honestly of mahomes whole career.

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Speaker 6: I think, Colin, you can credibly make a case for

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Speaker 1: That's what I see.

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Speaker 2: So which, Oh, I think we lost Nick right?

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Speaker 4: I don't know what happened. I'm just sorry.

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Speaker 6: I was just saying, I don't which of the NFC

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Speaker 1: I want to end with an NBA thought. So, the

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Speaker 1: How do you exit the Lebron business without offending rich

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Speaker 6: And then after this season, Colin, if he wants to

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Speaker 4: That he does it.

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Speaker 6: You know, maybe a final stop in Cleveland, maybe he

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Speaker 4: If he wants to do a true farewell tour.

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Speaker 6: But Lebron James is going to be a Laker this season.

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Speaker 6: I think that is pretty clear, and I think the

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Speaker 4: Not good enough to win the championship.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that adding Lebron makes them good enough.

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Speaker 4: Then survey the landscape for the record.

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Speaker 1: Just thirty seconds left, circling back when the Chiefs lose

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Speaker 6: It's not great, Colin, It's uh, I mean it was Listen.

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Speaker 4: My eyes a bit.

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Speaker 4: Chiefs just lost. I'll be back.

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Speaker 4: That's what I thought. That's what I thought about.

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Speaker 2: So that was it.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, high high's low lows. I don't

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Speaker 6: I do the opposite, and I understand that the Chiefs

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Speaker 6: lot of season left, is all I'm gonna say. Great

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Speaker 2: Colin Nick.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, those listen. It was it was close like

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Speaker 1: College basketball starting up, NBA, College football, where's Lane Kiffin

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Speaker 1: gonna go? A lot of things hanging in the balance.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like the NFL and college football outside

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Speaker 1: of maybe Ohio State, feels everybody is a field goal

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Speaker 1: away from beating everybody else at the top of the

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Speaker 1: NFL and college football food chains. Again, I think Ohio

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Speaker 1: State has become receiver. You. They're so explosive and their

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Speaker 1: defense is elite.

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Speaker 2: They don't.

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Speaker 1: It's it feels somewhere between a Saturday and a Sunday defense.

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Speaker 1: It's not an NFL defense, but they've got multiple guys

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Speaker 1: that can go. I mean, they could have two of

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Speaker 1: the top six picks on defense going to college football,

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Speaker 1: corner and a linebacker, and they look every part of it.

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Speaker 2: J Mack with a news no turns. This is the

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Speaker 2: herd line news.

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Speaker 3: All right, Colin, you love that Jalen hurts scuttle butt

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Speaker 3: in Philly's so much first hour. We found another one

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Speaker 3: for you, but it involves Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 9: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I know they're seven and three and on top the

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Speaker 3: NFC North, but according to your favorite media outlet, The Athletic,

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Speaker 3: an opposing defensive coach believes Caleb's style of play does

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Speaker 3: not work well with Ben Johnson's offensive style, adding he

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Speaker 3: believes john is frustrated with Caleb because he doesn't play

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Speaker 3: on time and is uncontrollable.

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Speaker 9: Colin, I know, I know you're.

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Speaker 3: Excited about Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson and the first

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Speaker 3: Place Bears. I'm just telling you right now, enjoy it

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Speaker 3: while it lasts, because this is not this is not

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Speaker 3: how it's going to end up. They're not going to

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Speaker 3: be first place this season, and this Ben Johnson Caleb

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Speaker 3: stuff is going to continue to percolate.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think Ben Johnson, like a Shanahan, has a structure

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Speaker 1: that he wants his quarterback to play within, and there's

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Speaker 1: always been a little give and take on that is that.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's why he loves brock Purty because Brock

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Speaker 1: Purty comes at a reasonable price and is going to

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Speaker 1: do what Kyle says. But Kyle doesn't have any Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls right and has kind of had them in his

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Speaker 1: grasp and they and they in the fourth quarter and

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Speaker 1: they can't seal it. So I think this is a

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Speaker 1: position that a lot of coaches deal with. A lot

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Speaker 1: of offensive coaches have a certain structure, but they want

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Speaker 1: you to make Like I said that this weekend. Matt

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Speaker 1: Stafford is more play call reliant. If the initial play

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Speaker 1: doesn't work, he's not gonna move around and make something

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Speaker 1: happen like Josh Allen. Sam Darnold is less play call reliant.

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Speaker 1: He'll go to a second and third option athletically, but.

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Speaker 2: You get more mistakes.

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Speaker 1: So I think all these offensive coaches, it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of. I mean, I think bo Nick should run more.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton doesn't want him to run more. I think

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Speaker 1: he should. So I think when you get a quarterback

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Speaker 1: who is so gifted, this is the push and pull

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Speaker 1: of coaching them. It's not ideal. He will play out

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Speaker 1: of structure. I thought two weeks ago when he ran

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Speaker 1: for a touchdown to win at home, I thought there

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Speaker 1: were Cole Comet was open. He should have thrown the ball,

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Speaker 1: but they got a touchdown. So I just think this

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Speaker 1: is part and parcel to having a gifted athletic quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So some of the more advanced stats. I know that

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Speaker 3: some of the counting stats look okay for Caleb, but

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Speaker 3: some of them more advanced stats, success rate EPA per play,

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Speaker 3: he's like below twenty five. Colin Caleb is not as

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Speaker 3: efficient as the seven and three record indicates.

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Speaker 9: I do think at some point they'll have a.

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Speaker 3: Wake up call. I don't know if it's this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Because it's Pittsburgh team.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm very low on them. I do like

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Speaker 9: the Bears here. I just think, just.

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Speaker 3: Keep an eye on Caleb and Ben. I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: this could be McVeigh and Gough. Remember how McVeigh moved

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Speaker 3: off GoF and got the guy he wanted. But I

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Speaker 3: wonder if Ben, if this keeps up. You know, this

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Speaker 3: is first year, maybe second year, if it's still go.

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Speaker 1: If you watch Ben Johnson's body language in games, he

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Speaker 1: gets frustrated. Yeah, I didn't think Mike McDonald was frustrated

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Speaker 1: with Sam Donald despite the four picks. That's not what

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Speaker 1: his body language said. He was running the place, he

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Speaker 1: was trying to make plays. It was, you know, a

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Speaker 1: third down, you gotta throw, you're behind the sticks, You're

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Speaker 1: not in a good space. I think you can see

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Speaker 1: Ben's frustration on a pretty regular basis with Caleb, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's totally fair. Watch the coach, watch his

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Speaker 1: body language. I thought Sean Payton three weeks ago his

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Speaker 1: body language was not great with I think the last

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Speaker 1: two weeks has been much better.

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Speaker 9: Sent All right, let's move on to the New York Giants.

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Speaker 3: Interesting report over the weekend from Jay Glazer. Obviously he's

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Speaker 3: plugged in with a lot of teams NFL Insider, and

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Speaker 3: there's speculation. I think you mentioned Lane Kiffin's name. I

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Speaker 3: think you mentioned Mike McCarthy. Well, Jay Glaser has an

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Speaker 3: as an interesting name. I haven't seen this out there anywhere.

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Speaker 9: Take a listen.

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Speaker 10: But also a name who started to really pop up.

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Speaker 10: We talked about the game earlier. Chris Sula. He was

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Speaker 10: the defensive coordinator for the Rams. But I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 10: of all the coaches that Sean McVay has kind of

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Speaker 10: pushed along to be a new head coach, the next

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Speaker 10: head coach, he's done more with Chrishula than all of

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Speaker 10: them come by.

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Speaker 2: These two guys are best friends.

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Speaker 10: They went to college together. But he lets him get

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Speaker 10: on everything where me may not have done that with

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Speaker 10: everybody else, he does with Schula. He thinks he's gonna

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Speaker 10: be a start.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to go again. Who's succeeded in

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Speaker 1: New York? Parcels, pat Riley Tibbs, Joe Tory, What, Tom?

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Speaker 1: What are they? Proven? Winning head coaches? Assistants go to

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Speaker 1: New York to die. Coordinators go to New York to die.

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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin wanted BC, he wanted Jacksonville, he wanted New York.

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Speaker 2: Joe Tory, Bill Parcells, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean you, I mean even Reck Shaw, I mean I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry to me. New York is not Let's give another

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Speaker 1: coordinator a shot. It's too loud, it's there's too much pressure,

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Speaker 1: and they don't have a good enough team right now

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Speaker 1: to win on the margins.

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Speaker 9: That's kind of an interesting take.

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Speaker 3: My only thing is he's a defensive guy with McVeigh right,

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Speaker 3: if you want to pick from the McVeigh tree. What

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Speaker 3: makes the mcveighs so special is his offense.

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Speaker 9: I know the defense is playing good this year.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the Giants now maybe they say, hey,

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Speaker 3: we tried Daboll and offense didn't work. We need a

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Speaker 3: defense culture guy. This is a McVeigh culture guy with defense.

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Speaker 1: Well, Raheem Morris and Brandon Staley did wonders with the Rams.

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Speaker 9: Defense as head coaches had the head they do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just first of all, your hit

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Speaker 1: rate on Rabel, Sean Payton and Jim Harwall, what's gonna

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Speaker 1: be one hundred percent? Nobody doubted they'd be good week one.

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Speaker 1: Your hit rate on Mike McCarthy will be one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: That you will win games with Mike not saying super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy becomes a coach, you're gonna win nine plus games.

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Speaker 1: That's his history. If he has a serviceable B plus quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Your hit rate on coordinators winning at all is fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: Just do the math. Do the math. Mike McCarthy is

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Speaker 1: what wins in New York. Somebody that's been there. He's

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Speaker 1: dealt with meddling, Jerry Jones, the no ownership Packers, and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: He's dealt with a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: And the other problem is if you get a defensive

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Speaker 3: guy's ahead coach, Colin you know this, the offensive coinator's

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Speaker 3: got to be a hit. Well, guess what happens when

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Speaker 3: he's a hit, he goes and becomes a head coach. Right,

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Speaker 3: So as soon as he has a good year with Dart,

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Speaker 3: the OC is going to be out to a head

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Speaker 3: coaching job, and then you're starting all over.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure Shul has done a great job. I just

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Speaker 9: don't know that's the direction I take it.

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Speaker 3: Final story college football, big big signing at head coach. Yes,

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Speaker 3: the Virginia Tech Hokies. You know I went to Virginia

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Speaker 3: Tech for two years. They landed James Franklin, who was

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Speaker 3: recently cut loose by Penn State.

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Speaker 9: Great holland for them. Oh that's an amazing hire.

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Speaker 3: Now there's reports from you know some of my Virginia

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Speaker 3: Tech friends that Franklin was waiting to see if any

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Speaker 3: bigger jobs were interested in him, and that's why he

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Speaker 3: was stringing along.

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Speaker 9: Virginia Tech finally said, yes, this has been in the

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Speaker 9: works for weeks.

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Speaker 3: But what's interesting, Colin, he was due forty nine mill

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Speaker 3: from Penn State in his buyout, so he negotiated a

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Speaker 3: nine million dollar lump sum payment. So he gets nine

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Speaker 3: million dollars and goes and gets to coach. Now, listen,

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Speaker 3: you're a man, well renowned, everybody knows you. Colin, forty

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Speaker 3: nine million dollars to walk away, and he's instantly jumping

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Speaker 3: back to coaching. That is a little crazy. Forty nine

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Speaker 3: million dollars you could do a lot with. Okay, you

657
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Speaker 3: can retire, you can go buy islands. Why is he

658
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Speaker 3: going back into coaching?

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Speaker 1: Because he's in his prime as a man and he

660
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Speaker 1: doesn't want a golf all day. I mean, when you're

661
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Speaker 1: in your prime, you want to work. We're workers.

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Speaker 9: That's what went offered me forty nine million seat, See what,

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Speaker 9: I'll probably still want to work, you know everybody.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think again, it's it's I mean, James Franklin.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he recruits that area. So to him,

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Speaker 1: he looked at it and he's like, I'm not going

667
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Speaker 1: to coach West. He doesn't have any history there. He

668
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to go back to the South. Perhaps, nor

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Speaker 1: is he getting offers. His take is what's going to

670
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Speaker 1: be open? Well, this is probably I mean, this is

671
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Speaker 1: not a top ten job. Is it a top eighteen job,

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Speaker 1: top fifteen.

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Speaker 9: To twenty five whatever. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have to face all these top five teams

675
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Speaker 3: all the time.

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Speaker 9: That's his only kryptonite. Franklin's a great coach.

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Speaker 3: He just struggled against the elites right Ohio State, Michigan

678
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Speaker 3: like he struggled against them.

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Speaker 9: So what he's going to be a home run in

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Speaker 9: Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 3: I'll personally guarantee you they're in the playoff within three

682
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Speaker 3: or maybe I'll do a crazy, crazy bet, like shaving

683
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Speaker 3: something in the side of my head. But I would

684
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Speaker 3: say within three years, James Franklin is gonna have Virginia

685
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Speaker 3: Tech on the right path.

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Speaker 1: They'll have NFL players. He's a great recruiter. Well, Penn,

687
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: did you watch Penn State play Indiana? Go watch the

688
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: second half of Penn State Indiana. Yet, dudes, that's all

689
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: his players. They dominated for most of the second half.

690
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: They dominated Indiana. Indiana went to Austin and dominated Oregon

691
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Speaker 1: for three hours. Penn State all those recruits from James Franklin,

692
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: they had a backup quarterback and they marched up and

693
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Speaker 1: down the field on Indiana. So whoever gets the Penn

694
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Speaker 1: State job, you're getting pros. They're Sunday guys all over

695
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Speaker 1: that roster.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, J Mackle the news, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 5: and thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News one

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Speaker 5: more heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 9: Start your Saturday strong with Big Get Noon Saturday. There's

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Speaker 9: no margin for error for.

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Speaker 3: The top ranked Ohio's date Buckeyes as they look during

704
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Speaker 3: name perfect against Rutgers. It all starts with Big Noon

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Speaker 3: kickoff at ten am Eastern. Then it's Rutgers Ohios date

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Speaker 3: only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So I was thinking about this, Jmax. So every Monday

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00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: I do Colin right, Colin wrong, and I've been I

709
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: had the Seahawks is a good team this year, New England.

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00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: My blazing five picks probably as hot as I've ever been.

711
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 1: You were five, and oh I was five and oh.

712
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: I was thinking during the break, what is the most

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Speaker 1: wrong I have been so far this year?

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Speaker 2: Like, like, way off?

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Speaker 3: Would you have the chiefs number one in the herd

716
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Speaker 3: hierarchy a few weeks ago?

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Speaker 1: But that's that's week to week that I'm talking about

718
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: a big macro topic, all right. I think the most

719
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Speaker 1: wrong I've been was Shadoor Sanders. I thought Shadoor Sanders

720
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: was at worse a mid second round quarterback. I watched

721
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Speaker 1: him this weekend and he was fine. He wasn't very good,

722
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Speaker 1: but you know, he did a spin move I thought

723
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Speaker 1: was clever, and he threw a ball to the end

724
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Speaker 1: zone that could have been caught. It wasn't, but it

725
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Speaker 1: was a great throw.

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Speaker 2: I think it was fine.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting what I find, And it's really weird who

728
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: we pick and choose to be loyal to. Like there's

729
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Speaker 1: this group of people out there they really believe and

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Speaker 1: I'm not I mean, this is the conspiratorial nature of

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Speaker 1: the country. They really believe that there is a conspiracy

732
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Speaker 1: inside the building against him. So Kevin Stefanski needs to

733
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Speaker 1: win games. These are really good jobs. He's making seven

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Speaker 1: million a year, whatever he makes. Why would you conspire

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Speaker 1: to play a worse quarterback you want? I mean, I

736
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Speaker 1: think this is from people that have never made maybe

737
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Speaker 1: had a great job. When you have them, you don't

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Speaker 1: conspire against yourself. There's thirty two coaching jobs in the NFL.

739
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Speaker 1: They all pay like seven and a half million up.

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Speaker 1: You would never do anything to get in the way

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Speaker 1: of winning.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: Coaches make mistakes, personnel mistakes, go. You never try to lose. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are times, if you have a early contract or

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Speaker 1: you're safe, you may say to yourself, you know, I

746
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Speaker 1: wouldn't mind getting the number one pick in a draft

747
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Speaker 1: to get Andrew luck Er. So I'm like, I get

748
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Speaker 1: that we're not going to play Peyton Manning those last

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Speaker 1: four games. Like I understand that sort of institutional, collective decision,

750
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Speaker 1: but just think about how ridiculous it is. Like I

751
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: watched Dylan Gabriel and over the last two to three

752
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: weeks he had stabilized the offense. He's not great, he's

753
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: not big, but he wasn't throwing picks multiple touchdown games

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Speaker 1: with that defense you're like, you know, Cleveland's not They're

755
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Speaker 1: a tough out.

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Speaker 2: Especially at home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you watch Shaduur, and Schaduur does two things

758
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Speaker 1: that Dylan Gabriel doesn't. He runs backwards. Coaches not I

759
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Speaker 1: hate that, especially offensive coach. Yeah, Shaduur, that was a

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Speaker 1: I always say, when your college problem becomes your NFL problem,

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Speaker 1: it's just who you are. Like Shadour in college ran backwards.

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Speaker 1: Shadur in the NFL watching him runs backwards. It's who

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Speaker 1: he is. I've said this with Caleb Caleb body accuracy

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Speaker 1: college bears, two different coaches in college, two different coaches

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Speaker 1: in the pros. He's not that accurate, right, That's.

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Speaker 2: Who he is.

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Speaker 1: So he's got to be a big play guy and

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Speaker 1: have the right play caller in a run game.

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Speaker 2: So, but it's so weird to.

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Speaker 1: Me that people think that the NFL, all these gms

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Speaker 1: and coaches, they're all half the league is desperate for quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: either the year of the draft or any year that

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Speaker 1: they all just kept passing on Shador.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's weird.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't great four of sixteen, yet he had a

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Speaker 3: drive at the end of the game Colin to maybe

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Speaker 3: tie it up and send it to overtime like he

778
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Speaker 3: did a couple of things. I'm definitely not defending him.

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Speaker 3: I think at one point he was two of fourteen.

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Speaker 3: But you know what on Sunday Night Football, Jared Goflin

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Speaker 3: thor stretch where he was one of fourteen. Yeah, it

782
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Speaker 3: can be tough. Okay, that's right. I'm not comparing Schador

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Speaker 3: to Goflain just yet. No, no, I'm the first half of

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Speaker 3: NFL actions.

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Speaker 1: Yeh, no, no, no, no, I'm again. This is what we

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Speaker 1: do for a living. I'm not former against him. I

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Speaker 1: think when you get two speeding tickets over ninety in camp,

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Speaker 1: it's not ideal.

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Speaker 2: Bad judgment.

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Speaker 1: I think putting legendary in your draft room, don't that's

791
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Speaker 1: just bad judgment. By the way, intentionally bombing interviews bad judgment.

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Speaker 1: He's and by the way, running backwards bad judgment. He's

793
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Speaker 1: got a judgment issue. It's not a size issue. It's

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Speaker 1: not an arm strength issue. It's not I mean, those

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Speaker 1: aren't the issues. The kid has a series of series

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Speaker 1: of series of bad judgment, running backwards legendary speeding tickets.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you want to guess what the spread

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Speaker 3: is for the Browns at the Raiders on Sunday.

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Speaker 9: Let me call it up.

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Speaker 1: Here, Cleveland at the Raiders, Raiders favored by two.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, I'm seeing three to three and a half. I

802
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: would probably take the points there with Schdor. It's early,

803
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Speaker 3: we see if Schor is even starting. Could be Gabriel,

804
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Speaker 3: but given the concussion, usually the quarterbacks out the next week.

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Speaker 2: But isn't it remarkable some of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened in America, And I think

807
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the explosion of social media, and you

808
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: go on social media and everybody can find their weird

809
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: friend group. Like if you're a conspiracy theorist, then you're

810
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Speaker 1: going to find people that will amplify that your tribe.

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Speaker 1: You'll find your tribe on the internet and so. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, folks, coaches are not trying to pick the

813
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Speaker 1: quarterback that will be less successful for it.

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Speaker 2: That's not the way it works.

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Speaker 1: And when you watched what Dylan Gabriel does, you can

816
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Speaker 1: see why a coach would like it. He doesn't run backwards,

817
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Speaker 1: He stabilized the offense. He doesn't throw a lot of picks.

818
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: He gets rid of the ball quickly. Chadeur holds it

819
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Speaker 1: he runs backwards. His judgment isn't great, but I do

820
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: think he's got talent. But it's just the world we

821
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Speaker 1: live in now. It is cuckoo for Coco puffs, it's

822
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: wacka doo's all over the internet. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's just a small group of people.

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Speaker 2: I think I think there's thirty percent.

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Speaker 1: Of Browns fans think they're trying in too Rakscheedur's career.

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Speaker 1: What in the world, what kind of sense does that make?

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Speaker 1: None