1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Welcome back 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt noel Is on Adventures. 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our guests, 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: super producer Torri Harrison, So everybody dropped by our various 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: social media's and and give her a hello, thank her 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: for saving the show. Most importantly, you are you, You 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: you to know. A very very strange episode. Uh an 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: episode that draws in allegations of the paranormal, the occult 13 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: cults in specific, and much much more, and just numbers 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: numerology a little bit to a small extent to a 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: larger extent. Cool incidence. I'd like to open today's episode 16 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: with with a quote from a poem many of us 17 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: in the audience will recognize. Can we get just a 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: little bit of ominous music? April is the coolest month, 19 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: breeding lilacs out of the dead land, mixing memory and desire, 20 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: stirring dull roots with spring rain. That's just the first 21 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: that's the first four lines of The Waste Land by T. S. Elliott, 22 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: and it's it's useful for our purposes today because we 23 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: just see the beginning of some of the themes that 24 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Elliot is working with throughout the Wasteland. You you had 25 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: to read that, I'm sure at some point, like high school, college, 26 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: read it for fun. And it's just a it's a 27 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: creepy poem. It is, it is, and it it characterizes 28 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: April in a very different way than I think maybe 29 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: a lot of us see April, at least especially in 30 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: the southern the Southeastern United States and a couple other places, 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: where April seems to be really when spring starts happening. 32 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: You know, you have a lot of March. Then once 33 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: you get into April, that's when all the pollen starts 34 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: showing up, at least around these parts. That's when the 35 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: flowers start blooming. Seems really happy and not at all 36 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: a waste land. We even say often in English and 37 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: especially in the southeastern part of the United States, that 38 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: April showers bring may flowers. It's a time of um rejuvenation, resurrection, 39 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: after the after the symbolic death of the world in 40 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: winter right, symbolic death and or real death of Jesus 41 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: Christ right right, exactly, which you know is mythologically, uh, 42 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: an ancient concept that goes back to you know, the 43 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: resurrected vegetable god. You know, even even the ideas of 44 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: gods that were dismembered by their followers to ensure harvest. 45 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: There is a ton of folklore here and it goes 46 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: very very deep. But for our purposes today, we have 47 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: to say that April is a month full of symbolic 48 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: contradiction right today and in these our modern times, April 49 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: is as you said, man, it's the beginning of spring, 50 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Let's all go hunt for 51 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: plastic eggs in someone's lawn, right. But in times past 52 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: it was it was much more important, especially when people 53 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: were much more closely tied to an agrarian lifestyle. We're 54 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: living off the land. And just one last thing you 55 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: put in here it symbolically, in order for a rebirth 56 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: to occur, what must there be death? Right? That's correct? Yes? 57 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: And now, speaking of these are modern days, let's let's 58 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: take a look. Let's all let's all zoom out in 59 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: our imaginary Google Earth maps. Uh, so far that we 60 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: can see this, this blue dot, our own little spaceship 61 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: right orbiting the Sun. This is a huge world, at 62 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: least as far as we're concerned. It's also imperfect. And 63 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: let's zoom back in a little bit further, and let's 64 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: focus just on the United States for now, just on 65 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: North America. For the past few decades, Americans have encountered 66 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: numerous horrific domestic events such as bombings, mass murders, acts 67 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: of terrorism, spree killing, and so on, often resulting in 68 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: the deaths of dozens or in some cases hundreds of people, 69 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: and sadly, tragically, for most of us, the endless march 70 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: of these events can blend to other at times. I 71 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: like what you did there with the endless march. Yes 72 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: that was unintentional, but yes it's true. Right, I mean, 73 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, think about think about the horrific occurrence of 74 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: school shootings, right, which have which have been reported at 75 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: such a frequency. And let's be careful to emphasize that 76 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: we're reported at such a frequency. That there were times 77 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: when you and I were here in the office working 78 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: on something, talking about something, and then we would be 79 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: talking about two different school shootings because we didn't happen. Yeah, 80 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: we didn't realize in the moment that we're talking about 81 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: two different ones exactly. So for some of us, this 82 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: has become the new normal. You turn on the news, 83 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: you log into your new source of choice, or you 84 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: open your morning paper and you are surprised if something 85 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: has not occurred, right. But for other people, a single 86 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: day or a single afternoon fundamentally changed our understanding of 87 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: this country and of the world in general. If you 88 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: were someone who was present, uh during the Centennial Olympic 89 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: bombing here in Atlanta, if you were someone present during 90 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: the attack on the World Trade Center on September eleven, 91 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: two thousand one, it's it has inherently altered your perspective. 92 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're exploring a bizarre claim related to some, 93 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: but not all, of these tragedies. Do they seem to have, 94 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, a season, you know 95 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like how like how we talked previously 96 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: about the small town of Shag Harbor. It has a 97 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: lobster season. It's a lobster town, but it's only through 98 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: I believe November to to a certain amount of time 99 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: that they actually fish for lobster. So do these tragedies. 100 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: If you look at at these things that occur in 101 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: the United States, is there a season where they are 102 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: more likely to occur throughout the year. Well, let's take 103 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: a look back through even just the recent history, starting 104 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: in ninete and it we were we were recording this 105 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: on April nineteenth, two thousand nineteen, and on April nineteenth, uh, 106 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: something happened that has been called and is known as 107 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: the Waco massacre, the Waco siege, Waco siege. There, It's 108 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: been called a lot of things depending on which side 109 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: you land on, like in your beliefs about what happened 110 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: that day. But that's when an FBI assault and a 111 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: t F and several other agencies um led to the 112 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: burning down of the compound of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas, 113 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: and it killed seventy six men, women, and children. It 114 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: was a terrible and highly contentious moment or a couple 115 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: of days um the way Co massacre. But that was 116 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: nine Then in we have the Oklahoma City bombing, which 117 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: killed a hundred and sixty eight people when a a vehicle, 118 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: a bomb inside a vehicle exploded in the lower levels 119 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, and then on 120 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: April nine, the Columbine High School massacre happened, where two 121 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: young men killed thirteen people and injured twenty one others. 122 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: April sixteenth, two thousand and seven, the Virginia massacre occurs, 123 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: thirty two people are killed, seventeen are injured. April sixteen 124 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: to twenty thirteen, the Boston Marathon explosions occur. A hundred 125 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: and seven people are injured, three are killed. And then 126 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: on April eighteen, there was an explosion at a fertilizer 127 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: plant in Texas where somewhere between five and fifteen are killed. 128 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: And this happened almost exactly twenty years after the Waco massacre, 129 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: and it's in roughly the same area. So that's something 130 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: that will notice people point out at least a lot 131 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: online and on and on you'll find you'll you'll find 132 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: other incidents or other events, other tragedies of their shootings, 133 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: other acts of domestic terrorism that leads people to ask, 134 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: is there something off about April Because astute listeners will 135 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: notice that these widely varying events, while while if you 136 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: had some geographical similarities, they all occurred within the same month. 137 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: That's very strange. We have to acknowledge, first off, that 138 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: the proliferation of mass media allows us all to be 139 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: more aware of tragedies when they do occur. So it 140 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: is not necessarily true that more bad things are happening. 141 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: It's just that it's easier for us to learn about 142 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: these things, and more importantly, it's easier for us to 143 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: remember those events because we have libraries on our phones 144 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: ESSENTI sleep. So is there are there more skeletons in 145 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: the closet or do we just have better flashlights or 146 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: better keys to the closets? I don't know. I mean, 147 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: if you jump back to seven, there's also something that 148 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: occurred in on April sixt um. So, like you said, 149 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: like throughout history, terrible things have been happening, And in 150 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: this case, it was a ship that was was in 151 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: the port of Texas, UH and Texas City, I guess, 152 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: And it was a huge explosion because of some ammonium 153 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: nitrate that was just sitting in that ship when it exploded, 154 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: and it killed like five hundred and seventy six people. 155 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: And you know, like you said, to your point, been 156 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: things terrible things happen all the time. It does seem 157 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: a little coincidental that all of these occur in the 158 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: middle of April. Mm hmm. And and it does secondly 159 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: appear to be a strange confluence of events. These are 160 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: all incredibly violent attacks, with the exception of the night 161 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: te thing, which could have been an accident. Right, But 162 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: they're all happening around the same time. So why April? 163 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: What gives is this a coincidence? Just some morbid, horrific accident. Well, 164 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: according to some researchers that you will find online, absolutely not. 165 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: There's something a lot more sinister going on, something that's 166 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: been happening for a long long time, and we'll hear 167 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: about it right after a quick word from our sponsor. 168 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. What if these acts of violence, 169 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: these explosions, these massive losses of life, are not randomized. 170 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: What if they are occurring to the tune to the 171 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: cadence of some earlier, pre existing path Earn, that's the 172 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: argument that you will hear fringe researchers make, uh, one 173 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: of these strangers, let's dive in. One of the strangest 174 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: arguments is the idea that these are not accidents, These 175 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: are not lone wolf acts of violence, but instead they 176 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: are the result of ritualized sacrifices perpetrated by an ancient 177 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: and sinister cult, a faction of people who worship the 178 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: god known as Ball or Baal. Let's take a quote 179 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: from a website called the Vigilant Citizen, which for the record, 180 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: is what we would consider very much conspiratorial. Throughout many 181 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: centuries and across many civilizations, the second half of April 182 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: has always been a time of blood sacrifice. The worship 183 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: of Ball took many names and mullock and spread across 184 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: several civilizations, being a sun god and a god of fertility, 185 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: rituals celebrating but all took place after the vernal equinox, 186 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: a time of rebirth, and often involved human sacrifice. So 187 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: the idea here is that this god, this bald character, 188 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: was worshiped and was the beneficiary of these various acts 189 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: of agilation. Right and ritualized sacrifice and sacrifice in many 190 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: religions is a normal thing for most of us in 191 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: the human species. It only it only becomes something that 192 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: crosses line when the things being sacrificed are people, right 193 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: like in Mesoamerican religions. However, sacrificing a bull, a ram, goat, 194 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: or a lamb or whatever. That's completely fine, that's in 195 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: line with what is considered normal. Yeah, and you also 196 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: have sacrifices in the more modern age that are much 197 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: more symbolic. Giving something up, say for lent or something 198 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: to that effect, is in a way seen as a sacrifice. 199 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: Um stopping, Yeah, stopping doing something many times is considered 200 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: a sacrifice. And there are other ways to do it 201 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: rather than just you know, slaughtering and cattle or something. Sure, sure, 202 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean you can argue that some religious practices we 203 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: are aware of or even participate in today are ultimately 204 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: descended from actual acts of sacrifice. Right, So let's look 205 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: at this Ball character for a second. What we know 206 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: about Ball now is that Ball in popular fiction has 207 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: done a lot of great things for for horror film writers. 208 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: And the original phrase ball was a title. It meant 209 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: owner or lord, yeah, b A a L by the way, 210 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: just in case, or be a apostrophe a L how 211 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: you want to go? And this this um entity or 212 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: this god went through a couple of different incarnations, so 213 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: someone say, there's Ball, and then there would be but 214 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: all Haman, who was worshiped in Carthage as their supreme god, 215 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: somewhere around the fifth century b c e. And it's 216 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: just something to put out. A lot of times I've 217 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: heard it pronounced bail, especially if you look at uh 218 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: and I just recall that from the Diablo series, of 219 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: all things, the video game series. It's it says, though 220 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: it would be spelled b A y L or b 221 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: A e L. I guess bail, but it's it's changed. 222 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: It changes depending on who's referring to it. And it's 223 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: also common in works of fiction to make something just 224 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: slightly spelled differently, you know what I mean, like substitute, 225 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: maybe not in the case of ball, but to substitute 226 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: a why for another vowel and demon or something that. 227 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: As a guy who read a lot of comic books 228 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: in the nineties, that's very common. So this, this entity, 229 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: the idea of ball, appears about ninety times in Hebrew 230 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: scriptures in reference to various gods. The priest of the 231 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: Canaanite Ball are mentioned in I think most often in 232 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: the first Book of Kings. And people argue that. People 233 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: argue that you can interpret different because of the vagueness 234 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: of the title ball, just lord or whatever. You can 235 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: interpret different local gods that were being worshiped as being 236 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: er too by their own people as baal you know 237 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: what I mean, sort of like how many many original 238 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: communities were tribes of human beings. If you ask in 239 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: their native language what their word for themselves is, it 240 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: translates to something like the people or the real people. 241 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: So we have to be careful with this title. What 242 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: they're claiming in this research is that there is a 243 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: demonic god. This, this argument is going to be rooted 244 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: in in Um Abrahamic religion. Uh, this idea that there 245 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: is a true Geo Christian Islamic god and that there 246 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: are demons like but all that we're confused with gods 247 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: by local people, by the Phoenicians right or in Carthage. 248 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: So so we have we have that established that all 249 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: could be many could be several different things to several 250 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: different people. But according to the Encyclopedia of mythic Um, 251 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: and according to the argument that these French researchers are 252 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: proposing the practice of worshiping, this ball, whichever particular one 253 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: they believe it was, was vilified and was at times 254 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: violently suppressed by the other religions of the area and 255 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: of the time, but that it survived into biblical times, 256 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: and then later they'll say it survived even further. So 257 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: we have a quote here from that encyclopedia. The religion 258 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: of the God ball was widely accepted amongst the ancient Jews, 259 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: and although it was put down at times, it was 260 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: never permanently stamped out. Kings and other royalty of the 261 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: ten biblical tribes worshiped this god. The ordinary people ardently 262 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: worshiped the Sun God too, because their prosperity depended on 263 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: the productivity of their crops and livestock. And it goes 264 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: on to describe how the God's images were erected on 265 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: different buildings. There appear to be priests in classes of 266 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: devotees throughout the socioeconomic strata, and that their ceremonies included, quote, 267 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: burning incense and offering burnt sacrifices, occasionally consisting of human victims. 268 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: The officiating priest danced around the altars, chanting frantically and 269 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: cutting themselves with knives to inspire the attention and compassion 270 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: of the God. And for some of us listening, this 271 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: sounds pretty similar to the alleged sacrifices to Moloch, right 272 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: where people would uh people would put human sacrifices inside 273 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: a hollow metal bull and then light a fire under 274 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: the bully. And it also it harkens back the imagery 275 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: of something like the Bohemian Grove exactly. Yeah, with the 276 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: cremation of care. Sacrifices that occur again very symbolic at 277 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: least from everything we can find that occur there. But 278 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: the ritual sound pretty similar without the whole dancing around 279 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: and cutting themselves. Things were cut off. Yeah, yeah, so 280 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: the cremation of care is the creation of a care? 281 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: Is this ritual that people who attend the Bohemian Grove 282 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: participate in? Uh, it's best phrased is an annual theatrical production. 283 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: Maybe right, that's the Bohemian Club at the Bohemian Club. 284 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: So what they do is we could talk about this 285 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: for a little bit. This is interesting. If you've never 286 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: heard about this, this is crazy because this is a 287 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: real thing and we have an episode I believe specifically 288 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: on this think But anyway, check that out if you 289 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: want to know a ton about it. Yeah, if you 290 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: just want to know the I guess here they here. 291 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: The HITS presidents go there, uh, captains of industry and 292 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: they go to summer camp essentially theatrical summer camp up 293 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: where they all get to be boys and they get 294 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: cartoonishly inebriated. According to this story, they don't discuss business 295 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: or policy. Their phrases weaving spiders come not here, and 296 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: they have a forty foot or twelve meters for the 297 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: entire rest of the world. They have a they have 298 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: forty twelve mem hollow statue of an owl. It's an 299 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: owl shrine. It's at one edge of a man made pond. 300 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: And during the Bohemian Grove get together during their time 301 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: at summer camp, they sacrifice and effigy in front of 302 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: this owl. And it happens on the first night of 303 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: their summer camp. I love that phrase, Matt, And they 304 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: when they burn this effigy, it's supposed to banished all 305 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: the cares of the outside world. So now you can 306 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: just hang with your buddies and have fun because you 307 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: have banished all your problems outside of the grove. Uh. 308 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: And then also they'll say it presents symbolically the salvation 309 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: of the trees by the club. The club is protecting 310 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: old growth groves of redwoods. Yeah. So in the robes, 311 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: though the robes are creepy, there's a lot of robes there. 312 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: It's um, it's definitely I can't get around just the 313 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: performance factor. Even though it is a right of some sorts, 314 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: it's a performance of a right. I don't know it. 315 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: It's it's just creepy to imagine that George H. W. 316 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: Bush and George W. Bush and you know, Nixon, Clinton, 317 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: all these other people, they end up there at some point, um, 318 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: hanging out and watching this thing. Nixon was not a 319 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: fan of it. He was not, but he was there. 320 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: He has a very explicit quote that we don't have 321 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: to go into, uh, but you can find it on Google. 322 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: Just google Nixon Bohemian Grove quote and I guarantee you 323 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: you'll get a chuckle out of it. And watch House 324 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: of Cards season four maybe has that in there as well. 325 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: It's a fictionalized version of it. So it's it's a 326 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: real thing. It's a real right, and for many of 327 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: us it's like, hey, that's that's silly, you know, but 328 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: we have to remember that for a long time, the 329 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: existence of that right was denied until a group of 330 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: people were able to get some some surreptitious hidden camera 331 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: footage of the thing actually happening and the whole thing 332 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: really does happen. These these people who I would ordinarily 333 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: assume had better things to do with their time, do 334 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: get dressed up in ropes, they do burn this effigy 335 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 1: in front of this giant owls sculpture, and they have 336 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: kind of a ritualized, dramatic play. Yeah, and you know, 337 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 1: one of the biggest questions here is what does the 338 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: owl truly represent? Right? Right? So, then when you're talking 339 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: about some of these ancient cults that may or may 340 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: not exist, to ball or Bail or whatever, to Minerva perhaps, 341 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: or to Mithra, the cult of Mithrus, they're all of 342 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: these different things of what could that owl possibly represent? 343 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: And that's where some of the independent researchers out there, 344 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: people who really see something nefarious happening here, it's where 345 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: they kind of take it a little further. Then maybe 346 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: you would imagine, sure, yeah, because then we I mean, 347 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: we can get into the psychology of this a little 348 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: bit later. But I think that's an excellent way to 349 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: set it up. We understand that in the absence of 350 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: a clear explanation, of course, speculation is going to thrive. 351 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: That's what human beings do. And we're maybe this is 352 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: not the best choice of word. We are devilishly good 353 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: at it. So this so not from nothing does this, 354 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: this idea of a cult of ball arise. But the 355 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: the speculation and the extrapolation that a lot of these 356 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: folks are making when when they take this this idea further, 357 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: is that this cult survived to modern times. Now, sure, 358 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: there are a lot of let's say, secretive religious organizations, 359 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: but that doesn't make them evil. For instance, the Drews 360 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: Religion d r u Z. The Drews religion is secretive. 361 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: It's not a thing everybody can join, but that doesn't 362 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: make it evil. Right. But the problem here is that 363 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: these fringe researchers say, Okay, this cult continues today, some 364 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: form of it. But this practice that there's not a 365 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: ton of hard proof of, this practice of human sacrifice, 366 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: continues today in an altered form. Today's occult elite still 367 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: observes these rights with one major difference. So so gunfire 368 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: replaces explosions, but also these rights are carried out on 369 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: unsuspecting civilians spread across the world through mass media. There's 370 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: a quotation, fed and amplified by the fear and trauma 371 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: of the masses. These mega rituals are seen by all, 372 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: but only celebrated by the occult elite. So the idea 373 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: here too. You've probably heard this in many horror stories, 374 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: or you've read this in horror fiction and so on. 375 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: The idea is that it's not just the murder itself 376 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: that occurs, it's the mental state of the victim that 377 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: is paramount of the ritual being conducted correctly. So the 378 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: fee year has to be there, right. The more people 379 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: that see this, that encounter this, witness it and feel 380 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: fear and trauma because of it, the more powerful the 381 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: ritual becomes. So you can see how this quickly goes 382 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: from here are some ancient text Here are some arguable 383 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: pieces of evidence about human sacrifice from thousands of years ago, 384 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: and then it jumps to here's black magic in the 385 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: modern day, and in between you get here are some 386 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: weird rituals that elite people to do right, and that's 387 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: the Bohemian growth thing is one example. And again, as 388 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: far as we know, the effigy has always only been 389 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: an effigy. So, Matt, you mentioned earlier the existence of 390 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: numerology playing a role here. What what's all that about? Well, 391 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: numbers man, the significance of numbers and letters adding up 392 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: to numbers, words equaling number is and then the the 393 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: significance of the number itself. So let's let's look at 394 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: one thing from the website Cutting Edge. So it's talking 395 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: about April nineteen to May one, and they are they're 396 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: saying on this website that this is blood sacrifice to 397 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: the beast, a most critical thirteen day period. Um. So 398 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: this is basically just kind of stating out there that 399 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: because of these numbers, because of four four nineteen and 400 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: or five one, and how they relate to each other 401 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: within a thirteen day period, it's important to sacrifice to 402 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: the beast. There specifically blood sacrifice. Then fire sacrifice is 403 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: specifically required at the beginning of this thirteen day period 404 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: on April nineteen. Interesting, where do you get all this? 405 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: It's a bit of a mystery to me. Um. Then. Also, 406 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: according to this website, April nineteenth is the first day 407 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: of that thirteen day period, and it's also a Satanic 408 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: ritual day uh also relating to fire and also relating 409 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: to the sun god or the the ancient Phoenician sun 410 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: god Bail or ball and this is also known as 411 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: Malek Nimrod, and is also having to do with the 412 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: Roman god Saturn. A lot of times when you're talking 413 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: about fire, you're gonna be speaking about a sun god 414 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: just someone who a god that represents fire, but also Satan, uh, 415 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: you know Saturn, which could be Satan or the devil. Um. Again, 416 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about April nineteenth year specifically. They're they're saying 417 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: that this day is really a almost it's not a holiday, 418 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: but it's a human sacrifice day. It's it's important to 419 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: sacrifice on April nineteen, and the sacrifices generally demand fire, 420 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: with an emphasis on younger people, on children, on early 421 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: life of virgins, that kind of thing. Um. And it's 422 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: again this is all according to Cutting Edge quote. This 423 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: day is one of the most important human sacrifice days 424 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: and as such has some very important historic events which 425 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: occur on this day. And that's the period, you know, 426 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: April nineteen to May first, again a thirteen day period. 427 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: So for people who believe in aspects of neurology that 428 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: would apply to this line of thinking, these seem like 429 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: very powerful significant numbers. We do have. We we have 430 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: an episode on numerology, don't we We did a video 431 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: on it. I did a video, don't know if we 432 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: ever covered it, and you run into it sometimes. But 433 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: numerology itself is um is not a monolithic belief system. 434 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: There are people who have varying, varying interpretations of this. 435 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: So it's a little suspect um. Yeah, we can we 436 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: can say we can say that. I mean, it's a 437 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: little suspect because a lot of times what we found 438 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: is that some people online in who you will find 439 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: using our appearing to use numerology are not necessarily using 440 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: the same techniques or the same meanings for numbers and 441 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: or um letters to numbers. There there's it's it's very fluid, 442 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying that. Yeah, that's what I mean. 443 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: There's not it's not monolithic. It's not a homogeneous approach, 444 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, and and the plus, 445 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: whenever people begin adding up numbers or picking numbers in 446 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: the way they do so varies widely. That's one of 447 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: the problems. But uh, Sun, God's fertility, God's ball and 448 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: sacrifices aside. Uh, let's look at some of the issues 449 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: with this belief. After a word from our sponsor, and 450 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: we have like spring returned. So if we didn't die 451 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: in the interim, So like the concept of numerology, which 452 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: we won't get into too much, because I think we 453 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: do have an interesting episode ahead of ahead of us 454 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: in that regard, Uh, there are a couple of other 455 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: problems with this idea, which shouldn't come as too much 456 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: of a surprise. The first problem, let's call it the 457 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: anniversary problem. According to Professor Robert blaskowis UH, the author 458 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: of a blog called Skeptical Humanities and actually a professor 459 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: here at our local institution of learning, Georgia Tech, there's 460 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: nothing about April itself as a month that makes people 461 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: inherently more violent. Instead, he argues, it comes down to anniversaries. 462 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: We have a quote here he says, the reason why 463 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: we see certain types of political violence in mid to 464 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: late April is because of a few unhappy coincidences. That 465 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: Waco happened to fall on the anniversary of the battles 466 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: of Lexington and Concord, the first battles in a war 467 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: against the tyrannical oppressor, and Professor Blastowoodz goes on to 468 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: say that for anti federal activists, the Waco massacre symbolized 469 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: a war of tyrannical government against the people. So you're 470 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: seeing the symbology being applied there. Um. Then he jumps 471 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: down to Timothy McVeigh and the Murray Building in Oklahoma City. Um, 472 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: and they're saying that he says that Mavey bombed on 473 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: the anniversary because of the symbolic importance, and that was 474 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: actually a known thing. He's said that. He stated that. Um, 475 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: his fake driver's license had an issue date of April nineteenth, 476 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: n the date of the Branch Davidian fire. Yes, that's correct. 477 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: And on April nineteen, twenty ten, gun advocates had a 478 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: rally in Washington to support the Second Amendment, even though 479 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: it hasn't really it wasn't really on the presidential administration's 480 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: radar at that time. So they did that again with 481 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: this April nineteenth date, this anniversary. This all led Professor 482 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: blaskowis to conclude that in the mythology that's grown up 483 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: around Waco and Oklahoma City among self identified patriots, the 484 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: nineteenth of April has become a sort of high holiday 485 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: for those who think they live under the thumb of 486 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: a tyrannical government. Yeah, it's pretty good argument. Absolutely. When 487 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: you see that when you see the basis there, and I, 488 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, I have to say I I tend to 489 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: agree with that, because anniversaries are important to people, especially 490 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: for trying to rally people around the cause. The problem 491 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: I have with translating April into back in time to 492 00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: ancient ancient practices is that the calendars differ. Bubble right 493 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: people um people before the Common Era, if you said 494 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: it was April nineteen, they would have no idea what 495 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: you were talking about. For the vast majority of the population, 496 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: if not the entire population they now, you know, Earth 497 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: just moves to its own tune, and people make calendars 498 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: to attempt to explain its movements and its moods. So 499 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: Earth was probably doing the same thing, roughly the same 500 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: thing around roughly the same time. But to ascribe a 501 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: certain take to that is a human technology. Absolutely, so 502 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: it makes all of sense. Depending on where you were 503 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: in the world before the Common Era, you would have 504 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: a completely different calendar because everything is different. We still 505 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: don't all have the same calendar now exactly. I mean, 506 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: what year is it in North Korea, what year is 507 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: it in Um the Islamic calendar, or what year you 508 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: know it's I think it's just because we all live 509 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: for so short a time at least for now, that 510 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: all these terribly ephemeral things appear to be uh static again, 511 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: monolithic and unchanging. But it's not the case. April is 512 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: a fad. The current calendar is a fad. Let's let's 513 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: see if we make it to this year three thousand 514 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: with this thing. But then we go to another problem, 515 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: which is a psychological a psychological plot twist we alluded 516 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: to in the first part of today's episode, and that 517 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: is the problem of information bias. You see, it turns 518 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: out that many, many, many, many, many other terrible things 519 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: have occurred during the other eleven months of the year. 520 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: Like Matt and I love August. That doesn't mean that 521 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: nothing bad happens in August. And things happened in August 522 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: a lot, and on August five, my birthday inste Yeah, 523 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,479 Speaker 1: it's scary, don't feel bad, man, Whole Hogan was born 524 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: on my birthday August eleventh. I don't know. So that 525 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: messed it up for everyone. Wait it messed it up. Yeah, 526 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: it messed it up. What about Okay? Wait, are we 527 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: taking Hulk Hogan as a whole or are we taking 528 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: like the whole hogan. Take the whole hogan. It's a 529 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a net negative. That is 530 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: a shirt, my friend, the whole hogan. Oh boy, that's 531 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: the the whole ugly truth. Just not just pasta Mania. 532 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: He had a restaurant. Was it a restaurant? Do you 533 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: remember that? I don't. Oh, I've got okay, we gotta 534 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: do stop everything. I've hold the presses. You gotta show 535 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: you this. So I'm showing yeah, it was a restaurant, 536 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: Posta Mania. I'm showing uh from Matt a great great 537 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: picture of Hulk Holgan promoting Posta Mania, his short lived 538 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: pasta store. Could you describe this picture? Back? So he's 539 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: got his signature yellow shredded up tank top and he's 540 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: also got a yellow chef's hat. He's holding up in 541 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: his right hand if if this is correct, he spooned 542 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: or no, a fork full of pasta. He in his 543 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: other hand. He's just got too much pasta in a plate, 544 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: a bowl of sorts, and on his shirt it says 545 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: Pasta Mania with an exclamation mark, and it is just 546 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: a beautiful image. He also has a a sort of 547 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: cheeky chef style hat. That's flopped over on the side 548 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: and blazing with the same logo in his cross necklace 549 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: and his cross necklace, so you know that he's sacrificing 550 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: to the pasta cos right, And uh, these Kirsten Dunce 551 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: level dead eyes. That is pasta mania. Yeah. Yeah, that 552 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: must have been an old was it w W at 553 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: the time. It must have been old promotion of some sort. 554 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: And there's no way he went in on fosta maniaganu 555 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: the hole Hogan. Yeah, Uh, we've got a no, he 556 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: really did it. I could see that. I just pulled 557 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: up the menu. H So, so that moment of levity aside. 558 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: It's true that terrible things have occurred the other eleven 559 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: months of the year. For example, nine eleven occurred in September, right, 560 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: m hm, yeah, I mean yes, yes, it's and it's 561 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: it's disturbingly easy for any human brain to dwell on 562 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: information that fits a predetermined conclusion, and it's easy for 563 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: us to ignore evidence to the contrary. And we've talked 564 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: about this before, and I know how ridiculous it sounds 565 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: when we're talking about it on a purely intellectual basis, 566 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: But when you come to when you when you come 567 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: to an emotional argument or something with which you identify emotionally, 568 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: it's very tough to catch yourself in the moment. And 569 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: it's it's happened to all of us. It's our it's 570 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: our habit of cherry picking things. And this We have 571 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: one example, which is, like, you know, if you believe 572 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: that all birds can fly, and you're emotionally wrapped up 573 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: in this, then your brain will have an easy time 574 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: discounting evidence that Kiwi's ostriches and EMUs and so on 575 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: either a exist or be birds. You know, like they're 576 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: not really birds though, because all birds can fly. Why 577 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: are you hastling me about this? You're being a real 578 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: pill specifically Kiwi's. Specifically kiwis the most hated. Which penguins? Oh, yeah, penguins. 579 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: I've never eaten a penguin, but I have heard, I've 580 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: read from historical accounts that they do have a fishy taste. 581 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: Is just making yeah, she hates penguins. Have you eaten 582 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: a penguin? Whoa that many see? I hope she's recording that, 583 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: because if she's not, we can we get to make 584 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: it seem like she said anything. We want maybe a 585 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: better example of cherry picking that would that will unfortunately 586 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: hit home for all of us listening is if you 587 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: have ever had an argument with a significant other or 588 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: someone at work, especially if someone who works you don't 589 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: get along with, or you know a family member or 590 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: a close friend, anyone that you're emotionally close to or 591 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: see often if you have formed an opinion about them, 592 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter after a certain amount of time, 593 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: whether or after a certain degree, whether or not your 594 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: opinion jives with the facts. There was an old um 595 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,720 Speaker 1: there's an old stand up bit where where in the comic. 596 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: All right, I'll say his name, Louis c. K horrible person, 597 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: But where where wherein he pointed out? You know, if 598 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: you don't like someone, you'll just find reasons not to 599 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: like them. They can do any number of amazing, wonderful 600 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: things for the world, and you'll just hate him. That's 601 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: that's how it works, because you'll cherry pick discount the 602 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: things that they did that run counter to your opinion 603 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: of them. And it works in the other direction as well. 604 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: If you really really love someone, you really really love, 605 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: even like a band or um, a member of a 606 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: band or something, or a wrestler, you know, then then 607 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: you'll ignore the whole hogan and you'll just go for Yeah, 608 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: you'll just go for the things that you find likable 609 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: about that person. And this this is dangerous because we 610 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: just illustrated. I think, how, uh, one other example if 611 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: we didn't get everybody in the cry out yet, here's 612 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: one other example, but a president Wow for real though, No, 613 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: that's that's true. Yeah, any president that has ever been 614 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: in office. That occurs to them by pretty much every 615 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: American at least, people say one way or the other. Yeah, 616 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: one way or the other. People say Kennedy could do 617 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: no wrong or you know, right right, so on. And 618 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: one thing would be a good personal example is let's 619 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: say you've been in a relationship that's at a low 620 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: point or it's not working out, and you're at the 621 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: point where a lot of your arguments are the you 622 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: always do this arguments. So don't let yourself emotionally get 623 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: trapped there right now as you're listening, But think about 624 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: it in the most abstract way you can. Are they 625 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: always like that? Are they really always like that? Because 626 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: they're probably not. They're probably not always like that. I 627 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: have just a really personal quick example. I had a 628 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: very very deep dislike of close to hatred but not 629 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: quite of a certain singer named Beyonce when I was 630 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: growing up, okay, in early in high school. And it's 631 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: because of the movie Goldfinger Austin Powers, because in my opinion, 632 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: she ruined that film when I was that kid. Now, look, 633 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: I recently watched Homecoming on Netflix with my wife, a 634 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: performance that she had at Coachella that she produced and directed. 635 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,280 Speaker 1: It was one of the most phenomenal things I've ever seen. Um, 636 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: it took me this long to change my opinion about 637 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: Beyonce or Beyonce, miss b whoever, queen be whatever you 638 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: want to call her. A person that you have never met, 639 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,959 Speaker 1: a person I've never met but had preconceived notions about 640 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: because of a performance in a movie that that I 641 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: felt strongly about when I was a kid. Uh, And 642 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: it took until now. But anyway, just just putting that 643 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: out there, did you feel like Goldmember was this cinematic 644 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: master she and that was high school Austin Powers was 645 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. And when Goldmember happened, I 646 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: was just like, Nah, I can't handle this. You felt 647 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: they had you felt they had fallen. Wow, But anyway, 648 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: I just apologies overall, and uh, watch Homecoming. It's actually great. 649 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: I'll check it out. Yeah, And I think that's I 650 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: think that's a good That's a good example because it 651 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: shows us how this phenomenon of of of cherry picking 652 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: and predetermining stuff occurs on micro and macro cosmic levels. 653 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: And furthermore, kudos to you man, because you were able 654 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: to You were able to critically assess your own opinion. 655 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: And it's okay for people to change their minds when 656 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: exposed to new information or new experiences. I know we 657 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: don't like to hear that too often a mass media. 658 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: It's called flip flopping. But when new information emerges, if 659 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,320 Speaker 1: you if you want to work to your highest mental abilities, 660 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: that means you have to continually assess what's going on 661 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,760 Speaker 1: in the world around you, way tougher than it seems 662 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: in this case. To take it past Beyonce, past whole Hogan, 663 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: and back to this idea of a cult purposefully sacrificeing 664 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: large amounts of people through very circuitous means during during April, 665 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: we have to say that the connection between these massive 666 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: acts of violence in the month of April seemed more 667 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: connected through cherry picking and the possible commemoration of previous tragedies, 668 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: you know, like, um, we don't know for sure whether 669 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: the shooters in Columbine were commemorating the birthday of Adolf 670 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: Hitler or Waco. While there may be something darkly tempting 671 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: about connecting these events to an ancient religious practice, the 672 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 1: evidence just does not seem to support some sort of 673 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,439 Speaker 1: purposeful mass sacrifice by a secret elite cult. Yeah, it's 674 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: just it's not there right now, it's not. And we 675 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: say that only what five days ago, four days ago 676 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: the massive fire and Notre Dame and the cathedral. Yes, 677 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,399 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you mentioned that. Yeah, I mean, we're 678 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: right within that range. And we're actually recording on April 679 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,879 Speaker 1: nineteen and now speaking on the Notre Dame fire. What 680 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: we know as of this day, on the nineteenth, it 681 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,800 Speaker 1: seems to be it occurred at least probably because of 682 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: an electrical short or an electrical issue, while while repairs 683 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: and or um not refurbishments with restorations restorations on the 684 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,720 Speaker 1: cathedral were occurring, and no one was injured at least 685 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,840 Speaker 1: as of now, that's what we we know that no 686 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: one was injured. But still it was this massive fire 687 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: that was a worldwide story that that happened right right 688 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: the fire at Notre Dame, and you had, um, you 689 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: had mentioned this too off air before we hopped in, 690 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: and it had me frantically searching to see whether someone 691 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 1: had died. It's a little bit early now for the more, um, 692 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: the more analytical information to come out about this, because 693 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: I believe the police are still researching. I do think 694 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting that so many people came together to donate 695 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: a massive amount of money for this, uh for for 696 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: the restoration and the reconstruction of the building, um in 697 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: so short a time. And it's also true that it's 698 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: entirely possible something else could happen after we record this episode, 699 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: where after it publishes. Yeah, well if we gosh, I'm 700 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: so sorry. Just a couple of other instances the widely 701 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: reported Boeing plane crashes that have occurred, and I believe 702 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: they occurred mostly in March, at least I know the 703 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: Ethiopian one I think occurred in March. And you know, 704 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,240 Speaker 1: these are fiery explosions that killed lots and lots of people, 705 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: but they occurred right outside of this range that you know, UM, 706 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: some of the researchers would believe is the time of sacrifice. 707 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: So it's it just kind of leads us back to 708 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: all these things. I'm just trying trying to throw these 709 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,799 Speaker 1: things out there because I know people might wonder about 710 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: them or why we didn't mention them. M hmm, yeah, yeah, 711 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,320 Speaker 1: and I think it's important to mention those. Furthermore, we'd 712 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,320 Speaker 1: like to know other events that we have not touched 713 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: on that occurred in April of this year. As we know, 714 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: mass media does try to cast its eye everywhere, but 715 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: it promotes some stories more than it promotes others, So 716 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: let us know what you think. We also want to 717 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: point out there's another deeply disturbing concern here. Does the 718 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: proliferation of this sort of pattern making somehow cheapen the deaths, 719 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,399 Speaker 1: of the tragedy, of the loss of the people who 720 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,320 Speaker 1: fell victim to these heinous acts? It's a valid question. 721 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,800 Speaker 1: Or are members of society simply doing what humans do best, 722 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: creating patterns in a misguided attempt to make sense of 723 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: a senseless, chaotic, and uncarrying universe. Again, let us know. Yeah, 724 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: you can find us on social media On Twitter and Facebook, 725 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: we are conspiracy stuff. On Instagram, we are a Conspiracy 726 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,400 Speaker 1: Stuff Show. 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