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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton's Show. We hope all

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Speaker 2: of you had a phenomenal weekend. We are here to

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Speaker 2: begin the fifteen hours of fun that we will bring

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Speaker 2: to you over the course of this week, and we

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Speaker 2: have got a bevy of stories to dive into with

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Speaker 2: all of you. We begin though, Buck and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to sound like I am CNN here, but the

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Speaker 2: walls are closing in on Joe Biden. In the last week,

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Speaker 2: we had double IRS whistleblower under oath testimony that Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden's Department of Justice had covered for Hunter Biden to

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Speaker 2: provide him with a sweetheart deal. We had an FBI

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Speaker 2: agent under oath say that the FBI knew that the

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Speaker 2: laptop was one hundred percent real, that is Hunter Biden's

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Speaker 2: laptop when the New York Post story came down in

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Speaker 2: October of twenty twenty and it was immediately censored. We

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Speaker 2: also have a reliable, historically informant to the FBI who

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Speaker 2: says that Hunter and Joe Biden were paid ten million

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Speaker 2: dollars between them to do work for Beisma up to

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Speaker 2: and including insisting that a prosecutor be fired over the

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Speaker 2: work that that prosecutor was doing. That Bearisma did not

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Speaker 2: like all three of those stories becoming in earnest legitimate.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to deny that they are substantial stories. The

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Speaker 2: last week, late last night, Buck, our good friend Miranda

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Speaker 2: Divine at The New York Post, who initially broke the

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden laptop story, she dropped a doozy of a

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Speaker 2: story about upcoming under oath testimony that will soon arise,

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Speaker 2: and that is this Buck that on at least is

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Speaker 2: it fourteen occasions? I believe there were telephone calls where

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Speaker 2: Hunter wanted to show and demonstrate how impressive his connections were,

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Speaker 2: and so he had his dad, Vice President Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: hop on those calls to demonstrate what exactly was going on.

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Speaker 2: Two dozen times. I apologize at least two dozen times.

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Speaker 2: That is twenty four times. That is what ex business

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Speaker 2: partner Devin Archer is going to testify to. This is

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Speaker 2: important because Joe Biden has consistently said that he had

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Speaker 2: absolutely nothing to do with Hunter Biden's business dealings. Now

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Speaker 2: we all know that's a lie because of the evidence

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Speaker 2: that's come out so far, but under oath testimonies, specifically

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Speaker 2: referencing twenty four different calls that Joe Biden was involved in.

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Speaker 2: There's also the allegation, we'll see whether or not these exacts,

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Speaker 2: that there are all of these recorded phone calls involving

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden and the Bereizeman executive, including two involving Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden himself. All of this is becoming buck even if

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Speaker 2: you are a died in the Wooll Democrat supporter, this

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Speaker 2: is becoming almost impossible to ignore.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's just take a look at one of these

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Speaker 3: things for a second. This is from Miranda Devine's piece

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Speaker 3: because Claire, then then I want to pose this to

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Speaker 3: you with the the next step component of this. Right,

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Speaker 3: Let's say the walls are closing in. What happens when

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Speaker 3: the walls close all the way Like in Star.

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Speaker 2: Wars, you have to find something that keeps the member

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Speaker 2: when they're in the garbage the dump.

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Speaker 3: They have to find something that stops it from shutting completely.

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Speaker 3: But I want to get there, but just first, because

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Speaker 3: I think you know, we hit this point and this

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of different you know there's a bunch

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Speaker 3: because it's a pretty complicated scheme they were running. But

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Speaker 3: ten weeks before the call. This is from Mirandovie Divine's

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Speaker 3: New York Post piece on September twenty fourth, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Noteworthy because Joe Biden is the vice president, he's actually

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Speaker 3: in office. To make this very clear for everybody, US

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Speaker 3: Ambassador Jeffrey Piat had given a speech about corruption in

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Speaker 3: Odessa in which he targeted Zhlatzchewski's Lachev. Yeah, that's right

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Speaker 3: by name Lachewsky involved in this whole scheme. By then,

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Speaker 3: Ukrainian Prosecutor General Victor Chokin, who we talked about last week,

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Speaker 3: February second, twenty sixteen, would seize four houses in Kiev,

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Speaker 3: two plots of land, and a Rolls Royce belonging to Zlatzchewski,

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Speaker 3: who was living in exile in Dubai. I'd never get

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Speaker 3: the way, I don't understand it, but anyway, a month later,

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Speaker 3: Chokun was fired after Joe bid threatened to withhold one

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Speaker 3: soever and can see because some of this stuff is, oh,

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Speaker 3: well Biden was out of office, or was there any

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Speaker 3: equid pro quo? What is established there? That chain of

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Speaker 3: a clear quid pro quo. He admitted to him. He

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Speaker 3: but it's not. And this brings me to the walls

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Speaker 3: they're closing in? How do the walls close in? Clay

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Speaker 3: Let let's let's take this one. Let's do or gain

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Speaker 3: this a little bit. Democrat prosecutors, or I should say,

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Speaker 3: doj Under Biden is going to decide that they finally

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Speaker 3: had enough. They're going to prosecute a sitting president. No,

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Speaker 3: it's not going to happen, right. I think we can

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Speaker 3: agree on that Democrats are going to all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: after all we've seen, grow some kind of a political

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Speaker 3: conscience and decide that it's too corrupt. Did Joe Biden? Remember?

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Speaker 3: They are gearing up for in their eyes, the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four election is in the Democrat mind. Okay, put

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Speaker 3: a side. We still have a primary. Nothing is you know,

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Speaker 3: nothing is final. The Fat Lady has not yet sung.

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Speaker 3: But Democrats are gearing up for what they view as

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Speaker 3: an existential fight for our democracy against Donald Trump. Is

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Speaker 3: there any world in which they will give up political

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Speaker 3: that they really are fighting for the future of this

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Speaker 3: country as it is a republic. But they like to

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Speaker 3: color democracy and therefore do what is necessary here with

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: You don't mean like what, I'm not going to do

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Speaker 2: anything I think, and that's why. And I understand the frustration.

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Speaker 2: I understand everybody out there saying, how much more open

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Speaker 2: and chuck in this git And let me be clear, Buck,

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Speaker 2: this is far worse than Watergate. Let me be clear

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Speaker 2: about this. What is very reliably alleged, all that we're

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Speaker 2: laying out that Joe Biden may well have done is

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Speaker 2: far worse than anything that occurred with Watergate. Let me

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Speaker 2: be clear, far worse, far worse than anything that was

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Speaker 2: alleged that Bill Clinton himself did while he was in office,

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Speaker 2: and also far worse than anything that has been alleged

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Speaker 2: that Donald Trump did while in office. I should say

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Speaker 2: credibly alleged, because they were all sorts of crazy. This

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Speaker 2: is credible allegations, right. This isn't just you and me

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Speaker 2: throwing random things at the wall and hoping something sticks.

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Speaker 2: These are significant, credible allegations that are being made under oath.

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Speaker 2: And this is so important, Buck, When you make an

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Speaker 2: allegation like this under oath, if you are lying, you

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Speaker 2: are setting yourself up to be prosecuted for perjury. So

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Speaker 2: this is I think a lot of people miss this.

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Speaker 2: What is the benefit to putting yourself under oath and

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Speaker 2: risk imprisonment? If you're not telling the truth and you

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Speaker 2: raise your right hand to testify under oath in front

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Speaker 2: of Congress something that is one hundred percent false, you

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Speaker 2: It doesn't feel likely to me. So what should happen?

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Speaker 2: What should happen in an honest world is the Washington

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Speaker 2: Trump were involved. That's what should happen in an honest world.

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Speaker 3: We're not in an honest.

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Speaker 2: World, we have proper endemy zero chance, zero chance, Right,

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Speaker 2: So what should happen? What can you do? Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: should be impeached, and Joe Biden should be impeached, and

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Speaker 2: the Republicans in the House must have primetime hearings on

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Speaker 2: all of these allegations surrounding the Biden crime family. And

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Speaker 2: some of you out there say why, because what happened

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Speaker 2: with the January sixth primetime hearings buck It moved enough people.

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Speaker 2: There were a tiny number of people who saw that

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Speaker 2: and they said, oh, my goodness, Trump is a threat

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Speaker 2: to the Republic. I'm going to vote differently than I

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Speaker 2: not about Look, the Democrats and the Senate are going

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Speaker 2: to protect Joe Biden. They're not going to vote to

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Speaker 2: remove him from office. There's not going to be sixty

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Speaker 2: seven Senators who suddenly have a stroke of conscience and say,

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Speaker 2: my goodness, this is far more serious than Watergate. We

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Speaker 2: can't have a president to say nothing of his dementia.

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Speaker 2: We can't have a president who did this while in

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Speaker 2: office as vice president. Must have primetime hearings. Every Republican

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Speaker 2: must vote to impeach.

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Speaker 3: I would wonder, so the political remedy, You're right, is

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Speaker 3: the only remedy that is possible here, which is what

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Speaker 3: we've been saying all along. You want justice win and

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Speaker 3: have the power to do something about it.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Anyone's sitting around saying, but maybe the DOJ will fund No,

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Speaker 3: they're not gonna know. Anything not gonna happen. Right, we

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Speaker 3: all understand we've seen him with Hunter. Let's keep in

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Speaker 3: mind this is a more complicated, you know, scheme. The

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden situation is as straightforward as anything can be.

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Speaker 3: The guy took millions of dollars, hit it in accounts,

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Speaker 3: intentionally didn't pay taxes on at full stop tax evasion.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: If they can make that go away, they'll make anything

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Speaker 3: go away. That's as straightforward a violation of law as

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Speaker 3: you're gonna find. But to your point about the impeachments,

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Speaker 3: I would even put it to the Republican leadership, and

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Speaker 3: wasn't on board for this, and say, what's the argument

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Speaker 3: against this? Is Joe Biden not guilty of high crimes

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Speaker 3: and misdemeanors while in office as a result of this,

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Speaker 3: and let's look at what the precedent is, what has

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Speaker 3: been set here, which is that they were willing to prosecute,

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Speaker 3: or I should say, to push an impeachment, which is

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Speaker 3: like a form of prosecution against Donald Trump. For in

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Speaker 3: the first instance, you still sit there and say, what

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Speaker 3: exactly was the impeachable offense? I can't even really remember.

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Speaker 2: They argued buck that Trump was demanding a foreign investigation

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Speaker 2: of his chief political rival, and therefore he must be

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Speaker 2: impeached for it.

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Speaker 3: Right he But I mean, what was the law? What

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Speaker 3: law does he really break?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: It was effectively they were claiming some kind of quid.

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Speaker 2: Probate again, yeah, the crazy Yes, they were trying to

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Speaker 2: argue that he was threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine

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Speaker 3: That was there. Aw, can I just point out it's

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Speaker 3: a political crime, basically, it's not actually criminal violation, is

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Speaker 3: my point? Right, There's there's no crime that has been

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Speaker 3: actually the really bizarre but now, I guess unsurprising part

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Speaker 3: of this is the whole premise was accurate. So to

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Speaker 3: bring that impeachment against Trump you would have to be

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Speaker 3: operating in a world where the son of a Democrat

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Speaker 3: can commit the worst kinds of corruption and bribery abroad

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Speaker 3: and sell out his country via Daddy without consequence, which

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Speaker 3: is effectively Clay. What they ended up saying right that

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Speaker 3: it was how dare you go after Hunter Biden? Well,

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Speaker 3: he was breaking him off. It was still remarkable, buck

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Speaker 3: is that? And we need to talk about this more.

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Speaker 3: Trump was impeached the first time for drawing attention to

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's clearly impeachable acts.

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Speaker 2: Think about I mean this to me really kind of

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Speaker 2: crystallizes how much we live in an upside down world.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump was impeached the first time for trying to

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Speaker 2: draw attention to Joe Biden's imminently impeachable and may probably

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Speaker 3: ARTI welcome back to Clay and Buck. We were just

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Speaker 3: The very honest Clay, the very honest and reliable shift

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Speaker 5: For My sense of Jack Smith is he's doing what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess what they're going to go for a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would ask Speaker Kevin McCarthy, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Democrats weren't afraid of impeaching Trump twice

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show one aspect

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Speaker 3: Is why would he do this?

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Speaker 2: What's the motive for Joe Biden to suddenly engage in

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Speaker 3: And but you and I agree.

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Speaker 2: That really this is Joe Biden believing his political career

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Speaker 2: back in time when all.

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Speaker 3: This was happening.

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Speaker 2: His president, the guy who selected him for VP, has

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Speaker 2: And so Joe Biden is sitting there at an advanced age.

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Speaker 2: He's looking at the political landscape. He expects Hillary to

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Speaker 3: Again, it wasn't a bad calculation at the time. Obviously

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Speaker 2: And also the only reason this is a story today

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Speaker 3: That's right, Hyder was getting. That's right.

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Speaker 2: Think about what Hunter was getting. You know, if you

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Speaker 2: wanted truly to pay somebody illegally, I'm just giving this

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Speaker 2: is not I'm not your your your criminal lawyer here,

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Speaker 2: all right, but I'm just saying, you give all the

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Speaker 2: money in cash.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: We know Hunter was spending money like crazy on hookers

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Speaker 2: and and and also drugs and all sorts of cash

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Speaker 2: based businesses. We're only able to track this dollars now

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Speaker 2: because it got wired to him if it were just cash.

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Speaker 2: And I bet he, I bet that Hunter was getting

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Speaker 2: duffel bags sometimes of cash, millions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: That you play track is a family show. But I

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Speaker 3: just want to throw out there a lot of ways

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Speaker 3: you could probably keep Hunter Biden happy that aren't trackable

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Speaker 3: via the you know, via wire transfer, if you get

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Speaker 3: my drift right, I mean a lot of ways we're

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Speaker 3: trying to buy off Hunter Biden. I'm just saying a

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Speaker 3: lot of stuff you could probably offer him that doesn't

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Speaker 3: show up in a bank account anyway. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that's the case, but I could surmise given some

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Speaker 3: of the business interests that he was chasing down. But Clay,

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Speaker 3: here's the bigger point. The what was for sale, The

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Speaker 3: the obvious ploy here was that Hunter was taking in

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Speaker 3: millions of dollars from foreign adversaries of the United States,

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Speaker 3: certainly in the context of communist China and you know,

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Speaker 3: Ukraine is a you know, it's the danger is a

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Speaker 3: very corrupt situation, very dangerous situation for US because they're

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Speaker 3: using US and trying to leverage US visa via their

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Speaker 3: own internal corruption, and also against Russia as we know. Clay,

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Speaker 3: the whole point is that is that Papa Joe is

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Speaker 3: going to get on the phone with the Clinton administration. Right,

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Speaker 3: this is what the plan was. It makes sense from

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Speaker 3: the perspective of these businessmen. They were not stupid. I

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Speaker 3: get it. They're gonna get on the phone and they're

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Speaker 3: going to get decisions, policy decisions made, like get that

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Speaker 3: prosecutor fired. That guy's you know, creating problems for me,

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Speaker 3: Sign that deal, sign that treaty, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: Most of life, especially in political life, is based on

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Speaker 2: what Buck access? Can you get access to decision makers?

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Speaker 2: And what is otherwise a super complicated, very busy world.

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Speaker 2: That's why so many of these former politicians what do

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Speaker 2: they do? They leave office, They don't go to other jobs.

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Speaker 2: Most of them go to K Street, Famous Street, where

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Speaker 2: the lobbyists are based in Washington, d C. They start

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Speaker 2: taking millions of dollars from people that they used to

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Speaker 2: work with as a representative and now suddenly they are lobbying, right,

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Speaker 2: and so you are basically in the relationship business. Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: through Hunter, through other people can get you in the

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Speaker 2: room that matters. And that's why Buck, this Miranda Divine

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Speaker 2: story that's up at the New York Post is so

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Speaker 2: significant because what Joe was saying when he was getting

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Speaker 2: on the phone calls is basically, Hey, my son has

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Speaker 2: direct access to me if he needs If you need something,

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Speaker 2: Hunter can come straight to me. And so so much

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Speaker 2: of this I guarantee you was all under the radar.

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Speaker 2: They were trying to be trying to be discreet in

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Speaker 2: some way, but I think the motivation matters. And I

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Speaker 2: haven't heard a lot of Republicans out there. I haven't

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Speaker 2: heard a lot of media peace, people saying, Okay, why

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Speaker 2: would Joe Biden do this? Why would he be so sloppy?

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Speaker 2: He thought his political career was over and he was

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Speaker 2: trying to cash in at the very end of it.

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Speaker 3: This is why the Clintons were running a very similar scam,

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Speaker 3: but they were more slick about it insofar as they

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Speaker 3: created the plausible deniability of oh, we're running a foundation,

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Speaker 3: we're empowering women and fighting climate change. It was a

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Speaker 3: pass through for buying influence with the future Clinton presidency,

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Speaker 3: which is why they're all and especially the Clinton Global Initiative,

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Speaker 3: which was taking money from you know, the Saudis and wherever.

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Speaker 3: And that's why it all collapsed when she didn't win.

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Speaker 3: If it was a charity, Clay, well, you to stop

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Speaker 3: giving a charity, right, I mean, you think some of

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Speaker 2: The Towers is not going away no matter who wins

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Speaker 3: Totally. But you see, you go, wait a second, the

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Speaker 3: Clinton Global Initiative just collapse within twelve months of Hillary

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Speaker 2: And they did with their crackhead son as opposed to sophisticated,

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Speaker 3: Part of your day. Welcome back, team. We'll take some

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Speaker 3: calls eight hundred two A two two eight A two.

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Speaker 3: Also what you know in the next hour. I really

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Speaker 3: I got fired up about this over the weekend. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna be diving into it here shortly. I don't think

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Speaker 3: clan and I have to remind you anymore that we

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Speaker 3: both love history because we talk about it a lot,

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Speaker 3: and we do. And over the weekend, I was taking

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Speaker 3: a break from writing my book which would be out

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Speaker 3: next summer, Clay's book, which would be out in a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks, but I was reading some histories. I

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Speaker 3: like to because it helps relax my mind. But Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris is traveling to Florida today to lie about the

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Speaker 3: history curriculum in this state and make it seem like

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Speaker 3: it is well racist, and it's just not true. And

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Speaker 3: she's making this a big point of contention. So I

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Speaker 3: didn't want to talk to you all about that in

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Speaker 3: the next hour, So we will get into some of it.

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Speaker 3: Thomas in NYC. First off, here Thomas, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, A couple of points. First, if it wasn't

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Speaker 4: for Huck to Biden leave in the laptop at the

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Speaker 4: repair shop and Joe Biden telling everybody how he fired

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Speaker 4: the Ukraine prosecutor, we would have never known about this.

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Speaker 4: Second point, nobody's brought this up. I believe it's my

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Speaker 4: opinion that the January twenty twenty Trump impeachment was a distraction,

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Speaker 4: a diversion for looking into this. If the FBI would

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Speaker 4: have done his job and more Republicans would ask questions

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Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty, not only would this hurt Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden would hurt the Democrats. Let's not forget Barack Obama's legacy,

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Speaker 4: his VP involved in this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Thomas Klay Klein, I were just talking

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Speaker 3: about this in the commercial break for a second here,

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Speaker 3: It's totally true that by going on offense here, right, Clay,

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Speaker 3: by going on offense on the issue of Barisma, Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: Hunter Trump, it shifted the whole narrative. It created all

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Speaker 3: of this cover so that then they can turn around

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Speaker 3: and be like, when we go, hold on a second,

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Speaker 3: it's all true and Hunter was doing this, they go, oh,

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Speaker 3: you mean the thing that Trump got in peached over

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Speaker 3: it was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Whoever in the Democrat Party came up with It's brilliant

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Speaker 2: and it is so insidious that I can't believe that

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Speaker 2: it worked, Buck, because what they did think about this,

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Speaker 2: they probably some of the Democrat strategists probably said, ooh,

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Speaker 2: we got we got some issues here with what Hunter

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Speaker 2: and Joe have done associated with Ukraine. So instead of

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Speaker 2: focusing on them, what they decided to do was they

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Speaker 2: used Trump's call discussing them as evidence. This is their

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Speaker 2: claim that Trump was threatening to withhold money to Ukraine

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Speaker 2: unless they did an investigation into his chief political rival.

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Speaker 2: Now what's so amazing about this, buck is they said

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Speaker 2: that was impeachable. Then think about what they've done. They

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Speaker 2: are trying to put Joe Biden's chief political rival in prison.

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Speaker 2: Then said it was unacceptable for Trump to raise very

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Speaker 2: legitimate questions about Hunter and Joe Biden's behavior and getting

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Speaker 2: a prosecutor fired in Ukraine. They spun that as they're trying,

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Speaker 2: Trump is trying to get a foreign adversary to interfere

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Speaker 2: in our election and therefore he must be impeached over this.

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Speaker 2: And then as soon as he got into office, Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden's Department of Justice is trying to put Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: actually in prison. It is if once you look at it,

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Speaker 2: it is remarkable the degree to which they have gotten

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Speaker 2: away with infinitely worse behavior than they claim is unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: They weaponize the DOJ in the process of claiming that

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Speaker 3: the other side was weaponizing the DOJ. That is what

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Speaker 3: they've done with with this whole thing, which is neat and.

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Speaker 2: This is where I get so angry. This is where

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Speaker 2: I legitimately get angry. It's one thing for you and

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Speaker 2: I to say it, and this audience out there is like,

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Speaker 2: oh my goodness, you know they're one hundred percent right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: of course we are. What's so frustrating to me is

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Speaker 2: and what I spend so much time thinking about I

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Speaker 2: really do is Okay, how do you break through? How

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Speaker 2: do you break through into the open field where sixty

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Speaker 2: or sixty five percent of people say, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: this is this is really awful, right, Because it takes

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Speaker 2: sixty percent. You can win an election with fifty percent

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Speaker 2: plus one vote or too sixty you know, two hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy electoral votes whatever, that's a narrow victory. You

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Speaker 2: need to just have a Reagan style swamping in order

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Speaker 2: for this to really get the wash out right, you

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Speaker 2: need a flood of people to become aware of what's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 3: Elena in Austin, Texas, one of my favorite towns. What's

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Speaker 3: going on Lena?

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, Well, i'd rather be talking SEC football. I'm

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Speaker 6: going to talk about why I think Congress would not

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Speaker 6: want to Congressman wouldn't want to teach Joe Biden. Tamala Harris.

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Speaker 6: The woman scares me to death as much as I think,

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Speaker 6: excuse me, Joe Biden is the worst president we've ever had.

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Speaker 6: I can't imagine what kind of damage this woman would

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Speaker 6: do in the time remaining she had.

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Speaker 3: And Elena, you know that the Senate would happen. The

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Speaker 3: Senate would have to remove and no one think that's

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Speaker 3: never gonna They're never removing.

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Speaker 2: Who's your team, Elena Alberta.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say it. I was going to

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Speaker 3: say role tie, just to show everybody how much I've learned.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Buck, it is interesting, but again, this

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Speaker 2: is just a political move to actually hold Joe Biden accountable.

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Speaker 2: There is a zero percent chance of the Senate doing

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Speaker 2: anything to remove him, even if the House voted to impeach.

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Speaker 3: Let's talking about Kamala's political move in Florida next