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Speaker 1: and in person because one of us is, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just virtual again. Hey hey, Isaiah, you're looking great down there.
Speaker 1: You're looking nice and sunny and you look fantastic. Look
Speaker 1: at that freshly shaved I mean, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Where are you at? Man? It's just a little family vacation,
Speaker 1: you know, just taking the family out. They just got
Speaker 1: out of school. You know, we got the season coming up,
Speaker 1: so I'm just you know, a little quick, little getaway
Speaker 1: so I can go ahead and recalibrate and get ready
Speaker 1: to get back to it. I'm impressed. If I were
Speaker 1: doing that, I would not be doing the show today.
Speaker 1: That's dedication. Yeah, I would. I would see you guys
Speaker 1: next Monday. That's dedication right there. You know what he
Speaker 1: like Bain said, we're here for the people. Why why
Speaker 1: would that the reference? Why why did we have to
Speaker 1: go straight to people and we're here for them? We gotta,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta have one a show at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fair maybe villain reference, but hey, yeah, no, we
Speaker 1: appreciate your We appreciate your dedication. And how about that
Speaker 1: for the listeners at home, you get to steer still
Speaker 1: here Isaiah stand Back, even though he's a little just,
Speaker 1: we still have him in our hearts here we're talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But outside of isaiahs stand back, we've got Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: heck My Horiston, I'm Kyle Yeoman's driving the bus here
Speaker 1: for the next hour. As OTAs begin today here from
Speaker 1: the Star and Firstco. Now, we don't necessarily get a
Speaker 1: chance to watch any of these OTAs at least today,
Speaker 1: because media availability is tomorrow and it's raining outside here
Speaker 1: in Frisco, so there's no real look at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: team anyways, so OTAs on the horizon, we're gonna kind
Speaker 1: of preview exactly. Hey, there's a good live looking outside.
Speaker 1: Great job Chris Beam and Scott Purcella watching. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: the Toastito's Championship plaza as it is rainy and stormy,
Speaker 1: nasty outside, but inside we get to talk about OTAs.
Speaker 1: We're gonna preview it coming up here in just a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. But first I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: guys a question. I was asked this the other day
Speaker 1: on the Blitz and it's it was a very interesting
Speaker 1: question to me. Katon Gates came up with the question,
Speaker 1: and ultimately it's who has the most pressure? And we
Speaker 1: talked about offense and defense last week, right and we
Speaker 1: talked about how there's different types of pressure on both
Speaker 1: of those sides of the football. But who has the
Speaker 1: most pressure from a coordinator standpoint, Dan Quinn or Kellen Moore?
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore entering his third year, dan Quinn of course
Speaker 1: in his first year as the defensive coordinator, different types
Speaker 1: of pressure certainly, But Rob, if you had to put
Speaker 1: your finger on it and you had to select one
Speaker 1: of the two, who has more pressure to succeed heading
Speaker 1: into well, this upcoming offseason, this upcoming training camp, than
Speaker 1: preseason than the season. Who would you put it on
Speaker 1: dan Quinn? Easy? Easy, dan Quinn, And not that he's
Speaker 1: on the hot seat, but look, he's coming into a
Speaker 1: situation where, hey, this was the problem with the team
Speaker 1: last year. We're bringing you in because this has to
Speaker 1: get fixed if we're going to take it to the
Speaker 1: next level. So and he's here, by the way, because
Speaker 1: he's got a great track record, great resume, but he's
Speaker 1: coming in to a situation where he's got a Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: doesn't have to change his game, doesn't have to introduce
Speaker 1: his scheme to anybody. He's just got to fine tune things.
Speaker 1: And there are things that they've got to improve on offensively,
Speaker 1: no question about that. But dan Quinn starting from scratch
Speaker 1: in Dallas with a lot of young players and a
Speaker 1: lot to sort out in terms of lineup and get
Speaker 1: everybody on the same page in these OTAs in training camp.
Speaker 1: That's what didn't happen last year. So he's got to
Speaker 1: do that here. He so, Hi, I'm captain obvious obviously,
Speaker 1: you know dan Quinn for sure already comes in on
Speaker 1: the hot seat. He sees his predecessor done one and done,
Speaker 1: and he has to do something and he realizes the
Speaker 1: historically bad defense, YadA YadA, YadA, you got him, get
Speaker 1: right this ship right. But if you want to talk
Speaker 1: about someone that should be should feel a little bit
Speaker 1: of pressure, I would say it's Kelly Moore as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, even though the offense was middle of the road,
Speaker 1: fourteenth in the league, still he realizes, with all the
Speaker 1: built in excuses from offensive line to dak going down,
Speaker 1: that if he had all of his horses in the stable,
Speaker 1: that they would definitely I'm just gonna say, top ten,
Speaker 1: top five offense, and maybe that could have catapulted you
Speaker 1: to a playoff run. But yes, obviously it's dan Quinn
Speaker 1: because of all the things that he has to fix.
Speaker 1: But doesn't mean that Kellen Moore doesn't have a little
Speaker 1: bit of heat on his back pockets as well. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Isaiah answer first, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell Heck my wife, that's a coward answer or Isaiah,
Speaker 1: what do you think is it Dan dan Quinn or
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore in terms of the total pressure that's on them?
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. Unfortunately, I can't see my boys
Speaker 1: faces more. But I know Heck with probably gave him
Speaker 1: the what's not I know, I know him, but no
Speaker 1: the obvious I'm a double back on with my guy,
Speaker 1: heck said on the Captain Obvious. But for for three reasons,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn number one is coming in and he's expected
Speaker 1: to be fixed Felix right, So he's coming in from
Speaker 1: a historically bad defense. Not only does the historically bad
Speaker 1: defense coming in on his shoulders, but he also has
Speaker 1: a history of being successful. So people are expecting the
Speaker 1: legion of boom to be present now here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: They're expecting that that same type of energy, that same
Speaker 1: type of type of vibe. So that's the expectation of
Speaker 1: his history, both here in Dallas and also coming from
Speaker 1: Seattle in Atlanta. Number two, he has to come in
Speaker 1: and create a culture. Right there is there was no
Speaker 1: culture on that side of the ball, so he is
Speaker 1: going to be tasked with creating a culture. And then
Speaker 1: number three, he has to not only bring the guys
Speaker 1: that were ready on a roster, but he also is
Speaker 1: bringing some of his previous guys. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 1: let's ask the Ricky's in there. So the onboarding process
Speaker 1: and the stress of all that together obviously makes him
Speaker 1: the number one choices terms of who has the most
Speaker 1: stressful job coming in. So this is why I asked
Speaker 1: that question because I had a feeling that the easy
Speaker 1: answer was going to be dan Quinn, and I was
Speaker 1: hoping that Hackman would also go with dan Quinn. But
Speaker 1: he kind of went with both of them at the
Speaker 1: same time. But I didn't think it was a coward
Speaker 1: I said, you said it was. It was a little
Speaker 1: It was just kind of you said dan Quinn, but
Speaker 1: both basically is why I thought it was a coward answer.
Speaker 1: I wanted you to go one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Is it dan Quinn specifically? What did you say? I say,
Speaker 1: it sounds like Kyle trying to tell tell her to
Speaker 1: tell the people that you're playing it safe. Sir, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I was saying. I mean, to choose a side.
Speaker 1: I want you to be one certain. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's heat on both of them. What are you talking about.
Speaker 1: You go six and ten, you don't have the success
Speaker 1: that you want. Your offense is abysmal. Also with your defense,
Speaker 1: they get all of the heat on them because they're
Speaker 1: historically bad. But because of the quarterback carousel and your
Speaker 1: offense being dysfunctional. U just put them both in the pot.
Speaker 1: One person doesn't miss heat over another one. Kyle. Okay,
Speaker 1: so don't start no sh you won't be no I
Speaker 1: this morning. That's fair, Okay. So yes, Basically, the reason
Speaker 1: why I asked this question is because the easy answer
Speaker 1: is always going to be Dan Quinn, right. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it is. He's got the fixed Felix like like
Speaker 1: Isaiah said, he's got that mentality of having to come in.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if the legion of boom is
Speaker 1: the expectation. That's surely the goal. We would love for
Speaker 1: that to happen. I don't know if that's the expectation.
Speaker 1: I think the real answer is Kellen Moore here and
Speaker 1: the reason why. And I wanted you to kind of
Speaker 1: switch it up a little bit and you put out
Speaker 1: the number of fourteenth in the league. You can't do
Speaker 1: that again if you're Kellen Moore right, Nope, cannot do
Speaker 1: that again. If the team, if this defense is not
Speaker 1: necessarily the same as what it was in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: if it's a little bit better, then I think you're fine.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to go from thirty second or
Speaker 1: I guess twenty eighth is what it ultimately was. Defensively
Speaker 1: doesn't have to go from twenty eighth to third. It
Speaker 1: has to go from what twenty eighth or probably fifteenth, sixteen, seventeenth,
Speaker 1: so be a competitive team. That's because it's a multi
Speaker 1: year project. And that's my question is who has more
Speaker 1: pressure in twenty twenty one. Dan Quinn has a multi
Speaker 1: year project on his hand. Kellen Moore has been handed
Speaker 1: the keys to a ferrari where all of the all
Speaker 1: of the tools, all of the weapons are all there,
Speaker 1: they're all ready to roll. And if he doesn't succeed,
Speaker 1: I think it's more on the offensive coordinator than it
Speaker 1: is on the defensive coordinator. Asiah See, Kyle, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can get down with you now.
Speaker 1: I'm as as they said, and white man can jump.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you, but I don't know if I'm listening
Speaker 1: to you on that see. And the reason now that
Speaker 1: you're not you're Jimmy, But listen to Jimmy here. But
Speaker 1: you know the reason why would say that our defense
Speaker 1: doesn't a great movie. The reason why we say our
Speaker 1: defense doesn't need to make these huge strides is because
Speaker 1: of our expectation of greatness on our offense. That's the
Speaker 1: reason why we say our defense doesn't have to go
Speaker 1: from twenty eight up to the top ten. If we
Speaker 1: if our offense wasn't what it is already and our
Speaker 1: expectation wasn't is what it is already for for our offense,
Speaker 1: we would be saying, Okay, we need our defensive go
Speaker 1: from twenty eight to top ten. But we're not because
Speaker 1: we have an expectation of greatness on that side of
Speaker 1: the ball. And look, before Dak Prescott went down, even
Speaker 1: when Tyrn Smith out, they were averaging well over thirty
Speaker 1: points through five games. Yeah, sure, now is it perfect?
Speaker 1: It's not. Yeah, they had to And by the way,
Speaker 1: like that one in what was it where they one
Speaker 1: in four, two and three start two and two three
Speaker 1: almost one in four. Don't put that all on the
Speaker 1: defense because Zeke was fumbling the ball, Dak was fumbling
Speaker 1: the ball. There were some picks, there were some mistakes
Speaker 1: that were handing the ball back to the opponents and
Speaker 1: making things harder on the other on the defense here,
Speaker 1: but they showed they could pile up yards and points.
Speaker 1: They need to get off to better starts. They need
Speaker 1: to stay healthy, and they need to be better in
Speaker 1: the red zone. Red zone has been a problem for
Speaker 1: really as long as Kellen Moore has been here, and
Speaker 1: I know, you know, he kind of chuckles about it
Speaker 1: when he gets asked about it. Sometimes it's a situate.
Speaker 1: There's different reasons why it doesn't work. But I think
Speaker 1: they were twenty eighth in red zone efficiency last year's
Speaker 1: scoring touchdowns at like fifty percent. But who has more
Speaker 1: built in excuses? I mean for as far as guys
Speaker 1: going down for the defense, right, and so you look
Speaker 1: at the defense and you say, all right, well, dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: you got things that you have to fix wholesale, you know,
Speaker 1: for the offense, you get Dak back, you get your
Speaker 1: tackles back, you solidify the swing tackle position. You're cooking
Speaker 1: with Chrisco and so, you know, you talk about numbers
Speaker 1: we've last year going becoming into twenty twenty. All we
Speaker 1: were talking about is the numbers that Dak put in
Speaker 1: the previous season and why that didn't equate to a playoff.
Speaker 1: All right, So is it the good offense beats bad
Speaker 1: defense anytime? Good offense? Which one do you prefer? Good
Speaker 1: offense good defense? Which one is gonna win you championship.
Speaker 1: And I think in the NFL today everyone would side
Speaker 1: with a good offense, and I think we've shown that
Speaker 1: we have that, especially with the points in the yards
Speaker 1: that we've put up. See And that's kind of my
Speaker 1: point here is, Yes, the offense was to blame for
Speaker 1: the first five games prior to Dak going down, and
Speaker 1: then after that injuries kind of snowballed into the season.
Speaker 1: That was, but it had the numbers. This offense was there,
Speaker 1: and I mean I was questioning on the on the
Speaker 1: check at a moment Ago says, when has this offense
Speaker 1: ever been a ferrari? You just look around. I mean
Speaker 1: you have Dak Prescott, Isszko, Elliott, Amari Cooper, Cedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. That's good enough to be a Ferrari. And
Speaker 1: then if your offensive line is healthy, you can add
Speaker 1: to it. And so that's the nitrous to the Ferrari.
Speaker 1: I guess if we're gonna stick with the metaphor fast
Speaker 1: and furious, you have the right tools, well run movies. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you have the right tools. You need the right driver,
Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily convinced that through two seasons, Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore has shown Hey, I'm the guy that can make
Speaker 1: this thing go no matter what happens. Because once Dak
Speaker 1: went down, sure expectations change, but there was a lot
Speaker 1: of struggle on that side of the football for a
Speaker 1: long time, not only a struggle for numbers, but a
Speaker 1: struggle for creativity, a struggle for rhythm. Anything you needed
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore to find as the offensive coordinator wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: there and wasn't consistent. And so that's why I say
Speaker 1: the pressure is not on him. He's not safe by
Speaker 1: any means. Neither is Dan Quinn. We've already seen that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can replace after a year of a defensive
Speaker 1: coordinated right now, I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of these guys are going
Speaker 1: to go anywhere. I think they're safe. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're both very I think so, yeah, go ahead and there. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I was I was questioning the use of
Speaker 1: I know he has a huge vocabulary, but the words
Speaker 1: safe right there, I was kind of questioning it because
Speaker 1: both of these guys are locked in loaded for at
Speaker 1: least a couple of years. Then Quinn's obviously he can
Speaker 1: come in and do the he can have the worst
Speaker 1: defensive the league and he's still gonna be there. The
Speaker 1: following season you started looking at, you know, another side
Speaker 1: of the ball, and yeah, absolutely, we said that about
Speaker 1: last year. I'm pretty sure. No, no, no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: nobody ever said that Mike Nolan. Mike Nolan doesn't Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan was expected to come in and contribute and try
Speaker 1: to turn this thing around. But I don't think when
Speaker 1: you compare the expectation levels of Quinn and Nolan, I
Speaker 1: don't even think they're in the same ballpark. I just honestly,
Speaker 1: I really don't. Uh. And then you know, Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: him didn't bring his whole his whole defense with him either, seemingly.
Speaker 1: So I think that, you know the expectation of Quinn,
Speaker 1: I think they're both locked in. But Quinn has a
Speaker 1: lot on them and I don't disagree with you. Um
Speaker 1: you know in terms of in terms of an office
Speaker 1: side of the ball, that he has a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on him as well. But if you think about it,
Speaker 1: how many games have we had with an experienced Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: a healthy officer line and our full three wide receivers
Speaker 1: and Dak Prescott all healthy at the same time, hasn't
Speaker 1: happened yet. Yeah, it hasn't happened. We haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: So that's why I say that there's less pressure on
Speaker 1: that side because guess what, nobody. You could hand the
Speaker 1: ball off to either one of those guys and somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna shoot. You can hand it off to Lyo Collins
Speaker 1: and he gonna do something with the ball. Welst, we
Speaker 1: have a healthy, healthy offense. We're gonna be good. You
Speaker 1: remember when, uh in twenty sixteen, when yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: party out there, I say bumping. Do you remember in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen at training camp when Romo got hurt and
Speaker 1: there was a press conference and they were asking the
Speaker 1: Jones Is what to do now at quarterback? And would
Speaker 1: they would they be interested in Nick Foles possibly and
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore. Jerry had the famous line, we'd like more,
Speaker 1: we like more. Yeah, And it turned out they also
Speaker 1: like Dak Prescott because that's what happened. Yeah, Moore got
Speaker 1: hurt a few days later and they became the Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott Show and the rest is history. But they love
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. Now they don't done. They don't just like him.
Speaker 1: They'd love him. I think you talk about bright offensive
Speaker 1: minds around the league who's trying to find the next
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. They think he's got that type of ability.
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's going anywhere in terms of
Speaker 1: play calling, and proved it on January second of this
Speaker 1: year by extending his contract. Yes, you know, when all
Speaker 1: of the whispers and everything was going on about him
Speaker 1: possibly moving to being the Boys head coach, they said,
Speaker 1: I shut that down real quick. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: get this extension out because you know, because of what
Speaker 1: he's done in this offense. Look, guys, putting all of
Speaker 1: this together is what Kellen Moore is charged with. You know,
Speaker 1: let's get put this offense together and have the rhythm
Speaker 1: that we expect Last year. Man, let's just call it
Speaker 1: a one off. With having four different quarterbacks starting, it's
Speaker 1: really hard to get any continuity synergy between any any
Speaker 1: of your lineups that you put in. I think if
Speaker 1: we go back over the season, maybe the Pittsburgh game,
Speaker 1: a loss, was probably the first time that we saw
Speaker 1: the offense look anything similar to an NFL offense because look, man,
Speaker 1: with d Nucci, with a lot of the other guys
Speaker 1: that were in there. They just didn't have that rhythm.
Speaker 1: So the offseason right now OTAs this pair of month
Speaker 1: for the success for both of these That's a great point. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we really saw how they
Speaker 1: want to play with Kellen Moore Collen plays with this
Speaker 1: offense last year because they put themselves behind the eight
Speaker 1: ball with turnovers and they got off to your point,
Speaker 1: with rhythm, they need to get off the better starts offensively.
Speaker 1: That small sample size didn't get off to good starts,
Speaker 1: but they showed they could move the ball while Dak
Speaker 1: was in there. They just turned it over and then
Speaker 1: they become a past happy offense. Then when Dad gets hurt,
Speaker 1: they have to become more of a run you know,
Speaker 1: take the ball out of the air of the ball
Speaker 1: type offense run first. So I think there's more of
Speaker 1: a balance there that we haven't seen yet with this offense.
Speaker 1: And I'm with Heck and I'll make excuses for him.
Speaker 1: When you start eight different offensive line combinations, Isaiah, and
Speaker 1: like twelve different overall combinations within games, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you how you sustain anything offensively the last eleven
Speaker 1: games of the season. No, absolutely, I mean the expectation
Speaker 1: last year was I mean, you heard Missus Jones say
Speaker 1: it himself. You know the level of expectations has changed,
Speaker 1: right that that has moved now after Dak got hurt.
Speaker 1: But to your point in terms of Kella Moore, have
Speaker 1: we had the opportunity to really see what he wants
Speaker 1: to do with this offense? I say the answer is
Speaker 1: note because from the first game, Sho, we had guys
Speaker 1: going down, right, we had guys going down immediately, you
Speaker 1: know Jarwin going down, and you know it's like that
Speaker 1: changes everything. Now with the hick do we have in Schultz,
Speaker 1: let's figure it out, right, But we haven't had any
Speaker 1: games with an experienced CD Lamb, So a solid three
Speaker 1: three receivers out there would experience a healthy Jarwin right,
Speaker 1: and we got shots backing him up. Now all of
Speaker 1: our offensive line coming back and Dak coming back with
Speaker 1: a vengeance. I'm excited to see what these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna do. But I do not agree that he has
Speaker 1: the most pressure on him. And with all of that,
Speaker 1: you have a Namara Cooper that has eleven hundred yards receiving.
Speaker 1: You have an Ezekiel Elliott with all of his fumbles
Speaker 1: six yards seven yards away from going over a thousand Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb, that's right on the cuspoper of a thousand
Speaker 1: gallop all of the other guys that have contributed on
Speaker 1: this offense, even in the down years. So it's hard
Speaker 1: to say. Look, Kellen Moore has to give us more. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you feel as though with getting his weapons back or
Speaker 1: getting Dak Prescott back to navigate this offense, you gotta
Speaker 1: feel good about his job and what he's gonna do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still want more. That's my biggest thing is I
Speaker 1: want I want m O R E from m double
Speaker 1: o R. I want more from Kellen Moore. I want
Speaker 1: to see the creativity. I want to be able to
Speaker 1: rely on him as a play caller, as an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and say, hey, whenever things go wrong, don't worry,
Speaker 1: we got Kellen Moore. He's got this. He's a creative mind.
Speaker 1: I want that kind of confidence in my offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: and I don't have that right now. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's not a great young coordinator. I think he is.
Speaker 1: I think he does have tools to become Want that guy, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I want. You got that guy it Kello
Speaker 1: and a lot of cool stuff with the Nucci was
Speaker 1: doing Uncle Riko on the sideline within an inchies what
Speaker 1: he was doing, Oh my goodness. Yeah, where can they
Speaker 1: be more creative? You know? And that's tough because, like
Speaker 1: you said, we haven't seen a full fledge or a
Speaker 1: toolbox for Kellen Moore to get creative with it. And
Speaker 1: I think it's more so of going back to whenever
Speaker 1: he didn't have those tools, whenever he didn't have the tackles.
Speaker 1: How how do you find a way to make Brandon
Speaker 1: Night and Terrence Steals successful? And I think we saw
Speaker 1: a little bit of that maybe during the three game
Speaker 1: win streak right at the end. But once again, who
Speaker 1: were we beating? The Cowboys were beating They be a Wincinnati,
Speaker 1: they were beating Philadelphia. Yeah, you weren't beating those those
Speaker 1: big time teams. And then also creativity on the offensive
Speaker 1: scheming to stop a pass rush like Washington. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna win this division, you're gonna have to find a
Speaker 1: way to stop Washington's front seven, plain and simple. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find a way to stop them
Speaker 1: and slow them down from either getting your quarterback or
Speaker 1: getting to your running back who you've by the way,
Speaker 1: invested multiple millions of dollars in that backfield. So I
Speaker 1: just need to see the creativity from Kellen Moore whenever
Speaker 1: things go wrong, because anybody can be successful when everything's
Speaker 1: going right. I need to see it. Whatever everything hits
Speaker 1: the fan, and Kellen Moore has got to make some different,
Speaker 1: different decision. And the odds of having you're starting five
Speaker 1: upfront ready for all seventeen games, probably not gonna have
Speaker 1: probably not gonna happen, the odds against you. I love
Speaker 1: how you said sixteen in and switched over to seven.
Speaker 1: I can't do it either. I gotta do it at
Speaker 1: the same time. All right, when we come back, Yeah right,
Speaker 1: We've got some mail back Monday. On the other side
Speaker 1: of the break, Bradley and I is he going to
Speaker 1: see a little bit more hid here? Yeah? He is
Speaker 1: my guy, and I'm unfortunately probably gonna say no, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that. And the Cowboys sign a
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Speaker 1: shown it off in the tropical sun with those sunglasses
Speaker 1: you brought him today. Thank goodness isah for for bringing
Speaker 1: There's a party on the window. It's different. Hey, I
Speaker 1: would be out there. It was his shows over. He
Speaker 1: is talking to himself because he's and he's on the
Speaker 1: top floor. There's nobody out there. Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: He's at least thirteen stories above Brown. Yeah, he's doing
Speaker 1: believe that, doing great work out there, sticking with us.
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, Heck Maharrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: We've got mail back Monday coming up here in a
Speaker 1: couple of moments. But an update for Cowboys roster is
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do sign a wide receiver. There's been a
Speaker 1: lot of hubbub on social media about wide receivers coming
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys, potentially coming to the Cowboys on social media.
Speaker 1: But Johnny Dixon wide receiver who was with the Houston Texans.
Speaker 1: That was the wrong Jay, wrong Jay. We can't really
Speaker 1: talk about it. But Johnny Dixon five eleven receivers, two
Speaker 1: hundred pounds out of Ohio state. He was he was
Speaker 1: a tryout partner, one of the two guys to work
Speaker 1: alongside Brett Hunley last Friday, Rob, what do you know
Speaker 1: about Johnny Dixon as he comes in as a quick
Speaker 1: little camp signy. I know that he went to Ohio State.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all I know. Okay, Well, played at
Speaker 1: Ohio State, caught sixty seven career passes close to twelve
Speaker 1: hundred yards, had sixteen touchdowns when undrafted in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Spent time with the Cardinals and the Browns this spring
Speaker 1: before signing the deal in Dallas recently. So quick update.
Speaker 1: Not yeah, not the jay anybody's hoping for. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's fun. There's Johnny Dixon on his way though. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this mail bag Monday question. And of
Speaker 1: course you can go read the answers from Rob and
Speaker 1: the group on Dallas Cowboys dot com and see the
Speaker 1: entire mailbag article. But Bradley and I what you've been
Speaker 1: in your bag has articles? What I do you've been?
Speaker 1: That's that's a I'm sorry, that's a good reference to
Speaker 1: you have been on it? Brother? Thank you? All right?
Speaker 1: When you hear in your bag, that's what you think? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it. I can hear Jimmy. That was awesome,
Speaker 1: just just that interaction the day appreciate that goodness. I
Speaker 1: don't even know where to go from here. Is there
Speaker 1: a chance we may see Bradley and I anywhere but
Speaker 1: the bench this upcoming season. Seems like he was in
Speaker 1: high regard when he was drafted, but he never got
Speaker 1: any playing time. That was from Larry's shoemaker from which
Speaker 1: tall falls, Texas greatest place on God's Green Earth, Rob,
Speaker 1: you answered this question, so I'll let you start this off.
Speaker 1: Bradley and I now in a crowded room of edge rushers,
Speaker 1: where do you see him falling at? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough. I mean I think if you
Speaker 1: just look at his measurables and we talked, I mean,
Speaker 1: we've talked more about arm length than the last two
Speaker 1: weeks with football players and I ever have in my life.
Speaker 1: And that was like the big knock on him coming
Speaker 1: out like that in his forty time, or why he
Speaker 1: probably dropped to the fifth round, whether that's fair or not.
Speaker 1: So if you just look at his measurables, you think, well,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not a dan Quinn type of guy, but
Speaker 1: he's got a great motor, he's got good technique. He
Speaker 1: was very productive in college I'm surprised, guys, he didn't
Speaker 1: play last year. I don't really understand that, especially when
Speaker 1: things were going down the tubes in November, um and
Speaker 1: even December. So, but he's got competition. They signed Terrell
Speaker 1: Basham to kind of replace Alvin Smith and then you
Speaker 1: draft Chauncey Golston. You know that's a dan Quinn type
Speaker 1: of pick. So, uh, you know he's not he's not
Speaker 1: with the current regime. The drafted him, and that's always tough.
Speaker 1: But I tried to make it seem like a night
Speaker 1: has these t rex arms or something. Man. I mean
Speaker 1: I was starting that. Yeah, are you serious? Yeah? John Owning,
Speaker 1: uh Dallas More News. He does great works. That's what
Speaker 1: he wrote about him when he got drafted. He did right,
Speaker 1: little t rec I think I m him afterwards too. Well,
Speaker 1: that is that's hard. But I will say this, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as the competition in that room, I think
Speaker 1: you know, there are no dan Quinn guys it Can
Speaker 1: you make plays? Can you get to the ball. That's
Speaker 1: all he cares about. And look, I feel like as
Speaker 1: far as the measurables are concerned, all of these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna get a fair shot to plead their case
Speaker 1: for what they can do during season. A lot of
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down also two special teams. How many
Speaker 1: of these guys can get those special teams? Rep? If
Speaker 1: you can't, then that's gonna keep you from making the
Speaker 1: fifty three and actually getting on the field. So look,
Speaker 1: I don't look, there's a there's so much to be
Speaker 1: made of the measurables and who's a dan Quinn guy
Speaker 1: and who isn't I don't believe in that. The same
Speaker 1: thing with Francis Bernard in him being a shorter guy
Speaker 1: in the linebacker room, will he make an impact as
Speaker 1: well with the linebacker room being as crowded as it is.
Speaker 1: I think because his ability to get on the field
Speaker 1: and special teams, it makes him a viable option as well.
Speaker 1: That's fair, That's fair. Hi, Sam. There is a such
Speaker 1: thing as being a dan Quinn or any other coach guy.
Speaker 1: I'll throw that out there, but it really in terms
Speaker 1: of dan Quinn and me understanding who he is as
Speaker 1: a coach and as a person. You could become his
Speaker 1: guy if you come in, give one hundred percent effort
Speaker 1: and do exactly what your coach to do. It's real simple.
Speaker 1: Can you be somebody that he depends on, and can't
Speaker 1: he be somebody? Can you be somebody that he depends
Speaker 1: on to go one hundred percent every time every time
Speaker 1: you touch the field. Whether that's one play or whether
Speaker 1: that's a seventy plays a game, doesn't matter. He wants
Speaker 1: you to be dependable, and that's what he's looking for,
Speaker 1: high energy, dependable guys. But it's gonna be very difficult
Speaker 1: for Barely and I to make this team. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just call it is. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: I think all the guys in that position that set
Speaker 1: for the high end guys, the d Laws and of
Speaker 1: this world, they're all gonna be rotational players. I think
Speaker 1: this deep, this defensive line is gonna be a carouse sale.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be guys going in and out
Speaker 1: one play. You see a guy you know might be
Speaker 1: in for one play, might be in for two plays.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be too many guys they're
Speaker 1: out there for three plays, three straight downs, or you know,
Speaker 1: one series reason it comes back in another series to
Speaker 1: be the starter out there. So um, you know, to
Speaker 1: Heckman's point, special teams when you're a guy like him.
Speaker 1: What can you contribute on in that in that third
Speaker 1: of the game. So you guys got to think about it.
Speaker 1: There's there's offense, there's defense, and there's special teams. But
Speaker 1: special teams you got kickoff, kickoff, return, punt, punt return,
Speaker 1: field goal, field goal, buck, that's what you have, right,
Speaker 1: So you have six different areas that you can affect
Speaker 1: the game versus just a one on defense. So when everybody,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about special teams, people out there need
Speaker 1: to understand there's a there's in a in a big way.
Speaker 1: You can really earn your spot on his team. Don't
Speaker 1: forget about Dorm's armstrong too, and that yeah rotation because
Speaker 1: Jerry I was like a streak on the fan during
Speaker 1: the last season, like he would mention dorm So I'm
Speaker 1: strong every time and uh and to and to y'all's point,
Speaker 1: he's become kind of a favorite, I think at John
Speaker 1: Fossil on special teams. Yeah, so I think he's got
Speaker 1: a spot unless you know, something happens, but um, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. Sorry, sorry to break it to you,
Speaker 1: kay right now. And I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why Francis Bernard has a shot. It's still making
Speaker 1: the team even though he was undrafted last year and
Speaker 1: saw minimal playing time on defense. His impact on special
Speaker 1: team and he played a decent amount of special teams
Speaker 1: last year. One more thing on that though, because I'm
Speaker 1: with Isaiah, like I do think coaches have their guys right,
Speaker 1: and not to say that you can't become a dan
Speaker 1: Quinn guy, but I'm curious, like a like a Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: You know, all we've been talking about is big, long,
Speaker 1: rangy corners. That's what dan Quinn wants. That's what Chris
Speaker 1: Rochard wanted when he was here. So is that how's
Speaker 1: that going to affect a Jordan Lewis Because he's a
Speaker 1: he's a competitive, edgy type player. That's what they need
Speaker 1: on defense and talk about culture, but he doesn't fit
Speaker 1: that mold. So like it's it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 1: What's what's his role gonna be? I think he's gonna play,
Speaker 1: but but he doesn't fit the measurable side of it.
Speaker 1: You know, you talked about the competitiveness, the edginess, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what this team to need. When you
Speaker 1: when Isaiah talks about dan Quinn and his responsibility of
Speaker 1: building culture. I think you have to build it with
Speaker 1: guys like that. That's why your draft class is comprised
Speaker 1: of guys that have that competitive edginess to them. And
Speaker 1: we know Jordan Lewis is that. So you sign a
Speaker 1: guy like him to, you know, renegotiate, he gets a
Speaker 1: new deal because of what he brings to the table.
Speaker 1: I don't see him as a carryover sort of a
Speaker 1: guy on defense. I think, you know what he can
Speaker 1: give you from the slot, but I don't see I
Speaker 1: don't think Jordan Lewis sees himself as a slot corner.
Speaker 1: I think he sees himself as one of the top dogs,
Speaker 1: a guy that can play on the outside as well.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's that's why OTAs is so important,
Speaker 1: just to allow these guys to compete and give their
Speaker 1: case for where they're going to be in the fall.
Speaker 1: And going back to Bradley and I I'm looking at
Speaker 1: some of his draft stuff. I mean, he had shorter
Speaker 1: arms than the defensive tackle class that the Cowboys brought
Speaker 1: in last year and this year, and he's an addresser,
Speaker 1: so I mean it's not necessarily t Rex arms, but
Speaker 1: thirty two in an eighth is what he was measured
Speaker 1: at at the combine last year, and I mean that's
Speaker 1: shorter than every defensive lineman pretty much on the roster
Speaker 1: right now. I mean as as a guy that has
Speaker 1: looked at maybe we'll go for it. Isaiah I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I mean, I know a lot's made up
Speaker 1: the arm length, and that's always great to have if
Speaker 1: you have it. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: deepensive ends you're looking for explosiveness. You're either looking for
Speaker 1: extreme size in power or you're just looking for explosiveness, right,
Speaker 1: So if you if you lack both, that's when you're
Speaker 1: in a kind of a pickle. Right. So we obviously
Speaker 1: know that Bradley and I is not the largest man
Speaker 1: in the world, I mean in terms for his position.
Speaker 1: So that's that's against him right now. You have to
Speaker 1: look at the explosiveness. Well, we've seen him on film
Speaker 1: get off the ball, but when we classify him as explosive,
Speaker 1: So those are the things that he needed to work
Speaker 1: on over this past season and hopefully this offseason they
Speaker 1: put him in a better position to compete. Because if
Speaker 1: you don't have the side and you're just you're just
Speaker 1: a guy. And I mean and he can't be in
Speaker 1: in in that category. He can't be and he maybe
Speaker 1: will be one of those super benefited players from having
Speaker 1: a full off season. Finally, because last year, you think
Speaker 1: about the rookie class didn't have that offseason. We can
Speaker 1: kind of harp on that as much as we want.
Speaker 1: At some point it becomes a little bit of an excuse.
Speaker 1: But for a guy like Bradley and I who needed
Speaker 1: the reps, who needed to show exactly what he had
Speaker 1: because of his explosiveness and the lack of measurables, He's
Speaker 1: a guy I think could benefit from things like OTAs
Speaker 1: and and things like that this upcoming season. If he's
Speaker 1: not gonna make the roster, I think it'll be one
Speaker 1: of those final cuts. He's gonna play through the whole preseason.
Speaker 1: He'll be there for quite some time. I think there's
Speaker 1: a chance he does. But man, bringing in guys like
Speaker 1: Chauncey Golston and Toorell Basham and of course Door, it's
Speaker 1: Armstrong already being there, Randy Gregory and his emergence, it's
Speaker 1: gonna make things really tough. I mean, that was already
Speaker 1: what I just named. Five guys outside of Bradley and
Speaker 1: I and then yeah, I mean you've got You've got
Speaker 1: six guys there as edge rushers, and usually you only
Speaker 1: what carry six or seven. So he's on that borderline
Speaker 1: of making a team. Want him to make the team
Speaker 1: because I want to see what he's got. But that's
Speaker 1: something else to look for here this offseason. So we
Speaker 1: also didn't get to hit on this last week because
Speaker 1: we were so wrapped up in no rookie mining camp
Speaker 1: in the excitement finally seeing a little bit of football.
Speaker 1: But the NFL schedule is released, and for those who
Speaker 1: listen to our show exclusively, we haven't actually got to
Speaker 1: talk about the schedule. We didn't a whole lot. We
Speaker 1: have the official dates now of the preseason games. It
Speaker 1: starts off with Pittsburgh in Canton, Ohio, a makeup, as
Speaker 1: I should say, of the Hall of Fame game that
Speaker 1: was August fifth. It was scheduled for August sixth of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, but now we will play it on August
Speaker 1: fifth this year. That's gonna be a fun one. Heck,
Speaker 1: Steelers Cowboys to kick off the twenty twenty one season,
Speaker 1: hopefully in front of stand fans in the stands up
Speaker 1: in Canton, man if it's anything like the NBA. The
Speaker 1: NBA is rocking right now with fans in the stands,
Speaker 1: So I can't wait. I was watching yesterday the Nicks
Speaker 1: in the guard Gee yeah, man, I mean they were
Speaker 1: rocking in You see the difference that having fans in
Speaker 1: the stands mate for the overall vibe and output in
Speaker 1: a basketball game. So I'm excited to see stands back
Speaker 1: in the in the fans in the stands again. But
Speaker 1: you know, this team is actually getting ready. These guys
Speaker 1: are getting ready for a season, right. I mean, what
Speaker 1: you do with the Bradley and Knives and guys like that,
Speaker 1: what are you doing against TV twelve on Thursday night?
Speaker 1: That's that's what you gotta get ready for. And so
Speaker 1: much of this is going to surround finding your playmakers,
Speaker 1: getting your guys Tampa Bay, the Chargers, the Eagles, the Panthers,
Speaker 1: the Giants. I mean, this is what you're building your
Speaker 1: team for, and it starts right now. So whether guys
Speaker 1: like Bradley or n I are finally make the fifty
Speaker 1: three and contribute, it's going to be because they are
Speaker 1: making plays in the preseason, and there's there is a
Speaker 1: look at our top five games if you're watching this podcast,
Speaker 1: but we'll run it down Tampa Bay Thursday Night Football
Speaker 1: to kick off the season week two. I think that's
Speaker 1: a sneaky, sneaky game, and we're gonna have a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations about that Chargers game week two because because
Speaker 1: of Week one being as volatile as it is on
Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football against the defending champions, I think that
Speaker 1: Week two game against the Chargers is going to be
Speaker 1: a pivot point coming up here in the next couple
Speaker 1: of months of talk. How do you feel about that
Speaker 1: first game when you saw it? What did you say?
Speaker 1: I know what Isaiah said, but what did you guys
Speaker 1: say when you saw that? The first thing I said was, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: ratings are They're not a problem with the Cowboys after all.
Speaker 1: You remember that whole thing, and in December like, oh
Speaker 1: they got flex. Nobody wants to watch the Cowboys anymore.
Speaker 1: Please please give me Dak Prescott back on the field,
Speaker 1: and they want to watch them. Um. Yeah, But do
Speaker 1: I feel great about that? The first team in what
Speaker 1: the salary cap era to return all twenty two starters
Speaker 1: on a Super Bowl team. That's that's not great, Bob.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't love that. I don't love that,
Speaker 1: but but you know, I thought Mickey made a good point.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're Mike McCarthy, you do love it
Speaker 1: because you're pointing towards the champs Week one, prime time.
Speaker 1: Gotta be ready, guys. So I think in that regard
Speaker 1: it's good. But that I'm with you on the week too,
Speaker 1: being sneaky because by all means they can, they can
Speaker 1: beat Tampa Bay. But if you were to drop that
Speaker 1: game and you're staring O and two in the face
Speaker 1: going cross country the other way again, I just go
Speaker 1: back to twenty eleven when the Cowboys were oh and
Speaker 1: one going to San Francisco, and they knew what it
Speaker 1: means if you dropped Oen two. That's why Romo played
Speaker 1: with a punctured lung, It's why Witten's ribs were busted up,
Speaker 1: and they found a way to win that game. So
Speaker 1: that's there's a lot of weird stuff on this schedule. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely is. And if if you lose Week one,
Speaker 1: you're expected to lose Week one, right, you're playing up
Speaker 1: against the defending from a national standpoint, let's not I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't put on a helmet, so I can
Speaker 1: say whatever I want. I don't put on a star.
Speaker 1: I don't put on a helmet, and thank goodness, so
Speaker 1: I'm a national standpoint. You're expected to lose week one.
Speaker 1: Week two, you're expected to turn around and win that game.
Speaker 1: But that's not necessarily an easy win by any means
Speaker 1: with Justin Herbert, with an upstarting Chargers team Week two,
Speaker 1: like Rob said, on the road on the West Coast,
Speaker 1: that's a different type of game Week two. And if
Speaker 1: you drop the O and two, my goodness, I think
Speaker 1: you're in a little bit of trouble, even though you
Speaker 1: do return home for three games right after that. And
Speaker 1: I will stand on that because the Cowboys could win
Speaker 1: that game. Sure they could win Week one. That would
Speaker 1: be outstanding. We would party in here if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: come out with a Week one win. Isaiah stand back,
Speaker 1: say something, stacks Mouth. I'm trying to look at me.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys will lose Week one. I'm predicting it right now.
Speaker 1: It's going to happen. It's the defending chap. I'm not
Speaker 1: going out on a limb here. It's fine. I am
Speaker 1: not gonna make fast statement right now. But what I
Speaker 1: will make the statement I will make is the reason
Speaker 1: why the Week one matchup is good for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is the same reason good boys, and that's the amount
Speaker 1: of time that you have to prepare for your opponent.
Speaker 1: You have the most time to prepare for your Week
Speaker 1: one opponent. That's just facts. Even when you take in
Speaker 1: the bye weeks, right, you have three four weeks to
Speaker 1: prepare for your first for your first game, and your
Speaker 1: coaches even started prepared before that. So but for that reason,
Speaker 1: you know, those guys would be prepared for that, for
Speaker 1: that for that defense. They know they have all the
Speaker 1: last year's film to look at because all those guys
Speaker 1: are coming back. But for those same reasons, TV twelve
Speaker 1: has that same amount of time to prepare for your
Speaker 1: guys for your defense. You know, fans out there and
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Quinn Quinn has some film that they
Speaker 1: can go back and watch. But the personnel and how
Speaker 1: he plans on utilizing it, you know, gives the Cowboys
Speaker 1: a little bit of an edge, gives him a little
Speaker 1: bit of an advantage over TV twelve because for the
Speaker 1: first half they're gonna be trying to figure us out
Speaker 1: versus we're gonna already know what they're doing right for
Speaker 1: the most part. They always have their tweaks, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, they're going to settle into who they
Speaker 1: are versus versus the Cowboys. They don't know what the
Speaker 1: heck we're bringing, at least in all three fasces of
Speaker 1: the game. So I'll say that week two matchup dangerous,
Speaker 1: Week three matchup dangerous. Uh, that first three weeks is strong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put it out there, that first three
Speaker 1: weeks is strong. And I know people people are gonna say, oh,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is easy. Rivalry games aren't easy. Rivalry games. Rivalry
Speaker 1: games against you know, Jalen a confident Jalen hurts, and
Speaker 1: and everybody else that there that they're adding over there
Speaker 1: is dangerous. So these first yeah, in prime time. So this,
Speaker 1: this first three weeks is a it's a doozy. Look.
Speaker 1: I gotta say this. You know, when when the schedule
Speaker 1: dropped in Cowboy fans automatically conceded the first game. It
Speaker 1: absolutely makes me sick. No, it does. It makes me sick,
Speaker 1: and the reason makes you sick. No, that's that's my boy.
Speaker 1: I love them to death. If people think we don't
Speaker 1: like each other, but I actually of him. But I
Speaker 1: think that, Yeah, here's the thing. So here's here's what
Speaker 1: I feel for Cowboy fans that are just dropping the
Speaker 1: first game to Tampa Bay. Look, the the number one
Speaker 1: basketball team in the nation is in New York and
Speaker 1: they are called the Hollom Globe Trotters, right, the Hollom
Speaker 1: Globe Trotters. Everywhere they go, they win their games, right,
Speaker 1: But they bring a team to play against with them,
Speaker 1: and it's called the Washington Generals. And right now what
Speaker 1: you're calling the Dallas Cowboys is the Washington Generals. That
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go out there and wash them, raise
Speaker 1: the banner and lose into me. That's Nutlesten Gutlass whoa, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: just like that speech. Hey, I'm with you. I honestly
Speaker 1: think I think the Cowboys are healthy Cowboys. Let me
Speaker 1: let me, let me let me leave healthy Cowboys. Team
Speaker 1: matches are against Tampa Bay. They j had it right.
Speaker 1: J G had it right? Is it is? It is?
Speaker 1: I mean they've got I mean we're talking about when
Speaker 1: you talk about teams, Yeah, you have a when you
Speaker 1: have a healthy Dallas Cowboys, which we should be week one,
Speaker 1: hopefully barring injuries in the preseason or camp. A healthy
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys team matches up very well against Tampa, especially
Speaker 1: under these circumstances in terms of them not knowing what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Now, it's all depending on what Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn shows in the preseason and all that jazz. He's
Speaker 1: a he's a he's a veteran coach, so he knows
Speaker 1: what not to show. But how they plan to utilize
Speaker 1: their guys Tampa basics gonna have to try to figure
Speaker 1: it out. Figure that out for the first half of
Speaker 1: the game, right, So it's gonna be how who can
Speaker 1: withstand the ups and downs, the ebbs and flows of
Speaker 1: the game the longest, and obviously we know TV twelve
Speaker 1: is capable, but it's it's a lot. It's gonna be emotional.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be emotional game, especially with DA coming back,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay raising a banner, is gonna be a lot.
Speaker 1: Who is the most stout team when it comes to
Speaker 1: emotions and being able to play through the ebbs and flows.
Speaker 1: I do like the point that Rob made and Isaiah
Speaker 1: added on to it as well, But talking about how
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy through this entire offseason and Mike Keck might
Speaker 1: even said a little bit earlier, you're not playing for Pittsburgh, Arizona, Houston, Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: You're playing for Tampa Bay. And every time you step
Speaker 1: out on that practice field, Mike McCarthy's gonna remind them that, hey,
Speaker 1: the champs are waiting for you, the defending champs who
Speaker 1: have the target on their back. The Cowboys are usually
Speaker 1: the team franchise wide that has had their target on
Speaker 1: their back, but now they get to be the hunter.
Speaker 1: And I like that a lot, and I think that's
Speaker 1: a great mindset to have this team ready to roll
Speaker 1: going into week one, rather than trying to find a
Speaker 1: rhythm in week six, seven, or eight in the middle
Speaker 1: of what is a tough stretch of schedule into the season.
Speaker 1: Real quick, just I mentioned some weird stuff on the schedule.
Speaker 1: It's the first time since twenty twelve they start a
Speaker 1: season with two straight road games, only the third time
Speaker 1: since twenty twelve they'll start and finish the season on
Speaker 1: the road. Which and then you go into December January,
Speaker 1: it's four of six away from AT and T Stadium.
Speaker 1: You got three straight road games in there. You also
Speaker 1: have three straight home games. It's just there's a lot
Speaker 1: of weird stuff on paper that you're like, man, this
Speaker 1: is this is kind of challenging. But it just comes
Speaker 1: down to like, if they're better this year and they're healthy,
Speaker 1: they're better on defense, they're just a better football team.
Speaker 1: None of that stuff matters because you you know, you
Speaker 1: we talk Tampa Bay. Any of these games, they're good
Speaker 1: enough to compete with anybody healthy. I believe that on paper.
Speaker 1: That's I agree with you. The most. The most cifling
Speaker 1: thing that I see on this schedule is where our
Speaker 1: buy weeks, where where our away games are at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is the thing that really stands out the most
Speaker 1: of me. It's not just the opponents that we're facing.
Speaker 1: It's where you're facing these opponents at. You have to
Speaker 1: play at Tampa, you have to play in in La,
Speaker 1: you gotta play in New England, you gotta play in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. These are not easy plays. And then
Speaker 1: freaking throw freaking Saint the Saints on their God Lee.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are the most when you think about
Speaker 1: the most the most difficult places to play in the NFL,
Speaker 1: these are the teams that you talk about, These are
Speaker 1: the cities that you talk about. So these guys in
Speaker 1: the accapolic gut. They got to figure it out now. Obviously,
Speaker 1: obviously we have a long way to go, but just atmosphere,
Speaker 1: in environment alone, those are some of the most difficult
Speaker 1: places to play in the NFL. Yeah, it's a big
Speaker 1: part of the conversation, and I think we'll have plenty
Speaker 1: of that conversation throughout the year. But when we come back,
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Speaker 1: in first go Rob Phillips, heck my Harrison, Isaiah standback?
Speaker 1: Who is remote today? Sir? Yeah, my goodness, I'm Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's in OTAs start today, Rob, What are the week
Speaker 1: What do the weeks ahead look like for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: Because they're on the field today, it would be inside
Speaker 1: inside the Ford Center, but I mean a lot of practice,
Speaker 1: a lot of lead in here in the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Yeah, So they've got six OTAs scheduled over
Speaker 1: the next three weeks, including what three this week or
Speaker 1: maybe is it too? That's two this week too, this
Speaker 1: week too, next week to the week after, followed by
Speaker 1: the mandatory mini camp with everybody June eighth through the tenth.
Speaker 1: And you know, coaches can have up to ten OTAs
Speaker 1: on their schedule. They've only got six, and I think
Speaker 1: they still have the option to add more, but I
Speaker 1: think it probably comes down to the fact of it's
Speaker 1: a longer camp coming up, longer preseason, and this is
Speaker 1: a way hopefully they get all their work in Isaiah
Speaker 1: and then give them a nice break till We don't
Speaker 1: know the exact dates for training camp, but usually if
Speaker 1: it's if you subtract two weeks from that August fifth
Speaker 1: opener in Canton, they're going to camp pretty early. So
Speaker 1: that's why they've only got six. A little different by
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy either. So Isaiah, just from a player's standpoint,
Speaker 1: how much of a difference would that make taking four
Speaker 1: practices out of the equation. I mean, it may not
Speaker 1: end up being four full practices. It could end up
Speaker 1: being just three or two that they don't end up
Speaker 1: using because, like Rob said, they can still add on
Speaker 1: some more OTAs. But how much of a difference does
Speaker 1: that make, especially when the preseason is on the horizon.
Speaker 1: It's huge. It's huge, at least from the player's standpoint.
Speaker 1: Can you start talking about adding that Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: preseason game in there that adds onto your schedule. Imagine
Speaker 1: if you're on the roster. Maybe imagine if you're like
Speaker 1: one of the on the edge guys right called, you know,
Speaker 1: like somebody like myself some of the years I was
Speaker 1: playing on the edge guy, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they throw an extra game on your on your preseason schedule.
Speaker 1: So now you're playing not only your seventeen regular season games,
Speaker 1: but you're playing all those preseason games. Oh and then
Speaker 1: you factor in another five weeks of camp or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. It's a lot, man. Any opportunity to coaches
Speaker 1: have to minimize your ability to get injured. I think
Speaker 1: it's a smart move on in behalf of the coaches.
Speaker 1: They obviously have to get their work in, they have
Speaker 1: to get their installed in, they need to get their continuity.
Speaker 1: All these things need to take place. However, whenever you
Speaker 1: can ease the players minds in terms of their physical
Speaker 1: well being and their mental well being, I think it's
Speaker 1: a plus for not only the individual, but also the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you started to see the mentality change with head coaches
Speaker 1: and organizations just not grinding their guys in the off season.
Speaker 1: I think you talked about how offseason OTAs used to
Speaker 1: be much different. You and Isaiah were having a conversation
Speaker 1: about that. These used to be full paths and guys
Speaker 1: going at it and rookie camp too, and you practices
Speaker 1: in the heat for rookie camp and guys thrown up
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah. Animal, So I mean, so, like Isaiah says,
Speaker 1: that's some guy that's gonna play all twenty two of
Speaker 1: these games preseason and regular season and god hoping you know,
Speaker 1: playoff run as well. But you know, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of football games to be played. And I know that
Speaker 1: we're all football teams were getting into the analytics of it,
Speaker 1: to keep guys healthy. And I just think that's just
Speaker 1: another part of it from this organization, just to say, look,
Speaker 1: I know we can have ten, let's pull back and
Speaker 1: just have six. What are some of the goals rob
Speaker 1: of this team throughout OTAs to try and find footing
Speaker 1: into what will be a longer training camp besides health
Speaker 1: and you guys just hit on that. You just don't
Speaker 1: want to get anybody hurt. Shaun Lee Tearings ACL in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen and was the first mini camp or OTA.
Speaker 1: Just stay healthy. That's why you're gonna see guys coming
Speaker 1: off of major injuries probably be scaled back. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how much Dak does um and
Speaker 1: other guys too, Blake Jarwin the tackles, Lyle and Tying,
Speaker 1: guys like that. But aside from just you know, making
Speaker 1: sure guys stay healthy and ready for training camp, just
Speaker 1: the installation part of it, you know, just having you know,
Speaker 1: getting a lot of the install done so by the
Speaker 1: time you get a training camp, it's basically in and
Speaker 1: you're just fine tuning things and and there are some
Speaker 1: competitive parts of the of the OTAs, but that's not
Speaker 1: as important as when you get to camp and the
Speaker 1: pads come on. Isaiah, No, I mean I think Rogers
Speaker 1: hit on it. I mean it's more so than anything
Speaker 1: OTAs and coaches. The first of all, the coaches. Coaches
Speaker 1: are coaches, right. They want to coach. They want to
Speaker 1: be on the field. They don't want to be in
Speaker 1: a classroom. They want to see their guys, right. They's
Speaker 1: imagine you have all these I think we've talked about
Speaker 1: in the past. You have all this, all these toys
Speaker 1: that you got for Christmas, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you just want to you just want to put them
Speaker 1: on the table and start playing around with them, right,
Speaker 1: And that's what these coaches want to do. They want
Speaker 1: to put their guys together that you know, you know
Speaker 1: coach Quinn all to talk about him. Trust me, he's
Speaker 1: one of the most energetic guys on his whole in
Speaker 1: his whole entire organization aside from Fossil, Right. He wants
Speaker 1: to get out there and run around with his guys.
Speaker 1: He wants to put his guys in position for them
Speaker 1: to be successful. Okay, this is what our idea as
Speaker 1: a whole defense thinks about where you can play. But hey,
Speaker 1: what if I take you and I put you out here,
Speaker 1: or I'll put you down here on the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Rather what does that look like? Right? And Hey, they
Speaker 1: just want to go out here and just mess around
Speaker 1: with different schemes so that when they get to camp,
Speaker 1: it's no longer experimentation, right, They're simply just plugging and
Speaker 1: playing where they know that you can handle. And everything
Speaker 1: that Isaiah said is are things that you couldn't do
Speaker 1: in a virtual setting, right, You could do that in
Speaker 1: a virtual setting, and so as an evaluator you want
Speaker 1: to be hands on. And so having this opportunity to
Speaker 1: have an ota, to be able to plug and play
Speaker 1: and put guys in different sets in your scheme to
Speaker 1: see how they operate is definitely what Quinn wants to do.
Speaker 1: I'm sure what Kellen Moore wants to do, knowing that
Speaker 1: he'll have a full season with CD and DAK and
Speaker 1: also with Jarwin who went down the first the first
Speaker 1: game of the season. But you're right, the health is
Speaker 1: it's all about that, and if they can have learned
Speaker 1: anything from implementation from the virtual part, I think that
Speaker 1: would make it easier for them to send guys home
Speaker 1: with certain things get homework out so you can see,
Speaker 1: you know, how much of these guys are actually retaining
Speaker 1: what they're learning in a classroom setting. And so you know,
Speaker 1: this is just a new this a new NFL man
Speaker 1: where things are virtual and teams are having to just
Speaker 1: kind of dance around the idea of not having to
Speaker 1: put your hands on guys even you know, look, COVID
Speaker 1: still is here, so with it. You know, I think
Speaker 1: those are some of the precautions that they're having to
Speaker 1: way through. Gosh, that makes me so excited thinking about
Speaker 1: the different combinations that these coaches will get to work
Speaker 1: around with. Yeah, that they didn't last year. That, I mean,
Speaker 1: that just gets me. That makes me so much happier
Speaker 1: to have these things in person as opposed to being virtual.
Speaker 1: And plus, I mean, we've already seen like you you
Speaker 1: said about playing the toys, or I guess Isaiah said
Speaker 1: about playing with your toys and want of kind makes
Speaker 1: a match and put it all together. We saw the
Speaker 1: opening of the first President that was rookie mini camp,
Speaker 1: and that was seeing the rookies out on the field
Speaker 1: and hey, where could this guy go? Where is Michael
Speaker 1: Parson's going to play in this defense? Where is oh,
Speaker 1: Diggi Zoola going to play on the defensive line. There's
Speaker 1: so many different ways that you could play around with it,
Speaker 1: and then guess what you get to adam in with
Speaker 1: the veterans. Yeah, and that's something that they didn't get
Speaker 1: to do last year, which I think is going to
Speaker 1: benefit dan Quinn. It's going to benefit this entire defense
Speaker 1: and especially on the offensive side of the football, just
Speaker 1: getting those guys back. So that brings me back to
Speaker 1: this question. Rob. You mentioned the offensive tackles and how
Speaker 1: intrigued you are to see what their workload's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: do you have any kind of expectation as to what
Speaker 1: kind of work they'll see. I just know from history
Speaker 1: and the way they have plans for guys who had
Speaker 1: season ending injuries the year before. Isaiah knows this well.
Speaker 1: I mean they the staff points to training camp. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're just I'm very curious, you know. I know. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy was asked specifically about Dak recently and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, he'll do most things. What is most things?
Speaker 1: I mean, is he going to take a bunch of
Speaker 1: team raps or is he just kind of kind of
Speaker 1: continue his rehab plan and maybe do some individual stuff
Speaker 1: and get out there a little bit and get ready
Speaker 1: for oxen art. If we're going to dox and artificially
Speaker 1: and worry about that, that's kind of what I would
Speaker 1: anticipate for guys that we just talked about. Is not
Speaker 1: a full go type thing. Let's wait till we get
Speaker 1: to late July. Whatever it is. Yeah, No, I don't
Speaker 1: want any mishaps of boo boos with that ankle. So
Speaker 1: you know, sit over there on the on the golf
Speaker 1: cart if you can, you know, and you know they
Speaker 1: won't do that. But still, I mean for all of
Speaker 1: these guys, it's just pivotal, and especially at Tyrn Smith,
Speaker 1: I mean limiting him with the neck and making sure
Speaker 1: that he gets back lay l with the hip. That's important.
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw how those guys being down, how
Speaker 1: it affects us. But as far as my expectation for
Speaker 1: the guys in OTAs, I just want to see this
Speaker 1: linebacker group. I want to see how these guys operate together.
Speaker 1: Obviously we won't see anything. Maybe we'll see something with
Speaker 1: scheme and how they're used. Who's gonna be the mike
Speaker 1: and who's going to be at the will because I
Speaker 1: think it's very ironic how this whole thing with Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons has been flipped to be a Micah versus Jalen
Speaker 1: instead of Micah and Jalen, you know, how they both
Speaker 1: can be used together in concert to make this defense
Speaker 1: better jal Or Jerry mentioned he said compatible, compatible with
Speaker 1: the rookie camp when he was asked that very question.
Speaker 1: So in Jerry's mind, they could be playing together because
Speaker 1: Parsons Swiss Army Knights kind of thing. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, is zah. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: guys already hit on it, you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: the guys getting through this thing healthy. In terms of
Speaker 1: expectations of guys that are coming off of season ending injuries,
Speaker 1: I don't foresee them doing many team drills, And so
Speaker 1: when you hear them kind of be broad in their statements,
Speaker 1: are referring to others do most things well most things,
Speaker 1: and OTA's happen to be, you know, on with just
Speaker 1: your offensive team, just special teams doing you know, doing
Speaker 1: the coverage drills, or defense doing things by themselves. Very
Speaker 1: very very seldom do you come together, I mean go
Speaker 1: against each other competitively. And when they do those things.
Speaker 1: You will not see that in there. When they do
Speaker 1: those things, what they're getting hands on and getting a
Speaker 1: little bit down and dirty, you will not see Lyle.
Speaker 1: You will not see any of those guys out there.
Speaker 1: So trust to believe that these this training staff is
Speaker 1: gonna do everything possible to get these guys at training camp.
Speaker 1: It's inevitable whenever injuries do occur. You can't prevent everything,
Speaker 1: but you control what you can control. In terms of
Speaker 1: what I'm excited to see, I'm excited to see, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see these young guys come in and
Speaker 1: get plugged in. You know what's Dan Quinn gonna do?
Speaker 1: How was you know, Kelly more gonna facilitate this offense
Speaker 1: with all his resources that he has at his hands
Speaker 1: now his disposal, And what is coach Fossil gonna do?
Speaker 1: You know where these guys gonna get in and fit
Speaker 1: in that on the specialties because that's such an important
Speaker 1: portion of this game. So many people throw it to
Speaker 1: the wayside. But you have two high energy coaches now
Speaker 1: and Fossil and Quinn that are gonna feed off each other.
Speaker 1: How's it all gonna piece up together? So I'm excited man.
Speaker 1: Health is the number one priority, versatility from the coaching
Speaker 1: staffs to kind of put put your players in the
Speaker 1: right position to be successful. That's kind of the theme
Speaker 1: going into OTAs, which do begin today at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. But that's gonna do it for us here
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. So glad you've been with us here
Speaker 1: over the last hour. Hope you learned something. Hope you
Speaker 1: had a little bit of fun with us along the way.
Speaker 1: For Isaiah Stanback, who is living his best life right now.
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