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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steeler Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network here on a Monday as we have got

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Speaker 2: so much to get to over the next two hours.

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Speaker 2: West Shouler, Matt Williamson, Matt, we have got a divisional

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Speaker 2: round craziness to discuss. Yeah, we've got some Steelers head

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Speaker 2: coaching search News. Got some other jobs that have been

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Speaker 2: filled and opened up across the National Football League since Friday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a busy weekend in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: We got a college football National Championship game.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yah. We definitely got p rereview

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Speaker 3: that too. Happy Mlkday to everybody, right, Yes, absolutely, they

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Speaker 3: didn't give us a day off. Apparently they didn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean I almost had a I had a tonton

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Speaker 2: here into into to work today because it's snowing and

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Speaker 2: squalling and sleeting, looking like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker

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Speaker 2: out here trying to make it through. Was it? Hof right?

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Speaker 2: I see, I'm a Lord of the Rings guy, but

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Speaker 2: I got my Star Wars.

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Speaker 3: You can cut one of those, open the lightsaber and

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Speaker 3: keep you warm.

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Speaker 2: Well, we might have to today, although there's nobody else.

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Speaker 2: I thought.

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Speaker 3: I felt like the fluid in my eyes walking from

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Speaker 3: the car to here was freezing, like crystallizing.

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Speaker 2: I opened the wind was just like, as we've shared before,

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Speaker 2: our building, our studios are up on top of a hill,

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Speaker 2: so the wind is always whipping. And I opened the

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Speaker 2: door of my car, and I thought the door was

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Speaker 2: going to just bust off the edges and go fly,

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Speaker 2: and like it was like.

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Speaker 3: Who you know, they always complained that this building was

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Speaker 3: built wrong too, like the door should be you know,

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Speaker 3: like you walk like right next to the building the

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Speaker 3: whole way, and then like the wind comes stronger and stronger.

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Speaker 2: It's like a yeah, we could have food gayzied this

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Speaker 2: thing a little bit better whenever it was being built.

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Speaker 2: But that's above our pay grade. We have got plenty

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Speaker 2: of disgust week.

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Speaker 3: Do I think it's colder tomorrow? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's supposed to be single degree temperatures, which is

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Speaker 2: going to be brutal this week. It'll be a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun next weekend though, looking good for Pond Hockey.

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Speaker 3: Next weekend fun.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're supposed to get next weekend. We're

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Speaker 2: supposed to get like a foot of snow Saturday night

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Speaker 2: into Sunday. But it's January in western Pennsylvania and we

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Speaker 2: have got a million things happening. Uh here on MLK Day, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: pulled into the parking lot, I was like, there's nobody here.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a holiday, you know, one of those days

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Speaker 2: where we're we're in here and everyone else is, uh

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Speaker 2: is working from home or doing nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm sitting in my lazy boy on my laptop,

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Speaker 3: just you know, doing doing work stuff. And my daughter

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Speaker 3: comes strolling down and I'm like, why aren't you at school?

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Speaker 2: You play you're playing hockey here? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Matt?

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Speaker 2: A lot of moving and shaking around the National Football

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Speaker 2: League that we have to get to, but we'll start.

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Speaker 2: Let's start Steelers stuff first here. Okay, Yeah, we as

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Speaker 2: we typically like to do a couple updates, uh, some

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Speaker 2: second round interviews and some new names since we last

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Speaker 2: talked on Friday. Okay, the new name being former Packers coach,

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Speaker 2: former Cowboys coach. Pittsburgh native Super Bowl champion Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 2: was interviewed by the Steelers this weekend. According to the reports,

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Speaker 2: came out. Let's see, well, I guess the reports came out.

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Speaker 2: It was Friday or Saturday, and it sounds like that

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Speaker 2: has already transpired, perhaps yesterday with McCarthy and the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: so that and if not, if it wasn't yesterday, it'll

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Speaker 3: Or tomorrow your future already happen.

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Speaker 2: So that's really the newest name that's been added. Some

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Speaker 2: of these candidates that we already discussed last week, they've

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Speaker 2: gotten second interviews and things like that, like we expected

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Speaker 3: And we'll talk about that because the teams that were

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Speaker 2: It's zoo half an hour zoom, something like that as

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Speaker 3: The ice Yeah, speed dating as we were talking.

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Speaker 2: About, exactly right. And then from that you go okay, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: Do you want to start with McCarthy and then we'll

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Speaker 3: get into those names.

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Speaker 2: I think we should start with McCarthy because that's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's not like the others. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: if you go look at his career like winning percentage,

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Speaker 3: and you mentioned that he's won a super Bowl and

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Speaker 3: he's had a much more successful career than people want

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Speaker 3: really know why. He's really not far off in terms

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Speaker 3: forth on is that the style of coach you want

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Speaker 3: But there also is a McCarthy Rogers connection too. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Rogers is gonna be back or not,

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Speaker 3: but Adam Schefter, I don't think we're gonna get to

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Speaker 3: that or not. But Adam Schefter reported that I'm in

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Speaker 3: a lot of the Steelers exit interviews they were really

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Speaker 3: want McCarthy, want Rogers back, which doesn't shock me at

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Speaker 3: all from a player standpoint.

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Speaker 2: No, right, no, absolutely not. And I think it was

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Speaker 2: I think it was Jerry Dulac who kind of reported

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Speaker 2: that they're not going to make any personnel decisions Aaron

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Speaker 3: But if it, the only thing I could see them

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, Sure. For McCarthy sixty two years old, as

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Speaker 2: won one hundred and seventy four regular season games, eleven

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Speaker 2: never been head coaches before. Obviously there's the Aaron Rodgers factor.

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Speaker 2: And then I just this was interesting to me because

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Speaker 2: Then that's my thought process, says Okay, what's the reason

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Speaker 2: and you know after a year off when he was

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Speaker 2: don't want to say the Steelers are doing him a favor,

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Speaker 2: but you get what I mean, right. You know, he's close,

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Speaker 2: he's close by, We're familiar with him. Let's let's talk

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Speaker 2: with him, Let's see what he thinks about us, and

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Speaker 3: And they always bring pick kids in for draft interviews. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, might as well, right, or is it they

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Speaker 2: look at him as the potential Maybe if you want

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Speaker 2: procuring and developing our next franchise quarterback is really goal

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Speaker 2: number one, a guy like this is worth a really

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Speaker 2: has more of my goodness to see you have a

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Speaker 2: where it was kind of like a light bulb of like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: up getting a second interview, all those things.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, all right, but it stands out.

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Speaker 2: It stands out one because it's such an outlier. And two,

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Speaker 2: I think because specifically it feels like a little bit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and clear, he would not be your head coach

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Speaker 2: You know, I think you'd be shocked. Tom.

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Speaker 3: Now. I think there's a I agree with everything you said,

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Speaker 3: and I would have said the exact same way. But

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Speaker 3: the other angles of looking at it are we think

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Speaker 3: either way. One division, you know, a change, Let's keep

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Speaker 3: another draft class. That doesn't mean you still wouldn't try

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Speaker 3: to infuse some youngsters. And that still doesn't mean you're

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Speaker 3: doing the exact same things guys. You know, Oh the

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Speaker 3: still coach everything much differently. But I also wonder, if

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Speaker 3: of we're really enamored with one of the defensive young

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Speaker 3: by assistant coach money. You're basically in charge of the offense,

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Speaker 3: but you're also like the senior assistant guy. I'd get that.

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Speaker 2: I would totally get there, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he's Shula, or if someone that's never

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Speaker 3: the two of these guys too. A lot of these

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Speaker 3: coaches know each other more. People think, tell me, if

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Speaker 3: same agent, you know whatever, and new coach can bounce

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Speaker 3: stuff off you. What do you think about that? I'd

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Speaker 3: be open to it. You know, it's a stable organization.

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Speaker 3: I know other teams have talked to them. But would

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Speaker 3: you rather do that role or try to rebuild the Browns?

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Speaker 2: You know, like and at his age, maybe the answer

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Speaker 2: is I'd rather do that role.

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Speaker 3: That's what I mean. Yeah, right, it's a little less stress.

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Speaker 2: A little less stress, a little less spotlight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't go to the podium after a tough lot.

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Speaker 2: I'll be in my hometown, around my family and all

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Speaker 2: those things. It's a good way for me to kind

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Speaker 3: It's better than trying to get the Cardinals to beat

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Speaker 3: in the division, you know.

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Speaker 2: And if I come in here and I help this

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Speaker 2: develop their next quarterback, I'm gonna be remembered pretty fondly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: right right right, Like that'd be a nice kind of

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Speaker 2: way out the door. Yeah, of my career, it's not

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Speaker 2: a bad gig. I mean, you look at it. His

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Speaker 3: I Mean, I've said a lot that there's not as

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 2: Another quiet weekend across the National Football League has left

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Speaker 2: Kidding obviously, as we have still got a million things

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Speaker 2: and of course, plenty of discussion about a couple of

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Speaker 3: Beach, Okay, And now we don't know that for sure.

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Speaker 3: So if I don't know much to add to that conversation,

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Speaker 2: Yes they are, Yeah, yes they are. And that those

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Speaker 2: As Dale Lawley would always say, people are allowed to

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Speaker 3: And there's something that eliminated yesterday. I mean, would they

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Speaker 2: But that's kind of what we know here right now, Matt.

437
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 2: A lot of moving and shaking. I mean, I think

438
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 2: the biggest domino here as we get into a kind

439
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: of zoomed out entire league focus is Sean McDermott being

440
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: fired this morning in wake of the Bills loss to

441
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: the Broncos. With that, also, Kevin Stefanski has put pen

442
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: to paper and is the Atlanta Falcons next head coach Harbaugh,

443
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: which we talked about Friday, but there was some delay there.

444
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 2: That has also officially become official with Harbaugh going.

445
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 3: To the Giants.

446
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 2: So Stefanski to atl Harbaugh to the Giants, and now

447
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: the Buffalo job comes open.

448
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've kind of talked Harbor to death, but I

449
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 3: think that's a really good get for them. I think

450
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 3: that really puts out.

451
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, though, you think there's any

452
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: regret in his mind of like, oh man, I want

453
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,239
Speaker 2: to mind it. I want to mind it. Stefanski too,

454
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind an interviewing for that job. And Josh

455
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: Allen and brand new zillion dollar stadium they're moving into

456
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: next year.

457
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 3: I think it's now the best job. I would put

458
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 3: it ahead of the Raven. He's going to ask, right point, Yeah,

459
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: I mean, or hey, Tomlins was thinking about sitting out

460
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 3: the year. But what a Buffalo calls, you know? I mean,

461
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: so it's a super appealing job.

462
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that, because I think it's super appealing

463
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons, Josh Allen number one, number one,

464
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: and just I mean, you win every year for the

465
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 2: last six years, They've probably been the second best football

466
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: team in the world.

467
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: I would say that. I mean if you.

468
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 2: Look at their wins, their losses, their playoff wins. Yeah, Matt,

469
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: I saw a crazy stat that over the last six years.

470
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: This is something I saw and I thought of you.

471
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: I saw this this morning. Some Bills reporter put this together.

472
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 2: Over the last six years, the Bills have a point

473
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: differential of plus nine hundred and six. Okay, their point

474
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: differential over the last six years is plus nine hundred

475
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: and six. No one else in the NFL is even

476
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: plus six hundred.

477
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: Wow, that doesn't rise like the Chiefs.

478
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: Or the net and they're like plus five ninety something.

479
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: Right, But the Bills one hundred years pretty good.

480
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: Their point differential over the last six or seven years,

481
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: whatever it was is, is more than three hundred better

482
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: than the next closest team. Like they the Bills right.

483
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: Now always like first or second.

484
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: They are the definition of the greatest to never do it,

485
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

486
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 3: Right? And they were when they.

487
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: Went and they were with Jim Kelly Smith and Darryl

488
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: Tally and all those guys too, So.

489
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: They're always the top of league and like turnover differentially, yeah,

490
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 3: and always the top of league and point differential.

491
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: So I do think it's clearly number one right now,

492
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: but I think there's some real things working against it

493
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 2: as well. Okay, one, it is a you have to

494
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 2: go right there and win right now. This is you know,

495
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: this is not a there's no warming up to it.

496
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 2: It's like, if you don't get to a super Bowl

497
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: in three years, you're probably That's.

498
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: Why I think they would want a Tomlin type or

499
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: a Hardball or the best coaches today agreeing to completely.

500
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: You do though, that defense needs a significant overhaul, yea.

501
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: The skill the receivers are bad, the wide receivers are

502
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: and what they're playing with, yes, terrible, terrible.

503
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: I don't love their decision to retain Brandon Bean, not

504
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: just retain him, but that's where I was gonna go

505
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: him president. I thought there might Okay, that happened today too,

506
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: he got a promotion.

507
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 3: Actually, that's so I don't agree with that move.

508
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: I I don't think I'm.

509
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: In big for a lot of things, going back to

510
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: like von Miller trade. Yeah, and you know, things like that,

511
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: none of which have been enough. And frankly, I think

512
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: the GMing has hurt the Bills more than.

513
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: The coaching completely agree, yes, completely.

514
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: The wide receiver stuff since Diggs has been bad. Interesting. Okay,

515
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: so he is.

516
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: He will he will lead the He's promoted to president

517
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: of football operations and will lead the search for a

518
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: new coach.

519
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not as as appealing because I have to

520
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: work for him basically or with him.

521
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: And then the final part of what would give me pause?

522
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: Buffalo And Okay, I made this joke in the past.

523
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've made it to you yet

524
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: in the what five or six months that you and

525
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: I have been doing a show together every day. The

526
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: politician thing. Do as I say, not as I do. Yeah, right,

527
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm about to I'm about to be Wesley politician here.

528
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: All right, I'm about to be I'm about to be

529
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: Wesley governor, Wesley president here. Do as I say, not

530
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: as I do. Last week, I told you I laughed

531
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: when people like in Pittsburgh and Baltimore bicker, like Pittsburgh

532
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: such a better place to live, Baltimore is such a

533
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: better place to live. Cleveland's the worst place to live,

534
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 2: Who the heck would want to live in Cincinnati?

535
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

536
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Like that kind of bickering that people do, like unless

537
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: you live in Key West or San Diego, Like I

538
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: don't want to hear it, Okay, but man, I don't

539
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: know about living in Buffalo.

540
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, fan base is unbelievably great.

541
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, and you are moving into a new palace, a

542
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: new state of the ark, gorgeous stadium, and you've got

543
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: Josh allllen taker. But if it's a tie breaker, and

544
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: do I want to live in South Beach?

545
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 3: Do have families and wives? And she wouldn't live there?

546
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: You know? Do I want to live in Baltimore or

547
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh or do I want to live in Buffalo? As

548
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: much as I just last week said, I laugh when

549
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: people like you think these guys care they're getting paid

550
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty million dollars like they.

551
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: And probably most don't. I'll coach Josh Allen on the

552
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: North Pole.

553
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: But at that point, if I'm one of these coaches

554
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: and I've got three or four options and some others

555
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: that have really good quarterback situations too, and I just

556
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: Buffalo is a little bit of a little bit different

557
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a different city.

558
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

559
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: Also living would be lower, your money would go further there.

560
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: But I'm not I'm one of these guys. I'm not like, oh,

561
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: that city's a dump. Oh that city's a dump.

562
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 3: Sure.

563
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: I think pretty much everywhere you go you can find

564
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: something fun to do, you can find good.

565
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: Food, Greape, suburbs, and all of them.

566
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: But Buffalo is probably my least favorite NFL city that

567
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: we go to.

568
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: You if you didn't do this for a living, you

569
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 3: said you to live in one of these thirty two cities,

570
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: that would be your last choice.

571
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Off the top of my head, Yeah, I mean I'd

572
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: have to think about it, but yes, yeah, and especially

573
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: especially if you took out like cost of living. Yeah, yeah,

574
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: you know to like, yeah money, my money goes a

575
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: lot farther in Buffalo than does in southern California. But sure,

576
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: there's there's it's not even close.

577
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: Wake.

578
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: Yes, Green Bay might be a decent one. That's a

579
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: because it's just such a small town and.

580
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: Everything I can see where that's not for people.

581
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: But I and again I'm like, I I don't want

582
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: to make it seem like I'm dumping on Buffalo because

583
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: I really don't mind it as a city, but it's

584
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: not that it's not the nicest place to call them.

585
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can I can see.

586
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: So it's a pretty good job. There's there's I don't

587
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: think they.

588
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: Have a lot off season resources though, either draft picks

589
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: and caps base.

590
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: They don't. They don't. They're kind of in cat purgatory

591
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: that they're still trying to recover from the last couple

592
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: of years and some of those big von Miller type contractions.

593
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, getting there.

594
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: And so they're.

595
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: Crazy though, by the way, and this is probably true

596
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: for the Loop Miskick. If they rule that Brandon Cooks

597
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: catch not catch, we're definitely not having in this conversation

598
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: today and maybe not ever.

599
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: Maybe not ever. I mean, if they if they make

600
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: it to an AFC Championship game, I think there's a

601
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: real good chance that McDermott's safe if they would have

602
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: gone on, you know, say in an alternate universe, they're

603
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: playing New England this week coming weekend. Yeah, yeah, and

604
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: you know they beat the Patriots, but they lose the

605
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: Super Bowl to the Rams or the Seahawks. I'm sure

606
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: McDermott would probably be.

607
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: Saying, yeah, when Harbadley got left go if he if

608
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: he makes that kick in week eighteen.

609
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 2: Well, Basadi Bisadi Bashadi Biscotti kind of kind of made

610
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: it seem like he remember his comment. He was like

611
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: for another.

612
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: Week he was right, as I say, until until he

613
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: lost the wildcard round.

614
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 2: So that Buffalo becomes insanely intriguing to me because I

615
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: think they've got better pros that they've got. They've got

616
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: more attractive assets than the Steelers and the Ravens, but

617
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: they've got also, I think, bigger concerns, bigger cons They've

618
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: got more pros and more cons I think than Pittsburgh

619
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: and Baltimore. In kind of that, how do you rank

620
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: the open jobs?

621
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: The Steelers in on this, but if you take the

622
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: quarterbacks out of those three jobs, oh it's the Steelers.

623
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: Well I would say that the Bills might have the

624
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: worst roster. Yes, non quarterbacks. Their line is great, right,

625
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: but that's about it. But the defense needs a lot

626
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: a ton, yeah.

627
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: A ton. And again they don't have great resources and

628
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: capital to work with. They're gonna be picking twenty fifth

629
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: and they don't have an overabundance of salary cap space.

630
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: And that's another thing too, Like it's a little bit

631
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: harder to get free agents to go to Buffalo, yeah,

632
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: than it is to Dallas or San Francisco or you know.

633
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: So that's that. The Buffalo one's a very very interesting

634
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: one to me because I think their pros are better

635
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: than most. But i'd rather I would too.

636
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet I bet for the for the duration

637
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: of their career. I bet he holds up better long.

638
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: But I would trust the Baltimore organization more than I

639
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: would trust the Buffalo organization.

640
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with Beans still being the guy making the

641
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: choices and building the roster and buying the groceries.

642
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: And again, I know, I say, I don't care about

643
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: this stuff, all right, but I'd rather live in Baltimore

644
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: than I would say. I'm just saying, but it's very

645
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: it becomes it becomes very interesting. Now, so let's let's continue. Well,

646
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: let's close down the first hour kind of final coaching

647
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: conversation here.

648
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to mention the Stefanski stuff too.

649
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about Stefanski. I want to talk.

650
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: I guess neither of us gave our thought on if

651
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: we think it's the right decision to move on from McDermott.

652
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: So let's let's cross some t's and dot some eyes

653
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: in this coaching Carousel.

654
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: UH.

655
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: To kind of close down the first hour, and then

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Speaker 2: we return, we'll recap all these games, and we'll focus

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Speaker 2: uh in the final segment of today on the college

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Speaker 2: football playoff later tonight. All right, cool, plenty to get

659
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Speaker 2: to as we continue to roll around here and try

660
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Speaker 2: and uh and dissect a crazy forty eight hours across

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Speaker 2: the National Football League. Well Shuler, Matt Williamson, It is

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Speaker 2: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: You were tunes about Drive on your twenty four to

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Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Closing down the first hour of the Drive here on

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Speaker 2: a snowy Monday in western Pennsylvania. National championship game in

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Speaker 2: college football is tonight. We'll talk about that in hour

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Speaker 2: number two, along with all of the wild results results results,

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Speaker 2: easy for me to say, results results around the National

670
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Speaker 2: Football League on Saturday and Sunday. But Matt, a couple

671
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Speaker 2: more questions for you here as we kind of wrap

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Speaker 2: up the Coaching Carousel hour. On the first hour of

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Speaker 2: the program. Sean McDermott out in Buffalo, Right, call.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean I think it's almost an

675
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: exact parallel to Harbaugh, although harbor a little more success

676
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: on a little bit better resume. But still it's one

677
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: of those situations where you have a phenomenal, phenomenal quarterback

678
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Speaker 3: and you haven't quite brought us to the promise, and

679
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: let's see if someone else can. I mean, Okay, unlike

680
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: Harbad though, I do think, you know, McDermott is considered

681
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: a much better schemer on his side of the ball defensive,

682
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: you know, defensive obviously, that he will bring more to

683
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: the table from that perspective. But I guess I get it.

684
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: You would think if you're the Bills ownership, you know,

685
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: we could we should have picked the litter. You know

686
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: that we're not gonna you know, we could probably get

687
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: pretty much whoever we want. That's kind of appealing, I

688
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: really think, though, And it's not exactly what you ask,

689
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: but it's like the success that like Chicago and Jacksonville

690
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: and New England had directly after making a change, I

691
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: think has a lot of the reason we got to

692
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: ten this year, which is the most I can ever remember.

693
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I think scary to move away from

694
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Speaker 3: my guys.

695
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: It used to be you know, I think pretty much.

696
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these decisions, some of them

697
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: it was obviously time, you know. I think in Arizona

698
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: it was obviously time.

699
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

700
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess for Vegas you could make the argument

701
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: it was only one year of Pete Carroll, the worst

702
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: in the league, the worst team in the league.

703
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: You know.

704
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: For the Giants, it was probably time. I mean yeah, like, and.

705
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: They may change halfway through the season anyway, but for

706
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: for like, the Miami was on the fence, yes, for.

707
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Speaker 2: The Miamis of the world, for the Atlantas of the world,

708
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Baltimore's of the world. Yeah, and I think now the

709
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: Buffalo's too. They look at it and think, I look, everyone

710
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: else is getting a new coach that's working out really well,

711
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: let's let's let's go do it. And there's always some

712
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: truth to that, but it can certainly go the other

713
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: way too.

714
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of hires that didn't work out either.

715
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right, right, Pete Carroll, Aaron Glennon, and

716
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: the Jets is already going to be on the hot

717
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: seat heading into year two. Uh yeah, I mean McDermott,

718
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: he goes was it three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

719
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: nine years in Buffalo made the playoffs all of those

720
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: years except for one, but just the one AFC championship

721
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: No part of me. Two AFC Championship game appearances. Yes,

722
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: because they did two years ago, and then they did

723
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: back in the COVID year of twenty twenty eight and

724
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Speaker 2: eight in the playoffs, ninety eight and fifty in the

725
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: regular season. Of course, they did win the division five

726
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: straight years before this past year when New England won

727
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: it once again. It's a tough one, a tough one, right,

728
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: But I I give him a ton of credit because

729
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: when he took that job over, I mean, they hadn't

730
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Speaker 2: made the playoffs or won the division in as thirty.

731
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Speaker 2: I mean, they were the Jets, they were dolfhed, they

732
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: were the Panthers. They were one of these perennial, you know,

733
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel teams, didn't have a quarterback, hadn't

734
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: made the playoffs in decades, hadn't won the division in decades.

735
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Speaker 3: Them going to the playoffs was like Carolina go in

736
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: the playoffs this year, Like wow, that that is not

737
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Speaker 3: that good a team, And he stomma sneaked them into

738
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Speaker 3: the They went.

739
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Speaker 2: Nine and seven that first year, they got the help

740
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Speaker 2: from the Bengals. Remember that the Bengals that like fourth down,

741
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: fifty yard touchdown against Baltimore. That that put that put

742
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Speaker 2: the Buffalo into the playoffs. And then they took a

743
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Speaker 2: step back the next year and went six and ten.

744
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: But then they got Josh Allen. They were off and running.

745
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: They won at least ten games every year for seven

746
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: straight years.

747
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: Are very quick to forget Josh Allen was terrible as

748
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: a rookie and not very good in the second year either.

749
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: I mean, he was a big time project. He was

750
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: a wild stallion.

751
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: Yes he was a lot of people thought that guy

752
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: will never get accurate and it'll never work, it'll never

753
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: work in the National Football League. And he had a

754
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: ton of turnovers in there too. But yeah, I'm not

755
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: adamant that it's the right decision or the wrong decision,

756
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: but I certainly understand the timing of it for Buffalo.

757
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: It's like we've been knocking on the door. We can't

758
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: we can't kick it down. We're still kind of right

759
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: in this era. We've got time.

760
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: I think it's based understands. I mean, it gets frustrating

761
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 3: when the same results happen every year unless it's one result,

762
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: if it's a Chief all where you end up hoist

763
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: in the Lombardy Man. We should win one more game

764
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: a year, you know, I mean, the Steeler fans, we

765
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: should win one at least win a playoff game a year.

766
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: Bills and Ravens, we should be in the super Bowl

767
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: every year. Like not all these things can be true, right,

768
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 3: and Mahomes is still out there too, you know.

769
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Speaker 2: And that's that. That's kind of my biggest thing though,

770
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: is you know, if they would have lost to the

771
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: Chiefs again like they did in twenty twenty one, twenty three,

772
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: twenty four, like okay, but it's like this really felt

773
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: like your opportunity and they have met. They've won at

774
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: least one playoff game every year since twenty twenty. I mean,

775
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: that's that's impressive. It is it is. He's eight since

776
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: his first two playoff appearances where they were won and done,

777
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: he's and that.

778
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 3: Was a very good team. Him getting them there is absolutelycess.

779
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: I don't totally with you on that. Since his first

780
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: two playoff appearances when they went one and done against

781
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: the Jags in seventeen and the Texans in nineteen, he's

782
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: won to play at least a playoff game every year.

783
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 2: He's eight and six. Yeah, since twenty twenty in the

784
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: play But it's good. But what's funny too is at

785
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: the same time, while I know they've been to two

786
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: AFC Championship games in that run, it also really hasn't

787
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: felt like they've been close, Like you get what I'm saying, Like,

788
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: at least for the Bengals for a couple of years

789
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: it felt like they were really close and they made

790
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: it to a bowl, like I don't know, for Buffalo,

791
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: it's always been like you're the bridesmaid. It's always kind

792
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: of felt like they've been the bridesmaid.

793
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear that, you know, like where the Ravens,

794
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: there's some stints where it's like that might be best

795
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: team in the league. M I mean, and they've also been

796
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: too Allen dependent, which is also a GM thing you

797
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: laid out like that. Though he wins a playoff game

798
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: every year, I mean, it's pretty darn good. But is

799
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: that the ceiling? You know? The goal here is the

800
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 3: Holy Cy Lombardy? Yes, is that the ceiling?

801
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: You know? And I do think there's a lot of

802
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: coaches in every sport that can kind of get you

803
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: to this level, but not to the the ultimate championship. Yeah,

804
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: and then it goes one of two ways. You bringing

805
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: the guy who can great, or you bring in the

806
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: guy and you take a step back and you're like,

807
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: oh man, we you know, we wanted to have our

808
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 2: cake and eat it too, you know, And we'll see.

809
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: For Buffalo, it's a big, big decision for them, big

810
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: big crossroads moment for that franchise certainly is so let

811
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: me ask you this.

812
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: Ironically, they get eliminated in Allen's worst playoff game of

813
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: his life too.

814
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: You know, that's your was the only reason we can

815
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: talk about this a little bit more or two when

816
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: we talk about the games. But of all their playoff failures,

817
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: that's probably the one I put on McDermot at least

818
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: at least right, Josh Allen was really bad and they

819
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: had a couple of calls I thought that absolutely were

820
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: the wrong ones that went against.

821
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: Him, and his defense played okay, you know, I mean

822
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: it wasn't great, but it wasn't the reason they lost.

823
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: And you know, right, but you might be right. It

824
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: might be Terry Pagoula looking around and going, look, now,

825
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, like a lot of these teams are hiring

826
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: new coaches having success right away and mess even Seattle

827
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: just hired their coach not that long ago, and look

828
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: where they're at. It's going to be very interesting to follow,

829
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: to follow that, and just kind of now, Steelers, Ravens, Bills,

830
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: all needing, you know, teams that have either been in

831
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: the playoffs and won their division this year or like

832
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: Baltimore that's been really close and really good for a

833
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: long time. Ten open jobs in total, two of which

834
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: have been filled. There's eight now. Once again, my final

835
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: question for you, Matt, would you be interested in Sean

836
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 2: McDermot and Pittsburgh. Would he be a guy that you'd

837
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: want to see them interviews? Because that's where it really

838
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: comes back for me because TV and I were having

839
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: this conversation before Nate got in here, before you got

840
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: in here today. TV and I were talking about this

841
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, I think sitting on that fence

842
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: of like, was Buffalo right? Was Buffalo wrong? If you're

843
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: going to tell me right now that Sean McDermott is

844
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: the next Steelers head coach, I wouldn't be upset. I

845
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like mashing my head off the table. What

846
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: are they doing? But I don't think i'd be overly

847
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: infatuated or excited too. And I'm kind of like, okay,

848
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: so maybe in that light it's the right decision by Buffalo.

849
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be like throwing

850
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: my hands in the air, what are they doing? If

851
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 2: they McDermott. But he would he would not be one

852
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: or two on my list at this.

853
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 3: Point, right, I mean, like, this isn't if we were

854
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 3: sitting here doing Cardinals Raiders Nation radio. Oh yeah, heck yeah.

855
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: I want him every day of the week.

856
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: You see what he did. I hadn't been to the

857
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 2: playoffs in decades and he took him there every year.

858
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: Right, But it is kind of more of the same,

859
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of level of coaches, And I

860
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: think everyone wants to see door number two and a

861
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: different and is that the right move or not? These

862
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: are hard decisions, and it's really a hard decision whenever

863
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: they narrow it down to the two or three that

864
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: they want too. I mean, I guess you definitely I

865
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: would say talk to him, And what's a harm in

866
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: that some of these guys are interviewing so many teams?

867
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: But would he be high on my list. I don't think, yeah,

868
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think. I think i'd shy away

869
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 3: from that, but I would understand it. That's I'm really

870
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 3: unofence about it too.

871
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: You think that is is that is that power ranking

872
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: number one of the vacancies? Now, is it still Baltimore?

873
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: I think so.

874
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: NFL dot Com has Baltimore is one A, Buffalo is

875
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: one B and then the Steelers third.

876
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: So Seers will be third behind those two just because

877
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: they have great quarterbacks.

878
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: And their reasoning is basically that the Buffalo Bills are

879
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: projected to be over the salary cap you know already.

880
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, they just have less to work.

881
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: With, maybe somewhat less to work with.

882
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: The I was gonna say, I could go back and

883
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: forth on Ravens versus Bills. I mean, the divisions aren't

884
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: that much different. May is scary, Burrows scary, But you know,

885
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: you get to play the Browns twice, you get to

886
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: play the Jets twice, you know. I mean that's nice too,

887
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: you know, pretty equal.

888
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: I guess I'd.

889
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: Prefer Baltimore, but I would prefer Allan over Jackson.

890
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: I think I agree with that. I think that's a

891
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: good way to put it. I think when you put

892
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: down all their pros and their cons and everything on paper,

893
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: I would give the slight edge to Baltimore. Yeah, but

894
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: I would I would definitely rather have Josh Allen than

895
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. I know, Josh Allen just played one of

896
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: the worst games of his career in the worst possible moment. Yeah,

897
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: I think if I could have, if I could have

898
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: any player in the league, it would be Alan or Mahomes.

899
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, that hasn't changed in two days.

900
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: That hasn't That hasn't changed. And then I think the

901
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: Steelers are clearly close. Like the Steelers are in that

902
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: conversation as opposed to the Browns, Dolphins, cardos Y territory. Yes,

903
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: unless we've talked about. The only other thing that I

904
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: would kind of take is if you are like in

905
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: love with cam Ward or you're in love with Mandoza

906
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: and you want to argue it just from that standpoint, Yeah.

907
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: That's appealing. That's definitely appealing Atlanta to put like middle

908
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: of the road. Same Yeah, better than the Browns Arizona

909
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: for sure.

910
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 2: And if you missed it, Stefanski has been officially hired

911
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: by the Atlanta Falcons, you can take them off the list,

912
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: and then we obviously for them. Agree.

913
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: I think that's a perfect fit. That's exactly where you

914
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: should have been aiming. If he can deal with all

915
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: the jama in Cleveland and win Coach of the Year awards,

916
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: he should be able to bump them from where they were.

917
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: If you're looking for someone to like, Okay, let's really

918
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: find out if what we have in Penix and if

919
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: this can work. I think he's good in that regard.

920
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: And then, like you meant, like Bijon and Drake London

921
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: and those guys, he'll find a way to use them. Well,

922
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: they certainly could. They were almost there this year. Hour

923
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: in the books, another hour to go. Let's recap a

924
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: crazy divisional weekend across the NFL, some wild time capsule

925
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: type games, and then of course we will give a

926
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: few thoughts and previews for tonight's National Championship game between

927
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 2: Indiana and Miami. I have been texting with Jacob Breck today.

928
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: He is alive, Oh and ready to go.

929
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

930
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: He's up in He's up in New York City tonight

931
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: with his fate, with his like sister and some of

932
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: his buddies that are IU people that live up there.

933
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 3: So nice. Well, I get a good buddy that's an

934
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: IU grad has gone to each game. Really, he said,

935
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: it's in the environment down there.

936
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: Is incredible and it's got to be amazing.

937
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: Side note, my daughter got accepted from him. I you

938
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: two days ago, maybe tonight, right and over the top.

939
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: He was like, they're good at football here. I'm like,

940
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: they are not always, but they are right now.

941
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: They certainly are right now. In fact, we'll get to this.

942
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: Like they had never had a ten win season in

943
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: program history. I heard that until last year. Yeah, yeah,

944
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: and now they're in the National bleeping Championship game fourteen

945
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: and oh is a chance to truly have one of

946
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: the great seasons for a program. If they win tonight,

947
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: they're right the fifteen and oh big ten champions I've.

948
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 3: Heard people saying they're like Burrows LSU team.

949
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, except in Burrows LSU team only had to win

950
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: two playoff games, you know what I mean, Like they'd

951
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: have to they'd have to win well, I guess three,

952
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: so none. But it's still still a long.

953
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 3: Impressive team and season as we've seen in a long.

954
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: Time, unbelievable, so all that is on the dock at

955
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: an hour number two, halfway home, Euler Williamson. It's the

956
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network