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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut to him and this is the NFL Player

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Speaker 2: Second Acts podcast and with me as always as my

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: That did not hurt, but appreciate it. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: Don't don't that's my that's my life. You're going to

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Speaker 1: read it all over but I'm just telling you what

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Speaker 1: it is. It's just the truth.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the best, the greatest to ever do it,

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Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer, one of the greatest dual

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Speaker 3: Texas NFL analysts.

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Speaker 2: Now he's a high school running back coach. I love

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Speaker 2: that running game coordinator and oh running titles matter, that

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Speaker 2: words matter. Running game coordinator Ladany Thompson.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the part.

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Speaker 2: I apologize I forgot that running Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Team, Thanks man, I appreciate. Oh there it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So hey, look, let's just jump right into it. You're

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Speaker 3: in your third act. This is not your second act.

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Speaker 3: This is your third act. Uh, running backs coach Oakridge

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Speaker 3: High School. You just got off TV. You said, you

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Speaker 3: said your your goodbyes and all that other stuff. We'll

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Speaker 3: get to that. But what does that mean for you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're coach in high school? Yeah, Ladani and

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Speaker 3: Thomlinson one of the greatest running backs in NFL history

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Speaker 1: Like, how does that feel?

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Speaker 4: It feels great. I won't say that I'm totally done

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Speaker 4: with television, yeah, of course, you know, but from the

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Speaker 4: You know, kids get older. You know, you're you guys, know,

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Speaker 4: But you know, guys, I've always wanted to kind of

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Speaker 1: What first of all, what position does he play? And

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he plays quarterback and he's gonna yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: If it was cracked tass or like look like power,

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Speaker 3: It is freaking past all day past, especially on shorty

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Speaker 1: That is prime time right there.

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Speaker 2: How do you think this will view this as with

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Speaker 1: How do you think it asks your legacy? Man? Well,

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Speaker 1: He was game right, he was.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you could do that? No?

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Speaker 4: It's changed. I mean, it's more I think the passing game. Listen,

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Speaker 4: And it's for you defensive guys. I'm sorry for you.

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Speaker 3: Now, they throw flags on guys in high school because

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Speaker 3: Football where junior high there the junior high teams running

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Speaker 4: And even if we fast, like if we project these

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Speaker 2: I think what makes Texas so superior in football just

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Speaker 2: That means dominant, dominant. Yeah, I know you were talking

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I just but it allows the students

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Speaker 1: All the way up until my senior year. Like that's,

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Speaker 2: That's what makes Texas football Like it's just where I

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not disagreeing with you. But you're not the

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Speaker 3: I do want to know this though, LT, because you

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Speaker 1: Have you seen, like, man, like these kids.

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Speaker 3: Need that more of a perspective somebody that's done it,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the main part to me, is a communication

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Speaker 4: I'm not a yeller anyway, you know, So I don't

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Speaker 4: I do believe there's you know, probably I would say

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Speaker 1: We we played the Chargers in London. You had one

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Speaker 3: I remember I tried to tackle you and you had

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Speaker 3: Like I I that was the first time I'd been

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Speaker 3: I know you guys probably enjoyed London as well, but

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Speaker 2: Yes, And we used to play this, uh play this

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Speaker 1: We saw be there that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was some good.

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Speaker 4: That's why he was so good at punching the ball. Joke,

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Speaker 2: So one thing I did do that that I stole

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Speaker 1: So that was one thing. I know.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't stiff arm with people, but it did make

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Speaker 2: I definitely stole that from you.

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Speaker 4: When he I was like, damn, okay, Well I stole

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Speaker 4: because in my backyard Bard. Yeah, so I mean I

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Speaker 4: think you know, AI's coach told me speaking about this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: And when you think about it, it is because you

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Speaker 1: Coaches clinic, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I was a DB's coach, all I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's really just everything as I learned that harp.

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Speaker 4: Well, jump cut I stole from Barry Sanders. Obviously that

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: The stiff arm was something that that really I think

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Speaker 4: I always pretty much had that. I perfected it over

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Speaker 3: What was the What's the most important part of a

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Speaker 4: Waiting till the last second? And it's a punch. A

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Speaker 4: and keep it out there. You do not It is

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's what I But if you now certain

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Speaker 4: got to try to tackle me one on. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: See, I was really more with with with the stiff

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's why. That's why I had to ask.

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Speaker 3: I want to know, you know, we teach people like oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we all asked to write.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard anyone ever told me exactly where they

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Speaker 1: Him, exactly that was. That was.

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Speaker 2: But it's kind of illegal though, because if I'm a

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Speaker 1: All about scoring points. But when you hit me in

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Speaker 4: Trying to talcle me. I just I got to be

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Speaker 2: I have to. I gotta be able to defend my

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Speaker 2: Like he's so small, Like, come on that.

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Speaker 3: Are you aware that you and Walter Payton are the

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Speaker 4: No, I did not know that.

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Speaker 1: Well, welcome learning something new every day.

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Speaker 4: He was my idol, Like he was the one guy

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Speaker 2: When he just he just read that to you, though,

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Speaker 2: you and Walter Payton, I mean him being your idol,

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Speaker 4: Well, you're gonna make me get so deep on you, man,

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Speaker 4: I believe in destiny and you know, faith and you know,

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Speaker 4: So when I was fourteen, this prophecy all my life

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Speaker 4: So with Walter Payton being my idol, to be able

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Your time in uh San Diego now the LA Chargers,

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Speaker 4: Man, it was outstanding. But I'll tell you it was

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Speaker 4: We're gonna embarrass you. And that's the way he practiced.

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Speaker 4: So it lifted everybody else on the team. It lifted

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Speaker 4: And even when year left, he had laid the foundation

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Speaker 4: Drew Brees, you know, guys like that. The offense really

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Speaker 4: So it was very challenging. Like the regiment that Junior

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Speaker 3: So at what point in your career do you think,

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Speaker 3: of Famer. Probably like I'm trending towards I'm trying to

441
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 3: walk it back because I put words in your mouth.

442
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: But let's just talk about it.

443
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: I mean, in two thousand, what was that two thousand

444
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 3: and six when you won the MVP.

445
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: You were the MVP.

446
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: You also won the AP Offensive Player of the Year

447
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: and Walter Payton.

448
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: Mannadeer in the same year. I don't think.

449
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody's ever done that before. I mean,

450
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 3: you gotta feel like I'm on top of the world.

451
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 3: Oh dude, You're like, man, I think I'm gonna be

452
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer after this.

453
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I didn't. I did it, man, because uh,

454
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 4: you know, I was never one of those guys though

455
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 4: to look at numbers like where am I, you know,

456
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 4: like you know, number wise, I never. I never did that.

457
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 4: I just to me, I believed in, you know, the

458
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 4: day to day grind, tomorrow is gone. And the reason

459
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 4: why I believed in that was my college coach, Dennis FRANCIONI.

460
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: I guess it was. It was like my junior year.

461
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 4: I had just set the NCAA record four hundred and

462
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: six yards in one game. Okay, I'm on national television ESPN,

463
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 4: first time ever. You know, TCU's starting to blow up.

464
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: Coach calls me in the office. He's sitting on that

465
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: side of the table, walk in feeling good. So Coach,

466
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 4: you look at me, said throw out the paper. Feels

467
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: pretty good, right. I was just accolades and recognition, and

468
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 4: he said, all glory is fleeting say that again, coach,

469
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 4: all glory is fleeting. Do you know what that means?

470
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 4: I'm in college? Not really everything that you accomplished, no

471
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 4: one will care about it. One day. It will be

472
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 4: gone here today, gone tomorrow. And that always stuck with

473
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: me because he said, if you don't keep working, who

474
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: cares about if you just rush for four hundred yards

475
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 4: if you don't keep working. So I always kept that

476
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 4: approach with me always, and even after winning the MVP,

477
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 4: to me, it was like, what's next, you know, like

478
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 4: I got to prove that it wasn't a fluke. People

479
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 4: still at that point was like, oh, he's the best

480
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: all around back. Well, why can't I be the you know,

481
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 4: like best all around back? What is that?

482
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So it was I could

483
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: tell that didn't affect you at all at all at all.

484
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 3: And you know what, man, shout out the coach Frank

485
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 3: because he came to Alabama and coached me after that

486
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 3: and then left us after a couple of years ago

487
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 3: to m But he got it so much successful because

488
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: of you and what you guys were able to accomplish

489
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: at TCU. So shout out to him, you know, because

490
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 3: they got me. Helped me get They got me to

491
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: Alabama because they recruited me.

492
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 4: They were good recruiters, they were.

493
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: So two thousand and six, y'all go fourteen and two

494
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: Marty shotting harmers a coach divisional round, you make the

495
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: playoffs and he gets let go after that season. What's

496
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: the what's the story behind that?

497
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: Well, there was tension leading up to that season between

498
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 4: the GM you know, and the head coach, Marty Schottenhammer

499
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: and the late A. J. Smith. And you know, we

500
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: had heard all the speculation, right, We heard about how

501
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: different stories that came out the building, how they weren't talking,

502
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 4: they couldn't see out of our own draft picks, you know,

503
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 4: different moves to make you know, around the team. But

504
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 4: you know we're winning. So y'all, y'all deal with that now.

505
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 4: I bless you. I gotta be honest. So after after

506
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 4: that happened, we knew the reason why we knew why,

507
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 4: you know, Marty was was the scapegoat because they no

508
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 4: longer those two can no longer get, you know, like

509
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: coexist if you will, And the owner, Dean Spinos obviously

510
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: had to make a decision. You know, I can't have

511
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: the organization and the flux like this, the two most

512
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 4: important people in this organization don't get along, so made

513
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: the decision to let Marty go.

514
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds you of the Bulls back in

515
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: ninety seven, ninety eight, or I think it was last

516
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: year ninety eight. Dre Cross's GM Phil Jackson head coach

517
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: Dreck Crouse says, Hey, I don't care if you go

518
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: eighty two and oh Phil Jackson will not be the

519
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: head coach. And they go out and they win a championship,

520
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: and then they let Phil Jackson go.

521
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: Like I just egos, he just finished watching he just

522
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: finished watching the last Why are you because you just

523
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: talked about it?

524
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: But what was what is Mark? You know everybody everybody

525
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: loves stop stop. I got one.

526
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: Marty.

527
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: Seemed like you're you're close. How did that impact you?

528
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: Like when when they let a great deal a great

529
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: a great deal.

530
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: I looked at it as a sign of philosophy change,

531
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: you know, because I knew who the team ran through

532
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 4: at that time. We all knew, you know, going to

533
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 4: your point, your first question or your question, you just asked,

534
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 4: what is Marty ball? And it was about power football? Okay,

535
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: we were going to start with the a gap power

536
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: coming right downhill to see if you can handle it.

537
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 4: And it was gonna be impose your will over four quarters.

538
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 4: That was the mindset, the mentality of of of our teams.

539
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: And then off that you had your deep plays to

540
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 4: Vincent Jackson and you know, different guys that we had

541
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: that can go down the field. Antonio Gates was the

542
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: third down mover, you know, like he was red zone

543
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: big play guy for us like that. Okay, So when

544
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: that happened, I said, okay, philosophy for the change, like

545
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: we're gonna start throwing the ball a little bit more.

546
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers was getting a little bit older, right, you know,

547
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: and listen, So it affected me a great deal. I

548
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: wasn't quiet about it. Let's just say.

549
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because normal was a norma came tournament, came to

550
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: head coach and you had I think that was the

551
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: first year you had lesson three hundred carries. Yeah it was,

552
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: it was yeah, yeah, yeah, first as you listen, three carries.

553
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it really wasn't about the carries, you know, really,

554
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: because you guys know this, the way you practice, what

555
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 4: you work on in practice is going to determine what

556
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 4: type of team. You are, absolutely so in practice we

557
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: went from nine on sevens team runs to.

558
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: Just seven on seven.

559
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: Team passed.

560
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.

561
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: But you want to be successful in running the football,

562
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: it don't work like that. You guys know that you

563
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 4: gotta work on it. So then it became you know

564
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: this think LT loss a step, they can't run the ball, Like,

565
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 4: what's going on?

566
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: That's how they started talking and you're like, I'm not

567
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: gonna be a productive when I got thirty five, let's carriage.

568
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: So then when you know when that year that bounced

569
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: back year, my tenth year with the Jets, and you know,

570
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: people was like, we thought he was done. See they

571
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: fooled you. That's how they do. They fooled you, you know,

572
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 4: thinking that this guy can't play no more when really

573
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 4: a change in Philosopheah, And that's okay, but let's be honest.

574
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: Let's be honest. Let's not make it look like this

575
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: person has lost a step or they can't play no more.

576
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I get it. No, I want her to sink get it,

577
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: speak about it.

578
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: So after you go through all those things, you end

579
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: up in New York. I want to ask you about

580
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: your retirement because you use the word that not everybody uses.

581
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: But and I want you to tell me about it.

582
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: You said you you were cool with with where you

583
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: were at. You're like reached this point. I'm graduating, That's

584
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: what you said.

585
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Why you use that.

586
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: Term, uh, because you know football had given me so much.

587
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: Man.

588
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: You know, I had been playing since I was seven

589
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: years old, every single year, preparing for the game every

590
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: single year, you know, like putting it all out, you know,

591
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: out there, mind, body in so right. And you know,

592
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: at that time, I felt like I had done all

593
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 4: that I can do. Like I was spent, you know,

594
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: mentally really not physically. It really wasn't a physical thing.

595
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 4: Could I could have continued to play absolutely mentally, emotionally,

596
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: I was done, you know. And so that's why I

597
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 4: said I was graduating because to me, I wasn't done

598
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: with football just as a player. I was graduating from

599
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: being a player playing football. When you graduate, you go

600
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: on to do something else too.

601
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, most a lot of times better. Yeah. Yeah.

602
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: So then you get into the TV space? Were you

603
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: super competitive in that TV space? When we became a

604
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: TV analyst.

605
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: I became Yeah, I became competitive at first. You know,

606
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: it was a great way for me to transition, you know,

607
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: because I never thought like I was going to retire

608
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: and just not do nothing. I wanted to transition and

609
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: and still be involved in the game, still talk about it,

610
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: still do research and all that kind of stuff, and

611
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: it was a great way for me to transition from playing.

612
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you when I first got into it, guys,

613
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: I was I was really shocked at the amount of

614
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: work that you need to put into it to be good.

615
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Right.

616
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to do television starting out. I

617
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: really didn't know how to do it. And it was quickly.

618
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: It was probably halfway through the season that I looked

619
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: at myself in the mirror and I said, dog, you

620
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: got you got some work to do, Like you need

621
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: to get You need to practice. It is home extremely

622
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: you know, you need to you know, like have a

623
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 4: see a voice coach and you know, speaking coach, and

624
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: you need to take more notes. You need to watch

625
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: more fem you know all that stuff. And I went

626
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: to work, just like I did when I was a player.

627
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 4: I went to work and that's when I really became

628
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: more competitive aded watching guys. You know, obviously, you know,

629
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: working with guys like Michael Irvin and Deon Sanders. You know,

630
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: was big for me because I got a chance to

631
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: see how television is done.

632
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: Yes, you know which those guys know how to turn

633
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: it on. Oh man, So it's it's a switch. They

634
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: know how to turn it on.

635
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: And you think, well, well, when you watch them on TV,

636
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: you're like, dude, I mean, it's just talking ball, but

637
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: it's not really all that. They also know how to

638
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: put on the production and a show. I think that's

639
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: another thing that a lot of people don't understand. When

640
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 3: you're in the TV world. You think, like, man, oh dude,

641
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: anybody can talk. They're just really good players. So it's

642
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: just their name and it really is a lot of

643
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 3: film study like LT's talking about. But then it's also

644
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: what kind of show, what kind of look are they

645
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: going front? And so that those personal things it can

646
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: feel personal, but you just got to look at it

647
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: from the big picture. What was your experience in all that?

648
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: I mean because me naturally when I got into it.

649
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: You know, in football, you know you want to put

650
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: you in high school, you want a place you can

651
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: get a scholarship. Then when you get a scholarship, you

652
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: go to school, you're like, dude, I want to start

653
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 3: I want to be All Conference or I want to

654
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: be All American. Then you're like, dude, I'm gonna get

655
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 3: to the league, right, it's like steps to it. Yeah,

656
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: in NFL, I don't think there are steps to it

657
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: like that. It's not a clear goal you get to

658
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: a the NFL R.

659
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: I want to be a pro bowler.

660
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: I want to be highest paid. I want to do this,

661
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: and TV is not really like that. How do you

662
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: keep the competitive juices flowing and you're able to do

663
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: it for ten years? And how do you stay competitive

664
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: with all like without understanding that. I don't know what

665
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: that next step is, but I'm still improving.

666
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

667
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 4: I think I approached it much like I did when

668
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 4: I was a player, and the thought as a player

669
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 4: was I want to do as much as I can't

670
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 4: as much as possible as I can. Like on the field,

671
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 4: I want to be as diverse as I possibly can.

672
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 4: Why Because they'll realize how much I can do and

673
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 4: how much they need me. They won't say, oh, you

674
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: know what, he can't do this, so let's find somebody

675
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 4: to replace him because he can't do that.

676
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: Man.

677
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: That was one of my biggest pet Peeves is being

678
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 4: able to You want me to block, I can block.

679
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: You want me to catch, I'll catch. Run outside of

680
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: y'all do that inside diversity is what I always kind

681
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: of prided myself phone. It was the same way in television,

682
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 4: meaning I'm on the set with you know, playmaker, you

683
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: know SAP, I gotta adjust to that energy. I gotta

684
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 4: adjust it. I gotta bring it a little bit more.

685
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 4: I'm on the set with somebody else that's a little

686
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: bit you know, a little you know, maybe a little

687
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 4: bit you know, kind of not as animated, you know,

688
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: a little bit more reserve, but more you know, detail,

689
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 4: very smart and very analytical. I gotta be able to

690
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: adjust to someone like that as well. So it was

691
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 4: really about learning how to adjust to different sets and shows.

692
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: And you know, you just learned how to do it.

693
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: So that what I want to know.

694
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: And we've never asked this question, what was your welcome

695
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: to the TV moment? What was your welcome to your

696
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: NFL TV moment?

697
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 4: Oh man, it was probably one of my first shows.

698
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 4: You guys probably don't even remember. We used to do

699
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: a pregame day show, like before game Day Morning on

700
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: NFL Network came on and Sterling Sharp was, you know,

701
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 4: one of the main hosts on that show. Melissa Stark

702
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: was was the main host. It was like my first

703
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 4: year and dude, I froze up one time, thinking like,

704
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: oh crap, this is for real, this is live. I'm

705
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: on TV, you know, and it was kind of like

706
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: they tossed to me, and it was like and I

707
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: got stuck when I was going to say, well, it's television,

708
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: and I remember Sterling Sharp just saying, don't ever quit talking. Yeah,

709
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: he's not wrong, he said, I don't care what you say.

710
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 4: Do not do that.

711
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: Quit Well, now it's like an awkward pause on TV

712
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 3: because now the viewers view was like.

713
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, how did you get it? How

714
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: did you get out of that?

715
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: It just what And it must have felt like twenty minutes, yeah,

716
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 3: eight seconds, max, Max Max.

717
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 4: I just snapped out of it. It just started to

718
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: you know, talk, you know, I snapped out of it.

719
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: But it was that first moment where, oh, shoot, this

720
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: is for real, I'm on TV.

721
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's funny. I'm like you, I didn't know.

722
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean, that's real though.

723
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: I if you've been on TV one, yes, you will

724
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 3: have had what was quick man.

725
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: It's not even a welcome to the well.

726
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 3: I've probably had one a couple of years, a couple

727
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 3: of things my first year doing TV, it's just a

728
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: couple of awkward moments and pauses. You also got there

729
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: doing COVID, so it was a totally different experience because

730
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: I didn't have people around me on the desk. I

731
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: was just talking in a camera like this and the

732
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: mixed minuses.

733
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 4: I'll just tell you, you know, the other thing doing I

734
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: guarantee this happened to you, is to talk. When you

735
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: first hear people talking, when you're talking.

736
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: Like oh my god, well you're not even really supposed

737
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: to listen, but if they're trying to tell you like

738
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: to give the count out. And the first time you

739
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: hear it, when you're talking and they start talking, you

740
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: like stop. Yes, You're like oh, and then and they're

741
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: like don't stop talking. Okay, Well then it's you start

742
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: talking back to the person here in your ear.

743
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do any of that.

744
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: So I did a couple of that early because it

745
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: was and I'm just talking to a camera in the

746
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: middle of COVID, and so it was very, very awkward,

747
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: and it's it's something.

748
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: You have to learn how to deal. We got to

749
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: work on it. One thing that I did do.

750
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: I was at Old Miss this past year and they

751
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: have this whole little cheer where you kind of like

752
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: you say one thing and it starts off their whole

753
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: little fight cheer, yell thing whatever, and I totally I

754
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: said something the wrong thing and they always just looked

755
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: at me like, but.

756
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to be saying that. I mean, that's a.

757
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: I know, but you know TV, you're trying and trying

758
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: to say it like we like everybody, so you know,

759
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: that's what that was.

760
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: And everybody just looked at me like and then they.

761
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: Were like, that was not it, that's not it. I

762
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 3: was like, my bad, So yeah it was live. I did.

763
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: I probably did, and they get They just kind of

764
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: like shows you.

765
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not even that bad, especially when

766
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: you just blow through it.

767
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: It's all good. But yeah, it was. It was. It

768
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: was funny, man, it was. It was actually very embarrassing.

769
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

770
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: I just didn't know how close we were, Like how

771
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 3: much my dog here really like helped set up all

772
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: the success I've had in my life. So you helped

773
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: set up Dennis Franconi coach Chris Sturman, who's the dB

774
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 3: coach at TC, who recruited me, came to my house,

775
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: ate my mom's food every week, like, recruited me hard,

776
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 3: showing up to all of a sudden get me to

777
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 3: Alabama despite them leaving.

778
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: He's the one that got me there.

779
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: And then not only that, you know you in that

780
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: draft class with you going first round, Drew going second round,

781
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 3: and then whatever happened, and then all of a sudden

782
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: you let you guys, let Drew get over to where

783
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: I went to New Orleans get drafted in two thousand

784
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: and six, the year he got there.

785
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: I did not know. We were just tied to all.

786
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: My success really from a lot of your success.

787
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

788
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: Man, this is complete privacy. And I appreciate you. Appreciate

789
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: you because I would not I don't know where I

790
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: would have done if I didn't go to Alabama but

791
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: didn't go to wherever I.

792
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Was at, you could have came to you.

793
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: Well, probably not, So I appreciate you. I appreciate you.

794
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: And I don't know what these people meant to you

795
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: in your life, but they meant a ton for me

796
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: in my life.

797
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well.

798
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: You know their coaching staff, man, I think they were.

799
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 4: They were really the first staff to because they didn't

800
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 4: recruit me, like there was a staff before. French. You

801
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: only got there French, you only got there my sophomore year. Okay,

802
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 4: so I'm fit to tell you who were recruited me.

803
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 4: You guys gonna know the name. Remember Pat Sullivan, old

804
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 4: Auburn quarterback control. He was the head coach at TCU

805
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 4: at that time. He recruited me to TCU. Okay, he

806
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 4: got fired after my first year. We went one in ten. Okay,

807
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: only whin was smu arrival. So we beat our. I

808
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 4: mean we beat our the last game we were owing.

809
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: That was that was about that.

810
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: That is great.

811
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: It's basically my college career all four years.

812
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 4: So he gets fired and Dennis Francioni and his staff

813
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: come in and and the rest is history. Like he

814
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: really coach. Fran believed in me. And then Drew Man.

815
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 4: Drew was a great friend. Like I knew Drew was

816
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: going to have success, like you can see it on

817
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: some guys. Some guys are just winners, like they get it.

818
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 4: And I knew Drew back in high school and so

819
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: he was a winner in high school, winner at Purdue.

820
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: He was just a winner. And when you know, when

821
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 4: he heard his shoulder that last game, man, and obviously

822
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 4: it made it easy for.

823
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: The Chargers to make that.

824
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: Go with Philip. I just fell for him, man. I

825
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 4: felt so bad for him. But I knew. I knew

826
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 4: he would land on his feet and that he would

827
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 4: have success. So you're welcome.

828
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I'm cool with that. I'm cool. You're welcome.

829
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: I like that.

830
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: So Mount Rushmore, you get four picks of people that

831
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 2: have had influence, people that have poured into you, people

832
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: that I've loved on you, people that helped raise you,

833
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: teach you, mentor you from the time you were born

834
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 2: till today. Who are those four people?

835
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: Wow?

836
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 4: Man, boy, you got some hard hitting questions. Oh man,

837
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: I mean first, you know, obviously it's my mom. You know,

838
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 4: mom was you know, like when I think about I

839
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: wasn't supposed to be successful. I mean everything that you

840
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 4: think about that hinders a kid from being successful. I

841
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 4: had aim you know, low income family, southside of Waco, Texas.

842
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: Parents were divorced when I was young. Older brother murdered

843
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 4: he was in the streets selling dope, you know, all

844
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 4: those things societies say. You know you're gonna follow down

845
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: that same path, you're not supposed to make it out.

846
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: And my mom was just so strong. Man, she was

847
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 4: just so will to keep us on the straight and narrow,

848
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: to help us and nurture us to realize in our dreams.

849
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 4: So my mom was, you know, really the first person.

850
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 4: And then I would say, man, my older cousin. Man,

851
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 4: I had an older cousin, my mom's sister son. He

852
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: was like the big cause, seven years older than me.

853
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: And man, he inspired me because as you probably can

854
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: attest to, I tell people all the time, Texas high

855
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: school football for us as kids, that was the NFL.

856
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: If we got to play Texas High school football, we

857
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 4: made it. We're gonna be on TV. And so I

858
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 4: remember when I was young, my big cousin play wide receiver.

859
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 4: But he was starting out there Friday night lights and

860
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: I used to hang on the gate watching him. He

861
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 4: was my hero. Yes, so and he inspired me.

862
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: Man.

863
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 4: He used to spend time with me, picking me up,

864
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: you know, taking me places. But as he got older,

865
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: you know, it was even the life lesson stuff, Like

866
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 4: he got an a dope game, you know, became a

867
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: big time drug dealer, house getting raided, you know, very

868
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 4: close to going to the penitentiary, gave it all up,

869
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 4: became legit hardworking man, you know what I mean. So

870
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: these are the things that I'm seeing, So he has

871
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 4: to be he has to be on there.

872
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: I love that you was hanging on the gate everybody. Yeah,

873
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: it's a vivid picture because I was that. I was

874
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: a kid too. That was like just looking at high

875
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: school players and it's amazing. I didn't have any family

876
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: out there, but it's amazing. Like man like my cousin

877
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: like that was it, Like that is my hero just

878
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 3: hanging on.

879
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 4: Hanging on the Friday night the gate, you know, Marty

880
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 4: Schottenheimer and just and and you know the humility of

881
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 4: the man. And I'm gonna tell y'all story. So you know,

882
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 4: I knew my family history, okay, I mean and my

883
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 4: grand granddad, great granddad, And I knew my granddad worked

884
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 4: in the fields, you know, he picked cotton. Granddad. I

885
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 4: never got a chance to meet him.

886
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: Okay. So I had an older father.

887
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: So my father when he had me, he was forty five,

888
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 4: forty six when he had my last my younger brother.

889
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 4: He was fifty. So imagine I had an older father.

890
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: So I grew up hearing about these stories of my granddad,

891
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 4: you know, in the cotton fields, you know, and boy

892
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. Well, Marty he had

893
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 4: you know, a bad I don't know like, you know,

894
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 4: he just would sometimes he would just say boy, you know,

895
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: like and it always made me cringe, you know. And

896
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: I never built up enough courage at the time to

897
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 4: say something to him. But over time, as I, you know,

898
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 4: spend more time with Marty, my wife and I would

899
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 4: go up, you know, to his summer home, him and

900
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 4: Pat Shottenheimer and spend time with him. So, I mean,

901
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 4: we would have great talks about life, how to be

902
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: a husband, you know, how to be a father, all

903
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 4: those things. So one day I said, coach Man, I said,

904
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you. I mean, I love you, man,

905
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: I said, but you know, my family history ran it

906
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: down to him. I said, Coach, I can't. I can't

907
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 4: stand when you say boy to me, you know, it

908
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: makes me cringe. And he looked at me. He said,

909
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 4: lt I never thought about it. I'm so sorry. I

910
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 4: will never I would never use that again. He never

911
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 4: use it again. Just like that, he never did it again.

912
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: So the humility of this man, you know, and all

913
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: the talks and stuff that we you know, had over

914
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 4: the years, and just teach me how to be a husband,

915
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 4: you know, like the things that I should do. I

916
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: was freshly married, you know, and you know he was.

917
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 4: He was definitely you know, that person for me. And

918
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 4: then I would say, probably my my running backs coach

919
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 4: in high school, Walter Brown. You're talking about someone that

920
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 4: just cared about a kid. You know, my call would breakdown,

921
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: you know, he would come get me from Wale across town.

922
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: You know, he had a family. Anything that I needed,

923
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 4: he was there and even beyond you know, I'm talking

924
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 4: about it at an adolescent age because my father wasn't there.

925
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 4: He was really the father figure. This is sit up,

926
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 4: that's right, you know. You know, this is don't wear

927
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 4: those earrings, this is you know, that's not how we

928
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 4: shake my hand. You know, like stuff like that. He

929
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 4: really poured into me like I was his own sign.

930
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 4: So I would say, those those people are really something.

931
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: That's a great mound. You putting your high school coach

932
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 3: up there makes me go back to where we started

933
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: at with you being the high school coach, understanding how

934
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: important that is. Full circle, it's full circle foundation, yes,

935
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: and that when you're the high school coach, it's not

936
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 3: always about the wins and losses. It's about everything else

937
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: and helping these young men become these young these young

938
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 3: boys become young men. And and it's it's that part

939
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 3: of it. It's going to pick them up for practice

940
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: because they ain't got a ride. It's maybe having to

941
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 3: buy him a little breakfast because they ain't had no

942
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 3: you know, And it's it's going to you know, man,

943
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: when you know they about to go out and party

944
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 3: and do that, Hey, be safe, you know what I mean,

945
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: like maybe being there because you understand what it's all about.

946
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: And so I just think that's amazing, And I know

947
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 3: you understand that. I probably don't have to repeat it,

948
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: but I just realized how full circle your Mount Rushmore

949
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: is into your life and where you are right now.

950
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely you didn't have to repeat it, but you did.

951
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: It was just so good. I wanted him to kind

952
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: of I want him to, I want to pull something

953
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: out of him.

954
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good connection. I got it.

955
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: It was good. So when you're gonna start picking up

956
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: kids whenever I need you.

957
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean I've already so I've been coaching the

958
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 4: last two years on a smaller scale.

959
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.

960
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: When I say smaller scale, I'm talking about six man football.

961
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, so I started. I started there, and man,

962
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 4: you're talking about I was picking kids up.

963
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: You know, do you have a big ass pickup truck.

964
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: He's from Texas, dude, three.

965
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: Coach got the puck, got the big pick up. Every

966
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: coach got the big pickup truck. You got the boots?

967
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: No, oh yeah, of course, of course I got. Come on,

968
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 4: that's a must. You gotta have the one thing I got.

969
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: I ain't never had the boots.

970
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: You never had boots?

971
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: When when you really, you know, from Texas, you got

972
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 4: to have the boots that are embroidery abroad with you know,

973
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 4: your name, your initials or so, your custom made boots.

974
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Okay, see I don't have custom man. That's what I got.

975
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 4: I got to you gotta get the customer.

976
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not from Texas.

977
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm from Texas, but I just ain't.

978
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 4: I just never been a boot guy.

979
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: I mean I got some tims that.

980
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 4: No, they don't, they don't qualify.

981
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you lc A man. We

982
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: appreciate you calling on the podcast.

983
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: This was dope. I appreciate you.

984
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

985
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: I knew some of your story.

986
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know all of your story. So thank you

987
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: for just expressing and opening up to us and just

988
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: letting us hear what you had to say. And I'm

989
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: really excited for the kids that you get to pour

990
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: into and hopefully one day they might make it to

991
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: the league. And when the people doing this show after us,

992
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: they asked him who they mount. Rushmore is like, oh yeah,

993
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: definitely Dan Thompson, Like he used to did this, He

994
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: did that, you know, my high school running game coordinator.

995
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: He did all these amazing things for him and make

996
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: it another full circle moment.

997
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: Man, You've been blessed beyond.

998
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: Measure and I just wish you nothing but more success

999
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: in your third phase, your third act.

1000
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: Wow.

1001
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 4: Appreciate you guys.

1002
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: Pledgere no doubt man and not. They're not gonna call

1003
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: you the run game coordinator. You're gonna be the offensive coordinator.

1004
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: No, you're gonna be the head coach.

1005
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: There it is. You're gonna be doing all that the

1006
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: head coach.

1007
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: Great job, man, I gotta tell you just uh, this

1008
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: is my first time actually really getting to just pull

1009
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 3: it back and listen to you and talk to you more.

1010
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: And man, you were supposed to be a statistic on

1011
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: the other side listening to your story, but you're statistic.

1012
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:02,479
Speaker 1: On the right side.

1013
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 3: And so we could use it as a great example

1014
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: for so many other young people that could really hear

1015
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: your story. And I appreciate it, and I hope we

1016
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 3: get to share it with him, So thank you for that, Bro,

1017
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: appreciate it.

1018
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 4: Man.

1019
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,319
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1020
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1021
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1022
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1023
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,400
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1024
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: all right, and uh.

1025
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: Peanut, get us out of here.

1026
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,600
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1027
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,120
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1028
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