1 00:00:00,190 --> 00:00:27,610 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,630 --> 00:00:31,290 Speaker 1: the show, fellow ridiculous historians. Thank you, as always, so 3 00:00:31,390 --> 00:00:37,470 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Everybody listening now, please don't do drugs. Okay, 4 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: so now that we have that legal stuff out of 5 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: the way, we got to shout out our super producer, Mr. 6 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: Max Williams. 7 00:00:46,060 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: Max, just say no Williams. Max, dare to dream Williams. 8 00:00:50,979 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: Ben, which is your name, I'm Noel, and I am 9 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: sad that I'm not wearing it because it's in the laundry, 10 00:00:55,830 --> 00:00:58,660 Speaker 3: but I have a really sick vintage D.A.R.E. 11 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Shirt. Remember D.A.R.E.? Oh, yeah. 12 00:01:00,580 --> 00:01:05,020 Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you dare to keep a kid 13 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,940 Speaker 1: off drugs by showing them how to use drugs. 14 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:08,899 Speaker 2: And here's all the fun ones. 15 00:01:08,980 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: And identify them in high school. I'm Ben Bullen. You're 16 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:16,690 Speaker 1: Noel Brown. And we know, we know for sure, folks, 17 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:22,309 Speaker 1: that earlier this year, we learned, despite the puritanical attitudes 18 00:01:22,410 --> 00:01:27,970 Speaker 1: toward recreational substances in the modern day, people and non-human 19 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: animals alike have been kind of trying to get high 20 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:32,940 Speaker 1: on all sorts of things. 21 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,100 Speaker 3: Shout out stoned ape theory, by the way, that's a 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: conversation for another day. 23 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,610 Speaker 1: Well, before the dawn of recorded history. And, you know, 24 00:01:42,830 --> 00:01:46,190 Speaker 1: we quickly realized that we had to make this a 25 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:50,490 Speaker 1: continuing series and we are not going into it alone. 26 00:01:50,830 --> 00:01:54,650 Speaker 1: You may have heard a legendary voice, uh, Big up 27 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: in us. At the intro here, we are thrilled to 28 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: welcome not only a returning guest, our brother in podcast arms, 29 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: the award-winning journalist, author, activist, and podcaster, Zarin Burnett. 30 00:02:08,530 --> 00:02:10,389 Speaker 4: Yo, what up, gentlemen? Thank you for having me. 31 00:02:11,470 --> 00:02:11,970 Speaker 2: Oh, man. 32 00:02:12,030 --> 00:02:13,470 Speaker 3: I love that you chimed in. I love it when 33 00:02:13,510 --> 00:02:16,089 Speaker 3: a guest chimes in before they're introduced. It just adds 34 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:18,690 Speaker 3: to the mystery of it. I fully support that. 35 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: I couldn't help myself. No, it's the best. 36 00:02:20,460 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: It's like on one of my favorite pods, Blank Check 37 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:24,900 Speaker 3: with Griffin and David, they'll do a whole intro and 38 00:02:24,940 --> 00:02:27,340 Speaker 3: talk for 20 minutes, and the person will just be talking, 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: and then they'll finally introduce them. And I just, I'm 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,530 Speaker 3: a big fan of that. But we couldn't be more 41 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: thrilled to have you, man. 42 00:02:32,870 --> 00:02:34,350 Speaker 4: I'm stoked to be here. So thank you guys for 43 00:02:34,370 --> 00:02:37,230 Speaker 4: having me back. Always a fun time with my fellow 44 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:38,550 Speaker 4: ridiculous historians. 45 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:49,460 Speaker 1: Now, as everybody knows, you have created so many shows, 46 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:54,820 Speaker 1: Black Cowboys, Ridiculous Crime, very special episodes. I think I 47 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:57,489 Speaker 1: still owe you a script about New Coke. 48 00:02:57,590 --> 00:02:58,130 Speaker 2: Yes. 49 00:02:58,290 --> 00:03:00,870 Speaker 1: Not the, I mean, not the drug. 50 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:03,410 Speaker 4: Yes, we've been looking forward to that one. It sounds awesome. 51 00:03:03,690 --> 00:03:06,590 Speaker 2: We did a new Coke episode on Ridiculous, didn't we, Matt? Yeah, 52 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:07,070 Speaker 2: we did. 53 00:03:07,090 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: And I'm cribbing it for another show. 54 00:03:09,980 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: As well you should. 55 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: And also, just not to bury the lead too much, 56 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 3: but Ridiculous Crime, technically part of the extended Ridiculous universe. 57 00:03:16,580 --> 00:03:21,100 Speaker 3: So we're brothers in extended franchise universes as well. 58 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,030 Speaker 4: Totally. We are your sister or brother show, depending on 59 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:24,739 Speaker 4: how you want to look at it. 60 00:03:25,010 --> 00:03:25,290 Speaker 2: Indeed. 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, how's it going, man, out west? 62 00:03:27,860 --> 00:03:30,530 Speaker 4: Oh, going really well. It's a beautiful day. We've had, obviously, 63 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:32,590 Speaker 4: a bunch of challenges this summer, but right now it 64 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:34,970 Speaker 4: is looking really nice going into the autumn. So all 65 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:37,030 Speaker 4: things considered, it's going well. 66 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: You know, we have a game show together on the way, 67 00:03:42,660 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: not too long from now, probably toward the end of 68 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: this year. And Zarin, we came across a study a 69 00:03:51,650 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: while back that argued people have been habitually partying as 70 00:03:56,740 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: far back as 25,000 years ago, which, as you recall, 71 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,550 Speaker 1: is a little bit earlier than when we got into podcasting. 72 00:04:05,730 --> 00:04:07,150 Speaker 4: Yes, just a little bit earlier. 73 00:04:08,010 --> 00:04:11,910 Speaker 3: And I believe, Ben, it was a good, significant jump 74 00:04:12,010 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: from what had been thought prior. Like, is this number 75 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,180 Speaker 3: coming from that recent study that we talked about on 76 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,540 Speaker 3: Strange News on our other sister show, Stuff They Don't 77 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,020 Speaker 3: Want You to Know? 78 00:04:21,930 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yes. We've got a Brady Bunch here, and we realized, Zarin, 79 00:04:27,830 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: that we have to get back to the mission of 80 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: this series. We had that episode in the past, earlier 81 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: this year. Weird things people used to get high off of, 82 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: and we're continuing the mission to uncover strange old substances. 83 00:04:44,779 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: To boldly smoke, snort, and chew. 84 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: What? 85 00:04:48,290 --> 00:04:51,610 Speaker 1: So many have done before that uh star trek parody 86 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:53,089 Speaker 1: for our producer max. 87 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:54,890 Speaker 2: Did they do do they do drugs on star star 88 00:04:54,910 --> 00:04:55,790 Speaker 2: trek was that. 89 00:04:55,890 --> 00:04:58,850 Speaker 3: Oh yeah they did okay well i love the magazine 90 00:04:58,930 --> 00:05:02,030 Speaker 3: resolutely yes no hesitation. 91 00:05:02,470 --> 00:05:04,150 Speaker 5: Oh yeah there's a lot i mean there's there's the 92 00:05:04,190 --> 00:05:06,180 Speaker 5: episode in the original series where they all get like 93 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,260 Speaker 5: horny and so he gets his shirt off and then 94 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:11,979 Speaker 5: the second episode of tng they do that same episode 95 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,820 Speaker 5: again which is a really weird time to do that 96 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:16,460 Speaker 5: episode and it's really bad and then Data, for some reason, 97 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,540 Speaker 5: gets really horny despite the fact that he's immune to 98 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,370 Speaker 5: it because everyone else is so horny. 99 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:22,010 Speaker 1: Okay. 100 00:05:22,029 --> 00:05:24,390 Speaker 2: I guess his job is just to adapt to the vibe, 101 00:05:24,529 --> 00:05:27,529 Speaker 2: you know? Yeah, he's just reading the room. 102 00:05:27,970 --> 00:05:30,230 Speaker 6: Seriously, explain to us, it's a contact high. 103 00:05:30,490 --> 00:05:31,529 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's right on the high. 104 00:05:31,589 --> 00:05:33,980 Speaker 6: It's a really bad episode. It's the second episode of 105 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:34,300 Speaker 6: the show. 106 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,940 Speaker 1: Now, Zarin, we previously, in that earlier episode, we looked 107 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: at stuff like Nutmeg, Henbane, you know, possible inspiration for 108 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:49,860 Speaker 1: the witch broomstick trope. We looked at Belladonna. We looked 109 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:55,460 Speaker 1: at Urgot. And for some reason, I was just re-listening, guys, 110 00:05:55,820 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: for some reason, toward the end of the first episode, 111 00:05:59,260 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: we spend a ton of time talking about hummus. So 112 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:09,950 Speaker 1: your demanding fans, sir, creator of Black Cowboys, very special episodes, 113 00:06:10,010 --> 00:06:15,029 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime, they have to know Zarin Burnett, the third, 114 00:06:15,290 --> 00:06:16,330 Speaker 1: what's your hummus stance? 115 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:18,550 Speaker 4: My hummus stance. You know, I don't think I've ever 116 00:06:18,589 --> 00:06:20,830 Speaker 4: been asked that. And I actually do have an answer, 117 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:22,570 Speaker 4: not one prepared, but I have one ready in the 118 00:06:22,620 --> 00:06:25,180 Speaker 4: back of my mind, which is I'm pro hummus, right? 119 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 4: I'm a big hummus fan. I'm not so big into 120 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,100 Speaker 4: all the flavored hummus. It's like they have a lot 121 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 4: of varieties now that are not really my bag, but 122 00:06:32,540 --> 00:06:34,860 Speaker 4: I love hummus. I put it on sandwiches all the time. 123 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,099 Speaker 4: I was raised a vegetarian. So the idea of like 124 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,850 Speaker 4: sneaking proteins in that you can is always been something 125 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: I've done forever. So Hummus is something that I still 126 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: put on all my like cheese sandwiches. Absolutely love it. Big, 127 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,580 Speaker 4: big fan. And by the way, I was thinking when 128 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: you were talking about earlier about how people have been 129 00:06:49,980 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 4: getting high for a long time. I find it interesting 130 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: that we'll get high before we'll like satiate ourselves. Like 131 00:06:54,990 --> 00:06:58,469 Speaker 4: there's evidence that. We were making beer long before we 132 00:06:58,510 --> 00:07:01,170 Speaker 4: were making bread out of the same materials. We were like, oh, yeah, 133 00:07:01,210 --> 00:07:03,060 Speaker 4: this grain stuff is awesome. You know, if you ferment it, 134 00:07:03,070 --> 00:07:05,190 Speaker 4: you can get drunk. And they were like, huh, you know, 135 00:07:05,210 --> 00:07:06,820 Speaker 4: you could actually make bread. And it was like 10, 136 00:07:06,810 --> 00:07:09,510 Speaker 4: maybe 20,000 years later, they were like, oh, hey, by 137 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:11,410 Speaker 4: the way, we could also make bread out of that stuff. 138 00:07:11,410 --> 00:07:14,490 Speaker 1: 20,000 years. 139 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:15,650 Speaker 6: Yeah, don't quote me on the years. 140 00:07:16,050 --> 00:07:18,150 Speaker 4: It's a long period of time. I don't remember exactly, 141 00:07:18,190 --> 00:07:18,510 Speaker 4: but yeah. 142 00:07:19,380 --> 00:07:19,740 Speaker 3: All right. 143 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,860 Speaker 1: So we're pre-gaming now and we have to ask you 144 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,630 Speaker 1: another question. You and I, Noel and Max, we're talking 145 00:07:27,670 --> 00:07:31,010 Speaker 1: a little bit off air. Zarin, what is the weirdest 146 00:07:31,470 --> 00:07:33,890 Speaker 1: quote unquote drug you have ever heard of? 147 00:07:34,190 --> 00:07:35,990 Speaker 4: Okay. I've got two. I've got a modern one and 148 00:07:36,030 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 4: I've got more of an ancient one. The modern one 149 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,100 Speaker 4: is people huff disc cleaner. Like, you know, the stuff 150 00:07:41,140 --> 00:07:43,460 Speaker 4: you use and like, you know, for cleaning a computer, 151 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:46,230 Speaker 4: like the compressed air. but it's like the ones that are, 152 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: they have like a propellant in there and people use it. 153 00:07:48,780 --> 00:07:49,540 Speaker 2: They call it duster. 154 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:50,660 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. 155 00:07:50,700 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: That's the street name. I've heard. 156 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,110 Speaker 4: And then also like they use the same idea with 157 00:07:56,250 --> 00:07:58,350 Speaker 4: spray paint. So you'll see guys like in the parks 158 00:07:58,390 --> 00:08:00,970 Speaker 4: who spray paint like silver paint into a paper bag 159 00:08:00,990 --> 00:08:02,410 Speaker 4: and then they huff it and you see them and 160 00:08:02,430 --> 00:08:03,370 Speaker 4: they have silver teeth. 161 00:08:03,850 --> 00:08:07,090 Speaker 2: Shout out charlie day on us uh always sunny yes. 162 00:08:07,130 --> 00:08:10,540 Speaker 1: Shout out mad max fury road yeah oh right shiny 163 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: and chrome yeah the duster thing though guys it's like 164 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: um again i've read about this phenomenon as well it is. 165 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 3: This very similar high to uh nitrous oxide yes yes with. 166 00:08:20,180 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: It yes it burns holes in your brains because i've 167 00:08:23,060 --> 00:08:25,140 Speaker 4: known people who do it and they they are not 168 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,660 Speaker 4: the same after doing it it really is it messes 169 00:08:27,740 --> 00:08:30,100 Speaker 4: up your brain real bad real quick much like huffing 170 00:08:30,140 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 4: paint does and That's something I used to see in 171 00:08:32,340 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 4: San Francisco, like in Dolores Park back in the day. 172 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,339 Speaker 4: It was like these kids with like silver teeth. And 173 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:37,980 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, man, that guy's not going to 174 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: be able to drive a car soon. Now, as far 175 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,850 Speaker 4: as a more ancient one, one that always tickled me because, 176 00:08:44,890 --> 00:08:48,250 Speaker 4: you know, OK, in the old fairy tales, a princess 177 00:08:48,290 --> 00:08:51,010 Speaker 4: would kiss a frog and they would turn into a prince. Well, 178 00:08:51,070 --> 00:08:55,339 Speaker 4: people also lick frogs to get high. Bofo? 179 00:08:55,540 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: What's it called? 180 00:08:56,059 --> 00:09:01,370 Speaker 4: Yeah, bufotoxin. So like the Colorado river toad, aka the 181 00:09:01,420 --> 00:09:05,650 Speaker 4: Sonoran desert toad, it secretes these bufotoxins and then people 182 00:09:05,710 --> 00:09:08,089 Speaker 4: go and either lick the frog or some people who 183 00:09:08,110 --> 00:09:10,350 Speaker 4: are not so into like getting intimate with the frog back. 184 00:09:10,660 --> 00:09:13,100 Speaker 4: they'll scrape the frog and then use that later on. 185 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 4: But once again, not recommended because it can be toxic. 186 00:09:16,950 --> 00:09:18,790 Speaker 4: It can literally kill you. But people try to get 187 00:09:18,850 --> 00:09:21,230 Speaker 4: just the right amount because usually, you know, it's the 188 00:09:21,270 --> 00:09:22,869 Speaker 4: dose that makes the poison. So they're like, if I 189 00:09:22,890 --> 00:09:24,530 Speaker 4: get just a little bit, maybe I can get off. 190 00:09:24,590 --> 00:09:27,790 Speaker 4: And it has a high, apparently, like ayahuasca or DMT. 191 00:09:27,809 --> 00:09:31,050 Speaker 4: And people see all sorts of crazy stuff. So licking 192 00:09:31,090 --> 00:09:32,890 Speaker 4: the back of a frog, I think, has to be 193 00:09:32,970 --> 00:09:34,510 Speaker 4: one of the weirder ways I've ever heard. 194 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:41,010 Speaker 1: So we're saying that in... ancient days of yore, there 195 00:09:41,150 --> 00:09:46,100 Speaker 1: would be some like grizzled frog licking veteran who would, 196 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: who was saying, Oh buddy, you can't lick it too hard. 197 00:09:51,780 --> 00:09:53,380 Speaker 4: Give it three good licks, but not five. 198 00:09:53,490 --> 00:09:54,290 Speaker 2: Yeah. 199 00:09:54,710 --> 00:09:57,189 Speaker 3: I had a really good Peking duck dinner at this 200 00:09:57,290 --> 00:09:59,650 Speaker 3: restaurant in Flushing Queens last night. 201 00:09:59,670 --> 00:10:02,780 Speaker 2: And on the menu, they had bullfrog. 202 00:10:03,540 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 3: So you got to wonder, like, you know, with frog 203 00:10:06,020 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: being a staple cuisine in some parts of the world, 204 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,540 Speaker 3: like the trial and error that it must have taken 205 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:13,589 Speaker 3: to find the frog that you licked and it got 206 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:14,329 Speaker 3: you mad high. 207 00:10:14,870 --> 00:10:16,510 Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated by that. 208 00:10:16,670 --> 00:10:18,309 Speaker 4: How many things were you licking before that? 209 00:10:18,850 --> 00:10:19,250 Speaker 7: Right. 210 00:10:19,290 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The old mushroom trope, right? 211 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:30,699 Speaker 3: Jordan Firstman, who's a comedian, he was an Instagram sort 212 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,180 Speaker 3: of star. And now he's got a new film coming 213 00:10:33,220 --> 00:10:35,530 Speaker 3: out called Club Kid that's supposed to be really, really fantastic. 214 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:37,209 Speaker 2: He was in that show. I love L.A. 215 00:10:37,510 --> 00:10:39,890 Speaker 3: Anyway, he I saw an interview with him doing some 216 00:10:39,929 --> 00:10:41,610 Speaker 3: press rounds and he said that he had a really 217 00:10:41,690 --> 00:10:43,950 Speaker 3: crazy year ahead where he had to film it. final 218 00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: season of a TV series shoot his first directorial feature 219 00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:49,350 Speaker 3: and a handful of other things and so he said 220 00:10:49,410 --> 00:10:52,500 Speaker 3: he lit he took He took that drug and it 221 00:10:52,540 --> 00:10:56,219 Speaker 3: made him see himself as he thinks maybe others see him. 222 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,030 Speaker 3: And he had like a total, you know, like existential 223 00:11:00,270 --> 00:11:01,610 Speaker 3: realism kind of moments. 224 00:11:01,670 --> 00:11:03,330 Speaker 2: And he was able to figure out how he was 225 00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:06,270 Speaker 2: going to tackle the year. So, you know, hey. 226 00:11:06,630 --> 00:11:07,530 Speaker 1: He got a lick. 227 00:11:07,550 --> 00:11:08,350 Speaker 4: Takes all kinds. 228 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: Right. We will introduce our first drug that people used 229 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: to get high off of. and still do today. In fact, 230 00:11:20,140 --> 00:11:25,740 Speaker 1: roughly 1 in 10 people across the planet ingest betel 231 00:11:25,780 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: nut in some form. It probably originates somewhere in the Philippines. Yeah, 232 00:11:39,460 --> 00:11:41,700 Speaker 1: if we're going to be fancy and put a tie on, 233 00:11:42,220 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: it's the areca nut, the seed of a palm called 234 00:11:46,020 --> 00:11:51,350 Speaker 1: areca nut. And I don't think any of us have 235 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:55,990 Speaker 1: personally ingested betel nut, but I have seen a lot 236 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:58,550 Speaker 1: of inexplicably weird mouths. 237 00:11:58,870 --> 00:12:02,170 Speaker 3: I am going to red mouths for my purposes, call 238 00:12:02,190 --> 00:12:02,830 Speaker 3: it betel nut. 239 00:12:02,929 --> 00:12:04,610 Speaker 2: Cause it's just more fun. You can go betel nut, 240 00:12:04,630 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: betel nut, betel nut. And no, you're right, Ben. 241 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:12,380 Speaker 3: And this was actually the, the substance that came up 242 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,500 Speaker 3: in the strange news article. We don't stuff they don't 243 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,940 Speaker 3: want you to know about how scientists have discovered that 244 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: people were getting high on purpose way farther back than 245 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: they had previously realized. 246 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,939 Speaker 4: And betel nut was the thing that they were getting 247 00:12:26,020 --> 00:12:26,380 Speaker 4: the thing. 248 00:12:27,059 --> 00:12:27,540 Speaker 7: Yeah. 249 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 250 00:12:28,110 --> 00:12:31,490 Speaker 1: It is still to this day, as we record in 2026, 251 00:12:31,490 --> 00:12:38,330 Speaker 1: the fourth most commonly consumed drug. Can we guess the 252 00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:39,949 Speaker 1: other three most. 253 00:12:39,850 --> 00:12:40,930 Speaker 4: Commonly consumed drugs? 254 00:12:40,970 --> 00:12:41,490 Speaker 2: Caffeine. 255 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:42,510 Speaker 5: One. 256 00:12:42,530 --> 00:12:43,329 Speaker 2: Nicotine? 257 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:44,570 Speaker 6: Marijuana. 258 00:12:44,590 --> 00:12:48,329 Speaker 2: I would hope, but I bet it's nicotine. 259 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:52,230 Speaker 1: I would hope as well. It's caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine. 260 00:12:52,630 --> 00:12:53,170 Speaker 4: Oh, okay. 261 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:56,790 Speaker 2: Nicotine, valium, vicodin, marijuana, ecstasy, and alcohol. That was a 262 00:12:56,890 --> 00:12:58,150 Speaker 2: Queens of the Stone Age reference. 263 00:12:58,190 --> 00:13:02,230 Speaker 3: Ben, I think you mentioned the red mouth situation, the 264 00:13:02,290 --> 00:13:04,270 Speaker 3: chewing of this nut or sucking on this nut. 265 00:13:04,309 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and we'll leave the jokes at the door. Causes. 266 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:12,650 Speaker 3: This is, it turns out, an archaeological boon. It's what 267 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:14,819 Speaker 3: allowed them to figure out what was going on with 268 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,460 Speaker 3: these red stained, you know, remains. 269 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 4: Of course, it leaves behind definitely an indicator of like, oh, yeah, 270 00:13:22,179 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 4: they'd be getting high. So did they crush it in 271 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:27,570 Speaker 4: their teeth or did they like make it like, you know, 272 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,780 Speaker 4: pistol and mortar style? 273 00:13:29,330 --> 00:13:34,230 Speaker 1: So originally what what we see, thanks to a study 274 00:13:34,490 --> 00:13:38,570 Speaker 1: led by a guy named Adam Brum over in Australia, 275 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:42,130 Speaker 1: Griffith University, Brisbane University. if I'm saying that correctly. 276 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:43,910 Speaker 2: I think you are. Queensland. Yeah. 277 00:13:44,050 --> 00:13:46,650 Speaker 1: They have a study, kid you not, guys, the title is, 278 00:13:47,110 --> 00:13:52,170 Speaker 1: Betel Nutsucking is the Earliest Recorded Evidence for the Habitual 279 00:13:52,390 --> 00:13:55,170 Speaker 1: Use of a Neuroactive Plant Drug. 280 00:13:55,230 --> 00:13:57,870 Speaker 3: Scientists be so literal, man. 281 00:13:57,890 --> 00:13:59,410 Speaker 2: They didn't want to run that through an edit. 282 00:13:59,429 --> 00:14:01,460 Speaker 4: They have to know what they wrote. 283 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:02,260 Speaker 6: Betel Nutsucking. 284 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: Nutsucking is how we first got on. 285 00:14:04,300 --> 00:14:10,660 Speaker 1: Betel Nutsucking. So, Zara, to your question there, these folks, like, 286 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,140 Speaker 1: Now you can find a betel nut in something called 287 00:14:15,260 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: betel quid or pond like non with a P and, 288 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,490 Speaker 1: and it's essentially big league chew. Uh, it's wrapped in 289 00:14:23,550 --> 00:14:25,770 Speaker 1: a leaf and you, you just sort of chew on 290 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:29,510 Speaker 1: it with a slaked lime and calcium hydroxide. But back 291 00:14:29,550 --> 00:14:35,130 Speaker 1: in the day, uh, according to this study, uh, These 292 00:14:35,190 --> 00:14:39,390 Speaker 1: guys didn't have bigly chew technology, so they would just 293 00:14:39,490 --> 00:14:42,170 Speaker 1: grab a betel nut and they would put it in 294 00:14:42,370 --> 00:14:45,050 Speaker 1: their mouths, right? They'd tuck it in their cheeks. 295 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:45,620 Speaker 2: Like a dip. 296 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:46,010 Speaker 7: Yeah. 297 00:14:46,130 --> 00:14:47,580 Speaker 2: Or like a snooze. 298 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 299 00:14:49,940 --> 00:14:55,260 Speaker 1: Like a snooze, yes. And they would– what's the word? 300 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,940 Speaker 1: Not quite masticate? Macerate? 301 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: I can't remember. 302 00:14:58,940 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it would also, if I'm not mistaken, Ben, 303 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: one of its properties is that it– increases the flow 304 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,780 Speaker 3: of saliva oh naturally yeah naturally so you just hold 305 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,020 Speaker 3: it in there and all of a sudden you're gonna 306 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,890 Speaker 3: be spitty as hell and then you're swallowing up that 307 00:15:13,150 --> 00:15:16,050 Speaker 3: you know the red spit juice so it really is 308 00:15:16,070 --> 00:15:18,290 Speaker 3: like all of a sudden yeah 100 yeah. 309 00:15:17,890 --> 00:15:19,850 Speaker 4: Very much between your cheek and gum and then all 310 00:15:19,870 --> 00:15:21,250 Speaker 4: of a sudden you're good to go okay. 311 00:15:21,730 --> 00:15:26,350 Speaker 1: Yeah and it's due to ericoline uh that's the functional 312 00:15:26,410 --> 00:15:30,550 Speaker 1: substance a kissing cousin of nicotine but uh like you 313 00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:35,590 Speaker 1: guys were pointing out this stuff does have an impact 314 00:15:35,690 --> 00:15:39,730 Speaker 1: on people's dentation, right? They call it dental pathology. And 315 00:15:39,750 --> 00:15:43,830 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, why are these teeth bizarrely red? 316 00:15:44,770 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 4: Do we know what kind of high? Is it like nicotine? 317 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:51,060 Speaker 2: I think it's a mild amphetamine type. 318 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:51,580 Speaker 1: Oh, okay. 319 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: So some euphoria, alertness. 320 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: I don't think it goes so far as to become 321 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,979 Speaker 3: truly psychedelic in any way. 322 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,420 Speaker 2: But I think it is like, you know, sort of 323 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:01,660 Speaker 2: like chewing on a cocoa leaf. 324 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: Okay, I got you. 325 00:16:02,780 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: Or sucking on a chili dog. 326 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:06,620 Speaker 1: Sure. Very much so. 327 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 6: Yeah. 328 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:11,580 Speaker 1: It's like a strong cup of coffee, you know, and 329 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:17,590 Speaker 1: it doesn't, the, the thing is it's somewhere between, between 330 00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:23,050 Speaker 1: coffee and alcohol, right? It doesn't get you too wonky. Like, 331 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,340 Speaker 1: you know, if you, not calling anybody out but if 332 00:16:26,380 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: you smoke too much cannabis you might feel a little 333 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,820 Speaker 1: weird about the world and if you drink too much 334 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:36,100 Speaker 1: booze you might be stuporific yeah you might get intoxicated 335 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,420 Speaker 1: this won't do it it just uh keeps you up 336 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,460 Speaker 1: for a while apparently thousands of. 337 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: Years which makes sense uh why it was so popular 338 00:16:45,380 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: and it remains popular today because it's just kind of 339 00:16:47,540 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: gives you a little give you a little zing a 340 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: little pep in. 341 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,100 Speaker 4: Your stick a labor aid i'm surprised we don't have 342 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 4: it here Labor aid. 343 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: Someone should make a joke, a product called labor aid. 344 00:16:56,940 --> 00:16:57,460 Speaker 2: That's very funny. 345 00:16:57,540 --> 00:17:00,620 Speaker 1: Oh, God, we're so close, you guys. We're so close. 346 00:17:00,740 --> 00:17:02,180 Speaker 2: For the proletariat. 347 00:17:02,660 --> 00:17:06,660 Speaker 1: For the proles. Oh, my gosh. Man, we're also going 348 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: to have to talk about another problematic relative of the 349 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:19,330 Speaker 1: betel nut, obviously, tobacco, nicotine. Now, Zarin, you and Elizabeth 350 00:17:19,530 --> 00:17:23,900 Speaker 1: often record videos out in California, right? 351 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:24,500 Speaker 6: Correct. 352 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:24,899 Speaker 2: Okay. 353 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,250 Speaker 1: And I, I, I am of the mind or from 354 00:17:28,270 --> 00:17:33,090 Speaker 1: what I understand, uh, smoking cigarettes is way worse than 355 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:36,090 Speaker 1: smoking cannabis in California. 356 00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:39,310 Speaker 4: Yes. Uh, well, like places like, uh, and I think 357 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:42,450 Speaker 4: San Francisco County, they have banned the sale of vapes. 358 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: So like, you can't get like vape cartridges in stores, 359 00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:49,090 Speaker 4: but you, You can obviously go and get marijuana pretty 360 00:17:49,130 --> 00:17:51,030 Speaker 4: much on every corner store if you want because they 361 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:53,670 Speaker 4: have all sorts of like both dispensaries and then legal 362 00:17:53,710 --> 00:17:55,430 Speaker 4: work around so you can sell it in corner stores. 363 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,419 Speaker 4: So there's obviously a predilection for giving people marijuana as 364 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 4: opposed to tobacco, nicotine. So it's much easier to be 365 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:07,459 Speaker 4: a pot smoker than a cigarette or a vape smoker 366 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,859 Speaker 4: in a lot of parts of California. But generally– You 367 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,969 Speaker 4: can't smoke it outside. A lot of places like apartment 368 00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:17,530 Speaker 4: complexes have rules where you can't smoke it in your apartment, 369 00:18:17,770 --> 00:18:21,250 Speaker 4: so you can't smoke it outside. There's large parts of 370 00:18:21,330 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 4: downtowns where there's no smoking and you can be fined 371 00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 4: if you are smoking. So there's a big push to 372 00:18:28,020 --> 00:18:31,510 Speaker 4: ban cigarettes, vapes. There's a lot of places where they'll 373 00:18:31,869 --> 00:18:35,940 Speaker 4: be illegal. you will be fined heavily for it. So 374 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,310 Speaker 4: there's definitely a push. And whereas you can pretty much 375 00:18:39,369 --> 00:18:41,450 Speaker 4: walk around most of California and smell pot smoke in 376 00:18:41,490 --> 00:18:41,790 Speaker 4: the air. 377 00:18:42,250 --> 00:18:42,730 Speaker 2: For sure. 378 00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:45,300 Speaker 3: It's becoming the case in a lot of places. Like 379 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: I'm here in New York City and in a lot 380 00:18:47,859 --> 00:18:48,820 Speaker 3: of boroughs. 381 00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:51,090 Speaker 2: It is illegal. I mean, I think in the entire 382 00:18:51,109 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: state to sell like flavored vapes. Oh, yeah, definitely. 383 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: Oh, sure. 384 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: They're down to like just normal vapes like you can't. 385 00:18:57,260 --> 00:18:58,540 Speaker 2: A hundred percent. 386 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,710 Speaker 3: But my point is that, you know, weed is also 387 00:19:02,130 --> 00:19:06,090 Speaker 3: decriminalized here and recreationally. So it is kind of becoming 388 00:19:06,109 --> 00:19:09,310 Speaker 3: that similar kind of vibe. But there are, to your 389 00:19:09,369 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: point about the workarounds for corner stores, now the workarounds 390 00:19:13,060 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: are for vapes and cigarettes where they're trying to figure 391 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: out how to low-key under the table sell you, you know, 392 00:19:20,540 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: a geek bar or a freaking elf bar that tastes 393 00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: like pina colada. Like that is now becoming the contraband. 394 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:32,980 Speaker 1: This cotton candy caramel-flavored vape is definitely for people in 395 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:33,230 Speaker 1: their 50s. 396 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,590 Speaker 2: What do you want? I got you. You want Coco Crispy? 397 00:19:36,650 --> 00:19:37,750 Speaker 2: What do you want? 398 00:19:37,850 --> 00:19:42,149 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. We're bringing this up because we know 399 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:46,950 Speaker 1: that the world is learning more about the dangers, right, 400 00:19:47,210 --> 00:19:49,170 Speaker 1: of inhaling anything, right? 401 00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:49,630 Speaker 2: Yeah. 402 00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: We have to get to a bizarre hypothetical. Riddle us this, guys, 403 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,420 Speaker 1: if we're walking into a bar in, say, Oakland, right, 404 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: and we're smoking a coffin nail, and they say, hey, 405 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:08,699 Speaker 1: you can't smoke in here, what if we say it's 406 00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:10,699 Speaker 1: for our Our asthma. 407 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 3: And this is my emotional support dog. This is my 408 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,790 Speaker 3: emotional support sig. 409 00:20:16,810 --> 00:20:20,190 Speaker 2: Guys, come on. Leave me alone. Let me live my life. 410 00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:21,590 Speaker 2: What is this referencing, Ben? 411 00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:25,220 Speaker 3: Is this a weird little flash in the pan, like 412 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,780 Speaker 3: medical craze that took place long ago? 413 00:20:28,430 --> 00:20:31,689 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it is not little. 414 00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:33,150 Speaker 2: It is weird. 415 00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:34,490 Speaker 1: It did happen. 416 00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:36,570 Speaker 3: Remember when they had like nine out of ten doctors 417 00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:39,770 Speaker 3: recommend you smoke this brand? 418 00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:41,350 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes. 419 00:20:41,970 --> 00:20:46,340 Speaker 1: Truth be told, pretty much everybody, I think, knows that 420 00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:50,330 Speaker 1: cigarettes are not great these days. And sadly, most of 421 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:55,369 Speaker 1: us know someone suffering from asthma. That chronic lung condition 422 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:59,990 Speaker 1: makes it difficult at times, impossible to breathe. Zaret, Noel, 423 00:21:01,150 --> 00:21:03,990 Speaker 1: have you guys encountered asthma in your personal lives? 424 00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:04,830 Speaker 2: Oh, yes. 425 00:21:05,050 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 4: I've got a family who have asthma issues. Growing up, 426 00:21:09,170 --> 00:21:11,050 Speaker 4: I knew a lot of kids who had asthma that 427 00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:13,409 Speaker 4: seem to have changed now. Like people I know who 428 00:21:13,450 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 4: have children, they don't seem... to talk about asthma as 429 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 4: much as i did but apparently in certain areas depending 430 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:22,670 Speaker 4: on industrial pollution levels you find a lot more asthma 431 00:21:22,790 --> 00:21:26,169 Speaker 4: so there is definitely that uh but it's not something 432 00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:29,150 Speaker 4: that i've personally experienced but i've watched people have asthma 433 00:21:29,170 --> 00:21:31,790 Speaker 4: attacks and it seemed terrifying it was like they're like 434 00:21:31,810 --> 00:21:33,910 Speaker 4: drowning in the air your. 435 00:21:33,810 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: Chest tightens up the uh what is it bend What 436 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:39,340 Speaker 3: are those particles in your lungs? 437 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,030 Speaker 2: Thank you. Alveoli. That's right. They contract, I want to say. 438 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,450 Speaker 3: And the reason that people are able to mitigate an 439 00:21:47,530 --> 00:21:49,869 Speaker 3: asthma attack almost like with an EpiPen when you're having, 440 00:21:50,369 --> 00:21:51,410 Speaker 3: you know, an attack. 441 00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:52,130 Speaker 2: Anaphylactic shock. 442 00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:56,010 Speaker 3: Yeah, anaphylactic shock is with an inhaler that's albuterol, if 443 00:21:56,050 --> 00:22:00,449 Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, that literally causes those very, very important 444 00:22:00,490 --> 00:22:02,929 Speaker 3: parts of your lungs to expand again. 445 00:22:03,050 --> 00:22:04,410 Speaker 4: Okay. You get the dilution. 446 00:22:04,450 --> 00:22:04,530 Speaker 6: Okay. 447 00:22:04,550 --> 00:22:04,710 Speaker 3: Yeah. 448 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. And let's cast our memory back there, by the way, folks, 449 00:22:09,859 --> 00:22:17,850 Speaker 1: to something totally unproblematic called the Columbian Exchange. The Europeans 450 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:22,389 Speaker 1: had no idea what tomatoes or potatoes or llamas were 451 00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:29,210 Speaker 1: until that interaction occurred. That exchange brought with it many 452 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:33,930 Speaker 1: horrible things, one of those being tobacco. We don't know 453 00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:39,050 Speaker 1: a ton about who invented the first cigarette, but guys, 454 00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:40,830 Speaker 1: it was probably a hobo in Spain. 455 00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:44,730 Speaker 4: We do know that Walter Raleigh made it such that 456 00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:47,070 Speaker 4: you could smoke it without hacking the entire time. He 457 00:22:47,109 --> 00:22:49,810 Speaker 4: was the one who came into curing tobacco, and that's 458 00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 4: how Europeans were able to suddenly be able to Stomach 459 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,750 Speaker 4: it long enough to become a Joneser for it. 460 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,790 Speaker 3: Is he the guy that invented that dope, long cigarette 461 00:22:58,830 --> 00:23:00,330 Speaker 3: holder that you put it in that would make you 462 00:23:00,350 --> 00:23:00,750 Speaker 3: look like. 463 00:23:00,650 --> 00:23:03,050 Speaker 2: A real aristocratic gentleman? Yeah, I don't know. 464 00:23:03,070 --> 00:23:04,810 Speaker 1: Who is that legend? 465 00:23:04,910 --> 00:23:07,500 Speaker 2: What about filters? I guess this is probably pre-filters. 466 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,580 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, definitely. That's much more of a 20th century invention. 467 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:12,780 Speaker 2: But you're right. The curing is what made it more palatable. 468 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,050 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. Because otherwise you just retch and hack the 469 00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:18,590 Speaker 4: whole time and you're like, this is not. 470 00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:18,750 Speaker 7: Going to work. 471 00:23:18,790 --> 00:23:19,210 Speaker 2: This is fun. 472 00:23:19,230 --> 00:23:22,830 Speaker 1: I like this. Yeah, because it was supposed to be 473 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:27,890 Speaker 1: in indigenous land. It's like a ceremony. 474 00:23:27,910 --> 00:23:28,510 Speaker 6: That's right. 475 00:23:28,590 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: Or they chew the leaves as well. Much like the 476 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: coca leaves. 477 00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:33,740 Speaker 4: Also, you throw it in a pile, light it on fire, 478 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 4: then you just kind of fan some of the secondhand 479 00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:36,780 Speaker 4: smoke into your face as opposed to. 480 00:23:36,780 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: That's what my father always threatened to do if he 481 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,060 Speaker 2: ever caught me smoking. 482 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: Oh, really? 483 00:23:39,580 --> 00:23:41,700 Speaker 2: Put me in a closet and make... No, it's just 484 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: the old joke of like. 485 00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:44,030 Speaker 3: I'm going to make you sit in a closet and 486 00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:45,770 Speaker 3: smoke the whole carton of cigarettes. 487 00:23:45,910 --> 00:23:46,290 Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. 488 00:23:46,609 --> 00:23:48,870 Speaker 4: I know kids whose dads did that. They made them 489 00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:50,290 Speaker 4: smoke the whole pack. It's a thing, man. Yeah, and 490 00:23:50,350 --> 00:23:52,550 Speaker 4: then they never wanted it. They turned green the whole thing. 491 00:23:52,869 --> 00:23:54,620 Speaker 2: It is a thing, like Pinocchio. 492 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 5: And to jump in here from my extensive research that 493 00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:59,540 Speaker 5: I've been doing for the last 45 seconds. 494 00:24:00,460 --> 00:24:04,180 Speaker 6: It does not seem like any one person is attributed 495 00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 6: for inventing the cigarette holder. 496 00:24:05,530 --> 00:24:06,430 Speaker 4: Fascinating. 497 00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:09,450 Speaker 2: It's to the point of this whole conversation. 498 00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:12,290 Speaker 3: It's like people figured out how to consume stuff in 499 00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:14,330 Speaker 3: odd ways. And there's a lot of parallel thinking when 500 00:24:14,369 --> 00:24:17,859 Speaker 3: it came to like ingesting things that got you, you know, faded. 501 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: And there was one, there were multiple people at some 502 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:26,140 Speaker 1: point in history who said, I want my fingers not 503 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:28,470 Speaker 1: to smell as much like tobacco. 504 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:30,770 Speaker 5: And the thing is, it was also because there was 505 00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:33,370 Speaker 5: no filter. And so it was just kind of came 506 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:36,270 Speaker 5: out of necessity, just not wanting it to be nasty 507 00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:37,170 Speaker 5: and messy. 508 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:38,830 Speaker 2: Oh, I got you. 509 00:24:39,070 --> 00:24:42,750 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we do have to give, by way of tangent, 510 00:24:42,790 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: we do have to give a reluctant shout out to 511 00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: a guy named James H. Albury Bonsack. 512 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,820 Speaker 2: That's a name. I know, I know. 513 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: Speaking of nutsack. 514 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,260 Speaker 6: We got sucking on nothing. 515 00:24:55,540 --> 00:24:58,180 Speaker 1: Yep, we're a family show. 516 00:24:58,260 --> 00:24:59,140 Speaker 2: Are we sure we're. 517 00:24:59,060 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 6: Not doing a James Joyce episode? 518 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:01,820 Speaker 2: Oh, geez. 519 00:25:08,850 --> 00:25:11,670 Speaker 1: Well, the reason we're shouting out our buddy James is 520 00:25:11,770 --> 00:25:15,610 Speaker 1: because historians believe he was the first guy to invent 521 00:25:15,630 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: the an automatic cigarette rolling machine way back in 1881. 522 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,170 Speaker 2: Those are dope. Have you ever invest with one of those? 523 00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:23,770 Speaker 2: A hundred percent. The little ones. 524 00:25:24,210 --> 00:25:24,670 Speaker 1: Yeah. 525 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:26,210 Speaker 2: For rolling a joint or something. I mean, they're like 526 00:25:26,250 --> 00:25:26,750 Speaker 2: really great. 527 00:25:27,010 --> 00:25:29,030 Speaker 3: You put the filter in on one side, you sprinkle 528 00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:31,430 Speaker 3: it in and it's almost like a little, uh, printing press. 529 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:31,830 Speaker 2: Yeah. 530 00:25:31,869 --> 00:25:33,250 Speaker 4: It's a perfect analogy. 531 00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:34,030 Speaker 7: Yeah. 532 00:25:34,210 --> 00:25:35,870 Speaker 4: And we used to use those for parties. Do the roll, 533 00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:37,570 Speaker 4: like just tons of joints. 534 00:25:37,650 --> 00:25:38,490 Speaker 2: Copious joints. 535 00:25:38,550 --> 00:25:38,790 Speaker 7: Yeah. 536 00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:41,150 Speaker 2: It's an assembly line. A lot of them. 537 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:45,619 Speaker 1: And, This popularized cigarettes, big deal for a long time. 538 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,730 Speaker 1: A lot of people understand more about lung health and 539 00:25:48,790 --> 00:25:53,650 Speaker 1: cancer and cardiac issues and cool uncles and so on. 540 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:59,970 Speaker 1: So cigarettes were before cigarettes. That point for decades, they 541 00:26:00,030 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: were portrayed as medicinal. Now, we mentioned earlier how this 542 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: zeitgeisty thing occurred in the world. We would actually have doctors. 543 00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:17,050 Speaker 1: recommending cigarettes, is it okay for us to play a clip? 544 00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:17,830 Speaker 2: Oh my God, yeah. 545 00:26:17,869 --> 00:26:20,230 Speaker 3: And I hope it involves like a pretty lady dressed 546 00:26:20,290 --> 00:26:22,050 Speaker 3: up as a cigarette showing some leg. 547 00:26:22,869 --> 00:26:23,889 Speaker 2: That's all I'm going to say. 548 00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:27,090 Speaker 1: It has a problematic series of doctors. 549 00:26:27,109 --> 00:26:31,010 Speaker 2: Fair, fair. Here we go. Oh man. All right. 550 00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:33,729 Speaker 7: You know, if you were to follow a busy doctor 551 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 7: as he makes his daily round of calls, you would 552 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 7: find yourself having a mighty busy time keeping up with him. 553 00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:43,430 Speaker 7: Time out for many men of medicine usually means just 554 00:26:43,550 --> 00:26:47,070 Speaker 7: long enough to enjoy a cigarette. And because they know 555 00:26:47,130 --> 00:26:50,990 Speaker 7: what a pleasure it is to smoke a mild, good-tasting cigarette, 556 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 7: they're particular about the brand they choose. In a repeated 557 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,780 Speaker 7: national survey, doctors in all branches of medicine, doctors in 558 00:27:00,060 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 7: all parts of the country were asked, what cigarette do you. 559 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:04,179 Speaker 2: Smoke, doctor? 560 00:27:05,140 --> 00:27:09,340 Speaker 7: Once again, the brand named most was Camel. Yes, according 561 00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 7: to this repeated nationwide survey, more doctors smoke camels than 562 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,940 Speaker 7: any other cigarette. Why not change to camels for the 563 00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 7: next 30 days and see what a difference it makes 564 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,859 Speaker 7: in your smoking enjoyment? See how camels agree with your throat. 565 00:27:25,580 --> 00:27:26,780 Speaker 1: And we'll stop it there. 566 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 3: Not dressed as a cigarette, but a very pretty lady 567 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: smoking and puffing away at a dart. 568 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:32,380 Speaker 1: Jesus Hubert Christ. 569 00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:34,580 Speaker 6: If I could jump in here. 570 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,580 Speaker 2: I'm sold. I mean, you know. 571 00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:39,950 Speaker 5: As somebody who smoked camels for 15 years and quit 572 00:27:39,970 --> 00:27:44,570 Speaker 5: four years ago, I never found them soothing on my throat. 573 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:47,490 Speaker 4: That's why you gotta smoke the menthols. 574 00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:50,209 Speaker 2: You gotta smoke the menthols. 575 00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:51,669 Speaker 1: Turkish domestic. 576 00:27:51,850 --> 00:27:54,290 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It's like a lozenge in cigarette form. 577 00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:56,810 Speaker 4: Oh my god, menthols. My uncles used to smoke those 578 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:59,449 Speaker 4: and I definitely caged one or two from them and 579 00:27:59,550 --> 00:28:02,570 Speaker 4: that cool breeze afterwards was always kind of shocking to me. 580 00:28:02,650 --> 00:28:03,929 Speaker 2: It's super shocking. 581 00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: It wakes you up. This is not an advertisement. I 582 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,820 Speaker 1: feel like legal is gonna get us. This is not 583 00:28:10,859 --> 00:28:14,300 Speaker 1: an advertisement for cigarettes, but we have Right. We have 584 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: to remember that at the time before people figured out 585 00:28:17,859 --> 00:28:22,730 Speaker 1: this stuff, medicated cigarettes were quite the rage, just like 586 00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:27,230 Speaker 1: we were talking about with vapes or indeed, Zaret, with 587 00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:31,250 Speaker 1: f * * * ing hummus, you could add extra flavors. 588 00:28:32,770 --> 00:28:36,740 Speaker 1: And one of the most infamous ones we found comes 589 00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:43,710 Speaker 1: to us courtesy of Pharmacy Times. It's something called pages, inhalers, 590 00:28:43,870 --> 00:28:50,610 Speaker 1: and we've got a couple of photographs of their medicated cigarettes, 591 00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: which does sound pretty crazy. Noel, can you give us 592 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,540 Speaker 1: just a couple of quotations from this box? 593 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,540 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely. 594 00:29:02,050 --> 00:29:04,010 Speaker 3: Oh, and let me just say, can I also just say, 595 00:29:04,030 --> 00:29:05,610 Speaker 3: and this is more of a collector's thing, like a 596 00:29:05,650 --> 00:29:09,140 Speaker 3: Pokemon type situation. The laws in other countries surrounding the 597 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: sale of cigarettes, to Zarin's earlier point about how it 598 00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: is in San Francisco or in the Bay Area, fascinating 599 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,850 Speaker 3: because when you buy any brand of cigarettes in Europe, 600 00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:21,670 Speaker 3: or other countries, they're going to have a picture of 601 00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:26,940 Speaker 3: a withered fetus on the pack or a limp penis 602 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,870 Speaker 3: or some sort of person wasted away, emaciated in a 603 00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:35,340 Speaker 3: hospital bed and with often these captions that are very 604 00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:38,110 Speaker 3: like guilting you into quitting smoking. Oh my gosh. 605 00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:41,850 Speaker 2: So I like to buy them just for collecting. 606 00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:46,930 Speaker 1: As a completionist. A hundred percent. The favorite one, by 607 00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:50,210 Speaker 1: the way, that I've ever seen, the most heartbreaking one, 608 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,140 Speaker 1: is from South Korea. There's a picture of a small child, 609 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,780 Speaker 1: old enough to stand, and the parents are only waist down. 610 00:30:00,330 --> 00:30:03,570 Speaker 1: And there's smoke everywhere and they're arguing and the child 611 00:30:03,670 --> 00:30:04,610 Speaker 1: is crying. Yeah. 612 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 613 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: That's a gnarly one. I've also seen one with amputated limbs. 614 00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:11,900 Speaker 3: Another one, a very popular one, is, again, the kind 615 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,780 Speaker 3: of guilting you about how you're killing your child. Really, 616 00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:17,820 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a good thing. I don't 617 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,620 Speaker 3: know how effective it is, to be honest. You've got 618 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,190 Speaker 3: to be interested to see stats about that. But, Ben, 619 00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:26,950 Speaker 3: I bring that up because what we're talking about here 620 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:28,470 Speaker 3: is the exact opposite of that. 621 00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:30,050 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. 622 00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:34,980 Speaker 3: Page's inhaler, 95 medicated cigarettes for the temporary relief. of 623 00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:39,150 Speaker 3: the paroxysms of asthma and to aid in the relief 624 00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:42,950 Speaker 3: of the discomforts due to excessive secretions in the nasal 625 00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:46,330 Speaker 3: passage associated with hay fever and simple nasal irritation. 626 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: And if you turn the pack around, you will see 627 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: step-by-step instructions, which, by the way, don't make anything better. 628 00:30:57,220 --> 00:31:00,980 Speaker 1: They go this way. Exhaust the lungs of air, then 629 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: fill the mouth with smoke and take a deep breath 630 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: drawing the smoke down into the lungs hold a few 631 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: seconds then exhale through mouth and nostrils prescribed dosage for Well. 632 00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 3: That's conservative. At least they're not telling you to smoke 633 00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 3: the whole pack. And then also, then peek over your 634 00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 3: cool guy sunglasses. 635 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,500 Speaker 2: Right, right. And then roll the pack up in the 636 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,780 Speaker 2: sleeve of your leather jacket. 637 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 4: Do we know what they were medicated with? Is this 638 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: like in the era of cocaine lozenges? Is this like 639 00:31:36,380 --> 00:31:37,580 Speaker 4: the same? We do, actually. 640 00:31:37,780 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: It's pretty close. They had alkaloids from stromonium leaves, and 641 00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:46,710 Speaker 1: then they had chestnut leaves, tea leaves. Cola nuts. 642 00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:49,350 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, Cokie stuff. Yes. 643 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:50,950 Speaker 4: Cokie and Cokie Jason. 644 00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:52,060 Speaker 3: Yeah. 645 00:31:52,170 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: Cokie Jason, kissing cousin. And these were not necessarily, as 646 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: we can tell, meant to be recreational, but it's not 647 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: like a doctor had to prescribe you a specific brand. 648 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,780 Speaker 1: You could just roll up to, you know, your soda 649 00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: jerk and say, I saw an ad and a lot 650 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,940 Speaker 1: of doctors are telling me. these smokes are perfect for asthma. 651 00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:18,820 Speaker 2: I don't know. 652 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,220 Speaker 3: I love the idea of doctors taking smoke breaks, too. 653 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,820 Speaker 3: I just, the concept of that is just really funny 654 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: to me. 655 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,220 Speaker 4: Or, like, you go to see the doctor, you're in, like, 656 00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 4: you know, his, like, his little room with him and, like, 657 00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 4: the nurse, and he's just, like, leaned over smoking on you, 658 00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 4: ashing right above you. 659 00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:34,810 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could smoke in hospitals back 660 00:32:34,830 --> 00:32:35,270 Speaker 2: in the day. 661 00:32:35,290 --> 00:32:35,510 Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. 662 00:32:35,550 --> 00:32:37,010 Speaker 2: In the waiting rooms, especially. 663 00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:37,770 Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean. 664 00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: I think we're all, we're at, we're of an age 665 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:43,340 Speaker 3: where we probably vaguely remember being able to smoke in airports. 666 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,610 Speaker 4: Oh, on, on airplanes. I remember the ashtrays being filled 667 00:32:46,670 --> 00:32:48,010 Speaker 4: with like the cigarette butts. 668 00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:48,510 Speaker 2: Definitely. 669 00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:53,350 Speaker 1: What you, uh, you real quick, Zarin, uh, Gut check. 670 00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:55,950 Speaker 1: You did fly on planes where you could smoke? 671 00:32:56,290 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. It was much later than people remember because 672 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,100 Speaker 4: the first time I flew was 1989. And there was 673 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,460 Speaker 4: still cigarettes allowed in the plane in 1989. There was 674 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,209 Speaker 4: a section. There was a smoking section. And the ashtrays 675 00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:09,450 Speaker 4: still had cigarette butts in them if you weren't in 676 00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:12,750 Speaker 4: the now new smoking section. So, yeah. And I also 677 00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:15,780 Speaker 4: remember in restaurants— people have in the smoking section and 678 00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 4: there's like nothing there's wasn't like filtration and like you 679 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 4: get in casinos now instead it was just smoke wafting 680 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,670 Speaker 4: over while you're eating your your you know your breakfast. 681 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: Casinos, by the way, the last bastion of indoor smoking. 682 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,580 Speaker 3: And they do have insane filtration systems. And now most 683 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 3: of them are moving away from, you know, just, you know, 684 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,620 Speaker 3: open smoking to like they have one little casino room 685 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:44,010 Speaker 3: with slot machines and, you know, where all the smokers go. 686 00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:47,450 Speaker 1: Before we continue, Max, I see you, man. You're having 687 00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:50,420 Speaker 1: like 17 million ideas at once. What's going on? 688 00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:55,010 Speaker 5: Okay, so I looked it up to back up Zarin's point. 689 00:33:55,010 --> 00:33:59,490 Speaker 5: 1988 is when the ban of smoking on planes first 690 00:33:59,530 --> 00:34:03,700 Speaker 5: came in. It was for flights under two hours. And 691 00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,260 Speaker 5: then in 1990, it was banned on flights under six hours. 692 00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:12,060 Speaker 5: It wasn't until 2000. 693 00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:13,940 Speaker 6: 2000 is when it banned for all flights. 694 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,390 Speaker 1: So they're saying in 1988, they're saying, Well, you know, 695 00:34:18,469 --> 00:34:21,529 Speaker 1: two hours and one minute in the air. What the 696 00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:23,690 Speaker 1: hell are we going to do? Tell people not to smoke? 697 00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:24,330 Speaker 2: Smoke up, Johnny. 698 00:34:24,489 --> 00:34:25,150 Speaker 3: They're great. 699 00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:28,149 Speaker 4: Got a bunch of jonesing passengers? No, thank you. 700 00:34:29,290 --> 00:34:31,460 Speaker 6: So like you go to New York, you're screwed. But 701 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,350 Speaker 6: you go into Seattle, absolutely light up. 702 00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:36,970 Speaker 1: And Noel, you were going to say you traveled a lot. 703 00:34:36,989 --> 00:34:38,570 Speaker 3: Oh, just when I was little, my mom was an 704 00:34:39,489 --> 00:34:43,700 Speaker 3: opera singer and she would be singing in different countries 705 00:34:43,739 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 3: and I would go and visit her. So I actually 706 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,339 Speaker 3: flew by myself a decent amount when I was pretty little. 707 00:34:48,739 --> 00:34:52,860 Speaker 3: And I absolutely flew in the late 80s and remember 708 00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:57,150 Speaker 3: exactly what Zarin's talking about. And weirdly, even after the cutoff, 709 00:34:57,450 --> 00:34:59,989 Speaker 3: obviously they didn't just immediately retrofit those planes to get 710 00:35:00,030 --> 00:35:00,700 Speaker 3: rid of the ashtrays. 711 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 4: Those ashtrays were around for years. Yes, totally true. 712 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: It's like seeing signs at your local gas stations that 713 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,460 Speaker 1: say unleaded only. 714 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,859 Speaker 2: Right. I want the leaded, man. 715 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,859 Speaker 1: Like at this point, what's going on? 716 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 717 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,130 Speaker 1: It's also, we also have to admit that around the world, 718 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: Smoking cigarettes is more normalized than it would be in California. 719 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: So you go to international airports, et cetera. There's always 720 00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: that one little room, right? Good place to meet weirdos. 721 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:34,980 Speaker 2: That's for sure. 722 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,430 Speaker 6: It's a great place to meet weirdos. 723 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,770 Speaker 1: So we're going to pause here for a moment. This 724 00:35:43,050 --> 00:35:47,850 Speaker 1: is a two-part episode. We've got the entire week with Zarin. Zarin, 725 00:35:47,950 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much. for coming on the show. Now, obviously, 726 00:35:51,739 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: through the magic of editing, you know everything that's going 727 00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:56,149 Speaker 1: to happen in episodes. 728 00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:58,410 Speaker 2: That pause for a moment was several days for you 729 00:35:58,489 --> 00:35:59,049 Speaker 2: out there. 730 00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:01,489 Speaker 4: Yes, pause for the cause. No, I'm stoked to be 731 00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:02,750 Speaker 4: part of this. Thank you all for having me. 732 00:36:03,110 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 2: The best, man. So much fun. 733 00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:07,860 Speaker 3: Huge thanks to Zarin, our guest. Huge thanks to Max. 734 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,700 Speaker 3: Say no, just say no, Williams. Alex Williams, who composed 735 00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 3: our theme. 736 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: Big, big thanks to A.J. Bahamas Jacobs, a.k.a. The Puzzler. 737 00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:22,210 Speaker 1: A tepid I know what you did to Jonathan Strickland, a.k.a. 738 00:36:22,270 --> 00:36:22,910 Speaker 2: The Quister. 739 00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:25,770 Speaker 3: Ben, did you know that if you lick Jonathan Strickland's 740 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:27,550 Speaker 3: bald head, nothing happens? 741 00:36:29,489 --> 00:36:31,180 Speaker 6: I to the test. That is true. 742 00:36:31,219 --> 00:36:33,819 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Thank you guys for being first to 743 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,300 Speaker 1: the post. 744 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: You had to try. 745 00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:40,070 Speaker 1: That's saving Zarin and I at a party for sure. 746 00:36:40,090 --> 00:36:41,350 Speaker 4: Instead of getting high, you get nigh. 747 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:41,750 Speaker 1: Okay. 748 00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:45,150 Speaker 2: Got to remember that. Exactly. He talks in a funny voice. 749 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:47,050 Speaker 2: He does. He does. 750 00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:47,870 Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh. 751 00:36:47,890 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: And he listens just for the credits, Zarin, by the way. Also, 752 00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:54,420 Speaker 1: at the end of every episode, we love to shout 753 00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: out Ridiculous Crime. 754 00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 3: And the Rude Dudes over at Ridiculous Crime. 755 00:36:58,380 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: If you like us, you'll like them, is what Ben 756 00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:00,339 Speaker 2: will say. 757 00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:02,620 Speaker 6: If you dig. 758 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: Us, you will love the Rude Dudes. So Zarin, how 759 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: would you describe the show to someone who's never heard it? 760 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 4: Well, as we always, we have our tagline. It's 99% 761 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 4: murder-free and 100% ridiculous. So it's true crime without the gore, 762 00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 4: without the blood. And we focus on Much more of 763 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:25,090 Speaker 4: like art crimes, book thefts, heists, forgeries, ridiculous scenarios, people 764 00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:27,190 Speaker 4: who think they're somebody that they are not, people who 765 00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:29,549 Speaker 4: pretend that they are somebody that they are not. And 766 00:37:29,739 --> 00:37:31,980 Speaker 4: it gets to the funny side of true crime. 767 00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:34,089 Speaker 3: And it turns out there's more than enough of these 768 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 3: kinds of stories to sustain your podcast for many years. 769 00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:37,700 Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness. 770 00:37:37,780 --> 00:37:38,100 Speaker 7: Are there? 771 00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 4: It is a literal treasure trove. And they keep making more. 772 00:37:41,739 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't stop. 773 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 3: I just remember when we first started this show, I 774 00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:47,340 Speaker 3: was worried that we were going to run out of 775 00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:50,549 Speaker 3: silly history stories. And the more you do this kind 776 00:37:50,590 --> 00:37:53,069 Speaker 3: of thing, these podcasts, the more you realize that life 777 00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:55,489 Speaker 3: just creates more weird stories for you. 778 00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:56,509 Speaker 2: Exactly. 779 00:37:57,030 --> 00:38:00,489 Speaker 1: Hey, Zarin, real quick, what are you, Elizabeth, and Dave 780 00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: working on next? Like, what's in the queue if you 781 00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:04,460 Speaker 1: got some spoilers? 782 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 2: Oh, OK. 783 00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:10,570 Speaker 4: Let's see. I just did one recently about the Black 784 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,230 Speaker 4: Tuna Gang, which is a bunch of people who were 785 00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:16,450 Speaker 4: the pot smugglers in the Florida area who set the 786 00:38:16,510 --> 00:38:20,100 Speaker 4: precedent for the cocaine dealers and the cocaine era of 787 00:38:20,140 --> 00:38:22,130 Speaker 4: the late 70s and early 80s. So it turns out. 788 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,460 Speaker 4: A bunch of like quasi hippies from the Philadelphia area 789 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,100 Speaker 4: went down to Miami and introduced the idea of like, 790 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,290 Speaker 4: you know, we need some go fast boats and we 791 00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:32,569 Speaker 4: need to go into these coves that nobody ever goes 792 00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:34,690 Speaker 4: to on the western side of Florida. And then we 793 00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:36,290 Speaker 4: can just spread this stuff around. We'll get a bunch 794 00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:39,489 Speaker 4: of big, nice houses. Nobody will look twice. It was 795 00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 4: like most of what the cocaine people then said, you 796 00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:44,660 Speaker 4: know what? That's a great model. Let's do that. But 797 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,339 Speaker 4: with a drug that's easier to move. 798 00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and also a little more innocuous and probably involved 799 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,049 Speaker 3: a lot less, like, gun crime. 800 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,890 Speaker 2: Oh, God, yes. That was the big difference. 801 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,620 Speaker 4: Suddenly the murder rates went ratcheting up, and that's when 802 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,020 Speaker 4: everyone was like, let's throw billions of dollars at stopping this. 803 00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,299 Speaker 4: Because before it was like, maybe we got, like, four 804 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 4: DEA agents in Florida, and now it's, like, you know, hundreds. 805 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: I can't wait. 806 00:39:05,060 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: I didn't know about that at all, Zarin. I can't 807 00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:07,299 Speaker 2: wait to check that out. 808 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,660 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to check that out. Thank you 809 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,379 Speaker 1: again so much, Zarin, and everybody tune in later this week. 810 00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: If you are feeling like an irritated reindeer or a 811 00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:22,089 Speaker 1: fussy baby, boy, do we have news for you. 812 00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:23,450 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. 813 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,420 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 814 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,540 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.