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Speaker 2: Anytime I've come to see you, Angelaeve, my energy just

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who you know, end up

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Speaker 1: and it's not an easy thing to still be in

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Speaker 2: I'm independent, you know, be independent, Yes, independent and doing

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Speaker 2: We have to make sure that we document it ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, So that became just as important as

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Speaker 2: It was open. That lane was opened, you know, because

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Speaker 2: I think we should stay right here. I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 1: All right? So then so showing the videos, making the videos,

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Speaker 2: you know, like somebody said they need your help here, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: That was listen. That video was amazing. That video spawned

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Speaker 2: Right. It was like, what is he talking about? And

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Speaker 2: I need footage for this, and that's how we would

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Speaker 1: You have footage of everybody?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's how it starts, all right.

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Speaker 1: So so we talked about the movies and then we

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Speaker 2: We got another one coming.

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Speaker 1: Oh, another one coming.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it's it's called Virtual Virtual hip Hop, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, y see. I like that. And that's what I'm

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Speaker 2: I think that kids want to know about, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's like it is what it is, like just let

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Speaker 2: But I like it. It looked as long as they on

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Speaker 1: But that's going to be amazing. And it's also going

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Speaker 1: to be at Brooklyn Bowl, Yes, which is an amazing

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Speaker 1: And listen, the party is always good when there's women.

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Speaker 1: Because it used to be like if you want to

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Speaker 2: Get in exactly right. Yeah, you'd be left outside, be

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Speaker 1: So this is going to be from now on like

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Speaker 2: I think that if Brooklyn Bowl is down, I'm down,

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Speaker 2: like in the past, you know, quest Love had a

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Speaker 1: Right. The other day, when I was interviewing Tretch, I

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's it's a time for Look, if

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Speaker 1: Like the early right early, going home.

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Speaker 2: I'm on that couch and I'm chilling, you know, So

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Speaker 2: this is for that crew. You work every day. You

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Speaker 2: still work every day, you still do your thing. You

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Speaker 2: come out enjoy yourself. It's on a Friday this time.

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Speaker 2: Last time was on Thursday. So now you have no excuse.

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Speaker 2: You can sleeping on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: June twentieth and I think we got to bust out

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Speaker 1: the old school camera and let people do shoutouts.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh no, that's part of the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, goes, I said, that's got to be part of

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Speaker 2: That's part of the experience. Look, look, look, Angelou, we're

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Speaker 1: Okay, I like it a backdrops.

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Speaker 2: Backdrops Nicky and Minnie. That's how we're doing it now.

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Speaker 1: I know there's other things that we may not know

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Speaker 1: that you're working on. So give us a little tea

436
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,119
Speaker 1: on that. Like any other documentaries, I know you have

437
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,400
Speaker 1: a ton of archive of footage. What's the plan now,

438
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,600
Speaker 1: because you just have so much you could be doing.

439
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,119
Speaker 1: I know people hitting you up all the time, But

440
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 1: for Uncle Ralph, what do you feel like? This is

441
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 1: what my next big project I want to be I

442
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:04,600
Speaker 1: think for me.

443
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 2: Is completing the archiving of the of the video Musy

444
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,760
Speaker 2: Boss Collection, which is a thing. It's like the Rockefeller Collection,

445
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,720
Speaker 2: you know, That's the way I look at it. Its

446
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 2: value is amazing because I didn't know when I was

447
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,000
Speaker 2: shooting that this was gonna be what it is today,

448
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 2: and so making sure that that's complete. And the reason

449
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,639
Speaker 2: why is that this way we could tell our story

450
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 2: from a first hand person that was there. You know,

451
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm archiving, I'm saying this is what happened, because sometimes

452
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 2: you read stuff about yourself and that, oh she was

453
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 2: in California, and just know that was in Brooklyn. With that,

454
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 2: you know the translation, don't.

455
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,720
Speaker 1: No matter what it was, I wasn't there, right, I

456
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but no, I didn't know this.

457
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 2: Was on no Stron Avenue. I know the spots she

458
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 2: was at, I know the background. So we want to

459
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 2: make sure that we get all our information right and

460
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,919
Speaker 2: as we tell our story. That's a big part to

461
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 2: me too. And I don't care if it's hip hop

462
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. You know, get your information right,

463
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 2: and this way we can put it in a hip

464
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 2: hop museum that's coming to the Bronx in twenty twenty seven.

465
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,639
Speaker 2: It's coming soon, so we could put it there and

466
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 2: people can go and see it, and people can use

467
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 2: it as a reference if they're working on another documentary

468
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. It's there and it exists. It's

469
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 2: a living body of work that you can do whatever

470
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 2: you can. You could tell you like the clothes, the wardrobe,

471
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 2: the hairstyles, the dances we talked about, all of that

472
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 2: you can reference in my stuff is other than the

473
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 2: artists and the music.

474
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Fubu, it's April Walker, it's all of

475
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,479
Speaker 1: the all of the clothing brands. Let me ask you this,

476
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 1: what's something that you found in the archives that you're like,

477
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: damn that you have not put out there yet, but

478
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 1: you like, this's the whole.

479
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 2: Doctor Dre interview, which is pretty rare in New York.

480
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 2: And sometimes I forget that some of the West Coast

481
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 2: artists that I that I did stuff with because I

482
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 2: didn't see them as much and they usually just came

483
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 2: here to do like interviews and things like that. But

484
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 2: I got some great like West Coast artists like Dre,

485
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 2: And people think because I'm an East Coast guy that

486
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 2: I don't have this, but now everybody came to New

487
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: York back in day, that's where all the media was at.

488
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 2: You had to come to New York. So yeah, no,

489
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 2: I got some great stuff.

490
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Speaker 1: I mean it amazed that'd be for so strong between

491
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: the East and the West at that time. That it

492
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: is rare to see, like an interview where you might

493
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: have a doctor Dre right now, you don't.

494
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: That was rare. Ice Cbe might see but Dre and Snoop,

495
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: well Snoop maybe, but Dre definitely not right.

496
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: He don't even have to go nowhere. Ever, Yes, anew

497
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: today is rare, you know, to see of doctor Dre.

498
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Speaker 2: I think that I think that it's important that that

499
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: people know. And I always tell this, you know, even

500
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 2: you know guys from from Atlanta, like like Outcasting. You know,

501
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: I always say, Andre three thousand doesn't know how much

502
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: love we had for him in New York and he

503
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: used to feel like we didn't give him love. I said, no,

504
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: that was the industry, that wasn't the people we love.

505
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: I remember going to see Outcasts and the Fujis perform

506
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: in New York right together, and that was so exciting.

507
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: To like for both groups because it's not like we

508
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: got to see our cast but there. I remember Uncle

509
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: Luke saying he didn't get love here. It was hard

510
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: for them back then to come to New York.

511
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: Me and Red Alert played Uncle Luke to death.

512
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, yes, y'all did.

513
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely like we got in trouble playing and

514
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 2: some of them two Lives, Two Live Crew songs, yeah.

515
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right. It probably is more of an industry

516
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: thing because people some of those songs they crossed every boundary.

517
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when you was in the club and

518
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: Red put on you know what you call them, mom.

519
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 2: I can't remember the big song they had.

520
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: But whatever, it was the birthday song.

521
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your birthday that he went crazy still to

522
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: this day because they were you know what. College also

523
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: made that transition, right, that that that relationship work because

524
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: if you was going to school anywhere past Washington, d C.

525
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: You knew all of those southern songs, right.

526
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like spring Flings, those were always the big Yeah.

527
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: I have memories, yes, yes, yeah, easy easy, angela Ye,

528
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: you have to do a documentary and listen, and I

529
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: do have to ask you, like you see some of

530
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: these celebrities that you've known personally firsthand. Like we're watching everything,

531
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: are you paying attention to, like the whole Diddy trial,

532
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: Like I.

533
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 2: Am, Yeah, it's it's you know, I told somebody you know,

534
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: and you know you're get in trouble when you say

535
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: certain things, but I'll say it, you know, Like I

536
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: watched Diddy from when he was seventeen. He was the

537
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: stage manager for me, hosting a show on at Harlem

538
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 2: Week when he was a kid, and I go, you

539
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: got the next act? And he go, yeah, okay, right,

540
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: and then that's how I met him. And then he's

541
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: he's choreographing Joe to see dancing behind father him, see

542
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: a video that everything's going to be all right, Thing's

543
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: going to be all right. Yeah right, and he's coming

544
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: up and I'm watching him. He's I'm like, he's doing it.

545
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: He's in it. And and then he gets bad Boy

546
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: and then he does whatever he does, and then he

547
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: has a school in Harlem and he's doing all these

548
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: things and all these kids are employed. And I meet

549
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: young kids that I worked for bad Boy and they

550
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 2: mad happy, like that meant something I worked for. And

551
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: now to watch where it's at today This was not

552
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: the plan, right, This was not the plan and it

553
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: really really wrong. And I hope that you know, it

554
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: works out for everybody, but you know, sometimes this is

555
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: we in a time of reality right now. So be

556
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: careful what you do out there, you know, because I'm

557
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: pretty sure he's not the only one that had things

558
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: that they did and not saying that it was illegal

559
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: what he did, but it might not have been right.

560
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he was legal, but it might

561
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: not have been right, and his soul knows that now,

562
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: you know, because it's got you know, sometimes it got

563
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: to be slow down a little bit.

564
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: How did you manage to avoid issues yourself? I don't

565
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: there's no bad Ralph McDaniel stories out I mean, I'm.

566
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: Pretty sure I was an idiot in certain cases. You know,

567
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, you know, because but you know, as

568
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: I got older, I just was like I didn't care.

569
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't worry about things like I used to. But

570
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: when you're younger, you think that this is it. If

571
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: I don't get this one hundred percent right, it's gonna

572
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: affect my career. And you do things that you know

573
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: may not be the right thing. You know, you're trying

574
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: to aggressively make something happen, So that means you're pressing

575
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: somebody or whatever you're doing. And but I don't you know,

576
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: I stopped at that point because I realized that God

577
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: is in charge, you know, and and and me, you know,

578
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: like I'm cool, I'm good with me. You know, I'm

579
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: good with me. So that's what when you're young, you

580
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 2: don't think like that.

581
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, people have to think about the future and the

582
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: bigger picture. It's not just today. But if what I'm

583
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: doing now, is this going to affect what happens later

584
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: and affect other people? Because the last thing you want

585
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: is to always be looking over your shoulder, like who's

586
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: going to tell the truth about something I did?

587
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you you want to just look Just stay

588
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: out of the way. Most of the time, we get

589
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: in the way of ourselves because we think we can

590
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: control everything and you can't. I don't care what happens.

591
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: The Knicks are going to win the series.

592
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you just all right now, we're going to play

593
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: this back. I'm going to keep this clip, and so

594
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: we're going to see what happens. You do that, because

595
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: they have to win the next three games in a

596
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: row exactly and you feel good about it, right, Okay,

597
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: you hear me, you feel me all right? Listen, make

598
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: sure you guys check out Ralph McDaniel's and Late Development

599
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: present the Video Music Box Experience featuring Ralph McDaniels and friends.

600
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: You guys will have a good time. You can go

601
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,239
Speaker 1: set it off because Strafa is going to be their

602
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: performance too, right, that's gonna be a big deal.

603
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a line.

604
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: That's a line. Dance right there. Get your fans ready.

605
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: But you guys can get tickets. You can go to

606
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bowl dot com. Make sure you follow at Video

607
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: Music Box and you will have a time. It's just so,

608
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: it's amazing to see where we whoever thought that hip

609
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: hop would make it this far right, it's way up