WEBVTT - The Nutcracker

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, the production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Robert.

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<v Speaker 3>Lamb and I am Joe McCormick. And ooh, I can

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<v Speaker 3>almost smell hot cocoa and peppermint. Because the Christmas spirit

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<v Speaker 3>is alive today where we're doing our holiday episode and

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to be talking about the Nutcracker as promised

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<v Speaker 3>in the last episode.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right on Tuesday, we discussed the rat King and

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<v Speaker 2>of course how that relates to the Mouse King, the

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<v Speaker 2>enemy of the Nutcracker from the original source material for

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<v Speaker 2>Chaikowsky's eighteen ninety two ballet. We talked about this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the work of German dark romantic author E. Ta Hoffman

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<v Speaker 2>and eighteen sixteen short story titled The Nutcracker in the

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<v Speaker 2>Mouse King. So we talked a good bit about monstrous,

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<v Speaker 2>multi headed rats, and the original short story does feature

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<v Speaker 2>some just horrific visions of this dreaded entity. But today

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to talk about the protagonist of this story. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Nutcracker. Rob.

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<v Speaker 3>When you were a kid, did your family have like

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<v Speaker 3>a classic style Christmas decoration nutcracker with the lever and

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<v Speaker 3>the jaw.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we always had one around, or there was

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<v Speaker 2>at least a Christmas ornament that had a nutcracker on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't remember. We certainly did not have a

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<v Speaker 2>functional nutcracker, at least as far as I can recall.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember enjoying the creepy inhuman mechanics of how far

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<v Speaker 3>the jaw would open, and the very the squareness of it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I like the fact that it had corners

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<v Speaker 3>and it was almost like the pharyngeal jaw of like

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<v Speaker 3>the xenomor for something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know. And it's something that you can

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<v Speaker 2>toy around with. Yeah, And even if it's decorative and

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<v Speaker 2>you're a kid, if you're left alone with it, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna end up trying to crack some nuts in that

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<v Speaker 2>weird jaw of the nutcracker. Now, I feel like most

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<v Speaker 2>of you know exactly what sort of nutcrackers I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about here. You know, he's an old timey soldier or

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<v Speaker 2>king standing up made out of woods, a tall hat,

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<v Speaker 2>big teeth, and a movable jaw that works via a lever.

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<v Speaker 2>So the lever is positioned on the nutcracker's back. You

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<v Speaker 2>pull up on the lever and this opens the jaw.

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<v Speaker 2>Insert a nut, push down on the lever, or pull

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<v Speaker 2>down on the lever, squeeze down on the lever, however

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<v Speaker 2>you apply it, and the forest is going to cause

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<v Speaker 2>the jaws and a nutcracker to close, cracking the nut.

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<v Speaker 2>That is, of course, if you're using a functional wooden nutcracker.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of the ones you encounter today are purely decorative.

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<v Speaker 2>They were never meant to actually crack a nut. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them even have like little capes on, clearly making

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<v Speaker 2>the lever inaccessible if there even is a lever back there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I recall thinking this about the nutcrackers of my youth.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like, this does feel flimsy. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if it would stand up to a nut.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Many times we don't even need to crack the nuts, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting we're receiving our nuts already in some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a snack mix. They've already been cracked. Uh. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>cracking is not entirely necessary. You get a nice bag

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<v Speaker 2>of pistachios, they are only gonna be those problem pistachios

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<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna have to crack later. The rest you

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<v Speaker 2>can open by getting your your you know your salty

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<v Speaker 2>fingers in there and then eventually like having to to

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<v Speaker 2>slip your fingernail into the into the crevice and pry

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<v Speaker 2>them open that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh but if you apply force in just the wrong way,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll kind of like nick your nail and pull it

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<v Speaker 3>back for creepy feeling. I don't like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's satisfying, you know. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things that is it's like deeply embedded in our genes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the idea that oh, here's a nut, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to crack it, and then I've got this sweet

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<v Speaker 2>reward and now I'm going to keep doing it again

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<v Speaker 2>and again.

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<v Speaker 3>It does feel so biologically deep that it's like one

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<v Speaker 3>of our primary metaphors for just solving a problem, cracking

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<v Speaker 3>a nut.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, got to crack that nut. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>problem to be solved, but there is a reward, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's got to be a way into it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>at least this is often like a you can't just

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<v Speaker 2>give up on that pistachio that can't be opened or

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<v Speaker 2>that nut that seemingly can't be cracked, because you know

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<v Speaker 2>there's something good in there now. Quick anthropology note, there

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<v Speaker 2>is a primate species. This is Parenthepus boise Eye, which

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<v Speaker 2>upon discovery in nineteen fifty nine was dubbed nutcracker Man

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<v Speaker 2>due to the skulls, large back teeth and jaws. I

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<v Speaker 2>included an image of a reconstruction of this particular skull

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<v Speaker 2>for you here, Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, this looks like the opposite of my childhood nutcracker.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the owner of the skull could have

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<v Speaker 3>dominated some nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>This would make for an interesting monstrous adaptation of the

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<v Speaker 2>nutcracker and the mouse king. Have your multi headed mouse

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<v Speaker 2>king and all fierce and disturbing, but then also have

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<v Speaker 2>your nutcracker b Nutcracker Man. Now we'll dive into deeper

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<v Speaker 2>history concerning just nutcracking here in a minute. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into other traditional ways of cracking nut, some

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<v Speaker 2>anthropomorphic in name nature as well, like our nutcracker soldier.

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<v Speaker 2>But first let's get to know the wooden German nutcracker

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit better. So, in looking around for various sources,

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<v Speaker 2>there does seem to be one individual in particular who

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<v Speaker 2>stands out, and it's the nutcracker Lady, and that's Arlene Wagner, who,

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<v Speaker 2>as an author has written books about nutcrackers and is

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<v Speaker 2>also the co founder of the Really Fun Looking Nutcracker

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<v Speaker 2>Museum in Levenworth, Washington. And she points out that standing

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<v Speaker 2>wooden nutcrackers like these, like the traditional holiday nutcracker as

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<v Speaker 2>we know them, These were known in nineteenth century German

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<v Speaker 2>as nousnachers, listed as such in the Dictionary of the

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers Grim. Many of these were made in the Erzgeberge

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<v Speaker 2>region and would have been the ones to inspire Hoffmann

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<v Speaker 2>in his writing of the Nutcracker and the Mouse King.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were not all powered by lever. As it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out, some of these were powered by screw. I

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<v Speaker 2>included an image of a screw based nutcracking nut for

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<v Speaker 2>you here, Joe m.

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<v Speaker 3>But they've all got that, whether it's screw or lever,

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<v Speaker 3>they've all got the mustache.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the mustache is essential, as is the tall hat.

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<v Speaker 2>But the screw guy he has just kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a wide circular mouth sort of a mouth, and in

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<v Speaker 2>there you see the screw. Like basically you would just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, drive the screw home into the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the nut and the gradual force would bust it.

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<v Speaker 3>With the screw guy. I kind of missed the mouth

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<v Speaker 3>of sare on style teeth that we have in the

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<v Speaker 3>ones with the levers.

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<v Speaker 2>It does seem like a design misstep because part of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole fun that, like, the whole reason you would

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<v Speaker 2>imagine that someone created a humanoid nutcracker is because it

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<v Speaker 2>moves like a jaw and you're putting something into this

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<v Speaker 2>little guy's mouth and making him smash it. This guy

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<v Speaker 2>with a screw that comes down from the roof of

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<v Speaker 2>his mouth like down through his pallet to to break

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<v Speaker 2>open the nut like this just it doesn't it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel as natural. It feels like someone improved upon the

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<v Speaker 2>design and destroy the spirit and the pros. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>these are also classic nutcrackers, fair enough now, Apparently there

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit more variety in the design until around

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen seventy two when one Wilhelm of Fuckner produced the

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<v Speaker 2>first commercial nutcrackers based on like one singular design and

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<v Speaker 2>this was not like a factory situation, It was just

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<v Speaker 2>using a lathe. But this apparently kickstarted sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>canonization of what a nutcracker is and what it should

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<v Speaker 2>look like, and his family still produces these. According to

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Rosenblatt, who wrote an article on Atlas Obscura just

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this month about the history of the nutcracker. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Wagner writes, the decorative wooden European nutcrackers in general, like

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily soldiers, date back to the fifteenth and sixteenth

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<v Speaker 2>centuries in England and France, and these traditions continued on

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<v Speaker 2>during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. So you saw a

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<v Speaker 2>great deal of ornate wooden nutcracker or craftsmanship eventually in

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<v Speaker 2>the alpine regions of Germany and Italy. Because again, there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing about a nutcracker that demands that it be shaped

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<v Speaker 2>like a soldier. We're talking about a tool that is

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<v Speaker 2>a simple lever, and then at various points people have

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<v Speaker 2>decided to fancy it up a bit because you can

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<v Speaker 2>just have something that is, you know, crabcloth crunchers are

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<v Speaker 2>basically the same thing crackers, just a simple lever to

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<v Speaker 2>allow you to apply the necessary force to break a

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<v Speaker 2>shell open, be it the cell of a crustacean or

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<v Speaker 2>the shell of a nut. But people just end up

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<v Speaker 2>having fun with it, creating luxury items even that are

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<v Speaker 2>still to some degree functional, and then in doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can't help but let your imagination run wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the mouth of a man, Is it the

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<v Speaker 2>mouth of a beast, the legs of a beast? Perhaps,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, perhaps it has nothing to do with actual

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<v Speaker 2>anatomical movements. You just want to add some beautiful motifs

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<v Speaker 2>to the overall nutcracker. Now, according to Noreen Malone, writing

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<v Speaker 2>for Slate and twenty ten, the German nutcracker dolls the

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<v Speaker 2>standard ones that we're talking about here that look like

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers were at least considered good luck in German traditions,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've seen other sources at least loosely allude to

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of apotropaic properties as well. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that it's this soldier is going to frighten a

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<v Speaker 2>way evil spirits or bad luck or something to that effect.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, the idea that something not only as

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<v Speaker 2>could be lucky, but it could also keep ill luck,

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<v Speaker 2>keep bad spirits away. This, of course, is not uncommon

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<v Speaker 2>with artifacts of this basic nature, you know, because look

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<v Speaker 2>at the standard nutcracker. It has a fierce face. Oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>it has kind of big and alarming eyes, and certainly

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<v Speaker 2>it's not blinking. So you can imagine easily leaning into

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of putting this character on guard against your enemies.

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<v Speaker 3>This seems to connect with traditions as old as the

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<v Speaker 3>ones we talked about in our series on necromancy the

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<v Speaker 3>suck in ancient Mesopotamia, where you would have these little

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<v Speaker 3>figurines that might look like a warrior or king or

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<v Speaker 3>something that would be there to ward off ghosts and

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<v Speaker 3>demons that might want to attack you in your sleeve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so perhaps Hoffman was playing with this concept

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit in his writing of the original Nutcracker story.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Nutcracker is a protector in this, but

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<v Speaker 2>also he turns things on its head. He is also

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<v Speaker 2>something that needs protecting. He needs to be protected by Marie.

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<v Speaker 2>I should point out that, yes, the little girl's name

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<v Speaker 2>is Marie in the original story, even though I believe

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<v Speaker 2>she becomes Clara in the Nutcracker ballet. So we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>back to traditions of nutcracking technology here in a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But to give this the proper sort of invention treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>we really need to go back before that. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to get back to the basic idea of cracking nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>And indeed, why crack a nut anyway? And why does

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<v Speaker 2>the nut need to be cracked? Great question? So what

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<v Speaker 2>are nuts? We know them when we see them, and

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<v Speaker 2>we can list a bunch of examples, but botanically what

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<v Speaker 2>are they? And I've actually found some rather different definitions

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<v Speaker 2>offered in seemingly authoritative sources. But to synthesize as best

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<v Speaker 2>I can, here are the main points.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, nuts are fruits. Huh, Yes, they are fruits.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't usually think of them this way, so this

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<v Speaker 3>raises the question, going one step back further, what is

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<v Speaker 3>a fruit? In a botanical sense, a fruit is usually

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<v Speaker 3>defined as the mature, ripened ovary of a flowering plant,

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<v Speaker 3>which contains the plants seed or seeds. So, according to

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<v Speaker 3>scientific classification, fruits include lots of foods we do normally

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<v Speaker 3>think of as fruits, like apples, peaches, and oranges, but

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<v Speaker 3>lots of other fleshy things that grow off of plants

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't usually think of as fruits, even foods

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<v Speaker 3>like cucumbers, tomatoes, avocados, and chili peppers, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>technically even grains like wheat and oats are a type

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<v Speaker 3>of fruit. So a fruit is a mass that grows

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<v Speaker 3>from the reproductive structure of a flour and ends up

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<v Speaker 3>containing or bearing the fertilized seed of that plant. The

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<v Speaker 3>form of the fruit is designed by evolution to help

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<v Speaker 3>the seeds disperse, which could mean taking the form of

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<v Speaker 3>a delicious snack that animals will want to eat and

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<v Speaker 3>then swallow and then deposit elsewhere in a nice, healthy

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<v Speaker 3>pile of dung. But there are other animal dispersal strategies

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get to in a minute. So, according to the

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<v Speaker 3>Encyclopedia of Fruit and Nuts edited by Yonick and Paul,

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<v Speaker 3>nuts are a specialized subcategory of fruit quote, characterized by

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<v Speaker 3>a hard shell that is separable from a firmer inner kernel.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a fruit that's got an inside kernel and

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<v Speaker 3>a hard shell on the outside. Now, to offer some

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<v Speaker 3>of these contrasting definitions, I found a different source by

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<v Speaker 3>the USDA Forest Service that claimed that quote, nuts are

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<v Speaker 3>strictly a particular kind of dry fruit that has a

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<v Speaker 3>single seed, a hard shell, and a protective husk. Also

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<v Speaker 3>adding to the confusion is the fact that there are

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<v Speaker 3>some things that are generally classified as nuts by people,

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<v Speaker 3>but are not nuts in the botanical sense. Classic example

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<v Speaker 3>is a peanut. These are technically legumes, And in this episode,

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<v Speaker 3>I am sure we will casually refer to some of

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<v Speaker 3>these false nuts as nuts. It's just going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Just be aware that some quote nuts are not technically nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>But to come back to the synthesis definition here, among

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<v Speaker 3>other possible criteria like bearing a single seed, or having

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<v Speaker 3>a husk, or maybe having high oil content or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that, the common thread seems to be that nuts

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<v Speaker 3>are fruits that evolved a hard shell. But why how

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<v Speaker 3>does the plant benefit from having a hard shell around

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<v Speaker 3>its fruit and seed as opposed to a nice soft

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<v Speaker 3>fleshy seed capsule like a tomato or like any of

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<v Speaker 3>these other soft fleshy fruits where the plant, in an

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<v Speaker 3>evolutionary sense, wants the animal to gobble them up and

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<v Speaker 3>carry them away and poove them out Somewhere. Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>found a paper that explains one important evolutionary strategy of

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<v Speaker 3>nut bearing plants, and I think this is really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>So the paper was by Stephen B. Vanderwal called How

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<v Speaker 3>Plants Manipulate the scatter hoarding behavior of seed dispersing Animals,

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<v Speaker 3>published in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society b Biological

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<v Speaker 3>Sciences in twenty ten. So this paper is about interactions

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<v Speaker 3>between plants and animals, particularly plants and an animal behavior

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<v Speaker 3>called scatter hoarding, in which the animal and you can

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<v Speaker 3>picture a squirrel, but there are a bunch of different

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of animals that do this as well, primarily birds

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<v Speaker 3>and rodents, in which the animal or the squirrel will

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<v Speaker 3>collect a bunch of food items in hidden caches to

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<v Speaker 3>be stored for later. So, our squirrel runs around gathering

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<v Speaker 3>up a bunch of nuts fallen from under a tree,

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<v Speaker 3>and instead of eating them right away, the squirrel will

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<v Speaker 3>carry them off to bury or hide somewhere for later,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe in lots of locations all around the squirrel's territory. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>why does this benefit the plant for the squirrel or

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<v Speaker 3>other animal to do this or run off with a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of nuts, take them somewhere else and bury them. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>in some cases, the storage caches of plant seeds will

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<v Speaker 3>benefit from reproductive fitness enhancements via animal dispersal. And we've

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<v Speaker 3>talked on the show before about the reasons that it

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<v Speaker 3>is good for a plant to have its seeds dispersed

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<v Speaker 3>geographically away, taken away from the parent plant. There are

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<v Speaker 3>multiple reasons for this, but just one example is now,

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<v Speaker 3>if they're dispersed far away, the offspring plant will not

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<v Speaker 3>have to compete with the parent plant for access to sunlight.

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<v Speaker 3>Parent and child will not be fighting against one another

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<v Speaker 3>to get the sun. But in many cases, these scatter

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<v Speaker 3>hoarded caches will be forgotten or otherwise abandoned by the

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<v Speaker 3>animal that made them, allowing the seeds to germinate and

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<v Speaker 3>grow in the places they were hidden. So squirrel takes

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of nuts, stashes them all over the place,

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<v Speaker 3>buries them, hides them. The squirrel will go back and

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<v Speaker 3>get some of them later and eat them, but some

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<v Speaker 3>of them the squirrels never going to get again, and

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<v Speaker 3>they'll just be wherever they are and they might have

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<v Speaker 3>a chance to sprout and grow.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, the world can be pretty rough on a squirrel,

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<v Speaker 2>so even if the squirrel remembers where those nuts are,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean that squirrel is going to be around

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<v Speaker 2>to come back and claim them later on.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So, Vanderwald explains how plants have evolved to encourage

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<v Speaker 3>scatter hoarding behavior in animals and why it helps them.

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<v Speaker 3>So that you know it is good for the plant

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<v Speaker 3>to get animals to practice scatter hoarding with its seeds,

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<v Speaker 3>how does it get the animals to do that? First

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<v Speaker 3>of all, by producing seeds that are delicious and nutritious,

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<v Speaker 3>so they are highly attractive to animals as a food.

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<v Speaker 3>But second, here's the important one for our question about

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<v Speaker 3>why why nuts have hard shells, by imposing what Vanderwald

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<v Speaker 3>calls handling costs that mean the animal cannot feasibly eat

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<v Speaker 3>all of the seeds immediately upon discovery. And there are

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<v Speaker 3>two main strategies mentioned for increasing these handling costs. One

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<v Speaker 3>is by lacing the nutritious seed or fruit with chemicals

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<v Speaker 3>that make it hard to digest, such as tannins, which

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<v Speaker 3>kind of slows down the buffet. But then the second

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<v Speaker 3>thing is by putting in place physical barriers that take

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<v Speaker 3>time and energy to break through. So here's our hard

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<v Speaker 3>outer nutshell. The hard shell of a nut makes it

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<v Speaker 3>impossible for the squirrel to just gobble up all of

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<v Speaker 3>the fruits immediately. They want that good stuff inside. Each

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<v Speaker 3>one is going to take time and energy to open

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<v Speaker 3>an access, so the animal is encouraged to take the

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<v Speaker 3>nuts away and hide them for later. Now, there are

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<v Speaker 3>a couple more strategies Vanderwall mentions as well. One is masting.

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<v Speaker 3>This is quote where a population of plants synchronizes reproductive effort,

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<v Speaker 3>producing large nut crops at intervals of several years. Massed

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<v Speaker 3>crops not only satiate seed predators but also increase the

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<v Speaker 3>amount of seed dispersal because scatter hoarding animals are not

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<v Speaker 3>easily satiated during cashing, causing animals to store more food

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<v Speaker 3>than they can consume, but are satiated during cash recovery.

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<v Speaker 3>So does that makes sense. There's a lot of nuts,

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<v Speaker 3>and because they take time to get into, the scatter

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<v Speaker 3>hoarding animal is going to be hungry while they're gathering

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<v Speaker 3>all these nuts, so it just encourages them to keep

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<v Speaker 3>gathering more and more nuts and storing them and planting

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<v Speaker 3>them for the plant. But then they will get full

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<v Speaker 3>on these nuts when it's finally time to recover the

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<v Speaker 3>cash and crack them open and eat them, so they're

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<v Speaker 3>probably not going to get to all of the stuff

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<v Speaker 3>they stored.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically exploiting a real eyes bigger than one's stomach sort

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<v Speaker 2>of situation with the squirrels exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the last strategy mentioned here is by having

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<v Speaker 3>seeds that don't put off strong smells, making them harder

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<v Speaker 3>for the animal to find later after they are hidden.

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<v Speaker 3>So really just sort of helping the squirrel or bird

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever animal forget where it put some of its nuts. So,

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<v Speaker 3>according to this theory, hard nutshells are part of a

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<v Speaker 3>suite of strategies used by plants to aid in seed

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<v Speaker 3>dispersal by animals like birds and rodents, which makes it

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<v Speaker 3>more difficult for the animal to eat the nut, making

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<v Speaker 3>it more likely that the animal will carry the nut

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<v Speaker 3>off and hide it or bury it somewhere later and

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<v Speaker 3>then possibly forget about it or for whatever reason, never

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<v Speaker 3>come back to it, allowing the plant to germinate in

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<v Speaker 3>its hiding place. Hard nutshells you could think of sort

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<v Speaker 3>of like a speed bump in the eating process. They

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<v Speaker 3>make it hard for the bird or the rodent or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever to just like blaze through whatever it finds that

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<v Speaker 3>it can't just eat it all at once, but to

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<v Speaker 3>come back at this. From the animal's perspective, nuts are great.

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<v Speaker 3>Animals want to eat them, so how to get the

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<v Speaker 3>good part out? Animals do have strategies for getting at

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<v Speaker 3>those good parts, Even if while benefiting from the nuts

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<v Speaker 3>they do crack open and eat, they're sort of inadvertently

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<v Speaker 3>helping the plant by not getting to a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the nuts they store. Let's look at a few strategies here.

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<v Speaker 3>One is brute force, you know, teeth, jaws, beaks, or bills,

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<v Speaker 3>and other intrinsic mechanisms that allow an animal to crack

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<v Speaker 3>or punch through hard nutshells. We've already mentioned that rodents

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<v Speaker 3>are a major consumer of nuts in the wild, but

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<v Speaker 3>also other hard substances, and rodents, like rats, squirrels, and beavers,

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<v Speaker 3>have an adaptation that helps them in this regard, which

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<v Speaker 3>is there incisors, pairs of front teeth at the top

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<v Speaker 3>and bottom that, unlike our teeth, continuously grow throughout the

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<v Speaker 3>rodent's life. So this means rodents must gnaw on things

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<v Speaker 3>and also must grind their front teeth to maintain good

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<v Speaker 3>dental health. Rat incisors not worn down by continuous gnawing

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<v Speaker 3>can grow into a bizarre, unsettling spiral shapes they go off,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is obviously really bad for the rat. And

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<v Speaker 3>while having teeth like this imposes a burden to constantly

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<v Speaker 3>be gnawing and grinding the teeth together, it also helps

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<v Speaker 3>equip rodents to put their front teeth through some serious

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<v Speaker 3>abuse because the teeth will just continue growing in and

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<v Speaker 3>the grinding will continue to sharpen them, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if an adult human cracks a tooth, that's that's sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a permanent problem. Rodents like rats can just let

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<v Speaker 3>their teeth keep growing in so they can put them

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<v Speaker 3>through a lot. Rodents like rats also have very strong

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<v Speaker 3>and specially adapted jaw muscles for their size, specifically the

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<v Speaker 3>massive muscles, and they're special teeth and chewing muscles help

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<v Speaker 3>them cut through tough barriers like nutshells. Of course, on

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<v Speaker 3>the larger end of the animal spectrum, you've got bigger

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<v Speaker 3>animals that just have big teeth, big jaws that can

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<v Speaker 3>pretty easily crush through nutshells, for example elephants and some

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<v Speaker 3>wild pigs. You know, if you've got big enough jaws

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<v Speaker 3>and teeth and stuff, crushing a nutshell isn't that hard.

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<v Speaker 3>I even found one report of gorillas allegedly cracking nuts

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<v Speaker 3>with their teeth, so there's some question about to what

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<v Speaker 3>extent this comes with significant risk of tooth damage to

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<v Speaker 3>the gorilla. And then also some birds such as like

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<v Speaker 3>Jay's blue jays, will collect nuts so that they can

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<v Speaker 3>break through nutshells with their bills, But some other animals

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<v Speaker 3>have a different strategy, which is just you know, swallow

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<v Speaker 3>the nuts whole and let the gizzard work it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Wild turkeys are an example here. Turkeys eat a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of nuts, such as wild pecans, but they don't bother

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<v Speaker 3>cracking them or chewing them that there's just no need.

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<v Speaker 3>They gulp the whole thing, shell and all, and then

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<v Speaker 3>it goes to the gizzard, and the gizzard works essentially

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<v Speaker 3>like an internal jaw. It is a part of the

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<v Speaker 3>bird's digestive system, a sort of muscular sack in which

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<v Speaker 3>food stuffs are churned around with externally acquired abrasives like

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<v Speaker 3>rocks and sand, which the turkey also swallows. And eventually

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<v Speaker 3>this muscular sack churning nuts around with rocks and sand,

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<v Speaker 3>grinds the nuts or whatever food into pieces so it

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<v Speaker 3>can pass on down through the rest of the digestive tract.

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<v Speaker 2>See we need more gizzard based nutcrackers. Maybe the screw

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<v Speaker 2>nutcracker is kind of a gizzard nutcracker in a limited sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I G.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would be like what would a gizzard based

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<v Speaker 3>nutcracker be. It would be more like a like a

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<v Speaker 3>rock polisher, you know, you put the nuts in there

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<v Speaker 3>and it's got like an internal like shaker with rocks

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<v Speaker 3>and they bust them up. Yea. So those are the

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<v Speaker 3>internal mechanisms, but there are also animals that do use

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<v Speaker 3>external mechanisms, in other words, tools to crack nuts. Tool

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<v Speaker 3>use in nutcracking has been observed in multiple primate species.

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<v Speaker 3>I came across a paper documenting novel observations of orangutans

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<v Speaker 3>figuring out how to smash nuts with a wooden hammer.

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<v Speaker 3>The paper was by a bandini at all called naive

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<v Speaker 3>Orangutans are individually acquire nutcracking using hammer tools, published in

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<v Speaker 3>the American Journal of Primatology in the year twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 3>and I found the background section of this paper helpful

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<v Speaker 3>for collecting other documented examples of primate tool use in nutcracking,

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<v Speaker 3>especially the use of tools by chimpanzees to open nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>The authors say that chimpanzees, long tailed macaques, and capuchin

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<v Speaker 3>monkeys have been observed using tools to break through nutshells,

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<v Speaker 3>and wild chimpanzees have been observed in multiple locations using

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<v Speaker 3>hammer tools to smash nuts and access kernels. So, to

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<v Speaker 3>read from their background quote, the crux of the nut

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<v Speaker 3>cracking behavioral form in chimpanzees involves three steps one retrieving

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<v Speaker 3>a nut from the surrounding area and placing it on

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<v Speaker 3>an anvil e g. A tree root or a stone.

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<v Speaker 3>Two picking up a stone or a wooden hammer, and

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<v Speaker 3>three hitting the nut with the hammer parentheses holding it

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<v Speaker 3>with one or both hands until its shell is cracked

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<v Speaker 3>open and the inside kernel can be retrieved and consumed.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is noted as being a really interesting case

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<v Speaker 3>of tool use in non human animals because most cases

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<v Speaker 3>of animal tool use involve only a single object and

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<v Speaker 3>a single type of action, you know, thinking something using

0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 3>a stick to extend reach into holes and crevices. But

0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 3>this nut hammering process involves two separate tools apart from

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<v Speaker 3>the nut, the hammer and the anvil, and it involves

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<v Speaker 3>multiple steps, only culminating in a food reward at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the process. So it's extremely interesting and impressive

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<v Speaker 3>and has been the subject of a lot of study

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<v Speaker 3>and debate. And they are also interesting scientific debates about

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<v Speaker 3>how this process first arose in wild chimpanzees and how

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 3>it gets passed from one individual to another. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>coming back to the experimental portion of the study and orangutans,

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the authors here tested naive orangutans who had no experience

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<v Speaker 3>cracking nuts with tools that were in captivity to see

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 3>what they would do if given hard shelled nuts and

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 3>tools for nut cracking, but no demonstration of how it

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 3>was done. So just like, here's the stuff you would need,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's no teaching or showing them. And somewhat shocking quote.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of twelve orangutans tested, at least four individuals, one

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<v Speaker 3>from Leipzig and three from Zurich spontaneously expressed nutcracking using

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<v Speaker 3>wooden hammers.

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought so too, And they say that this result

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<v Speaker 3>seems to be evidence that orangutans can in fact quite

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<v Speaker 3>readily produce emergent tool use behaviors through through individual learning,

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.679
<v Speaker 3>they say, just sort of personal trial and error learning

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<v Speaker 3>without having to watch another do it and copy the

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 3>behavior from them. Though they did say they actually make

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<v Speaker 3>a distinction in this paper between non copying social learning

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 3>and copying social learning. So copying social learning is what

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 3>they call like the how to knowledge, where you watch

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 3>another individual do something and then you copy what they're doing.

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 3>They do say there could be some social learning involved

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 3>here that's not watching what the other individual is doing,

0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.439
<v Speaker 3>but just seeing kind of like what area of of

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 3>the enclosure they're paying attention to, what kind of objects

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 3>they're paying attention to, and so forth. In the words

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 3>of the authors, not how to social information, but sort

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 3>of what and where social information. And then finally just

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to mention that this has also come up on

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<v Speaker 3>the show before. But there are some bird species that

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<v Speaker 3>have evolved ways of using external tools to crack nuts.

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:25.679
<v Speaker 3>One of the most interesting examples is the case of

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Japanese crows, specifically Japanese crows, because as far as I know,

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<v Speaker 3>this behavior has not been found in crow populations elsewhere,

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 3>but Japanese crows have been observed leaving difficult nuts on

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 3>busy streets so that cars will run over them and

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<v Speaker 3>crack the shells for them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fascinating, man, to you, it's a highway to us

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>a nutcracker. So coming back to humans, specifically coming back

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 2>to modern humans, modern humans absolutely can crack nuts with

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>their tee This is a true statement. However, modern humans

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 2>appbsolutely cannot crack all nuts with their teeth, and they

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<v Speaker 2>certainly can't do so without risking permanent damage to their teeth.

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 3>All right, again, we are not rodents. Their teeth will

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 3>keep growing in if they hurt them while getting into

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 3>a nut, not so much for an adult human.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So, as such, there is a huge advantage,

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<v Speaker 2>even a survival advantage, in being able to turn to

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<v Speaker 2>various tools to crack open said nuts and get at

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 2>the precious nutrients inside and of course then not be

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<v Speaker 2>held and also not be held back by the speed

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 2>bump so much. I mean, you are hitting the speed

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<v Speaker 2>bump of having to manually cracked nuts. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>can utilize technology to speed that process along, then you

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 2>can do a whole host of other things.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>As such, prehistoric humans made use of their surroundings to

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<v Speaker 2>open many a nut much in the same way that

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 2>other tool using animals did, and the examples that we

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<v Speaker 2>just mentioned. Stones of course do wonders, And eventually this

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>was fine tuned to make use of pitted stones. Pitted stone,

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, a stone that has a little end in there,

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of a spot that holds the nut in place

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>while you either whack it with another stone or use

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>some sort of like hammer and chisel scenario to apply

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>force to it. And then this will also sort of

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 2>collect the fragments and keep the nut and or fragments

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>from just flying off in all directions.

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 3>In terms of getting over the speed bump is speeding

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 3>up the process. This is a great advancement actually using

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 3>a pitted stone like this, it's sort of moving from

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 3>the hammer and anvil principle to the mortar and pestle principle.

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Now, according to Wagner, example of this sort of artifact

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>go back thousands and thousands of years. Indeed, according to

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I was looking at a twenty nineteen paper published in

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<v Speaker 2>Plos one or plus one. I forget which way we're

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>supposed to say it these days, it's plus plus.

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 3>I said it wrong. For years I spelled it out.

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>It's plus all right, well plus one twenty nineteen. This

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 2>was a paper by Colleen Pardout titled Quondong Stones a

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Specialized Australian nut Cracking Tool. And in this the author

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>points out that paleolithic sites in the Levant provide evidence

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>of the importance of nuts in the human diet as

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<v Speaker 2>far back as seven hundred and forty thousand to seven

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>hundred and ninety thousand years ago, and we see this

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 2>via the evidence of specialized stone implements for shell cracking

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>and kernel extraction. Additionally, early Holoceine sites suggest that hazel

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>nuts were important in Mesolithic and early Neolithic European diets.

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 2>The paper in question, by the way, highlights the use

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<v Speaker 2>of pitted stones by Aboriginal Australians to crack open the

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 2>quondong or native peach. They point out that pits in

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>stones like this are common, and they sometimes indicate other functions.

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not always there for nut cracking. It could be

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>an anvil, or it could have multiple functions, but the

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>stones in question have multiple pits and were found in

0:31:56.240 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>areas where quandongs are common. They also analyze the exact

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>nature of the wear and tear on these stones. Apparently,

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 2>if you know what you're looking for, you you can

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>analyze that wear and tear and see like, okay, what

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of regular and or repeated force was applied here?

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>And they believe that these artifacts indicate nutcracking. I included

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>a couple of pictures here from you.

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<v Speaker 3>Below.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 2>One is from Wagner's museum. You see like a basic

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>pitted stone nutcracking scenario. And then I have some images

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>from this paper about Aboriginal Australian artifacts, and you can

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>see like a like multiple pits in one of the

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 2>stones they're talking about. M Yeah, by the way, Broadly speaking,

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>nuts cracked in this manner were sometimes, of course just

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>eating raw. You know, you've you've solved the puzzle. Now

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>enjoy the spoils. But they were also eventually used for

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>other purposes. You could make flowers out of them, or

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>nut butters. There's apparently evidence for peanut butter of a

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>sort in Aztec and Inca civilizations, and one can only

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 2>assume that ancient European hazel nuts scavengers would have done

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 2>something similar, though of course, without access to South America's chocolate,

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 2>they'd be denied. The invention of nutella up until I

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>believe the eighteen hundreds.

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Are you a nutella lover Rope?

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like nutella, but I deny myself nutella.

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 2>It's too easy, it is, it needs some speed bumps,

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and so the sump, the speed bump I put down

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>is just not buying it. Now, coming back to other

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 2>nutcracker designs, obviously, simple wooden nutcrackers are also a pretty

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>ancient scenario. You know, likely some combination of wood pieces,

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>perhaps a strip of leather, exactly the sort of thing

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to easily vanish from the archaeological record like this is

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 2>just organic matter that's not going to last. But eventually,

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 2>with the advent of metalworking, humans begin making simple nutcrackers,

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 2>which are also again largely identical to collect crab clock

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 2>that enable them to use hand strength and a lever

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.959
<v Speaker 2>to crack nuts. This again is the basic principle of

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>the German wooden nutcracker that we associate with Christmas. Wagner

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>writes that the oldest evidence of a metal nutcracker goes

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>back to the third or fourth century BCE. Apparently this

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>nutcracker is on display in the Toronto Museum in Italy.

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 2>It's exceedingly ornate, considering consisting of a pair of bronze

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 2>hands with gold bracelets making use of an internal hinge

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to function as a nutcracker. Obviously this is a luxury

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>item and really the subject matter here is quite fascinating.

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I included an image of this nutcracker device for.

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 3>You here, Joe, that is creepy looking.

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are like these bronze hands with golden like

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 2>they're dark bronze hands with golden like serpent bracelets, and

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like they're reaching up out of the void to

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>crack a nut.

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 3>For you, Yeah, exactly hands from the portal to the underdark.

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:06.359
<v Speaker 3>There's just like extremely creepy looking. Though when I first

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 3>saw these, I didn't realize these were just solid to

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 3>be used with a lever to crush. What I honestly

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 3>imagine was that these were like rigid metal gloves that

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 3>you would put on to just smash a nut between

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 3>your palms.

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was looking around to see some sort of

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.919
<v Speaker 2>a video or demonstration of exactly how the mechanism works.

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 2>There supposedly is a mechanism there, but most of the

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 2>images I was pulling up just show the hands, and yeah,

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 2>they're quite beautiful to look at.

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Wagner's Museum apparently has a Roman nutcracker dated to between

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 2>two hundred BCE and two hundred CE, and this one

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>is also ornate with animal motifs, but it is it

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:52.800
<v Speaker 2>is otherwise like not something that mimics human or animal

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 2>crushing power. No jaws or anything. Included an image of

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:57.680
<v Speaker 2>this for you here as well, Joe.

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 3>It's just the standard pincer ever.

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and of course you know they're all manner of

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>tools and objects in human history that have been turned

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 2>into something ornate and something even more decorative than functional.

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>But again, there's something about the nutcracker there's sort of

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>even though it is work, there's also sort of an

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>implied leisure there, Like it is the kind of work

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 2>that you can imagine even an emperor being okay with

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 2>doing because there is something satisfying about it.

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Maybe it's because the food reward is in most

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 3>cases implied to be immediate. But I know exactly what

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 3>you're saying that, Like, there's a different energy to a

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 3>nutcracker versus like a potato peeler. So you imagine the

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 3>process of peeling a potato is labor. It's not associated

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 3>with fun. It's just something you've got to do in

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.359
<v Speaker 3>the process of cooking something. But that's not the same. Yeah,

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 3>not the case with a nutcracker. The nutcracker is an

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 3>emblem of coziness and leisure and getting what you want

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 3>right now.

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a novel technological enhancement of human abilities.

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like, look, what I can do is nothing compared

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to my strength, as my strength is accentuated by this

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 2>tiny wooden man that cracks my nuts for me now.

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Wagner also showcases multiple European metal nut trackers from the

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 2>thirteenth century onward. In many of these, I didn't even

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 2>include pictures off of you, Joe, because they just look

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.919
<v Speaker 2>like metal lever tools. You know, It's just exactly all

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that you would need to crack nuts and nothing fancy.

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 2>But they sometimes take on other fanciful forms. I included

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 2>a couple of images from her museum here. One is

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I believe, an eagle and the other is a dog.

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, does the eagle crushed the nut in its beak?

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 3>I guess does the beak pop open?

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 2>It looks like, yeah, I believe the beak is powered

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.919
<v Speaker 2>by the lever. And then we also have the dog,

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>which I guess the tail is the lever for the

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 2>dog's mouth.

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, I really enjoy the grotesque unreality of the

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 3>way that the human awaid nutcracker's mouth opens so wide

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 3>with the lever. I don't think I would have that

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 3>same enjoyment with the dog figure.

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's just not becoming of the dog?

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 3>A man whose jaw opens down to his belly button

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 3>and has gigantic teeth bigger than his eyes, that's funny.

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 3>A dog that has that, I don't know. That's just

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 3>like I want it to be cuter.

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Now, there's another variety of metal nut opening. I guess

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>you would say tool that I want to touch on here.

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 2>It's one that's also hinged, often of bronze or iron.

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:40.400
<v Speaker 2>But these are nut openers found in various Asian cultures,

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>including in India, in Indonesia, in Afghanistan. Many of these

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 2>also boast animal in human design motifs. These were not

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<v Speaker 2>used to crack open a nut, but to slice the

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<v Speaker 2>aureka nut of the Areca palm, which is then wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>in a beetle leaf. These are beetlenuts. These are then chewed,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes with other additives in order to get at the

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<v Speaker 2>psychoactive properties all the non included some images of these

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<v Speaker 2>beetlenut slicers. I guess is really the more accurate terminology.

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<v Speaker 2>Though they're they're basic. The basic physics of the design

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<v Speaker 2>is similar to many of the nutcrackers we're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you can see, Joe and I encourage folks

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<v Speaker 2>to look up images of these. There's some that look

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<v Speaker 2>like birds. There are some not pictured here for you, Joe,

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.479
<v Speaker 2>that are very ornate but don't look like any any

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 2>particular animal or what have you. And then some just

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<v Speaker 2>straight up resemble human beings, sometimes with the handles of

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<v Speaker 2>the slicer being the legs of a humanoid or the

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<v Speaker 2>legs of two humanoids that are dancing.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but it is a slicing action, not a cracking action,

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 3>so it's more kind of like those little cigar gillotines

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<v Speaker 3>that people have. I don't know what those are called.

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I guess it would be similar similar to that. Yeah,

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>they're there there for slicing, but they do resemble a

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<v Speaker 2>nutcrack a lot, and you'll often find collectors of one

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 2>may collect the other as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Beautiful designs though.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'd also run across examples of apotropaic uses of

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<v Speaker 2>these devices as well, such as using them to protect

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 2>sleeping child. I also found mention of protective qualities that

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<v Speaker 2>are attributed to beetlenuts in general in some cultures. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteenth century beetlenut cutter from Malaysia in the collection

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<v Speaker 2>of the Victoria and Albert Museum in the UK, and

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 2>they have this featured on their website. It has a

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<v Speaker 2>stylized bird shaped head set with rubies mounted with gold,

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>so very ornate, and the Museum shares the following quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Although the habit of beetle chewing had rapidly declined in

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<v Speaker 2>the Malay world by the mid twentieth century, iron araka

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<v Speaker 2>nut cutters are still in use today for their power,

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<v Speaker 2>according to local tradition, in warding off evil spirits the shears,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's accurate. You can describe these as

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<v Speaker 2>shears are usually placed above the head of a newborn

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 2>baby for protection.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's an interesting parallel to the sort of decorative

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 3>or ritual use of the no longer functional nutcrackers and

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 3>Christmas celebrations. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do find it fascinating that you'll have like

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:22.439
<v Speaker 2>two very distant cultures here, and they both have some

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 2>sort of an ornate device that has that is used

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 2>to get at the goodness, be it nutritional or psychoactive

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 2>or I think they are also medicinal traditions concerning the

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 2>beetle nut as well. But to get at the goodness

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 2>in the nut, you have to use this device, and

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 2>then that device becomes more and more ornate, it takes

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 2>on various forms and then begins to have these supernatural

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 2>properties as well. Or even if you're looking at the

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 2>modern nutcracker, like the decorative nutcracker, has no function other

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 2>than to provide a bit of holiday whimsy and to know,

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 2>to put us the spirit of things for the holiday.

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Or alternately, to chase your sibling around the house biting

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 3>at them with.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I would love to hear from folks out there

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 2>if you have certainly if you can speak from personal

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 2>experience or family experience, cultural experience to anything that we've

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 2>touched on in the episode, including the beetle nutshears, but

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 2>even like the classic German nutcracker, if there's anyone out

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.720
<v Speaker 2>there who has a like a family tradition in which

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 2>there are protective elements to it, you know, like the

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 2>nutcracker is placed in a child's room to ward off

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 2>some sort of you know, ill luck, no matter how

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, overt no matter how strong the superstition or

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 2>weak the superstition is. I'd love to hear about that

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:44.320
<v Speaker 2>as well. So I'm partially speaking from my own experience,

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 2>in which the standard nutcracker like doesn't really carry a

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of supernatural or folkal or weight. It is just festive,

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.919
<v Speaker 2>you know, It's a completely secular thing. Like the elf

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 2>on the shelf ends up having more power in a

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.399
<v Speaker 2>given home than the nutcracker usually does, or at least

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 2>that's how it seems to me. I'd love to hear

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 2>if that's not the case, though.

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.240
<v Speaker 3>Though at the same time, I wouldn't undervalue the ritual

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 3>power of holiday decorations. I mean, like, it is interesting

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 3>how we surround ourselves with these physical objects literally to

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.839
<v Speaker 3>sort of engineer our own minds. It's like, I want

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:23.280
<v Speaker 3>to make myself feel festive. I want to put myself

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 3>in the mind space of a particular season, and in

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 3>order to do that, I know I will have to

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 3>surround myself with objects that are hidden for the rest

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 3>of the year. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like that's kind of the approach my

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 2>family takes with our Christmas tree. You know, it's and

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 2>this is you know, I think how a lot of

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>people do it. You know, each little decoration you put

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:43.279
<v Speaker 2>up in there, put up on the tree has some

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:46.240
<v Speaker 2>sort of value to you. You know, it either speaks

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 2>to a time or a place, or an aspiration or

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 2>an idea that you like. You know, it has religious

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 2>significance and or cultural significance, and it all becomes this

0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:01.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, this this kind of an amalgam

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 2>of different values. Then you light it up and yeah,

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 2>you transform your world at least for a few weeks there.

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 3>All right, should we crush this nut once and for all.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it. Yes. We hope you enjoyed our look

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 2>at the Nutcracker and earlier in the week the rat King.

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 2>If you didn't hear the rat King episode, go back

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>listen to that. I think it's a nice companion for

0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:27.160
<v Speaker 2>this episode. But yeah, we obviously we wish everyone out

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.840
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