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Speaker 2: The other time, like this whole conversation about whether you

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Speaker 2: But that must happen so many times, you know where

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Speaker 1: Like, no, I kind of this is great.

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Speaker 1: Man, I don't think that would do it either.

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Speaker 4: Would you try it? Would you try it?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: And I think I was lying only leave your house

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Speaker 4: I'll think about it. I'll think about it.

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Speaker 5: Here's the biggest problem for me with the tattoo, guys,

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Speaker 1: Where am I going to butt it your neck?

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Speaker 4: That's like, yeah, yeah, drop, I like tear.

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Speaker 1: Just boom? Then I don't need Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 4: You won't ever be shirtless, you've already said.

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Speaker 3: I watched a movie last night where it's an awful movie,

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Speaker 5: I just I just saw a really good play. I

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Speaker 5: This very clearly requires a level of dedication that's just

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Speaker 4: Like, but I do also have to have dessert after breakfast.

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Speaker 5: And I'm realizing I just don't have that.

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Speaker 2: That's part of being a stage actor for that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, mine's an instrument too, It's just a tuba.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Upon Mets World.

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Speaker 3: I'm Danielle Offishal, I'm Right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

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Speaker 5: Over the seven seasons of Boy Meets World, we had

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Speaker 5: We weren't your typical family sitcom, so we didn't cast

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Speaker 5: coolest example. Once dubbed the Petite Picasso at just twelve

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Speaker 5: far outliving any naysayers calling her a gimmick with celebrity

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Speaker 5: When we started this podcast, we hope to bring back

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Speaker 5: some people we didn't expect to reunite with, and this

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Speaker 5: the most cultured guest star we've ever had. Sorry, Robin Leach,

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Oh my gosh, hi, hi wow. This is awesome.

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Speaker 4: Just a few co workers reuniting thirty years later.

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Speaker 6: Unbelievable, right, oh man, hi hi hi wow.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Well, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 5: You never Yes, yes, he's also better at certain types

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Speaker 5: When did your parents start to realize like, oh, what

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Speaker 6: It's funny because you have two answers to this question.

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Speaker 4: You know, and so, oh my gosh, a.

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Speaker 6: Wild, wild story. Just that in and of itself is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, concern, concern, truly.

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Speaker 6: And and you know, at one point they had taken

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Speaker 4: And my mom's like, I know, widhood, we're very concerned.

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Speaker 6: My dad's like, isn't it good? You know, she doesn't

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Speaker 6: you know, yeah. And he's like, okay, well, you know

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Speaker 6: at this point, I had kind of monopolized the space

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Speaker 6: And I think given their insane work schedule and sort

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Speaker 1: They were they appreciators of art.

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Speaker 6: Definitely not.

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Speaker 2: They weren't like saying, hey, look at this great painting

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Speaker 6: Well, so I had seen my first Picasso in person.

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Speaker 6: But no, again, I think it was the sort of

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Speaker 6: didn't figure that out until later that I had a

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Speaker 6: skill set that I was just maybe naturally born with that.

439
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 6: I cultivated the older I got, and the more that

440
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 6: I you know, made art wow.

441
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Speaker 5: And so how then do you make the jump from

442
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 5: the wittier public Life Library exhibition into like the blue

443
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 5: chip art scene. What's what happens after that first exhibition?

444
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 6: So that first exhibition led to a lot of you know,

445
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 6: the world is so different now, right Like back then,

446
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 6: it's like being in the local newspaper was like all

447
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 6: the jam, you know, and like doing the local news

448
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 6: things that five PM turn it onto. It's like now

449
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 6: it's like how many sixtok views does it have? How many?

450
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,479
Speaker 6: It's a completely different sense of uh, sensationalism and you know,

451
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 6: viewership and audience and all that. You guys know that

452
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 6: better than I do. But I think I garnered a

453
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 6: lot of this like local kind of hype and excitement

454
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 6: and enthusiasm. And the story itself was pretty novel and

455
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 6: that you know, here's this little short, blonde girl in

456
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Speaker 6: pig Sail. We watched that episode.

457
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 5: We talked about how much they tried to make you

458
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 5: look so young, and you look like a contemporary of Ben.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well she's also just you had so much poise.

460
00:21:58,920 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 4: So much present.

461
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: You just yeah, you're.

462
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: You're you had like an adult, like very mature presence,

463
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: you know, just naturally or maybe because of your experiences

464
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: leading up to that, but yeah, you definitely.

465
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: Like they were they were working hard.

466
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Speaker 3: It was especially next to Lindsay Ridgeway, who's like a

467
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: foot and a half tall at the time, right, it

468
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: was like, wait, wait, they're the same age.

469
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Speaker 1: How is that possible?

470
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 6: It is so funny. I like, I had such a wow.

471
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 6: It was really awesome watching all that. But you know,

472
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 6: I I I ended up having a few of these

473
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 6: local shows if you will. Like after the library, there

474
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 6: was this really cool hipster guy that owned the bookstore

475
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 6: slash gallery slash coffee shop. He's like, let's hang some

476
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 6: paintings on the wall, you know. Okay, Like again, my parents.

477
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 6: You have to understand, my parents are working these crazy shifts,

478
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 6: like baarently making ends meet. They're trying to support a

479
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 6: very expensive habit at this point because I'm wanting canvases

480
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 6: and paintb I mean, I don't know when the last

481
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 6: time you guys went to an art stories but it

482
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 6: is no joke. Yeah, you know, And so my mom

483
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 6: she loves to tell this story of like she's like

484
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 6: I always ask her, like can you like dilute the pain,

485
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 6: like just like make the two blast for like a

486
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 6: week instead of a day, Like is that possible? It's

487
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 6: like no, this is what I feel, mom. I have

488
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 6: to use all of the twenty five dollars deal.

489
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

490
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 6: So, and so you know, they they try to do

491
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 6: their best to do supporting this and and you know

492
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 6: our lives and all the other things in between, and

493
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 6: so you know, when they had this opportunity, the guy's

494
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 6: like okay, sure. My dad's like okay, sure, Like let's

495
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 6: give you this many paintings. We price them out of

496
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 6: a couple hundred bucks each. He had an event and

497
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 6: like the entire like everything on the wall sold, you know.

498
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 6: And I think that's when everyone's like, wait.

499
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 5: What, wait, hold on a minute, is there a chance

500
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 5: to make money at this right?

501
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 6: Because you know, the incentive and the impetus behind that

502
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 6: first exhibition had nothing to do with commercialization or giving

503
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 6: me the platform to be a famous artist. Or it

504
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 6: was sheer like there's a lot of crap in our

505
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 6: house and we would love to put it somewhere else

506
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 6: so I can like vacuum like my Mom's like, you know,

507
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 6: rationale behind it. And at that first show, in fact,

508
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 6: there was a gentleman who came up to me to

509
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 6: buy a painting and I was like offended. I was

510
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 6: like what, no, these are mine. We can't buy this,

511
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 6: you know're like no way. And then he went to

512
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 6: my dad and I was like, look, I can't convince her.

513
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 6: You got to go back and talk to her. And

514
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 6: so he came back with this whole like pitch. It

515
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 6: was because it was April Mother's Day was coming up.

516
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 6: You know, I need to get a gift from my

517
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 6: mom calling you're so nice. I'm all right, fifty bucks.

518
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 6: So I sold this like tidy eight by Ted. It

519
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 6: was my first painting I ever sold for fifty dollars.

520
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 6: And you know again like yes, fifty dollars, Dad was

521
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 6: more than fifty dollars is today for sure. But still

522
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 6: it wasn't this. It didn't open up this idea that Okay,

523
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 6: here we're gonna we're gonna kill it, We're gonna crush it,

524
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 6: like let's go, you know. And so this this next

525
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 6: series of shows that I had that also started creating

526
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 6: and galvanizing a lot of attention and a lot of publicity.

527
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 6: You know, it was like really just this wild domino

528
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 6: effect because in life it is so I've found, at

529
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 6: least in my experience. You know, everyone's always like waiting

530
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 6: for things or working towards things, but sometimes things just happen,

531
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 6: like a ton of bricks falls on your head, and

532
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 6: it just happens. And it could be in an email

533
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 6: today or back then a phone call, or someone knocking

534
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 6: on our door or whatever it was. And so I

535
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 6: had a few of these coffeehouse exhibitions, and a collector

536
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 6: of an artist that was represented by a publishing company

537
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 6: that I ended up by signing with saw my work

538
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 6: and went to like the head of the art publishing

539
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 6: company and says, you know, you have to see this

540
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 6: little girl. She's amazing. This guy's like I work with

541
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 6: artists on their way out, like literally on their way out,

542
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 6: you know, who have an entire lifetime of work to

543
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 6: support their petig and their history and all these things.

544
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 6: And like she's nine, like no things, like she's going

545
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 6: to be a teenager and she's gonna like you have

546
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 6: no idea what this is. It's a fluke, it's a

547
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 6: flash on the pan. It's you know, the whole thing,

548
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 6: and and and this man was like, you know, he

549
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 6: kept persisting. He's like, look, I'm one of your biggest buyers,

550
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 6: Like I just want you to just just give her,

551
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 6: give her a chance, come, you know, come to her

552
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 6: studio or whatever. At that point, I think he had

553
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 6: bought something from the from the coffee shop gallery place

554
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 6: met me, had come to the studios something like this.

555
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 6: And so I think, you know, when when when they

556
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 6: walked into my parents had converted our girl at the time,

557
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 6: we were living in Norwalk, and they converted our garage

558
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 6: into a studio, and you know, when he walked into

559
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 6: the garage and saw these like really large scale canvas,

560
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 6: you know, the the dichotomy between this little, you know,

561
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 6: girl and these big pieces was like very impressive and

562
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 6: it added so much to the sensatialism of the story

563
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 6: and and and all of that. And so he walks

564
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 6: in and it's kind of like, oh wow. And then

565
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 6: I start, you know, articulating my thoughts on the work,

566
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 6: and I think that the work, you know, the sort

567
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 6: of impressive scale of everything, my ability to communicate as

568
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 6: well as I was able to communicate at that age naturally,

569
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 6: for whatever reason, maybe because My mom made me read

570
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 6: all day long, all the time, which I hated her

571
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 6: for that, and there's I mean, I thank her for

572
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 6: forcing that on me more than anything in the world.

573
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 6: But she made me keep a vocabulary journal.

574
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: Wow, by the.

575
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 6: Way, I still keep one. But she would make me

576
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 6: keep a vocabulary journal of words that I had, like

577
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 6: didn't know, and it was all it was what caused this.

578
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 6: It's really funny because like, now I have my own

579
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 6: kids that I'm trying to find ways to like you know,

580
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 6: burden them with consequence so they learn lessons or whatever.

581
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 6: Is very different time that we're living in that doesn't

582
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 6: work as effectively as it did for us. But you know,

583
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 6: I had asked her one too many times what the

584
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 6: word negotiate meant, and she was pissed. She was like okay,

585
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 6: She's like, okay, you know you're not paying any attention

586
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 6: to any of this. So we're going to start a

587
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 6: vocabulary journal. And at the end of the month, when

588
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 6: you prove to me that you not only know all

589
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 6: those words fully and holy and immercivelly like, I need

590
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 6: to see you, I need to hear you. I have

591
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 6: my old list. I need to hear you use them

592
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 6: in conversation with us. This this, this, like, we'll take

593
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 6: you to SeaWorld. I was like, oh, sick, like right,

594
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 6: let's go.

595
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: But I don't you know, it's just I think so

596
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: she was literally negotiating with you about the word negotiating.

597
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 6: Hands down, hands that works. But it's really funny because

598
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 6: there was all of these things I think coupled that

599
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: you know, created for a great, you know, pr story

600
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 6: at the very least, right, and so everyone around, and

601
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 6: most were much older white men, were like, all right,

602
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 6: this looks good. You know, she can hold a conversation,

603
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 6: she can talk about the work, she's poised, she's all

604
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 6: these things. Talented people like the work. They resonate with

605
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 6: the story and the the you know, authenticity, the family story.

606
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 6: Is this true American team.

607
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: I was like a banger, like, you got it all one,

608
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: you're cicking all the boxes, ticking all the boxes, definitely yep.

609
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 6: And and so I think that that created this excitement.

610
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 6: And I mean fast forward. I was ten years old,

611
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 6: and you know, after lengthy conversations and my parents explaining

612
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 6: to me, you know, at this point, they I already

613
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 6: lined out what the requirement of production would be, what

614
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 6: kind of tours we're looking at. I mean, I was

615
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 6: in fourth fifth grade. This would have meant that I'd

616
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 6: be missing, you know, majority of my school year traveling.

617
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 6: Big big sacrifice, big responsibility, big commitment, you know. And

618
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 6: so I agreed. I was excited. I was like, let's go,

619
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 6: and I signed my first deal. Uh, my father on

620
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 6: my behalf, my parents on my behalf. But I there

621
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 6: was there too, inside of a cozy little booth of sizzler, yes,

622
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 6: and all.

623
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: The dreams come true.

624
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 6: Shrimps slid YEA lived like why could I just eat

625
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 6: all that and not diemorrow?

626
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: You know?

627
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 6: And and so that's basically, you know, in a very

628
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 6: abbreviated way, the dynamic and the unfolding of this whole story.

629
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 5: Well, the art world, much like Hollywood, isn't necessarily known

630
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 5: for its kind and caring inhabitants. There's obviously sharks and

631
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 5: con men everywhere. How are you, as a child navigating

632
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 5: this and how is your family navigating that world as well?

633
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 6: You know, That's the thing. I was never faced with

634
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 6: that side of it and that reality, and I think

635
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 6: my parents worked very tirelessly to protect me from that

636
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 6: great whether it was you know, conversationally, whether it was

637
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 6: building one hundred LLCs around my brand, whether it was

638
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 6: doing whatever they needed to do to just really keep

639
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 6: me me and my autonomy separate of the mess that

640
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 6: you know inevitably was going to occur. It's almost as

641
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 6: if they had a crystal ball. There was a lot

642
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 6: of things that went wrong, a lot of greedy people involved,

643
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 6: and I was always held steadfast in this, in this cocoon,

644
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 6: you know, and not left unaware so that I could

645
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 6: be taken advantage of. But really, just like we got you.

646
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 6: You keep making stuff if you love it, you keep

647
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 6: doing it. When you stop loving it, tell us we're

648
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 6: here to like see you out and save you, you know.

649
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 6: And so I think that that is entirely a testament

650
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 6: to their parenting, to their They're also like they're a

651
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 6: wherewithal like my dad. It's so funny because I just

652
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 6: moved studios recently. My studio has been in my parents'

653
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 6: house for the last thirty years. By the way, I'm

654
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 6: this year is thirty years since I signed that first contract,

655
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 6: which is crazy woice. Oh, but I just moved studios

656
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 6: and I was coming across, you know, in my attempt

657
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 6: to clean, which I'm terrible at doing I came across

658
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 6: all of these like cool fines, and I was like,

659
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 6: you know, all these like amazing discoveries and memories and

660
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 6: just kind of you know, it's it's it's seeing. It's

661
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 6: just it's like this real, weird nostalgia that I experience

662
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 6: and this amazing, fulfilling like story that I've created for

663
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 6: myself with my parents, because of my parents, because of

664
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 6: my grandma's sacrifice. My grandma moved here when I was

665
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 6: four years old, leaving her sixteen year old son, my uncle,

666
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 6: and my grandpa to whom she was still very married,

667
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 6: to raise me because my parents were working all like,

668
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 6: this is so much of a bigger story. And while

669
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 6: you know, yes I was hard working and disciplined and

670
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 6: responsible and had dignity, talented, thank you, all of those things,

671
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 6: it was it's such a team effort, that's the reality,

672
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 6: you know. And so I think I can't answer that

673
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 6: question without recognizing them. They can't answer it without recognizing me,

674
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 6: you know. So it's sort of this dance that we've

675
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 6: just kind of danced for the last thirty years together.

676
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: Well, it's a very similar story to what we talk

677
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 5: about with what we do as well, and with every

678
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 5: child actor we have interviewed, it is impossible to say

679
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 5: to give the credit or to explain how one person's

680
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 5: life happens without also explaining all of the different people

681
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 5: and decisions and choices that were made in order to

682
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: get you there.

683
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 4: So that is a perfect segue.

684
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: Into how do you end up on our Boy Meets

685
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 5: World set?

686
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: Were you twelve or thirteen?

687
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 6: I think I was thirteen?

688
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 5: Okay, how does it come to you that they want

689
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 5: you to have a starring guest role on Boy Meets World?

690
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: Had you ever heard of the show?

691
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 6: Yes? I did, of course I had very limited time,

692
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 6: so it was a part of like, you know, my

693
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 6: my daily curriculum, if you will, or weekly curriculum. But

694
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 6: I that's that's actually I have to like really dig

695
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 6: dig to answer that, because there's sort of this like

696
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 6: weird sequence of interest that people kind of expected me

697
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 6: to naturally have because I was now suddenly in the

698
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 6: public eye. So it's like, oh, she's good on TV,

699
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 6: she should act like, you know, she's cute, she should

700
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 6: we should address her? Oh we should, you know. Whatever

701
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 6: was And so I think I personally didn't take that

702
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 6: initiative to try to delve into an entirely different space

703
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 6: because again, I was so deeply consumed by by making

704
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 6: art and that's all I cared about. But I ended

705
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 6: up like, yeah, there was a lot of people around

706
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 6: me at the time, and you know, people were always

707
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 6: saying like, she should act, she should act, she should model,

708
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 6: she should do this, she should That's like I can't

709
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 6: even get my kids from like one basketball practice to another.

710
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 6: Like I don't know how my parents had jobs. I

711
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 6: had did all this. So at one point or another,

712
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 6: I ended up by getting signed with with wm ME

713
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 6: and I had an agent, and I did the whole thing,

714
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 6: and I was going to auditions like I like had

715
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 6: really fun experiences and it was great. But I'm simultaneously

716
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 6: not even juggling but really like like nurturing this whole

717
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 6: other career that's full force, full fledge taken off. So

718
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: I think it was a hard balance. But when this

719
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 6: came up, it only made sense because it was also

720
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 6: an opportunity to fit into a storyline of like normal

721
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 6: kid life, right because my life and my story had

722
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 6: taken on such a different like you know, paradigm, in

723
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 6: such a different space, and it was like I think.

724
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 6: I also, for me, it was important to remember that

725
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 6: I'm not so strange and that I'm not so different,

726
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 6: and that there was you know, I still had a

727
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 6: pool to to want to connect to things that made

728
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 6: sense for my age, you know, And are you kidding me?

729
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't tell you guys how many people

730
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 6: reach out to me on an absolute regular basis, like

731
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 6: I am a really good like Embellisher. And this is

732
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 6: literally being said in full transparency and honesty, like constantly going,

733
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, I saw you on this episode of

734
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 6: I loved it, or like it just up again or whatever.

735
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: You know.

736
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 6: When I told our daughter, I didn't even know she knew.

737
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 6: She knew I think what Girl Meets World was first,

738
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 6: and then and then when I told her, she said,

739
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 6: what you just told me? No, like she was like

740
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 6: everything else I did in life didn't mask. I told

741
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 6: you about that I was on an episode of Boys World.

742
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 6: And then it's like, oh, you're.

743
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 5: Cool, Oh my gosh, but wait, so you have an agent,

744
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: you're with W and me and you are auditioning, but

745
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 5: you don't audition for Boy Meets World like this, this

746
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 5: was written for you.

747
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: No, you should have seen who they were going to

748
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: cast a player.

749
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: She had an audition to be.

750
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 5: So do you remember, Like we know that Michael Jacobs

751
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 5: is a huge art fan, We're assuming Michael had been

752
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: paying attention.

753
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 4: To your career.

754
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: Do you remember getting the phone call or your agent's

755
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 5: getting the phone call with the ask like Michael Jacobs

756
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: would like you to be on an episode of Boy

757
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 5: Meets World.

758
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: Do you remember finding out?

759
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 6: I do. I do remember. I do remember, and I

760
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 6: was just so excited to get to do something different

761
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 6: like that's you know, I think the thing that makes

762
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 6: me love art making an expression and self expression in

763
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 6: journal as much as I love it is that there's

764
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 6: never a promise, there's never a guarantee, there's never like

765
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 6: a foreseeable trajectory, like the journey can always take you

766
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 6: to all these different places. And so whenever I was

767
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 6: given an opportunity to do something outside of my comfort

768
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 6: zone or outside of what I normally, you know, formally did,

769
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 6: I was very excited. As a child especially, and as

770
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 6: a child that was like, you know, living the crazy

771
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 6: worldwood life that I was living. But I do remember,

772
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 6: of course, how can I not? And I was like,

773
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 6: all right, let's go, let's do this, and I don't

774
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 6: think I understood the scope of I don't know that

775
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 6: I understood at the moment, like this whole episode is

776
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 6: going to revolve around me and I the story about

777
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 6: you know, finding yourself and appreciating your history. And it's

778
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 6: just it's such a in looking back and then living

779
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 6: this life that I've lived. Since then I realized, like

780
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 6: it still tracks like that entire the entire messaging of

781
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 6: that episode still tracks and stay is so true to

782
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 6: who I work so hard to be and who I'm

783
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 6: hoping to you know, also raise in my children, and

784
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 6: this like it just and that's the thing. It's like, no,

785
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 6: like what kind of programming does that anymore for like teenagers?

786
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: Like right, nothing, that doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't.

787
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: It's one of the things we talk about all the

788
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: time is for some reason, somewhere, someone decided on some

789
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: level at the networks that kids are totally different now

790
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: and wouldn' appreciate stuff like this anymore. And I just

791
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: think that's one hundred percent wrong. So yeah, this stuff

792
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: like this just doesn't really exist. Disney Channel a little bit,

793
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: we'll kind of touch on this, but the kind of

794
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: in between young Disney channel and you know old NBC.

795
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: There's kind of nothing anymore, and it's just this this

796
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: this wasteland.

797
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, well you know what it was.

798
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 6: It's just there was this there was this perfect marriage

799
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 6: of all the things that you know, made being young cool,

800
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 6: but then all the things that parents didn't want their

801
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 6: children to sort of lose in the face of that

802
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 6: effort of being cool, you know. So it's like there's like,

803
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 6: you know, because listen, I'm raised by very traditional people,

804
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 6: and so like I'm forty or I'll be forty this year,

805
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 6: and my dad, if I'm watching a sex scene with him,

806
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 6: he will still cover my eyes like that.

807
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: You guys have children, I know what this is about.

808
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 6: Yeah. So, like even I remember, like you know, like

809
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 6: the little like you know, the the peck on the

810
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 6: lips between the pangan corey and like stuff like that

811
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 6: that was still a little like taboo for my age

812
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 6: at least and for what I was allowed to be

813
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 6: exposed to. But that's what brought in an audience to

814
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 6: be like, Okay, this is relatable, this is real stuff.

815
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 6: And then you still had that wholesomeness. You still had

816
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 6: that entire like vibe that I think, you know, it's

817
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 6: so sad to see it kind of like dissipate or be.

818
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 6: There's got to be a way to like reignite that

819
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 6: and bring that back. And I mean, you guys should

820
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 6: just resurrect that whole concept on your own. I'm here

821
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 6: to support you all the way.

822
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: Thank you.

823
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 5: So you said this was something that had to be

824
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 5: fit into your very busy schedule.

825
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 4: Do you remember were you there all week?

826
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 5: Did you attend the table read straight through to tape

827
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 5: night or were you there only for a couple of days.

828
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 5: What are your memories about the work week?

829
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 6: I I, yeah, any of that. I do remember craft service.

830
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: Okay, when you're a kid, everybody remembers crass.

831
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: Tell us about your memories of craft.

832
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 6: That's all I cared about. There was snacks and food

833
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 6: galore and sweets and just there was no no and

834
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 6: like I was not allowed to like drink soda. I

835
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 6: don't know what my dad thought was in Coca cola,

836
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 6: but like I was not allowed to drink it, and

837
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 6: so I was like having soda. I was like, let's

838
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 6: do this, like.

839
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 4: You where it's at.

840
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember giving us our scripts?

841
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't.

842
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 3: So you did you gave us each a script, which

843
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: I still have mine somewhere with a nice like the

844
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: only script I kept from drew something for each of

845
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: us signature.

846
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool.

847
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: You drew us each other like our own personal little picture,

848
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: and then you wrote something really nice on all our scripts.

849
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really sweet.

850
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 6: Oh that's awesome thing.

851
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 5: Do you have any memory of the tape night where

852
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 5: you at a live studio audience keeping?

853
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: Okay, I do that.

854
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 6: I remember that. I remember because I think I was

855
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: so overwhelmed with emotion. I like, weirdly, I've always loved

856
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 6: public speaking, Like I got this like weird high from it.

857
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: I've enjoyed it. I remember I was I had to

858
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 6: give a like acceptance speech at the Lincoln Center in

859
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 6: New York. I don't know. I was like also twelve thirteen,

860
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 6: fourteen around there, and I was so nervous up until

861
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 6: I got on there and I was like, oh, I'm

862
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 6: going my speech and like running through my ideas and

863
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 6: how I was gonna flow through it all. And I

864
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 6: was like sweating, sweating, sweating, and then I got up there.

865
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 6: So I remember being so incredibly nervous because I was like,

866
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 6: what if they don't clap and what and and I

867
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 6: don't know who it was, but I remember someone told me,

868
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 6: like we're giving them cues like don't worry, like they

869
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 6: know they know.

870
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, no way.

871
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: Michael Jacobs used to always tell us, don't worry if

872
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: they don't like your joke. I have a machine that

873
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: thinks you're hysterical. So it's like, okay, all right, that's

874
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: good to know.

875
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: Were both of your parents at tape night?

876
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 5: Like?

877
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: Did did your grandmother come? Do you remember who was there?

878
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 6: If my grandma came, My parents definitely came. My parents

879
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 6: came over, but probably probably Mama came to. I have

880
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 6: to look, you know, and going and having doing this move.

881
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 6: I'm coming across like phot things that have just been

882
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 6: shelved for so long, and I'm finding so many sweet

883
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 6: memories and I'm gonna go like, once I go through everything,

884
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 6: I'm gonna find I tried to see if I could

885
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 6: find anything, but there's like a whole nother attic at

886
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 6: my old studio that I'm too scared to go into.

887
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 6: There's just you know, I'm working on digitizing all of that,

888
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 6: so I'm gonna it'll all come back to me, you know,

889
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 6: I get like a flash and a picture. I mean,

890
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 6: that's the thing. I think. The chaos of my life

891
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 6: was so overwhelming that it almost worked as this double

892
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 6: edged sword. Like it, you know, gave me all these

893
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 6: wonderful memories and experiences, but a lot of those memories

894
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 6: were kind of blurred because I was just like on

895
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 6: autopilot a lot of the time. You know, Like once

896
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 6: I was in high school, I only attended school twice

897
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 6: a week because I was on like red eyes every

898
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 6: single week, going for shows and different events. And I

899
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 6: kind of carried that through, you know. Once I was

900
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 6: at UCLA, I was able to model my schedule more

901
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 6: to my my liking. But same thing. And I think

902
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 6: when are in like just that repetitive cycle of doing,

903
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 6: you know, well, the production of the art wasn't the

904
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 6: same the experience of promoting the art and myself and

905
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 6: all of that. It was a very well oiled machine,

906
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 6: you know, and I was just like, I think that

907
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 6: in many ways kind of like surprised a lot of

908
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 6: these memories because I was just trying to like get

909
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 6: through it, just get through it, you know.

910
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 3: So not to go back too far, but you mentioned

911
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: something really interesting when we first started talking, and then

912
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: I'm curious, as you're now moving studios and you're finding

913
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: this old stuff. You said, this essentially in your life

914
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: is a visual diary. So when you find something, a

915
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: piece you haven't seen in a while, do you instantly

916
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: go back to what made just like you're reading a

917
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: diary page, like you're right back to what made you

918
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 3: pay that pit?

919
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 6: Wow? Yes, that's a great question. But it functions precisely

920
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 6: as a portal. It is so bizarre. It literally I

921
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 6: look at piece, I enter it, and it's as if

922
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 6: I'm like having this like I don't even know, this

923
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 6: like psychedelic experience going back in time. It's the most

924
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 6: bizarre thing because particularly with a very very early work

925
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 6: before you know, life gets lifey and you get jaded

926
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 6: and things happened, particular with that early work. I mean,

927
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 6: it becomes this like visceral back into the past experience,

928
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 6: you know, like where I'm I can feel that feeling,

929
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 6: I can feel the sentiment. I can often like I

930
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 6: have smells that I associate with certain pieces. It's very strange,

931
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 6: and I mean, listen, I can't make that claim for

932
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 6: every single work, because I am very productive and prolific

933
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 6: and I make a lot of things sometimes for the

934
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 6: sake of just exercising my hand. It's not always you know,

935
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 6: this deep profound meaning or whatnot, but there are certain pieces,

936
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 6: a lot of them that do that for me. And

937
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 6: I think, so long as I have that connection with

938
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 6: the work, I think I'm okay. I you know, during

939
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 6: a very exhausting time of my life, I think I've

940
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 6: lost that a little bit, which is really sad. Creative,

941
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 6: you know, you don't want to lose that connection with

942
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 6: what why you're making, what what you're making, you know,

943
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 6: just do it for the sake of, oh whatever, because

944
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 6: I have to fill up you know, requirements or whatnot.

945
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 6: But no, that's that's it's It's so interesting. I wonder.

946
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's that way for every artist

947
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 6: or every every person or like performers, like it does

948
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 6: that happens you guys? I mean of course, right, because

949
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 6: you have days you remember certain things that you were

950
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 6: going through that day, or like maybe something terrible happened

951
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 6: in your personal life, but you still had to show

952
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 6: up on set, right.

953
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, I think you're kind of in a

954
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: rarefied air though, especially you, because there's you're not going

955
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: to have a lot of artists, especially visual artists, who's

956
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: you know, career goes back to the time when they're six.

957
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: And seven years old.

958
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you're you're you're probably be in

959
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: a very that'd be a very very boring reunion of

960
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: artists who started at seven. I'm guessing there's it's yeah,

961
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: you're not going to be filling a hiat.

962
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: But I think for like when we've been doing this rewatch,

963
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: it's happened to all of us at some point or

964
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: another word. Because we don't we won't remember the episode,

965
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: we won't remember like what happens next, but then suddenly

966
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: we'll kind of remember the feeling in our body of

967
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: like being there, and like that's happened to all of

968
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: us at one point or another. And like sometimes it's

969
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: about what's happening behind the scenes, like I'm like, I'm

970
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: not I'm uncomfortable, Like it's making my skin crawl or something.

971
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh right, that was a bad day

972
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: on set.

973
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: It is a little bit of like, you know, but

974
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: it's not as conscious, you know, because we weren't the

975
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: ones always creating there. You know, our bodies were there,

976
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: our voices were there. You're talking about having put so

977
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: much mental exercise into why this thing exists.

978
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times we didn't know why

979
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: it existed.

980
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: We were just kind of thrust out onto stage and

981
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: like go, yeah, so yeah, it's a little different.

982
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: Okay, So after you do Boy Meets World, do you

983
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 5: do you do any other acting? Have you ever thought

984
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: about canntinuing to act or acting again?

985
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 6: It's so funny. I did a bunch of different auditions.

986
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 6: I remember I audition for Princess Leah. I did. I

987
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 6: did like a bunch, like a bunch of bunch of

988
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 6: bunch and it's just like it was very, very hard

989
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 6: to stay committed. That in and of itself is its

990
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 6: own job. You know. Like it's so funny because my

991
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 6: dad's like, my our daughter loves theater. She's you know,

992
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 6: loves loves and she's very theatrical and so it suits her.

993
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 6: But you know, my dad's like, you should get her

994
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 6: into auditions, and you I was like, yeah, who's going

995
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 6: to drive her. It's going to drive her, Like I'm

996
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 6: going to uber her to auditions at nine? Like what,

997
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 6: like we can't you know, He's like, but I think

998
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 6: there was just so much going on, and our cops

999
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 6: were all so full, and the travel schedule was so demanding,

1000
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 6: and it just wasn't a sustainable thing to I couldn't

1001
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 6: nurture my studio time' an honor my studio time holy

1002
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 6: and do something else. I think that was kind of

1003
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 6: the issue, my interest and the fun that I had

1004
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 6: doing it, And you know, I think I probably could

1005
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 6: have ended up being not bad at it if I

1006
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 6: if I continued, was there for sure, But it's you know,

1007
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 6: it's kind of like picking and choosing. I you know,

1008
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 6: it wasn't it was impossible to do both at the

1009
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 6: same time.

1010
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 4: At least, yes, I totally understand that.

1011
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 5: My mom jokes because I used to say I was

1012
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 5: a gymnast before I was an actor, and my mom

1013
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 5: was like, no, Danielle, you were just in gymnastics. You

1014
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 5: you took gymnastics. But I could not do them both

1015
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: because I couldn't commit to gymnastics class and also regularly

1016
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 5: be at auditions. So we all had to make a

1017
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 5: choice totally sacrifices.

1018
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 6: I mean, listen, you guys were kids too. It's no joke,

1019
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 6: like it's you know, you you choose, and if you're

1020
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 6: lucky enough to have the guidance and support of wonderful people, parents, managers, agents,

1021
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 6: whatever it is, then that's your extra bless But like

1022
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 6: it's not, you know, I look back, I'm like, dang,

1023
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 6: I can't imagine my daughter having the schedule that I had, Like,

1024
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm telling you, we can't study for twenty

1025
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 6: vocabulary words in five days. Like, I don't know, right, right?

1026
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 6: I know?

1027
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: Well, wait, so you've you've talked about kind of different

1028
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 3: times you've gone through in your life and with starting young,

1029
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 3: did you ever burn out? Was there ever a time

1030
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: where you were like, I'm done, I don't ever want

1031
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: to touch a paintbrush again.

1032
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 6: Hmmm? So I never had that resentment towards the craft,

1033
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 6: so to speak. I think my resentment was towards the

1034
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 6: lack of understanding from the people that I was working

1035
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 6: with at one point in my life. And it's not

1036
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 6: that I'm blaming other people, right, I think it's the

1037
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 6: expectation that began surrounding me. I think the fact that

1038
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 6: I showed up for so many years in a certain

1039
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 6: way that you know, if I wanted to like reel

1040
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 6: it back a bit, it was like WHOA, don't need

1041
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 6: twenty red paintings or whatever, you know. And I think

1042
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 6: it was and that's just I think becoming an adult

1043
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 6: and growing up and recognizing that you know, people are

1044
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 6: trying to control you, and that you do have your

1045
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 6: own identity and you have to work on that.

1046
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 5: And so.

1047
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 6: The burnout for me was not between me and the

1048
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 6: act of art making. The burnout was I can't keep

1049
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 6: up with the demand of the work, which is a

1050
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 6: beautiful problem, and it was a great problem, but it

1051
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 6: was impacting the quality of the work, and it was

1052
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 6: making me feel like I wasn't excited anymore about going

1053
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 6: to share the stuff that I was making. And in

1054
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 6: that moment, I knew that I was hitting some kind

1055
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 6: of like a wall or a block or whatever you

1056
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 6: want to call it. Because I thrive. I love being

1057
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 6: able to take the workout and talk about it like

1058
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 6: that's the artist I am, that's the artist. Maybe it's

1059
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 6: because it's how I was trained to be or told

1060
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 6: to be. It doesn't matter. I love doing that. You

1061
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 6: have a lot of artists contemporaries of mine, that literally

1062
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 6: don't even show up to their own openings, you know,

1063
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 6: or like the work must speak for itself. I'm like cool, bro,

1064
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 6: that's great, but like also like not everyone has this

1065
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 6: ability like you. I've always made an effort to try

1066
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 6: to get people to be cool with art, right because

1067
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 6: I as a child, I think I could speak for

1068
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 6: all of us probably, like the only exposure to art

1069
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 6: that you would have is like when you were forced

1070
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 6: to write a report and you had to go to

1071
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 6: the museum that one time in your life, yep. And

1072
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 6: then when you like stuck your nose too close to

1073
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 6: a canvas, like there'd be a security guard swatting your

1074
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 6: face out of the way because oh my god. You know.

1075
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 6: So there's just this like elitism that's always associated with art.

1076
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 6: There's always just like you're not smart enough, you're not

1077
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 6: rich enough, you're not And I hated that. I hated

1078
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 6: it because for me, it felt like such a primal

1079
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 6: need to connect with the emotions attached to a painting

1080
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 6: or a sculpture, Like I wanted to, like you go

1081
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 6: up to a canvas and smell it, and I want

1082
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 6: to go up to a bronze piece and touch it,

1083
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 6: and you know, And so that's how I'm like obsessed

1084
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 6: with public art and I think it's so important, like

1085
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 6: within like, you know, the the life of any community.

1086
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 6: I think that you know, I just it's it's, it's

1087
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 6: it's really it's been a there's certain things that have

1088
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 6: taken a greater level of importance for me now that

1089
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 6: like I've kind of gotten out of like the chaos,

1090
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 6: and I've been able to sort of create my own design,

1091
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 6: if you will, for what I like, you know, I'm

1092
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 6: still having my shows a couple of times a year

1093
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 6: with galleries that I want to work with. I'm constantly

1094
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 6: in my studio the best I can be, but then

1095
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 6: I'm also surrendering a bit of that time so that

1096
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 6: I can be with my kids, so that i can

1097
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 6: do other projects that I'm working on, you know, delving

1098
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 6: into different spaces, and I think it's just kind of

1099
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 6: it's ebbs and flows. It's never like you just there's

1100
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 6: not really like a certain mole that you that you fit. Like,

1101
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 6: I just had this like runoff kind of cycle that

1102
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 6: I was obligated and I felt very responsible to so

1103
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 6: many people to maintain, you know, from my family, you know,

1104
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 6: at one point, over twenty employees to like, you know,

1105
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 6: it's no joke, Like I'd come home from school at

1106
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 6: three pm. I had a guy whose sole job was

1107
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 6: to bring reproductions of my pieces, so like lithographs, and

1108
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 6: I would sit for like two hours and sign after school,

1109
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 6: and sometimes depending on edition releases, I would sit and

1110
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 6: sign before school at like five to like seven in

1111
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 6: the morning when I left. You know, like these are

1112
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 6: weird expectations and not like it wasn't this like bohemian

1113
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 6: artists experience that, like one day I will live on

1114
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 6: a goat farm and it's gonna happen. But until then, right, yeah,

1115
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: you like I didn't get that like whole, like on

1116
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 6: the beach in Tahiti and I'm just painting and then

1117
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 6: there's like someone coming to take my paintings and the

1118
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 6: nifely go to New York. Like this is the whole thing,

1119
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 6: you know. And I think that I wanted to always

1120
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 6: because it was born of true, real passion and it

1121
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 6: wasn't born of my parents capitalizing or exploiting or you

1122
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 6: know whatever. I think I always had that as a

1123
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 6: foundation and that's what kept me so deeply connected even

1124
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 6: when I felt like exhausted, you know.

1125
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 3: And I'm curious from an artist's standpoint, because you said that

1126
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: your studio had been in your parents' house for like

1127
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: thirty years. Have you noticed that the art has changed

1128
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: now that the location has changed?

1129
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 6: Great question. So my studio was outside of the physical home.

1130
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 6: But yeah, so what began happening again happening is, you know,

1131
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 6: boundaries get blurred and everyone gets real cozy and excited.

1132
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 6: And you know, when before I had children, I was

1133
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 6: able to like come in with a more kind of

1134
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 6: clear schedule, like I'm in the studio for eight hours

1135
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 6: today or I'm painting all night and sleeping till two

1136
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 6: pm tomorrow because I can, you know, And when I

1137
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 6: had that sort of approach to the work process, it

1138
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 6: was less impacted by everyone else, if that makes sense,

1139
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 6: you know, like it just now because I am at

1140
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 6: the Mercy, I'm an underpaid employee.

1141
00:55:59,640 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: To my.

1142
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 6: And I basically just have to do everything you know,

1143
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 6: for want to and have to, but do a lot

1144
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 6: of things that take me away from my studio. I

1145
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 6: find like windows of time now, so it's like, you know,

1146
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 6: three four hour block or you know, my husband is

1147
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 6: a wonderful co parent and so he's very supportive and

1148
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 6: sometimes I'm like I need to be in the studio

1149
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 6: before I lose my mind, like I'm not cooking dinner.

1150
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 6: For the next three days, no one talked to me

1151
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 6: unless the house is trumbling, like, please do not call

1152
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 6: me two times in a row, I will go nuts,

1153
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 6: like everything's okay, you've got this. I have to go.

1154
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 6: I have to go. I have to go, you know.

1155
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 6: And so it's it's it began happening where I was, like,

1156
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 6: you know, coming in, I had this like sacred period

1157
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 6: of two, three, four or five hours. Sometimes I'd make things.

1158
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 6: Sometimes I would just sit there because sometimes you can't

1159
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 6: just turn it on a button and start painting. And

1160
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 6: then you know, my dad would come home early and

1161
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 6: he'd be like, I bought a bottle of wine. I'm like, god,

1162
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 6: it's two thirty PM. Like I have three hours in

1163
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 6: here before I have to go, do you know second

1164
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 6: grade math? Like I can't like no, and also like

1165
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 6: please leave, like leave, I love you, but like I

1166
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 6: want to be in here by myself. So you know,

1167
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 6: it's it's that wasn't the the the urge for the move.

1168
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 6: The move just had to happen. It was a natural

1169
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 6: like and and but I realize now that there are

1170
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 6: certain things that just the experience in my studio was

1171
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 6: no longer just mine with my work, which is what

1172
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 6: I love most about it and why I held so

1173
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 6: steadfast to it and the most egotistical, selfish way. I mean,

1174
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 6: I think that is the greatest part of any part

1175
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 6: of the art experience for any artist. And there's something

1176
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 6: about us that loves this solitude and loves this time

1177
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 6: with your own thoughts and with your own feelings. And

1178
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 6: you know, when there's constant people intercepting that with the

1179
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 6: purest of intention, it's really messing up the flow, especially

1180
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 6: when the flow is limited now and it's not you know,

1181
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 6: me staying up from midnight to six am, like you know,

1182
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 6: I'm I'm I'm working on crunch time here and I

1183
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 6: want to try to see what I can do and

1184
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 6: like so in that sense, it's been really beautiful for

1185
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 6: me to kind of like I'm in and out at

1186
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 6: any time. I don't feel bad if like the dog

1187
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 6: barks because I went through the side gate at one

1188
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 6: in the morning, I don't There's like all these things

1189
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 6: that they weren't even problems or impediments, But now I

1190
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 6: can look back and be like those were subconsciously kind

1191
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 6: of affecting the way that I was connecting with with

1192
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 6: this process of making my art, and so you know,

1193
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 6: it's I think the work. I don't know if it's

1194
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 6: necessarily different, but I'm surely living it in a different way,

1195
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 6: so it must it must be in some capacity, because yeah,

1196
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 6: it must be.

1197
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 5: Well, the theater of your high school, Lutheran High of

1198
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 5: Orange County, is now named after you. I'm just wondering

1199
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 5: if we could possibly say that it's because of your

1200
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 5: work on Boy Meets World?

1201
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: Are we are welcome?

1202
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 5: Right?

1203
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 6: Honestly, you should all be up there with me.

1204
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1205
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 6: It's so crazy because I received such deep support from

1206
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 6: my alma mater. They like off the bat, were like,

1207
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 6: let's go. As long as you can keep a certain GPA,

1208
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 6: We're with you.

1209
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1210
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 6: Again, I was only attending school two times a week.

1211
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 6: I remember my parents approaching a lot of the like

1212
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 6: LA high schools, and you know, I think at that

1213
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 6: point there's such a flux of child actors. They're like, no, right,

1214
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 6: so we're not dealing with this, no, you know, and

1215
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 6: and and the good and the bad that that comes

1216
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 6: with with with all of that, and so I couldn't

1217
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 6: go to I ended up going to school in Orange

1218
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 6: County because they were basically the only ones who were

1219
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 6: willing to take this ryde with me. And you know,

1220
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 6: I think I always returned back to this like real

1221
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 6: appreciation and like whatever the reason is that they chose

1222
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 6: to say es is irrelevant, because it was the right

1223
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 6: thing and the right time for me. You know, It's

1224
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 6: what I needed. I needed another brick added to you know,

1225
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 6: this this this this house of my life and experience

1226
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 6: that we were building that I was lacking and I

1227
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 6: needed that extra like cushion and guidance and support, and

1228
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 6: we got you. And you can do this also, and

1229
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 6: you know you have certain responsibility for your grades, but

1230
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 6: if you cover that, like we're happy to like take

1231
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 6: the rind with you, you know. And so it was

1232
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 6: again a lot of these these these realizations have come

1233
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 6: only well after the fact. You know, I was obviously

1234
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 6: deeply grateful for them and all of that, But only

1235
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 6: now years later can I understand like that was also

1236
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 6: a big commitment for them, and truly a big risk.

1237
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 6: I mean, I was a teenager. They didn't know if

1238
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 6: I was going to go off the rails at any point,

1239
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 6: I mean, why not, you know, and so huge liability

1240
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 6: and they still did it, and so I'm so grateful

1241
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 6: for them. I think they they understood that sense of

1242
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 6: gratitude and respect and it was mutually a mutual sentiment

1243
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 6: that we shared. And so you know, they decided to

1244
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 6: build this beautiful performing arts center that's you know, really

1245
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 6: become like kind of this important staple in the community there,

1246
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 6: Like they do amazing production. I was just there a

1247
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 6: couple of months ago, like two months ago, and I saw,

1248
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 6: you know, this entire theater and arts programming that they're running,

1249
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 6: like I was in the ap art class, like working

1250
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 6: with someone with the kids, and like it's just I'm

1251
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 6: you know, really proud to be associated and affiliated with

1252
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 6: anybody who recognizes how important the arts still are. And

1253
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 6: you know, like even in the face of all of

1254
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 6: the surge of social media and technology and all the things,

1255
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 6: like you still need your designers and you still need

1256
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 6: your creative eyes and like, don't tell me AI, like

1257
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 6: I don't want to hear it, Like yeah, use it

1258
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 6: for efficiency, no problem, Like I'm all about it. By

1259
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 6: the way, I needed cliff notes of book that's being

1260
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 6: read in the fourth grain. I was like, I'm not

1261
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 6: reading for your hundred pages right now. Absolutely not. Could

1262
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 6: you please tell me? I literally it's as if I

1263
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 6: just discovered chapter GPT by the way, in the last

1264
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 6: two weeks and I got caught red handed, and my

1265
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 6: daughter's like, can you download on my iPad?

1266
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, not.

1267
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 6: Money to.

1268
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: Bypass reading. You have to do it.

1269
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 6: But you know, it's it's so it's so funny because

1270
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 6: I I want, I still really believe. I believe that

1271
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 6: it's not a lost cause. I believe that there's you know,

1272
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 6: we have to honor that, you know, that part of

1273
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 6: the brain. And it's not about your skill set. It's

1274
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 6: not about how good you are, how trained you are.

1275
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 6: I think this need to just find something where you

1276
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 6: could be your us to you and your truest you

1277
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 6: and just like whatever that is, dancing, kicking around a

1278
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 6: soccer ball, I don't care, you know, but it's like

1279
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 6: really reconnecting with that impulse to self express. And you know,

1280
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 6: I obviously sustained the visual arts for very obvious reasons,

1281
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 6: but I think it comes down to anything that is

1282
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 6: able to generate this space to pause, yeah and maybe

1283
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 6: say something thoughtfully and not just because it's clickbait and

1284
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 6: quick and fast and you know, it's like, so yeah.

1285
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 5: Alexandra, thank you so much for being here with us.

1286
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 5: Thank you for being a part of the legacy of

1287
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 5: Boy Meets World. It's really been so wonderful to have you.

1288
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 5: You are infinitely more fascinating than I ever. I mean

1289
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 5: you were you were fascinating on paper, but talking to you,

1290
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,959
Speaker 5: getting to know you a little bit better, you're even

1291
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 5: more interesting and fascinating than you appear on paper.

1292
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Speaker 4: So thank you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for bringing that to us and sharing it

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Speaker 5: with us. And honestly, it's a little intimidating when you

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Speaker 5: think about how great you were coming into what we

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Speaker 5: did and doing it so effortlessly, and yet none of

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Speaker 5: us could step into what you do and do even

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Speaker 5: a fraction of what you can do.

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Speaker 1: Grow We're irrationally angry.

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Speaker 6: Thank you. Thank you guys for being a part of

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Speaker 6: one of the most meaningful memories in my in my life.

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Speaker 6: I'm so grateful, and thanks for giving me street cred

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Speaker 6: with all the kids these days.

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Speaker 5: I really thank you. It's been such a joy to

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Speaker 5: see you and thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Emotional thank you.

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Speaker 3: Are you. Are you doing any any shows around here

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Speaker 3: that we can come and say hi and see your

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Speaker 3: work and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 6: My studio is open to you guys anytime. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I am I'm having I'm doing a show on park Sity,

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Speaker 6: I'm doing a few things outside of the state. I

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Speaker 6: just did an event at the end of the year

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Speaker 6: this year sort of announcing that I'm moving into the

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Speaker 6: home space. So I'm going to create like functional part Basically, Oh,

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Speaker 6: I can actually show you this. Here is my handy

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Speaker 6: dandy candle holder.

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Speaker 4: This, this is going to be one of the pieces.

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Speaker 6: This is gonna be one of the pieces.

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Speaker 1: Also cool, so I'm.

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Speaker 6: Taking you know. The thing is like with thirty years

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Speaker 6: of IP, I could literally sit and never make anything again,

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Speaker 6: which is obviously not gonna happen. But we realize we

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Speaker 6: have all this incredible these assets of images that like

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Speaker 6: also like, if you bring in and create the right team,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't have to be stuff that I'm sitting there

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Speaker 6: dissecting all day long. Like, if we work collaboratively with

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Speaker 6: people who can see things through a different lens, it

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Speaker 6: just makes sense to bring the work into a much

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Speaker 6: more like tangible situation. And like, you know, a lot

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Speaker 6: of my collectors like great obviously they can afford the paintings,

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Speaker 6: but their walls are filled up, so they're like, what's next.

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Speaker 6: And then there's a lot of people who like don't

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Speaker 6: have the ability, Like I collect art, but half the

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Speaker 6: things I want to buy are well outside my means,

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Speaker 6: you know, And so I would love to create an

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Speaker 6: entire like landscape of work that is functional, that's you know, beautiful,

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Speaker 6: that's representative of who I am, and that people can

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Speaker 6: actually afford to buy. So that's where we're apps.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 6: I have that, But until I will see you guys.

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Speaker 4: Until then, where can people find you?

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Speaker 1: Also?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we will come visit for sure, but where can

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Speaker 5: people find you?

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Speaker 4: What is your Instagram? Where can people see what you're doing?

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Speaker 6: My Instagram is alex underscore Nikita. I love Instagram. I

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Speaker 6: don't know how to use any other social assets, okay,

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Speaker 6: and that's the only place. And I'm very sharing on

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Speaker 6: there sometimes to sharing, I get phone calls a couple

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Speaker 6: times a day, going close friends only please, so you know,

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Speaker 6: But that's the best place, and I actually, for me,

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Speaker 6: it's been a wonderful platform. Like I know everyone has

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Speaker 6: love hate relationship with these things, but I've mentained such

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Speaker 6: a nice like it's given me the chance to say

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Speaker 6: the things when I don't, you know, necessarily have been

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Speaker 6: all figured out in the studio, and I use it

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Speaker 6: all the time.

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Speaker 5: Well, we will find you there, and I hope our

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Speaker 5: listeners find you there as well. Thank you again, so much,

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Speaker 5: so great to see you. We will be in touch

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Speaker 5: to make plans to come visit.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much. I can't wait. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 6: you guys. This is it's so great.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, my gosh, we're going to that studio.

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Speaker 4: Were to that studio.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even want to get into it, but I

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Speaker 3: was so drawn to the piece that she was sitting

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Speaker 3: in front.

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Speaker 1: Of the colors of that and the horse. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: it just looked amazing. Yeah, looked amazing.

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Speaker 2: What a life.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool, man, It's just cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so you know, what's you know, what's really

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Speaker 2: cool about it to me is how much she clearly

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Speaker 2: is an artist because of process, not.

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Speaker 6: End result, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like a lot of like even when

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Speaker 2: I think about the things that I've always wanted to do,

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Speaker 2: like be an actor, be a writer, Half the time

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Speaker 2: I hate the process being on set, but I hate auditioning.

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Speaker 2: I hate going.

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Speaker 1: I hated all the all the work, which but you

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Speaker 1: have to you.

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Speaker 2: Have to love all the process, right And with writing,

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Speaker 2: like I've you know, very only recently come to this

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Speaker 2: realization like all my life, I've been writing as if

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Speaker 2: I'm going to someday not have to write.

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Speaker 1: Again, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, Oh, I'm going to write the thing that's going

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Speaker 2: to be big enough to that, And I'm like, wait

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Speaker 2: to what all I'm gonna want to do is keep writing,

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Speaker 2: so stop being like enjoyed the process. And she seems

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Speaker 2: like from the get go it was like this meditative

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Speaker 2: like self like it was like loving herself, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was like part of like I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: do this because this is how I am becoming who

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Speaker 2: I am going.

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Speaker 4: To be, and it was therapeutic for her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it's like part of her being

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Speaker 2: that she's just going to take the hours every day

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Speaker 2: to do and like that's so cool and I think

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Speaker 2: that's reflected in the work, right, and that's why it's good.

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Speaker 5: Even when she said and then sometimes I would just

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Speaker 5: sit there because you can't just flip the switch and

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Speaker 5: be like if I I you know, listening to her

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Speaker 5: talk about being a mom and her limited hours of things,

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Speaker 5: and I think, yeah, you know those times where it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: I've got a prep for the show I'm directing next week,

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Speaker 5: and I've got an hour and a half and I've

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Speaker 5: got to read the script and I've got to break

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Speaker 5: it down. And it's like if I then had to

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Speaker 5: sit there and couldn't do the thing, I would be like,

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Speaker 5: oh my gosh. And yet for her, like you said,

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Speaker 5: it's so much of it is just like that's the

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Speaker 5: process and that's what I'm doing today, and that's okay.

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Speaker 5: The Yeah, that grace and acceptance of it of it

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Speaker 5: all is, and that she loves it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, also truly once once again a through line we

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Speaker 3: keep seeing supportive parents. Yeah, completely supportive parents that are

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Speaker 3: not throwing you in any business They're not doing for

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Speaker 3: any other reason than whenever you hear as any sort

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Speaker 3: of young entertainer artist, whenever you hear do it to

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Speaker 3: listen no longer fun and then find something else.

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Speaker 1: It just takes such a weight off of everything. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's great to hear that.

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Speaker 5: Also, the trust they placed in her to say, you know,

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Speaker 5: like when she made that decision that she was going

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Speaker 5: to go on tour with her work, and she was

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Speaker 5: like many many conversations and them really explaining to me

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Speaker 5: what it was going to require. Yeah, it's like you

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Speaker 5: know when you when you have you have to trust

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Speaker 5: that your kids are actually understanding and they how can you?

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Speaker 5: How can you truly understand until you've been in the shoes,

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Speaker 5: But you have to go, Okay, I've prepped you.

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Speaker 4: You want this.

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Speaker 5: Of course, if you chan in your mind will back out,

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Speaker 5: but like, this is a big decision and they trusted her.

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Speaker 5: It's it's yeah, really great. Well, thank you all for

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Speaker 5: joining us for this episode of Podmeets World. As always,

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