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Speaker 1: Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Buck is even aware, but Chaos in

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Speaker 1: the College Football playoff rankings was my weekend festivities Buck.

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Speaker 1: I was in Indianapolis, got to meet a bunch of

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Speaker 1: our listeners at the Big Ten Title game. Had an

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Speaker 1: awesome time up there. India is a great just a

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Speaker 1: job of making that just a very accessible spot. They

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Speaker 1: had a ton of different events going on. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I'm putting them on blast too much, but one

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Speaker 1: of the officials, as I was walking around the field

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Speaker 1: for the Big Ten Title game, walked over and sought

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Speaker 1: me out just to say that he loves the radio

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Speaker 1: show and he listens every day. So he's in his

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Speaker 1: full officiating gear getting ready for the Big Ten Big

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Speaker 1: Ten Championship game. You never know who is a Clay

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Speaker 1: and Buck listener out there, and we had a nice chat,

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Speaker 1: so I appreciate him coming over and talking.

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Speaker 2: I was all over the place. I was in d C.

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Speaker 1: I met a bunch of our people for the FIFA draw,

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Speaker 1: called in for that and then Indy and now I'm

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Speaker 1: back home and excited to be with all of you.

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Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of stuff out there, Buck, As

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Speaker 1: we come up on Christmas and as things typically start

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Speaker 1: to slow down a bit, there's actually some big stories

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Speaker 3: With front page story Today's New York Times, Ukraine huge grift.

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Speaker 1: There is billions and billions, probably frankly hundreds of billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars that suddenly on the front page of the

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Speaker 1: New York Times they acknowledge has been intentionally set up

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Speaker 1: to allow theft.

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Speaker 2: I think that when.

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Speaker 1: We look at Ukraine and Russia and the peace plan

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Speaker 1: that is moving through there, Buck, I think one of

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Speaker 1: the challenges is Ukrainians are increasingly becoming aware that there

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Speaker 1: is a great deal of corruption surrounding everything having to

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Speaker 1: do with the Zolenski. How much he's personally involved and

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Speaker 1: and or benefiting remains.

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Speaker 2: To be seen.

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Speaker 1: But it is the case that yet another conspiracy has

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Speaker 1: been proven to be true that people who are have

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Speaker 1: been arguing, Hey, a ton of our money that we've

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Speaker 1: been sending there is not being spent on defending Ukraine

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Speaker 1: or fighting Russia. It's actually lining the pockets of elite

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Speaker 1: people in power in Ukraine. That has one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: been proven to the extent that now even the New

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Speaker 1: York Times is willing to put it on the front

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Speaker 1: page of the newspaper, so we can get into that

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes interviews Marjorie Taylor Green. As soon as you

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Speaker 1: decide that you want to rip Trump, suddenly you are

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Speaker 1: worthy of a sixty minutes profile. But I actually think

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Speaker 1: this story is more signific again than maybe many would realize,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to play out over the next year,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be a big decision for the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration, DOJ and for the Antitrust to analyze. And

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Speaker 1: that is that Netflix is trying to buy Warner Brothers,

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Speaker 1: the HBO essential portion of Warner Brothers, the Harry Potter

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Speaker 1: film franchise, the Game of Thrones, anything that you've watched

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Speaker 1: on HBO. Netflix is trying to buy Paramount, which has

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Speaker 1: been acquired by the Ellison family. Paramount has put in

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Speaker 1: a larger bid to buy the entirety of Warner Brothers,

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Speaker 1: which would include CNN. So if you are out there

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Speaker 1: right now and you're listening to me, I and Buck,

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Speaker 1: and you're saying, Okay, you know, maybe you subscribe to Netflix,

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Speaker 1: maybe you'll watch HBO occasionally. But you're saying, Clay, why

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Speaker 1: should I care who owns this company? I think it's

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes, I think if Netflix buys HBO, that it

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Speaker 1: is a mostly left wing organization. Netflix is. I think

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Speaker 1: trying to run CNN as what it used to be.

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Speaker 3: You know, you worked at CNN back in the day

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Speaker 3: before they went full crazy, Buck.

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Speaker 2: But I witnessed the transition to full crazy.

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Speaker 3: Just I was there when you know, in f any

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Speaker 2: I witnessed that at CNN.

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Speaker 1: So for those of us who are old enough to

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Speaker 3: Of things, when during the Gulf War, for instance, CNN

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Speaker 3: in terms of his show on a nightly basis, you

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Speaker 3: He got good guests, they had conversations. CNN lost its way,

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Speaker 3: and I do think that if CNN ends up staying

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Speaker 3: There are some broader trends as well, though, that CNN

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Speaker 3: Gulf War and CNN's absolute heyday, which I would say

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Speaker 3: is the nineties era CNN Clay, that was really pre

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Speaker 3: or early stage Internet. People can get information from anywhere now, right,

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Speaker 3: this is right? What do we do here that they

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Speaker 3: don't do in the ap headlines? We entertain we engage,

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Speaker 3: we bring a point of view, we bring life stories,

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Speaker 3: we bring you a conversation. Right, we're with our friends

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Speaker 3: talking about these things. We're not breaking news on the

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Speaker 3: latest ceasefire between Thailand and Cambodia because by the time

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Speaker 3: somebody does that, it's on the global Internet and everybody's done, right,

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Speaker 3: doesn't Really that's a thing that I think is ongoing.

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Speaker 3: By the way, there's fighting between the two countries, in

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Speaker 3: case you didn't know, So that's something that's going on.

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Speaker 3: We are in an era now, Clay where storytelling, connection

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Speaker 3: to audience, analysis, and trustworthiness of the person, not of

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Speaker 3: how to see ann operate in an era where that's

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Speaker 3: have an audience. I think this is the challenge that

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Speaker 3: we've entered a new era of news and information online.

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Speaker 3: And there's some great parts about that. There are some

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Speaker 3: was mostly because Jeff Zucker hated Trump and it was personal.

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Speaker 3: But beyond that, you know, they brought in that other

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Speaker 3: There's not really an audience for a CNN that's not

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Speaker 3: full of lunatics. Here's my concern as we look at

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Speaker 3: And I'm very thankful that Elon Musk has had a

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Speaker 3: And so I think right now the framework for how

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Speaker 3: associated with it. If you're not paying attention to what

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Speaker 3: so this is a big story. This is an important one.

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Speaker 1: I understand it's a little bit in the weeds because

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Speaker 1: then it's going to involve antitrust law and it's going

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Speaker 1: over the next eighteen months. But I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: also right now buck a huge presidential power case which

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Speaker 2: God going forward? So we're coming up on the end

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of things that I think

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Speaker 1: that may slide under the radar because everybody's got Christmas parties.

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Speaker 3: Stocking up on Buddy Rose. Clay's coming into town, so

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Speaker 3: we gotta make sure plenty of rose to go around.

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Speaker 3: Some people are saying a big Rose drinker, Kaylee mcanenny

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Speaker 3: calling him out in absentia.

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Speaker 2: I might add that is absentia devastating.

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Speaker 1: This reminds me of when Riley Gaines brought a two

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Speaker 3: Can you guys pull that Pull that one up, because

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Speaker 2: I just want to to be clear.

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Speaker 3: I have my man Clay's back, or I said, I

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Speaker 3: think he's doing sports stuff somewhere, which is, by the way,

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Speaker 3: it's a weekend, wasbably the probably the right answer, and

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Speaker 3: Caylee was like, I don't know. I hear wine tasting,

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe sniffing for the aromas of the rose before

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is just I was out Friday night with our

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Speaker 1: friend Alexi Lawless because they had the FIFA and Andrew Giuliani,

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Speaker 1: with us, another man ordered an espresso martini, which was

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Speaker 1: more attackable worthy, so I was able to shift.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't have to be right. Somebody else just

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Speaker 1: Uh, Ben who was with us, ordered an espresso martini

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Speaker 1: But my rose consumption has u has now led to

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Speaker 1: multiple daily attacks. We're gonna have to get Kaylee back

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Speaker 1: on to talk about that. And I understand if you're

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Speaker 1: saying now, Clay, because you voluntarily consumed rose.

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Speaker 3: So so there's that as well. By the way, we

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Speaker 3: It's it's people who are getting through the lottery system.

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Speaker 3: last well since nineteen sixty five, the Immigration and Naturalization Act.

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Speaker 3: So what's going on? I can't do the math. You know,

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Speaker 3: sixty years and no it is sixty years, that's right.

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Speaker 3: So Clay, it's time that we have a total top

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Speaker 3: down look not only at a legal immigration, but at

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Speaker 3: legal immigration in this country and start to do what

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Speaker 3: we've been told is being done but has been a

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Speaker 3: lie all along, which is actually have this be for

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Speaker 3: immigration first of all, a lot less. We need some

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Speaker 3: assimilation in this country. We need some America time for

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Speaker 3: all of us. Everybody's here as American. We get to

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Speaker 3: spend a little more time together, figure out some things.

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Speaker 3: What you see in the Somali community, which we'll talk

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Speaker 3: about more, with the Somali American community being part of

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Speaker 3: this huge fraud ongoing, many people, lots of folks involved there.

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Speaker 3: This is not a well assimilated community. Yet, Okay, we

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Speaker 3: need some time to assimilate the people who are already here,

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Speaker 3: and Americanness needs to be something that we all agree

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Speaker 3: on and is spreading more.

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Speaker 2: Freely, shall we say? So?

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Speaker 3: This is where the whole Biden thing, though, it's just

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Speaker 3: so galling. Everything that we said all along was true. Yes,

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Speaker 3: everything that we we said on the show about immigration

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Speaker 3: for years and people, it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: And the porter's not open. The porter was absolutely open.

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Speaker 1: It was wide open. It was wide open. It was intentional.

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Speaker 1: And here is the diabolical aspect of all of this.

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Speaker 1: They knew that they were making a generational decision. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Joe Biden really understood it, because I

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Speaker 1: think Biden was so out to lunch he didn't understand

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Speaker 1: anything that was going on. But the Biden puppeteers recognized

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Speaker 1: that they were bringing it in twenty million right now,

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Speaker 1: twenty million illegals who they are gambling will at some

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Speaker 1: point become citizens and end up benefiting them.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the parts of this political calculus

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Speaker 1: that nobody really dove into buck was Trump won Hispanic

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Speaker 1: men and he narrowly lost Hispanic women in the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four election. These are legal Hispanic voters, and obviously

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Speaker 1: the Hispanic vote is you know, living in Miami. There's

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Speaker 1: a big difference between somebody who's from Venezuela and Honduras

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Speaker 1: or you know, like you.

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Speaker 3: Don't want to get that one wrong. Let me tell you.

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Speaker 3: They do not. They do not like when people assume

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Speaker 3: that Hispanics are like this monolith that everyone's the same. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no play beyond that. I just you reminded me of something.

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Speaker 3: The piece is really important. The Democrats, and they're always

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Speaker 3: trying to massage this like, oh no, it was a mistake.

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Speaker 3: They weren't focused on it. But also they admit they

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Speaker 3: say they totally the Democrat and I mean the very

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Speaker 3: top like the Biden White House, the claims and the

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Speaker 3: other people that, you know, they're thrown under the bus now.

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Speaker 3: They all thought that Hispanics would be with them on this. Yes,

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Speaker 3: what they didn't realize is that US citizens of Hispanic

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Speaker 3: origin or ancestry were like, what are you doing giving

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Speaker 3: this away to everybody who arrived five minutes ago who

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Speaker 3: speaks no English. They didn't understand the dynamic. They didn't

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Speaker 3: understand that Cuban Americans who were like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: second third generation, we fled Castro, we came here legally,

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Speaker 3: and you're gonna treat someone who shows up from you know,

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Speaker 3: Mayan mar or a Burma or whatever, you know, are

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Speaker 3: as American as apple pie, even if they just ran

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Speaker 3: across the border illegally. Hispanic community did not actually go

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Speaker 3: for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, I think one of the biggest challenges

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Speaker 1: we have here is the lack of you could talk

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Speaker 1: about the you should if you're moving to America. Number

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Speaker 1: one rule should be you believe America is the greatest

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Speaker 1: country in the history of the world, and you want

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Speaker 1: to ensure that we preserve what made America the greatest

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Speaker 1: country in the history of the world. And a knowledge

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Speaker 1: of Western civilization is integral there, and an embrace of

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Speaker 1: basic values of Western civilization that doesn't exist. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: exist with many of these new immigrants, Which for people

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Speaker 1: out there who say, well, what about when people were

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Speaker 1: coming from Italy or flooding the country from Ireland or

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Speaker 1: all over Europe back in the day, those people overwhelmingly

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Speaker 3: I remember I went, I went a long time ago

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Speaker 3: to the Tenement Museum in New York City. I mean

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Speaker 3: over over a decade ago. But it's a very uh

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Speaker 3: it's a kind of harrowing experience in some ways because

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Speaker 3: you're in all these small rooms in these buildings. It's

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Speaker 3: the same building that these immigrants would have come to.

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Speaker 3: And this is clay in the era of Ellis Island

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Speaker 3: and everything else, you would have a family of eight

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Speaker 3: living in what is essentially one room. You had no

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Speaker 3: welfare services, no check, no free rent, no free food, nothing.

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Speaker 3: There would be outbreaks of typhus and they would have

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Speaker 2: Because these immigrants had no money, they had nothing.

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Speaker 3: This is true of the Irish, the Chinese, you know

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Speaker 3: that were showing up in the the Italians, the Jewish

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Speaker 3: who were showing up in New York City. And people

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Speaker 3: want to compare that to like now you get you know,

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Speaker 3: You're getting an EBT card. Basically you're getting a prepaid

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Speaker 3: absolutely world class medical care. You're not going to pay

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Speaker 1: And all you have to do is sit back rationally

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Speaker 1: Welcome in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton show.

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Speaker 2: As I look up.

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Speaker 1: On my quad box screen here headline at CNN Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court says it will give Trump more control of government.

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Speaker 1: Signals it will give Trump more control of government. Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court poised to expand Trump's power is the kron on

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Speaker 1: Fox News on MSNBC Congress split over deadly boat strikes.

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Speaker 1: So I guess it's ms NOW now ms now, MSNBC

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Speaker 1: crazy people still trying to go after Pete hegset. The

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Speaker 1: other two are actually more interesting, but the contextualization of

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Speaker 1: it from both CNN and Fox News I would actually

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Speaker 1: take issue with only in the context of it's not

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Speaker 1: really Trump getting more power from the Supreme Court. It's

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Speaker 1: the president and every president from here on out, which

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Speaker 1: is why the president should matter. If you want Obama

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Speaker 1: to have more power, if you want Trump to have

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Speaker 1: more power, if you want presidents that we don't know,

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Speaker 1: President Kevin Newsom, President Kamala Harris, god forbid, maybe jd Vance,

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Speaker 1: maybe Marco Rubio, whoever the president's will be for the

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Speaker 1: rest of our lives, they will all have the same

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Speaker 1: power here as Trump and I do think as we

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Speaker 1: were finishing off the last hour, this is a seismically

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Speaker 1: substantial story as it pertains to how all of this

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Speaker 1: will play out. But a couple of stories that are

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Speaker 1: out there that I saw you tweet about this Buck

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Speaker 1: and it seems not necessarily like a huge story, but

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Speaker 1: I actually want to have a discussion because I bet

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Speaker 1: you feel the same way as me. Think it actually

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Speaker 1: goes to the essence of what is and what is

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Speaker 1: not acceptable to say in America and what justification that

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Speaker 1: then befalls you can be utilized when it comes to

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Speaker 1: what you have said when it comes to violence. And

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Speaker 1: I see this story as directly connecting to Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: I think it directly connects to the Trump assassination attempts

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Speaker 1: because at root, and I'm curious if you would sign

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Speaker 1: on for this, I think you probably would. The reason

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Speaker 1: why Charlie Kirk was assassinated and the reason why they

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Speaker 1: tried to kill Trump was because of what they say.

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Speaker 1: There was, in the case of both assassins, a belief

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Speaker 1: that the opinions of Trump the opinions of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1: were unacceptable and henceforth violence could be justified as a

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Speaker 1: result of what they said. This is now becoming orthodox

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Speaker 1: belief in many parts of America. And I thought this

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Speaker 1: case that you shared that I was reading about over

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Speaker 1: the weekend crystallized it. And you may have more specifics,

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Speaker 1: but here's my generalized case criminally of what happened. I

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Speaker 1: believe this was two homeless people in Portland. In the

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Speaker 1: Portland area got into a dispute. One guy happens to

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Speaker 1: be black stabbed another guy happens to be white and

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Speaker 1: the black guy's defense. Again, these are both homeless individuals,

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Speaker 1: to my best understanding both. It appears drug unhoused is

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Speaker 1: now the preferred nomenclature unhoused. I'm gonna stick with homeless.

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Speaker 1: I think it's easier to say, but yes, this would

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Speaker 1: be unhoused.

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Speaker 3: We call them bums. Everyone would just say, is a

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Speaker 3: bummer a vagrant? And now it's different.

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Speaker 2: Homeless I think is actually kind of kind and accurate.

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Speaker 2: And uh so these two.

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Speaker 1: Homeless guys who would appears are as has often been

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Speaker 1: the case of late and Portland addicted to drugs, and

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Speaker 1: they've made use of drugs far easier in Portland, which

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Speaker 1: almost everyone criminal drugs, almost everyone has acknowledged, has made

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Speaker 1: things worse, less safe, more decay, more decrepitude.

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Speaker 2: All of it is bad. And even in Portland now they're.

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Speaker 1: Saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't be making it easier to

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Speaker 1: shoot up with illegal drugs, and maybe criminalizing drug possession

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Speaker 1: and drug use was actually a good idea. All of

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Speaker 1: this discussion ongoing. Okay, buck, So two homeless drug addicts

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Speaker 1: are in a fight. One homeless drug addict stabs the

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Speaker 1: other one and there is a dispute. There's an acknowledgment.

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Speaker 1: It's on video and there's audio, and you can hear

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Speaker 1: at least post stabbing one homeless guy, the white guy

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Speaker 1: using the in word. Then you have a defense that

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Speaker 1: was offered of the homeless black guy that because of

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Speaker 1: the N words use, that in some way his violence,

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Speaker 1: the stabbing was justified. Jury found him not guilty. So

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Speaker 1: this is again some of you may not have seen

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Speaker 1: this story, you might not have been exposed to it,

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Speaker 1: but I do think this is a real litmus test case.

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Speaker 1: And you shared a tweet which I agree with, but

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Speaker 1: I think your overall take is well.

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Speaker 3: I completely disagree with the really zealously enforced standard that

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Speaker 3: there is only one word in the English language that

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Speaker 3: if you are white, or I guess if anyone who

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Speaker 3: is not black, there's only one word that you are

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Speaker 3: not allowed to say in any context whatsoever, to include

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Speaker 3: if you are a court stenographer reading back what someone

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Speaker 3: else has.

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Speaker 5: Said, or if you are reading a transcript of what

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Speaker 5: someone else has said, or if you are reading from

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Speaker 5: a novel and the words of the author include, you

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Speaker 5: are not allowed to say it.

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Speaker 2: That is absurd. That is wrong, and that should change.

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Speaker 3: Now this is not to say that you should use

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Speaker 3: that or any slur to refer to any person. The

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Speaker 3: usage of a word is different than you can never

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Speaker 3: even say a word. If you say a word, you're

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Speaker 3: a bad person. That is bending the knee to something

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Speaker 3: that we should That is bending the need to a

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Speaker 3: form of censorship. And by the way, a form of

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Speaker 3: cenrist that based upon skin color. Yes, which is it's wrong.

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Speaker 3: And now I people can try to argue. Anyone who

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Speaker 3: tries to argue this, they end up losing. They're wrong

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Speaker 3: because it's absurd, the whole thing. It's an absurd. This

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Speaker 3: is like the people who are arguing putting your mask

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Speaker 3: on for walking to the table during COVID somehow kept

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Speaker 3: people safe when you then sat there for two hours. No,

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Speaker 3: you're just wrong. This thing of you can't say a

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Speaker 3: word ever is so I just want to get that

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Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 2: It's wrong.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't that you should call anyone any nasty word,

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Speaker 3: but particularly any racially inflammatory word. No, that's a wrong

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Speaker 3: thing to do. But I'm talking about you just can't

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Speaker 3: say it.

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Speaker 2: You can't.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it's so powerful if you were found to

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Speaker 3: have said it in any context. You know, fifteen years

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Speaker 3: people get mad at Quentin Tarantino. Now do you know this, Clay, Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: because the characters in his movies use the word too often.

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Speaker 3: That's what this has come to. Everyone needs to grow up.

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Speaker 3: There are words that you shouldn't use to talk about people,

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Speaker 3: but there are context in which you need to be

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Speaker 3: able to say any word in the English language. The

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Speaker 3: use of a word is inherently not a bad thing,

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Speaker 3: no matter what. Sorry, that's just not that's not reality.

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Speaker 3: So people need to grow up on this a little bit. Okay,

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Speaker 3: beyond that, this is also really the only word that

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Speaker 3: I am familiar with where people will argue that violence

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Speaker 3: against you if you use the word is somehow justified.

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Speaker 3: That is also wrong. We live in a First Amendment societ.

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Speaker 3: We live in a country where people are allowed to

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Speaker 3: say words, including mean and naughty words, and there is

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Speaker 3: no exception in the law for you said hate speech.

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Speaker 2: You should get stabbed. You said the naughty word, so

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Speaker 2: you should get stabbed.

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Speaker 3: And people need that this needs to stop and we

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Speaker 3: need to stop dancing around this thing where we don't

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Speaker 3: make the argument based on print.

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Speaker 2: This is clearly a principled argument.

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Speaker 3: So about these two people and one of the guys

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Speaker 3: had like a horrible if the guy who got stabbed

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Speaker 3: in and got a horrible conviction on his record for

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Speaker 3: uh yes, like representatives of American life. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 3: this is not about picking a side in this. Okay,

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Speaker 3: these are two bums who got into a fight. But

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Speaker 3: the notion that a jury would excuse the stabbing of

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Speaker 3: somebody because he said a naughty word is wrong. That

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Speaker 3: is crazy. It is wrong, it is immoral, and it

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Speaker 3: is against our legal system. And again it was the

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Speaker 3: jury in Portland refused to convict a guy for stabb

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Speaker 3: being another person because basically, the argument is, when you

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Speaker 3: get insulted in that way, you can't control yourself to

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Speaker 3: the extent that theoretically you could get away with murder.

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Speaker 3: And look, there are lots of words we can't say

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Speaker 3: on this radio program because we're governed by the FCC. No,

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Speaker 3: you could have an argument about whether in this day

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Speaker 3: and age, FCC restrictions on what you and I can

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Speaker 3: say and can't say should still exist. If we utter

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Speaker 3: curse words, there could be fines. I disagree, by the way.

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Speaker 3: I disagree with that too. I do too, I completely.

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Speaker 3: But we we serve you who listen, and we wouldn't

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Speaker 3: use those words because some of you are with your kids.

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Speaker 3: Some of you just prefer that people not use words

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Speaker 3: like that, so we would. I wouldn't use them anyway, Clay.

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Speaker 3: But I disagree that a federal government agency should be

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Speaker 3: picking which words canon cannot be said over the airwaves.

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Speaker 3: I disagree with that. So I have the same but

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Speaker 3: I'm still bound by it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So this is the like the other rule we're talking,

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Speaker 3: I'm still bound by that social rule that everyone else

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Speaker 3: is bound by.

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Speaker 2: I disagree with it.

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Speaker 1: Two books ago, I wrote a book called Republicans by

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Speaker 1: Sneakers Too. I quoted Muhammad Ali and he said, ain't

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Speaker 1: and this is the ballpark.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: No one's ever called me a racial slur in Vietcong.

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Speaker 1: No Viet Cong's ever called me a racial slur. And

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Speaker 1: I quoted that in the book. The publisher called me

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Speaker 1: and said, you can't use that word in your book

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Speaker 1: because you're a white guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what I mean. That's the absurdity. I

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Speaker 3: don't even I forgot you told me about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that is the absurdity of this. There's only one word

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Speaker 3: where this is the case. People need to grow up, okay,

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Speaker 3: and I so up. Words exist, People say words in

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Speaker 3: certain content. You're held responsible for the context of the

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Speaker 3: words you use, not just a word that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Using the actual quote is a significant part of understanding

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Speaker 1: the quote and being able to analyze the perspective. Because

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Speaker 1: I was writing about the nineteen sixty civil rights era

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Speaker 1: in sports and how it is impacted the modern era,

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Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm not going to do that, and

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Speaker 1: we got into a huge dispute, went all the way

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Speaker 1: up to multiple levels of the publishing house over whether

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Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali could be quoted accurately in my book without dashes.

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Speaker 1: Because my argument was, wait a minute, the F word

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Speaker 1: is a quote, like, we're not dashing it out.

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Speaker 2: You know there are other curse words.

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Speaker 1: Adults can read a book, and I think the use

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Speaker 1: of the actual quote is important here, and so this

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Speaker 1: is the step beyond word policing.

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Speaker 2: This is using words.

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Speaker 1: A jury in Portland said, hey, this word was used,

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Speaker 1: and therefore violence was justified. This to me is exactly

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Speaker 1: the left wing argument for Charlie Kirk or President Trump.

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Speaker 3: I don't see I like and so far as those are,

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk and Trump are political, I mean they represent

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Speaker 3: a political movement. Naughty word, But if you're willing to

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Speaker 3: kill someone for what they say, then you are presuming

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Speaker 3: that words are violence, and therefore violence can be responsive

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Speaker 3: to it. This jury logically heard a bad word was used,

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Speaker 3: and violence was justified in response to it. There are

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Speaker 3: many people on the left who heard the arguments that

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Speaker 3: Trump and Charlie made and they justified violence. Again, but

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Speaker 3: the president also signs executive orders that actually use state power.

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Speaker 3: I mean that there's a whole lot more than just

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Speaker 3: the words that Trump uses.

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Speaker 1: Totally, but you don't think that the motivation to kill

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Speaker 1: the president and try to kill him was based on

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Speaker 1: his arguments and the justification for why that was Okay,

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Speaker 1: same thing for Brett Kavanaugh is but I'm saying there's

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Speaker 1: an action component to Trump that I think we also mean,

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Speaker 1: there's massive actions to being president.

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Speaker 2: It's not just words right now, it's a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit, truly, but the justification to kill is if you

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Speaker 1: are willing to buy into the idea that a word

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Speaker 1: can keep somebody out of prison and even justify the attack.

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Speaker 1: Then you're willing to say words are violence, which I

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Speaker 1: think is a strong premise of the left in this

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Speaker 1: country right now. I think we have to push back

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Speaker 1: against it. I think there's a closer analogous case right now.

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Speaker 1: Isn't there a woman who is being prosecuted for disorderly

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Speaker 1: she's like a playground mom, like a mom on the playground,

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Speaker 1: and she called the kid.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I thought she said the word you can't say. Y.

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Speaker 3: Right, she said the word you can't say, And now

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Speaker 3: they're prosecuting her for disorderly conduct. But they're really just

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Speaker 3: prosecuting her for saying the words you can't say, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is what's actually so. I disagree with this. I

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Speaker 3: disagree with this just across the board.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you happen to be a

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Speaker 1: Trump supporter and somebody says something naughty to you, you

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Speaker 1: don't get the right to stab them. You don't get

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Speaker 1: the right to shoot them. Words are not violence. And

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Speaker 1: we have allowed a world to exist where now a

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Speaker 1: jury is actually willing to vote non guilty not guilty

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Speaker 1: entirely based on this was self defense because of word choices.

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Speaker 1: And we're not even sure the guy said it beforehand.

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Speaker 1: They only have him on video saying it afterwards. So

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Speaker 1: he got stabbed and then he insulted the guy.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of examples you could point to

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Speaker 3: where people especially if they get into a fight and

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Speaker 3: things escalate, it gets really violent, and if it involve

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Speaker 3: somebody who is black, there will be a claim of oh,

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Speaker 3: well he said a racial slur, because yeah, that if

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Speaker 3: you said he called me a you know, a stupid

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Speaker 3: you know, a stupid head, or even you know, a

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Speaker 3: bleeping bleep or whatever, that won't. But if you use

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00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: the naughty word and you got stabbed or shot, well

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Speaker 3: that then dead you were asking for it. No, that's wrong.

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Speaker 3: So you and I see this totally the same way.

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Speaker 3: On that I I don't, and I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: I think this is one of these last areas where

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00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: there's still people are there's still like a little cringing

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Speaker 3: around it, like oh but but no, but that word.

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Speaker 3: No again, if you call someone that word, you're a

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Speaker 3: jerk and you're you're doing something that is unethical and wrong.

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Speaker 3: But we shouldn't have a situation where you have to

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Speaker 3: have it removed from your book. We're quoting somebody else

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Speaker 3: that that's crazy, This makes no sense. This is just

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Speaker 1: just talking about the jury verdict in Portland and it's important.

871
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: In the Hey, two homeless guys get into a fight,

872
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: the black homeless guy stabs the white homeless guy. Black

873
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: homeless guy is charged with a crime. Probably I haven't

874
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: seen a breakdown of the jury, but based on the

875
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: population in Portland, almost certainly a substantially majority white jury says, hey,

876
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: you know what, that's justified because they bought the argument

877
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: that the white homeless person had called the black guy

878
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: a the nword. Now, we had a caller Gene, who

879
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: was like, hey, could the judge The answer is no.

880
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: Almost never can a judge toss a not guilty verdict,

881
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: And there are only very limited exceptions. For instance, if

882
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: a defendant bought off a juror and we became aware,

883
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: then the case would not get the not guilty verdict

884
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: would just lead to a new trial. You wouldn't be

885
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: able to say, actually, this guy's guilty. Now again, this

886
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: gets into the weeds. There are cases where judges can

887
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: you'll have an emotion for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict,

888
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: where the judge can look at it and say, the

889
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: evidence does not support a conviction, but it can only

890
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: be beneficial to the defendant, not something where the judge

891
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: suddenly waives his magic wand and says, I'm deeming you

892
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: guilty because you have right to a jury trial. Now,

893
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: I asked buck off Air, I was reading about this recently.

894
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Why do we have twelve jurors? I don't know how

895
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: many of you have ever sought set around in thought,

896
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: why is a jury stand, especially in criminal cases, twelve jurors.

897
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: The derivation legally appears to go all the way back

898
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: to a British king in the eighth century who said, hey,

899
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: because of the twelve Apostles, twelve is the right number,

900
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: so we are going to have twelve because it used

901
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: to be and this was really kind of a tough time.

902
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: They would just let the trial be, Hey, we're gonna

903
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: throw you in the you know, we're gonna throw you

904
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: in the water, and if you don't sink, then God

905
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: is saying you're innocent. If you sink, then God is

906
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: saying that you're guilty. Instead of a jury of your peers,

907
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: they would have so called trial by Sometimes you had

908
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: to carry around a you know, like a hot, scalding

909
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: iron in your hand. And if you I mean this

910
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: crazy stuff that used to go on. But around the

911
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: eighth century a king in England, and then this was

912
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: codified into the colonies in through common law, which, for

913
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: those of you out there who don't know, most of

914
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: American common law is rooted in British jurisprudence and has

915
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: grown into its own.

916
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: Legacy of the law here in America.

917
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: A bunch of people with comments out there, Ryan in Columbus,

918
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: Ohio is asking what is a logical response to the

919
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: precedent said in this case, Ryan.

920
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 6: Fire Away, Hey, I'm just curious, So where do we

921
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 6: draw the line and who draws the line on speech

922
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 6: that qualifies as violence? You know, am I just fied

923
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 6: in violence if someone calls me a racist or a

924
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 6: Nazi up until and including killing someone.

925
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the question, right, And this is why

926
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: both Buck and I find it so important to distinguish

927
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: between words and violence. And remember here this is significant.

928
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: It's the jury that bought the argument.

929
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 3: So you can say, hey, it's not surprising at all

930
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: given a Portland jury. I mean this is they believe.

931
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: This is a left wing belief. You have to believe

932
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: this like this.

933
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: This is why the defense attorney went with this version

934
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: of his defense for his client, because he believed that

935
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: this jury would be susceptible. So you can be upset

936
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: at the result. I think it's a ridiculous result, but

937
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: understand that twelve jurors in Portland found this to be compelling,

938
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: which is why, honestly this ties in with my argument

939
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: buck about why we have such kangaroo court systems in Washington, DC.

940
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: You have the same kind of super left wing jurors

941
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Which Democrats have used to rig

942
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: the political process by using all of their prosecution in

943
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: federal courts. In Washington, d C. You do not get

944
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: a jury of your peers. This is not a normal

945
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: group of people. This is far left wing eddiologs who

946
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: will throw you in prison. We just saw it with

947
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: all the jan six cases. I think there was what

948
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: was it called Japlinski v. New Hampshire, which was the.

949
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: Fighting words Supreme court fighting words doctrine where there are

950
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: words that can immediately provoke violence. This ended up being

951
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: not overturned specifically, but jurisprudence changed after this. When this

952
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 3: is one of the earlier nineteen forty two case unprotected speech,

953
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: I disagree. I disagree with that. I think people can

954
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: say the meanest words they want to say, you're not

955
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 3: allowed to knock their teeth out in response.

956
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 2: Sorry.

957
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: And most of us were raised in the I don't

958
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: know I have used it with my kids. I don't

959
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: know how many kids they use it with today. But

960
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: I bet Buck, you were raised with sticks and stones

961
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

962
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: I mean, every kid, at some point in time comes

963
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: to mom or dad somebody has said something super mean,

964
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: super unkind. The reality is words can hurt, words can harm.

965
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: But this is I think the essence of one of

966
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: the issues that we're getting wrong with the whole concept

967
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: of coddling the American mind is the idea that if

968
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: someone says something that you find to be hurtful, that

969
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: the way to handle that is by shutting down their

970
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: right to speech. And Bryan and Columbus is asking that question,

971
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: which I think is a good one, which is, how

972
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: do you draw that line? Ultimately, the jury said, basically,

973
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: it's a get out of jail free card. If a

974
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: racial slur is used, no black man can restrain himself.

975
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: It's actually insulting, I think, to black men, because it

976
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: presumes that they don't have the willpower to deal with

977
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: people saying mean things to them and must act irrationally

978
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: and violently as a result. That's the entire premise of

979
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: the defense.

980
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: Here Bill in New Jersey gg A wor listener play it.

981
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 7: I don't know what it was like when you guys

982
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 7: were going up, and you're quite a bit younger than

983
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 7: I am, But when I was a kid, the line

984
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 7: was stick and stones may break my bones, but words

985
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 7: will never hurt me. We need a little more of

986
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 7: that around the world these days.

987
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: I didn't even see that talk back. He's preaching to

988
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: the choir. That's exactly what I just said.

989
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

990
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: Trucker Mike in Arizona, we love when our truckers reach out, says,

991
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: and he has a premise that is not dissimilar to

992
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: the caller.

993
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: We just had f f Let me get this straight.

994
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 8: So someone calls me, I'm a white man, I don't

995
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 8: care what color I.

996
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 6: Am, but just let you know I'm a white man.

997
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 8: So someone call me white trash cracker, amt me trailer

998
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 8: trash tweaker?

999
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 6: Whatever?

1000
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 8: Does that give me justification to stab them and injure

1001
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 8: them as the same damn thing. It's just pass the night.

1002
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 6: It's stupid.

1003
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: I agree, if you have one percent, yeah, totally look

1004
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good h logic A lot of times, Buck,

1005
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: pretty good common sense.

1006
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes people say mean things to truckers in traffic. It

1007
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: happens so and they realize that they just have to

1008
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: keep on trucking. They can't stop and beat them to

1009
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: death because they don't like the thing that the guy

1010
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 3: said to them from the windshield of his Hyundai or whatever.

1011
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 1: And sometimes truckers get behind Buck Sexton driving twenty four

1012
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: miles an hour in a forty five, and they may

1013
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: even say mean things to Buck. But that doesn't mean

1014
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: as they sit there having to constantly hit their brake

1015
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: because Miss Daisy is driving in front of them, I don't.

1016
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad that some of us care about

1017
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: safety on these roads. You know, not all heroes wear capes.

1018
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 3: Some of us are a little heavy on the break.

1019
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: Uh Brandon in Milwaukee. HH. What you got?

1020
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 9: As far as that word goes, I remember back in

1021
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 9: high school having to read Huck Finn and even when

1022
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 9: that word came on the paper, you felt uncomfortable sat

1023
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 9: in it. And it should be uncomfortable because it's a

1024
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 9: terrible word. But completely getting rid of its existence, I

1025
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 9: think it's kind of dangerous because then it doesn't highlight

1026
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 9: how terrible the times were when that word was popular,

1027
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 9: so got to be terrible.

1028
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: I think that's a good look. I would just go

1029
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: back in time. George Carlin is dead now. I think

1030
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: George Carlin, legendary comedian, would have been fairly classified some

1031
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: of you can correct me if I'm wrong, as a

1032
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: left leaning comic right. In other words, I think his

1033
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: politics would have tended to lean left. Maybe I'm wrong,

1034
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: but he did his entire was it seven words you

1035
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: can't say basically on television, which by the way, we

1036
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: still can't say on the FCC. And it became very,

1037
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: very popular in the parlance, I believe, in the nineteen

1038
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: seventies because it illustrated the absurdity of trying to define

1039
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: words in how they're used. Context matters, you know, words

1040
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: are used. I mean, some of the most popular rap

1041
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: songs in America use the N word twenty times in

1042
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: a you know, a two minute clip. And nowadays, college kids,

1043
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: you see this happen all the time. Some college kid

1044
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: is on video doing karaoke, wrapping along to a popular song.

1045
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: It's not intended to be a racial slur. And then

1046
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: the next thing you know, people are trying to cancel them,

1047
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: or they go on social media and they post the

1048
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: lyrics to a popular rap song, and the next thing,

1049
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, ten years later, somebody's like, oh my god,

1050
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: can you believe what this person posted when they were fourteen?

1051
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: Defining word use without analyzing context, I mean, think about this, Buck,

1052
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: There's a huge difference between the way we use the

1053
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: F word. It could be a compliment that was, you know,

1054
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: as an adjective, you know, effing unbelievable as a positive.

1055
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: It can also mean an insult. Right, we use context

1056
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: to analyze, but whatever words you use, this should be

1057
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: something that all adults should be behind. Violence should not

1058
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: be the response. Now if someone says their exceptions to

1059
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: this is the angry words thing.

1060
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: Buck.

1061
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: If somebody says I'm going to kill you and they

1062
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: start to reach into their waistband and you think to yourself, oh,

1063
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: my goodness, they may have a gun. Eight words that

1064
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: are accompanied by action that would suggest violence might be

1065
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: coming can be a legitimate self defense mechanism. But that's

1066
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: not words standing alone. It's words in the context of

1067
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: the possibility of a threat of physical violence.

1068
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: And I would just.

1069
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: Say, all of this goes to, are we going to

1070
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: treat adults like adults or are we going to run

1071
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: shrieking in the opposite direction when words that appear in

1072
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: our delicate ears are considered to be unacceptable. But this

1073
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: is all just you know that there is no real

1074
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: ethical standard being applied here because the word is so terrible.

1075
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: But some people can use it, but.

1076
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: In super popular songs that make them tens of millions

1077
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: of dollars.

1078
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean a lot of comedians for the

1079
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: last three two or three decades that that's like the

1080
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: favorite word that they use when they're on stage all

1081
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 3: the time. But so they can do it all the time,

1082
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: but you do it, your life should be ruined. No,

1083
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, disagree, disagree just flatly. They think that that

1084
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 3: is a that is a social really a socially enforced

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Speaker 2: That is wrong. It's just wrong.

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Speaker 3: So and I the only way that it's gonna get

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Speaker 3: broken unfortunately, and this is going to really is that

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Speaker 3: people are going to start to be more liberal with it,

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Speaker 3: with the use of that word. And some people who

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Speaker 3: are liberal with it, by the way, are not going

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Speaker 3: to be good people who are doing it in a

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Speaker 3: well intentioned way, but they're gonna hide me. They're gonna say, see,

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Speaker 3: double standards, I'm breaking the double standard by you. You know,

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Speaker 3: this is how these things go. Well, you know, the

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Speaker 3: censorship and these things that it does not end. It

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Speaker 3: does not end the way that the people in charge

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Speaker 3: of the censorship usually wanted to. All right, look, if

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Speaker 3: you believe in the life of a child, an on

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Speaker 3: happening to children's lives lost to abortion day in and

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Speaker 3: day out. Nearly one in four pregnancies ends this way.

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Speaker 3: But there's a nonprofit on the front line saving as

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Speaker 3: many lives as possible preborn. Their network clinics have saved

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Speaker 3: The preborn clinics across the country provide unconditional support and

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Speaker 3: love for pregnant moms who are making that difficult decision.

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Speaker 3: But they start them off with care, love, support, and

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Speaker 3: and life becomes so much more likely. And they have

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Speaker 3: so many lives. Twenty eight dollars is the cost of

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Speaker 3: an ultrasound. Your tax deductible donation can be the difference

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Speaker 3: this holiday season. Remember this is tax deductible. Preborn is

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Speaker 3: I know that's a lot of money and times a tough,

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Speaker 3: right I'm not talking to all of you. I'm not

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Speaker 3: talking to one or two people in this audience right now,

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Speaker 3: Think of how many thousands of babies that would contribute

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