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Speaker 1: Get your hands together, and we're gonna stop to party start.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to party the Elvis Duran After Party.

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Speaker 3: The After Party Podcast. Here we are.

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Speaker 4: Lee Freger just dropped by to say Hi, Hi, Lee. Hell,

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Speaker 4: you gonna speak loudly into this Hello. You have not

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Speaker 4: mastered himself a coast Mike. Mike technique is very important

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Speaker 4: in this business. Excuse me, No, you see her speaking

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Speaker 4: too low. You gotta speak.

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Speaker 1: Loud Hello, Alvis, loudly?

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Speaker 3: So Leish Freger is your people? Ask wise?

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Speaker 1: Lee?

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Speaker 3: Just hanging out on the show.

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Speaker 4: Because he's our best friend. We love Lee and I

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Speaker 4: have nothing else to do. And he drops binds his

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Speaker 4: antagonizes a living hell out of us.

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Speaker 3: But what's that smell?

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Speaker 1: Orange? I had an.

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Speaker 4: Orange smells It's smells.

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Speaker 3: So Lee?

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Speaker 1: I love coming here. It's two blocks from my house, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to get into hair and makeup to

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Speaker 1: come here. I can just walk over looking like I do.

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Speaker 1: I just rolled out of bed, put on a pair

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Speaker 1: of Brunello Cucinelli jeans and walked right over here.

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Speaker 3: Can we ask least yea, let's ask just get to

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Speaker 3: the lasting guy, because you're how old.

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Speaker 1: You're like what somewhere between forty and death.

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Speaker 3: What's your question? My question?

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Speaker 1: So you were on the show at one point and

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Speaker 1: you started speaking French, and it sounds like you actually

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Speaker 1: know how to speak French. It just wasn't you saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm fluent. I'm fluent speak French. Uh, javadoni, miss on,

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Speaker 1: lesson men porschium. I think I'm gonna never come back

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Speaker 1: to the show. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Lee lived abroad for three years. Not with abroad abroad?

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Speaker 4: I lived abroad. You were abroad?

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Speaker 1: I was abroad, yes, at one point before doctor Snyder.

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Speaker 1: I when I graduated from college, I went to the

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Speaker 1: Culinary Institute of America and I got a work program

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Speaker 1: and sush in Lazan, working for a moven Peck in Switzerland.

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Speaker 1: In Switzerland, Yeah, yeah, so I lived there. I was young.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was out of college at nineteen, out

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Speaker 1: of cooking school at nineteen. So I went abroad and

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Speaker 1: worked in Lazan and then had a mad passionate affair

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Speaker 1: with an Italian and lived in Milan for a while.

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Speaker 3: So, uh, do you speak Italian?

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Speaker 1: I do not? Certain words? Do you ski? Never? I'm

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Speaker 1: so uncoordinating my feet came.

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Speaker 2: First living in Milan or the Italian the affair at

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Speaker 2: the Italian?

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Speaker 1: No, I met the Italian working in Lazan and then

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Speaker 1: moved to Milan to be closer, to move to Milan

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Speaker 1: to be with him.

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Speaker 3: Where is he now dead? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I hope, I don't know. Wait, that bad, horrible came home.

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Speaker 1: My luggage he locked me up, was out front of

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Speaker 1: the apartment. What did you do to get that happened

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Speaker 1: to you? Be honest, just say it wasn't my best

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Speaker 1: of time. That was out the best of time. Did

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Speaker 1: you cheat on him?

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Speaker 2: Lee?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: He had a very cute brother.

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Speaker 3: You had sex with your boyfriend's brother.

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Speaker 1: I did you broke up a family? I did?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love this.

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Speaker 1: This is great.

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Speaker 2: We've spoken to him since?

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Speaker 3: No, not once? What about the brother? No, the luggage

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Speaker 3: out gone?

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Speaker 1: This is before Instagram? You know, this is this is

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Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 4: But what a great story. And you know what, and

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Speaker 4: this is what made you who you are today. You

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Speaker 1: In one apartment we lived together and they he didn't

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Speaker 1: One brother, the one I was sleeping with, was obviously gay,

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Speaker 1: and the other brother was straight, or so we thought,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, So then how long after that breakup

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Speaker 1: did you meet your husband? Oh? My god, I mean

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Speaker 1: which husband? Okay, wait a minute, you were married more

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Speaker 1: than once? No, but I no, I mean I've never

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Speaker 4: Wait, hold on, we gotta go back. Wait, hold on,

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Speaker 4: you don't want to know this, Danielle. How did your

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Speaker 4: they Did he walk in on you?

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Speaker 1: No, his brother told him.

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Speaker 3: Oh god god, why.

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Speaker 1: Will you do that?

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Speaker 2: How did you end up sleeping with the brother if

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Speaker 2: he thought he was straight? How did that come about?

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Speaker 1: Well? I realized he wasn't straight.

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Speaker 4: He was he was.

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Speaker 3: How did you get to the bottom of that? He did?

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Speaker 1: He wasn't the bottom. First, like you, guys were just

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Speaker 1: hanging out and then no, the his brother Bruno. No, my,

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Speaker 1: the one I was with was Bruno and the other

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Speaker 1: one was Carlo. Did I mention they were twins?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, So you could.

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Speaker 1: Have actually gotten away and said I didn't realize. I

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Speaker 3: Oh, let's just say we don't talk about Bruno.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I came home. No, I was living and working in Milan,

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Speaker 1: living with them, and I came home one day and

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Speaker 1: the key was didn't work and my luggage was outside

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Speaker 1: the door. So how did you know?

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Speaker 3: The brother told him that you obviously had a conversation with.

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Speaker 1: Someone because he had a best friend who I who

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Speaker 1: I was friendly with it why did he tell on you?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know to this day, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We never spoke again. Yeah, I had to get my

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Speaker 1: And I get the passport back. So did you have

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Speaker 1: to break in? No, his friend got me the passport

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Speaker 1: back and she then told me that this is what happened.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of knew. I kind of while you

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Speaker 1: is probably not going to end? Well, I was nineteen,

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Speaker 1: who cared about how it was going to end?

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Speaker 3: One and done or several times?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, multiple times?

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Speaker 3: So I just stayed for the record. I sure have

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Speaker 3: missed those days.

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Speaker 1: I do. I mean the best of times, they were

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Speaker 3: They're just the best.

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Speaker 1: No, I know, truthfully, I mean, to be twenty, it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be the same today, to be twenty today I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's the same People don't date the same way.

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Speaker 1: There's no social interaction, you know. I had dinner the

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Speaker 1: other night with somebody who a friend of mine, who

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Speaker 1: said he met his partner on Grinder. So I've never

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Speaker 1: been on Grinder. I've never had to be on Grinder.

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Speaker 1: I really have never seen it other than looking at

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Speaker 1: how it works. So I didn't experience Grinder, and I

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Speaker 1: just you know, I would not want to be a

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Speaker 4: Well, also back then before AIDS, no, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 1: I mean the AIDS were, you know, a very different

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Speaker 1: time of our life. I mean kids today don't even

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Speaker 1: know what HIV was. They didn't know the concerns that

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Speaker 1: we had, I mean, waiting for that HIV test to

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Speaker 1: come back. I mean, growing upgate today is very different

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Speaker 1: than growing up gay when I was young. Here, No,

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Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, and I wouldn't want to have to

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of a lot of fun has really

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Speaker 2: been mitigated by social media, Like you can't enjoy yourself

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Speaker 2: do because someone's gonna document it that it lives forever.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I had a gay bar in Miami Beach called Torpedo.

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Speaker 3: It was just.

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Speaker 1: It was no in the late eighties at six thirty

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Speaker 1: four Collins Avenue. It was the first gay cruise bar

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Speaker 1: on Miami Beach. So there was a big dance club

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. No, I wouldn't. You know. It's I

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Speaker 1: just don't think today. You know, you meet on grinder,

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Speaker 3: See, I don't know. I don't even go to gay bars.

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Speaker 3: I just go to bars because whenever I walk in,

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Speaker 1: Remember when they were gay bars.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And there's something you guys don't know what's that.

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Speaker 4: It's called the trick card. So on the bar was

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Speaker 4: like you use when you play Putt putt. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: hundred people because back then you didn't have phones to

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Speaker 1: I didn't have that. Yes, you did, I swear my

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Speaker 3: I this before pencils were invented. You're very old. Good god.

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Speaker 1: No, my first boyfriend. There was a bar in Fort

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Speaker 1: like almost on an obsession on the bartender, David Longstaff.

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Speaker 1: long that was a great relationship. But you don't have

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Speaker 1: a very different life.

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Speaker 2: It happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's very rare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't want to grow up gay today. I mean,

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Speaker 1: growing up gay was not easy. Fortunately for me, it

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Speaker 1: I never had the problem. I was never taunted in

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Speaker 1: high school because I always had the most beautiful girlfriends,

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Speaker 1: my friend my friends in college in school, high school

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Speaker 1: and college were always the most beautiful girls who had

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Speaker 2: Did you talk up with any of their boyfriends? What

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Speaker 2: did you hook up with any of their boyfriends?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Interesting, you say, Okay, say that for next time you

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Speaker 3: show up.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

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Speaker 3: Well we called it a tease Lee Schrager.

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Speaker 1: Everyone old and gray.

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Speaker 3: The Elvis DA Ran after party.

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Speaker 1: H