WEBVTT - #67 - Cole Swindell 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.200 I welcome to episode sixty seven Bobby Cast with Cole Swindell. 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.799 Hey man, good to be here at seven. We've done 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.080 we've done a lot. And that the thing about this thing, 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.480 we never really planned on it being something big, and 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.040 not that it's something big now because I mean, you're 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.000 just in my house right and I actually left my 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.439 bedroom door open. I never leave my bedroom door open. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.239 We will come over this. This is a sweet place, man, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.800 I appreciate. I walked in and I'm like, man, this 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.120 is this looks like where Bobby Bonds lives. Man, this 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.800 is uh, it's a great, great idea that man. And 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:33.519 And to be like I said, you've been You've had 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.360 a lot of interviews, so I'm glad to just just 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.159 be on here. Well, we're happy to have you. And 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.400 Cole and I were sitting at a table and a 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.760 board meeting, if you can take of calling together at 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.680 a board meeting, and we were the first thing to leave, 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.120 not the first thing to leave. But we have different 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.479 kinds hours. Our jobs are different hours everybody else's and 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.440 so we're on the A c M board and I 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:55.920 am happy to be on the A c M board. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.560 But those nine am ten am eleven AM meetings difficult. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.720 You first of all, don't wake up until at least then, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:08.640 and me I'm out by then. Yeah, like I'm just roasted. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:10.920 So we go to this meeting and they put us 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.440 at the table and it's me and cold. There's only 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:14.760 four people at the table, and Cole and I are 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:16.480 to the people at the table, we were like, you 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.800 gotta be kidding. As soon as they like broke for 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.320 water calling, I was like, we'll see you guys. Yeah, 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.440 well we'll catch up with your later. Just taking a 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.640 let us know what happened. At least we were together, Yeah, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.680 because that was yeah, board meeting that early, man, and 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.000 whatn't wasn't my thing? But how did you get on 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.200 a board? How did you get on it? That's what 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:36.960 I would like to know. I mean, I remember when 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.160 I found out when Carrie told me that, Hey, they 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.120 you're on the c M board. Not I asked what? 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.960 I didn't ask how did that happen? I honestly don't. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.319 I don't know, man. I guess you know, when it 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.880 comes back up, I'll be Uh, did they vote on it? 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.400 I don't. I don't know, man, I don't know how 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.360 I you know, I am a part of it, but 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.240 I know that, you know, just to be a part 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.400 of a thing like that that you know, that was 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.920 my first award, and I mean you talked about they've 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.960 always recognized you know, new new faces and and the 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.200 future of country music and to you know, to be 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:08.720 on the board like that with all these people. I 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.840 mean there's that you're in there, there's there's managers, producer 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.560 and just to be in you know a lot of 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.960 people that have a huge impact on our industry and 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.280 for you know, there's other artists on it, but you know, 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.520 I think I was one of the only ones that 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.320 just it's crazy to be in there amongst all those people. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.640 So it's, uh, it's a cool thing, man. I'm glad 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.320 that glad that I'm a part of it. And to 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.639 learn you get to hear, you know, kind of learn 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.320 more about the industry and other people's opinions, and it's 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:33.960 kind of cool that we are kind of on the 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:39.200 same page and opinions I just like mine. Well you 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.520 but remember when you stood up and saved our table. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.880 That was like my biggest fear, like going back to 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.040 like high school group sessions or something. You they were 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.120 asking our tables. All right, what did y'all, What did 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.240 y'all come up with him? Bobby? You stood up and 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.840 just saved us with this like Will Ferrell and old schools, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.440 like what just happened? I just blocked out. It was 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.320 like what it happened? Once? I wanted to be seen 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.840 at the meeting, and I knew if I got out 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.480 because it's all these professionals, and I knew if I 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.720 got up and spoke, and I was like, actually, my 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.040 opinion on point four dash the three. Other thing is 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.880 they'd be like, oh, Bobby was here because rememberbody said, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.760 and then after that we said, I know, and I 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.760 just kind of rote your coat toil out like I 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:15.680 was kind like, yeah, that's right, I agree with that. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.280 And then I got out there because I didn't want 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.079 to stand up. That was a big room. And you 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.240 you nailed it. You're the famous ones. They knew you 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.440 were there. And then I had to bet on the microphone. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.560 Got it. You got us through the through the meeting 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.320 and they knew we were there, and maybe we'll get 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.520 to go back. So you know, what's interesting about you 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.160 is that there's nothing about you on the internet, as 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.080 I do on purpose kind of yeah, I just kind of, 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.760 you know, like to keep you know, some of some 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.120 of my private life private just because I mean, I know, 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.480 you know as well, there's just being and our profession. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.440 I mean, there's just a lot of people out there 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.920 that don't like to see anybody happy and uh, you know, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:51.920 and that's just dealing with some of it. But to me, 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.800 I just kind of keep it, keep it low key. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.400 But um like nothing, I can always find something. What 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.160 do you I mean, what like what? Well, No, I 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.440 didn't ski stuff, but I'm telling you, of everyone, you're 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.760 one of the more. You have a lot of hits, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.160 you have a lot of songs, Yeah, you have. And 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:13.000 there's you're like one of these uh agents, the the 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.080 the ci agents that don't leave traces anywhere. No man, 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.559 I you know, but I think as far as that stuff, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.480 the songs, I mean, I like what you do today. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:21.920 Let's talk about your day to day. What did you 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.960 wake up? I woke up actually pretty early. I went 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.640 to bed early, less about seven thirty. That's pretty I 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.600 Actually I got I got to here a little bit 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.320 this morning. You mentioned I was coming in tonight, but yeah, 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.599 I got a got a quick little workout in and 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.400 I had a had a writing appointment this morning with 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.240 Cole Taylor and Josh Kerr to of my buddies in town. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.320 So UH went and did that. We started that was 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.880 a book for eleven, but Cole and Josh both agreed 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.400 to do it at ten so we could get done. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.600 And you know, I've got some family in town, two 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.640 of my cousins and um, so I wanted to get 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.440 done since I went and wrote a song and the 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.560 first time I ever wrote with Josh, it was an 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.400 amazing thing. Me and Cold have been buddies for a while. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.040 He's got several cuts on on my latest album you 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.400 should be Here. And it was a great day. Man. 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.320 I just had a little management meeting about some stuff, 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.320 you know what we we got in the future coming 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.000 up and looking forward to coming over here. So that's 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.920 been my day so far. So when you walk into 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.880 a meeting, man, how times have changed? Like a writer, like, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.000 oh my god, because when I got here, when you 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.839 first moved to town, though, you had to be pretty 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.800 intimidated walk into some of these big rooms. Yes, like 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.119 what was the first write that you can think about 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:32.960 in your head? Do you walked into and there was 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.760 like a writer that you're like, man, I shouldn't be 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.080 writing with this person, Like, actually, I'm writing with a 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.120 with a legend or somebody that I look up to. Yeah, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.320 I mean I remember one of the stories um for me, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.000 and it goes back to being a kid. You know, 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.680 I always say I fell in love with nineties country music, 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.880 and that's one of the guys. You know, Thomas Ritz 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.320 That Rhett Akins was one of the artists I loved 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.440 as a kid. And I remember being in a room, um, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.600 the first time we ever read the first the road. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.000 The first song we ever wrote was song Thomas Rhett 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.400 to get me some of that, And that was just 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.120 that memory was my first like only in Nashville, Like 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.719 you grow up listening to a guy and the first 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.200 song you end up writing his son takes to the 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.680 top of the charts, and it's just that's a Nashville 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.880 story if I've ever heard one. But yeah, there's so many. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.040 You know, you go from playing college bars and oh, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.760 so let me stop you. So you're going to write it. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.200 How long you've been nashvill when you're at the song, Um, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.520 probably for four years or so. I had just gotten 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.800 off the road from you know, doing the T shirt thing. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.760 I had a publishing deal and this was one of 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.480 my This is the first time he and read every road. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.719 We've been buddies. But that was man, I wasn't That 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.599 was a crazy story to go from being a fan 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.160 of his to writing with him. And it's just a 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.480 straight car me and Rett and Michael Carter, my producer. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.960 But uh yeah, so you walk in, you write this song, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.360 and when you write a song, did you think maybe 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.680 it would be for you? Now? You know? At this point, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.560 I was like, this is this all happened? Before I 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.080 got my record deal. I was writing songs every single day, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.360 just wishing somebody would record him, and and this one, 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.279 I don't know what. I loved it. I thought it 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.080 was a great song, but I just didn't have enough 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.719 going for him. I didn't have the artist thing going, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.320 and I was willing for anybody when I heard that 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.720 Thomas Rhett loved it. You know, I've always been a 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.480 Thomas Rett fan and a buddy his, so I was 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.120 just hoping to get a cut. You know that those 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.000 things that's what got me, you know. I think my 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.000 chance that ultimately had a record deal was getting other 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.360 big time artists to record my songs, and that was 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.320 that's one memory of you know, you go from playing 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.600 songs written by people in the board of sitting in 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.600 a room with him and and writing a song, and 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.640 that's just that's when you know you're you're living the 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.680 dream man, when you're getting to do do that? Is 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.400 that the first song for you that was like, Okay, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.360 I can make a little money, I can relax a 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.280 little bit. Is that the first one of those? I 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.120 mean yeah, because I had I had, you know, a 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.200 couple of early cuts, like Scotty McCreery right after he 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.680 had one American idol. He wont he recorded one of 0:07:55.680 --> 0:08:00.040 my songs, water Tower Town. I read about my on 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.720 with it. How do you have on this? Uh? But 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.840 that's like old we do our research on this. This 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.320 is yeah, this is you know, that's a I wrote 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.120 that about my hometown and I remember, you know, thinking 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.200 that it didn't end up doing you know what we thought, 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.200 But still that that let me know that, hey, I 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.720 got a chance in this town. And Scotty, Uh, what 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.320 a great guy he is. And speaking to him that 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.640 his new song that you Oh my god, that's one 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.280 of the best songs I've heard. I texted him as 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.680 soon as I heard it when when you were talking 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.320 about it's just it's he's a great dude. So to 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.520 have somebody like that record one of your songs about 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.160 your town and and you know, some of the same beliefs, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.080 just just that was a cool moment for me. But 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.840 Thomas read that was a different level. You know, Um, Paula, 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.440 let me stop you. So this Scott even Carry song. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.320 This was the first one by an artist that was 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.920 somewhat successful that you're like, Okay, this really has a chance. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.400 And it was kind of really a cool moment for you. Huge, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.600 huge moment because I remember it was one of those 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.000 I learned a lesson because you know, when I wrote 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:54.880 this song, ultimately, you know, me and Luke were close, 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.600 and I was like, man, this, Luke's gonna love this. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.800 I can just see him loving it. And I remember 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.440 I sent it to him and all this sent back 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.240 was yeah, man, I love that. Everybody knows your mom 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.240 and them line and that's all they's sitting. I was 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.839 like crushed. I'm like, man, I was like, oh, I 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.600 was like, that is not what I was wanting to hear. 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.480 And literally, you know, a month or two later, Scotty 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.160 wins American Idol and and that song gets recorded and 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.720 it's on a platinum album, and it just I learned 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.520 that day that you know, you may think you you 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.439 got it all planned out what you but it's it's 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.400 gonna work out how it's supposed to. And that one 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.800 that was my really first example of you know, I'm 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.760 just gonna try to do the right thing, right songs 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.720 and they'll end up where they're supposed to. So water 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.520 Tower Town, Scott McCory cuts Dad and then you start realize, Okay, 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.520 I got I can write these songs? Do you and 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.760 did you have the confidence before that? It was like 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.560 it's a matter of time. Where did it take songs 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.319 to hit before you started to realize you could play 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.319 in the league. You know, I would like to say 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.079 I moved up here thinking I was gonna be but 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.680 you know, I think you have to, you know, have 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.320 something like that happen. Have you know, you know, publishing companies, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.000 record labels doing that. That that means they believe in 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.559 what you're writing. And yeah, you do get confidence. I 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.560 mean it's hard to have confiden is when you're writing 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.360 all these songs and you know they're not really getting 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.080 any traction, but you just learned. You know. That's why 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.160 they say, you know right every day because the more 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.000 you do it, the better you get. And it's just 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.760 the the chances are better you're gonna have a great 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.880 song the more you write. And that was I remember Dallas, 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.120 Uh when some of my other writer friends calling me 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.640 and just saying that when that UH song got recorded, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.600 like hey, congratulations, but don't start like this is this 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.559 is where you gotta show up a lot of people 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.040 just say I've made it, and you know that's I 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.040 think that's what you gotta do. You gotta keep going. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.439 Was that Do you think that'd be a a big single? 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.280 When you're when you cut it, were you're hoping like, man, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.120 that this could be a number one hit? Is that? What? 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.000 Is that? What? Every every time you cut one? I mean, yeah, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.440 I think you're you're hoping that that's what? Uh? You know, 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.240 But I think being around the business, you know how 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.000 hard it is to to to do that, to write. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.360 There's so many great writers in this town. But yeah, 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.360 I think you're always wanting like and that that song 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.120 when it there's one thing for it to be on 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.560 the album. I mean that's a huge album coming straight. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.520 I mean, selling over a million coupis these days, it's 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.480 it's hard heard of and uh pretty much but and 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.520 uh to have that. But then when it announced as 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.560 a single, I remember thinking that was my first single 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.280 to country radio, and I thought I didn't even know 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:10.959 what to think. Man. I mean that a song here 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.560 I wrote about you know where I grew up, and 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.800 and uh, you know, it was hitting country radio and 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.959 it just like I said, either way, I mean that 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.760 that was my first taste of seeing how the song 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:22.840 was doing and wondering what was gonna happen with it, 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.920 and watching watching yeah, watching the chart, and it's it's, uh, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.960 you know, that's that's just how how you learn, uh 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.360 the business, I guess. And I'm just glad that, you know, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.600 that song helped me, you know, no matter how it did, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.000 it got me. Uh, it gave me the confidence to 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.840 keep writing and know that, hey, my songs are you know, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.600 hopefully worthy of radio someday. 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But then after 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.040 I wrote a write a song for Luke Bryant called 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.720 roller Coasters that I've heard of that one this is 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.800 the one. I mean, yeah, this, this was this and 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.920 give me some of that, Like those were almost around 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.680 the same time, I feel like, and you know, but 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.240 this one was the one that, uh, you know, just 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.800 our history from you know, Nolan Luke and and working 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.240 for him to writing songs. And I mean when we 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.280 played him this, me and Michael Carter wrote this one, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.480 we played it for him. It wasn't even to pitch 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.640 it to him. It wasn't to see if he would recorded. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.200 Me and Michael was the first one we had kind 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.599 of written together and we had he had produced it 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.480 how he wanted and we just wanted to hear my 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.080 voice on it to see what he thought. And he 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.520 freaked out, drove its straight over to his producer's house 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.240 and me and Michael are sitting there like what is 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.839 going on. We're that feeling is that's one of a 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.040 kind feeling when somebody you've looked up to is about 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.160 to I mean, it's freaking out literally over a song 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:05.719 like you've never seen them. You know, you used to 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.000 freak out over there songs like that, and now here's 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.200 something we wrote and uh to see him and Jeff 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.120 Stevens just you know, go crazy over this song. I mean, 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.360 it was one of the best, you know, moments of 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.080 my life just knowing that, man, I this songwright. That's 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.120 it's one of those things. That's why we love songwriting. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.880 It's because to make somebody feel like that, and that's 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.800 you know, that's why I moved to Nashville because that's 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.480 how music, you know, it makes me feel. And after 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:35.400 Nat let me hear this to get now I need 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:41.720 to recut this too, come on, I wish yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.040 you put your volk on into Deemo. I gotta see. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.840 I still have I thought about that some day, you know, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:52.000 like maybe putting out my own little uh like just 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.400 the you know, the the versions of my versions of 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.040 the songs, because I mean that's what pretty much got 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.280 me my you know, when labels we were pitching my songs, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:00.680 and they were like, what, you know, why don't you 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.440 why can't you sing this song? Or why wouldn't you 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.520 sing this? And it just kind of that gave me 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.400 confidence to It's like, man, maybe I need to book 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.640 a show because you know, when I moved here, I 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.920 had just been singing cover songs, playing in bars, me 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.680 and a buddy of mine, acoustic no uh, no big 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.320 band or anything, but we just played country covers and 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.480 I had gotten into the songwriting things. So I moved 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.520 here and fell in love with the with the writing. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.800 Did you move here to be an artist? I mean, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.840 ultimately yes, but I knew that I was, you know, 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.480 I wanted to have my own songs, and I you know, 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.440 I had friends in the business that was that said, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.360 you know you need to if you like songwriting and 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.840 you're interested like you are. I mean I was looking up. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.760 I was more star struck by the songwriters when I 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.280 got here because I you know, I had been on stage. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.760 I loved entertaining, but I knew I didn't have the song. 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.200 I didn't I couldn't write a song like I wanted to, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.400 And uh, you know that's why I moved here and 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.920 to take three solid year and just focus on songwriting. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.720 I mean that if that wouldn't have happened that way, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.360 I wouldn't have had those songs for you know, when 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.240 I finally got my chance at a record deal. So 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.360 it's another situation where I thought I was gonna come 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:58.880 up here, I was ready to get a record deal, 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:00.960 and I would have had to screw it up so fast. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.880 I mean, it just happened that at the right time. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.200 But that songwriting was definitely my my avenue. So, you know, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.160 in this town and they're luckily doing the show, I 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.920 get to bring up all the great songwriters. You know, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.760 there becomes the coolest songwriters at the moment. They aren't 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.600 artists yet, it may never be, but it's like, you know, 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.240 who's the coolest? Were you for a while that the 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.840 the coolest songwriter for a minute? I don't think so. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.640 I don't um, you know, I wouldn't think that. I 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.080 would think that I was a guy that people hopefully 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.080 wanted to write with a second time and the third time. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.960 I think that's you know something my publisher, the people 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.040 that you know brought me up through the business. It 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.720 was like, you know, you gotta have this town. You know, 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.440 behind you, wanting to write with you again. I mean, 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:46.040 you gotta um, you know, you gotta write the best 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.320 songs you can. And I think, uh, I never felt 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.160 like that. I just felt like I started getting some 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.000 songs recorded and people heard my versions and it was 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.440 like a lot of artists now it's like, well man, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.600 let's uh you know that's and that was about the 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.480 time that that you came along. You know. It's it's 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.800 crazy to think like it's all that happened. Uh, and 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.879 then I finally got my chance. So it is crazy 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.760 to think that you've really only been an artist for 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.960 about four and a half years, and that's what's something. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.800 I think. You know, you have a ton of hits 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.439