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Speaker 3: What Up. Welcome in this.

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Speaker 2: The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be.

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Speaker 4: Making us part of your day.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I'm County Killian for Colin Cowherd, and

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Speaker 3: for the next couple of hours, I want to talk

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Speaker 3: sports with you. It's a Friday, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: how to say this, so I get excited. It's a

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Speaker 3: football Fraight. We had NFL teams with Joe Burrow starting

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Speaker 3: had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games and actually playing

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Speaker 3: some of their guys last night. We'll have some of

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Speaker 3: that tonight. So and by the end of the weekend,

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Speaker 3: every team will have had a preseason game and we

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Speaker 3: can make all of our predictions and assessments based upon

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Speaker 3: we don't really know, right one's playing against fours and whatever,

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Speaker 3: and while either crown Shador Sanders the starter and franchise

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Speaker 3: quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, or we're gonna say he's

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Speaker 3: abom any stinks by the end of the weekend and

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Speaker 3: it may not actually matter to how he plays. That's

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Speaker 3: preseason football. That's football. Mark Dominic, who's the former gentlem

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Speaker 3: manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. He'll join us upcoming in

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Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. This is a weird way of presenting this story,

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Speaker 3: but I do think it's the only way of presenting

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Speaker 3: this story is and I understand it's a contradictory way

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Speaker 3: of talking about it, but it's the way in which

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Speaker 3: I do feel like we should all talk about it,

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Speaker 3: which is, I don't care about Michael Parsons. Not that

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Speaker 3: I don't care about him as a person might care

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Speaker 3: about him as a person's fairly limited. Let's just kind

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Speaker 3: of be honest. We're not friends, doesn't mean we're enemies,

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Speaker 3: but I don't actually care. It's a great football player,

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Speaker 3: seems to be a bright enough guy, and who am

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Speaker 3: I as a head basketball coach in Division one and

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Speaker 3: also a radio show host on the Doug Gotlib show

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Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio. Who am I to be critical

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Speaker 3: his age, he still has what I would call it's

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Speaker 3: not that his opinions aren't developed, but partly they're not

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Speaker 3: really developed. Also, it just doesn't have like when you're

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Speaker 3: especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew

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Speaker 3: up stat nerd studying every other and every other thing.

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Speaker 3: So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot.

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Speaker 3: When he's talking about other stuff, you know, I know

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Speaker 3: very much. And all he knows is during his lifespan, right,

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Speaker 3: which may be interesting to you. But there's so many

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Speaker 3: pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: especially when you're going through struggles. It may not be

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Speaker 3: We do this dance, not just with the Cowboys, we

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Speaker 3: do this dance every year. We're like, wow, you know,

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Speaker 3: he could be a free agent at the end of

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Speaker 3: the year. Huh did we not review how the contracts

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Speaker 3: the rookie contracts are structured in the NFL, and as

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Speaker 3: And he has basically one choice that's to play for

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Speaker 3: It it gives them cost certainty, and it also helps

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Speaker 3: is it's mutually beneficial. It's mutually uh punitive. But the

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Speaker 3: At the Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent.

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Speaker 3: There's no reason for them to want him to be

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Speaker 3: up with new and clever ways in which to point

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Speaker 3: out the who actually done it. You know, the storylines

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Speaker 3: but it ends up coming to be where you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: how many years have we done this? Just last year?

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Speaker 3: know Zeke who this is. It's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook.

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Speaker 3: And Jerry always gives in Kay's gonna pay a bunch

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Speaker 3: He's not even holding out, nor is he gonna hold

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Speaker 3: doesn't want to lose this payday or this year. He's

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Speaker 3: not sitting as not threatening to sit out. He simply's like,

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Speaker 3: I want to be traded. Sure? Now, could the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: They could do that. I just don't think they will.

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Speaker 3: Drafted Mike com Parsons. They like Mike Caparsons. He works there,

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Speaker 3: he's been you know, last year was a different defensive

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Speaker 3: not great. But he's gonna be a Cowboy. And the

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Speaker 3: only reason he wouldn't be a Cowboys if the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: they're clearly not at that point. Otherwise they wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: negotiated a deal. So I have talked for seven minutes

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Speaker 3: compelled to circle back to Dallas Cowboys, Micah Parson's star

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Speaker 3: long term extension. And I feel like we keep getting

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Speaker 3: roped into the same storyline year after year, time after time.

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Speaker 3: It's tiresome, made even worse by the fact that we

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Speaker 3: get this fake Oh, he could be he's a free

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Speaker 3: free agent. You can go restricted free agent right or

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Speaker 3: There's no it's not a player option. It's not a

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Speaker 3: you can still negotiate a long term deal during any

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Speaker 3: the next three years after this year. If the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: so he doesn't get fined. They came to some sort

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Speaker 3: the end of I don't know, next two weeks, Michael

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Speaker 3: Here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations bomb.

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Speaker 5: Thank the world of mic. Like I've said, I've had

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Speaker 5: a lot of I've had social time with Michael, which

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Speaker 5: isn't always the case, but I have. He's one of

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Speaker 5: Now, how we ultimately mail him in with our future

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Speaker 5: is a challenge and I'm built for it and he's

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Speaker 5: built for it. We have continual contract negotiations going on.

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Speaker 5: I know you have Mike at front of mine, but

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Speaker 5: we're continually working on contracts when all clubs are, and

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Speaker 5: any time that we've completed contract negotiations, but I'm appreciative

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Speaker 5: when we do so. But it's really business as usually.

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Speaker 3: So if it's business as usual, what are we actually doing?

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Speaker 3: Doug Gottlie Pavilion for Colin. Is the Parsons deal inevitable?

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if you guys saw it. And

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Speaker 3: Richardson just located a pinky last night didn't play particularly

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Speaker 3: well well. Ask Mark Dominic is into time for the

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Speaker 3: Colts to kind of cut bait. That's next in the Hurd.

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Speaker 3: But my first thought anytime somebody asking me about Micah

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. It's funny you bring that

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Speaker 3: Williams signing a three year It's it's really a twenty

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Speaker 3: three million dollar deal, And I thought of a discussion

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Speaker 3: we've had the last couple of years, which is I

431
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Speaker 3: get that Saquan was great and Philadelphia tore up his

432
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Speaker 3: deal and gave him more years. I get that Derrick

433
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Speaker 3: Henry has had a good year last year with Baltimore,

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Speaker 3: and obviously Josh Jacobs. I don't know if the Raiders

435
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Speaker 3: would have let him walk if they knew he was

436
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Speaker 3: going to be that good, that effective and be able

437
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Speaker 3: to play that many steps. That said, like, what has

438
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Speaker 3: really changed on the running back market? Right? It's still

439
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Speaker 3: a two year deal, which is kind of They were

440
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Speaker 3: fighting for three year guaranteed contracts. They were fighting for

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Speaker 3: more money, and this really is writing with like seventh

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Speaker 3: highest paid running back. It doesn't feel like there's that

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Speaker 3: much change and that the Saquon thing is an outlier thing.

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Speaker 3: Do you see a change in the running back market?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I think this is a mistake. I think it's an

447
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Speaker 7: agent who was wanting to get a guy signed, probably

448
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Speaker 7: getting pressure from the kid, the young man. He's a

449
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Speaker 7: really talented running back, and I think if he plays

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Speaker 7: this thing out, it's easy to sit there and say

451
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Speaker 7: this on the phone or you know, like ah, yeah,

452
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Speaker 7: just played out. You know thirty what's twenty something million dollars? Okay,

453
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Speaker 7: wait to say what if something goes wrong. But at

454
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Speaker 7: the same point, this deal, this deal to me by

455
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Speaker 7: Drew Rosenhouse set the market back again for running backs.

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Speaker 7: It's a bad deal and it's a deal that looks

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Speaker 7: like it's the Rams said hey, look we'll do something,

458
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Speaker 7: but it's going to be what we want, not what

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Speaker 7: you need or what you should get, what your value

460
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Speaker 7: really should be. And so I think it's a I

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Speaker 7: don't I never blame a kid. I understand like that,

462
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Speaker 7: you know, this real money to their you know, it

463
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Speaker 7: can really impact them, especially if they use it correctly

464
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Speaker 7: and invest it and think long term with some of

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Speaker 7: the stuff. But in terms of the running back market,

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Speaker 7: I think this hurt. It hurt James Cook, it hurt

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Speaker 7: you know, just about everybody because it's it's yeah, it's

468
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Speaker 7: a two year deal, but he was gonna already going

469
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Speaker 7: to be there this year or a Seeriars guaranteed, but

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Speaker 7: that that doesn't really matter, Like you're already going to

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Speaker 7: have him there this year, and you were going to

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Speaker 7: have him there next year, you know, so where the

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Speaker 7: goal was to be there. So it's to me it's

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Speaker 7: just one of those deals where it hurt the market.

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Speaker 7: But I don't know who pushed it further. I don't

476
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Speaker 7: know if the agent was like, I want to get

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Speaker 7: this guy sighed because I want to get paid, or

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Speaker 7: if it was the player going I got to get

479
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Speaker 7: paid because I'm scared I'm gonna have something go wrong.

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Speaker 7: Either way, it wasn't good for running backs, even though

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Speaker 7: the players are really talented player.

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Speaker 3: Mark Dominic's our guest here in the Herd on Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. There have been some that have said that

484
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Speaker 3: Shador Sanders is being set up to fail because he's

485
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Speaker 3: had limited reps with the Ones and he's going to

486
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Speaker 3: get to start for the Browns. Now should be pointed

487
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Speaker 3: out that most of the starters. I don't think any of

488
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Speaker 3: the starters are actually playing, so it's the twos and threes.

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Speaker 3: But because of injury, he's been elevated. He's going to

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Speaker 3: get an opportunity. You sat in that seat as a

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Speaker 3: general manager in the NFL with young quarterbacks that have

492
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Speaker 3: been drafted. Do you believe he's being set up to fail?

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Speaker 7: No one such a guy have to fail. I mean

494
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Speaker 7: there's internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever

495
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Speaker 7: going to do is like, I can't wait to get

496
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Speaker 7: this guy out there so he falls on his face.

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Speaker 7: It's like no one thinks that way, especially with the

498
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Speaker 7: draft pick, and I know it's shaduor Sanders, and people

499
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Speaker 7: are like, oh this is you know, look, they already

500
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Speaker 7: drafted a quarterback and they traded up to make sure

501
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Speaker 7: they got the next quarterback. They want him to be

502
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Speaker 7: successful desperately. The problem is what you said that there's

503
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Speaker 7: been a lot of injuries and he's found a way

504
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Speaker 7: to get healthier faster than all the other guys. And

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Speaker 7: you know, there's a great opportunity. You know it doesn't

506
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Speaker 7: you know, there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that

507
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Speaker 7: organization is like, let's put Shador out there so he

508
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Speaker 7: looks terrible and he fails. No one's thinking that in

509
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Speaker 7: that organization. So it's it's silly to write it that

510
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Speaker 7: way or even to consider it. I think that they

511
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Speaker 7: know how they play him, how they use them. We'll

512
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Speaker 7: see to be determined, you know itself. It's a line

513
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Speaker 7: that's in front of him. That's the most concerning thing.

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Speaker 7: But it's still going to be an opportunity that Shaduur

515
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Speaker 7: has to say, Hey, look, I can play at this

516
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Speaker 7: level and I can play with I can rise the

517
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Speaker 7: level of guys that might not be first stringers, and

518
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Speaker 7: we can go out there and be productive. It'll be

519
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Speaker 7: great to watch. But he is not getting set up

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Speaker 7: to fail. He's getting set up there go have an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams seems to have struggled some in the new offense.

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy is, you know, he's second year, but really

523
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Speaker 3: just a rookie struggle a little bit in Minnesota. How

524
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Speaker 3: long before you know, like let's just go with JJ? Like,

525
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Speaker 3: how long before you know you're like, it's just not

526
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Speaker 3: going to work.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a great story I can share with you

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Speaker 7: real quick. Doug is that I was fortunate back in

529
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Speaker 7: the day when I first came in the league with

530
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Speaker 7: the Kansas City Chiefs, and then I went down to

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Speaker 7: Tampa for once in nineteen ninety five. Trent Dilferm was

532
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Speaker 7: our quarterback, so he'd already played the ninety four season.

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Speaker 7: He was in the second season. He just finished the

534
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Speaker 7: second season, was going in the ninety six and I

535
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Speaker 7: met the NFL combine and back then you had to

536
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Speaker 7: sometimes take a bus to certain things. Well, the young

537
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Speaker 7: Mark Dollinic back then, at twenty four years old, happened

538
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Speaker 7: to get to sit next to Bill Walsh, which was

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Speaker 7: just goosebumps. Right, You're like, that's Bill Walston. I'm sitting

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Speaker 7: next to him on a So I was like, I

541
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Speaker 7: have this book, I'm just gonna ask him a question.

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Speaker 7: So I asked him the exact question, Doug, how long

543
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Speaker 7: until you know? He said, he takes a season and

544
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Speaker 7: a half and after our season and a half, if

545
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Speaker 7: he can't do it, he's not doing it. That's what

546
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Speaker 7: Bill Walsh saw. And you know, I thought there was

547
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Speaker 7: a thing about Trent Dilfer. Can he really do it?

548
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Speaker 7: And you happy for Trent and that he went to

549
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Speaker 7: Baltimore and found a way to win a Super Bowl,

550
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Speaker 7: But he Bill Walts says, you got to season and

551
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Speaker 7: a half and if you can't do it by that point,

552
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Speaker 7: it's just not going to happen. I still believe that,

553
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Speaker 7: and I think if you look around the league, it

554
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 7: holds pretty true that most guys get it figured out

555
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 7: or they don't.

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Speaker 3: I love that first, you basically sat next to God

557
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Speaker 3: himself in terms of offensive football. Right may maybe he's

558
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Speaker 3: that guy, but he's got a direct line because that dude,

559
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Speaker 3: you know, that's awesome, which which brings me actually that

560
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Speaker 3: it's great because it links up the arch Manning story

561
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Speaker 3: from yesterday, right where Archie Manning came out and say, hey,

562
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Speaker 3: look my grandson's going to be at Texas not just

563
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Speaker 3: this year but next year. And you know, I know,

564
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Speaker 3: people want to make it about the NIL that kids

565
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Speaker 3: are receiving, and I do think there's a lot of

566
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Speaker 3: smarter decisions where guys stay in school longer. There's some

567
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Speaker 3: good to the NIL thing. There's some downside to it

568
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Speaker 3: as well, which we can get to at a different time.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think it has anything to do with that.

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Speaker 3: I think it has to do with His uncles are

571
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Speaker 3: both Hall of Famers and they both stayed because you

572
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Speaker 3: need a volume of reps. And if you look at

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix, if you look at I mean, the kid

574
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Speaker 3: in Denver is the perfect example. He wasn't very good

575
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Speaker 3: at Auburn, but but he got so many reps and

576
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Speaker 3: got to Oregon and he was the best quarterback on

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Speaker 3: earth at Oregon. This feels like Archie Manning saying, like

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Speaker 3: we've done this before, we know how it works. It's

579
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Speaker 3: way more important you get a volume of live reps

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Speaker 3: than it is because you only get that year and

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Speaker 3: a half when you get to the NFL. Right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I think they're absolutely spot on. And you know,

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Speaker 7: I think whether Nile was there or not, I think

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Speaker 7: it'd be able to be a two year starter in college.

585
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Speaker 7: Is tremendously important, and you know, because the transition for

586
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Speaker 7: the next level is astronomical, and so I think that

587
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Speaker 7: it's spot on. The benefit is that Nile exists, and

588
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Speaker 7: it makes this decision even easier, even though I think

589
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Speaker 7: they would have done it the same way because they

590
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Speaker 7: have seen this book and they've played it, and they've

591
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Speaker 7: talked to people and they understand the difficulty of this

592
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Speaker 7: is that family of anybody understands the difficulty of this position,

593
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Speaker 7: and so you know, I think it's the right move.

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Speaker 7: I think he's being absolutely spot on, and you know,

595
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Speaker 7: thankfully and Il is going to make it a lot

596
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Speaker 7: easier for him to stay for another season and hopefully

597
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Speaker 7: really build off of what he learns this year.

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Speaker 3: Mark, great stuff man, Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the

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Speaker 3: football this weekend, and we will talk to you next

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Speaker 3: week on the Doug Otlieb Show.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Doug, you're the best buddy, all right.

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Speaker 3: That's Mark Dominic, former gentlem manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: He said, that's like you sit next to I was

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Speaker 3: in I was in Israel coaching a team and David Blatt.

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Speaker 3: I see, like David Blatt up very tall like now,

606
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Speaker 3: and I know, David Blatt, some people don't think great

607
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Speaker 3: coach because it didn't work out with Lebron in Cleveland,

608
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Speaker 3: but in Israel as a coach Mccabi Tel Aviv's national

609
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Speaker 3: team coach. Again, that's like sitting next to a godlike

610
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Speaker 3: figure and just listening to him talk. Last year with

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Speaker 3: my job now at green Back, get a chance to

612
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Speaker 3: spend two days with Dick Bennett and you're listening to

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Speaker 3: you like whatever you say, that's what I should do

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Speaker 3: because you've done it for forty years. Let's get to

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Speaker 3: Ryan Music with the news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, this is the Herd Line news.

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Speaker 8: Hell right, Oh Doug, great to be with you today.

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Speaker 8: Let's kick things off picking up where you and Mark

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Speaker 8: Dominic just left off.

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Speaker 4: That's some NFL football.

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Speaker 8: And earlier this week, video of Caleb Williams at training

622
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Speaker 8: camp made the rounds. Showed Williams and Bears quarterbacks participating

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Speaker 8: in a throwing drill with a net and well, Williams

624
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Speaker 8: pretty much missing the target each time. Here was a

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Speaker 8: reporter asking Williams about that viral video.

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Speaker 6: All right, so there's this video.

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Speaker 9: I think some hilarious at some natural places, I think

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Speaker 9: they blew it up and it's a competition between us

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Speaker 9: and the guys, and so how fast you can get

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Speaker 9: it out, how I can get it out? And you know,

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Speaker 9: they just so happened to blow that one up and

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Speaker 9: not any other one.

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Speaker 4: So what are you making of?

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Speaker 8: Bears and William overall haven't necessarily received the most positive

635
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Speaker 8: reports out of training camp for these Chicago Bears under

636
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Speaker 8: new head coach Ben Johnson, despite a lot of the

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Speaker 8: sky high expectations for the pairing.

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Speaker 3: Two different like I'll eat too of different parts. First,

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Speaker 3: in regards to the drill, again, none of us know

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Speaker 3: and I thought Caleb was saying, Hey, it's about how

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Speaker 3: quick you get rid of it too? Right, Well, you're

642
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Speaker 3: you're not jacking around, but it's not like you're back

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Speaker 3: there trying to be precise and getting your drops and

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Speaker 3: then throwing it. Is it troubling Maybe a little bit,

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Speaker 3: but again there's no context provided to it. Was he

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Speaker 3: missing everything all day?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 3: What am I? So? So if you come to my

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Speaker 3: gym and you watch a one specific drill, you may

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Speaker 3: think my best player like, well, you're not very good

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Speaker 3: at that, and that that should be a basic skill

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Speaker 3: for a quarterback. But again, you don't know, like, am

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Speaker 3: I doing number may threes? Or am I doing how

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Speaker 3: many kids? Just get him up, Just get him up,

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Speaker 3: just catch it. Don't even look, just rip, get him

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Speaker 3: up as quickly as you can. See how accurate you

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Speaker 3: are there.

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Speaker 8: Totally so on those two points, real quick to provide

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Speaker 8: the larger context. So part of what he's pointed out

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Speaker 8: is that that was just one drill at one time.

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Speaker 8: Apparently the reports are from other people who are at

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Speaker 8: the training camp, is that there were other times where

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Speaker 8: he went like three for three and hit the target

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Speaker 8: perfectly every time. And he also went on to expand

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Speaker 8: and say that that drill specifically with getting it out

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Speaker 8: quick is because you're supposed to be practicing as if

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Speaker 8: you're running a screenplay. So it's just about snap, get

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Speaker 8: the ball to the playmaker and go.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Now, what do I think of the Bears? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I've heard the same stuff, but nothing means anything.

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Speaker 3: Do we see him play on Sundays? All right, don't care.

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Speaker 3: We'll wrap up with this, just don't care.

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Speaker 1: Not.

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Speaker 8: In ratings are out a bit of a surprise. Patrick

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Speaker 8: Mahomes came in fourth among quarterbacks behind Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 8: and Joe Burrow. Mahomes, who's said he's a fan and

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Speaker 8: plays the legendary video game, was asked about the rankings.

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Speaker 10: I would like to be rated higher, but I got

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Speaker 10: to play and showcase that stuff on the football field.

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Speaker 10: And so if I believe I go out there and

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Speaker 10: play the football that I want to play, that we

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Speaker 10: can get to ninety nine and pretty quickly.

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Speaker 8: Feels like we've got a bit of Mahomes fatigue happening, right,

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Speaker 8: Like we all know.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I like. Here's that Like anybody who actually

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Speaker 3: takes those ratings to mean something, just go like, okay,

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Speaker 3: we clear the deck. You can draft anybody in the NFL?

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Speaker 3: Is anyone taking a quarterback? Adam Petmows?

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Speaker 8: I don't see how you do. And I love Josh Allen,

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Speaker 8: and I love Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson's incredible, But

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Speaker 8: I don't see how if you're just given the number

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Speaker 8: one overall pick, nothing attached to it whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Just who do you want? I don't see how.

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Speaker 3: He's been a starter for seven seasons?

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Speaker 5: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Is seven? He's been somebody use that Google machine. I

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Speaker 3: think seven seasons? And he has reached the championship game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, seven seasons as a full time starter. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he has reached.

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Speaker 4: The AFC Championship game time every year.

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Speaker 3: So somehow Madden ratings had become relevant to people. I

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Speaker 3: just we've reached the point to wear it and look,

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Speaker 3: I love Madden. I've been doing this job in sports

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Speaker 3: radio nationally. I remember my first year is two thousand

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Speaker 3: and three. I was with the ESPN, and I used

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Speaker 3: to play Madden because it would help me remember which

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Speaker 3: player moved to which team, Like play every team in

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Speaker 3: play every team at least once, and like oh then

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Speaker 3: you know everybody's name was a great way. And I

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Speaker 3: was just married, no kids. You know, my wife worked afternoons.

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Speaker 3: I worked tonight, so I'd get up in the morning,

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Speaker 3: she'd be gone like midday and I just throw on whatever.

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Speaker 3: So this is not me telling you I'm not a gamer.

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Speaker 3: I don't love Matten. But when do we take Madden

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Speaker 3: ratings or two K ratings to mean anything? I don't Sorry,

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Speaker 3: that's right. Music with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 3: The Big twelve makes one small tweak hitting into the season.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why the tweak was the right one.

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Speaker 3: That's next time, Doug gotlib This is the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noone Easter not a im Pacific.

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Speaker 3: Which gives you a chance to listen to me, Doug

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Speaker 3: Gottliebin for colinists The Herd. Hey, I'm I'm excited. We're

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Speaker 3: all excited. We have brand a YouTube channel for my

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Speaker 3: show each day on Fox Sports Trader. Just go to

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Speaker 3: YouTube dot com slash at Doug Gottlieb Show. All right,

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Speaker 3: you can check out our show. Really that simple. There

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Speaker 3: you go, got it? Good? Good?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Brett, Your Mark is the commissioner of the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 3: And here's a guy that he's pretty impressive due to

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Speaker 3: former his brothers a twin brothers, is a high powered agent.

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Speaker 3: He basically ran the Brooklyn Nets previous to this, and

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Speaker 3: he's tried a lot of things, and I think there's

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Speaker 3: one thing that some people have pushed back on that

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Speaker 3: is absolutely brilliant. And I'm not really sure if people

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Speaker 3: understand why this was your mark Back at Big Twelve

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Speaker 3: Media days, on why they decided not to release a

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Speaker 3: preseason poll.

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Speaker 11: I think it disadvantaged Arizona State. Last year they were

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Speaker 11: picked sixteenth, and I think that hurt them.

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Speaker 4: I think there's no value. And I also feel that with.

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Speaker 11: The transfer portal and with roster management and what goes on,

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Speaker 11: you know, as you build that roster, no one knows

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Speaker 11: what they really have. They know what they have on paper,

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Speaker 11: but it hasn't played out, and that was the case

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Speaker 11: with Arizona State last year. So I think I don't

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Speaker 11: know if it's a trend or not, but certainly it's

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Speaker 11: the right thing for the Big twelve.

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Speaker 4: And I'm glad we didn't.

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Speaker 3: I the second part I could not echo more the

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Speaker 3: first part. Yeah, okay, maybe maybe maybe you're right, maybe

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Speaker 3: it held him back. I don't really know. But the

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Speaker 3: bigger part is the second part, which is nobody actually knows.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been on my job for as a

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Speaker 3: head coach at Green Bay for thirteen months. You know,

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Speaker 3: we knew that deck was stacked against us last year.

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Speaker 3: We also didn't know that our the nation's leading scorer,

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Speaker 3: would break his ankle ten games in. I didn't know that,

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Speaker 3: but the you know, the Robert Morris won our league,

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Speaker 3: won league tournament year before, they were next to last

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Speaker 3: and even earlier this season. It took them a while

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Speaker 3: to kind of come together and they became a really,

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Speaker 3: really good team. But it wasn't you know, they got

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Speaker 3: laid out of the portal Dickerson who transferred to USC

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Speaker 3: and the only reason they got him was there's a

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Speaker 3: coaching change at carl to Charleston. He was going to Charleston,

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Speaker 3: then he became available, then they happened and got him,

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Speaker 3: and he just kind of fit what they did. The

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Speaker 3: point is nobody knows, you know, if you go back

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Speaker 3: and listen to podcast, to my show, we had Michael

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Speaker 3: Lombardi on. Mike Lombardi. Of course he's been a general

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Speaker 3: manager in the NFL, he's been in front offices for years.

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Speaker 3: He's written numerous books and of course here's a broadcast

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Speaker 3: with Visen and before that the NFL network and Fox

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Speaker 3: as well, and Michael Lombardy is like, we have seventy

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Speaker 3: new guys. We don't really know what we have. You know,

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Speaker 3: Myoma or Oklahoma State, they think they're going to be better,

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Speaker 3: but they have sixty five new players, fifteen padded practice

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Speaker 3: and then they go and play and again, granted, and

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Speaker 3: I know we do this stupid thing as broadcasters were like, wow,

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Speaker 3: why are you playing you know, Southwest, Northwestern whatever when

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Speaker 3: you're a power for school, because you don't know what

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Speaker 3: you have and even when you practice, oftentimes you don't

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Speaker 3: know until there's live bullets. So a preseason pool, anybody

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Speaker 3: who tells you they know they're lying because nobody knows.

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Speaker 3: Ask all the coaches, how good are you? Like, I

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Speaker 3: think we're better, but I don't know what everybody else is. Right,

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Speaker 3: It's not just you don't know what you have, it's

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Speaker 3: you don't know what everybody else has. And Indiana is

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Speaker 3: the perfect example. Do I think Indiana was great last year? No?

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Speaker 3: But did you know they spent twenty million dollars in

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Speaker 3: their roster? I didn't. And then it all just kind

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Speaker 3: of came together and their schedule was soft, and they

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Speaker 3: took advantage of things and had some great wins. Like

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Speaker 3: all those things were amazing. So when you have you know,

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Speaker 3: most of these teams have at least half of their

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Speaker 3: roster brand new, and some of them have a strong

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Speaker 3: portion of them that came in after the spring game.

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Speaker 3: And we're doing away with some spring games, so they

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Speaker 3: never played together, they never played for you, some of

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Speaker 3: them didn't play where they were previously. They're just talented

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Speaker 3: guys that you think can be good, and you're gonna

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Speaker 3: make predictions for a team and a conference in a

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Speaker 3: country like it doesn't work. I actually think you're Mark

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Speaker 3: nailed that, especially the second part of his remarks. Nobody

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Speaker 3: knows what they have, and anybody who tells you they

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00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: know lying because they may like what they have, but

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Speaker 3: you don't. There's no context to it. You don't know

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Speaker 3: the level of competition. You're like, well, we spent about this.

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Speaker 3: They spent about that they should have more, but who knows.

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Speaker 3: You know, not one hundred percent hit rate just isn't

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Speaker 3: just isn't. So what the Big twelve did for me

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Speaker 3: is groundbreaking. I know it doesn't feel good. We all

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Speaker 3: love predictions, but the fact is you're predicting about something

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Speaker 3: you have zero clue, actually about zero. I will ask

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Speaker 3: Josh Paid about it. Of course, he's a collegea ball

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Speaker 3: inside of the Josh Paid College Football Show. He joins

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Speaker 3: us next hour. I'm sure he's got predictions and things

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Speaker 3: he knows, but the reality is nobody really knows, although

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Speaker 3: you know, I think people want to see Caleb de

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Speaker 3: boor year two, what that looks like, what's it looked

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Speaker 3: like for for Penn State. That this should be a

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Speaker 3: year where James Franklin can he actually beat a ranked team?

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Speaker 3: So we got Josh bit next hour coming up next,

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Speaker 3: the big day is finally here. Shador Sanders will make

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Speaker 3: his debut as a Cleveland Brown as the starting quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Will he be legendary? We'll discuss next in the Hurt