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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Mike Florio, the pompulter host of Pro

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Speaker 2: Football Talk Lot. Let me start there, Mike, whose career

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Speaker 2: do you want? Joe Flacco or do you want Philip Rivers?

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Speaker 3: Probably Flaco because it's the ultimate team sport. You want

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Speaker 3: to win a Super Bowl. He won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: He was twice the highest paid player in all of football.

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Speaker 3: And I love the fact, Dan, when you think about

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Speaker 3: true franchise quarterbacks, guys who were once paid more than

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Speaker 3: anyone else in the sport. For him to be willing

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Speaker 3: to humble himself and be a backup for years and

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Speaker 3: just keep playing, keep going.

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Speaker 4: How many guys do that?

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine Peyton Manning holding a clipboard once his

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Speaker 3: starting days ended. It really is refreshing to see a

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Speaker 3: guy who loves the sport so much he hangs around,

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Speaker 3: he gets his chance.

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Speaker 4: And off of Paul's point.

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Speaker 3: About the Pro Bowl, my favorite fact about the current

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns roster at quarterback. They have six guys and

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Speaker 3: one Pro Bowler, Tyler Hunt. The other five no Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 2: Mike's latest novel, Big Shield, debuts today on Amazon and

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Speaker 2: tale of gambling, the mob and pro football. But for

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Speaker 2: legal reasons, it's definitely not about the NFL.

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Speaker 4: I can't stop you.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a franchise in Vegas, there's a franchise

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Speaker 3: in Baltimore, there's a franchise in Minnesota. I can't stop

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Speaker 3: the reader from envisioning the colors and the logos and

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Speaker 3: the name. But for legal reasons, I just go with Vegas, Baltimore, Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: They can't copyright city and state names.

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Speaker 2: Do you expect to hear from the NFL.

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Speaker 3: No, I think they'll ignore the book. I think it

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Speaker 3: will bother them enough that they'll ignore it that that'll

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Speaker 3: be the strategy. However, they should like it because Dan,

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Speaker 3: it's a cautionary tale about what can happen with inside information.

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Speaker 4: There's so much inside information out there.

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Speaker 3: Who's really injured, who's not, what's the game plan, who's

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Speaker 3: going to get the ball?

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Speaker 4: All sorts of things before game and during games.

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Speaker 3: I know they're concerned about guys on the sidelines giving

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Speaker 3: signals to people who would lock in micro bets for

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Speaker 3: runner pass. Coincidentally, that's what happens in this book. That's

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Speaker 3: the premise. A backup quarterback for the Vegas franchise of

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Speaker 3: a fictional pro football league gets tied in with a

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Speaker 3: mobster and it all kind of goes from there where

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Speaker 3: this relationship has ups and downs and twists and turns,

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Speaker 3: and four hundred pages later you get a resolution.

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Speaker 2: It's a called Big Shield. Now the NFL is called

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Speaker 2: the Shield.

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Speaker 3: Mike, Well, that's right, and I loosely refer to the

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Speaker 3: NFL as Big Shield.

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Speaker 4: So it's all part of the game. Look, I want that.

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Speaker 4: Did you see the Billy Joel documentary.

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Speaker 3: The best thing that ever happened to him was the

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Speaker 3: Catholic Church banning.

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Speaker 4: Only the good Die Young.

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Speaker 3: He sent them a note saying, will you please ban

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Speaker 3: my other songs?

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Speaker 4: When people feel like they're not.

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Speaker 3: Supposed to read or watch or listen to something, it

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Speaker 3: makes them want it even more.

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Speaker 2: Do you want the NFL to sue you?

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Speaker 4: Oh, they won't sue me. No, Dan, they won't.

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Speaker 3: They won't sue me because nothing in here infringes on

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Speaker 3: any of their copyrights. And it's a pure work of

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Speaker 3: fiction that there's nothing in there that libels anyone. All

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Speaker 3: the characters are made up, The whole thing is completely

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Speaker 3: made up. The only issue would be copyrights. I don't

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Speaker 3: use NFL, I don't use team names.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm safe there.

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Speaker 3: Now, if they would want to assume me, if it

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Speaker 3: would help book sales, then you know I would.

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Speaker 4: I would deal with that. But they won't. They'll ignore it,

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Speaker 4: Like they remember the film Concussion.

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Speaker 3: They were scared to death of that movie, and their

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Speaker 3: strategy was to ignore it, and they did and it

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Speaker 3: workedn't It didn't really move the needle.

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Speaker 2: I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole

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Speaker 2: smelling salts. We know it's supposed to mask a concussion, right,

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Speaker 2: Why are they allowing you to still bring in something

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Speaker 2: that it's bring your own smelling salts into to mask concussions.

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't you make that illegal so we can detect if

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Speaker 2: you have a concussion.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the realities of collective bargaining, and

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Speaker 3: collective bargaining can be very good, but it also can

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Speaker 3: become ridiculous because if the league were to go to

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Speaker 3: the players and say we want a complete and total

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Speaker 3: ban on smelling salts, the players would be inclined to say,

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Speaker 3: what's in it for us? If you want the ban,

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Speaker 3: we're going to say we don't, so we can get

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Speaker 3: something from you to give you what you want.

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Speaker 4: And it works both ways.

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Speaker 3: Look, marijuana legal in most of the states now where

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Speaker 3: the NFL does business, Why don't we just get rid

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Speaker 3: of it. Well, it's a collective bargaining issue, So what's

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Speaker 4: This is the NFL. What's in it for us if

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Speaker 4: we agree to get rid of it.

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Speaker 3: So it's ludicrous when the union sent out to the players,

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Speaker 3: oh hey, you can still bring your own, it's like,

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Speaker 3: wait a minute, is this really a good idea? Should

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Speaker 3: they be having these things around? Should they be using

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Speaker 3: these things? Yeah, the whole thing's ridiculous. And the sooner

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Speaker 3: those things are off the sideline, the better off everyone

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Speaker 2: This garnered a lot of headlines, but we know why.

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Speaker 2: It's Shudoor Sanders, Dylan Gabriel and Dylan Gabriel saying that

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Speaker 2: basically there's entertainers and then he's a competitor, and people

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Speaker 2: thought he's referencing Shador Sanders. Did you hear it that way,

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Speaker 2: that he was referencing people in the media and not

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Speaker 2: shud Or Sanders.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's reasonable to look at those comments

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Speaker 3: and consider the context and come to the conclusion that

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Speaker 3: he was making a comment about Shudur Sanders. I think

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Speaker 3: that's not an unreasonable reaction, and that's what happens. When

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Speaker 3: you put your words out there into the public space

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Speaker 3: for consumption, people are going to come to whatever conclusions

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Speaker 3: they want. I didn't take it that way, but I

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Speaker 3: could see somebody looking at that and thinking, oh, he's

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Speaker 3: taking a little bit of.

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Speaker 4: A shot there. At the end of the day, he

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Speaker 3: I mean he walked through the door with the mindset

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Speaker 3: he's going to be the starter. He's become the starter

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Speaker 3: every where he's been. The Browns quarterback Depth Charty's fascinating Dan,

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Speaker 3: and they're a week away from having to decide how

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Speaker 3: many of these guys are they gonna have on the

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Speaker 3: fifty three man roster. I think Kenny Pickett's gonna be

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Speaker 3: and the two Rickeys rookies competing and or entertaining all

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Speaker 3: of us. Throughout the course of the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 2: We spent a good portion of the first hour talking

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Speaker 2: about how bad the commander's uniforms look. According to PAULI,

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Speaker 2: he thinks they're the worst uniforms in the NFL. Then

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Speaker 2: he gave me his bottom five in there, we'll ask you,

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Speaker 2: where do you sit on the commander's uniforms home uniforms.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're that bad. No, there were worse.

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Speaker 3: The Dolphins I think are the worst. The Dolphins based

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Speaker 3: uniforms are horrible. They should make their throwbacks their full

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Speaker 3: time uniforms. I mean they're worried about the perception that

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Speaker 3: they're soft. Those uniforms screen soft, right you see the throwbacks.

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Speaker 3: The throwbacks are badass. Like if you want to make

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Speaker 3: and you ask any NFL player, how you look is

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Speaker 3: how you feel. The projection, the image, everything the toughness

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Speaker 3: at all oozes from how you look.

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Speaker 4: So I think the Commanders are fine. The Dolphins. The

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Speaker 4: Dolphins are horrible.

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Speaker 3: And don't get me started on the nikefication of the

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Speaker 3: NFL with all the alternate look I will gladly say,

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Speaker 3: get off my launch. I want to be able to

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Speaker 3: turn on an NFL game and know right away who's playing.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to have to sift through throwbacks and

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Speaker 3: alternate uniforms and what are they wearing this week? That

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Speaker 3: drives me crazy, and it's all Nike's fall.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk Live. You

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Speaker 2: can see that show at preceeds hours on Peacock. He

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Speaker 2: also contributes to NBC Football Night in America. I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on with the RAMS with

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, because every time Sean McVay gets in front

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Speaker 2: of the media, he says the same thing but uses

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Speaker 2: different words. Here is Sean McVay talking about Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 5: Was good to be able to have Matthew out there.

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Speaker 5: He did a good job today. I thought he looked good.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I don't really have any updates. You know,

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Speaker 5: I think there was a lot of intended information, but

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Speaker 5: there's no updates. We're going to keep it a day

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Speaker 5: and really a week at a time, but you know,

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Speaker 5: we'll see how this afternoon goes and tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: The key is when he says a week at a time,

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Speaker 3: they're still concerned that this back problem isn't resolved. That

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Speaker 3: the goal was to give him a long runway between

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Speaker 3: when he had the epidural in June and when he

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Speaker 3: started throwing and practicing and the idea was when he

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Speaker 4: It's it's calm down.

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Speaker 3: He can go play seventeen games without it acting up.

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Speaker 4: That didn't fly.

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Speaker 3: He threw sixty eight passes on Saturday last He was

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Speaker 3: supposed to practice the following Monday, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't. And for Matthew Stafford, that's a big deal

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Speaker 3: because this got as tough as nails.

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Speaker 4: He's John Wayne.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna fight through anything, any pain, any discomfort, and

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Speaker 3: he doesn't care. And so the fact that he practiced yesterday,

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Speaker 3: it's all very tentative, he said, Stafford, I mean m McVeigh,

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Speaker 3: excuse me, said, we'll see how the afternoon goes. Like

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Speaker 3: they're constantly going to be watching him, how's he reacting

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Speaker 4: And I think this is gonna hover over them into

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Speaker 3: Season and then he's gonna start getting hit during games.

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Speaker 4: It's not gonna get any better.

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Speaker 3: So I think they need to feel very good about

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Speaker 3: their backups. It's Jimmy Garoppolo and Stetson Bennett, and we

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Speaker 3: may see Garoppolo play at some point in the regular season,

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Speaker 3: because this just doesn't feel like it's sustainable for seventeen

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought the tell was that Garoppolo didn't play

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Speaker 2: at all this last game, that Stetson Bennett played every

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Speaker 2: single play, as if Sean McVay is saying, I can't

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Speaker 2: have you out there and risk you getting injured when

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Speaker 2: I have Matthew Stafford who might not be ready to go.

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Speaker 2: So they sent Stetson Bennett out there to throw forty pounds.

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Speaker 4: They went through this last year.

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Speaker 3: They had to be sure Stetson Bennett was ready to

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Speaker 3: back up Matthew Stafford for the first two games of

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Speaker 3: the season because Garoppolo was suspended. So they had to

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Speaker 3: trust Bennett. And they have to have Bennett ready in

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Speaker 3: the event that he's the number two to Garoppolo, and

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Speaker 3: I think they'll keep Garoppolo in bubble wrap in the

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Speaker 3: event that they've got to play him week one. It'll

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Speaker 3: probably be Stetson Bennett and Dresser win this weekend in

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Speaker 3: the preseason finale, and they just got to hope for

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Speaker 3: the best. I mean, Stafford is one of the toughest

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Speaker 3: guys that I've seen in years in the NFL, and

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Speaker 3: he doesn't complain. I think he's had injuries nobody knows about,

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Speaker 2: He's Mike Florio and once again, his book is definitely

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Speaker 6: Mikey Dan. That's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live. You

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Speaker 7: He's Mike Krmen, I'm Dan Byern. We have a brand

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Speaker 1: That's right, Dan.

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Speaker 8: Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find

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Speaker 10: draft room, things like that. I think ultimately started just

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Speaker 10: really rubbing these guys the wrong way, so they kind

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Speaker 10: of almost had different schools of thought. I would say,

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Speaker 10: and listen, there's still some things that these guys are

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Speaker 10: never going to agree on. If you get them in

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Speaker 10: the same room and ask them who deserves credit for

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Speaker 10: the herschel Walker trade, you're just you're never gonna get

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Speaker 10: the same answer.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 10: They're just that's how they feel, and that's how they're

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Speaker 10: always going to feel. But I do think that they

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Speaker 10: still have a lot of actual respect and admiration that's

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Speaker 10: grown for each other. They've always had that to a

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Speaker 10: certain degree, and I.

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Speaker 9: Think that that's beautiful.

454
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Speaker 10: It's okay to disagree with people forever and still get along.

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Speaker 10: Jerry and Jimmy teach us.

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Speaker 2: That McLain ways producer, director, co director, executive producer of

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Speaker 2: the new documentary on Netflix, America's Team, The Gambler and

458
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Speaker 2: His Cowboys. I started to think about this with Jerry,

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Speaker 2: and it's hard to tell a billionaire that they're wrong,

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Speaker 2: and you know, nobody's gonna tell Jerry's not gonna listen

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Speaker 2: to anybody. But I go back in his coaching tree,

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Speaker 2: and it felt like there were only two coaches who

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Speaker 2: didn't need Jerry Jerry, you know, Brian Schottenheimer, Jason Garrett,

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Speaker 2: Dave Campbell, like these guys all needed this job. They

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Speaker 2: needed Jerry, Bill Parcells did not need Jerry, and Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Johnson did not. Does Jerry talk about who he's hired

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Speaker 2: or why he's hired these coaches who this is America's team?

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Speaker 2: You would think you could get any coach that you

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Speaker 2: wanted to coach these teams.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a great question.

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Speaker 10: And actually I didn't really dive into Jerry too much

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Speaker 10: throughout the you know, each an individual head coach that he's.

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Speaker 9: Hired over the years.

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Speaker 10: But I we hung out a lot as he was

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Speaker 10: making the Schottenheimer decision.

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Speaker 9: And I don't know for better or worse.

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Speaker 10: And I listen, I did not grow up a Cowboys fan,

478
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Speaker 10: so I you grew up in Los Angels in the

479
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Speaker 10: late nineties, so I unfortunately didn't have an NFL team

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Speaker 10: to root for. But so I didn't quite feel it

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Speaker 10: as hard as the fans do. But Jerry, as he

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Speaker 10: neared the Schottenheimer decision, talked about comfortability. That was like

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Speaker 10: a big word that he used time and time again.

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Speaker 10: He was comfortable with Shotenheimer, comfortable with Shottenheimer, which did

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Speaker 10: strike me as unique because this is a guy that

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Speaker 10: has taken risk after risk after risk, and even with

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Speaker 10: something like the Johnny Manziel story that he kind of

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Speaker 10: tells about Steven being like, we're not going to draft

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Speaker 10: Johnny Manziel and Jerry being like, all right, we're not

490
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Speaker 10: going to draft Johnny Manzel. But Jerry's retort is, you know,

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Speaker 10: that was the middle of the road decision, and I

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Speaker 10: didn't build it.

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Speaker 9: Dallas Cowboys the way I did.

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Speaker 10: By making middle of the road decisions, you have to

495
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Speaker 10: take risks because the reward is just, you know.

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Speaker 9: Ten x what you can get.

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Speaker 10: But Schottenheimer was a comfortable decision for Jerry. And I

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Speaker 10: don't know if that's because he feels like he's very

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Speaker 10: close to what he where. He ultimately wants to get

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Speaker 10: to a super Bowl and he doesn't want to change

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Speaker 10: things up too much.

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Speaker 9: But I was a little like.

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Speaker 10: Okay, interesting We're not really making like a big, risky,

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Speaker 10: splashy choice here. He's going to go with someone that

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Speaker 10: he's comfortable with.

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Speaker 2: There's a quote that's attributed to The Athletic and it's

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys twenty twenty three playoff loss to the Packers,

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Speaker 2: where midway through the fourth quarter it's forty eight to sixteen,

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Speaker 2: and Jerry in the documentary says, this loss hurt us

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Speaker 2: in every way more than anyone we've ever had. That's

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Speaker 2: the worst loss in Jerry Jones's career.

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Speaker 9: That's what he said.

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Speaker 10: And man that we've were with that team a lot

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Speaker 10: in twenty twenty three, and ultimately, I think if they

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Speaker 10: would have had a deep playoff run, it probably would

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Speaker 10: have been a larger part of the documentary series, kind

517
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Speaker 10: of following the team on the road that year and

518
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Speaker 10: filming them a lot. And well, listen, I was on

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Speaker 10: the Cowboys hype train that year too, because you know,

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Speaker 10: they were kind of undefeated at home. They had won

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Speaker 10: I think like sixteen games at AT and T and

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Speaker 10: they were coming in to play Green Bay, and I,

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Speaker 10: you know, I think they were the favorite.

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Speaker 9: I was looking forward to that game, but.

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Speaker 10: Watching Jerry watch that game, I mean that family got

526
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Speaker 10: shell shocked that game. There's no doubt Jerry was quiet

527
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Speaker 10: and intense as he was watching what felt like a

528
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Speaker 10: very good chance for hopefully a playoff run kind of

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Speaker 10: crumble in front of him. And there was no doubt.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it was like after that game. We had

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Speaker 10: been at Cowboys games after losses before. This one was different. Obviously,

532
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Speaker 10: it's the end of the season, so it carries that way,

533
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Speaker 10: but it just felt like this family had been through

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Speaker 10: oh very terrible experience watching watching Green Bay put up

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Speaker 10: the numbers that they did against against the Cowboys, And

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Speaker 10: no doubt Jerry said this loss hurt. It hurt on

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Speaker 10: so many different levels, is what he said. He said,

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Speaker 10: it hurt, It set us back, It was a financial pain.

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Speaker 10: It was a lot that he was talking about that

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Speaker 10: that loss in many ways. So yeah, I think it

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Speaker 10: is the worst loss he ever experienced.

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Speaker 2: Does Jerry care too much?

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Speaker 9: That's interesting?

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Speaker 10: I think that Again, I wasn't a fan, so I

545
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Speaker 10: know the thirty years that it's been, you know, conceptually,

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Speaker 10: but I don't quite feel it as a fan, So

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Speaker 10: I don't quite know what that pain feels like. But

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Speaker 10: the one thing that sometimes I would read that I

549
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Speaker 10: just personally disagreed with was like that Jerry doesn't want

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Speaker 10: to win. It's like all this family wants is one

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Speaker 10: more super Bowl for Jerry, Like they really like. My

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Speaker 10: experience just being around them is like, Yes, this is

553
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Speaker 10: a tremendously successful franchise. Off field, they do the brand building,

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Speaker 10: they do the people talking about the team incredibly incredibly well.

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Speaker 10: But at the end of the at the end of

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Speaker 10: the day, I think that they are starting to get

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Speaker 10: that sense of urgency that listen and I think even

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Speaker 10: Charlotte says it's in the documentary. We don't have a

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Speaker 10: lot of those next seasons. Well, there's always next seasons

560
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Speaker 10: because their dad is getting older and older. And I

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Speaker 10: think more than anything, what this family wants for Jerry

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Speaker 10: is one more super Bowl, and I think Jerry certainly

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Speaker 10: wants that to.

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Speaker 2: Being around him, knowing what's going on with Michaeh Parsons,

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Speaker 2: your sense is what my sense.

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Speaker 10: Is that Jerry is like very comfortable in these situations.

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Speaker 10: And I don't know if that's a good thing or

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Speaker 10: a bad thing. I think for probably Cowboys fans it's

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Speaker 10: it's not a good thing.

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Speaker 9: But I don't think.

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Speaker 10: That he sweats in these situations, which I think normally

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Speaker 10: motivates most people to be like, all right, I gotta

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Speaker 10: go sign one of my star players to a long

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Speaker 10: term contract and lock him up early. And for some reason,

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Speaker 10: Jerry doesn't quite feel that ert that that that, you know,

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Speaker 10: he even says it. He's like, I'm comfortable being uncomfortable.

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Speaker 10: I'm comfortable with ambiguity, you know, And so it was

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Speaker 10: it was an interesting process I to to see him

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Speaker 10: be like that.

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Speaker 9: So I I don't know why he.

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Speaker 10: Necessarily does these things the way he does, or maybe

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Speaker 10: there's more information I don't know. Maybe maybe there's things

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Speaker 10: on MICA's team that they're not responding to or doing.

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Speaker 10: I don't know enough about it, but I know that

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Speaker 10: Jerry is very comfortable in these situations, which doesn't make

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Speaker 10: me think that things are going to change necessarily.

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Speaker 2: What's the next documentary with you and your brother? Oh?

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Speaker 10: Actually we don't know. Actually we're gonna take a little

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Speaker 10: time off. We had a three part doc that came

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Speaker 10: out in December of this last year that took us

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Speaker 10: a while, and then this was an eight parter. So

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Speaker 10: we do do the untold series on Netflix. We'll probably

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Speaker 10: jump back in and do a little bit more hands

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Speaker 10: on producing there, which we're really excited about.

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Speaker 9: But right now we don't we don't have anything in

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Speaker 9: the hopper.

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Speaker 10: We're gonna take a little time off and then try

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Speaker 10: and tackle something hopefully is big. But this one was

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Speaker 10: This one was tremendously fun. I mean, it was the

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Speaker 10: first football documentary we made. I absolutely fell in love

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Speaker 10: with the sport and just following the Cowboys around and

602
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Speaker 10: really getting to meet these guys, Troy m and Michael, Dion, Barry, Jimmy,

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Speaker 10: they were all just phenomenal, phenomenal interviews.

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Speaker 2: Congrats to you and your brother, great stuff and good

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Speaker 2: luck with the documentary.

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Speaker 9: Awesome, Thanks so much for having me on Den.

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Speaker 2: producer of the new documentary on Netflix, America's Team The

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Speaker 2: Gambler and He's Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: all right. When you look at these quarterbacks, Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson, how do you how do you pick somebody

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Speaker 2: to be your starter out of those two? Like, what

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Speaker 2: would be the deciding factor here?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: I mean, look, if you're going with pure athleticism, it

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Speaker 12: would be Anthony Richardson. But I think what Shane Steiken,

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Speaker 12: at least what I read and have seen, has.

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Speaker 11: Been looking for.

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Speaker 12: It's someone who can run the huddle, who can get

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Speaker 12: it in and out of the huddle, who can get

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Speaker 12: us into the right place at the right time, who

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Speaker 12: knows how to fix protections, who knows you know when

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Speaker 12: to check to a go route versus slant round. I'm

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Speaker 12: not saying Anthony Richardson can't do that, but it's an

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Speaker 12: all encompassing thing.

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Speaker 11: And that's what quarterbacks is.

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Speaker 12: It's not just hey, go out there, throw a bomb

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Speaker 12: seventy yards down the field like Anthony Richardson we've seen

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Speaker 12: him do, and you're completing forty something percent.

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Speaker 11: Of your passes. I think that's sort of what Shane Stiken.

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Speaker 12: I think that's what Chris Ballard sort of wants and look,

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Speaker 12: Daniel Jones has some athleticism, and I appreciate that, but

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Speaker 12: when you look at the whole thing, I actually love

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Speaker 12: the fact that they came out and they named Daniel

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Speaker 12: Jones the starter because it takes all the pressure off

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Speaker 12: Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson, if Daniel Jones struggles, he can

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Speaker 12: go in there, he can maybe provide a spark. And

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Speaker 12: I like to say this a lot because I've been

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Speaker 12: on the sideline a lot, right, I only started five

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Speaker 12: years in my career.

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Speaker 4: You get a different perspective.

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Speaker 12: From the sideline. You're able to see what is happening

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Speaker 12: in a different manner than you would be behind center.

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Speaker 12: And it's not only on the field, but it's also

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Speaker 12: in the classroom as well. How does Daniel Jones prepare?

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Speaker 12: How does Daniel Jones handle blitz? You do all this stuff?

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Speaker 12: And I think it's a great learning experience for Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 12: I mean, the talent is undeniable, he just hasn't been

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Speaker 12: able to put it together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder how long we wait before we move

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Speaker 2: on with quarterbacks, because it used to be you could

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Speaker 2: be drafted and you might sit for two years three

660
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Speaker 2: years back, you know, twenty five years ago. Now it

661
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Speaker 2: feels like, all right, we've seen two years maybe and

662
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Speaker 2: then maybe that's enough, whether it was Mitchell Trubisky or

663
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: you're looking at Trey Lance, or you're looking at Zach Wilson,

664
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Speaker 2: and we don't give you that much time anymore because

665
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: there's so many other quarterbacks that you can go. Why

666
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Speaker 2: don't we just you know, reset the clock and draft

667
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Speaker 2: another quarterback?

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Speaker 12: That's exactly right. And honestly, if you look at the

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty six class come out of college, it's a

670
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Speaker 12: really deep class. Reminds me of two years ago, like

671
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Speaker 12: with Jay and Daniels and Bonick. So I'm sure that

672
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Speaker 12: gms have their eyes on that, and they've already scouted.

673
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Speaker 12: There's could be possibly four to five to six quarterbacks

674
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Speaker 12: go in the first round. So I do think, you know,

675
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Speaker 12: signing Daniel Jones, he's not going to be I don't

676
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Speaker 12: think the future of.

677
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Speaker 11: The Indianapolis Scholts. I don't know if they're moving on yet.

678
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Speaker 12: I know Ballard personally, I've talked to him a little bit.

679
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 12: I think that they really want Anthony Richardson to work out,

680
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Speaker 12: but they don't have that time, because if they don't

681
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Speaker 12: win this year, Shane Steike in, Chris Ballard, they're probably gone.

682
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 12: So they have to figure out something. And that's something

683
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Speaker 12: I guess is Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I kind of look at the cold sign,

685
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: look at the Giants. If I'm ownership of the Giants

686
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Speaker 2: and I still believe in Brian Dable, then I have

687
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Speaker 2: to let him know that his job is safe, because

688
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: if his job is safe, then he's going to play

689
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart a little bit. If his job's not safe,

690
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: he's going to play Russell Wilson. And I don't think

691
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: that helps the bigger picture. But you've looked at Jackson

692
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Speaker 2: Dart the preseason. What do you see?

693
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Speaker 12: He's played excellent And I'm I'm of the camp, and

694
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Speaker 12: I might be the only people, especially outside of here

695
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Speaker 12: Giants fans, that say I think Jackson Dart needs to

696
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Speaker 12: play sooner rather than later. Let me break it down

697
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 12: for you. I like Russell Wilson, future Hall of Famer.

698
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 12: He lives right down the street from me.

699
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Speaker 11: I'm in car.

700
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Speaker 12: Drop off literally with Sierra today, dropping my kids off, like.

701
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Speaker 11: We go to school, like all that stuff.

702
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Speaker 12: But when Jackson Dart plays He's got something about him

703
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Speaker 12: that brings a little bit of a spark. You watch

704
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Speaker 12: these preseason games that he was playing in, and Brian

705
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 12: Daball is running a little bit of that Old Miss

706
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 12: style offense. You see that fake piss pitch toss like

707
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 12: middle route by the title, that was a play they

708
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 12: ran at Old Miss. You see this old this up

709
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 12: tempo style offense. I'm not saying Russell Wilson can't do this.

710
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 12: Jackson Darts a better athlete at right now and is

711
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Speaker 12: in his career than Russell Wilson.

712
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Speaker 11: But if you were Brian.

713
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 12: Daball and you are Joe Shane, if you don't play

714
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 12: Jackson Dart and you don't make the playoffs and you

715
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Speaker 12: ride with Russell Wilson.

716
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Speaker 11: Your jobs are gone in my opinion, Like I don't

717
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 11: think you make it through.

718
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Speaker 12: Whereas you play Jackson Dart early, and it's a brutal stretch.

719
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Speaker 12: Six of their first eight games are against playoff teams.

720
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Speaker 11: It's the hardest schedule in the NFL.

721
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Speaker 12: If you play Jackson Dart early, though, and you get

722
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Speaker 12: seven eight wins and you show some hope down the stretch,

723
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Speaker 12: you're going to keep your job.

724
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Speaker 11: I think that's how they need to proceed with this. Now.

725
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Speaker 12: I get it, you don't want to throw the rookie

726
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 12: in with all these crazy defenses that they have to face.

727
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Speaker 12: But the only way to play and to get gain

728
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 12: experience is guess what den you have to play, You

729
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 12: actually have to go out there and do it. And

730
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Speaker 12: so I think that's what they need to do with

731
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Speaker 12: Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times we'll just see highlights

733
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Speaker 2: or we'll read something, and then we'll take our opinion

734
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Speaker 2: from that. And I've specifically watched when Dylan Gabriel played,

735
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Speaker 2: and I watched when Shood or Sanders played because I

736
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: wanted to be to this situation instead of just taking

737
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Speaker 2: somebody's opinion on that. And granted it's my opinion, but

738
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Speaker 2: you know, that's what this show is based on. I'm

739
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Speaker 2: watching Dylan Gabriel and I saw good things with Dylan Gabriel.

740
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Speaker 2: I saw a tight end who should have you know,

741
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Speaker 2: got a pass and it ended up being intercepted. But

742
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Speaker 2: I don't know if we will grade him the same

743
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Speaker 2: way will grade Shador Sanders. You looked at both of them,

744
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Speaker 2: what did you take away from their performances?

745
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Speaker 12: I couldn't agree more with you. I think you're right

746
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 12: on Dan. And when you look at Shador and you

747
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 12: look at the first game, he was electric. I mean

748
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Speaker 12: it really was.

749
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Speaker 11: He made some throws, he missed them throws.

750
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Speaker 12: His first throw in the NFL right was a five

751
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 12: hundred miles per hour slant route that went.

752
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Speaker 11: Right through the guys because he was jacked up.

753
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Speaker 12: And he was ready, and that's normal, and I think

754
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Speaker 12: we need to normalize this. But he gets so much

755
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 12: fanfare for other reasons that I think that we grade

756
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Speaker 12: him on a different scale. And then when you look

757
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Speaker 12: at what Dylan Gabriel did the whole first drive and

758
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 12: really of the game was really, really good. Now you

759
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 12: make two mistakes, and I think the handoff, based on

760
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Speaker 12: what I saw and what I know of the play

761
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Speaker 12: they were running, I put that more in the running back.

762
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Speaker 12: He was a little wide on his track. And then

763
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Speaker 12: you look at the interception. You have two receivers literally

764
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Speaker 12: in the same spot and he throws it in the

765
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Speaker 12: middle of him, and I'm like, Okay, that's probably the

766
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Speaker 12: mistake that you want to just eat and say, hey,

767
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Speaker 12: just continue on the run. He stopped in the pocket

768
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Speaker 12: going out to his left. He should have continued on

769
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Speaker 12: the run or just dirt it live to fight another down.

770
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Speaker 12: But there's some outside pressure on him to play well

771
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Speaker 12: and he wants to make every throw and he's more

772
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Speaker 12: of the short intermediate throw.

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Speaker 11: But he was excellent.

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Speaker 12: He was on rhythm, he was in rhythm, he was

775
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Speaker 12: on time, he was pinpoint accuracy, and it was I

776
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Speaker 12: thought it was a good start for them. But if

777
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Speaker 12: you look at the stats, which I don't love to do,

778
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 12: you're gonna be like, oh man, he is out two turnovers.

779
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Speaker 11: He led to thirteen points. I thought it was a

780
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Speaker 11: pretty good start. Maybe I'm the minority on it.

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Speaker 2: He's Chased Daniel cohost the athletics Scoop City and it's

782
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Speaker 2: a podcast also the Chase Daniels Show on YouTube. Speaking

783
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Speaker 2: of putting it in the dirt, Joe Burrow still taking

784
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Speaker 2: hits in preseason.

785
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Speaker 11: What are you doing?

786
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Speaker 9: Why?

787
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Speaker 2: Why? I don't know.

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Speaker 11: I don't know. And I saw that and everyone saw

789
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 11: Buck was like, just it's August, Joe, throw it away.

790
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Speaker 11: You know, I was laughing, but like, what are you doing?

791
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Speaker 12: You're the franchise, Like if you go down with his

792
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 12: injury history, I get it. I do love the fact

793
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 12: that the head coach there is playing the starters.

794
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Speaker 11: He's taking the Andy Reid approach.

795
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Speaker 12: Zach Taylor is they haven't played in a long time

796
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Speaker 12: in the preseason, and if you look at their record

797
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Speaker 12: in the first two weeks of the season since Zach

798
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Speaker 12: Taylor has been the head coach, they're one and eleven

799
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Speaker 12: and that is awful.

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Speaker 11: Like they just don't start fast.

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Speaker 12: I think that playing and I was with the Andy

802
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 12: Reid tree and even Sean Payton, he played some of

803
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Speaker 12: the starters in the preseason to sort of get the

804
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Speaker 12: juices Slowan I would say to Joe, like, you don't

805
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 12: need to take the hit to get the juices lawn.

806
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 12: But he has three drives this preseason and three touchdowns.

807
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 12: They're gonna be just fine if they can figure out

808
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 12: what the heck is going on with Trey Hendrickson and

809
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 12: that defense.

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Speaker 2: The Matthew Stafford situation, it was a curiosity. Now it

811
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Speaker 2: feels like it's a concern. It's a back issue at

812
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Speaker 2: that position. What do you think, how would you handicap this?

813
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Speaker 11: Look?

814
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Speaker 12: I know Matthew Stafford well grew up in the same

815
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 12: area in Dallas and played with him in twenty twenty.

816
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Speaker 12: He's one of the strongest and toughest dudes that I've

817
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 12: ever met. When it comes to injury, there's always seems

818
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 12: to be a nagging elbow or an ankle that just

819
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 12: isn't right, or a right shoulder, or just just always something.

820
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Speaker 12: And it's just cause he's getting old like me. He's

821
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Speaker 12: my age, right, we're thirty eight, almost thirty nine. It's

822
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Speaker 12: hard to play quarterback in the league. But when you

823
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Speaker 12: get with a back injury, and you have a back injury,

824
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Speaker 12: it's a little bit different because of the type of

825
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 12: thrower of the football he is. He's not an arm thrower,

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Speaker 12: which means, hey, you just put all your stress on

827
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Speaker 12: the arm and that's all that matters, and that's all

828
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Speaker 12: it takes. You are really turning and you're really much

829
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Speaker 12: of a core thrower, so you're torquing your body.

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Speaker 11: And he has such good mechanics.

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Speaker 12: He goes to Tomhouse, to guru who worked with Drew Brees

832
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 12: and Tom Brady. He's consistently working and perfecting his craft.

833
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Speaker 12: But those type of throwers, right, I don't know if

834
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 12: you've dealt with any back pain. I have a little

835
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 12: bit it like it just the finest of torque on

836
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 12: the shoulder or that leads down to the neck that

837
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 12: then connects. Everything's connected, and it's really difficult. I'm gonna

838
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 12: be interested to see how he throws the football if

839
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 12: he has the same amount of zip on it. But ultimately,

840
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 12: like the dude's an iron man. He rarely misses games.

841
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 12: I think eventually he'll be fine. It doesn't help that

842
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 12: he missed him camp though.

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Speaker 2: Would you rather have Joe Flacco's career or Philip Rivers?

844
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Speaker 12: Oh my gosh, where did this question come from?

845
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 11: Look, Phillips was great.

846
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Speaker 12: I feel like Philip never won the big game, right,

847
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 12: like he always had these winning season that the playoffs

848
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 12: always got from him. I'd probably go Joe Flacco because

849
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Speaker 12: the dude just doesn't die. Like he's just continuing to play.

850
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Speaker 12: He's a starting quarterback, he's forty something years old. He's

851
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Speaker 12: got a chance to do it again.

852
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Speaker 11: I actually played golf.

853
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Speaker 12: With him a couple months ago in a tournament here

854
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 12: in Orange County, and you never.

855
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Speaker 11: Know, like, like obviously, other than the size, like he

856
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 11: is just a normal dude. Like it was awesome. He's

857
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Speaker 11: like talking about his kids.

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Speaker 12: He has his crew of kids who are like sixteen

859
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 12: years old, just like running around, falling around.

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Speaker 11: It just looks like a normal dude.

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Speaker 12: And I'm like, bro, are you playing He's like, I

862
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 12: don't know, I think so, but you know, it's just

863
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Speaker 12: like one of those.

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Speaker 11: Things where it's really cool. He's just he's just shugging

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Speaker 11: along man.

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Speaker 3: Yuh.

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Speaker 2: And there's something to be said for that that it

868
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: was never too high, never too low, never too big

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Speaker 2: for him. He just kinda I mean, you're two years

870
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Speaker 2: younger than him.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, which is crazy. It's it's nuts. I mean, he's

872
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Speaker 11: he just continues to do it. And I wouldn't be

873
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Speaker 11: surprised if he plays well.

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Speaker 12: I mean, you saw what he did in twenty twenty

875
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Speaker 12: three with Kevin Savanski before and one down the stretch, right,

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Speaker 12: he didn't play very well last year.

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Speaker 11: But it's gonna be a tough division to do. I

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Speaker 11: just don't know.

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Speaker 12: Like I'm of the I'm of the thinking right, like,

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Speaker 12: I think it's smart to play Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 11: What's gonna happen to Can he pick it? I don't know.

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Speaker 12: But you got those two rookies, Like I'm of the

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Speaker 12: camp of like you need to play one of the

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Speaker 12: rookies because you need to see what you have going

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Speaker 12: forward if any of them are the answer. Based on

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Speaker 12: the twenty twenty six draft class, which Cleveland has two

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Speaker 12: first round picks at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my only concern with Dylan Gabriel and Shudeur Sanders

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Speaker 2: is will you give them enough of a runway that

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Speaker 2: you can find out if they play before you go?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Let's use these two first round picks

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Speaker 2: and move up and get a franchise quarterback. That would

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Speaker 2: be the only concern that I would have that they

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Speaker 2: get a fair shake to prove that they can play

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, and I think I think that would

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Speaker 12: be eight to ten games. So what Flacco gets six games?

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Speaker 12: Seven games to prove Hey, if they're if they're two

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Speaker 12: and five through seven, like, do you make the switch?

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Speaker 11: Probably if you're five.

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Speaker 12: And two, No, And then you're rolling with Flacco because

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Speaker 12: Kevin SEVANSI you don't two time coach to you don't

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Speaker 12: think he wants.

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Speaker 11: To lose his job.

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Speaker 12: I don't think he's going to lose his job. But

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Speaker 12: if stuff, you know, crazier things have happened. I just

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Speaker 12: it's a it's a really precarious situation that they've sort

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Speaker 12: of put themselves into.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again, Thank you, Thanks Dan.

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Speaker 2: That's Chase Daniel, co host of the Athletics Scoop City

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Speaker 2: podcast and The Chase Daniels Show on YouTube.