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Speaker 1: The Charlie kirkshow starts.

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Speaker 2: Now, so see this, white women with at least a

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Speaker 3: Give you an example here is that DEI question right

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Speaker 2: About in We had two big statements we read to

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Speaker 2: voters basically, do you want to continue DEI programs or

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Speaker 2: do you think they should be ended? And again, look

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Speaker 2: at this divide here, white men no degree ended, white

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Speaker 3: And it they say, white women no degree?

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Speaker 2: And did they say by double digits, and then white

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Speaker 3: They say to continue, deem. We found something we've never

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Speaker 3: found before in more than thirty years of this poll.

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Speaker 3: What you're looking at here is.

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Speaker 4: The image of each political party, the Democrats and the Republicans.

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Speaker 3: And look at this this blue it's the.

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Speaker 4: Democrats minus twenty eight percent.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean. It means that when we ask if.

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Speaker 4: You have a positive or negative view of the party,

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Speaker 4: just twenty seven percent of voters say they have a

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Speaker 4: positive image of the Democratic Party. Fifty five percent say

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Speaker 4: they think of the Democratic Party negatively. That's negative twenty

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Speaker 4: eight points. This is the trend line going back thirty years.

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Speaker 4: You can see neither party has ever come anywhere near

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Speaker 3: It's falling off a cliff that number had for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Since the elections, the percentage of conspiracy theorists who believe

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Speaker 5: United States government's involved in the JFK assassination has gone

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Speaker 5: up all over the past ten years.

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Speaker 3: It is now the plorality leader can character the conspiracy years.

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Speaker 6: I think just that think it was someone, Hey, maybe

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Speaker 3: That's actually down from forty percent to twenty nine percent.

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Speaker 6: And the overall number of folks who believe in the

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Speaker 6: conspiracy theory that they had kay with Cope by more

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Speaker 5: Kennedy was determined to scale down the war in Vietnam

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Speaker 5: their own course. Well, many in Washington were more interested

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Speaker 5: in confronting Soviet communism wherever its surface, propping up dictators

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Speaker 5: and authorizing assassinations and regime change on Flaien soil. Kennedy

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Speaker 5: was on a collision course with the intelligence agencies who.

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Speaker 3: Regarded him as a trader.

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Speaker 5: Something came to a head that day in Dallas in

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Speaker 5: nineteen sixty three, and there's still confusion over whether the

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Speaker 5: bullet entered this way or that and the intel agents

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Speaker 5: Another one of these new files released in the document

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Speaker 5: DUB was a memo by Kennedy and Arthur Slessinger bashing

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Speaker 5: the CIA after the failed Cuban PIO. Schlessinger warned about

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Speaker 5: possesses many of the characteristics of a state within a state.

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Speaker 3: After the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy.

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Speaker 5: And kruse Chef came this close to nuclear armageddon, and

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Speaker 3: The world would look a lot different.

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Speaker 5: The theory is that Oswald didn't defect to the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 3: He was sent there as.

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Speaker 5: A CIA cutout, an assassin who was sheep dipped into

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Speaker 5: these new documents bolster of theory that the CIA created

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Speaker 5: a paper trail at both the Soviet and Cuban embassies

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Speaker 4: The Preme Court would agree that the President has the

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Speaker 5: Our for the fact that Democrats want to die on

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Speaker 7: Power to them.

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Speaker 4: And the problem he has with this guy is nothing's

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Speaker 1: Nobody compares to anybody to Hitler.

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Speaker 7: But the fact is that Code is not accepting it.

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Speaker 2: On the phone yesterday, I will not stop being an aggressor.

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Speaker 1: I am the aggressor, got it.

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Speaker 8: I'm the one gobbling up a little country next door.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: And I got my.

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Speaker 9: On the Baltic States and made me pulland I got

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Speaker 1: So why would I stop here?

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Speaker 10: But again, the terrain has shifted too much.

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Speaker 9: Since November twenty twenty four, and I do fear democrats

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Speaker 9: are kind of caught fighting the last war. But again,

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Speaker 9: just does seem that now is the time for to

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Speaker 11: Every day is a battle for your mind, raging information

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Speaker 11: coming from every angle, but the will to deceive. I

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Speaker 11: fear not you found the place for truth, the voice

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Speaker 11: of a generation that still has the will to believe

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Speaker 11: in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck alp. Here we go.

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Speaker 8: Hello everybody at radio stations across the country.

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Speaker 7: Honor to be with you.

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Speaker 7: Today.

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Speaker 8: Momentarily, imminently, right around the corner, President Donald Trump will

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Speaker 8: be signing an executive order, a major executive order, to

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Speaker 8: keep one of his campaign promises, one that we care

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Speaker 8: about deeply here on The Charliekirkshow, which is the abolishment,

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Speaker 8: the abolition, the elimination of the Department of Education. The

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Speaker 8: Department Education was created in a nineteen seventies under President

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Speaker 8: the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. Now, I think

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Speaker 8: that is worthy of a little bit of a pause.

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Speaker 8: That means we were able to send a man to

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Speaker 8: the moon when two world wars, become an industrial superpower,

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Speaker 8: middle class, have a well read, well grounded citizenry. Without

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Speaker 7: How were we able to do that well?

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Speaker 8: For most of America, education happened between parent and child,

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Speaker 8: it was local, local, local, Because education is the most

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Speaker 8: personal of all the things. It happens in the soul

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Speaker 8: I go to college campuses, they can't tell me what

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Speaker 8: We went from an education system that would explore eternal truth,

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Speaker 8: this idea of historicism, coupled with historicism, which is an

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Speaker 7: It is Hegelian in nature.

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Speaker 8: Was this idea of the administrative approach to education. This

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Speaker 8: They wanted the centralization of education. That no longer should

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Speaker 8: parents be in charge of education, no longer should churches

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Speaker 8: or synagogues or communities. But we need to prepare students

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Speaker 7: Now every time I hear a.

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Speaker 8: create the best workers of the future. I cringe. That

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Speaker 8: of answering life's deeper questions. You see, if you create

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Speaker 8: gone down, often dramatically. For decades, Republicans have promised rhetorically

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Speaker 8: The Department Education need its own civil rights office, why

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Speaker 7: Okay, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 7: Everybody, Welcome back.

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Speaker 8: Everybody Email us freedom at Charliekirk dot com. This is

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Speaker 8: from the great doctor Larry Arn from America's greatest college,

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Speaker 8: Hillsdale College, which, by the way, do you know Hillsdale

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Speaker 7: Do not?

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Speaker 8: Almost all of your local alma maters receive federal student loans.

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Speaker 8: It's one of the reasons why they're America's greatest college.

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Speaker 8: According to doctor Larry Arn, there are twenty three million

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Speaker 8: and local. Eleven million of them were in education, eleven

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Speaker 8: most fundamentally, is that we have become a bloated, overweight country,

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Speaker 8: All of the extra money that District two to fourteen

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Speaker 7: And some of them were nice, wonderful people.

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Speaker 8: It's not an indictment in them, but their role is

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Speaker 8: We cannot meet basic standards. Only sixty one percent of

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Speaker 8: They are harming our kids. They are poisoning them with

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Speaker 7: Eliminating the Department.

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Speaker 14: Back to this Real America's Voice newsbreak. I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 14: President Trump expected to sign an executive order today abolishing

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Speaker 10: Courts, which is that's a proper place to be.

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Speaker 14: April second is Liberation Day in America. He writes that post,

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Speaker 8: the dean of the Van Andel Graduate School of Statesmanship

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Speaker 8: and the Charles and Lusha Shipley Chair in American Constitution

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Speaker 8: at Hillsdale College, Doctor Ronald J. Pastrido, Doctor, Welcome to

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Speaker 13: Thanks for that. Welcome, Charlie.

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Speaker 8: It's good to see you, absolutely, and I am a

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Speaker 8: student of yours, both in person and remotely through the

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Speaker 8: Hillsdale Online courses at the Claremont Institute. I loved your

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Speaker 8: course on the federalist papers, so there's to discuss here.

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Speaker 8: I would love to get your historical take on injunctions.

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Speaker 8: When did they come about? How should we think from

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Speaker 8: a constitutional perspective? The oh, the very rapid use of

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Speaker 8: nationwide district court injunctions.

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Speaker 17: Well, there's a little bit of recent history on this actually,

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Speaker 17: and to be honest, I think Republicans have to look

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Speaker 17: was not able to get its program through the Congress.

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Speaker 17: They decided to go very aggressive with administrative power, and

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Speaker 17: the Republicans at that time, instead of using the powers

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Speaker 17: especially through the budget process.

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Speaker 13: The power of the purse.

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Speaker 17: Instead, the Republicans ran from that and decided to go

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Speaker 17: crying to the courts, and they took the Obama administration

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Speaker 17: to the courts. Now, that's been a practice in both

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Speaker 17: But it's really a practice that unfortunately, probably even Republicans

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Speaker 8: And so it seems as if the growth of this

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Speaker 8: Does a district court judge have any jurisdiction over foreign

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Speaker 8: policy decisions made by a president?

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Speaker 13: No, he does not.

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Speaker 17: And the federal courts have been, including the Supreme Court, historically,

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Speaker 17: have been very very reluctant to involve themselves in any

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Speaker 17: powers of the executive under Article two. And so that's

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Speaker 17: why some of the some of the taken by some

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Speaker 13: State to to disperse.

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Speaker 17: Funds even while they're just taking a pause, you know,

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Speaker 17: the two billion dollar UH funding order that we had

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Speaker 13: These things are typically.

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Speaker 17: Way out of out of bounds for federal courts, and

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Speaker 17: you know, I have to say, I do think that

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Speaker 17: a good amount of this will ultimately end up being

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Speaker 17: reversed at the Supreme Court level or at the you know,

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Speaker 17: the higher court level. But the question is how long

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Speaker 17: harm to our country is going to be done while

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Speaker 17: we wait for the Supreme Court to uh, you know,

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Speaker 17: to get to get into the to the ring. You know,

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Speaker 17: we heard Chief Justice Yeah, I'm sorry, turn.

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, no, no, please? We heard Chief Justice what

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Speaker 17: We heard Chief Justice Roberts come out just recently and uh,

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Speaker 17: you know, make the case of hey, the ippeachment is

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Speaker 17: int appropriate kind of language to use. The appellate process

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Speaker 17: court judges. And in one sense he's right about that.

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Speaker 17: But if his own court is going to be so

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Speaker 17: is almost setting setting the situation up for this kind

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Speaker 17: Court level, and these are the the courts of appeal

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Speaker 17: and where most of these cases are being brought, and

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Speaker 17: they're being brought here for obvious reason. They're being brought

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Speaker 17: in the District of Columbia and the appeals court in

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Speaker 17: the District of Columbia. The federal Appeals Court is the

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Speaker 17: one that was notoriously stacked with Democrats by Harry Reid.

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Speaker 17: And so it's not as if once these district court

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Speaker 17: so these are really matters that should be in front

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Speaker 17: of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court should be poleasing this.

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Speaker 17: You saw four justices in the case on the Usaid

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Speaker 17: So it'll be a matter of when the Supreme Court

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Speaker 17: wants to get involved.

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Speaker 8: So does the lower court judges that are making these decisions.

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Speaker 8: They seem to have a little bit of an arrogance

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Speaker 8: and get it, you know, an angry judgment, but they

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Speaker 8: don't really cares. That's what's so disappointing is the naked

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Speaker 8: partisanship here is deep down I think these district court

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Speaker 8: judges know they're acting improperly, but they but they justify

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Speaker 8: it because Trump is so bad and we have to

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Speaker 8: do what we possibly can to stop him. Is there

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Speaker 8: any recourse that can be delivered against these rogue decisions.

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Speaker 17: Well, I think ultimately the most likely recourse is they're

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Speaker 17: being overturned by a higher court, and especially by the

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Speaker 17: Supreme Court. That's the most likely. Now, you know, we

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Speaker 17: have heard talk of impeachment, and I'm certainly not not

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Speaker 17: opposed to impeachment for judges who who knowingly betray their

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Speaker 17: judicial duty. The problem is it's simply not a realistic remedy.

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Speaker 17: Impeachment requires there's, you know, a super majority vote in

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Speaker 17: the Senate that is simply never going to happen. And

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Speaker 17: so you know, it's just to my mind, not a

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Speaker 17: not a very practical remedy. And you know, the leftists

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Speaker 17: know this. They they know how to judge shop. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 17: the Republican lawyers when President Obama and President Biden were

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Speaker 17: in office, they knew how to judge shop as well.

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Speaker 17: It's very easy to do at the district court level.

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Speaker 17: There are ninety some odd district courts and you only

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Speaker 17: need to win in one of them, right, that's the

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Speaker 17: that's the great problem with a lot of these universal

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Speaker 17: injunctions is you can go to district court to district

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Speaker 17: court to district court and lose, lose, lose, and then

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Speaker 17: if you find just one district court judge who's willing

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Speaker 13: The government, then that's it.

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Speaker 17: They only have to go for one out of ninety

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Speaker 17: four essentially, And it's that's not it's not hard to do.

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Speaker 17: It's like it's like getting an indictment, you know, a

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Speaker 17: prosecutor getting an indictment, you and indict a hand sandwich

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Speaker 17: and getting an injunction and.

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Speaker 13: District court, especially in DC.

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Speaker 17: If you can't do that and you're a Democratic attorney,

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Speaker 8: And that's so disappointing for the Republic and bad for

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Speaker 8: the country. So another big case happening right now is

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Speaker 8: that Trump has fired two members of the FTC, which

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Speaker 8: Democrats are claiming is illegal. Can you explain the case

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Speaker 8: of Humphreys Executor to our listeners?

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Speaker 17: You bet, And in one sense it is illegal under

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Speaker 17: existing Supreme Court president under the Humphreys Executor president from

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Speaker 17: nineteen thirty five that you just named. And of course

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Speaker 17: that the very reason that they have decided to go

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Speaker 17: after these officers from the FTC is they know that

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Speaker 17: that will put the question squarely before the Supreme Court

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Speaker 17: of the United States. It's the case so of Humphrey's

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Speaker 17: Executor was about the question of whether or not Congress

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Speaker 17: could create an agency like the FTC but protect it

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Speaker 17: being allowed to remove the commissioners whenever he likes, and

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Speaker 17: that was challenged in the nineteen thirties. FDR tried to

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Speaker 17: remove mister Humphries, who was a pre New Deal commissioner,

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Speaker 17: and the Court came in and said, no, Congress can

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Speaker 17: when it wants to create independence for these agencies, it

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Speaker 17: can carve out a special zone of protection from presidential control.

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Speaker 17: And of course the obvious problem with that is, well,

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Speaker 17: where are they.

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Speaker 13: If they're not in the executive branch.

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Speaker 17: The president has the executive power according to our constitution,

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Speaker 17: and so if they're not controlled by the elected executive,

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Speaker 17: then by whom are they controlled? And so for years

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Speaker 17: anew at the Humphreys executor precedent. And the good news

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Speaker 17: is it's pretty clear if you follow the jurisprudence over

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Speaker 17: the unit so called unitary understanding of the executive that

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Speaker 17: I'm describing. That the president has this power under Article too.

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Speaker 17: You can't limit his removal of executive branch officials this way.

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Speaker 17: Humphrey's executor, I've said many times, perhaps other than dred Scott,

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Speaker 17: is probably the worst decision in the history of the

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Speaker 17: Supreme Court in terms of its historical ignorance and constitutional incompetence.

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Speaker 17: So I think there's going to be a sympathetic audience.

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Speaker 17: Quite frankly, at the Supreme Court, they've gone just up

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Speaker 17: and the Trump administration they clearly know that, and so

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Speaker 17: they are trying to tee this up as best they can,

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Speaker 17: where even the more incrementalist justices on the cord are

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Speaker 17: they're going to have a hard time evading the issue.

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Speaker 13: I think.

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Speaker 8: really good supporters of our show Get out of Pain Today.

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Speaker 8: Email me Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. I want to

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Speaker 8: hear from you more with doctor Ronald Pastrito, author of

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Speaker 8: America Transformed from the Greatest college in America, Hillsdale College.

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Speaker 6: We'll be right back. Yeah, may not be saying much.

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Speaker 6: It's the Charlie Kirkshow.

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Speaker 7: Okay, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 8: Email us as always, Freedom at Charliekirk dot com and

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Speaker 8: TPUSA dot com tp usa dot com. We have more

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Speaker 8: with doctor Ronald Pastrido coming up after the break. We're

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Speaker 8: gonna talk about the progressive movement and how America has

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Speaker 7: Be right back. Okay, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 8: Email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com and subscribe to

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Speaker 8: our podcast. Doctor Pristrito continues us from the Great Hillsdale College,

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Speaker 8: author of America Transformed. Doctor tell us about your book.

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Speaker 17: Well, the book chronicles how we got to the place

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Speaker 17: that we currently are, So people might wonder, you know,

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Speaker 17: we were talking about the the FTC and the Humphreys

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Speaker 17: executive decision before the break, and you know people might wonder, well,

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Speaker 17: why is it that Congress would have wanted to kind

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Speaker 17: of wall off an agency and protect it and apparently

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Speaker 17: make it, make it unaccountable. And the story of how

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Speaker 17: that happened, and what a just incredible departure that is

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Speaker 17: from the original Republican vision of our of our founders

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Speaker 17: really goes through the progressive era, the original progressive era,

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Speaker 17: back to the likes of Woodrow Wilson especially, and also

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Speaker 17: folks like like Teddy Roosevelt. And so what I try

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Speaker 17: all of this, all of these developments today, these rogue agencies,

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Speaker 17: the fact that you have hundreds of thousands of people

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Speaker 17: governing us and they go on doing it regardless of election.

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Speaker 17: Elections come and go, and the administrative state just sort

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Speaker 13: That didn't that didn't just happen. It didn't you know.

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Speaker 17: It wasn't just in the last five years or ten years.

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Speaker 17: It's been a project underway in this country for a

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Speaker 17: of the nineteenth century. And so the book basically traces

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Speaker 17: the very different arguments about the purpose of government, the

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Speaker 17: the time of the founding has passed, and we've got

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Speaker 17: to get some new ideas. Here traces that into what

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Speaker 17: how the law changed, and how we ended up here

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Speaker 17: you and I today talking about you. Why can't the

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Speaker 13: How do we get here? And so the short version

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Speaker 8: Over the last one hundred years, power seems to have

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Speaker 8: concentrated in the unelected bureaucracy and the unelected judiciary, both

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Speaker 8: of what seemed to be the protectorate of progressivism and

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Speaker 8: the growth of the state. What would you say, is

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Speaker 8: what we now see today. Where did this come from?

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Speaker 8: What did Wilson? What did do we? What did these

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Speaker 17: Well, what they did, Charlie, was they imported a philosophy

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Speaker 17: of government that was a real novelty to America. You know,

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Speaker 17: founded on the principles of the Declaration of Independence. The

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Speaker 17: that individuals have, and government by consent of the governed

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Speaker 17: is the only legitimate form of government. Well, what the

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Speaker 17: progressives argued was that that was perhaps an appropriate way

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Speaker 17: the German state. Woodrow Wilson, for example, wrote very admiringly

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Speaker 17: wondered how we might bring that kind of government by expertise,

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Speaker 17: not government by consent, but government by expertise. Consent gets

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Speaker 17: in the way right, ordinary consent gets in the way

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Speaker 17: people have different opinions and they want their interests to

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Speaker 17: be respected much better. The progressives argued, if we could

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Speaker 17: often when when I'm doing this for longer than I

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Speaker 17: want to admit, and often when I used to bring

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Speaker 17: it up, your people's eyes would kind of glaze over,

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Speaker 17: you know, talking about the Germans and bureaucracy and state

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Speaker 17: theory and so on. Until we got COVID yep, until

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Speaker 17: we got told, until we got told basically that hey,

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Speaker 17: elected people should get out of the way. We need

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Speaker 17: the experts, we need to do whatever, you know, Tony

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Speaker 17: Fauci and his minions tell us, And all of a

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Speaker 17: sudden it became very real for people. And so that

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Speaker 8: Wonderful summary. We are out of time. Thank you, doctor Pastrida.

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Speaker 8: Everyone check out the book America Transformed and also take

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Speaker 8: the free online courses A Constitution twoh one by doctor

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Speaker 8: Pastrito at Charlie for Hillsdale dot Com.

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Speaker 7: Charlie for Hillsdale dot Com. Doctor, thanks so much, thanks

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Speaker 7: for having me on, Charlie.

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Speaker 13: Good to see you the.

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Speaker 8: Entire second hour with Roger Stone on the JFK Files.

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Speaker 7: Who buckle up, stay right.

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Speaker 14: There, Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break.

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Speaker 7: Cameron, good to see.

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Speaker 18: You, Great to see you. Thanks so much for having.

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Speaker 14: You said you work on IRS negotiations. There's this school

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Speaker 14: And what kinds of clients do you typically work with.

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Speaker 14: Are there any jobs that are too small, any returns

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Speaker 14: And how long does a process typically take, let's say,

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Speaker 18: But really the moment that we step in, we deal

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Speaker 14: One of the most brightening ideas when it comes to

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Speaker 14: also something that you can help clients with.

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Speaker 18: We fight back for you. So our team really does

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Speaker 18: we challenge the IRS using their own rules. Many times

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Speaker 14: Cameron Kinsey, we appreciate your time. TANUSA dot com slash rev.

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Speaker 7: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 8: Be here with us, all right, everybody, welcome back. Email

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Speaker 8: us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com. So we were waiting,

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Speaker 8: we were waiting, we were waiting.

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Speaker 7: We're waiting for the.

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Speaker 8: JFK files, eighty thousand of them. I no, I did

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Speaker 7: What's really going on here.

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Speaker 8: For the full hour, we have the legendary Roger Stone,

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Speaker 8: and we're going to take our time here and go

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Speaker 8: through what have we learned from the files, what do

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Speaker 8: we know and the truth about who killed John Fitzgerald

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Speaker 8: Kennedy with us as Roger Stone.

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Speaker 7: Roger, welcome to the program early.

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Speaker 10: It's great to be with you.

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Speaker 16: Before we start, once again, I want to commend you

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Speaker 16: and turning point USA for the crucial role you played

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Speaker 16: in the greatest comeback in American political history, the smashing

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Speaker 16: victory of President Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: Well, thank you, Roger.

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Speaker 8: It was a team effort, and thank you for never

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Speaker 8: leaving the President's side and for fighting, fighting, fighting, all

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Speaker 8: the way through. So Roger, let's start with the most

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Speaker 8: immediate news and then we can kind of go back

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Speaker 8: in time.

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Speaker 7: What did we learn from this? JFK. Fildom.

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Speaker 16: I think the one thing we learned is that the

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Speaker 16: Central Intelligence Agency has dissembled in the past about their

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Speaker 16: knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald, at least his existence. We've

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Speaker 16: learned that they knew he was not a good shot.

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Speaker 16: I don't believe that he is the shooter from the

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Speaker 16: sixth floor of the Texas school Book Depository building.

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Speaker 10: But again, these.

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Speaker 16: Documents have been in government hands for sixty two plus years,

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Speaker 16: in other words, plenty of time to sanitize them. A

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Speaker 16: number of Congressman, like Tim Bushitt from Tennessee, suggested early

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Speaker 16: on that the President broaden his disclosure order to include

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Speaker 16: every agency, not narrow it to the Kennedy assassination documents

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Speaker 16: archive that is controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency. So

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Speaker 16: we don't know if what we have seen is complete.

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Speaker 16: But what we do know is what we've seen so

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Speaker 16: far is inconclusive, other than to say it does confirm

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Speaker 16: that the Central Intelligence Agency had far earlier knowledge of Oswald,

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Speaker 16: and the documents we've seen so far tend to seek

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Speaker 16: to reinforce what I still believe is a false narrative

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Speaker 16: that Oswald shot Kennedy. If Lee Harvey Oswald shot John

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Speaker 16: Kennedy and he used a twenty six dollars World War

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Speaker 16: two vintage Italian Army carbine, why does he have no

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Speaker 16: powder burns on his chest, or his arms or his hands,

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Speaker 16: according to the test by the Dallas Police Department.

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Speaker 8: So let's just stay focused on the jail. And by

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Speaker 8: the way, I sympathize you one hundred percent. I've always

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Speaker 8: subscribed that this hot Oswald thing is nonsense. I think

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Speaker 8: they were more than one shooter, but I want to

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Speaker 8: get into that eventually. But just on the files, has

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Speaker 8: and I know this is a silly question, has anyone

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Speaker 8: actually gone through all of them as of our conversation now, Roger,

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's so much, it's so expansive. Has someone

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Speaker 8: now finally thoroughly read all of them?

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Speaker 16: Other than to say that you can find a rock

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Speaker 16: analysis of it, I think the answer is no. Also,

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Speaker 16: the search capability is limited, so in other words, if

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Speaker 16: you search by certain terms, it won't work. I don't

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Speaker 16: know a single person who has read all eighty thousand documents.

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Speaker 16: In fact, all eighty thousand documents haven't even yet been uploaded.

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Speaker 16: It was interesting that late in the day the day

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Speaker 16: of disclosure, of the day these were released, there were

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Speaker 16: reports that the Department of Justice was going to delay

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Speaker 16: the release based on purposes of national security. And then

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Speaker 16: I was glad to see that Tocy Gabbert, keeping the

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Speaker 16: president's promise, announced when the documents could be seen both

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Speaker 16: online and you can go to the National Archives and

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Speaker 16: see them in person, it's gonna make an appointment, I believe,

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Speaker 16: but for any American to see. So the President has

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Speaker 16: kept his promise. But what we don't know is whether

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Speaker 16: what is going to be released ultimately all eighty thousand

944
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Speaker 16: is in fact complete. I don't think any conclusion can

945
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Speaker 16: be drawn based on what we have seen, other than

946
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Speaker 16: the agency's knowledge regarding Oswald starts far earlier than they say.

947
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Speaker 16: Remember Charlie that the law mandating the release of these

948
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Speaker 16: Documents was passed in nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 10: The date set was twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 16: At that time, President Trump released about eighty percent of

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Speaker 16: the documents, and we learned of some amazing things there.

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Speaker 16: For example, we had the ten ninety nine from the

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Speaker 16: IRS to Lee Harvey Oswald for his time working for

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Speaker 16: the FBI as an informant. For example, we had a

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Speaker 16: memo from Jaggar Hoover, then the head of the FBI,

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Speaker 16: to President Lyndon Johnson saying that the KGBA, the Russian

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Speaker 16: and ten Eligence Agency, had conducted their own independent investigation

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Speaker 16: into Kennedy's assassination and they had concluded, as I did

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Speaker 16: in my twenty thirteen book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy,

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Speaker 16: The Case against LBJ, that Johnson was complicit in Kennedy's assassination.

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Speaker 16: So President Trump already released a number of really compelling

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Speaker 16: and interesting documents way back in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 10: He didn't release all of.

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Speaker 16: Them that time because Mike Pompeo, the CIA Director, asked

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Speaker 16: that twenty percent of the documents be held back. Those

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Speaker 16: are the documents that we are seeing now, in which

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Speaker 16: we will see more of shortly.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, so just so our audience understands that they're

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Speaker 8: still all being uploaded in real time?

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Speaker 7: Is that correct?

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Speaker 16: That this is a process that is correct, So all

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Speaker 16: eighty thousand or not out there. Therefore, it's impossible to

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Speaker 16: make a total judgment. There's a number of questions and

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Speaker 16: I've been posting them that just remained unanswered, and it

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Speaker 16: doesn't appear that we're going to get answers out of

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Speaker 16: out of these documents.

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Speaker 8: So do you think that there will be any documents

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Speaker 8: that will prove your hypothesis connecting it to LBJ And

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Speaker 8: if so, what would those what would that even look like?

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Speaker 16: No, because I think actually the documentation of that is

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Speaker 16: already established. For example, on the sixth floor of the

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Speaker 16: Texas school Book Depository building, we find the fingerprints of

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Speaker 16: a man named Malcolm mac Wallace there on both the

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Speaker 16: window and casement, and they're on the cardboard boxes that

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Speaker 16: formed the crow's nest from which the shooter allegedly shot.

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Speaker 16: We know that they are Wallace's fingerprints because Wallace was

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Speaker 16: arrested for first degree murder and tried and convicted.

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Speaker 10: In nineteen fifty one, he shot and.

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Speaker 16: Killed a man named John Douglas Kinser, who was black,

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Speaker 16: biling Lyndon Johnson. He was also an employee of the

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Speaker 16: US Agriculture Department in a patronage job arranged for him

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Speaker 16: by well.

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Speaker 10: Senator Lyndon Johnson.

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Speaker 16: We also know that six people saw a man in

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Speaker 16: the window of the Texas School Book Depository building who

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Speaker 16: met the physical description of Wallace, middle aged, heavy set,

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Speaker 16: baulding with glasses. Six different witnesses see a man who

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Speaker 16: meets that description, not the description of Lee Harvey Oswald.

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Speaker 16: And then, as you may know, just weeks ago, Alex

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Speaker 16: Jones released an audio tape that came from the grandson

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Speaker 16: of Billy Salestes. Billy sal Estes was a flamboyant Texas

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Speaker 16: wheeler dealer. There's Malcolm Wallace, who was a crony of

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Speaker 16: Johnson's went to prison for corruption. But the grandson released

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Speaker 16: an audio tape that is a conversation between Billy Salvesters

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Speaker 16: and Cliff Carter. Cliff Carter was the chief political operative

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Speaker 16: So is my assertion that Johnson portion of this is

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Speaker 16: pretty well proven.

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Speaker 10: There's a number of other elements. For example, both thought.

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Speaker 8: please continuing what you were saying.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, this, as you know, Charlie, the motivation for me

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Speaker 16: to write my book, The Man who Killed Kennedy the

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Speaker 16: case against WBJ, which, by the way, nothing we've seen

1074
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Speaker 16: so far distracts from or contradicts the conclusion that the

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Speaker 16: CIA is among those involved in the murder of Kennedy.

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Speaker 16: But I was working for former President Richard Nixon in

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Speaker 16: his post president two years. I've been brought in to

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Speaker 16: work on his schedule and do occasional political chores for him.

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Speaker 16: And he was, as you know, liked the good martini.

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Speaker 16: He was enormously prospective and not very retrospective. In other words,

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Speaker 16: it was very hard to get him to talk about

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Speaker 16: the past, about his relationship and friendship with John Kennedy,

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Speaker 16: or Dwight Eisenhower, or Nikita Krushchieff, or any of the

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Speaker 16: high points and low points of his career. But after

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Speaker 16: a couple of cocktails he would open up a bit.

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Speaker 16: And it was on one of those occasions that I said,

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Speaker 16: mister President, can I ask you a question? He said sure,

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Speaker 16: I said, who really killed John Kennedy? And he stared

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Speaker 16: into his martini for a few minutes. He looked up

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Speaker 16: at me and he said, well, let me say this,

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Speaker 16: The war and Commission was the biggest goddamn hoax in history.

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Speaker 16: So I'm sorry, sir, I understand what are you saying.

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Speaker 16: So let me put it to you this way. Lyndon and

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Speaker 16: I both wanted to be president, but I wasn't willing

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Speaker 16: to kill for it. It was that that motivated me

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Speaker 16: to go into five years of research to write my book,

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Speaker 16: in which I concluded that Johnson, who as the Senate

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Speaker 16: majority leader, took the very unusual step of appointing himself

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Speaker 16: to the Subcommittee of Defense Appropriations in the Senate where

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Speaker 16: the CIA's budget was secretly prepared their black box budget,

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Speaker 16: so Johnson was the paymaster for the CIA. Johnson had

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Speaker 16: also been receiving bribes from Carlos Marcello, the gangster who

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Speaker 16: ran gambling in Texas and Louisiana, and interestingly enough, the

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Speaker 16: man who passed those bribes to LBJA, man named Jack Halfer,

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Speaker 16: got a presidential pardon two days after Lyndon Johnson became

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Speaker 16: president and convicted on some unrelated charge. Johnson also obviously

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Speaker 16: was the water carrier for Big Texas Oil, so I

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Speaker 16: believe all of those entities had their own interests in

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Speaker 16: the removal of John Kennedy. In the case of the

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Speaker 16: Central Intelligence Agency, which is the focus of most of

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Speaker 16: these disclosures, there were two really two problems. One the

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Speaker 16: Bay of Pigs, which was the invasion of Cuba by

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Speaker 16: the United States that was designed to look like an

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Speaker 16: indigenous Cuban uprising. Now, the plan, which was born under

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Speaker 16: Eisenhower in a working group headed by Vice President Richard Nixon,

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Speaker 16: included air cover for the men storming the beaches that

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Speaker 16: was supposed to be supplied by twenty nine Panamanian flagged

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Speaker 16: fighter jets piloted by Cuban pilots. For reasons we do

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Speaker 16: not know, the CIA hanseled that the day before the invasion. Consequently,

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Speaker 16: the invasion was a fiasco. The men storming the beaches

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Speaker 16: in Cuba at the Bay of Pigs were cut to ribbons.

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Speaker 16: Curtis LeMay, the head of the US Air Force. At

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Speaker 16: that point, the Joint Chiefs went to JFK and said,

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Speaker 16: the only way to save the day here is to

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Speaker 16: send in the US Air Force. Kennedy refused because that

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Speaker 16: would have exposed that this was a US sponsored operation.

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Speaker 16: The CIA blamed Kennedy, Kennedy blamed the CIA, and then

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Speaker 16: there's a Cuban missile crisis. We've been told that Brave

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Speaker 16: Jack and Bobby Kennedy faced down to Kita Khrushchev, who

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Speaker 16: withdrew the missiles that he had stationed in Cuba, ninety

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Speaker 16: miles off our shore.

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Speaker 10: But Charlie, that's not true.

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Speaker 16: Forty years later, when documents were declassified.

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Speaker 10: We learned what the military knew in.

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Speaker 16: Real time, which was we removed our NATO mississ from

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Speaker 16: Italy and Turkey in return for an agreement with Khrushchev

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Speaker 16: to remove the missiles from Cuba. But that agreement had

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Speaker 16: no on site inspection. So there was deep distrust between

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Speaker 16: the CIA and President Kennedy, and therefore a motive. We

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Speaker 16: also know, and this can be quite well documented, that

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Speaker 16: the intelligence services and the Secret Service had learned that

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Speaker 16: John Kennedy had become addicted to meth and phetamine. He

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Speaker 16: was seeing doctor Max Jacobson of New York, who was

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Speaker 16: known also as Doctor feel Good. Doctor Jacobson was attending

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Speaker 16: many of the beautiful people of the day, Frank Sinatra,

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Speaker 16: the opera singer, Maria Calais, Pablo Cassal's, Leonard Bernstein, Nelson Rockefeller,

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Speaker 16: and he was injecting them with what they were told

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Speaker 16: was a proprietary blend of vitamins and enzymes that would

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Speaker 16: lift their energy. In fact, it was an early proprietary

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Speaker 16: blend of meth amphetamine.

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Speaker 10: If you look at the at the.

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Speaker 8: Hold that thought, manifest, hold that thought the book really quick, Roger,

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Speaker 8: what's the name the man who.

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Speaker 10: Fail Kennedy the case against LBJ.

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Speaker 7: Stay right there, be right back.

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Speaker 14: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 14: Terrence Bates. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy

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Speaker 14: Junior is taking aim at the dies that are in

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Speaker 14: many of the foods you eat.

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Speaker 15: We wanted the dies out of the The science on

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Speaker 15: the dies so overwhelming. They're making products now in this

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Speaker 15: country that have the dies and them like fruit loops,

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Speaker 15: for example, and you buy the same product in Canada

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Speaker 15: and it doesn't have the dies. Are the same product

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Speaker 15: in Europe and it doesn't have the dies. Well, we

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Speaker 15: are going to get rid of the GRASS standards for

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Speaker 15: new products. We're going to go back and review all

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Speaker 15: of these old ingredients to make sure that they are safe,

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Speaker 15: and we're going to encourage these companies to get rid

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Speaker 15: of them as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 14: GRASS GRS stands for Generally Recognized as Safe. Secretary Kennedy

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Speaker 14: says the standard was adopted in nineteen fifty eight and

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Speaker 14: has since been taken advantage of by the country's food industry.

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Speaker 14: He now plans to launch a review of food ingredients

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Speaker 14: that fall under the generally recognized the Safe Umbrella. The

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Speaker 14: Secretary also says standards ten thousand ingredients meet. That's or

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Speaker 14: it says that ten thousand ingredients, excuse me, meet that

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Speaker 14: standard here in the United States, compared to just four

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Speaker 14: hundred in Europe. Well, it is back to warren Gaza,

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Speaker 14: is Israeli forces are launching air strikes in Hamas just

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Speaker 14: launched its first post cease fire attack on Israel. Reports

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Speaker 14: out of Israel say the three rockets fired by Hamas

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Speaker 14: didn't cause any damage deaths.

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Speaker 3: In Gaza.

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Speaker 14: At least seventy people are said to be dead and

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Speaker 14: dozens more hurt following this latest bombing campaign in that

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Speaker 14: war torn region. Today's action comes just today after Israel

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Speaker 14: resumed ground operations in Gaza. Israel says the ground operations

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Speaker 14: are targeted and focused on expanding a buffer zone separating

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Speaker 14: the northern and southern halves of Gaza. Israel resumed its

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Speaker 14: attacks on Tuesday, saying that Hamas has been dragging its

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Speaker 14: feet in the next stage of this previously installed ceasefire

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Speaker 14: this morning, the terror group is calling the Israeli attacks

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Speaker 14: quote a new and dangerous violation of the two month

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Speaker 14: long ceasefire agreement. In a statement, Hamas claims that it

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Speaker 14: is committed to the ceasefire deal and is now calling

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Speaker 14: on mediators to get to work getting it reinstated. That's

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Speaker 14: a great check of your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 1: Speaking the truth. No one else has the guts to

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Speaker 8: to you in part by the Herzog Foundation. On the line, Roger,

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Speaker 8: you were saying something about a manifest.

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Speaker 16: Yes, what I'm trying to do here, Charlie, is to

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Speaker 16: demonstrate the motive of everyone who I believe is involved

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Speaker 16: in Kennedy's assassination. So to wrap that up, the Central

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Speaker 16: Intelligence acy is angry about the what they think is

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Speaker 16: the mishandling of the Bay of Pigs, the mishandling of

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Speaker 16: the Crecuban missile crisis, and they're concerned about John Kennedy

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Speaker 16: being attended by doctor Max Jacobson. If you look at

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Speaker 16: the manifest of those who travel to Vienna for the

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Speaker 16: summit conference with Krushchef, you'll find doctor Jacobson on that

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Speaker 16: manifest And in fact, he writes extensively in his own

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Speaker 16: book about injecting John F. Kennedy with this proprietary blend

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Speaker 16: of methamphetamine prior to his meeting with Krushcheff. So we've

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Speaker 16: established the Central Intelligence Agency's motive, a lot of which

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Speaker 16: I think is being confirmed in these documents. And then,

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Speaker 16: of course there's Big Texas oil. Kennedy wants to repeal

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Speaker 16: the oil depletion allowance. There's just so many unanswered questions.

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Speaker 16: For example, Malcolm Kilduff, the deputy press secretary for John Kennedy,

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Speaker 16: the man who announces to the press that Kennedy is dead.

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Speaker 16: Historic recording, he says in his memoirs that he's on

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Speaker 16: the elevator with the new president, Lyndon Johnson, immediately after

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Speaker 16: John Tinson has assumed the presidency, and he says to him,

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Speaker 16: mister President, who would do something so horrible? Who would

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Speaker 16: kill our president? And Johnson says it was a communist Son.

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Speaker 16: He says, what kind of communists, mister President? He said

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Speaker 16: it was a Russian communist son. There's only one problem,

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Speaker 16: Lee Harvey Oswald has not yet been apprehended. Another point,

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Speaker 16: the FBI under j. Go Hoover puts out a telex

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Speaker 16: to all the station chiefs in the United States saying

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Speaker 16: that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Russian communist has been apprehended,

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Speaker 16: but the tele ax goes out before Oswald has actually

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Speaker 16: been arrested in the theater in Dallas. Another unanswered question.

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Speaker 8: So, Roger, just in the interest of time, I do

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Speaker 8: have a question though, So you were close to Richard Nixon.

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Speaker 8: If Richard Nixon believed this, which I'm not doubting your story,

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Speaker 8: why didn't he then go public with it during Watergate

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Speaker 8: or in his post presidency because it very well could

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Speaker 8: have helped him while he became while he was being

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Speaker 8: transitioned into political exile.

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Speaker 16: You know, our mutual friend Tucker Carlson, I think, actually

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Speaker 16: illustrated this point very recently. He played an audio tape

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Speaker 16: that is a conversation between Richard Nixon and the CIA

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Speaker 16: director Richard Helms, in which he's beginning to pressure Helm

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Speaker 16: for help from the CIA in the encroaching Watergate scandal,

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Speaker 16: and he confronts him and says, you know, a lot

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Speaker 16: of Dirney business went on over there at the Agency.

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Speaker 16: A lot of things were covered up, and Helms plays, Donnis,

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about, mister President,

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Speaker 16: and Nixon says it right out right, right out loud.

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Speaker 10: He says, let me put it this way, I know

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Speaker 10: who shot John.

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Speaker 16: So the answer to your question, Charlie is I believe,

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Speaker 16: based on that recording and also on an interview I

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Speaker 16: did with General Alexander Haig, Nixon's last chief of staff,

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Speaker 16: that Nixon leveraged his knowledge of Kennedy's assassination and the

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Speaker 16: government's duplicity in it for the pardon, and as reported

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Speaker 16: by The New York Times, Gerald Ford, later president, but

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Speaker 16: at that time a member of the Warren Commission, at

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Speaker 16: the direction of Jagroar Hoover, the head of the FBI,

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Speaker 16: actually takes the autopsy diagram from Kennedy's doctor, erases the

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Speaker 16: markings that show a wound in Kennedy's upper back, and

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Speaker 16: moves it to his lower neck rear neck to accommodate

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Speaker 16: the so called single bullet theory. When the New York

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Speaker 16: Times asks President for then a former president, why he

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Speaker 16: did this, he said, well, the country needed closure. He

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Speaker 16: didn't say the country needed truth. He said the country

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Speaker 16: needed cloture. So I believe Nixon actually leveraged.

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Speaker 10: This knowledge, leveraged this information.

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Speaker 16: General Haig told me Nixon had them by the short hairs,

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Speaker 16: and he told them, if I'm going down, I'm taking

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Speaker 16: everyone with me.

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Speaker 8: So Roger, let's now go through the events on the

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Speaker 8: day that JFK was shot.

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Speaker 7: What happened that day specifically that was suspicious.

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Speaker 8: Out of the ordinary, and what in the cover up

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Speaker 8: or the investigation made people believe that there was something

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Speaker 8: here that was less than desirable.

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Speaker 16: Well, let's remember Kennedy is supposed to be going from

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Speaker 16: the airport to the merchandise dice mart outside of Dallas,

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Speaker 16: neither one of which is in the city limits. It

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Speaker 16: is John Connolly, then Governor of Texas, who insists that

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Speaker 16: the motorcade route go through Daily Plaza. So why did

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Speaker 16: they even go into the city to come back out

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Speaker 16: of the city.

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Speaker 18: Uh?

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Speaker 16: And Jerry Bruno, who is the chief advanceman for John F. Kennedy,

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Speaker 16: records in his book that he objected to the motorcade

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Speaker 16: route because it would have required and did require the

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Speaker 16: presidential limousine to come to a full stop at stop sign,

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Speaker 16: which of course is what made Kennedy target. Connolly insists

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Speaker 16: that if they don't take the motorreccade route as demanded

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Speaker 16: by the Governor of Texas, that the entire trip will

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Speaker 16: be scheduled. Secondarily, all of the buildings on both sides

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Speaker 16: of this of daily plot are supposed to be searched, emptied,

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Speaker 16: and sealed.

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Speaker 10: They aren't.

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Speaker 16: They're supposed to be multiple playing clothes secret Service agents

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Speaker 16: throughout the crowd.

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Speaker 10: There aren't.

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Speaker 16: There's supposed to be three motorcycle officers each abreast the

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Speaker 16: presidential limousine on each side. That not only are there

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Speaker 16: not six motorcycle cops is one and he's directed to

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Speaker 16: ride behind the presidential limousine. And then, of course there

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Speaker 16: is the question of Lyndon Johnson. The vice presidential limousine

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Speaker 16: is riding two carlinks behind the presidential limousine. But if

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Speaker 16: you look at news real footage and still camera footage,

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Speaker 16: what you see in the succession of photos is Ralph Yarborough,

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Speaker 16: the Senator from Texas arch enemy of Lyndon Johnson, Lady

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Speaker 16: Bird Johnson, and John Kent and Senator Johnson or Vice

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Speaker 16: President Johnson. And then in the next image Johnson's missing.

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Speaker 16: That's because he hits the deck prior to the first

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Speaker 16: shot being heard. Now, Rufus Youngblood, who is a Secret

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Speaker 16: Service agent assigned to Johnson, testifies to the Warrant Commission

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Speaker 16: that upon hearing the first shot, he pushed Johnson to

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Speaker 16: the floor. After Johnson's death, young Blood recants and says, well, no,

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Speaker 16: that's not actually what happened.

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Speaker 10: That's what I was told to.

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Speaker 16: Say, But that Johnson hit the deck and was talking

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Speaker 16: into a small radio or walkie talkie prior to the

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Speaker 16: first shot being fired. All of those anomalies re raised

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Speaker 16: suspicions about.

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Speaker 10: What happened that day.

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Speaker 16: In fact, it was Johnson who convinced Kennedy to visit Texas.

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Speaker 16: The purpose of this was to bind up a division

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Speaker 16: between the more conservative bourbon wing of the Texas Democrat

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Speaker 16: Party and the more progressive liberal wing, as headed by

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Speaker 16: Senator Yarborough. According to Jackie Kennedy's memoirs, the night before,

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Speaker 16: Johnson goes to President Kennedy's hotel room in Fort Worth

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Speaker 16: and tries to change the motorcade arrangements to put Senator Yarborough,

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Speaker 16: his hated rival, in the death car with John Kennedy

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Speaker 16: and move Governor Connolly to the vice presidential car. Kennedy refuses,

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Speaker 16: saying it defeats the whole purpose of his trip to Dallas.

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Speaker 16: He's supposed to be seen with the head of the

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Speaker 16: conservative wing of the party to try to unite the

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Speaker 16: party for the nineteen sixty four election. Johnson pitches a fit.

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Speaker 16: Jackie Kennedy says to her husband, what's wrong with Lyndon?

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Speaker 16: And JFK says, that's just Lyndon being Lyndon. So, as

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Speaker 16: you know, Connolly was wounded along with John Kennedy, and

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Speaker 16: from thence the so called single bullet theory was conjured up.

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Speaker 16: In fact, this new documentary by paramount plus what the

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Speaker 16: Parkland doctors saw you said to the beginning, Charlie, there

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Speaker 16: are multiple shooters, and the wounds the doctor saw in

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Speaker 16: John Kennedy were consistent with his being shot from the

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Speaker 16: front and the back. None of this, of course, is

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Speaker 16: reflected in any of the documents that have been released

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Speaker 16: thus far.

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Speaker 8: So let's let's remind the audience though, the significance of this,

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Speaker 8: because some twenty year old that might be watching the show,

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Speaker 8: Roger would say, that's all terrible, But so what Okay,

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Speaker 8: let's say that there were two shooters. If there was

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Speaker 8: more than one shooter, therefore that means the government lied

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Speaker 8: about it in the Warren Commission, they actively covered it up,

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Speaker 8: and therefore it means definitionally it was a conspiracy Roger,

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Speaker 8: are you do you believe in more than one shooter?

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Speaker 8: It's so, what do you think happened on the grassy knoll?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

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Speaker 10: There's at least two witnesses, one in the in the

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Speaker 10: the railroad tower.

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Speaker 16: A second witness on the ground who see a man

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Speaker 16: on the fence line on the so called grassy knole.

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Speaker 10: They see a puff of smoke from a gun.

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Speaker 16: They actually see the man drive up in a green

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Speaker 16: Plymouth station wagon, remove a rifle from a rifle bag,

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Speaker 16: shoot from the fence line. I believe that man was

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Speaker 16: paid assassin, a Corsican who was working for organized crime.

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Speaker 10: I think that is one of two shooters. The other

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Speaker 10: shooter we've already talked about.

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Speaker 16: I believe it is Malcolm Wallace from the sixth floor

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Speaker 16: of the Texas school Book Depository. Johnny ROSELLI, very famous gangster,

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Speaker 16: rather flamboyant, insists.

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Speaker 10: That he was a shooter shooting from the sewer grape.

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Speaker 10: So there's at least three shooters.

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Speaker 16: I think there may have been a fourth shooter in

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Speaker 16: the dal Text building, which is a cross from the

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Speaker 16: Texas school Book Depository building. Six Doctors Party, six steam

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Speaker 16: doctors record a blowout wound in the rear of Kennedy's head,

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Speaker 16: meaning he had been hit from the front as a

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Speaker 16: wound about the size of a grapefruit in the back

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Speaker 16: of Kennedy's head by the time his body gets to

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Speaker 16: the Bethesda Medical Center, and by the way, his body

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Speaker 16: had to be removed at gunpoint by the Secret Service

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Speaker 16: because Texas state law insists on an autopsy performed in

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Speaker 16: Texas before the body can be can be released.

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Speaker 10: So they essentially snatched the body. Uh, and they take

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Speaker 10: it to to Washington. Now, I believe it.

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Speaker 16: Is possible that Kennedy's body actually left on Air Force

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Speaker 16: two got to Bethesda Medical Center earlier. Uh, then then

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Speaker 16: expected that the coffin that that was on Air Force

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Speaker 16: one may have been empty.

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Speaker 13: Uh, and that that that.

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Speaker 10: That wound is not recorded in Bethesda, I mean.

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Speaker 8: Really really quick, yes or no question. Roger didn't his

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Speaker 8: head go missing?

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Speaker 13: There was?

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Speaker 10: His brain very definitely went missing.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, just yes, poof it just disappeared. Rogers stay right

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Speaker 8: Subscribe to subscribe to the Charliekirkshaw podcast page. Okay, Roger,

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Speaker 8: so we have a couple of minutes remaining here. The

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Speaker 8: significance of getting towards the truth of this could show

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01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 8: that the government lies to you and the government was involved.

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01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 7: What do you what would you say?

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Speaker 8: Does someone that still believes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone,

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Speaker 8: and any one of us that believes that there's more

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Speaker 8: to the story, that we're just being conspiracy wing nuts.

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Speaker 7: Roger your response, I'd.

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Speaker 16: Ask them to look at the events of Butler, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 16: I'd ask them to look at the events of West

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Speaker 16: Palm Beach. The similarities are very eerie. Just to take

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Speaker 16: let's take Butler for example. We know that the Secret Service,

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Speaker 16: the State Police, and the local police know for ninety

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Speaker 16: two minutes there's a man who's been seeing the rangefinder

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Speaker 16: and a gun within the perimeter seal perimeter of the

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Speaker 16: president's event, but no one tells the President's direct security

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Speaker 16: detail and he's not evacuated, which is what the Secret

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Speaker 16: Service manual would have required. We're told that the Secret Service,

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Speaker 16: the State Police, and the local police are all on

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Speaker 16: different radio frequencies, so they.

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Speaker 10: Can't communicate with each other.

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Speaker 16: In fact, local police see a man with a gun

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Speaker 16: on the roof of a building earlier than the Secret Service,

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Speaker 16: but they can't communicate that. We're told that Thomas Matthew

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Speaker 16: Crooks is the man who shot President Trump from the

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Speaker 16: roof of a building, but just as they hosed out

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Speaker 16: the inside of JFK's limousine.

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Speaker 10: Almost immediately they hosed down the roof.

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Speaker 16: Of the building where Crooks was shot and killed, presumably

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Speaker 16: so there'd be no trace of his DNA.

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Speaker 10: I find all of these things.

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Speaker 16: Trapped troubling, and I think that there are more questions

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Speaker 16: than there are answers, and I find that troubling in itself.

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Speaker 16: Donald Trump poses an existential threat to the established order.

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Speaker 16: And now you look at the events in West Palm Beach,

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Speaker 16: which are even more disturbing. How does this man Ryan Routh,

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Speaker 16: who is accused of trying to kill the president. We're

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Speaker 16: told that he's indigen behind in his rent payments, behind

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Speaker 16: in his alimony payments. How does he afford to fly

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Speaker 16: to Kiev? How he afford to fly to London among

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Speaker 16: other places he's been seen. How does he afford to

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Speaker 16: post an online website recruiting mercenary soldiers to fight in Ukraine?

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Speaker 10: How does he obtain the gun that he has with.

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Speaker 16: Him on the ground in West bomb Beach where the

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Speaker 16: serial numbers have been filed off, Again.

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Speaker 10: Clear ties to the Ukrainians.

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Speaker 16: So what happened in nineteen sixty three not dissimilar to

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Speaker 16: what happened in the run up to the presidential election,

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Speaker 16: which is why every night when I say the Rosary,

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Speaker 16: when I pray the Rosary, I pray for the protection

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Speaker 16: of the President and his family first and foremost. You

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Speaker 16: can call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but

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Speaker 16: there's already been two attempts on his life.

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Speaker 10: Why would there not be a third?

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Speaker 8: And I mean that's dark and deep and true stuff, Roger. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 8: you have been working on this for decades, I'm sure frustratingly.

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Speaker 8: Do you believe you're making progress, Roger, in informing the

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Speaker 8: American people about the truth of how our government might

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Speaker 8: have the ability to execute its own president.

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Speaker 10: Well, I certainly pray that I do, Charlie.

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Speaker 16: I'm working on a book on the attempted assassination of

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Speaker 16: President Ronald Reagan. You know, the government has never produced

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Speaker 16: a final report, but we know that John Hinckley Junior,

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Speaker 16: the man accused and later incarcerated and recently released in

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Speaker 16: the assassination attempt of Reagan, is always in front of Reagan,

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Speaker 16: crouching shooting upwards. He gets off four shots. All four

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Speaker 16: shots are accounted for. None of the hit Reagan. Reagan

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Speaker 16: was hit from above and behind this is indisputable. So

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Speaker 16: I'm now in about chapter eight what I think will

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Speaker 16: be a ten or twelve book on that assassination.

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Speaker 10: I think that that there's a timeline of history here, Charlie.

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Speaker 16: I think the same dark forces Eisenhower called them the

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Speaker 16: military industrial complex, we call them the deep state. The

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Speaker 16: same forces who killed Kennedy, the same forces who removed

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Speaker 16: Nixon for having the audacity of being for peace in

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Speaker 16: a silent coup, the same forces that tried to kill Reagan,

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Speaker 16: the same forces who tried to kill Trump. Is this,

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Speaker 16: in fact, this deep state, this globalist conspiracy of unelected

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Speaker 16: bureaucrats and others that infect our national security apparatus, our military,

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Speaker 16: the think tanks, the defense contractors, and they are scared

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Speaker 16: to death by the most improbable and I think successful

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Speaker 16: president in our lifetimes.

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Speaker 8: Well said everyone. Check out Roger's book one more time,

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Speaker 8: say it Rode Jury.

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Speaker 10: The Man who Killed Kennedy, the Case against LBJ. You

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Speaker 10: can get it by going to the Man Who Killed

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Speaker 10: Kennedy dot com.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Roger, talking to soon. Excellent work. See you guys tomorrow.