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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to you, and that's what you really miss podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tina co and Chen.

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Speaker 2: I'm Arthur Abrams, and today.

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Speaker 1: We have a very very special guest.

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Speaker 2: And it's a long one, so let's just not keep

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Speaker 2: you long because we have the one, the only, well,

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Speaker 2: actually the second because he's Harry Shum Junior.

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Speaker 1: That's right, but the one and only Mike Chang.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Get ready to hear some wisdom.

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Speaker 1: God, he's such a like a golden nugget of good,

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Speaker 1: good thoughts.

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Speaker 2: And what's it like to be surrounded?

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Speaker 1: I don't I'll I'll never know.

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Speaker 2: We'll never know, We'll never know.

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Speaker 1: I'll never know.

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Speaker 2: We have to combine our brains to make partially one person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, barely just skimming the surface. Here's Harry Shum.

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Speaker 2: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: Hi Harry, Hi, Hi, Thanks for having me, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: For coming on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, as the years have gone by, I

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Speaker 2: feel like one of the biggest voices of reason amongst

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Speaker 2: all of us is you. And because you're low key

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Speaker 2: about it, Jenna and I can like talk a lot

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Speaker 2: and talk to people. You're like, I don't. You're like

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Speaker 2: a calm, steady force who like maybe it's as you've

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Speaker 2: gotten older. So I'm like, you just speak your mind

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Speaker 2: and you're always right. And I feel like we've talked

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Speaker 2: about like this show in hindsight or something you've always

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Speaker 2: just had like really profound wise yeah thoughts, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's right about everything.

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Speaker 4: For people who are listening. I made that scrunch face

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Speaker 4: kind of like when you like, you're like what.

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Speaker 2: You just take take the compliment?

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Speaker 4: Where are you every single day of my life when

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Speaker 4: I'm making completely wrong in saying the wrong things?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 4: No, I mean I don't know where I I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what to say to that. I I don't,

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Speaker 4: I am, But like I think it's because you're putting more,

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Speaker 4: you're on a podcast that you're speaking more and I

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Speaker 5: So I love that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't even know where to begin with you,

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Speaker 3: because you started with us at the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: We had such a journey.

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Speaker 4: It was such a it was a rocket ship.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and then you've been on multiple other TV shows

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Speaker 3: as a series regular.

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Speaker 1: Congrats on Gray's Anatomy.

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Speaker 3: That's literally I texted Kevin was like, Kerry got a

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Speaker 3: so happy for him because you deserve everything. You're just

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Speaker 3: But also like one of my favorite shows back, I thought.

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Speaker 4: About you, like when night and I took it on

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Speaker 5: You would tell like those it was a Thursday night

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Speaker 5: still right. Yeah, it's just like you're just like you

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Speaker 4: It was like when DVR was just starting and you're

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Speaker 5: Watch it live, and it was it was I got.

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Speaker 4: A lot of what the show, the vibe was from you.

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Speaker 5: Wow, amazing.

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Speaker 1: Well you're welcome here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 5: You did my homework for me.

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Speaker 3: So I definitely have to come and watch your you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, heavy mental load. You were Also you also had

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious about your feelings as you've stepped off

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think as I've grown grown.

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Speaker 4: power to to speak up on. So I I like

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00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 4: to say that our contributions have sticking in there and

444
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 4: doing it, and it might not have been the one

445
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 4: hundred percent what everyone.

446
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 5: Agrees is the best way to do it.

447
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 4: Uh, we stuck out there and put an example out

448
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 4: to what not to do again and to what to

449
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 4: do to make uh, to make better or do better.

450
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 4: And I just think that's that's wonderful. You know, at

451
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 4: that time I didn't quite feel that way, but now

452
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: I do seem just like being able to to see

453
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 4: like key Ki Kwai Kwan when they went in the

454
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 4: war and know what he's been through in the eighties

455
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 4: and then leaving you know he went the other way,

456
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: and to see that happen now is I think, such

457
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 4: a beautiful thing. So I always I look at that

458
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 4: now and talking to y'all and about just this is

459
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 4: out of all the shows that I've worked on, whatever

460
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 4: we worked on, this is the hardest show that I

461
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 4: think no one will ever understand what we've done, what

462
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 4: we've been through, what we've done, what we've been a

463
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: part of. It's it's crazy, just like just all the

464
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 4: things that we went through. I think it will go

465
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: down history is one of the craziest shows ever exists

466
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 4: all around.

467
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: You heard it from Mary people, you heard it from then.

468
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: You don't believe.

469
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: A big and big, big big movies, TV shows. It

470
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: really was. It really was such a god, what a

471
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: wild ride.

472
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: You've been a part of so many like special and

473
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: groundbreaking projects like hear you talk about you know what

474
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: you just said, It's like, yeah, and then you got

475
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: to work with our mutual friends that you even better

476
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: friends with John Chu and Crazy ri jasions and then

477
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: get to go to everything all at once like you've

478
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: been like those are cultural changing projects. Yeah, and like

479
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: Glee was its own weird phenomenon. You're now on a

480
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: legacy like one of the most I mean famous shows

481
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: of all time. And I feel like, I mean, do

482
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: you feel like going through all those things like gives

483
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: you the I don't know capacity to be able to

484
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 2: like be a part of Oh god, let's say something special.

485
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to say that. Wow, I guess, oh,

486
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: but you know it's it's like to watch someone like

487
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: you who's so nice and like work so hard and

488
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: deserves all of that. And then because each of these

489
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: things I think comes with like their own unique like

490
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: responsibility in a way. Yeah, do you felt that on

491
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: each project? Like do you going from Glee to these

492
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 2: things that it feels like, oh, this is going to

493
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: be When people have talked about Glee like, no, we

494
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: had no idea, so it happens. You can't can't predict that.

495
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: But like crazy rich asients came out and everything the

496
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: ever all at once came out and it felt like

497
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: they changed the world in so many ways.

498
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 4: Wow. I I don't want I always try and think

499
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: like how did I get here?

500
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 5: What did I do? Like, I just don't. I don't think.

501
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 4: I don't. I think it was very little me in

502
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 4: this in the sense of my doing because if I

503
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: would have wrote it way before, if I if I knew.

504
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 5: That this was all going to happen. But I think it.

505
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: Attributes the people that I've gotten to come in contact with.

506
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 4: I think throughout all of these interesting projects is I

507
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: think what really influenced me on taking whatever step that

508
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: I took, you know, the different steps, and I like

509
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 4: to connect the dots looking backwards. Now I look at

510
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: even even even you and you Jenna and Kevin, like

511
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 4: why I want to come on and talk to you

512
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 4: because I genuinely love love you too, because I think

513
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 4: during that time on Glee, when I also felt like

514
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: I was not a part of the group, you both

515
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 4: always made me feel.

516
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 5: Part of the group.

517
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: And it was you know, it was always I remember

518
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: that feeling when and I think for the most part,

519
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people do and you know,

520
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: I think both of you did did that for me,

521
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: but even even even a lot of people at the studio,

522
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 4: it was just this. It brought the best out of people.

523
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: And I think there's there's parts where it brought the

524
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: worst out of people, but the best was was making

525
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 4: me feel like even I know during UH with certain

526
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 4: places that we would go to for events that you know,

527
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 4: I wasn't supposed to be there, like I shouldn't have

528
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: been there as my status quote unquote status, as as

529
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: the player that I was in the group. It was

530
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 4: always a welcomings like you should come too, and then

531
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 4: we can try and then sometimes like we can't get

532
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: you to come because of the logistics, but like we

533
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: should come even like on tour, I was like, are

534
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: we going to tour? Like are we doing these things?

535
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 4: And am I going to that event? Am I going

536
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: to upfront? Am I doing all these things? And or

537
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: even award shows to like you know, you always look

538
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 4: at like well always looked at well, who's the leads

539
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 4: in this? And then anyone else doesn't matter in a way,

540
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: it sometimes feels like that. But for that I always

541
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 4: got to join and be part of it. So I

542
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: was I was very I remember those things and and

543
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: and feeling that that I should be able to try

544
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 4: and give back to others that that that I can

545
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: see that were like me when I first started. Is

546
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: I think, is this engine that keeps ongoing? And I've

547
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: noticed that that's been kind of the uh, the theme

548
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: of these particular projects that I just kind of felt

549
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 4: and I don't know if that's just the energy that

550
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 4: you know, I believe in, you know, you attracting a

551
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: certain energy and then you're giving off that certain energy

552
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: and going up to leading to like giving everything everywhere.

553
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: It was just felt like the penultimate of like, oh

554
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: this these are the people that that that comes with age,

555
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: that comes with experience, that comes with being able to

556
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 4: to go through through the fire, and and and and

557
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: and know that, oh, this is an experience like no other.

558
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 4: And I hope that other people get to experience this

559
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: feeling of camaraderie filmmaking that that is at its highest level,

560
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: meaning that you get to do what you want to

561
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 4: do and not worry about what people are going to think.

562
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: And then I feel like that movie really did that.

563
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: And I think in a lot of ways, the show Glee,

564
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: you know, really did that as well. They took a

565
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 4: lot of chances and sometimes it didn't work, and a

566
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: lot of times it did. And I think that's that's

567
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: that's something that should be commended with. I think these

568
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 4: these projects that I've seen that we get to be

569
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: I get to be apartments some that you know, they're

570
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: very structure and that this is the way they do

571
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: it and it's worked, so don't change it.

572
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 5: And I love that.

573
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 4: I think that's just going to every different space and

574
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: kind of adapting to the environment and then seeing what

575
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: else you can put that is that that is a

576
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: personality trait that you have that that makes makes it

577
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: a little more as you say, Kevin Special.

578
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Very good, very good.

579
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: Well, that's I mean, I do think it's the energy

580
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: that you give, and you're always like such a team player.

581
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: And I hate that word because it feels like now

582
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: these days it means like, oh, there's such a team player,

583
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: they're just going to be walked all over like And

584
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: I feel like at some points we were that right

585
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: in our experience, at least in at Gleade any other

586
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: fests in my life.

587
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: But you you were a team.

588
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: Player, You worked hard, you were a voice of reason,

589
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: like we said, and just really tried to find the

590
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: best and appreciate and the gratitude within the thing that

591
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: we were doing. We were like, Okay, take a step back,

592
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: look at what we're doing. This is like there's a

593
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: bigger picture here that's bigger than all of us. And

594
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of like a lot of the

595
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: time that got me through. And I think also having

596
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: you be a voice of reason when yes, you said

597
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: like Glee can brought out the best in us, and

598
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: it also did definitely brought out the worst in us

599
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: and me and like I felt that way, I saw

600
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: sides of myself that I had never seen before that

601
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 3: I never want to see again. And it was helpful

602
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: to have like you and Kevin, but particularly you, who

603
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: was an Asian man who worked in Hollywood as a dancer.

604
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: There was this specific mentality and this specific feeling that

605
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: I think we understood.

606
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: It's like it was hard.

607
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: It was really hard sometimes and you couldn't speak up

608
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: and you couldn't do things that other people got away with,

609
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: and that was really tough. But to have like friends

610
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: and you know, comrades to kind of like dig through

611
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: the trenches with was like just oh yeah.

612
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 4: Those favorite moments when we like get off work and

613
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: just go and and hang and just talk for.

614
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 5: Hours and hours and yeah, and you know.

615
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: There was very It's funny you go on large mond

616
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 4: even during lunch and just our large our large month visits. Yeah,

617
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: and I that those are the moments I savor, you know,

618
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: like whatever whatever, you kind of go through it. And

619
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: it's interesting because like I've been doing a lot of

620
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: like extremely hot and cold showers, like hot showers and

621
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: cold showers. And when you talk about that of the

622
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: lowest low and highest high, like that spectrum that you

623
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 4: kind of you see the edge of like where you

624
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: can what you can feed you when you can handle,

625
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 4: and then anything in between seems just pretty much like

626
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: it's pretty easy if you if you know how to

627
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: like not fall into one or the other too too long.

628
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: And I just think that's like that's the greatest gift too,

629
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: because you know, some people I can see like just

630
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: break and if they they hear they have like a

631
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 4: two hour rehearsal like to dance. I'm just like, okay,

632
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: that's that's like nothing, nothing we've been through, you know.

633
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: And I was just like I got it.

634
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 5: You're asking me to go here and here and Here's like.

635
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: We literally were like we didn't even know where we

636
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: were at at the time, and just like pulling in

637
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: rehearsals and then doing shooting one episode, then shooting another episode,

638
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: and then going doing doing uh uh pre records and

639
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: then and then somehow Prescott thrown into and into it

640
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: and in the in the middle day and then so

641
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: and someone is like recording while we're shooting. It's just

642
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: like it was like, you know, crazy chaos that I

643
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 4: think was like I look back as like a the

644
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: the boot Camp that I don't think could could exist anymore.

645
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: That's right. I don't think anybody wouldout it absolutely not.

646
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: There's no way we all would have been fired immediately

647
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: for a number of reasons.

648
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: Somebody mental health day, thank you donal things.

649
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would not. I remember thinking of like if

650
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: Harry started to lose it.

651
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 5: Oh, there was a couple of times.

652
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: Yes, it was like.

653
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: Watching your dad cry for the first time where I

654
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, because you can get used to

655
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, and you don't necessarily really know

656
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: where the barometer is anymore because you're just like, oh,

657
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: it moves incrementally, and then all of a sudden Harry snaps.

658
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, wait, this is bad, isn't it. Yes,

659
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: it really freaks me out. And it was like, Okay,

660
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: if Harry's mad, I can get mad, I can be

661
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: fired up.

662
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: It was more a lot of it was more because

663
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: I felt like I was very I was very observant,

664
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: and I watched y'all because y'all had way more to

665
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 4: do than I did in the sense of like, you know,

666
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 4: you guys have more lines.

667
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 5: More pressed to do, more pre records. You know, you

668
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 5: were there.

669
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 4: I was there. That's not to say like I don't

670
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: think it was a kind of Olympics, like who has it,

671
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: Like worse.

672
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 5: Who has more?

673
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: But I got to see that, and it would that

674
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: is what would anger me when certain things were not

675
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: put in a you guys, weren't given a I wouldn't

676
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: say fair space, because life isn't fair, but like, you know,

677
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 4: just a way to decompress or or a way to

678
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: like handle something, because this is just the way it is.

679
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 4: And that's when I kind of, you know, I think

680
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 4: it was a lot of that was was kind of

681
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: where I broke a couple of times because it just

682
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: it was just it was just wrong. And and and

683
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: now to to to be able to talk about it,

684
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: it feels fine because y'all, y'allow Gray, going up, Gray, y'all, y'all.

685
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 5: You got you got, you got three. I need a

686
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 5: fourth stroller in the back.

687
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: We need another one up front. I got another one

688
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: in front. Don't worry. You better believe it.

689
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, we have too much I have.

690
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't have that much stuff. I have

691
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: too much stuff.

692
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 5: I want you to have a stroller to push the stroller.

693
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love being stroller right now.

694
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: If somebody could push me around in a goddamn stroller

695
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: like my daughter's life. I would be like some they

696
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: have it, they have it good. They get she gets meals, meals.

697
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: I'm like shoving like chips in my face to like

698
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: just make it through the day. I feel like prepped

699
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: me for motherhood though, because motherhood is like the ultimate multitasking,

700
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is nothing.

701
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: Compar Glee. Glee was like wrangling twelve children at one time.

702
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. And personality, you only have one.

703
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's right.

704
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: She's big. It's a big personality. But still, Harry, do

705
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: you remember I have this one memory of us. We

706
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 3: have a lot of Mike and Tina memories and they're

707
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: really fun, but I have one memory that I laugh

708
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: at a lot. I giggle about because we had to

709
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: kiss a lot on the show, like a lot, a lot,

710
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: like more than most couples, I feel like. But Eric Stoltz,

711
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: we was never scripted for us, and we were at

712
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: prompt anyway. I think Leah was singing Jar of Hearts

713
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: and he's like, you guys are going to make out

714
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: the whole.

715
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: The whole song.

716
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

717
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: We would have to make because we were right in

718
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: the background, Like I don't know how all the cameras

719
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: got us no matter where we were, and she did

720
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: that song like eight times.

721
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. She did that song. So we had

722
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: to make out the entire song.

723
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: And I remember at one point we were like our

724
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: like lists are touching and we're just laughing because it's

725
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: so insane.

726
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I hate you, Eric.

727
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. Oh yeah, yes, yeah,

728
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 5: And the camera was on and he, you know, he

729
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 5: like God bless Eric.

730
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: He is an intense dude when it comes to like

731
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: he's like I want this shot, yes, and then you're like, oh,

732
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: you know, and I have so much respect for it.

733
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: We had so much respect for Eric because he you know,

734
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 4: he wore a suit. He's like, he looked like an

735
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: old school director. No sides on set, and and and

736
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: so I was like, I got to give a Emmy

737
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: Emmy Award winning kiss.

738
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: Eight times for three minutes time.

739
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: We did not have lines, but we're gonna kiss.

740
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 5: He had dry and it's.

741
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: Just like he had us on the roller coaster at

742
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: six Flags when we did the roller coaster episode. We

743
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: kissed on the roller coaster like he loved that. He

744
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: loved that for us and I think he loved that.

745
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 3: We also were like really Eric again, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

746
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, so awkward, especially when you're having to

747
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: do it over and over again and then try and

748
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: make it like interesting. And I remember me and you

749
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: used to eat like the worst ship that we could

750
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 4: think of to just make it a little more interesting.

751
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 5: Peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Yeah, that combination existed.

752
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: That's right. No, definitely.

753
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: And then you guys, you and you and Kenny had

754
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 3: to do some fun stuff too, Like you guys did Scream,

755
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: which was like one of I think one of the

756
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: best members on the show hands down.

757
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: That was such a fun day.

758
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 4: That was really neat. That was a fun day. It's

759
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: just you got to get out of the wheelchair and

760
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 4: and and and really just tear it up and and

761
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 4: and you know Alfonso which I talked to him recently

762
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 4: and a fon, so you know, he just made that Yeah,

763
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: I mean it was. It was really fun to shoot

764
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 4: with him because we didn't see him at all much shooting,

765
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: so he just left us to kind of like door, like.

766
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: I can't even remember where he was.

767
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, was that a whole day you guys shot?

768
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: Then?

769
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we didn't do that. Yeah, we never we

770
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: shoot sometimes we shoot two musical numbers in a day,

771
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: so you never get to stay on one stage.

772
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 4: But they were so they were shooting another one, right.

773
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah they were. Yeah, So we were like all running

774
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: back and forth between different sets to see like what

775
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: are you doing over here? And people were excited because

776
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: it was so different from what we normally get to do.

777
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: And that was also after somehow we got to go

778
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: like pitch what Michael Jackson songs we wanted to the

779
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: writers and yeah, so Harry had me come in his

780
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: trailer and he's me, I'm like, oh, we'll just go

781
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: in there and sort of like tell them what you want.

782
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no, We're gonna make like a

783
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: like a PowerPoint presentation. And we went through, we pulled references,

784
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: we worked on it for like I don't know, twenty

785
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: four hours or two days or something.

786
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and there and they're.

787
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: Like, okay, thank you.

788
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: Right.

789
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 5: It really felt like an audition, like we might have

790
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 5: gotten fired.

791
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: It was so weird too, because like these are coworkers,

792
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: are friends, these writers, and like we've only hung out

793
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: with them like officet mostly as Yeah, so they like.

794
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 5: The boardroom, like just like the fingers together, and yeah.

795
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: To get invited into their space was so weird and

796
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: it felt very uncomfortable, like, did you.

797
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: Guys have to Did they tell you guys you were

798
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: doing a number together and then you had to pitch

799
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: on what number you wanted to do or was this

800
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: just you guys being.

801
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: Like we're going to do this. It was our own doing,

802
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 4: I feel like, and you kind of like, hey, don't

803
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 4: pick like the wrong songs of Michael's songs, and Ry

804
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: Ryan kept saying, okay, fine, well tell me what do

805
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 4: you want.

806
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we had Harry and I had been talking

807
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: because Teenage Dream did really well, right, and it was

808
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: like a different version because we'd gone to the point

809
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: where a lot of the numbers we were doing were

810
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: sort of like straight covers, where we were like, the

811
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: ones that are most special are the ones that change

812
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: it up a bit, whether it's a cappella or you know,

813
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. And so Harry and I

814
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: were like a little protective over the Michael Jackson music

815
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: and we didn't want it to sound like kids bomp.

816
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: And I remember, yeah, we talked to we were shooting

817
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: some scene and Ryan was around, and you and I

818
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: were like plotting. We were like running in between a

819
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: hallway and the choir room, being like, okay, you could

820
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: tell him this, and I'm gonna tell him that to

821
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: sort of like make him think it was his idea

822
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: that he wants us to pitch a music sort of thing.

823
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: And then he's like, okay, don't you guys come to

824
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: the writer's room and like you and we did it.

825
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: And I did not think for one second. I don't

826
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: even think we did we even pitch Scream.

827
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: The way you made We had a whole like, we

828
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: had a whole plot line like okay, we'll make the

829
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 4: way you make me feel that, Like I think we

830
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: really wanted that. And then a couple of the songs

831
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 4: and Scream was I think Scream was something that was

832
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: floating around around and we're like that would be dope.

833
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 4: But then like we were about to ask for that budget, yeah,

834
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: because it was it's a crazy budget, and but you know,

835
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: it all made sense and that was and I don't

836
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: remember how the song kind of kind of how I

837
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: was released. Oh and I remember the beat was changed

838
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 4: a couple of times to be able to go back

839
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 4: and forth and and you know, Ryan really really coming

840
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 4: kind of saying like, hey, what do you think? And

841
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: and to be able to have that conversation was I

842
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: think we've never got to do that ever.

843
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, thoughts on the tempo and things, and that

844
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: was so much fun, though it was also very intimidating

845
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: because Harry obviously is such a good dancer, and like

846
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: we were doing that was the most dancing I had

847
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: ever done. And it's not like you can look anywhere else.

848
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: It's just Harry and I and I was like, I'm

849
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: so screwed.

850
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: Leather, Oh my god. You have to you know, it

851
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you're good dancing or not. You're gonna

852
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 4: have to make it something different. But you know, one

853
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 4: of the best things about you is that you commit.

854
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 4: And so it's like because you can easily feel like

855
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: such an idiot, like what am I wearing?

856
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: Why am I doing this? This is insane? Yeah, you

857
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: watch Harry just go full out. All right, We're going

858
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: into it, shut up.

859
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: Amazing.

860
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 2: We got to do some crazy things, like so so weird.

861
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys did so many crazy numbers.

862
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: My favorite was the guys numbers when we didn't know

863
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: what was happening, and then you would come on set

864
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: and perform and we get to watch sit back and

865
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: watch you. You guys did all the applause, the Gaga thing,

866
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: you guys did, kiss, you guys did the usher, and

867
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: the whole thing we just watched you do in Rocky Horror,

868
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: which I.

869
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: Forgot that story.

870
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: I totally forgot the storyline that you were like taking

871
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: on the lead and then your parents didn't like, oh.

872
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was.

873
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: It was. It's always funny when like how it's you know,

874
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: everything is so fluid because you like, one storyline goes like, oh,

875
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: it's heading towards there, Its like, and then someone it's

876
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: like a song doesn't get cleared.

877
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh right, it's so true.

878
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: Before we tie this up with a nice little boat,

879
00:44:54,280 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: I'm just curious your feelings on where where you are

880
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 3: now with the show. What is the feeling that Glee

881
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 3: left you with then versus now?

882
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: Is it the same? Has it evolved?

883
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 5: I'd love to hear.

884
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 4: Also, what what what experience has been for you after

885
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: a kind of share is you know as far as publicly, like,

886
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 4: I think what's interesting is like, you know, no matter

887
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 4: how you feel about something, no matter what the public

888
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: thinks as far as like audience and all that, fans

889
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 4: or people who dislike it, that's going to penetrate and

890
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 4: kind of your thoughts on kind of how you feel

891
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: outside of your own experience. And it's I think the

892
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 4: craziest thing is seeing Like I remember I was at

893
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 4: an event and she's got to be no, no, not

894
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: much older than maybe like twelve years old, thirteen years old,

895
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 4: and just says like that's her favorite show, Glee, And

896
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 4: I just find that three so like, I don't know how.

897
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 5: I feel about that.

898
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 4: It's like.

899
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean yeah, like that's not that's that.

900
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: Like when I was at the Oscars, like like waiting

901
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 4: in line, you know, a couple of younger actors came

902
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 4: up and was just like, oh my gosh, I like

903
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 4: I love you and Glee and I was like, you're

904
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: eight years old, like, and I think that's There's there's

905
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: this level of like, you know, going back to what

906
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 4: I talked about, you know, we left a certain stamp

907
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 4: on on that time period that I think musicals could

908
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 4: have were and whatever, you know whatever, all the things

909
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: that we got to to contribute to I think popular

910
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 4: culture and music. Is is really neat to see that

911
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 4: kind of carried over into another generation that can can

912
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 4: enjoy this thing that a little bit of because I

913
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: think what the what the show was, outside of all

914
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 4: the things that that you know, the things that I

915
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 4: talked about thematically was was just try and express joy,

916
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: you know, for people who don't ever get to you

917
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 4: don't to ever see them experience joy on screen. And

918
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 4: I just think that was, uh, that's resonating. It feels

919
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 4: like it's resonating with with a younger audiences outside of

920
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 4: the people who experience it during that time and are

921
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 4: into the gossip and you know, the younger, young, young,

922
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: younger kids might not see that.

923
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 5: So it's it's yeah.

924
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 4: For me, I just feel like, you know, it's it's

925
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: cool to be part of something that I I know

926
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 4: that I don't know if it will ever exist again

927
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 4: anything like it, as as much as they try to,

928
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: and I've gotten definitely gotten people calling me trying to

929
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 4: do the same thing. And you know, I think we

930
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: we we are a crew, our group of people, the

931
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: people that was assembled and the people who didn't know

932
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 4: what the hell they were doing. But that is I

933
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: think one of the one of the best things that

934
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 4: you could have done because the fact that you don't

935
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 4: know what you're doing, you're probably going to do things

936
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 4: that no one else is going to do. Right. But

937
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: I mean, for for y'all, I like, has have you

938
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: had that same kind of experience, especially people still recognizing you,

939
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 4: you know, from the show and stuff when you go

940
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 4: to different countries or even here. Yeah, has that been

941
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 4: the same.

942
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: The exact same? Yeah, it's been crazy. It's strange.

943
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 5: It feels.

944
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: Nice, Like that's something you think about when you're doing

945
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: the show and you get recognized while the show's on, Like,

946
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: how is this going to be perceived in ten years time?

947
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 4: You know?

948
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: But it has been I mean, which is also part

949
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: of the incentive of us doing this podcast, is that

950
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: there is this whole new generation and then the generation

951
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: that watch while it was on is also continually watching

952
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: it or watching it again, And it is nice. It

953
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: is nice to feel like we were part of something

954
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: that was culturally significant that way that is speaks to

955
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: people that you know, want to feel like you said,

956
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: experience joy and see joy and people like themselves on screen.

957
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the bigger picture. It's like the effect and

958
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: the stamp that, like realize I wish in hindsight, I

959
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: wish I had been able to see it the way

960
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: we see it now back then just a little wait more.

961
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: It just would have given me a bit more perspective

962
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: on where I was and how I handle things and

963
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: how I just my attitude in general at this, you know,

964
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: every day being there, I wish that I just kind

965
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: of could have known more about the big or thought

966
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: about the bigger picture more. And I did.

967
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: I did.

968
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I was really appreciative, but I also

969
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: acted like an asshole.

970
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: So like I do feel like had I known a

971
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: little bit more what I know now, I would go

972
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: back and handle things a little differently.

973
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: Isn't that always the thing?

974
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 6: Right?

975
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 2: It's so interesting to hear that you think you were

976
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: such an asshole during it, because yeah, you, I mean,

977
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: I think we're always obviously we're in our own heads

978
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: and have different perspectives. But like being around you, having

979
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 2: lived with you for two of those years, like you,

980
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: sure did you have some moments where you were just

981
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: worn out and maybe didn't handle some things correctly. Sure,

982
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: but we all did at different times. And I will

983
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: say on the whole though, I think your perspective was

984
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: really good, and like when you're working fourteen fifteen, sixteen

985
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: hour days, no matter how good your perspective is, sometimes

986
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: you're not You're just gonna be worn.

987
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: Oh.

988
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: Sure, I appreciate that. Thanks for saying that.

989
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, And sometimes you have to think if it's if

990
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: it's you being an asshole to yourself as opposed to

991
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: other people. And I think that's kind of I think,

992
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 4: you know, in our twenties, we all were to a

993
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: certain degree and just the you know, it's like, why

994
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 4: am I being so shitty to myself? Yes, for feeling

995
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: this way, it's already being you know, it's already like

996
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 4: layered on top of that. So because I don't I

997
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: also don't agree with Kevin. I don't think it was

998
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 4: expressed outwardly towards other people. But you know, I can

999
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 4: relate to how I was probably an asshole, yeah, to

1000
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: to myself, and I think that's always the hardest relationship

1001
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 4: to kind of look back, and you know, it only

1002
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 4: takes time to be able to repair that or whatever

1003
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: it is.

1004
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense, that that's very fair, and that

1005
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: that's very profound. It makes sense.

1006
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: I mean, we obviously know ourselves one thousand percent more

1007
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: as we should and have evolved so much that when

1008
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: you go back, you're like, well, if I was in

1009
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: the body i'm in now, in the mindset i'm in now,

1010
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: I would have handled things differently.

1011
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 5: Of course, God it would be gods if we went

1012
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 5: back to high.

1013
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: No.

1014
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: But I think also when I say that him, like right, Ryan, no,

1015
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: he's unavailable, it will make him available.

1016
00:51:59,480 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 4: No.

1017
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: I I also think like just appreciating like around us,

1018
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: all the good things that we had in being able

1019
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: to do the podcast. It was like and talk to

1020
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: like somebody like you who was there you know all

1021
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 3: the time. It's it's nice to look back and go,

1022
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: oh yeah, it was really great and we did have

1023
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: really good times and we really do treasure those moments,

1024
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: and that's why we all still stay in touch and

1025
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: love each others. Like just knowing, like in my mind

1026
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: back then, like wow, this is really great. Just the

1027
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: appreciation for it could have been deeper and more just

1028
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: kind of led with appreciation and grateful, grateful nature versus

1029
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: like this again, but yeah, here.

1030
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: We are, here, we are Well.

1031
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: It's also the repetition of or the intervals that it happens, right,

1032
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: it's the interval that happens and you don't you don't

1033
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 4: even have time to appreciate it because it's already on

1034
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 4: to the next. Yeah, And and you know, I think

1035
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: that's also speaks to kind of like society now. It's like,

1036
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: do you have time to even appreciate that those things

1037
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 4: or are you onto the next?

1038
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: You have to spend so much mental power to make

1039
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: sure you are present and appreciative in addition to you know,

1040
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: the opportunity or whatever whatever it is you're doing. And

1041
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: so yeah, it's sometimes it's just you don't have the

1042
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: capacity to you know, necessarily be aware and conscious of

1043
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: that all the time, right right.

1044
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 5: Oh, I love you guys.

1045
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: You know this is so it's so good to see you.

1046
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: I have good chat for hours. Honestly, I'm like, oh shit,

1047
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: it's been an hour. You are Harry, We're just honestly,

1048
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: I'm just so proud of you. I'm so happy for you.

1049
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: Every time like hear something else or in the news

1050
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 3: or we see you in like this awesome carpet, I'm like, God,

1051
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: that's awesome.

1052
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: It's so good to see your friend more succeed.

1053
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 2: So you're the best of us, you know, really appreciate it.

1054
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: You you. I love you, guys, and thank you so

1055
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 4: much for just always uh reaching out and like I

1056
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 4: want to see your your faces and in.

1057
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 5: I r L I know some dinner soon.

1058
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: We should do it, ugly dinner soon? Should we do it?

1059
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: Let's do it?

1060
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: We should, Let's do it.

1061
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 4: Let's do it. Come on, let's do it. Okay, let's

1062
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 4: do it over, Let's do it.

1063
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 5: Okay, it's done, It's done, it's consorted.

1064
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: Here first we'll say, how do your awesome life?

1065
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 4: Bras?

1066
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: We love her, we haven't seen her longtime, and.

1067
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: We love you. I love you hair, you guys, love

1068
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: you so good to see you.

1069
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 4: Harry.

1070
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: Well there you have it.

1071
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: The a gem of the earth, one of the best

1072
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: people we know, one of the hardest working humans and

1073
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: also like deserving of everything and what a good friend.

1074
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: Gave me goosebumps many times, like I don't know what

1075
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: Oprah he is on, but he's yeah, he on some

1076
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: full Oprah intelligence, wisdom and couldn't be prouder. Love you, Harry,

1077
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us, and that's what you really missed.

1078
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: Come back next time.

1079
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and

1080
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: that's what you really miss POD. Make sure to write

1081
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: us a review and leave us five stars. See you

1082
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: next time.