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Speaker 1: Loka Tora Radio is a radiophonic novella.

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Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm diosa m and I am Mala Munjos. Lokatra Radio

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Speaker 1: is yr Brima's favorite podcast, hosted by us Mala and Viosa.

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Speaker 2: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 2: sexual wellness, and offering fresh takes on trending topics through

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Speaker 2: nuanced interviews with up and coming LATINX creatives.

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Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Myth and Bullshit

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Speaker 1: and Las Bocass Prosas. We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: but joined iHeartMedia's Microtura network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community.

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Speaker 2: Bartoo el Mundo.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to season eight. Are you listening? O Lao La

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Speaker 1: Loka Motes. Welcome to season eight of Loka Tora Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Theosa and I'm a la. You're tuning in to

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Speaker 1: Capitolo Set one sixty seven.

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Speaker 2: Now, before we dive into our mini series, right now,

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Speaker 2: we want to take a moment to invite all of

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Speaker 2: our Lokomotives to the My Kulturas two year Anniversary Live Show.

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Speaker 2: The two year anniversary live show will be taking place

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Speaker 2: August seventeenth at the iHeart Theater in Burbank.

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Speaker 1: We'll be hosting a live recording of Loka Tora Radio

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Speaker 1: in front of a live audience, along with Curly and

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Speaker 1: Maya of Super Secret Besties Club and Cheeky's Like the

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Speaker 1: Cheeky's Riveta of the Cheeky's and Chill Podcast. You don't

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Speaker 2: You don't want to miss it. This is an all

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Speaker 2: star lineup including our host, DJ Lecherro and music by

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Speaker 2: DJ Sizzle, our faves. We love DJ Sizzle, So you

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Speaker 2: guys got to come out. Get your tickets at stage

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Speaker 2: pilot dot com, slash Michael Tura, and if you're not

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Speaker 2: able to attend the live show in person, you can

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Speaker 2: still join us virtually. It will be available to live

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Speaker 2: streams starting August twenty eighth, so you can tune in

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Speaker 2: from anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Now on to today's Gapitlo. We're continuing our mental health

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Speaker 1: mini series.

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Speaker 2: So this is actually the fourth episode of our mini

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Speaker 2: series in which we discuss the history of hysteria and

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Speaker 2: being Delulu Now this episode, as it is part of

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Speaker 2: our Mental Health mini series, we are trying to explore

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Speaker 2: different aspects of mental health and wellness each episode. So far,

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Speaker 2: we have interviewed actress and mental health advocate Danny Fernandez,

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Speaker 2: licensed therapist Adriana Alejandre, and the duo who runs the

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Speaker 2: Homegirl Consejos Page Mirian Juarez and Sasha Roblez.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we'll be diving into the history of

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Speaker 1: hysteria and the concept of being de Lulu. We'll explore

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Speaker 1: how these terms have been used in the past and

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Speaker 1: how they continue to affect our understanding of mental health today.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned for our discussion and be sure to check

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Speaker 2: out our previous episodes in our Mental Health mini series

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like this conversation that we're having in

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Speaker 1: particular for this episode is really just a continuation of

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Speaker 1: loga epistemologies, because when we started Loka Tora and we

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Speaker 1: were the concept of the podcast and what we were

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Speaker 1: going to name it, we were thinking about we were

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Speaker 1: very much in the reclaiming era, right, like, Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: was the era in twenty sixteen where we were reclaiming

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Speaker 1: a bunch of things, Yes, and one of the words

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Speaker 1: was loka, where everyone was like self identifying as a loka.

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Speaker 1: We were taking that word back because we realized, we

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Speaker 1: were learning that it was used against us for really

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Speaker 1: to discredit, you know, our lived experiences, our feelings. That

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Speaker 1: was part of why we named Loka Tora radio to

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Speaker 1: word loco door and made it look at Tora and

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Speaker 1: that's where look at our Radio came from. And so

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Speaker 1: this idea, this concept to look up epistemology embedded. It's

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Speaker 1: very much been our framework for the entire podcast. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from the beginning, we were going to be two

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Speaker 2: crazy bitches talking on the internet, and we still are

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Speaker 2: and that framework and that epistemological framework with our conversation

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Speaker 1: Today, you've probably heard this word used in the same

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Speaker 1: way you've heard crazy, like you're being hysterical, yes, stop

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Speaker 1: being hysterical now say as yesthetica, like it really is

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Speaker 1: there was a psychological diagnosis called hysteria, and it was

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting too because I feel like historically women

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Speaker 1: Oh, fascinating. Yes, you're so right.

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Speaker 2: Men can be Oh he's hysterical, he's hilarious, he's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: quote hysterical. One of the symptoms of hysteria was like

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Speaker 2: If you had a wet pussy. Yes, you were going

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Speaker 1: Like that is not something we should be wanting to

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Speaker 2: Right, they were lobotomizing housewives, you know, like in the

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Speaker 2: And it was common practice, it was, And if you

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Speaker 1: Right, And so I find it really fascinating that that

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I think why we wanted

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Speaker 2: And you were you were mentioning before recording that the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so back in twenty fourteen, this term delulu originated

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Speaker 1: like the belief that you'll end up with your favorite

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Speaker 1: There was an article written on this concept of being

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Speaker 1: by Elena Cavander, and that was I think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love a deep dive. I'm such a nerd. I'm

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Speaker 1: how were they originate online? And that was the original

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Speaker 1: use of it in twenty fourteen. This concept of being delulu.

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Speaker 1: Now it has become like Delulu, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: go buy your coffee, if your goal setting, you're being delusional,

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Speaker 1: like live your life like your delusional set your goals

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Speaker 1: at your delusional I'm sorry, isn't that just dreaming? Is

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Speaker 2: Settings, having aspirations and hopes delusions?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry?

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Speaker 2: How dare you dream?

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Speaker 1: How dare you be delusional?

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Speaker 2: I would say that when I delulu, it's like thinking

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Speaker 2: that I can get something that takes two hours, like

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm I like that is my big delusion

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Speaker 2: is around time and timing.

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Speaker 1: Time is a social construct.

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Speaker 2: A social construct. But yeah, that's my that's where I'm Delulu. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what this is fascinating too, like the delusional

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Speaker 1: Better? I don't know, I you know, I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about You know, if you're a new listener, you might

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Speaker 1: not know this story. But there was this time where

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Speaker 1: we used curious Cat me and we got like, we

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Speaker 1: got death threats, we got rape rape threads.

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Speaker 2: And I hope you jump off a bridge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was delusional on the part of this person who

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Speaker 2: was adding us in somebody else's Curious Cat And as

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Speaker 2: we when we tell this story, I love to bring

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Speaker 2: up this detail. He was adding us and adding Hillary

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Speaker 2: Clinton at the same time. So odd, so bizarre, because

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Speaker 2: we also have never been like raw raw raw Hillary girls.

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Speaker 1: No, we were never a hashtag. I stand with her

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Speaker 1: like that was not our brand at all.

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Speaker 2: And so this man was like lumping us with look

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Speaker 2: at thought our radio and Hillary Clint did. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: hoary cunts. I don't want to hear your Missinger's podcast

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Speaker 2: ever again.

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Speaker 1: Oh we should rebrand as a Messenger's podcast, your.

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Speaker 2: Pretty must favorite missngress. That's who we.

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Speaker 1: Are, who we are. No, but I bring up that

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Speaker 1: story because you know that we were in our early

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Speaker 1: twenties and if that happened tomorrow like that would still

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Speaker 1: freak me out. But I think in our early twenties,

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Speaker 1: especially the type of podcast episodes we were producing, like

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Speaker 1: it felt really scary. It changed the way we showed

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Speaker 1: up in person and the way we planned events and

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Speaker 1: all those things. But the reason I'm bringing it up

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Speaker 1: is because I posted it on my personal story and

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Speaker 1: someone commented, you should put a trigger warning, like you

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Speaker 1: should have a slide in front of the messages. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But was that the first thing that I thought, Like,

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Speaker 1: when I was, you know, feeling this and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to tell my you know, online community, like what was

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Speaker 1: going on, it was not the first thing that I

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Speaker 1: thought of, No, And but giving you an example or like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was a time online where you had to put

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Speaker 1: a trigger warning in front of everything, and I think

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Speaker 1: that that's fine and that's fair, and that was appropriate

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Speaker 1: because there was a lot of horrendous things being shared

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Speaker 1: online and a lot of people got very comfortable sharing

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Speaker 1: their personal stories online. So yeah, I do think trigger

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Speaker 1: warnings are important, especially when we're sharing videos, you know,

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Speaker 1: about trauma, what have you. But at the time, for

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Speaker 1: me and my personal experience, that was not the first

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Speaker 1: thing that I thought of.

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Speaker 2: Because that user who responded to you and told you

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Speaker 2: that you needed to have a trigger warning, did they

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Speaker 2: say I'm so sorry that you experienced that. That's horrible,

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Speaker 2: are you Okay.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember, but I don't even remember

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Speaker 1: who it was. But I do remember, like I actually

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Speaker 1: took the post down because we had it on our

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Speaker 1: look at page, so it was already out. This was

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Speaker 1: pre collapsed, pre like there's a different time on the internet.

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Speaker 1: And so I remember taking it down because I thought like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe this did need a trigger warning, like the first

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Speaker 1: image you see, I hope you get raped.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I don't want someone that's the first thing they

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Speaker 1: see when they open on Instagram. So I did end

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Speaker 1: up taking it down, but it was still a very

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Speaker 1: real thing that happened to us. Yeah, and we will

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Speaker 1: never know who.

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Speaker 2: That was, right, thank god? Yeah, or maybe we need to.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we need to know. I don't know, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: weird things happened to us all the time.

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Speaker 2: Girl, I told you about the time that I was

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Speaker 2: skating in Venice. Yes, so I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: share this on the podcast, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think you did. It was horrifying, horrifying.

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Speaker 2: So I was roller skating in Venice. This was probably

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Speaker 2: a year ago now, and it actually kept me from

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Speaker 2: going back. I was skating like almost every day for

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Speaker 2: a couple of years. Loved it, loved it. Still love skating.

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Speaker 2: But I go to Venice and I'm roller skating, and

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing a bikini because that's what you do at

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Speaker 2: Venice Beach when you're roller skating, Like that's just what

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Speaker 2: you do in the summertime. I'm wearing a bikini, I'm skating.

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Speaker 2: I have a great time. I go home. Nine hours later,

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Speaker 2: I get a DM request from like an account. I

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Speaker 2: have no idea who it is. There's no photos on

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Speaker 2: the account. It's all bicycle pictures of bicycles. And this

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Speaker 2: person sent me a photo of myself roller skating at

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Speaker 2: Venice Beach, but I could tell it was a screenshot

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Speaker 2: of a video. And at Venice like people will go

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Speaker 2: and stop and watch the roller skaters, very common, you know.

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Speaker 2: But this person knew who I was and they were

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Speaker 2: watching me and took a video of me and then

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Speaker 2: went to my profile, sent me a DM and sent

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Speaker 2: me a screenshot and then they said I want to

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Speaker 2: smell your panties beautiful, And I was horrified. Dude, I

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Speaker 2: did not go back to Venice, like for months, it

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Speaker 2: like kept me from going to the beach because I'm like,

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Speaker 2: this person, this bikeman probably hangs out there all the

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Speaker 2: time and I'm never gonna know who it is. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: stuff like that, people will reach out to us. And

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Speaker 2: my thing is with the trigger warnings and that expectation

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Speaker 2: from that follower, It's like, I'm sharing my own trauma

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Speaker 2: and what I went through, and I think that there's

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Speaker 2: a lack of sincerity, right, like do you give a

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Speaker 2: shit that I just experienced this horrible thing or you

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Speaker 2: want me to be looking out for you when I

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Speaker 2: don't know who you are and you're really not looking

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Speaker 2: out for me. Who is the trigger warning really for?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I struggle with it in movies and TV, you know, film,

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Speaker 2: especially when there's tons and tons of violence, Like absolutely

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Speaker 2: there's an expectation that there are trigger warnings, but it's

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Speaker 2: like we're sharing online. Some of that that policing is

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Speaker 2: like a bit was at the time, I think I

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Speaker 2: got out of hand. Yeah, I think in my personal opinion, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well this episode took a turn.

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Speaker 2: You know what, here we are a lobotomy sounds really

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Speaker 2: good right now?

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Speaker 1: Actually cut her mic cut her mic. We're done.

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Speaker 2: Well, this has been fun. I mean, this has been

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Speaker 2: a good another fabulous episod Look at Thought Our Radio.

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