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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to our very first episode of Legally Brunette.

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Speaker 1: I will be your host today, Emily Simpson, and I

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Speaker 1: felt like the best co host for kind of like

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Speaker 1: a pop culture slash legal podcast would be with my husband,

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Speaker 1: Shane Simpson. And so, are you excited to be here?

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Speaker 2: I am, because I know you have a lot of

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Speaker 2: knowledge on this, so I'm ready to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we're very excited for our first episode to

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Speaker 1: be about the Menindas brothers, the murders where we're at currently,

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Speaker 1: and I think what we're trying to do is kind

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Speaker 1: of pack as much information about Menindaz as we can

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Speaker 1: into one episode. As you all know, it's been a

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Speaker 1: cultural phenomena. I remember back in nineteen eighty nine when

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Speaker 1: this murder happened. I was a young girl in Middletown, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: and I used to watch this trial on court TV. Now,

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Speaker 1: clearly back at that time, I had a completely different

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Speaker 1: perspective on it than I do now. But I'm just wondering,

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Speaker 1: did you know about the murders because you grew up

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Speaker 1: in California.

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Speaker 2: I did. I did. I didn't know it as much.

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Speaker 2: I didn't follow it like you did. The way I

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Speaker 2: followed it was through David Letterman. He did a lot

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Speaker 2: of top ten lests that would include the Menendez brothers.

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Speaker 2: Jay Leno did a lot of jokes about it. So

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Speaker 2: for that reason, I always saw it, but I had

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Speaker 2: no opinion of it other than they killed their parents

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Speaker 2: for money. That's what's my knowledge, although I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: that's correct, but that's what I knew of it back then.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you think about that time period,

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Speaker 1: back in the eighties and the nineties, I do believe

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Speaker 1: that that was the story that the media perpetuated, that

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Speaker 1: you had two wealthy, good looking young guys that grew

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Speaker 1: up in Beverly Hills, that led a very privileged lifestyle

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Speaker 1: and then decided that they wanted their parents' money and

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Speaker 1: they murdered them, right and even me following it on court,

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Speaker 1: TV and the media, that was my takeaway back then.

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Speaker 1: And so I really feel like it's so interesting that

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Speaker 1: thirty five years later, here we are talking about this

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Speaker 1: case and I was trying to understand what has made

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Speaker 1: it come back up and be such a huge phenomenon

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Speaker 1: that all these kids are making tiktoks about it. You know,

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Speaker 1: there was the recent release of Monsters on Netflix, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, let's just be clear that Monsters is

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Speaker 1: a dramatization, it's not a documentary. And then there was

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Speaker 1: the recent documentary on Netflix where it's actually Eric and

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Speaker 1: Lyle speaking from prison. And I read something the other

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Speaker 1: day that I thought was really interesting because I did

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Speaker 1: not realize this, but this surge of TikTokers, who is

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Speaker 1: a completely different generation than you and I when we

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Speaker 1: were growing up. Their fascination with this case comes from

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic when we were all in quarantine. Court

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Speaker 1: TV was running reruns of the trial.

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Speaker 2: Oh is that what? I wondered? What started it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And I didn't understand that either, because I knew

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Speaker 1: that there were all these TikTokers that were making tiktoks

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Speaker 1: about the Meninda's brothers and it was all basically the

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Speaker 1: same theme that they should go free.

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Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, that's interesting. That means TikTokers are

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Speaker 2: watching court TV.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was the part with that. I was like,

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Speaker 1: why are TikTokers watching court TV? But apparently they were

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Speaker 1: running reruns of Court TV. They ran the Meninda's trial

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic and it caught on and this new

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Speaker 1: generation watched a lot of the trial and then probably

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Speaker 1: saw snippets of the trial on social media.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and the.

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Speaker 1: Consensus now it's a completely different phenomena is that they

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Speaker 1: should be released because they were abused by their parents.

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this, and this is what

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Speaker 1: I do, this is what keeps me up at nights.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about how during our generation, we're kids,

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Speaker 1: we're gen X, right, Okay, were born in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: we were kids in the eighties, and we were in

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Speaker 1: high school and college in the nineties. And our generation,

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Speaker 1: I think made fun of the Menindez brothers, like you said,

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Speaker 1: because there was not the recognizing that sexual abuse could occur.

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Speaker 2: With no no always. Then you have someone like me

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Speaker 2: who's not really paying attention, but yet it's thrown in

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, certainly, I as an eighteen year

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Speaker 2: at me that they're guilty, that they killed their parents,

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Speaker 1: Case, right, And I even remember seeing Saturday Night Live

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Speaker 2: Well then they'd always have the bad hairstyles, right because.

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Speaker 1: Lyle had the two pays, so they would always have

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Speaker 1: the bad hair. And then again you're.

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Speaker 2: Down playing showing that these when you're making fun of them,

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Speaker 2: even down to their hairstyles, what you're saying, you're discrediting

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Speaker 2: them as valid people, as kids that might have issues

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Speaker 2: and problems and there might be more depth to the

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Speaker 2: crime other than just privileged kids or immature kids or

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Speaker 1: And that's why I find this case so interesting. Now

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Speaker 1: Here we are in twenty twenty four and a different

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Speaker 1: generation has latched onto this case, and these kids are

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Speaker 1: more accepting. You know, we were Gen X, there was

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Speaker 1: a sandwich from your parents. So I think this new

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Speaker 1: generation of kids have been coddled more. There's more therapy,

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Speaker 1: there's gluten free, there's more acceptance of a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that go into your psyche and understanding psychological factors

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Speaker 1: and so that's where we are with Menendez. But let's

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Speaker 1: just go through because I know you don't know a

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Speaker 1: lot about the case, and I know so much about

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Speaker 1: this case. I could spend an entire probably nine hours

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Speaker 1: just talking about the facts of this case. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to do that, Please don't. I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to do a brief synopsis of some of the facts

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Speaker 1: of the night that it happened, and then we'll just

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Speaker 1: go from there. So Lyle and Eric Menindez were convicted

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Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighty nine murders of their parents, jose

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Speaker 1: and Mary Louise Mendez, who goes by the name Kitty,

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Speaker 1: and they're Beverly Hills home, which, by the way, the

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Speaker 1: address is seven twenty two North Elm Drive. And I

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Speaker 1: actually drove there. You know that I made a video.

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Speaker 1: I was in LA and I was really close to

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Speaker 1: So I actually drove over to the home and parked

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Speaker 1: is such a beautiful, calm, serene, magnificent Beverly Hills neighborhood

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Speaker 1: cords well, I mean a brutal, brutal murder taking place

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Speaker 1: most brutal murder scene that they had ever witnessed. The

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Speaker 1: brothers claim the killings were in self defense after years

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Speaker 1: of sexual and physical abuse by their father, Jose Menindez,

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Speaker 1: but prosecutors argued that the brothers killed their parents in

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Speaker 1: a bid to inherit their wealth, which at the time

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Speaker 1: was supposedly around fourteen million dollars, which is what they

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Speaker 1: would inherit. And again, this is back in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: Money to day, certainly a lot back then.

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Speaker 1: After a highly publicized trial, the first jury was unable

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Speaker 1: to reach a verdict. Actually, there were two juries in

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Speaker 1: the first trial. I don't know if you knew that

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Speaker 1: each boy, so Lyle and Eric, they each had their

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Speaker 1: own jury during the first trial. And there were actually

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Speaker 1: times when if there were specific witnesses that were speaking

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Speaker 1: had to do with Lyle, the other jurors would have

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Speaker 2: That legitly that's a lot, right.

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Speaker 1: Also, I believe the defense had fifty five. I might

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Speaker 1: not be right about that, but it was an exorbitant

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Speaker 1: and Eric. So can you imagine just how long this

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Speaker 1: two different juries. I don't know exactly. I think it

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Speaker 1: was maybe eight months. Don't quote me on that, but

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Speaker 1: it was a long It was a long trial. They

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Speaker 1: were sentenced after their second trial, which was in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety six. It resulted in both brothers being convicted of

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Speaker 1: without the possibility at the role. Also, there are you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll just go into a little bit, just a brief overlay,

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Speaker 1: but there a lot of people question the second trial

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Speaker 1: because the judge precluded a lot of the sexual abuse

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Speaker 1: evidence that was disclosed in the first trial. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of emotions filed by the prosecution in the second trial,

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Speaker 2: That brings up a lot of questions for me because

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Speaker 2: the jury couldn't convict or find or affirm, you know,

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Speaker 2: And if you present the same evidence and you get

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Speaker 2: the same outcome, which is a hung jury, well then

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a timeline. When the Menindas brothers

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Speaker 1: it was I believe eight days after the OJ Simpson

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Speaker 2: Well, they were an incompetent office after the OJ trial exactly.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that a lot of that went

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Speaker 1: into the judge's decisions. Now here's where I have questions.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there was a manslaughter option there were

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Speaker 2: Wa Wait, In the first trial, what was what were

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Speaker 1: Well, it was premeditated manslaughter or not guilty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well always not guilty, right, What were the charges

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Speaker 2: In the second trial.

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Speaker 1: It was either they could either be convicted of premeditated

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Speaker 1: manslaughter option because there wasn't. There wasn't the allowance of

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Speaker 1: any mitigating factors of the abuse. Also, Lyle did not

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Speaker 1: made a mistake and had spoken to a woman named

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Speaker 1: Norma Novelli. I believe that she was having phone conversations

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Speaker 1: and I believe he made some incriminating statements that had

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Speaker 1: you know, the second trial was completely different than the

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Speaker 1: first trial. They ended up getting convicted of premeditated murder

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Speaker 1: life without parole. So that's where we're at today and

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Speaker 1: now here we are, thirty five years.

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Speaker 2: Later, convicted of the same or both with the same

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Speaker 2: sentencing life without parole.

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Speaker 1: Yes, both, and life.

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Speaker 2: Without parole is different than life. A lot of people think,

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Speaker 1: Okay. Eric is the younger brother. He was eighteen when

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Speaker 1: Right all right. So here's something I just want to do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, explain the Habeas petition.

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Speaker 1: The Habeas petition was filed back in May of twenty

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Speaker 1: But the Habeas petition was basically based on some new

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the Habeast petition is just new evidence that

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Speaker 2: And then the second one was a resentencing hearing.

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Speaker 1: The second one is a recencing hearing, and it's basically

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Speaker 1: They've been model prisoners during their time. There has been

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Speaker 1: their family supports them. They're not, you know, a menace

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Speaker 2: The life without parole. So they're not incentivized for good

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Speaker 1: They work with hospice patients, they work with abuse suffers, abuse,

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Speaker 1: So Eric wrote a screenplay about a team killing his

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Speaker 2: Which start Judd Nelson.

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Speaker 1: By the way, have you seen that movie? You are

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Speaker 1: Parent, right, but was it for for money? For an inheritance?

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Speaker 2: You get to the brutality. Yeah, those facts that you

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Speaker 1: I think though, but when you buy the guns two days.

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Speaker 2: And I'm guessing an imperfect self defense is when they

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Speaker 1: That is where us, from a reasonable standard looking into it,

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Speaker 2: Equivalent would be if someone comes at me with a

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's not one shot to the head. They're dead, Okay,

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Speaker 1: No, not that I not that I've ever read or

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Speaker 1: No, she was not dead, she was okay, she was

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Speaker 1: Lyle walked around to the back of the couch and

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Speaker 2: Back to the car, reload the shotguns, came and shot

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Speaker 2: I agree with that. I mean, I'm sure there's lots

435
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: of weapons that get tossed, and it's in LA and

436
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: some people probably found it and no one knew what

437
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: it was at the time when they found it, and

438
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: they repurposed it for some other crime, and then that

439
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: was the end of it.

440
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the only thing I can think is,

441
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean they were found, no one knew the significance

442
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: of them, and then is there in some.

443
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: Side of the road. I mean, anything could happen. If

444
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 2: you said that they were in the house and it

445
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: was never found, then I'd questioned it. But it's on

446
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: the public road. I don't think that's as big of

447
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: a deal as you make it out to be. Secondly,

448
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: if they found the guns even today, if they found

449
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: them today and they were preserved, what value would that

450
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: they've confessed to the crime.

451
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: No, they did confess, and I know there's no value

452
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: to finding the weapons. I'm sure that's why the police

453
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: didn't bother searching, because it's not like they needed that

454
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: to you know, I mean, they.

455
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: Didn't need a smoking gun. But then I go back,

456
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: I go back and forth lot. I go back to

457
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: why did they throw away the guns? Why are they

458
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: hiding the evidence?

459
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: Well, that was this is part of the analysis. So

460
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,239
Speaker 1: it's after they shot their parents, they they got rid

461
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: of the bloody clothes. I read. I think it was

462
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: in a book by Robert rand I read that they

463
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: got rid of the bloody clothes, like behind a gas

464
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: station somewhere they changed their clothes into I guess they

465
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: had some tennis clothes in their car. They tried to

466
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: buy movie tickets for an earlier movie time. They tried

467
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: to see Batman in an earlier time because they wanted

468
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: a timestamp on the movie to prove an alibi. They

469
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: also tried to meet up with a friend at the

470
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: Taste of La and then later tried to meet up

471
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: with him at Cheesecake, again trying to establish some type

472
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: of alibi. They were turned back.

473
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: To that after the fact they tried to establish alibis.

474
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, after the fact they were trying to establish They

475
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: were trying to buy a movie ticket for earlier in

476
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: the night, you know, like the nine to ten showing.

477
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: How did they forget that part? They should have bought

478
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: the ticket.

479
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: Before, Yeah, but they couldn't. I don't think you could

480
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: buy a ticket that early for a nine pm showing.

481
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I.

482
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: I don't know. Presumably it was the Tim Burton Batman

483
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 2: with Chack Nicholson.

484
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: It was it was the nineteen eighty nine Batman that

485
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: they were trying to buy tickets too. They returned back

486
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: to the home. This is almost around midnight, and at

487
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: a they realized they back home, and they realized that

488
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: there's no police there. They thought for sure that someone

489
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: would have heard the shots in this quiet, sleepy you know,

490
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills neighborhood.

491
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: As you described it earlier.

492
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: It was it is, and no one did. So they

493
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: return home. They don't know what to do. There's no

494
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: police there. They enter the home. Lyle calls nine one

495
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: at eleven forty seven. They are yelling. They're emotional. They're saying,

496
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: someone shot our parents. The police show up two minutes later.

497
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: They come out of the house. They drop to their knees.

498
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: They're crying, pounding the ground. Our parents have been shot.

499
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: They blame it on the mafia because their dad was supposedly,

500
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: you know, it was a big wig at RCA. So

501
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: they blame it on well, not at the time. He

502
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: worked for RCA earlier, but then he worked for Live

503
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: Entertainment after that. There's all the evidence of the spending spree.

504
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: You know, they bought rolllexes they house.

505
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: Soon after, they spend money.

506
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: Okay, well, they bought new suits and rolllexes. I believe

507
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: either one day or two days before the funeral, the

508
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: memorial service in Hollywood for their parents, they spent sixteen

509
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on money clips and three new rolexes. That

510
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: was a day or two before the memorial so that

511
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: was within days of the murders.

512
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: Probably not related. But in Billionaire Boys Club they did

513
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: the same thing. They spiffed themselves up with Mercedes and

514
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: suits and Rolexes and try to really look like we

515
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: got our a game on right. But of course they

516
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: were also pursuing business ventures.

517
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: But anyway, go ahead, okay, so well then that's another Also,

518
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: I believe Lyle bought a restaurant in New Jersey, so

519
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: they spent. They spent a lot of money. They actually

520
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: got I think seven hundred thousand dollars from an insurance

521
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: policy pretty immediately after the murders, and they also were

522
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: authorized to use their dad's AMX up to two hundred

523
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand. They also bought I think a Geep

524
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: a Porsche.

525
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: But see if they had all this money, like the

526
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty grand or whatever line of credit

527
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: or whatever it was. Then they had access to money.

528
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, Dad won't buy us this,

529
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: and they're stingy and they're going to give away the money,

530
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: and you know, we have to go to school. We

531
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: don't want to go to school. We just want our money. Now,

532
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 2: that leads me to think that they were living a

533
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: wonderful life financially, So why would they Where's the motive? No,

534
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: I agree, I think that I have anyway, not conclusion.

535
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: No, I don't disagree with you. I think the prosecution

536
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: and the media pushed very hard that the motive was

537
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: for money. But if you analyze their lifestyle, you're not

538
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: talking about two kids that were withheld anything. I think

539
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: they lived. Yeah, they had to pay, they had They

540
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: lived a very lavish lifestyle. I don't think their parents,

541
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think they gave them everything that they needed.

542
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: So sometimes when I think about the spending spree, if

543
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about the abuse being true, then maybe that

544
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: was their way of exhibiting their freedom. Yeah, not so much.

545
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: We just want all this money, but that was the

546
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: way that they could outwardly exert that. They find out.

547
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Now we have money. It's now we don't have our

548
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: parents abusing us or controlling us and dictating our lives.

549
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: Right yeah. So it's like you let a dog out

550
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: in the yard, out of the yard, and all of

551
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: sudd Now they're just roaming free, right yeah.

552
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk about some things that I think

553
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: were very fundamental for me when I was going through

554
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: this case and reading things and watching things that really

555
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: led me to believe that the abuse allegations were real.

556
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: There was detailed testimony and a lot of emotion in

557
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: the first trial when Eric and Lyle both testified. If

558
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity, I would say, either watch their testimony.

559
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: You can find YouTube videos of it, or read the

560
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: trial transcripts. I don't think that you can act. To me,

561
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: that's not acting. That's real, hardcore emotion. There are also

562
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: two family witnesses that corroborated the abuse. I believe there

563
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: were two cousins that testified that they had seen abuse

564
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: within the home. There was a letter that Eric had

565
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: written to his cousin Andy eight months prior to the murder,

566
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: kind of outlining that the abuse was happening. That's one

567
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: of the pieces of evidence that was found later, there's

568
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: the declaration of Roy Roussello from Minuto, who claims that

569
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: Jose Mendez drugged him and raped him in his home.

570
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: And then also in the most recent Netflix documentary, this

571
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: was really an AHA moment for me. They're interviewing Pam

572
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: who was the prosecutor in the first trial, and she

573
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: openly admits that they could not find one character witness

574
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: to testify on behalf of Jose to say he was

575
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: a good man. Not one, not a single character witness.

576
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: Would they testify the opposite?

577
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure, But the prosecutor is not going to.

578
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: No, no, But have you heard anything or because not

579
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: not witnessing or testifying that he was a good man

580
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: doesn't mean he was a bad man. Was anyone Did

581
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: anyone have bad thoughts and interactions with him?

582
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they did. I think he was ruthless

583
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: in business, we know that, Yeah, I mean, all the

584
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: things I've read is he was ruthless, he had a

585
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: bad reputation, he was difficult to deal with, like, he

586
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: was not liked. I mean all those attributes also made

587
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: him a very highly skilled executive. I mean he got

588
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: pretty far. And then lastly, it's just their behavior in

589
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: prison I think is very commendable. The fact that they are.

590
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: They were sentenced to life without parole, and yet they

591
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: dedicated their lives to being educated, getting degrees and they're

592
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: both married.

593
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: Well they are, maybe they are crazy. What are your

594
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: thoughts on that? I don't know. All I know is

595
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: there's no conjugal visits for people that are in prison

596
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: for life without problem is very true. I was going

597
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: to get to that how they did marry for love?

598
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: They did for love because it wasn't for sex, for sure,

599
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: it was not supposedly though. So Eric is still married

600
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: to the same woman. Her name is Tammy. They got

601
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: married I believe, back in the nineties. She I think

602
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: is close to sixty at this point, he's like fifty

603
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: five or something.

604
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: That's fine, that's close in age.

605
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: My question is if they do get released, do you

606
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: think that marriage will last?

607
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I don't know anything about the marriage.

608
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't I can't comment on that. I

609
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: just can say that they haven't lived together before along,

610
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: they haven't even gone out to eat. I mean, I

611
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: don't even know. Yeah, they're going to come across new,

612
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: uh traits of their personalities. They go out together. Yeah,

613
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: so we're hopeful.

614
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: So Lyle has been married a couple of times. He's

615
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: currently married, but he's been married. Yeah, he's been married

616
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I think I believe he's married

617
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: to his second wife right now. But she recently hosted

618
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: on Facebook because she runs a Facebook page for him,

619
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: that they are separated, but they remain best friends and

620
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: she still supports him. But he currently as far as

621
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: I know, I think the Daily Mail reported this, he

622
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: has a girlfriend that's twenty one and she's British. I

623
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: believe she flew out to the prison and she has

624
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: visited him and there were photos of them together.

625
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: Oh, this makes for a good episode of Life After

626
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: lock Up, it does, right now. That's good reality TV.

627
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Shane and I used to watch that a lot.

628
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Menenda's edition.

629
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: All right, So, based upon what we've gone through, we

630
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: did an analysis of why it was premeditated, the brutality

631
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: of the murders. But then some of the things that

632
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: convinced me that the abuse is true, that the abuse

633
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: was corroborated by family members. There was the letter that

634
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: was found from the cousin or that Eric had written

635
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: to the cousin the Menudo, you know, member that came

636
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: forward and said Jose had raped him.

637
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: Well, let's be clear then, so all this new evidence

638
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: leans towards they were abused and that would be the motive,

639
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: which doesn't mean it wasn't a murder, and it doesn't

640
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: justify murder because my parents have annoyed me from time

641
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: to time, and the world knows you've annoyed me for

642
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: time to time.

643
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: I do, I do.

644
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Murder is never an option. Now, I haven't been abused

645
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: to the extent that they claim they have been, so

646
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: I certainly can't judge them. But what I'm getting at is,

647
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: so if if we find we being the court finds

648
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: that they have been abused, and that indeed is the

649
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: motive and it was not money, then are they supposed

650
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: to be out of jail? Should they still be in

651
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: jail because you know, murder is not.

652
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's the argument that's to be made, And I'm

653
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: asking you from your legal analysis your opinion based upon

654
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: all the things we talked about that make it premeditated

655
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: a brutal murder, and then some of the things that

656
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: I put on the other side that have to do

657
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: with the crop of abuse, what they endured, what they've

658
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: gone through, do you think that they should be re

659
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: sentenced to a lesser sentence which would allow them to

660
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: be immediately eligible for pearl.

661
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I have real strong opinions on this. Okay, Ready,

662
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know enough to know that I

663
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like to be abused, right, And

664
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what the situation would be to have

665
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: a father as he's painted out to be. So far

666
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: to say, you know, I mean, and how I would

667
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: handle it if I would run away or leave or

668
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: punch my dad in the face or whatever it is.

669
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how. I don't know how

670
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: I would handle it. So who am I to sit

671
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: here and judge them for how they handled whatever abuse

672
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: they encounter. I just don't know, and I'm not, Unfortunately,

673
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: I'm not in a position where my opinion really matters

674
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: to them. So I just can't go any further than

675
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: that other than saying I don't know, and I have

676
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: sympathy for people in that situation. I know. There's the

677
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: battered woman syndrome, right, which is I don't know where

678
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: it stands today legally, but it was recognized at one

679
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: point that in the battered woman syndrome, that she's in

680
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: no position to be able to get up and leave,

681
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: that her only way of survival for her and possibly

682
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: her children is to kill the man and that's the

683
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: only way out, and that was recognized before.

684
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's a valid point that you make,

685
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: because I've read and heard many people who have commentated

686
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: on this case who are psychologists who are knowledgeable, who

687
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: have said things such as, if these were the Menindez sisters,

688
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: they would either have been it would have been a

689
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: lesser charge of manslaughter because it.

690
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: Comes off less violent and less physically aggressive if it's

691
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: a female.

692
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: I think you mean.

693
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: It's perceived if it's the Menendez sisters, as you said,

694
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: just I think me watching it as a young child,

695
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: and even now, it just naturally comes off as less aggressive. Wow,

696
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: they really that was their only way out, you know.

697
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: And you don't see daughters killing parents. You don't vision

698
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: and vision daughters killing parents for money. So you're saying,

699
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: and it's all prejudging and none of it's accurate. We

700
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: shouldn't be like that, But I'm just saying that's how

701
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: it comes off.

702
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying if they were females, I think

703
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: the abuse allegations that they made would have been believed.

704
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I'm sorry, I'll start listening to you now. O.

705
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I'm just saying if they were females when

706
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: the abuse allegations came up, I think people would have

707
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: probably wholeheartedly believed what they were saying. You know, the

708
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: prosecutor paying it's.

709
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: More easy to accept that a man would be horrific

710
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: towards young women, right versus the other way around, exactly.

711
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: It was the understanding during that time period. In the

712
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: early nineties, there were two hung juries. In the first trial,

713
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: all of the men voted for premeditated murder. Men could

714
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: not wrap their heads around the fact that boys could

715
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: be sexually abused by their fathers. Right and the prosecution.

716
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: I saw it in a video I believe was on

717
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: YouTube somewhere where the prosecutor Pam says to the judge

718
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: in open court, it is our position that boys cannot

719
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: be sexually abused. Yeah, that's that's why this case is

720
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: so fundamental for today's society, and it's such an earmark

721
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: of accepting the fact that boys can be abused by

722
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: their parents. Right and that's where we're at, and hopefully

723
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: we have a recensing hearing coming up on January thirtieth.

724
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: There's a new DA in LA. His name's Nathan Hochman.

725
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: He's taking office soon. They had to delay the resentencing

726
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: to January thirtieth because he said he wanted time to

727
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: review everything. He wants to at the totality of the circumstances.

728
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: I believe he wants to go back and read all

729
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: the trials, transcripts, both trials.

730
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: I did see an interview with him where he said,

731
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: I'm not going to, you know, just because they got

732
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: popularity on Netflix and this, and that we're not going

733
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: to just rush it. I think he was like, I'm

734
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: going to treat this like any other case, which is

735
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: I need to look at everything, not just watch a

736
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: documentary exactly.

737
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: I saw a recent interview I respected that on TMZ

738
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: and he said that he wanted to make two things

739
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: crystal clear, One that there was no preferential treatment, that

740
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: he was going to do a thorough review of all

741
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: the facts in the Meninda's case. And two and I

742
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: thought this was really interesting. He said he loves the

743
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: media attention that this case is getting because it allows

744
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: so many people to get involved in the criminal justice system,

745
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: and he really urged everyone to not just watch a

746
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: dramatization like Monsters, but if you truly want to get

747
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: involved and you truly want to understand it, read the

748
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: trial transcripts, watch the trial, watch the cour TV.

749
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: Be so quick to judge exactly, Know that there's a

750
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: lot more to a murder then just it's cold blooded exactly.

751
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: And with that, I think, thank you for giving me

752
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: your opinion. Sure, what we're going to do now. I

753
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: actually have a very good friend named Alexandra who is

754
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: an attorney and she represents them and in those brothers.

755
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: She works for Mark Geragos, and we're going to have

756
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: her come on and we're going to ask her some

757
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: questions about the case.

758
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: I'll be exciting.

759
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Hi alex thanks for being here of course. Okay,

760
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: first of all, give me a little background. Alex and

761
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I are friends. I actually adore her. But besides that,

762
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: give us a little background on how long you've been

763
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: involved with the case. How long have you worked with Garagoes.

764
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: Where are we at with that?

765
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been with Mark probably, I mean probably about

766
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: eight years now. I've known in my whole life when

767
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: I was a public defender. He used to think I

768
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: worked for him already, a really good family friend, and

769
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: we've been partners probably for about eight years now, and

770
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: we came on to the Menandez case. I think it's

771
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: been a little bit more than a year now.

772
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: Right when the.

773
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: Habeas was filed, we came in because it was filed

774
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: by Cliff Gardner, who's really behind the scenes, but he's

775
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 3: a genius in a pellet work, and so he asked

776
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: us if we would come in and do the footwork,

777
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 3: and so we came in right about them.

778
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, we were talking about this earlier because we

779
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: were trying to distinguish the habeas petition from the resentencing,

780
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: which are two different routes to grant them freedom. At

781
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: this point, do you have a preference, like do you

782
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: feel like the resentencing is a better route for your

783
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: clients or the habeas.

784
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: Well, the resentencing is cleaner because if the resentsing is granted,

785
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: if the judge reduces it to a misdemeanor, they're immediately released.

786
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: So that's the.

787
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: Cleanest way for them to get out. If the habeas

788
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: is granted, it gives them the option of a new trial.

789
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: So there's a potential there that we have an entirely

790
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 3: new Menendez Brothers Jurney.

791
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: And that's a mess.

792
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: So for me, as a representative of my clients, I

793
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: would love to have the door just be opened and

794
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: let them be freed. So the resentencing is my preference

795
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 3: obviously right now.

796
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: The hearing coming up on January thirtieth is that is

797
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: the resentencing. Is that correct?

798
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: That's correct?

799
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: Okay, Now when we talk about resentencing, what are the

800
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: factors that they taken into consideration, Like is the new

801
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: evidence taken into consideration at that point as well, or

802
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: is it more based upon kind of the family support,

803
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: their behavior in prison, things like that.

804
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 3: So the resentsing is really just what have they done

805
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 3: from the time that they've been in prison until now.

806
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: That's really the only thing you're looking at and the

807
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: only real consideration for the judges. Is there a potential

808
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: that they're going to be released and re offend by

809
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: committing a super strike? And there's very specific charges that

810
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: are super strikes, you know, murder, rape, things like that.

811
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: So the question is is there anything in their history

812
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: while they've been in prison that would make you think

813
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: that they are potentially going to refund at a very

814
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: very serious level.

815
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: And I assume there's nothing. Everything I've read is that

816
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: they've been nothing about model prisoners. They've gotten degrees, they've

817
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: helped other prisoners and abuse sand hospice and things like that.

818
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Is that correct, that's correct.

819
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 3: Not only have they been model citizens, but there are

820
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: no other inmates that I have ever heard of that

821
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: are like them. They had no potential for getting out,

822
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: all of their appeals had been denied, and so they

823
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: were resolved to the fact that they were going to

824
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: be in prison for the rest of their lives. And

825
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: at that point they started creating programs for other prisoners

826
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: so that when they were released they had a better

827
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: chance of survival without recidivism. And they focused solely on

828
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: people who needed to be comforted towards the end of

829
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: their life, who were in prison. Everything for everyone else.

830
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, I cannot even imagine if somebody wanted to

831
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: come in and actually focus on the resentencing shoes, anything

832
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: that they would say about their time in prison, that

833
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: shows that they have not been rehabilitated.

834
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: Right. And also, let me ask you, I know you

835
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 1: know them personally because you speak to them often. How

836
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: are they doing emotionally or mentally with everything that's going on,

837
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: with all the support they're getting from social media, are

838
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: they prepared if because there is the possibility that they

839
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: remain in prison.

840
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: It's always an option, It's always on their minds. You know,

841
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 3: there's been already through this process. Just in the last year,

842
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: there's been these peaks in these valleys. I think that

843
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: from the inside it's hard to know exactly what's happening

844
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: on the outside. They don't get watched TMZ. They get

845
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: reports that are you know, third, fourth, fifth parties sometimes

846
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: and so they've had a lot of ups and downs.

847
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: But they're dealing with it with it better.

848
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: Than I ever would. They deal with everything better than

849
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: I ever would.

850
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: Right, That was a question I was gonna ask. Are

851
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: they aware of all the support that they're getting outside

852
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: the gates, outside the prison?

853
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are.

854
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: It means a lot time.

855
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's got to be somewhat humbling to finally

856
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: have that support after you know, three decades.

857
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's funny that you say that it they

858
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: are very thoughtful, very humble people.

859
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: You know, Shane and I were talking before you came

860
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: on about how when the trial first occurred back in

861
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: the nineties. It was a completely different time period, and

862
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: I was saying, I think a lot of that. I've

863
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: actually I text you at night. I'm like, I'm laying

864
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: in bed and I think about these things. I was

865
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: thinking about how that time period, the people within our

866
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: peer group, we were gen X, and that was very

867
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, you just you put your big girl pants on.

868
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: There weren't participation trophies, there wasn't gluten free, there was

869
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Speaker 1: nothing warm and fuzzy. It was basically like you just

870
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Speaker 1: you took care of yourself. And now we have this

871
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Speaker 1: whole new generation that watch court TV, that saw the trial,

872
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Speaker 1: that listened to them testify, that knows about what they've

873
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: been through. And it's a different generation and they accept

874
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: them and they believe them, and they and they embrace them.

875
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Speaker 1: And that has to be so amazing for them to

876
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Speaker 1: after all this time, to actually feel like what they've

877
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Speaker 1: been through is being recognized, right.

878
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Speaker 3: I Mean, they were the butt of jokes. They were

879
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live skits about them. They were just made

880
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 3: fun of constantly. And for them to be this complete

881
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: oneint eighty is I think great just for them. I mean,

882
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: people don't like it. When I say it, a lot

883
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: of times I get black for it. But you know,

884
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Speaker 3: they are victims. They are victims, and they were put

885
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Speaker 3: in the position that they were in because they were abused,

886
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: and so it's I think it's healing for them to

887
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 3: see that they are being recognized as victims, not just

888
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: as monsters.

889
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Speaker 1: Right.

890
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's great. And one thing that hasn't

891
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: really been spoken about a lot is that when they

892
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: were in and when they were putting their story out there,

893
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 3: when they got on the stand and they started talking

894
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: about what was happening, people inside of the jails came

895
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: to them and said, oh, my god, I would never

896
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 3: have done that. I never would have told my story.

897
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: But now that you have, can I talk to you

898
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Speaker 3: about it? Because I've never had anybody to talk to.

899
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: So they've started support groups inside for victims of sexual

900
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: violence and abuse that did not exist. And the idea

901
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: that there are not support groups for things like that

902
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: inside of the prisons boggled my mind. But they are

903
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: the ones who started the creation of those support groups.

904
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Speaker 1: Or Yeah, that's really amazing work that they've done. Also,

905
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Speaker 1: how do you see them if they were let go,

906
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: if they become free. How do you see them giving back?

907
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: Is that what they talk about? Have you had conversations

908
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: with them about that? Like how they see themselves once

909
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: they're free.

910
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: They want to keep continuing doing the work that they've

911
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: been doing. Everything they talk about about their goals are

912
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: to continue doing the work of reforming the prisons that

913
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: they've been doing from the inside.

914
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Speaker 2: They might be even more motivated to do so if

915
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: they were to be released in any terms, they would

916
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: probably see the value in speaking up and recognizing prisoners

917
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: as victims of abuse or whatever they've been through. That

918
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Speaker 2: they might want to continue their work because they're seeing

919
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: like the fruits, right, Yeah, that that that people can

920
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: be released, people can be reformed, people can you know,

921
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Speaker 2: continue to help others. So they might be in you know,

922
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Speaker 2: they might feel it's more valuable for them to do

923
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Speaker 2: this and they'll want to just continue it. Yeah, that's

924
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: that's that's yeah, it's probably it'd probably be hard for

925
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Speaker 2: them to not want to continue it if they see

926
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Speaker 2: the results that can come of it.

927
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate it, and I will

928
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Speaker 1: talk to you soon. Okay, bye bye, okay, bye bye Okay.

929
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Speaker 2: So, if they do get released under under any terms,

930
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Speaker 2: whether it be resentencing or a new trial. And they

931
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Speaker 2: get out of jail, then you know, we wonder if

932
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Speaker 2: they're going to stay married, and this's that. But can

933
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: they there's so much popularity around this, so much Hollywood

934
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: around this, so to speak, can they benefit from any

935
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: of this because obviously Netflix drama, everyone's benefiting from it.

936
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, they actually can. So in New

937
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: York you're precluded from making money from a crime. However,

938
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Speaker 1: in California that's not true. So they actually can profit

939
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Speaker 1: from their stories.

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Speaker 2: As far as you know, there's no restrictions.

941
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Speaker 1: There's no restrictions, you know they As far as what

942
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Speaker 1: I've read, there is no There's nothing left of this

943
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: fourteen million dollar inheritance. It has all gone. It went.

944
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Speaker 1: A lot of it paid for the defense the first

945
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: couple of trials. Also, the house had a mortgage that

946
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: had to be paid, there were taxes that had to

947
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Speaker 1: be paid.

948
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Speaker 2: Everyone was probably, yeah, putting their hand in thee.

949
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: There's no money left. However, you're talking about two men

950
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: that are on the popularity scale of like a Kardashian.

951
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: So if they do happen by chance to come out

952
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: of prison, I am sure that there will be some

953
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: bidding wars over who gets the first interview with them,

954
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: and you're talking millions.

955
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: Of because the worry would be they come out of

956
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: jail or prison and then they don't like have something

957
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: to you know, to grasp on to financially support themselves.

958
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: And yet everyone else is profited. But you're saying that

959
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: they can they carefully, they do it properly and not

960
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: be taken advantage of. But they can use their stories.

961
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: Yes, interviews, social media, book deals. Yes, there there is

962
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Speaker 1: the potential for.

963
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Speaker 4: The reality shows podcast, There is the potential for them

964
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Speaker 4: to make a lot of money. Yes, okay, all right,

965
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Speaker 4: thanks guys for listening to our very first podcast on

966
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Speaker 4: the Menindez Brothers, and thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,