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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about the latest with the vehicular homicide

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Speaker 2: death of Johnny Goudreau and his brother. The defense team

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Speaker 2: of Sean Higgins, the man who hit them with his

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Speaker 2: car is now saying that he was not legally drunk,

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Speaker 2: so we'll get into that. Then we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about defamation on social media and how it pertains to

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Speaker 2: influencers and how one case is trying to send a

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Speaker 2: message to the world that it is not okay. And

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Speaker 2: over the past couple weeks, there have been events and

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Speaker 2: award shows that are now making us questioned if the

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Speaker 2: heroin shekh look is back from the nineties. Then we

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Speaker 2: have a disturbing true crime case where a mother is

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Speaker 2: being investigated for potentially using her teen daughter as a surrogate.

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Speaker 2: And we'll finish up with the micro penis challenge. All

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Speaker 2: that and more. Get into your comments, questions, emails on

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Speaker 2: today's episode. Johnny Grudeau Kate.

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Speaker 1: I can't say it's a difficult last name if you're

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Speaker 1: not used to it, but god, I just I feel

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Speaker 1: so bad for this family. So the guy who's been

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Speaker 1: accused of drunk driving and killing Johnny Gudroau and his

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Speaker 1: brother Matthew, he's now trying to prove he was under

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Speaker 1: the legal limit when the accident happened, and he wants

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Speaker 1: the whole case thrown out.

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Speaker 2: So this is going to actually end up being a

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Speaker 2: really interesting case that might change some laws and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Because if you remember back in what, oh it looks

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Speaker 2: like it was back in February, was it.

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Speaker 1: This year or last year? It had to be last year.

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Speaker 2: It had to be last year, right, So in February

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Speaker 2: we talked about the actual limits because new information came

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Speaker 2: out about the brothers as well. So the driver was

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Speaker 2: zero point zero eight seven blood alcohol level, which is

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Speaker 2: like a smidge over the legal limit because the legal

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Speaker 2: limit is zero point zero eight So it was like

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Speaker 2: one one hundredth or seven one hundredths above what it

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Speaker 2: normally should be would be considered legal. Right, It's still above,

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Speaker 2: but still above, but like a hair above.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Then new information came out after the autopsies were done

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Speaker 2: on the brothers that they were actually more drunk than

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Speaker 2: the driver was. They were drunk bike riding, so Johnny's

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Speaker 2: was point one two nine and the brothers was point

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Speaker 2: one three four, which is significantly higher than what the

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Speaker 2: drivers was. The brothers was was really almost double of

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Speaker 2: what the brothers or what the drivers was. So but

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Speaker 2: in the state of New Jersey, so this is going

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Speaker 2: to be like a law thing versus what actually should be.

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Speaker 2: But as of right now, in the state of New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: it's not considered illegal to ride a bike under the

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Speaker 2: influence of alcohol. It's just considered disorderly conduct. It's not

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Speaker 2: the same as driving a car legally drunk. So that

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Speaker 2: was their first argument that they tried to bring up

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Speaker 2: last year, and now this year they're saying that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're getting experts, toxicology experts and stuff like that. And

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Speaker 2: they tested apparently just his plasma, which was zero point

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Speaker 2: zero eight, which is at the legal limit. But then

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Speaker 2: they said they tested his whole blood, and when they

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Speaker 2: tested his whole blood, it was zero point zero seven

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Speaker 2: So like, legally, if he was not considered to be

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Speaker 2: driving while intiexicated, even though if he said he was, like,

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Speaker 2: what this blood test, if this blood test can stand

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Speaker 2: up in court I don't really, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it can because it is only what five it's all

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Speaker 2: sincerely under. Yeah, it's it's it barely is, but it's under.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter like legally speaking, it's under.

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Speaker 1: But all right, like there is a question I have

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Speaker 1: for you. So like for example, like some people are

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Speaker 1: able to have a couple of drinks and feel fine

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Speaker 1: enough to drive, right, but they might test over the limit.

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Speaker 1: If I have one glass of wine, I don't feel

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Speaker 1: comfortable to dry. But that's not what's no I know,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying if they took my blood, though, would

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Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable to draw. That's that's not what the

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Speaker 2: Though it doesn't matter like the law has Like if

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Speaker 2: it let's say, for example, no one got killed with

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Speaker 2: you're allowed to have a couple of drinks and drive.

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Speaker 2: You just are so like they're just trying to find

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Speaker 2: in order for him to be because that would be

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Speaker 2: charged with first degree aggravated manslaughter, reckless vehicular homicide, leaving

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Speaker 2: So he could face up to seventy years behind bars

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Speaker 2: if he's convicted on all counts.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not even.

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Speaker 2: Sure that they would be able to charge him with

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Speaker 2: first degree aggravated manslaughter if he wasn't legally drunk.

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Speaker 1: So not saying he.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't because he did leave the scene of the accident

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Speaker 2: and he did do all this other stuff, but like

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Speaker 2: the guest charges are resting on that he was drunk

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Speaker 2: while he was driving, and if they take that blood

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Speaker 2: for this case.

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Speaker 1: No, totally, And I really understand pointing out that the

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Speaker 1: maybe drunk or intoxicate on some level and still hit

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Speaker 1: them resulting in their death. So, like what happened the

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Speaker 1: day of was there saying another car slowed down because

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Speaker 1: decided to pass that car and then hit them in

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Speaker 1: the process and then drove down. He left the scene completely,

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Speaker 1: so he said he pulled over a quarter mile down

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Speaker 1: admitted to the officers that he had five or six drinks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean that that doesn't matter though what

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Speaker 2: he said, no, because he could have had and it

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Speaker 2: was it was in the morning, correct.

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Speaker 1: No, it was it was the night before. I feel

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Speaker 1: like it was like late afternoon or early evening, the

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Speaker 1: versus guy was drunk driving but he still killed them,

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Speaker 1: is what I'm getting at. So, like I understand they

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Speaker 1: he still was driving recklessly that resulted in their deaths.

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Speaker 1: So like he can't have the entire case thrown out.

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Speaker 2: They just need to come up with the new st

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Speaker 2: People kill have vehicular homicide all the time and they're

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Speaker 2: not under the influence, and they don't.

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Speaker 1: Go to jail for it. It just not even manslaughter

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Speaker 1: or something. It depends on the situation. Everything is.

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Speaker 2: It depends on the situation. Like there was a way

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Speaker 2: who said he saw them? Did the witness say that

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Speaker 2: they were swerving into the road or this or that?

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Speaker 2: Like there's so much to go on, but like we

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Speaker 2: maybe that needs to be taken into consideration because if

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Speaker 2: you can't drink and drive at that level, you can't

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Speaker 2: really ride a bike straight at that level either. But

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Speaker 2: since the guy did illegally pass, he definitely will probably

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Speaker 2: I assume that he would be getting charged with that

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Speaker 2: because he did break laws. He illegally passed and stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's not like you or I

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Speaker 1: and they die, right, Like this guy was driving like

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Speaker 2: So like like driving on Roote one thirty and like

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Speaker 2: anybody that lives near me knows that this happens. There

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Speaker 2: is a nursing home on Route one thirty, which is

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Speaker 2: it's not a highway. It's a six lane.

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Speaker 1: Like what would you call that.

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Speaker 2: It's not really a highway, but it's it's fast and

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Speaker 2: people are driving anywhere up to seventy miles an hour.

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Speaker 2: It's a bad road, and there's there's accidents on it

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Speaker 2: certain points people drive as fast as it's a highway.

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Speaker 2: But it has turns, not like exits. It has like

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Speaker 2: know if it's nursing or assisted living whatever. Lets the

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Speaker 2: there's been multiple times that I'm just like, why did

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Speaker 1: Ever. This is the big difference I'm talking about. It's

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Speaker 1: out of this driveway and you don't see them. Right, Like,

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Speaker 1: this guy still did something wrong, whether he was drunk

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Speaker 1: So like he can't just get off scot free. He

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Speaker 2: Well, and I don't even know that that the that

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Speaker 2: this blood test will hold up in court, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: like they might.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, they're gonna have to.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have to have, you know, some kind of

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Speaker 2: toxicologists state that why this is different than this, and

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Speaker 2: you can that's definitely the case when you have when

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Speaker 2: you're testing someone for substances that it presents differently in

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Speaker 2: different if you do vitreous fluid or blood or tissues, like,

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Speaker 2: you could get different levels. So in these particular cases

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Speaker 2: they might say no, Like the blood alcohol level for

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Speaker 2: the state of New Jersey is based on plasma rates

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Speaker 2: and then the guy's beat, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean where it stands now is the prosecution basically

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Speaker 1: and then he, I think, will then be eligible to

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Speaker 1: face a new grand jury to determine a new set

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Speaker 1: of charges basically which are going to be significantly less.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, which what like, listen, if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: it is what it is like obviously as like a

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Speaker 1: huge hockey family in my household. This is devastating, But

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Speaker 1: like I can sit back and analyze the whole situation

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Speaker 1: was legally under the limit, I like understand where the

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Speaker 1: had this cockiness this whole time. I mean, remember when

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Speaker 1: camera like you just killed two fucking people, Like what

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Speaker 1: Now, I think this is a pretty groundbreaking case. So

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Speaker 2: So this TikToker believes that she has psychic abilities and

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Speaker 1: And she was so confident in this defense that she

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Speaker 1: She what did they award her? Like millions of dollars? Oh,

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Speaker 1: But like, I think this is kind of awesome because

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Speaker 1: No, for sure. I think the difference is with like

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Speaker 2: It's actually more alarming that people were like watching these

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Speaker 1: Like this is my personal beef with like those celebrity

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Speaker 2: Really, it really isn't like if a rumor is made

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Speaker 1: as if it's fact. And that's what I don't like

435
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: about it. And then of course if it is true,

436
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: it's very juicy it is, and that's a problem because

437
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: sometimes the things they post do end up coming true

438
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: and then the girls like see I you heard it

439
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: here first, blah blah blah, Like no, this is this

440
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: is a problem and you're probably ruining people's lives to

441
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: some degree. I don't know. I don't like it. Okay,

442
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: So what about I mean, we didn't really talk about this.

443
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: Have we talked about Kelly Osbourne yet? We did on

444
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: our YouTube live. We've talked about Kelly Osbourne a couple

445
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 1: times on our YouTube live because I mean, she's had

446
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: this absolutely drastic appearance change since her dad died. Of course,

447
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: at first people were attributing it to being on weight

448
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: lost drugs. She's saying it's due to her immense grief,

449
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 1: her appearance at the brit Awards over the weekend is

450
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: seriously concerning to look at. I mean, people are like

451
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: going after her, telling her she looks like a dead

452
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: body and everything, and like I'm looking at her as

453
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: like she she needs help.

454
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I that's what I thought. You know what

455
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: it actually coincides with. So I you know, I'm writing

456
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: a celebrity death book and I was writing about Karen

457
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: Carpenter this week, right, And for those of you who

458
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: don't know who she is or you're too young. In

459
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three, Karen Carpenter was a singer and she

460
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: had a little band with her brother, not a little,

461
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: a big, huge, I don't know you call it a

462
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: band or a group. It just was her and her brother,

463
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: and I guess they had people playing other instruments too,

464
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: if that was a band. I mean, you know her songs,

465
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: the Christmas song, the Merry Christmas Darling is like a

466
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: big one. But what's the one from Shrek Top I'm

467
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 2: on the top of the world, you know.

468
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm on the top of the.

469
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: Okay, So, like most people know who she is if

470
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: you heard, if you heard one of her songs, and

471
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 2: it kind of like it kind of unfolded in front

472
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 2: of everyone's eyes. But nobody talked about eating disorders back

473
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: in the late seventies and early eighties, so it was

474
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: like people definitely were like, something's up with her, that

475
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: something sick, because you get this like skeleton looking appearance.

476
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: And in interviews, she said that she started off at

477
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: so she's five foot five and said she was one

478
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five pounds, and she always considered herself

479
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: to be like a chunky teenager, which I'm pretty sure

480
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: anybody listening right now is like, that's just a normal

481
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: that's considered a normal weight.

482
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: One hundred and forty five, five foot five. Yeah, that's

483
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I consider like real scary for me. Yeah,

484
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: that's what I weighed on my wag day exactly. You're like,

485
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: that's like my ideal weight. Oh my god.

486
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: So so one hundred and forty five pounds, and then so

487
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 2: that's what she said, she was chunky, and but like

488
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: if you do her BMI, she's within normal limits. So

489
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: like there's she wasn't considered overweight or obese at that

490
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: at that particular weight, but then over the course of

491
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: the next couple of years, it's like she went on

492
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: some extreme diet and went down the one hundred and

493
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: twenty pounds and then next time you saw her she

494
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: was ninety pounds and then at her lowest she was

495
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: seventy eight pounds. So like people saw it on TV

496
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: because she performed live and on TV all the time,

497
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: and but like nobody nobody knew what was happening. And

498
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, like she she dies. She

499
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: she was super young, right, so they you know, going

500
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: in her history and looking at it and finally trying

501
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: to bring awareness to it and stuff. It's just like, oh,

502
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: like she went on these extreme diets and then she

503
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: didn't lose enough weight, so then she started abusing laxatives.

504
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: They were saying she was taking up the ninety pills

505
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: a day sometimes. She started taking certain medications to make

506
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: her throw up, which is actually what caused her because

507
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: it's toxic to the cardiac muscle.

508
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: That's what caused her death.

509
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: But just like the extreme malnutrition, the wasting away, like

510
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: it wastes away your your muscles, and it wastes away

511
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: eventually you'll start wasting away your heart muscle as well.

512
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: So like I'm writing this up and then I'm looking

513
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: at Kelly Osborne the same way, Like before her dad died,

514
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: she probably was taking the shot. Like I don't want

515
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: to say that she was because I don't know, but

516
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: she probably was because she she's always struggled with being

517
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: what she would consider to be a little chunky, even

518
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: though most people are like, that's just what she looks like.

519
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: But we know that her mom takes it. Her mom

520
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: is admitted to taking it and having a problem with

521
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: actually losing too much weight and not being able to

522
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: put it back on. That's what her mother said years ago.

523
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: So now she possibly could have been taking it for this,

524
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 2: but then all the stuff started going down with her

525
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: dad and he started getting sick and then he died,

526
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: like it was like a boom boom boom. And now

527
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: that we've seen her post his death, you're like, Okay,

528
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: this is like all these comments of people saying she

529
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: looks old and she's taking ozempic, Like it's far beyond

530
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: her taking ozempic at this point, Like she's she's having

531
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: like full on kikectic look malnutrition anorexia, like and like

532
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: any medical profession looking at her is just like, oh

533
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: my god, this is.

534
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: So scary for her.

535
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: No, not making fun of her, just concerned, Like I'm

536
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: scared she's gonna end up being like Karen Carpenter. Like

537
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how tall Kylie Osborne is, but she

538
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: looks like she weighs under one hundred pounds.

539
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Now she's so frail. She yeah, look it up right now,

540
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: that's the thing. That's the thing. Like she's she's slamming

541
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: people criticizing her appearance. And I understand that like in

542
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: any world we could live. In any world we live,

543
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: and we can be like people should not be going

544
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: on other people's instagrams and leaving comments that say, you

545
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: look like a dead body, Like it's just it's unnecessary, right,

546
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: But like we've surpassed a point of her just looking

547
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: thin and people calling her out, Like we also can't

548
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: just stand by and watch somebody deteriorate before our eyes

549
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: and not say anything. I think I said this on

550
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: YouTube on Friday, like cause we were talking about something similar,

551
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: like people were criticizing Emma Stone or something for her appearance,

552
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think she just is that thin,

553
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: and she's always been that thin. I didn't think she

554
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: looked that concerning, but like with Catherine O'Hara, for example,

555
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: people on social media were like, I didn't even realize

556
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: she was sick. I just thought she was on nozembic, which, like,

557
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: think about that statement, right, All these people are taking

558
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: these drugs and looking sickly that when there is a

559
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: person that actually has cancer and is sick, it's not

560
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: standing out to somebody.

561
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I one of the things that is bothering

562
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: me about the Kelly Osbourne thing is is kind of

563
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: the opposite when I when she just posted the most

564
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: recent pictures number one, like I personally feel that she

565
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: should have people in her life, stylist and stuff that

566
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't put her. She was wearing like a like a

567
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: tank top type of dress that really showed, you know,

568
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: her bones and her upper chest and her collar bones.

569
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: It just makes.

570
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: It and her back and you could see her ribs

571
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: through her skin and everything. Like, maybe try to cover

572
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: her up a little so it's not so obvious with

573
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: a longer sleeve dress or something like that.

574
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think she thinks she has a problem,

575
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: So maybe she does have people All times.

576
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: She does because she's she's fighting back and saying like

577
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: clearly like I'm going through something and I don't think

578
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: it's right to go like she knows, she knows something's up.

579
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Well, this is another point I want to make too, Like,

580
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, whether it's right or not,

581
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: you're a public figure and you're putting yourself out there

582
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: by posting pictures of you looking like this and going

583
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: to award shows accentuating these new new features on your body.

584
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: Of course people are gonna say something. It's just the

585
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: world we live in. So like, I'm not saying whether

586
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: that's right or wrong. That's just the world we live in.

587
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: But why, I guess what I'm concerned is why when

588
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: I go underneath her picture she posts, are there so

589
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: many people that are telling her that she looks great

590
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: and beautiful? Cause that's what's really That's what's really bothering me,

591
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: because from a strictly medical perspective, I'm just like, she's

592
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: sick and needs help, and nobody should be encouraging this

593
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: at all. Like it's not about the way she looks,

594
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: it's about.

595
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: Well, there's trials and then there's enablers, right, So like

596
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: we live in this world where there's both, and like

597
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: I understand there's people that want to be nice and

598
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: people should be nicer her, but we should not be

599
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: encouraging this.

600
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: And I think like you're right with like Emma Stone

601
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: has always been a thin person. Demimore too, but she

602
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: looked terrible to me, just like terribly terribly skinny.

603
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: Just too.

604
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: It's like there was another model that was going viral,

605
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: one of the hidid people were on the going viral

606
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: in a video.

607
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: This week too, and I'm just like, these people.

608
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: Like are really really really thin, Like it's why are

609
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: we so extreme?

610
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: Like it was just like everybody was supposed to be

611
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: obese a couple of years ago, and now it's like, oh,

612
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: let's go in the complete opposite direction.

613
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: And now everybody is is like do you how often

614
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: do you really see like actors and stuff that are

615
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: just kind of like normal that might have a gut,

616
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: like might just like what you see in the general

617
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: population all the time.

618
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: It's just nuts you don't. And I guess that was

619
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the argument, like in that America's Next

620
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: Top Model thing, for example, I know you watched it

621
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: over the weekend. We didn't talk about what you thought

622
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: about it, but I think they were trying to point

623
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: out like that's just a fashion industry and like to

624
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: some extent like it is. But we just live in

625
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: a very different world than we did even twenty years ago,

626
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, the way we see body types.

627
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean I hope I could just assume

628
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: that Calli Osborne. I mean, she's got money and resources.

629
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: I don't think she's not gonna go to.

630
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: All these shows because they're all like it's a lot

631
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: of pressure because her dad's getting all of these awards

632
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: and honors and stuff, and like she has to go,

633
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: like it's she's like the face of.

634
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: That brand and that family.

635
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: But I don't I just hope that they're trying to

636
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: get some kind of help for her. That's all like, yeah,

637
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: because I don't want to see what happened to Karen

638
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: Carpenter happen. I mean with Karen Carpenter, it was different

639
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: because it was the it was the early eighties, and

640
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: her her people were going to her parents and telling

641
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: them to get help and they But back then it

642
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, you only go to a psychiatrist

643
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: or a psychologist if you are crazy in quotes. Yeah,

644
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: and now it's like no, this is this is like

645
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: a legit medical disorder and mental disorder and you need

646
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: to get help for it. So and you could see

647
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: like the like the death of her dad is a

648
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: huge deal. He's like her whole identity on top of

649
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: being like this loved person, And I mean you could

650
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: see why why it would be like eating a white hirr,

651
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

652
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Speaker 1: No, And that's what I understand what she's saying, Like

653
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Speaker 1: she's she has immense grief and that's affecting her. And

654
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Speaker 1: I understand that one hundred percent. But I'm like, you

655
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Speaker 1: can't just let that consume your whole life. Like at

656
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Speaker 1: some point, if it's making you unhealthy, you have to

657
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Speaker 1: address it, you know what.

658
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Speaker 2: Actually, one of my friends that I used to work with,

659
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: this kind of happened to her, Like her dad got

660
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Speaker 2: diagnosed with cancer, just diagnosed. He's still alive, by the way,

661
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: and this was twenty years ago almost he got diagnosed,

662
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Speaker 2: and she like went down such a rabbit hole about

663
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Speaker 2: it that she started like losing a lot of weight

664
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Speaker 2: and not eating and just coming into work like looking

665
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Speaker 2: like she hadn't taken a shower of brush her hair

666
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Speaker 2: for a couple of days, and like it really really

667
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Speaker 2: affected her and it was crazy to sit back and

668
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Speaker 2: watch it and just be like, Yo, he's gonna be

669
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Speaker 2: all right, dude, just like RelA, you know, just like

670
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: sometimes people just you can't talk to them and just

671
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: make them feel better about it. They're like convinced. I mean,

672
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: in her case, the dad did die, but sometimes it

673
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: just triggers stuff that maybe she wasn't really ready to handle.

674
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Speaker 2: I feel like he was saying, they were saying that

675
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Speaker 2: he had this diagnosis of Parkinson's and stuff before he died,

676
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Speaker 2: but maybe they weren't quite ready for it. How it

677
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Speaker 2: went down so fast, and that's what's putting her into this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hard to tell. This episode is

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704
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Speaker 1: All right, So police got a call about a possible

705
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Speaker 1: sexual assault of a fourteen year old girl at an

706
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: apartment building. They get there and find this girl is

707
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: pregnant with twins, and now they're investigating whether the pregnancy

708
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: was the result of a sexual assault or if the

709
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: mother was possibly using her as a surrogate. The mom

710
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: said to police that she desperately wanted to have siblings,

711
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: but she said that she would not allow her boyfriend

712
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: to have sex with the daughter, and the mom couldn't

713
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: carry any more kids, but really wanted kids with the boyfriend.

714
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: So like, I mean, either way, this is this is

715
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Speaker 1: messed up.

716
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Is she just trying to cover for the fact that

717
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: he raped her and and got her pregnant, and it's

718
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: just trying to say, like, oh, she really she just

719
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: wanted to carry the baby to get like a lesser

720
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Speaker 2: charge or something.

721
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, yeah, because they're so they're saying,

722
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Speaker 1: you're investigating if she was assaulted by the boyfriend or

723
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: if they used an alternative method such as her being

724
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: a surrogate, right, But like, how would they inseminate her themselves?

725
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: I guess I guess they have at home insemination kids.

726
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: So never mind, that is possible. But regardless, it's like

727
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: it's a child, child's child abuse either still assault of

728
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: some nature.

729
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: Yes, it one hundred percent. Is like so, now this

730
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: poor kid is fourteen years old and pregnant, so they're

731
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: her kids. She's pregnant with two babies now twins on

732
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: top of that, and now she just got taken away

733
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: from her her other sibling and her mother, So like cool,

734
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: she's in child protective services right now and pregnant with

735
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: twins and do this month like she's due very soon,

736
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: Like cool, really cool to induce on your child like that.

737
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know like how they would even really

738
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: prove and investigate this, Like obviously they're gonna do DNA

739
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: to see what if the if the baby's his, and.

740
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: Then if it is, like how did it get in there?

741
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: Because either way, like this is just a this is

742
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: just an unusual case because I'm sure there's not even

743
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: strict laws written about this because he didn't If it's

744
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: possible that he ejaculated into a cup and they inseminated

745
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: her in that way, it's still like, in my mind,

746
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: that's still sexual assault. And even if like let's say

747
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: the girl was willing to do this and admitted she

748
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: was willing to do this, it has to still be

749
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: considered some form of like statutory rape or like child abuse.

750
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't under I don't know how they would define

751
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: this necessarily, but it's not okay, she's fourteen years old.

752
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: She even if she even if her mother convinced her

753
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: that this was a good idea, and she said she

754
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: decided on her own to do it, Like she's fourteen,

755
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: she doesn't get to make those decisions.

756
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying, Like there is no adult

757
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: intervention in this whatsoever. They allowed it, And yeah, I

758
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: do think it's this crazy story the mom's making up.

759
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: But if it does turn out that they did some

760
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: type of like at home in semination with the boyfriend,

761
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: that is disgusting. It really is.

762
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Speaker 2: It's so sick, and you know, not to mention the

763
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: fact that a fourteen year old getting pregnant is actually

764
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: it's it's not even as safe as an adult getting pregnant,

765
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: Like it could be dangerous. There could be all these

766
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: sorts of complications with it. Pregnancy in itself is not

767
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: like a benign condition that you're just like, oh yeah,

768
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: just cool, just do this. It puts a lot of

769
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: strength on your body. It can make your immune system

770
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 2: like less or compromised because you have your immuno suppression.

771
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: When you're pregnant, you have an increased blood flow, so

772
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Speaker 2: you're at an increase of any kind of like a

773
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: bleeding disorder or something like that, and it's just it's

774
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: just not it's not good that that she's been put

775
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: into this situation. And on top of that, when you

776
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: have a pregnancy with twins, you're at an even higher risk.

777
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: So they really put her life in danger doing this,

778
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: both physically and mentally.

779
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: And you're speaking about this as a teen mom yourself,

780
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: so like, well you understand what took on your eye?

781
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Speaker 1: I do.

782
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: I just I just think that this is like it's

783
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: just a messed up situation to put the kid in

784
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: and no matter what happened. I mean, I am really curious,

785
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: how like I would love to see the trial on

786
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: this and see how how they do it, because do

787
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: they have laws of impregnating a child underage that wasn't

788
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: through sexual penetration?

789
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Like it's a weird case. Well yeah, they said no

790
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: charges have been filed yet, but I'm wondering if that's

791
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: because they're really like what do we charge?

792
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: No, they have to wait for the DNA because like

793
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: what if it's her teenage boyfriend, then like it's a

794
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: different story, like it's a nothing murger Like.

795
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, I don't know. The whole thing makes

796
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: me massively uncomfortable. And I don't like this, and it

797
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: just it always brings up the question just how do

798
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: people live and think this is okay?

799
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 2: I have another question, who has the smallest micro penis

800
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: in the world. Well, this man in North Carolina.

801
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: He's claiming he has the world's smallest penis at point

802
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: three eight inches, and he's challenging the world to see

803
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: if anybody else is smaller than him.

804
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: So in the picture, he's holding up his pinky and

805
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: saying his penis is the size of his pinky fingernaw.

806
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: And that's and it gets smaller when it's flaccid, So

807
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: that's like when it's a wreck.

808
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: That's how big it is. We talked about this guy

809
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: on YouTube Live before, and at first I was like

810
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: just so baffled, like why would you publicly come forward

811
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: with this information, knowing the way the internet is and

812
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: how people are going to make fun of you. But

813
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: I do think he's trying to bring some awareness to

814
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: having a micro penis, and I guess, like I could

815
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: see it from that perspective that he's trying to take

816
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: away the stigma of it because it really does affect

817
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: his life.

818
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they say that zero point six percent

819
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: of the population has it, So it's not I mean,

820
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: it's rare, but it's not that no one has it.

821
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: So and if you're a man growing up with a

822
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: condition like that, I guess it. I think that it

823
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: is good to bring awareness to it. Because he can't

824
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: have like penetrative sex. He's essentially like like almost like

825
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: female like he has to like can he has to

826
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: like I don't know what the proper word to say

827
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: is to have to have sexual pleasure. He can't penetrate.

828
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: It's like two vaginas rubbin together kind of like yeah.

829
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: But he does I wonder if he I'm I don't

830
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: really know the dynamics of this anatomically, but I wonder

831
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: if like, well, he.

832
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: Has I'm sure he has testicles, and everything's normal, except

833
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: except it looks like more like he has like a

834
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: big clotsorus rather than an actual penis, Like that's what

835
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: it looks like. It's just it's just a really small, small,

836
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: small micro penis, like as it says, so he can't

837
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: get he can have orgasm and stuff, it's just not

838
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: in the typical way that a man does, Like you

839
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: have to just do other stuff to it.

840
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's nothing he could do about this, right, Well, this,

841
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: so this was what I thought was interesting about this.

842
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: So this guy is thirty eight years old and said

843
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: he's recently been diagnosed with it. Why at thirty eight

844
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: years old, Like if this got diagnosed, which it should

845
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: have gotten diagnosed when he was a kid, if he

846
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: was given testosterone hormone, because that's what it is. It's

847
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: a problem during development, that's some kind of a hormonal

848
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: problem that it doesn't develop.

849
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: It could definitely, I don't know that it would ever

850
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: get normal, but it would definitely get a lot bigger

851
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: and maybe even functional with testosterone introduced. But like if

852
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: you don't get diagnosed till you're thirty eight and you're

853
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: already don puberty, like it's over. Like there's nothing they

854
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: can do about it now. I mean, I mean they

855
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: could do surgery like they do, like trans surgery or

856
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: something like that, but it's not gonna be you know,

857
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: like an actual native penis and working that way like

858
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: you would think, you know. So, I mean, I don't

859
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: know why it took so long. I could see that

860
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: he would probably be embarrassed or something as an adult,

861
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: but I don't know why there was no one as

862
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: a child that got that looked at.

863
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'm curious to see how this

864
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: challenge is gonna pan out and if anyone's gonna come forward.

865
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: So it so, a micro penis is considered anything less

866
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: than two point sixty seven inches, and his is like

867
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: not even half an inch, So I mean his is

868
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: significantly on the smaller end. And I think it was

869
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of funny actually that he was saying that he

870
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: was looking for Guinness Book of World Records to see,

871
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: like if there was a record of who had the

872
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: smallest one, but he said they don't do genitals like that,

873
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: but he and he also said that there's been you know,

874
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: contest and suffer who has the biggest one? So he's like, well,

875
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: I want to do who has the smallest one? So

876
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: don't you just feel like this is such a sensitive

877
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: topic for men, like if there is a person out

878
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: there with one smaller that they're actually going to come

879
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: forward publicly and admit that, Yeah, I don't think so maybe.

880
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: All right, onto your questions and emails. If you have

881
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: a question or a story for us, please submit it

882
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: to stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. Our first one is

883
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: from Jenna I wanted to comment on the booger wall.

884
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: As a mom of a six year old boy, I

885
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: do not understand how their wall got so big without notice.

886
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: But a few months ago my son yelled to me

887
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: after bedtime. This isn't unusual, as he has many stall

888
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: tactics for bedtime. It's not just my kids. But I

889
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: went in and he handed me a booger. I said, ow, dude,

890
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't want that, to which he commented, well, my

891
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: cracks are all full. Come to find out, he was

892
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: putting his boogers in the cracks of his barnboard wall

893
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: for god knows how long. He has a bunk bed

894
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: and sleeps on the top, so I couldn't really see

895
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: them well, but sure enough when I got up there

896
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: and look, the cracks were caked full of gross old

897
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: but oh my god. I had to use a butter

898
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: knife to get them out and lectured him on how

899
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: gross that is. I now took frequently to see if

900
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: he's still doing it. He is, but not. It's offt

901
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: This makes me really excited. What I sudden?

902
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: It's not just the sun, and trust me, I see them.

903
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: I don't have a wall, but sometimes I'll just like

904
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: it'll be on the pillowcase and I'm like, what is that?

905
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: And it's always like a bloody one, like a gross

906
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: huge and I'm just like, dude, like there's nothing else.

907
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: I put tissues next to her bat and I'm like,

908
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: could you just like grab one of these next time

909
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: and leave? If you don't want to clean it up,

910
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: that's fine, but just don't ruin your pillowcase. Like it's disgusting.

911
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: Something about boogers, Like I could see someone's hand cut

912
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: off and I'd pass out, but I could handle it.

913
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: When I see or hear about boogers, I want to

914
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: puke everywhere. It's like the only thing that makes me

915
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: feel like this. Well, I feel the same way. When

916
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: I used to work in microbiology, we used to get

917
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: speuwed them collection, which is like it's not just stuff

918
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: like you ever have the flu like recently, like anything

919
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: like that when you cough, like a deep cough and

920
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: that stuff comes up in your mouth. Yeah, it's that.

921
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, I couldn't deal it fluids and things I don't.

922
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like it wasn't like you know, if

923
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 2: you're walking up the street and you see someone spit

924
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: on the sidewalk and it's just like a foamy pile

925
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: of like white and foamy. No, this was like like deep,

926
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: like like lung cough, thick, viscous like and when people

927
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: have like weird infections too, it's just gross like tinged

928
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: with blood smells whatever.

929
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: And we used to have to get a sterile swab

930
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: and put it on a petri dish, right, so we

931
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: had to like like play with it with the swab.

932
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: No, and I it just like grossed me out so much,

933
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: and I'm just like I would do poop and you're in.

934
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: It was like no other fluid grossed me out. But

935
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: the sputum was just like seriously so nasty, like sometimes

936
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: they had like chunks ough. I still think about it.

937
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: It's disgusting.

938
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: Dude. It's like Ricky I call them dinosaur buggers, Like

939
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: he just has the biggest boogies I've ever seen in

940
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: my life, and like they just make me want to

941
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: drop dead. I see them any anything else, I don't

942
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: want to see it. He just showed me a massive

943
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: one he pulled out the other day and it was like, oh, good,

944
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: th up.

945
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: All well men have, Like like sometimes I look at

946
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: Gabe's nostrils, and I'm like, his nostril is like ten

947
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: times wider than my.

948
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: No, I'm like, why is it so big? Like what's

949
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,959
Speaker 1: happening up there? I was like, are you not sick?

950
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: And he's like, they just look like this all the time,

951
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: and they have since I was a little kid. So

952
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: I hope this is not like something getting passed out

953
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: because I really can't handle you. All right? What next?

954
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: There's another? Is there another question? I seriously want to

955
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: be like, I know I'm gonna puke everywhere. You know.

956
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: Next is from Sabrina. How often do you meet someone

957
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: who thinks human blood is blue and not red? I

958
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: have met several people, maybe five so far. These people

959
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: are forty plus years in age. They believe that blood

960
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: is blue. My brother in law is one of them.

961
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: He's a geologist, and his belief was that it is

962
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: blue and the body and turns red once it's oxidized.

963
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: Where are people getting this from? I don't know.

964
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: I've heard that a lot too. I mean, technically, your

965
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: blood does change color depending on if it's in the

966
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: venus part of the body or the arterial part of

967
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: the body. So when it has so when it's in

968
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: an artery. That means that it has oxygen and it's

969
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: bringing oxygen to all of your body parts, so it's

970
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: that's what you think of, like very bright red. And

971
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 2: then when it goes through the venous system, so it's

972
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: like after the blood gets or the oxygen gets delivered

973
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: to all the organs and it's going back to the

974
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: heart and lungs to grab more oxygen, it turns a

975
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: darker color because it doesn't have oxygen binded to the

976
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: hemoglobin anymore. So sometimes, like I could see why people

977
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: think that, because if you have a condition called cyanosis

978
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 2: or something which can present in lots of different ways,

979
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: you could see it on your fingertips, or you could

980
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: see it on the lips, or you could see it

981
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: in the head in some cases, like where the skin

982
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: looks blue when a person's having like a lack of oxygen,

983
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: Like maybe that's where it comes from, because their skin

984
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: does look blue because there's a lack of oxygen in

985
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: the blood. That's the only thing that I could think

986
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 2: where it happened. But the only reason that people really

987
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: think that is because they might have looked at anatomy

988
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: charts and saw that there's red blood vessels and blue

989
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: blood vessels, and they just think that the blood and

990
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: the blue ones is blue, and the blood and the

991
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: red ones is red.

992
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: I guess, like I don't know where the cross is.

993
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: But interesting, there's trusted me.

994
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: Like I've been inside of every aspect of a body,

995
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: and like even before it's exposed to oxygen, you know,

996
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: if you just make a tiny little hole, the blood

997
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: starts pouring out. Sometimes if someone had a bleed or something.

998
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: It's always red. It's different shades of red, but it's

999
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: always red. It's never blue.

1000
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: All right. Last question, is there a certain family tradition

1001
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: you're excited to share with your son? I mean, yeah,

1002
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for Christmas time this year. I mean

1003
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: even though he's only going to be like six months

1004
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: old and not understand anything, like it'll be he's not

1005
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: gonna understand anything for like three years. No totally, but

1006
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: like I'm excited to bring him to like Phillies games,

1007
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: what we which is what we do every summer. I'm

1008
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: excited to take him to do all the Christmas stuff obviously,

1009
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: Like my favorite family tradition we do is we see

1010
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: the Nutcracker every year. I think we're gonna keep that

1011
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: a girl's only event. Probably, It's like, I don't think

1012
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be it.

1013
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: You know, you know that Gabe secretly wants to go

1014
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: and he he I'm just like, you can't go. Sorry,

1015
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: I think he he would like it, though.

1016
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: I I think Gabe would like it too, but I'm like,

1017
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to make him sit through a two

1018
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: hour ballet, and I don't want my two hour ballet

1019
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: ruined for me, So like he could spend the day

1020
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: with his dad and Biscatti on that day that we're

1021
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: at the Nutcracker, but otherwise, yeah, like I mean, I

1022
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: feel like I'm just excited for him to just do

1023
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: the stuff we've always been doing. And obviously it's gonna

1024
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: be different because we've only ever had girls, but it'll

1025
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: be fun to create new traditions as well. Do you

1026
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: when do you think we have to start buying him

1027
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: a Phillies ticket? That's what I want to know. I

1028
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: think when I think you're supposed to when they're two light,

1029
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: well you could push that to like four, but yeah, exactly,

1030
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: like many of my friends have waited till their kids

1031
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: were like three, at least three or four. Yeah, maybe

1032
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: honest five, depending how small.

1033
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: That would Yeah, I would just do it until it's

1034
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: not like you're going to have a super huge kid,

1035
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: so like, let's just try to push it as long

1036
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: as possible. Yeah, I think we have some time and

1037
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: we could probably we could probably push it a little bit.

1038
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: How are they gonna know? It's not like babies of

1039
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: little drivers license exactly. But game changer is I think

1040
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: you're allowed to bring a full stroller and diaper bag

1041
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: in there, so like we can carry anything. Now, Oh

1042
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: that is good, Maybe a cooler full of fizzies. This time,

1043
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: we'll get back to a cooler full of contraband fizzies.

1044
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: All the hot in the world for the hot dog?

1045
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: Who are I sank ga? No listen?

1046
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: I bought him a hot dog steam machine for Christmas,

1047
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: and I'm going to make like ten hot dogs and

1048
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: just bring them in tinfoil. I'm gonna get like a

1049
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 2: like a a pouch that will keep them insulated and warm.

1050
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: The hot dogs that the game suck, They ruined it.

1051
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 2: They put them in first. They put them into plastic

1052
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: boxes so it doesn't get wrapped up with the foil

1053
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: that like helps to keep the roll soggy. And the

1054
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 2: and like you know, it like steams itself in there

1055
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: and then.

1056
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: Possible to carry. And I don't want my shit in

1057
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: like that much plastic like that. They're impossible to carry,

1058
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: and it's making a shit ton of trash. Like I

1059
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: don't really understand why they did that. I don't understand

1060
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: it either. I sank Gabe that I was gonna buy

1061
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: him this little onesie that had hot dogs. He thought

1062
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 1: it was pretty cute. And now he's made best friends

1063
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: with those hot dog people that own that stores. Oh god, yeah,

1064
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: all right, hot dog core. All right, guys, we have

1065
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: our event coming up in just a couple of weeks

1066
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: in Horsesham, Pennsylvania for the Center for Forensic Science Research

1067
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: and Education. That's gonna be on April tenth and eleventh.

1068
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: There will be a discount for grocery members to attend

1069
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: the event, so we're gonna have that information up this week,

1070
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: so you guys.

1071
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're gonna have a live Mother Knows Death

1072
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 2: episode and I'm gonna.

1073
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: Do a separate lecture and there will be guest speakers TBD,

1074
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: so we will announce those once we know. We're gonna

1075
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: try to surprise you guy as much as possible. I

1076
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Speaker 1: think you're gonna really love everybody that's gonna be there.

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Speaker 2: Bye guys, thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.

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Speaker 2: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.

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Speaker 2: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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Speaker 2: and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I

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Speaker 2: people based on my experience working in pathology, so they

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Speaker 2: can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.

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Speaker 2: Always remember that science is changing every day and the

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Speaker 2: opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge

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Speaker 2: of those subjects at the time of publication. If you

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Speaker 1: Thanks M.