1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Blood on the Tracks is the production of I Heart 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Radio and Double Elvis. Phil Spector was a musical genius, 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: one of the most successful record producers of all time. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: He's now sitting behind bars, serving a nineteen years to 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: life sentence for murder. This is his story told by 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: his so called friends. This is Special Agent Paul Ramone 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: with the Federal Bureau of Investigation work in case number 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: double oh four Dash ten Dash seven one nine case 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: subject to Specter Philip Harvey. This information pertains to appear 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: at ending February two thousand nine. Interview subject to Specter 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: phil Interview number six Dash six six dash oh four 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: one dash three zero nine Recall number ten March first, 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. What I want to know is, how 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: can somebody who gave his whole life to music, who 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: made such fucking great records, and you know I did, 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: You've admitted I did. How could they have hated me? 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: How could they still hate me? They don't understand me? 18 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: How could they have hated me? How could they hate 19 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: somebody whose records are filled with so much love and 20 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: not only love, but honesty and so much pure fucking talent, 21 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: But nobody wants to talk about any of that when 22 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: they talk about me. The only thing anyone thinks of 23 00:01:49,440 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: when they think about me is the blood on the tracks. Yeah. 24 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: Chapter ten, Phil Specter and Phil Specter. I think rage 25 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: is what comes out when you're disrespected, and rage is 26 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: what makes you better. I wasn't respected like Gershwin or Berlin, 27 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: and that lack of respect just build up the anger 28 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: and rage inside of me made me do better. It's 29 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: what made Miles Davis do better. Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, 30 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Duke Ellington, all those people did better because they were disrespected. 31 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: They took that disrespect and they put it direct lee 32 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: into their music, into their art. That's what makes their 33 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: music art. Look at Tony Bennett. Tony Bennett was the 34 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: biggest cocaine addict in the nineteen sixties. Tony Bennett and 35 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: cocaine were like peanut butter and jelly in the nineteen sixties. 36 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: And then years later he cleans up his act and 37 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: nobody talks about his past drug addictions. Nobody treats him 38 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: with disrespect. But anytime someone talks about Miles Davis, they 39 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: talk about the drug problems, even if the drug problems 40 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: were long behind him. Look at Woody Allen. Woody Allen 41 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: will always be a pervert, no matter what else he's done. 42 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: He'll always be scarred because he married his daughter, even 43 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: though she's not his daughter, she's his adopted daughter. But 44 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: that's always on the public's mind because the public doesn't 45 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: like him, and the public doesn't like me. If they 46 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: like you, they won't talk about those things. It's just 47 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: the way it goes. If they don't like you, if 48 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: they think we've done something wrong, they'll screw you. The media, 49 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: the police. That's how the media works, that's how the 50 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: police work. It's a mob mentality, and you gotta put 51 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: energy into living it down. Look at the Beatles tapes, 52 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: the Let It Be tapes. They weren't cared for, they 53 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: were not guarded. I found them like someone finds trash 54 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: in a dumpster, and I made something out of those tapes. 55 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: I turned that pile of trash into a commercial success. 56 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: They went straight to number one. But look how they 57 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: treat me, how they talk about me, like I was 58 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: the one who sucked it all up. Now did George 59 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: Martin touch those tapes? He didn't have anything to do 60 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: with those tapes. He wanted to be as far from 61 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: them as possible. But look how they treat George Martin. 62 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: He was made as Sir. Paul McCartney. He was made 63 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: as Sir. Elton John was made to serve. Bob Dylan 64 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: got an honorary degree from a college. Buddy Holly was 65 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: given a stamp. Now, I love Buddy Holly, but he 66 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: only lived three years in rock and roll. I've been 67 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: around a lot longer than that, and I've made more 68 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: of an impact. You've got to have some perspective, But 69 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: who has time for perspective when it's so much easier 70 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: to jump to a predetermined conclusion. A conclusion where Buddy 71 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: Holly is a saint and Phil Specter is a problem. 72 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: Buddy Holly was no saint. I can tell you that 73 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: Elton John was no saint. I don't need a stamp necessarily, 74 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: but a little respect would go a long way. I've 75 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: done more for music than any of those people. I've 76 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: at least done as much as they have his whole life. 77 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: But see, that's what I'm talking about. And it's not 78 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: just disrespect either. It's misunderstanding. It's the plight of the 79 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: miss understood, the misseen. I've always been misunderstood from a 80 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: very early age. I realized early on that I was 81 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: a loner in school. I was different. We were poor. 82 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Everyone else was middle or upper class. I wasn't popular, 83 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: wasn't part of any clique. I took that lack of respect, 84 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: that lack of respect that I felt from a very 85 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: young age, and I made myself better. I don't understand. 86 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: I helped the football players with their homework so that 87 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: they could pass their classes and stay on the team, 88 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: and in return, they offered me protection. I've always found 89 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: that protection comforting but also necessary, necessary because I would 90 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: continue to be misunderstood throughout my life, and it helped 91 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: me keep those who wanted to disrespect or mistreat me 92 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: at arm's length. Having bodyguards follow your around as a statement, 93 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: it's a statement that says I would like to be 94 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: left alone. Everyone else in school were a bunch of 95 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: losers anyway. None of them challenged society or dared to 96 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: be different. I was the only one who was different, 97 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: and I had to protect that. French When I first 98 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: broke into show business with the Teddy Bears in I 99 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: was still misunderstood. I should have seen it coming as 100 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: early as that first saw to know him is to 101 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: love him. I should have seen the writing on the wall, 102 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: because no one knew what it was about. Everyone just 103 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: thought it was some gooey love song, some puppy dog 104 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: love song that Annette sang. Of course they did. The 105 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: whole world was just like my high school class losers. 106 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: Nobody's they didn't get it. They don't understand. Nobody knew 107 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: that that song was about my father, that it was 108 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: about death, that it was a love song to someone 109 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: in the Great yawned. That kind of tragedy leaves a scar. 110 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: When your father blows his head open, that's not funny. 111 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: I was just nine when he took his own life. 112 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: He sat in the front seat of his car back 113 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, connected a tube to the exhaust, put the 114 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: tube in the window, and just swam in it. And 115 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: that's what was on his tombstone. To know him is 116 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: to love him. The pain is always there. It's a constant. 117 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: To hurt is a natural phenomenon, especially for an artist. 118 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: Da Vinci felt pain. Wagner felt pain. I feel pain, 119 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: but I don't get depressed. I don't allow myself to 120 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: get depressed. It's a waste of emotion. I envy the 121 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: little old lady who sits in front of the TV 122 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: set and believes who praise and believe She'll go to 123 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: he event and says, Amen, just believes it all. I'd 124 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: like to believe I resent her and I'm jealous of her. 125 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: I wish I believed the way that George Harrison believed. 126 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: I recorded My Sweet Lord with him, and I convinced 127 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: myself in that moment that I believed you have to 128 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: you have to to make it authentic. That's why I 129 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: was different from other producers special Most producers just interpret. 130 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: I would create. It was like what Da Vinci did 131 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: when he approached a canvas, he would turn himself over 132 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: to it. Now on the flip side, I also recorded 133 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: God with John Lennon, which was about not believing, not 134 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: believing in anything other than yourself. You see, it was 135 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: the complete opposite of George's record, and I approached that 136 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: the same way I approached My Sweet Lord. I was 137 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: there to create, to make something that people would be 138 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: in awe for years to come, and it didn't matter 139 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: what I believe. I wish I believe that God would 140 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: look after me the way I've been disrespected misunderstood in 141 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: my life. I think it's obvious that if there is 142 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: a God, he's not looking out for me at all. 143 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: And like John, I only believe in myself. That doesn't 144 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: bring me much comfort. In fact, it scares me to death. 145 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: It scares me to death because I may not believe 146 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: in God, but I know there's a devil. You want 147 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: to talk about lack of respect, Let's talk about the police. 148 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Los Angeles Police Department, the Alhambra 149 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Police Department. I said it before with Lenny Bruce, and 150 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: I'll say it again with me. The police are too 151 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: much an overdose of police. They walk the s S walk. 152 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: They rule with an iron fucking fist. That's how they 153 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: treat people like me and people like Lenny, people who 154 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: are different, people who stand up and say what they 155 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: think and what they believe. They take it too far. 156 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: They take it too far with people who have never 157 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: given any indication that they believe themselves to be above 158 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: the law, people who put their money where their mouth is. 159 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: The last time I checked, this was a free country, 160 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: is it not. I can say what I want and 161 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: print what I want. I'm not breaking the laws. I 162 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: didn't make any friends with the police over the years, 163 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: going back all the way to when Lenny died and 164 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: I paid for all those full page ads in Billboard 165 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: and cash box, and then I had a few run 166 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: ins with them over the years, the Beverly Hills Hotel 167 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: and the Daisy Club and all that, all misunderstandings again, 168 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: and I had a license to carry the gun. But see, 169 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: that's how they decide, How they preemptively decide that they 170 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: don't like you, that you are one of the bad ones, 171 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: and then they disrespect you. They beat Miles Davis in 172 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: the head until he bled while he was smoking a 173 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: cigarette outside bird Land between sets at his own gig. 174 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: They had already decided that they didn't like him because 175 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: he was black, because he was a musician, because he 176 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: was in their way on the sidewalk, just smoking a cigarette. 177 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: The cops who came to my home would as a castle. 178 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: By the way, the cops who came to my home 179 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: on the morning of February third, two thousand three, were 180 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: the same way. Sixteen cops, sixteen al Hambra cops showed 181 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: up on my doorstep. We had called for a paramedic. 182 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: We had a lady who was injured in the foyer 183 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: of my home and needed a paramedic. But did they 184 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: send a paramedic. No, they sent sixteen cops who wanted 185 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: to interrogate me on the stairs outside my home. And meanwhile, 186 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: this girl has slumped lifeless across the chair and my foyer. 187 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: Was she alive? Was she dead? I didn't know, and 188 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: they didn't know either, because they were wasting time arguing 189 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: with me outside. I'm not a paramedic. They argued with 190 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: me for forty five minutes before they came inside. And 191 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: when they did come inside, they came inside like animals. 192 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: They were drunken animals. How do I know that they 193 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: weren't drunk? No, I never read the cops the Riot 194 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: Act that day the way they read it to me. 195 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: They came in barnstorming. There were stormtroopers. They were fucking gestapo. 196 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: I'm five ft five, barely forty pounds. They knocked me down, 197 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: They broke my nose, they gave me two black eyes, 198 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: they cracked my spine, and then they tasered me with 199 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: fifty volts of electricity. They knocked me down on the 200 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: floor of my own home, and we were still waiting 201 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: for the paramedics. They could have saved her, obviously, a 202 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: terrible mistakes, but it's not terribly supposing that he could 203 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: make such a mistake. Mist And what about her. I 204 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: had just met her that night. She didn't even know 205 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: who I was. At first. I barely knew anything about her. 206 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: All I knew was what she had told me during 207 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: the few hours we were together that night. I knew 208 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: she was an actress, though I don't think I had 209 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: ever seen any of her movies. But I don't know 210 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: if she was depressed. Like I said before, I don't 211 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: let myself get depressed, so I don't know that I 212 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: would know if I saw it. And again, to hurt 213 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: is a natural phenomenon, so maybe she was hurting in 214 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: that moment. I don't know if she meant to take 215 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: her own life or if it was an accident. She 216 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: was intoxicated when I first met her. She took an 217 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: open bottle of tequila with her from the House of 218 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: Blues to the car. She was taking vicodin. She must 219 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: have hurt. I know her. People have said the opposite 220 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: about me, that I don't have any sympathy or empathy. 221 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: They've said horrible things about me about how I treated them, 222 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: How did I treat Ronnie so poorly. I loved Ronnie. 223 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: I gave her everything away. I welcomed these people into 224 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: my house. Debbie Harry, Leonard Cohne, the Ramons, Tina Turner. 225 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: I had them all to the Big House on La Collina, 226 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: Mikasa Sukasa. I saved the Beatles. I got John and 227 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: George back on their feet when the Beatles broke up. 228 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: You're just shooting talking. How could they have hated me? 229 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: How can they still hate me? How could they hate 230 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: somebody whose records were filled with so much love before? 231 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: All these people were confused. I think Adriana was confused 232 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: that morning, the morning of February three, I think he 233 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: was confused, and he was in shock. It's hard to 234 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: understand what he says half the time. The kids from Brazil, 235 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, and he still has a ways to go 236 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: before he masters the English language. He saw me come 237 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: out of the house and I was visibly upset. Sure 238 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: I was holding the revolver. There was blood. There had 239 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: been a terrible accident. We were in the foyer, me 240 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: and Lana. I held the gun, she held the gun. 241 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: At some point the gun went off. What else is 242 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: there to tell you? I'm sure I wasn't making any sense. 243 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: When I walked outside to talk to Adriano. The regular 244 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: guy Dylan. Now, maybe he would have understood what I 245 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: was saying better if he had been there, Maybe he 246 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: would have told the cops something different than all of 247 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: this would have been different. But whatever I said to Adriana, 248 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: I can't even remember what I said. I think he 249 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: just misheard what I said and had a hard time 250 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: communicating that to the authorities. You just aren't in your 251 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: right mind in that kind of situation. None of us are. 252 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: It's a shock to the system. You can't think straight. 253 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: I can't talk straight. It was my word against everyone 254 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: else's words. It had always been my word against everyone else's. 255 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: Maybe that's where the word genius comes from, the gene 256 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: in us. What can I say? I wasn't like everybody else. 257 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this word word word. You 258 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: know somebody wants. Asked me a question. I said, Philip, 259 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: aren't you lonely in this big house? All those rooms 260 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: to roam around in? Damn must be lonely. And you 261 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: know what I said, I said, you ever live in 262 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: one room very lonely? Just you in the bathroom, man, 263 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: you in the sink you in the toilet. Loneliness is 264 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: a state of mind. You know what's lonely? Feeling like 265 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: you're the only one on your side. Lonely is having 266 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: no control over your fate. My fate is in the 267 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: hands of twelve people who voted for George Bush. What 268 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: kind of justice is that the jurors filled out this 269 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: questionnaire of them said I was guilty from the get go, 270 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: from said I'm insane, and the judge hates me. How 271 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: is that justice? It's rigged. The whole system is rigged. 272 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: The cops had their mind made up before they even 273 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: walked into my house the castle that morning. The jury 274 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: had their minds it up, the judge, the press, the media. 275 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: How could they hate somebody whose records are filled so 276 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: much love and so much pure fucking talent. You probably 277 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: have your mind made up, but you don't even know. 278 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: You haven't even tried to know. They don't understand. I 279 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: lost my father when I was nine, man, I learned 280 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: about true loneliness before anyone should. I lost my father, 281 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: I lost Philip Jr. Wife after wife left me, I 282 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: lost John to that lunatic. What about my loss? Doesn't 283 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: that count for something? And the friends that I thought 284 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: I had, were they even friends to begin with? I 285 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: mean ship Man, When I Turner was down on his luck, 286 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: when they put him in prison in Coke, who visited 287 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: him in prison? Who did? I did? Motherfucker shore? And 288 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: when he got out, who helped him get on his 289 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: feet financially? And he's going to talk about me not 290 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: paying for his cab to come to a party. When 291 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: Darlene Love was cleaning houses and trying to make ends meet, 292 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: when she was desperate and had no one to go to, 293 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: no one to help, who helped her? Who helped her 294 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: pay her rent for a year? Man? That was me? 295 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: That was me? And now this poor woman's life has 296 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: ended accidentally or on purpose, we'll never know. It ended 297 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: in the foyer of my castle. And all the fingers 298 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: of all these people, these people that I helped, your Lord, 299 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: all these fingers are pointed at me. It's convenient for 300 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: them to forget about everything else. They all need someone 301 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: to be the pats here. I'm there, Patsy. Apparently I'm 302 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: the guide. And so they spread these rumors, and that's 303 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: what they are. Rumors, Rumors about my character, rumors about 304 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: my actions and my impulses. They spread these rumors to 305 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: make themselves feel better and to drag my name through 306 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: the mud. They're all rewriting history, that's what they're doing. 307 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: They're rewriting history so that years down the road, when 308 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: people talk about Phil Specter, people are only going to 309 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: talk about this awful thing that happened in my home, 310 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: about how I'm a bully. How can somebody whose records 311 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: are so They aren't going to talk about you've lost 312 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: that love and feeling, or imagine, or about he's a rebel. 313 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: They're not honesty. They're not going to talk about how 314 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: I pioneered a revolution in pop music. I was the 315 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: bridge between Elvis and the beatles Man. That's what John said. 316 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: Pure talent. I was twenty when I made my first 317 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: number one record. I created a new sound, a new 318 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: way to make records. That kind of person doesn't just 319 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: come along every day because they don't know that kind 320 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: of person. You see the police, the district attorney, the judge, 321 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: even the jury man. They've never been around that kind 322 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: of person before. They wouldn't know a musical genius from Adam. 323 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: They don't understand. Most of them are so young that 324 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: the whole era is lost on them. They don't recognize 325 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: the songs. But you know what kind of person these 326 00:23:53,840 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: people all know, an evil person, murderers, the eves, monsters, 327 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: the district attorney and the judge and the police. They're 328 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: all around those kinds of people all day, every day. 329 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 1: So that's all they see. If they look at a person, 330 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter how many hit records he has, 331 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: or how many mansions he's owned, how many beatles he 332 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: has in his rolodex. They look at a person and 333 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: they see the worst. That's what they're paid to do. 334 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: And then the jurors, they're on a steady diet of 335 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: law and order, judge, judy or whatever the cop or 336 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: courtroom TV show of the day is. They speak in 337 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: remedial legalise. They think they're all junior detectives, but they 338 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: don't know anything about it. They say, I was standing 339 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: close to her when the gun went off, but I 340 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: was only two feet away. That's what the forensics team said. Well, 341 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: what does the forensics team know about anything? They weren't there. 342 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: All they have is one piece of the puzzle, a 343 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: tiny little piece that they looked at under a microscope. 344 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: They aren't privy to the circumstances. They don't know who 345 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: was doing what or who was saying what. They don't 346 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: know anything about it, None of them do. I can't 347 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: really venture to guess some what he was thinking. They 348 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: all think they know me, but they've never tried to 349 00:25:25,560 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: know me, and they never will. M April two thousand nine, 350 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, six years after the death of Lana Clarkson, 351 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: Bill Specter was found guilty of second degree murder. At 352 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: the time of his sentencing, he was sixty nine years old. 353 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: It was Specter's second murder trial in two years. The 354 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: first trial, in two thousand seven, was televised. Specter did 355 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: not testify. The jury deliberated for fifteen days, but couldn't 356 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: reach the necessary unanimous verdict. It ended in mistrial hung jury. 357 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: The second trial was the charm At the retrial, prosecutors 358 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: called Specter a very dangerous man in detail of his 359 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: history playing Russian Roulette with women. Specter's lawyers fought back 360 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: and went after Specter's own personal bad guys, the cops. 361 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: The judge noted that this was not an isolated incident, 362 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: the taking of innocent human life. He said, it doesn't 363 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: get any more serious than that. Specter's love of firearms, 364 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: his uncontrollable temper, and his violent and volatile history with 365 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: women came back to haunt him. Even his music, his 366 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: art came back to haunt him. One of the first 367 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: songs he recorded with the Crystals, he Hit Me and 368 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: It Felt Like a Kiss, certainly didn't do any favors 369 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: to his notorious reputation. After a five month trial, the 370 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: jury returned their unanimous verdict. Specter sat in the courtroom 371 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: stone faced as the judge read the verdicts nineteen years 372 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: to life. Specter stared straight ahead, stared out at his space. 373 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: He made no movement. All he did was blink his eyes. 374 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: He showed no emotion. He didn't indicate that he was 375 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: listening at all. In addition to the sentence, Specter was 376 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: ordered to write a check to the Clarkson family for 377 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: seventeen grand to cover funeral expenses. The judge denied Specter's 378 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: request for a third trial. Specter's lawyer promised to appeal, 379 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: and then man who once said I could strut sitting 380 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: down I was so brazen walked a far less confident 381 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: strut from the courtroom directly to jail. The bailiff shuffled 382 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: Specter out of the courtroom, out of his dark pinstriped 383 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: suit and red silk tie, and into his California Department 384 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: of Corrections issued costume. That moment of transition sealed the deal. 385 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: He was no longer Phil Specter the producer, or Phil 386 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: Specter the musical genius. He was no longer Phil Specter, 387 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: the supposed celebrity. He was now Phil Specter, the murderer, 388 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: Phil Specter the gun not Phil Specter the explosive, perfectionist. 389 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: Phil Specter the womanis or the boozer, the psycho loaner 390 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: up in the castle on the Hill who wore Batman 391 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: costumes and air conditioned darkness. Was back to being the 392 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: loner he was as a child, the one who was 393 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: different ostra size, misunderstood. He was no longer the bully. 394 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: He'd be bullied from now on, just like he'd been 395 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: bullied in school. Now eleven years later, Phil Specter is 396 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: eighty years old and spends his days at a prison 397 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: health care facility in Stockton, California, where he is ben 398 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: since October two thousand and thirteen. Is eligible for early parole. 399 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: In two thousand, Specter's musical productions remained some of the 400 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: greatest of the twentieth century. River Deep, Mountain High, You've 401 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: Lost that love and feeling in My Sweet Lord are 402 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: the songs of an autour, works of art made possible 403 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: by a process and a style that was as myopic 404 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: as it was universal. In later years, as musical and 405 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: social trends continued to evolve, Specter became increasingly stubborn and 406 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: refused to evolve with everyone else. But even some of 407 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: his later productions albums by Leonard Cohen and Dion, though 408 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: initially panned upon their release, have risen in critical acclaim. 409 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: Phil Specters identifiable stamp, whether delivered as a wall of 410 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: sound or stripped down and raw, remains a stunning time 411 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: capsule in moments frozen in amber or at least pressed 412 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: into wax. For many, it's rapturous pop music that will 413 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: never be taught. For many others, it's hard to separate 414 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: the art from the artist, and the music filled with 415 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: so much love was in fact the brainchild of a petty, 416 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: vindictive and abusive man. Because no matter how much love 417 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: is on the tracks, no matter how much honesty is 418 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: on the tracks, no matter how much pure fucking talent 419 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: is on the tracks. It's all tainted. All the love, honesty, 420 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: and talent are tainted by blood. It's all there, the 421 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: blood on the Tracks. 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