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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man Welcome back to Coast to Coast George and Ory

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Speaker 2: with Mark Leslie Mark. So they stabbed Captain Swayze. Does

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Speaker 2: he still haunt the Old angel In? Now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he still haunts the Old angel In. So he's

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Speaker 3: seen near the sellers there, and there's actually weird things

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Speaker 3: experienced in the rooms upstairs the staff I've talked about

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Speaker 3: the things getting misplaced and then reappearing again. He's one

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Speaker 3: of those ghosts that apparently gets violent in terms of

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Speaker 3: knocking things over when British flags are removed for cleaning

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Speaker 3: from the building. So that the that's one of those

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Speaker 3: legacy things that I guess he hung onto even in

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Speaker 3: depth that desire to keep fighting.

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Speaker 2: Does he do anything violent to anybody?

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Speaker 3: Not to anybody. He does things to objects, right, he

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Speaker 3: breaks glasses, he knocks things over, but he has not

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Speaker 3: to any of the research I've done, he hasn't hurt anybody.

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Speaker 2: There's a place in Charleston, South Carolina that's haunted called

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Speaker 2: Pugan's Porch. What is that?

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Speaker 3: Oh? So Pugan's Porch. So this is a beautiful Victorian townhouse.

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Speaker 3: It's just got a place you can dine inside. They've

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Speaker 3: got a patio, they've got a porch. There's just so

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Speaker 3: many different locations in it. It was originally built in

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Speaker 3: eighteen eighty eight, so there were various residents in the years.

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Speaker 3: But in the early nineteen hundreds there was a woman

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Speaker 3: named Zoe Saint Amand and her sister Elizabeth. They moved

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Speaker 3: into the house. They lived alone. They were sort of

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Speaker 3: like spinsters living together, et cetera. They were really close,

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Speaker 3: really really close sisters. They kept to themselves mostly a

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Speaker 3: Zoe was a school teacher, and she kind of dressed

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Speaker 3: you know that part of long black dresses, wiring glasses

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Speaker 3: extorted very puritan southern, more pure than I should say

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Speaker 3: than Southern bell. And anyways, they lived together and it

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Speaker 3: was broken when Elizabeth passed away in nineteen forty five,

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Speaker 3: and so Zoe, and being so close to her sister,

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Speaker 3: was devastated by her best friend basically who was who

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Speaker 3: Her mental health started to deteriorate, and she didn't have

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Speaker 3: She became so delusional that the stories of her cry

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Speaker 3: notts sister's name while wandering down the street in the

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Speaker 3: where that's located, and the neighbors were concerned for her

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Speaker 3: well being. She eventually they had to basically put her

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Speaker 3: the belief is that she came back. She needed to

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Speaker 3: So even though she didn't die in the home, she

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Speaker 3: and so there's a belief that she still comes back.

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Speaker 3: And at night, even from across the street, you don't

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Speaker 3: even have to be in the building. People allegedly still

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Speaker 3: see her wandering up and down the street in front

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Speaker 3: of the place. She's also been seen in the ladies

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Speaker 3: take a glance in the mirror and then they'll see

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Speaker 3: still mourning even though she's died as well, but mourning

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Speaker 2: Do these ghosts look physical in that solid I mean.

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Speaker 3: Well, in that particular case, she had the stories there

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, for a lot of the stories, are

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Speaker 2: There's a place in Milwaukee, Wisconsin called Shaker's Cigar Bar

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Speaker 2: that was built on top of an old cemetery. That's enough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's actually known as America's most

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Speaker 1: So this was.

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Speaker 3: Built in eighteen ninety four and it was the Schlitz

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Speaker 3: But the basement is where they the Copones. That's where

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Speaker 3: who is a tour guide at Shakers, has said every

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Speaker 3: time it's brought out bad spirits. Every time they try

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Speaker 3: from from Marley says. The well goes down so far

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Speaker 3: this is probably a really perfect place for them to

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Speaker 2: How did you find all these places?

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Speaker 3: This this just research. I mean you start off with

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Speaker 3: found some of this information from an article from a

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Speaker 3: time of Halloween. And Halloween is a perfect time because

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Speaker 3: lots of lots of local newspapers love to share. You know,

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Speaker 3: they get into the creepy story at that time. You know,

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Speaker 3: they're like me all year.

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Speaker 2: There's a place near Portland, Oregon called mcminimon's White Eagle Saloon.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is this is one of those other

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Speaker 3: places I've had a personal experience with. Liz and I

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Speaker 3: staying there. So mcminimon's is a company that purchases old

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Speaker 3: are an Oregon organ mostly organ company. This is on

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Speaker 3: so according to the legend of this building, so it's

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Speaker 2: I got to be careful there, Mark got to be careful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't driving anywhere, but I was staying there.

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Speaker 3: But I was doing a live video just to talk

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Speaker 3: But that's just one of the places like that are

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Speaker 3: quite interesting. There's there's another ghost there named Sam who

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Speaker 2: And that's not funny, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not funny for the staff, but apparently it's

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Speaker 2: Tell us a story about the Winking Judge of Hamilton, Ontario.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I have to say, The Winking Judge

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Speaker 2: Some ghosts, we go to a lot of bars, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Apparently I enjoyed them. I enjoyed them. But it is

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Speaker 3: it's named after an elderly man in a top hat

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Speaker 2: Services, like the hat man I just talked about.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes he's been seen hovering outside the window of the

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Speaker 3: And her daughter said, oh, the really nice man in

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Speaker 3: there's a ghost cat there, which is quite fascinating because

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Speaker 3: it was at one time a bar that was animal friendly.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing there ever when that happens, and so there

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Speaker 2: That movie freaked out a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things that Stephen King does

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got an act for pulling those things out

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