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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I'm talking, and I don't know why I

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Speaker 2: am being interrupted.

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Speaker 3: I would not stop. I was speaking. I'm sorry I

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Speaker 3: was I know I was speaking. Speak when I'm speaking.

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Speaker 4: Both of you all need to just take it down

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Speaker 4: and not.

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Speaker 2: And so you honor if I may finish, because I

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Speaker 2: was the one speaking before, mister Weinstein. But you have

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Speaker 2: you have you continually engage in this pattern of behavior, misloved.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to accept my ruling, and and and

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Speaker 2: I know you've been an advocate, but at some point stop,

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Speaker 2: just stop. I made my ruling. Good bad are indifferent

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Speaker 2: to you. You're gonna win some, you're gonna lose some.

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Speaker 3: I do it except okay, No, you don't know. You don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm George Cheating and I'm Christina Lee.

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Speaker 4: And this is King Slime. The recap.

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Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. So hello, hello George,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing better?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: Better?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad to hear that. It's been a mess.

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Speaker 4: It's been a mess.

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Speaker 1: We are joined, of course, by executive producer Tommy Andres Hey, Tommy, Hey,

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Speaker 1: guess and we have a very special guest here to

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Speaker 1: help us dissect whatever the hell happened over the past

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Speaker 1: few days in court. So joining us to not only

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Speaker 1: dissect what's been going on in days forty forty one

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Speaker 1: and forty two for those who are counting, in addition

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Speaker 1: to the strategy that we may be seeing from both

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Speaker 1: sides of the Ysel trial, is who I know as

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Speaker 1: Megan the reporter, Meghan Quniv. You know, started off as

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Speaker 1: a newspaper reporter and now she's gone independent after she

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Speaker 1: rose to fane covering the Tory Lane's trial over in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Megan, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me before we.

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Speaker 1: Talk about, like, I guess, like the broader strategy we

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Speaker 1: need to at least like go through I guess what

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Speaker 1: we have seen over the past couple of days. So,

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Speaker 1: for those who don't remember, court was essentially at a

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Speaker 1: session for seven days, but we've been able to see

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Speaker 1: some more testimony from Adrian Bean and some really interesting

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Speaker 1: conversations between prosecution and defense. Maybe I will take everybody

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Speaker 1: you know one step back just to make recap what

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Speaker 1: we've supposedly learned from this whole thing. Right, So we

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Speaker 1: have witnessed testimony from police officers where some people were

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Speaker 1: saying there are three people in this red Nissan that

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Speaker 1: did the free Willy incident into the coin laundromat. Some

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Speaker 1: people say that there were four people in the car.

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Speaker 1: Some people say that there was a the driver was

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Speaker 1: a woman who got away and escaped the scene. We

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Speaker 1: have this nine to one one call for a woman

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Speaker 1: calling on behalf of her neighbor. Here there's some Ofdale

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Speaker 1: named Young Thug or something or something. Jerry doesn't get

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Speaker 1: thug because he got away. We have police interviews saying

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Speaker 1: But now we've got this taped interview where Brian Steele

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Speaker 1: asked Adrian Bean if he was pushed to say that

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Speaker 1: fact that the defense has essentially said, you know what, remember,

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Speaker 1: we should remember this incident was on September eleventh, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: This is more than a decade ago, and Young Thug

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Speaker 1: was never officially charged with all that. Okay, So with

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Speaker 1: all of this in mind, Megan, George, what do we

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Speaker 1: think of all this? Where are we following if you're

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Speaker 4: So I'll start, we wouldn't hear a word of any

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Speaker 4: And I'm fascinated by the fact that the District Attorney's

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Speaker 4: you start asking yourself, well, how much more detail are

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Speaker 6: No, I definitely agree with that, But in terms of

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Speaker 6: the Rico conspiracy, which they are now. But they just

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Speaker 6: the last really everything we've heard about in the trial

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Speaker 6: so far, the last four months has just been you

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Speaker 6: don't need it for a Rico case, Like I don't

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's feasible.

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Speaker 6: I mean when you look at the indictment, I mean

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Speaker 3: Five months into trial, I mean, it's crazy to me,

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Speaker 6: To me how big this case is and the lack

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Speaker 4: I want to come back to this thing you're saying

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Speaker 4: preface this by saying, like, Megan, you've covered a lot

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Speaker 4: of trials and you understand, like you know what a

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Speaker 4: long trial could do to a jury. We've lost two

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Speaker 4: it's fourteen. If they get below twelve, it's game over

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Speaker 4: and they've got to start again. You're suggesting that over

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I just can't see for the slow

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Speaker 6: the idea that they're all just going to stay intact

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Speaker 6: for this like it's a real I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 6: just amazing that McAfee has a opponent in the election

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Speaker 6: but Glanville doesn't, And I'm like, yeah, that because I mean,

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Speaker 6: the big warning sign initially when I turned, when I

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Speaker 3: And it just seems like for.

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Speaker 6: A big, unusual or unprecedented trial because I've covered trials

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Speaker 6: that are long, but really the longest trial that I've

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Speaker 6: or something. I Mean, this is just crazy to me,

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Speaker 6: how how long it is and how sporadic to test

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Speaker 6: stimoni is, Like, it's just it's crazy.

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Speaker 7: Well, Glanville snapping actually just happened. So let's talk about

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Speaker 7: this recent incident here, because I think it speaks to

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Speaker 7: a lot of the relationship between the prosecution and the

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Speaker 8: Can you walk us through a little bit about what happened?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's stuff that comes up in any trial,

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Speaker 6: kind of last minute stuff because they can do all

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Speaker 6: just prevent any issue from coming up. But Glanville really

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Speaker 6: I got.

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Speaker 1: You, Megan, I got you Megan. So when we first

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Speaker 1: tuned into court footage, we have what I've called Adrian

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Speaker 1: Love v. Doug Weinstein's v. Judge Glanville. Right, so essentially

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Speaker 1: Yah Gotti. He was essentially arguing to suppress interviews from

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Speaker 1: his lawyer. Adrian Love was saying, like, hey, but listen

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Speaker 1: there was some argument over whether Georgia law said that

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Speaker 1: Doug Weinstein was over it some point.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I was.

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Speaker 3: I know I was already when I'm speaking.

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Speaker 4: Both of you all need to just take.

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Speaker 1: It down on that said that Adrian Love could talk

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Speaker 9: You're and I apologize for interrupting the state earlier, but

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Speaker 9: the state can talk the ears off a donkey. This

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Speaker 9: continued filibustering has got to stop so that opposing council

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Speaker 1: And Judge Glanville tried to be like that parent and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you guys, just get it together. My ruling is my ruling.

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Speaker 1: But as you said, Megan, it only continued to smial

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Speaker 1: from there. That was literally just within the first couple of.

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Speaker 8: Minutes, and then the bailiff at Is step in.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the reason Love pushes back on him so

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Speaker 6: I mean, it was just, you know, all the back

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Speaker 6: really pay attention to what Glanville's doing, he's like looking

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Speaker 6: at his phone at one instant, it's like, what is this?

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Speaker 3: What is this.

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Speaker 6: Judge doing here? Like he doesn't seem to be really

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Speaker 6: managing this, this trial and the arguments and the issues

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Speaker 6: and stuff. It's it's a little concerning.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you think about Glanville and the pacing

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Speaker 7: of the trial too, because we've talked a lot about

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Speaker 7: how the prosecution and defense have sort of contributed to

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Speaker 7: the slow of this, but really the judge is the

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Speaker 7: one running the show, So how is he contributing sort

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Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So you wrote about this, Megan, about judges Landville schedule.

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Speaker 7: And then there's only four days a week usually because

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Speaker 7: And the meanwhile, jurors are getting twenty five dollars a

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Speaker 8: And like brokes and broke.

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Speaker 4: That's something I'm watching here. It's just it's just statistical probability. Here.

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Speaker 4: And how like, take fourteen people, what are the odds

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. It's like in efforts to

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Speaker 6: Think the trial could easily be like changed, Like I mean,

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Speaker 3: But to be done by August or September, they would

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Speaker 6: Approach and just looking into the background, like the politics

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Speaker 3: You know, they came into the case late.

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Speaker 6: This is the case, and this is how they're doing

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Speaker 6: I mean, she's she's got a naw she's president of

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Speaker 4: One of the things I'd like you to do is

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've only I covered a federal RICO case

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Speaker 6: the Mongol's motorcycle club case was all about a conspiracy

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Speaker 3: They did violate RICO.

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Speaker 6: And some of the overt acts were drug possession like

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Speaker 6: It's whether they were part of the club, whether they

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Speaker 6: All this testimony was just better managed, so you got

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Speaker 7: So is that how you'd sum up the prosecution strategy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm not.

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Speaker 6: Sure if it would if we should call it a

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Speaker 6: So you just wonder how much talk there is about

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Speaker 1: Mean, besides the super slimming cover art.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I almost feel like, I mean, gosh, we

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Speaker 1: You know what's really interesting is that we're still not

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Speaker 1: going to hear the end of Adrian Bean as of

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Speaker 1: this recording. Like he is on the stand right now,

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Speaker 1: sounding very very sick of being on there by the

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Speaker 1: way hereby, he asked me, Ques ask me, I'm all

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Speaker 1: moved on my life, man, I ain't got time for

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Speaker 4: Y'all assassinated me. Man, you're about time? You about time

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Speaker 4: for mashes now.

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Speaker 8: I'm all on u.

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Speaker 2: Uh all these blogs, all these chunking my face all

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Speaker 4: Keep won't ask the quest. I'm telling you, I don't

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Speaker 1: He is over it. He is over saying no, sir, no, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: I don't recall whatever the paper says. So he is

441
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Speaker 1: still on the stand at this moment. And then in

442
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Speaker 1: the meantime, yesterday so on Thursday, as the jury was

443
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Speaker 1: essentially waiting in the court in the court house to

444
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Speaker 1: enter the court room, Adrian Love and Brian Steel are

445
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Speaker 1: also debating over this hospital statement that may or may

446
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Speaker 1: not exist. Right, So basically what the jury has heard

447
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Speaker 1: so far is Adrian Love reading from a police statement

448
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: that Adriam Being gave to Detective Quinn in the days

449
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Speaker 1: after the incident. But then, as Brian Steele posits, there

450
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Speaker 1: has to be another statement taken when Adrian Bean was

451
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Speaker 1: at Grady Hospital basically refuting his original statement to Detective

452
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Speaker 1: Quinn and saying, like, you know, they the in which

453
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Speaker 1: like they tried to pin young thug specifically not only

454
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Speaker 1: being the car but being in the driver. And so

455
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Speaker 1: there's this hole back and forth about who supposedly is

456
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Speaker 1: more robbed over this hospital statement existing not existing, somehow

457
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Speaker 1: not materializing, and then this turns into like a whole

458
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Speaker 1: shouting match over like who is being more unethical, who

459
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Speaker 1: is being more unjust Like in the court of law.

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Speaker 2: You are saying to the court that you have a

461
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Speaker 2: belief that there is another statement out there.

462
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Speaker 5: There's not.

463
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Speaker 3: Because it hasn't been brought up.

464
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Speaker 4: If it brings if it.

465
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Speaker 2: Gets brought up, then will correct.

466
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Speaker 4: It at that point in time.

467
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Speaker 2: But right now, I'm going to direct you not to

468
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Speaker 2: not to inquire that line.

469
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Speaker 4: You don't have a basis to do so, not true.

470
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Speaker 2: Well, go ahead and go ahead and make a.

471
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Speaker 3: Statement, and see what happens.

472
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Speaker 2: Go ahead and make the statement in contravention to what

473
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Speaker 2: I've just told you. And I'm telling you that you

474
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Speaker 2: will have some problems in front of me.

475
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of all this, you guys,

476
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: like it really felt produced by Andy Cohen. It felt

477
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Speaker 1: like a reunion episode of a Bravo show, but it

478
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Speaker 1: was completely unsatisfying.

479
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Speaker 8: It's a little thing on Discovery.

480
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Speaker 6: Her phone never appears in Mark's Phone Wreckers.

481
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Speaker 3: You will have to appear in Core. Here is your subpoenas.

482
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Speaker 1: And I just couldn't believe what I was witnessing, where

483
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Speaker 1: like one side is accusing the other of essentially fabricating evidence,

484
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Speaker 1: and meanwhile you have Brian Steel over here. That's being like,

485
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Speaker 1: Adrian Love is not my boss.

486
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Speaker 3: It is Upscene.

487
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Speaker 8: Hey, miss Love is not my boss. I owe nothing

488
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Speaker 8: except to the law and mister Williams. And that's where

489
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Speaker 8: I am.

490
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought Glandelle said something to Adrian Love that

491
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Speaker 6: I thought was interesting, where he was telling her to

492
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Speaker 6: stop and calm down, and he.

493
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Speaker 3: Was like, I know you're being an advocate.

494
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Speaker 2: Will you continually engage in this pattern of behavior and

495
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: misloved you don't want to accept my ruling. Yeah, and

496
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Speaker 2: I know you've been an advocate, but at some point stop,

497
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Speaker 2: just stop.

498
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Speaker 3: Which is true. She is an advocate.

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Speaker 6: She's an advocate for the state, the laws, the people

500
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Speaker 6: of Georgia. But also it just reminded me of another

501
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 6: case I'm covering. There was a magistrate judge in a

502
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Speaker 6: transcript said something that the roles of the prosecutor and

503
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Speaker 6: the defense are different, Like it's the defense's job to

504
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Speaker 6: actually just throw anything at the wall to try to

505
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Speaker 6: get it to stick, to advocate for their client. I mean,

506
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Speaker 6: that's kind of a glib way to sum it up,

507
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Speaker 6: but it really is. You know, the defense should be

508
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 6: putting any argument out there that they can, But to

509
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Speaker 6: say that the prosecutor should just be throwing spaghetti at

510
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 6: the wall, it's like this. Prosecutors are held to a

511
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Speaker 6: little bit of a higher standard in that they need

512
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Speaker 6: to have a clear goal and argument there, so just

513
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 6: the just the way she's so her accusation it's against Steel,

514
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Speaker 6: I think did kind of cross the line, especially about

515
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Speaker 6: I mean cross the line in terms of what is

516
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Speaker 6: the line, but in terms of accusing him of you know,

517
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Speaker 6: he's the one who planned who mentioned the hospital to Adrian,

518
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 6: when actually they play the tape back and Adrian is

519
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 6: the one who mentioned the hospital. It's just you think

520
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Speaker 6: that the prosecutors need to be a little more careful

521
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 6: and know their evidence a little bit better than what

522
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Speaker 6: they're doing there. And then also in just in terms

523
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Speaker 6: of the unprofessional professionalism of it, because he said something about,

524
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Speaker 6: you know, the rants of da love, which maybe was

525
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Speaker 6: a little unprofessional on his party, doesn't need to like

526
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Speaker 6: quite use that term. But then she turned around and says,

527
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Speaker 6: you know, he needs to stop insulting me. And then

528
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 6: while we're on it, you know, he gets up there

529
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 6: and it's just hysterical and it's like it says that

530
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Speaker 6: kind of hyperbolic talk that she turns around and insults

531
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Speaker 6: him too. Where it's just and one big problem is

532
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Speaker 6: there's no judge up there actually just regulating on all

533
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 6: of this, because in the end, all this stuff just

534
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 6: starts at the top and trickles down.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take a break. We'll be

536
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Speaker 1: right back after this. And we're back.

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Speaker 7: So we had some other interesting news pop in this week,

538
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Speaker 7: which was this Supreme Court decision on lyrics.

539
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Speaker 8: So George, this is it just is in Georgia, George's.

540
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Speaker 7: Supreme Court decision on lyrics that may or may not

541
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Speaker 7: impact this case. But let's talk talk about if it

542
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Speaker 7: will and what it is. So she tells what it is,

543
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Speaker 7: so let's start with this.

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Speaker 4: It's not actually about lyrics once you drill into the

545
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 4: actual case. Like, just so everybody understands, the Georgia Supreme

546
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: Court set aside a murder conviction about a week ago

547
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Speaker 4: because prosecutors had shown a thirty three second clip of

548
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Speaker 4: the defendant in a music video where the defendant is

549
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: waving a gun around and that they viewed that as prejudicial.

550
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Speaker 4: And that might be why I was describing this other

551
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Speaker 4: stuff as prejudicial. That the idea is in my head

552
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Speaker 4: right now as I was reading the As I was

553
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Speaker 4: reading the ruling, the fellow who was convicted and whose

554
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: conviction was set aside was the road manager for a

555
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: rapper named No Cap No Cap who's out of mobile

556
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: kind of Look, I'm going to call him a mumble

557
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Speaker 4: rapper because the ruling says that the video itself, like

558
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Speaker 4: was unintelligible.

559
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Speaker 1: That should be the ultimate barometer for whether someone is

560
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Speaker 1: a mumble wrapper or because I can understand future I've

561
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Speaker 1: lived in Atlanta all these years. But if the court

562
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Speaker 1: of law says.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we can't understand your lyrics, we don't think the

564
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: matter right correct, And that's my point, Like, it's not

565
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: actually about the lyrics. The lyrics didn't come up in

566
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Speaker 4: the trial at all. It was a video with a

567
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Speaker 4: bunch of guys with guns and he was one of them,

568
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Speaker 4: and he was pointing the gun and waving it at

569
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Speaker 4: the camera and whatnot. And essentially the prosecutors showed this

570
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Speaker 4: video not like they made an argument saying this is

571
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Speaker 4: important evidence because it shows that he was associated with

572
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Speaker 4: the guy who was at the concert before the shooting,

573
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Speaker 4: and that they knew each other, and that he was

574
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Speaker 4: that we have reason to order his dad, why he

575
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Speaker 4: was present at the time, and all the rest of this,

576
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Speaker 4: except that all of that had effectively been stipulated by

577
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Speaker 4: the defense, so all that was left was using this

578
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: video to show jurors to say this is a bad

579
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: person and you should probably put him in jail, which

580
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: is the definition of prejudicial like in fact, like the

581
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: closing arguments in the case, we're essentially saying, we have

582
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Speaker 4: a gun violence problem in our community and you could

583
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Speaker 4: do something about it, and this is what it looks like,

584
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, referencing the video, and that was enough. That

585
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Speaker 4: was enough for the Supreme Court. Get out of here.

586
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Speaker 4: I bring all of this up because we've had some

587
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Speaker 4: videos in this.

588
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Speaker 1: Case, so many.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's of the one hundred and ninety one

590
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Speaker 7: over at X sixty relate to song lyrics or social

591
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 7: media posting, so that's both of those things together. But

592
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Speaker 7: we had several emails from lawyers that sent us. They

593
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Speaker 7: sent us emails that were like, hey, keep an eye

594
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Speaker 7: on this because this might impact the young Thug trial. So, Megan,

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Speaker 7: I'm actually curious from you, do you think a ruling

596
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Speaker 7: like that at the Georgia Supreme Court could have an

597
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Speaker 7: impact on this trial, on the Ysel trial, not on.

598
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Speaker 6: The trial as it's going on, but if there's ever

599
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Speaker 6: a judgment on this that gets appealed to the Court

600
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Speaker 6: of Appeal, of course, a ruling like that would be

601
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Speaker 6: factored into the case law. But the idea that it's

602
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Speaker 6: going to change the way prosecutors are operating right now, No,

603
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Speaker 6: not at all. It's not going to affect the trial

604
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 6: the trial, it could affect the case later on through

605
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Speaker 6: the appellate process.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, I've been saying that all along. I don't think

607
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Speaker 4: Brian Steel. I think Brian Steele looking at the evidence

608
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Speaker 4: that we expect to emerge eventually. I think he is

609
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Speaker 4: assuming that there are going to be convictions in the

610
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Speaker 4: case and that he is preserving and preparing for the

611
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 4: appeal like that's going to get all of it thrown out.

612
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean any and he'd be committing malpractice if

613
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 6: he wasn't doing that. But like Bruce Harvey, you can

614
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 6: see where he's He's always setting the record for some

615
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 6: kind of appeal on interesting conspiracy theories because well, I mean,

616
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 6: it's it's common to have, you know, a bunch of

617
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 6: code defendants on trial and then maybe some of them

618
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 6: aren't on trial at that time, but their stuff is

619
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Speaker 6: being mentioned. But this is just like so extreme what's

620
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Speaker 6: going on. But you can definitely tell that Bruce Harvey,

621
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Speaker 6: who's by far the most experienced criminal defense attorney in

622
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Speaker 6: that courtroom is setting up some kind of appeal or something,

623
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Speaker 6: you know, some kind of grounds for an appeal on

624
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Speaker 6: the conspiracy. You know, how his client keeps getting kind

625
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 6: of wrapped into these cross examinations, in this information coming

626
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Speaker 6: out through cross examination when Bruce Harvey hasn't done anything himself.

627
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked a lot about how the it's

628
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Speaker 1: the defense's job to I guess, throw spaghetti on the wall,

629
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Speaker 1: and we've talked about this preparation, you know, for a

630
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Speaker 1: potential appeal. Is there anything else to remark upon as

631
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: far as like defense strategy, Like is there any tactics

632
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: that have stood out in the past. However, many months

633
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: in trial.

634
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Speaker 6: I mean, one thing, and in the prosecutors set the case,

635
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 6: so the defense kind of has to play into that.

636
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 6: But I also feel like the defense is almost making

637
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 6: too much a mistake sometimes by focusing way too in

638
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 6: on the weeds and kind of playing into this game

639
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 6: of like let's make every overact a trial in itself.

640
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Speaker 6: But also that I think that aids the defense more

641
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 6: than that it does the prosecution.

642
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: For sure.

643
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Speaker 6: It's not just me, And it's hard to assess things

644
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 6: because trials are all about the big picture, and I

645
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 6: think Bruce Harvey more than anyone, understands that. But he

646
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 6: was really taking issue with some of the doors that

647
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 6: had been opened, like in the cross examination of Tick,

648
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 6: those messages about the web that they were able to

649
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Speaker 6: get in, and they ruled it was because the cross

650
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 6: examination of Tick opened up the door for it, because

651
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 6: Brian Steele was, you know, implying that you know, Tick

652
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 6: and a thug. It kind of parted ways and weren't

653
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 6: having much contact. And just the way Bruce Harvey was

654
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Speaker 6: arguing against that, he understands the significance of that, and.

655
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Speaker 8: That's why I'm objecting.

656
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Speaker 9: I think it's disingenuous now to say, oh boy, we

657
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Speaker 9: think this is eight to one D two E.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's part of the conspiracy. It's not part

659
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Speaker 3: of the conspiracy.

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Speaker 9: Mister Nichols who was in jail at the time these

661
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Speaker 9: things happened, and it.

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Speaker 6: Was a good example of how I mean, trials are

663
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Speaker 6: about the details, but they're also about the big picture.

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Speaker 6: And you can get so focused on the details that

665
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Speaker 6: you lose track of the big picture, and then people

666
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Speaker 6: watching at home can just be like, oh, that was

667
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 6: such a great cross examination. You know, he really nailed Tick,

668
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 6: but they don't understand the big picture of what's coming

669
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Speaker 6: and all the evidence and how you know, three months later,

670
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Speaker 6: the prosecutors might bring in a bunch of testimony and

671
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Speaker 6: evidence that actually makes that cross examination look kind of silly.

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Speaker 6: But the problem is that the trial is just so

673
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Speaker 6: big and there's so many gaps in the testimony that

674
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Speaker 6: it's like who even has the memory for all this stuff?

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, as you've been covering the trial, Megan,

676
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Speaker 1: Like for those who haven't gone to Megan's YouTube page,

677
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Speaker 1: first of all, she's like posting up the streams. She's

678
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: posting like really great clips from court. Whether that's like

679
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: these hearings are from actual testimony, and she's even organizing

680
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Speaker 1: them into specific categories just so that folks can get

681
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Speaker 1: a sense of like what broader themes are sort of

682
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Speaker 1: coming up. I'm curious to know from you, like if

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Speaker 1: there's been any particular moment or even a clip, if

684
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Speaker 1: you will, of the trial that has stood out, whether

685
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Speaker 1: I hate to call it a favorite, but like almost

686
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Speaker 1: like speaks to the absurdity of everything you're talking about.

687
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Speaker 6: I was a fan of the cross examination of Tick

688
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think I did a story a while

689
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Speaker 6: back that just kind of summed up my coverage. And

690
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Speaker 6: the one clip that I included was like a thirteen

691
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 6: minute segment of Brian Steele talking to him about getting

692
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Speaker 6: kicked off the rodeo a tour, like you know, all

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Speaker 6: these years ago because he was committing crimes and just

694
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Speaker 6: kind of the way Steel takes him through that.

695
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Speaker 9: And do you remember there came a time that you

696
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Speaker 9: and others were accused of wrongdoing on that tour.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is.

698
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Speaker 1: Committing crime, right, yeah?

699
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Speaker 9: Okay, And do you remember Jeffrey Williams repaying a victim

700
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Speaker 9: of those crops?

701
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Speaker 7: But I ain't committ no grind?

702
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Speaker 3: Okay, do you remember him?

703
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you did, but you were a cute

704
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: you somebody thought you did, right, Yeah? True, true.

705
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Speaker 6: And then of course there's Glanville sustains some dumb objections

706
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Speaker 6: like in the middle of it and like kind of

707
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Speaker 6: wrecks it, and then after a few minutes like just

708
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Speaker 6: calls a comfort break, like oh, let's put a pin

709
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Speaker 6: in it for So it really kind of has like

710
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Speaker 6: everything in it from from the trial. But I mean,

711
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Speaker 6: Steele is a really skilled trial lawyer, and I thought

712
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Speaker 6: it was like an interesting just the way he's kind

713
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Speaker 6: of you know, questioning tick there. So that's the one

714
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Speaker 6: I would go for. But I mean everything like that's

715
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Speaker 6: just as somebody who loves you know, trials and am

716
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 6: used to just watching stuff in court with no access

717
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Speaker 6: to cameras to actually have an interesting trial or one

718
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 6: that I'm into and have camera access to all this

719
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 6: and like there's there's so much to do, and I

720
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Speaker 6: feel like the public gets way way more out of

721
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Speaker 6: that than I mean, there's so many commentary videos on

722
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Speaker 6: YouTube and everybody trying to tell you what you're supposed

723
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Speaker 6: to think about the testimony. And I mean you see

724
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Speaker 6: it in the political world too, you know, the second

725
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 6: the political speeches started, all all the operatives get on

726
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 6: Twitter and start trying to spend it one way or

727
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Speaker 6: the other. And we have the same thing going on

728
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Speaker 6: with the end Thug trial, where it's like, oh, this

729
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 6: guy was destroyed on the stand, and it's like I

730
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Speaker 6: would much just put clips up there and let people

731
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Speaker 6: like watch it themselves and give some analysis about like

732
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Speaker 6: why the lawyers are asking what they're asking for, But

733
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Speaker 6: everybody always asks me, like, like who's winning or do

734
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Speaker 6: you think you know? And I just I frankly don't

735
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Speaker 6: know how to answer.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of weird to say, I mean, like,

737
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Speaker 4: never mind the question of neutral reportage, like the the

738
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Speaker 4: idea that you're we're calling like we're calling this like

739
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Speaker 4: color commentators might. It's just it's a little like this

740
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Speaker 4: is supposed to be a court. What are we doing?

741
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Speaker 1: You know?

742
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Speaker 4: I am curious about who's your I'd like you to

743
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 4: just who's who are the people that are watching you?

744
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 4: Who are the people that you see that are most

745
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: intensely interested in the kinds of cases that you cover,

746
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: you mean besides me?

747
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I cover so many different cases like

748
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Speaker 6: right now, I mean, and I have been kind of reminded.

749
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Speaker 6: And I had a few people comment on my recent

750
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Speaker 6: coverage of a judge and federal judge in Orange County

751
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 6: who's dismissing charges against these neo Nazis and releasing them

752
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 6: and there's all this stuff, and then also the FBI

753
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Speaker 6: and ex FBI informant who was charged with lying about

754
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 6: the bidens. That's an LA case, and I've done a couple.

755
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 6: I did a story on that, kind of introducing the

756
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Speaker 6: judge who was assigned, And I had a few people

757
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Speaker 6: comment that my skills in knowledge as like a legal

758
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Speaker 6: affairs reporter are so much better spent on stuff like

759
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Speaker 6: that than just writing about the drama in the music industry.

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Speaker 6: So that was kind of a good I mean, I'm

761
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Speaker 6: kind of at a you know, trying to figure out

762
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Speaker 6: what do I cover and what do I not, and

763
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Speaker 6: what do I prioritize and what do I not. But

764
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Speaker 6: I think my mailing list is kind of focused on,

765
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Speaker 6: you know, l a federal federal courts coverage because it's

766
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Speaker 6: a lot of lawyers and a lot of you know,

767
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 6: judges too in LA who who read about you know,

768
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 6: the federal courts coverage. And then also there's so much

769
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 6: political stuff, like there's a big LA Public corruptions saga

770
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Speaker 6: that's actually that that's the trial that's.

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Speaker 3: Going on right now.

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Speaker 6: So I have a big readership based on that. But

773
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Speaker 6: then I also have a lot of people, you know,

774
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Speaker 6: from the hip hop industry who remember me from Tory

775
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 6: Lanez and want coverage of that. But I just as

776
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Speaker 6: a journalist have to kind of find, you know, frankly,

777
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Speaker 6: a good balance for me. And then also, you know,

778
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Speaker 6: what's going to make me a living because I mean people,

779
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Speaker 6: I mean, I've kind of like people want me to

780
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Speaker 6: just do stuff for free, and you know, it's like, look,

781
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Speaker 6: I need to figure out how I'm going to like

782
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Speaker 6: survive in this world and maybe eventually buy a house

783
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Speaker 6: and you know, maybe eventually retire or something. So I

784
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 6: kind of feel like the hip hop stuff and like

785
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 6: the young fuck stuff is really best preserved for YouTube.

786
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 6: It's perfect for YouTube and TikTok. But the idea that

787
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Speaker 6: I should be writing articles about this for my mailing

788
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 6: list when my mailing list is lawyers who could take

789
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 6: one look at this case and know that it's kind

790
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 6: of a joke. Like the story has to be like

791
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 6: the last story I did, I think was good because

792
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 6: it kind of captured that. But to just be writing

793
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 6: articles about you know, hey, here's what a witness said

794
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Speaker 6: about the red Nissan no, So you know, it's just

795
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 6: kind of trying to figure that out.

796
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Speaker 4: You know, I understand that I was going to Yeah,

797
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 4: I've been wrestling with this myself, so I mean, and

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Speaker 4: there are a lot of folks who understand that I'm

799
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Speaker 4: a political journalist generally speaking, and that I started to

800
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: look at this case because I was looking at the

801
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Speaker 4: political impact of crime in Atlanta. One thing leads to another,

802
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Speaker 4: and you know, a year and a half later, I'm

803
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Speaker 4: looking at two weeks of testimony about a niece read

804
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Speaker 4: Nissan and questioning my life choices. Not that I mean

805
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Speaker 4: I want listeners hear me like I love you and

806
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 4: I want to serve you, but I'm also like going,

807
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 4: like I keep wanting to come back to like the

808
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 4: fundamental question that like the case Lime podcast started over it,

809
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 4: all of this coverage started over, which is like what

810
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Speaker 4: just this What is the impact of this trial and

811
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Speaker 4: this what can we see as we're looking at this

812
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: that speaks to the bigger, broader picture about what criminal

813
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: justice looks like in Atlanta and in the United States,

814
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Speaker 4: and where does hip hop intersect with you know, this

815
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Speaker 4: policy question around violent crime and how should we be

816
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: addressing these this this issue of like violent lyrics in

817
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Speaker 4: music and it's nexus to you know, street crime and

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Speaker 4: all the rest of this like two weeks of.

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Speaker 3: Spectacle. Yeah, for sure, I think it's scary.

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Speaker 6: It's it's scary that they're I mean, they're being held

821
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Speaker 6: without bail for this. And then I mean, I like

822
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Speaker 6: we've said we think it's kind of just destined to

823
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Speaker 6: end with the jury just kind of dissolving. You know,

824
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Speaker 6: they're not going to be able to keep the jury together.

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Speaker 6: But the idea that that would be like a good

826
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Speaker 6: thing for young thug because if that happens, they're just.

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Speaker 3: Going to re try them again.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it would become.

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Speaker 6: Crazy to have that happen. But the idea that if

830
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Speaker 6: if that does happen, the prosecutors are just going to

831
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Speaker 6: throw up their hands be like okay, well case dismissed.

832
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 6: Of course, not like they're just going to try to

833
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Speaker 6: retry him again. So it's like, okay, so what are

834
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Speaker 6: we doing here? Is there ever going to be like

835
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Speaker 6: some kind of like moment of reckoning for this case

836
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Speaker 6: or the prosecutor's office?

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we've talked about it several times about how a

839
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Speaker 7: mistrial is actually a nightmare for everyone, Like everyone nobody

840
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 7: wants a mistrial because after this long I mean, good god,

841
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Speaker 7: that the having to repeat this whole process again is

842
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 7: a pretty terrible punishment that no one should be given.

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Speaker 7: But you know, that's an interesting point too, because we

844
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Speaker 7: just talked about that Georgia Supreme Court ruling where that

845
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Speaker 7: verdict was overturned. But that guy doesn't get away, Like,

846
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Speaker 7: they can retry him if they choose to. We don't

847
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Speaker 7: know whether they're going to make that choice or not yet,

848
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 7: but they could choose to retry him, which is you

849
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 7: know it is it's like even if you you.

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Speaker 8: Even winning, could be a loss in some way.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and they're likely too. That's Houston County.

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Speaker 7: Like.

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Speaker 4: Part of the reason this went down the way it

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Speaker 4: did was because that that particular cour and that district

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Speaker 4: attorney are like or like, this is the that is

856
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 4: the guy they want to they want to prosecute, So

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00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 4: they'll come back to it, all right.

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Speaker 5: More from King Slime after this.

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Speaker 4: This is kiing Slide. We're back.

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Speaker 7: So I'm curious, Megan about your sort of broader thoughts

861
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 7: on what this trial says about the criminal justice system

862
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 7: in America and maybe about hip hop specifically, since you

863
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Speaker 7: have some of that experience as well. And I guess

864
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Speaker 7: I'm trying to get away from the let's move away

865
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Speaker 7: from how long it's taking and the bogged down stuff

866
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Speaker 7: and more of the big questions that George was just

867
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Speaker 7: talking about.

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Speaker 8: Anything strike you.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think it's just a it's really it

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Speaker 6: seems like a local political Atlanta story. Just the choice

871
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Speaker 6: for them to go after young Thug and and the

872
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 6: fact that he's he's local there, and that all these

873
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 6: crimes are local, because when you read through the indictment

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00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 6: and see all the you know, serious stuff, because I

875
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Speaker 6: think a lot of people think that, you know, all

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Speaker 6: this stuff just happened so long ago, but there was

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Speaker 6: a murder that happened just in twenty twenty two that

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Speaker 6: I think just kind of underscores. It's so crazy that

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Speaker 6: they're focusing on all this old stuff. But I mean,

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00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 6: it frankly just seems like a local criminal case involving

881
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Speaker 6: somebody who's famous. I mean, just I'm I'm trying to

882
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Speaker 6: think of like some really profound thing to say about

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Speaker 6: what this says about criminal justice and hip hop, and

884
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Speaker 6: I just I think that's a you know, a guy

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Speaker 6: and you know, alleged gang members who have been well

886
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Speaker 6: known in Atlanta for a while, and finally there was

887
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Speaker 6: like a political ground swell in the prosecutor's office to

888
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Speaker 6: charge them. Like I'm not sure, because I mean, the

889
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Speaker 6: criminal the American criminal justice system is just so huge

890
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Speaker 6: and vast and in the end, it all just comes

891
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 6: down to individual people, and it kind of comes down

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Speaker 6: to politics. So it's like what they say about all

893
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Speaker 6: politics is local, you know.

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Speaker 4: You know, I agree with you in part and disagree

895
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Speaker 4: with you in part because you're right, like every case

896
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Speaker 4: is individual. Like there's people who commit a murder on

897
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Speaker 4: the street are not thinking about grand questions of criminal

898
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Speaker 4: justice in the United States. They're doing whatever they're going

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Speaker 4: to do. And it is, in fact, like it's it's

900
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Speaker 4: not just all politics are local. All murder pretty much

901
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Speaker 4: is local too. What I'm thinking about is how like

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00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 4: the ymw or why why Yeah Melli case in Florida,

903
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Speaker 4: or the recent convictions in New York of like the

904
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Speaker 4: Gorilla gang guy and all the stuff that's been going

905
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Speaker 4: on in Chicago would drill, and the Memphis stuff that's

906
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Speaker 4: been going on recently. What I'm looking for are signs

907
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: that prosecutor around the country are looking at this case

908
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Speaker 4: and in sort of trepidation of saying, all right, if

909
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Speaker 4: I want to roll up a street gig in Louisiana,

910
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 4: in New Orleans that's got a lot of ties to

911
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Speaker 4: the music industry, is this what I'm going to go

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Speaker 4: through in order to get at it, like setting aside

913
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Speaker 4: the question of guilt or astance of young thug or

914
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Speaker 4: the trial itself. The process here looks nuts, and I'm

915
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Speaker 4: imagining other district attorneys looking at this going how do

916
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Speaker 4: I not do that? If I'm going to try to

917
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Speaker 4: get at any of this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is is that, like going into

919
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Speaker 1: the Ysel trial, there was so much news coverage about

920
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: the historic precedence, you know, about lyrics and even just

921
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: the image of that being used in trial. So it's

922
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Speaker 1: not necessarily a new technique. I think what is new

923
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Speaker 1: is precisely the reason why it's fitting for Megan to

924
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Speaker 1: be on here today is that it's to a national audience.

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Speaker 1: Even all of these particularly local cases. King Slime is

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Speaker 1: emblematic of how we've had to talk about Atlanta politics,

927
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Speaker 1: how politics being local on the national stage, specifically because

928
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Speaker 1: hip hop is the music of the moment. And so

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Speaker 1: that's the conundrum that people will find themselves in, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder if these courts are going to be ready

931
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Speaker 1: for that sort of scrutiny. So maybe yes, they're looking

932
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Speaker 1: to them as a tactic, But like when it comes

933
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Speaker 1: to a jury being able to process, what is being

934
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Speaker 1: presented in court and court alone. I feel like that's

935
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Speaker 1: going to get even more challenging as time wear is

936
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Speaker 1: on because of how everything is being documented on social

937
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: media and thrown up for everybody to see. It's going

938
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Speaker 1: to get harder and harder to ignore the peanut gallery,

939
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Speaker 1: the commentary, all that kind of stuff, especially when hip

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Speaker 1: hop's audience is very much online.

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Speaker 6: Know, all I know is that the das that I

942
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Speaker 6: know of, like the DA in LA guess going, he

943
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Speaker 6: would never bring a case like this.

944
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Speaker 3: LA would never bring a case like this.

945
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Speaker 6: The Orange County DA, Orange County, California is more conservative

946
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Speaker 6: and would be like prone to maybe bring a case

947
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Speaker 6: like this if they had anyone to bring a case

948
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Speaker 6: like this against. I mean, there's no kind of like

949
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Speaker 6: hip hop or you know, kind of wrap gang problem

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Speaker 6: in Orange County. But if there was the idea that

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Speaker 6: he would think that he needs to take any advice

952
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Speaker 6: from some LA, from some DA over on the other

953
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Speaker 6: side of the country, like no way, like maybe there's

954
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Speaker 6: some you know, it's probably more local, like like southern,

955
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Speaker 6: like like you were saying, like New Orleans, you know, Florida.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if if those people are kind of looking

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Speaker 6: at this case as some kind of kind of test

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Speaker 6: for it.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't see any kind of das on like the

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Speaker 6: West Coast kind of that interested in this.

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Speaker 7: That's interesting, So Megan, I'm curious maybe maybe last question here.

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Speaker 7: So obviously covering this remotely, you know, you're you're in

964
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Speaker 7: the in the courtroom for the Tory Lanes trial, So

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Speaker 7: how is it different, you know, dialing in remotely and

966
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Speaker 7: covering this on your computer instead of being in person.

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Speaker 3: To me, it's just.

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Speaker 6: Great because like the trial is just I mean I

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Speaker 6: couldn't if I was over that. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 6: it's a local trial about you know, county cops testifying

971
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Speaker 6: about you know, an armed robbery or something, and in

972
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Speaker 6: the way it's so slow and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm just thank god for the for the live stream.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's just not the kind of case that I'm the

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Speaker 6: trial that I'm used to covering in terms of like

977
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Speaker 6: how it's managed.

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't.

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Speaker 6: I couldn't last a day over there with all their

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Speaker 6: with all their breaks and everything. So I mean you

981
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Speaker 6: do kind of miss like the you know, if there's

982
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Speaker 6: people in the gallery and stuff. But this trial is

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Speaker 6: just so different in terms of how big and sprawling

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Speaker 6: it is.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 3: You know, trials have like feels to it.

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Speaker 6: You can kind of get a vibe from the courtroom,

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Speaker 6: but I'm not sure if this one would really have that.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 9: Fine, wow, okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, thank you so much Megan for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if you can find you over on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: Instagram at TikTok at Meghan qunif you've also got your

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Speaker 1: subseac what you mentioned Legals Affairs and trials dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. King Slime is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts and Heirloom Media.

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Speaker 4: It's written and produced by George Cheaty, Christina Lee, and Tommy.

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Speaker 1: Andres, mixing sound design and original music by Evan Tyre

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Speaker 1: and Taylor Chakoi.

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Speaker 4: The executive producer and editor is Tommy Andres.

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Speaker 1: Our theme music is by Done Deal.

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