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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A dating app Shade Robinson, just nineteen, dismembered, went on

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Speaker 2: a date with the wrong man. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: The search for Shade Robinson's remains continue. Shade's right leg,

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Speaker 3: left foot, torso, and one of her arms were found

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Speaker 3: scattered around Milwaukee more than a month after her death.

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Speaker 3: A second arm washed up on a Wakegan, Illinois beach.

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Speaker 3: It has now been confirmed as Shade's through DNA testing.

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Speaker 3: Shade's head and right leg are still missing, preventing her

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Speaker 3: family from laying her to rest.

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Speaker 2: They can't even have a funeral because they don't have

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Speaker 2: all of their daughter. In the last hours, we learn

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Speaker 2: that LA law enforcement is honing in on dating apps.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if dating.

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Speaker 2: Apps had anything to do with this teen girl's murder

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Speaker 2: and dismemberment, then they need to be outlawed. I don't

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Speaker 2: like saying that, but how many cases do we hear

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Speaker 2: about where women, young ladies, teen girls like Shadai go

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Speaker 2: on a date engineered by a dating app and.

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Speaker 1: They're never seen alive again. Joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: Is a very special guest, a woman I now consider

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Speaker 2: a friend, Sheena Scarborough.

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Speaker 1: This is shaw Dat's mother.

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Speaker 2: Missus Scarborough. This morning when my twins love to go

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Speaker 2: to school. You know, they're just a couple of years

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Speaker 2: younger than Shawda. I watched my daughter walk out, and

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Speaker 2: I knew that tonight I was going to be speaking

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Speaker 2: with you, and my stomach just just just seized up.

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Speaker 4: I just.

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Speaker 2: How do you keep putting one foot in front of

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Speaker 2: the other.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this girl.

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Speaker 2: Was everything, so smart, had her own little apartment that

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Speaker 2: she paid for by herself, had her own little car,

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Speaker 2: was going to college class.

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Speaker 1: It's the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, Nancy, this is so.

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Speaker 5: Challenging daily, I don't know how I'm doing it.

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Speaker 4: I'm walking and shunny spirit and in her grace, I

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Speaker 4: am her voice.

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Speaker 5: I have to speak an advocate through her for others.

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Speaker 5: This is not something that just like pulled up. It happened.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: This is a waking nightmare. Daily.

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Speaker 4: Every day I'll wake up. I can't believe what is

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Speaker 4: taking place. I am Shutty Robinson's mother. This is very ongoing,

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Speaker 4: the tragic. My baby was my everything. She's my light,

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Speaker 4: she's my star. She was so amazingly beautiful, like you

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Speaker 4: stated she was so independent, so sufficient, She had her

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Speaker 4: whole life ahead of her.

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Speaker 5: She worked two jobs. She was dedicated.

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Speaker 4: She was strong, two full time jobs the pizza shuttle.

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Speaker 5: She was ranked up to manager. She started working in

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Speaker 5: the tenth grade.

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Speaker 4: Was ongoing getting promoted dollar raises every six months, so

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Speaker 4: they wanted her to be manager. She worked at the

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Speaker 4: Wisconsin Club part time, the Wisconsin Country Club. She got

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Speaker 4: her little sister a job there. That was her little

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Speaker 4: sister's first job. This has been traumatic and ongoing.

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Speaker 5: She was she was scheduled. She did receive her Associate

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Speaker 5: of Arts degree in May.

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Speaker 4: Nancy, everything has been back to back since the last

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Speaker 4: time I've seen you from the Maxwell Anderson. That hard

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Speaker 4: and hurt my baby. I want that individual and this

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Speaker 4: family held fully accountable. This is unacceptable behavior. My daughter

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Speaker 4: can not Deserboro.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to tell you that in the last days,

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Speaker 2: his lawyer has demanded that he have a laptop behind bars.

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Speaker 1: He can kiss my rear end if he's going.

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Speaker 2: To get a private laptop behind bars. Miss Garborough, I'm

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Speaker 2: seeing you and you have definitely you're wasting away. You

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Speaker 2: just I can look at you and you have lost

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Speaker 2: so much weight. You're wasting away. How are you managing

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Speaker 4: I can't sleep, Nancy, I can't eat. I'm doing ongoing,

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Speaker 4: you know, therapy alone with my youngest daughter.

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Speaker 4: Symptoms, physical symptoms. I don't mean to get in death,

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Speaker 4: but I don't share this a lot. But since this

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Speaker 4: I can literally feel the symptoms of what this person

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Speaker 4: way physically. It's a lot of different layers of things

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Speaker 4: going on with my physical wealth. I can't describe it,

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Speaker 4: but I don't know. Nancy is through. It is very challenging.

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Speaker 2: Guys joining me in addition to Miss Sheena Scarborough, who

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Speaker 2: is Shade's mother, who has vowed to be her daughter's

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Speaker 2: voice throughout all of this, we are still on the

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Speaker 2: search for parts of Shade's body, but we are learning

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Speaker 2: in the last days that police are focusing now on

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Speaker 2: various dating apps as to how this teen girl met

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Speaker 2: up with a much much older man. The defendant his

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Speaker 2: dad highly highly successful. His dad has a big local

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Speaker 1: Maxwell Anderson, thirty three years old.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he said to her on this

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Speaker 2: dating app to make her think that it was okay

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Speaker 2: to go with him. But we're not only learning about

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Speaker 2: an alleged CI, a confidential informant that claims this guy,

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Speaker 2: Maxwell Anderson told him the CI that he was going

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Speaker 2: to lure shaw Day, take her to the basement, shoot her,

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Speaker 2: that and does nothing But regarding these newly released warrants, listen.

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Speaker 6: Eight unsealed warrants are giving new insights into the investigation

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Speaker 6: of shaw De Robinson's murder. Newly released surveillance images show

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Speaker 6: Shawde meeting Anderson at the Twisted Fishermen for their date.

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Speaker 6: The warrants also reveal police or reviewing employment records and

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Speaker 6: surveillance from Victor's nightclub. Anderson reportedly worked at Victor's, a

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Speaker 6: club that one of Shawde's coworkers as they frequented. Investigators

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Speaker 6: are trying to determine how Shawde met Anderson.

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Speaker 2: Joining US now investigative reporter and anchor at Fox six Milwaukee, Aaron.

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Speaker 1: Mabon, Aarin thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I've got so much evidence is being uncovered right now,

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Speaker 2: specifically as it relates to what we've discovered in those

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Speaker 2: just unsealed search warrants.

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Speaker 7: What have you learned, well, I think the search warrants

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Speaker 7: it's very clear, Nancy. What the search warrants say is

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Speaker 7: that this was a planned situation according to this informant

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Speaker 7: who came out days after all this kind of was revealed.

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Speaker 7: This person came out afterwards and let investigators know that

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Speaker 7: they went inside Maxwell Anderson's home. They saw three saws

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Speaker 7: in there, they saw tarp in there too, and they

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Speaker 7: had information that this was going to happen. And what's

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Speaker 7: really fascinating, Nancy is then nothing came out until after

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Speaker 7: the death. That's what a lot of people find really

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Speaker 7: chilling in these unsealed search warrants too. So you know

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Speaker 7: a lot of people that we talked about.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, let me understand something. Aaron Maybon joining us

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Speaker 2: fought six Milwaukee. So the sea I, the friend of

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Speaker 2: the defendant Maxwell Anderson, goes into Anderson's home and he

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Speaker 7: That's what the search warren say that this was seen

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Speaker 7: before Shade was murdered, and this CI had information never

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Speaker 1: Shade Robinson goes missing.

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Speaker 7: Maxwell Anderson is a prime suspect, and then the CI

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Speaker 7: informs police about what they allegedly saw inside of that home.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're absolutely correct, Aaron Mayban listen.

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Speaker 8: Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of

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Speaker 8: his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source,

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Speaker 8: Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close

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Speaker 8: friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's

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Speaker 8: home last year, he noticed a large hole in the

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Speaker 8: Anderson said he was working on an un ground basement,

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Speaker 8: despite having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors

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Speaker 8: say the basement in the home had small windows that

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Speaker 8: were always covered so you could not see inside.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, So this so called friend

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Speaker 2: ciconditional informant knew that all of this was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Based on what you're learning from the warrants, Aaron Maybin

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Speaker 2: had Shade, a teen girl already been targeted as the victim.

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Speaker 7: You know what the warrant looks like. Nancy is that

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Speaker 7: he planned on killing Shade Robinson. According to this search warrant,

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Speaker 7: and again, Maxwell Anderson has not said anything. Attorney not

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Speaker 7: saying a thing either, And that's just you know, what

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Speaker 7: we're reading in here is some pretty chilling stuff. But

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Speaker 7: what's not clear Nancy is why exactly she was picked out,

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Speaker 7: why exactly she was targeted, And that's what family is

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Speaker 7: likely wanted to know too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So from what I'm understanding, he actually targeted Shahday specifically.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't going to lure.

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Speaker 2: A woman, any woman, to his home, take her down

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Speaker 2: the stairs into the basement, murder and dismember her. It

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Speaker 2: was Shaday specifically that he wanted.

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Speaker 9: Listen, a friend of Anderson's is now working with law

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Speaker 9: enforcement as a confidential informant. The CI tells investigators in

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Speaker 9: early March, Anderson spoke of a plan to lure Shande

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Speaker 9: Robinson to his home, then forced her into the basement

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Speaker 9: at gunpoint, where he would shoot her, then dismember her

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Speaker 9: body and scatter her remains. The CI says Anderson showed

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Speaker 9: three saws in the prepfed basement.

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons help me.

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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security who

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Speaker 2: leads a team of investigators often looking for missing people. Brian,

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Speaker 2: did you hear what a reporter with Crime Online just

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Speaker 2: stated that the CI talk about a day late and

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Speaker 2: a dollar short. The friend of Anderson's spoke of Anderson's

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Speaker 2: plan to lure Shahday specifically.

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Speaker 1: Not just I'm going to get a woman and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do X Y and Z. It was Shahday.

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Speaker 2: He wanted then to quote force her into the basement

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Speaker 2: at gunpoint, where he would shoot her and dismember her

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Speaker 2: and scatter the remains. And he had prepped it like

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Speaker 1: What about it, Nancy?

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Speaker 10: This speaks to the diabolical premeditation that took place here, okay,

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Speaker 10: And it also speaks to the circs that Anderson was

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Speaker 10: running in the fact that, nearly a month before Shahde

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Speaker 10: went missing, this confidential informant knew specifically about Anderson's plans,

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Speaker 10: So aside from the evidentiary value of this confidential informance

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Speaker 10: witness statement, you need to it adds a tremendous amount

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Speaker 10: of color to the life that Maxwell Anderson was leading.

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Speaker 2: Okay, see you know what, Fitz Gibbons, you're talking in

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Speaker 2: your USPA Nationwide Security Code all right, speak regular people talk.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: What did you just say about the color in which

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Speaker 2: his environment was painted? What are you saying? I think

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Speaker 2: what you're saying. Let me just be so bold as

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Speaker 2: to climb out on a limar that.

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Speaker 1: Look at the people he's consorting with.

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Speaker 2: People that you say, Hey, I'm going to get this girl,

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Speaker 2: this teen girl, Shahdai, she's gore, she's brilliant. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to get her and lure her into my basement at gunpoint,

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Speaker 2: force her down there. I'm going to kill her and

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Speaker 2: then I'm going to dismember her and leave her body

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Speaker 2: parts around town for people to find.

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Speaker 1: And this guy does nothing.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'd have been on my cell phone as soon

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Speaker 2: as I got clear of that house.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying to s Gibbon speak English

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Speaker 1: to me, man, that is exactly what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: March fifth.

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Speaker 10: This conversation with the confidential informant and Anderson takes place,

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Speaker 10: still thirteen days after Shade was missing. You know, this

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Speaker 1: But why her?

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Speaker 2: Why did he target this teen girl, this beautiful girl?

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Speaker 1: Why shaw Day?

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Speaker 11: I'm come here today.

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Speaker 12: This is the hardest thing I would ever have to

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Speaker 11: Shaddy was a beautiful soul. She was an amazing girl. Nancy,

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Speaker 11: everything he spoke is exactly what my daughter exerted. I

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Speaker 12: There was things my daughter did that many adults were

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Speaker 11: The son of a took fun daughter from me.

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Speaker 2: That's Shade's mother, She and and Scarborough. She's with us now,

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Speaker 2: missus Scarborough, thank you for speaking out. I mean from

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Speaker 2: when we spoke then to now. I was looking at

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Speaker 1: I could just see how much weight you have lost.

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Speaker 2: And now when we are what we're learning from these

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Speaker 2: search warrants that he didn't planning to pick any woman

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Speaker 1: He targeted shaw Day.

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Speaker 4: Why Nancy, I I don't know why my daughter was

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Speaker 4: our community, and Milwaukee is very concerning. Milwaukee is a

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Speaker 4: well known place for other serial killers known as you

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Speaker 4: know Dahmer and other type of situations. I feel very

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Speaker 4: unsafe in Milwaukee right now. I'm concerned. As you stated,

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Speaker 5: Today. I'm concerned for my baby, my youngest.

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Speaker 4: It's a feeling, It's an edge, anxiety, anxious, constant feeling

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Speaker 4: knowing that there are serial killers in our community.

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Speaker 5: This could have been any one of our daughters.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why God selected us to BEAUTI voice

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho Alla, is joining us out

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Speaker 2: of LA, author of the book deal Breaker. You can

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Speaker 2: see her also on Peacock Now, doctor Bethany Marshall at

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, Doctor Bethany Why shaw Day.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get into whole dating app thing in

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Speaker 2: just a moment. Because this CI, this friend is blowing

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Speaker 2: me away. He goes to the perps time who is

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Speaker 2: a rich, spoiled brat suspect.

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Speaker 1: He's had a silver spoon in his mouth. It's day one.

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Speaker 2: But even if Daddy Keith didn't keep him at the office,

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Speaker 2: he had to let him go. I can only imagine this. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I can't even stand a look at him. Why Shunday,

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Speaker 2: Why did he have to pick a teen girl?

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Speaker 13: I have a theory about why shut A. Shud A

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Speaker 13: is gorgeous, young, successful, She already has her AA, two jobs,

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Speaker 13: was envious of her, kind of like in cells where

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Speaker 1: They envy the woman.

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Speaker 13: They think the woman is above them, but they.

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Speaker 1: Want to take the woman down.

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Speaker 13: So there's destructive a envy, there's destructive hatred. I bet

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Speaker 13: he had a lot of targets, but she just rose

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Speaker 1: And this CI Nancy.

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Speaker 13: I bet we're going to learn that Maxwell Anderson was

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Speaker 13: a part of some underground either drug community or sex community.

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Speaker 13: And there are more people that knew than just the CI.

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Speaker 13: He wasn't just bragging to one person. He was either

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Speaker 13: all held in comment on.

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Speaker 5: There's going to be a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yes, talked to Ethne before I speculate or you lead

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Speaker 2: me down the garden path about underground sex clubs. Can

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Speaker 2: I talk about what I absolutely know because I can't

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Speaker 2: put your speculation no offense in front of a jury.

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Speaker 2: I care about probate effects. If I can't get him

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Speaker 2: into evidence, they don't exist to me. But what I

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Speaker 2: these search warrants. I'm going to go back to Aaron

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Speaker 2: Maybon on that regarding dating apps that he was using

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Speaker 2: and how Shade ends up dead and it's.

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Speaker 1: Not the first time this has happened. Listen.

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Speaker 9: Sidney Loof agrees to meet her tender date Audrey again

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Speaker 9: man is driving. Audrey picked Sydney up, but Sydney still

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Speaker 9: who police identify as Bailey Boswell. A month later, parts

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Speaker 5: I met her on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: I went to take her home and she asked me

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Speaker 5: I gave her my number.

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Speaker 4: We were planning to go to the casino that weekend.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't heard from her since.

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Speaker 9: Footage from inside the unfinished basement the police have called

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Speaker 9: a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole

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Speaker 2: You are seeing video we have obtained of the so

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Speaker 2: called sex dungeon and the defendant's basement. He was digging

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Speaker 2: another dungeon beneath that. The thought of this beautiful girl,

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Speaker 2: Shade Robinson dying here, being dismembered here, her last moments

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Speaker 2: year old Maxwell Anderson with me is Chade's mother, Sheena Scarborough.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have seen the footage of

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Speaker 1: Defendant picked shah D out of all the women in

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Speaker 2: To lure her down to that filthy basement to murder her.

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand why her. Have you seen that basement?

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Speaker 4: It discusses me, Nancy, my daughter, to not deserve this.

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Speaker 4: This is unsurreal, This is freaking unsurreal.

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Speaker 5: Like I don't know how we.

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Speaker 4: Were placing this nightmare by this demon, okay demon, and

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Speaker 4: I don't want to go there. But there's no other

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Speaker 5: Again, like I.

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Speaker 4: Speaking upon what the individual stated earlier, my daughter was

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Speaker 4: very highly achievable successful. I don't know what the motive

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Speaker 4: the cycle paths think like this is unsurreal. But this

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Speaker 2: Aaron may have been joining me now, investigative reporter and

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Speaker 2: how and figure out how he identified Shade. And I'm

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Speaker 2: he left a trail digitally on his computer, on his laptop,

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Speaker 2: on his cell phone. But Victor's bar plays a role

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Speaker 2: think there's a similar transaction. A woman that claims she

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Speaker 1: Something in her drink.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just to start with that, because I'm wondering and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crown's

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Speaker 2: very important to prove how the two connected, not just

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Speaker 2: a matter of my own curiosity why pick her, but probatively,

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Speaker 2: what can I tell a jury, Aaron, What am I

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Speaker 2: going to learn digitally? What footprint did he lead as

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we know that he did work at Victor's Bar,

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Speaker 7: Robinson came into contact with Maxwell Anderson at Victors, but

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Speaker 7: that was part of the story really early on Nancy,

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Speaker 7: And it could have been a place, according to investigators,

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Speaker 7: So that's kind of where police are honing in on things.

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Speaker 7: And not only Victor's Bar, but and you touched on

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Speaker 7: this earlier. Dating apps are playing a role in all

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Speaker 7: this too, in this digital footprint. According to a search warrant,

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Speaker 7: he had at least dating apps on his phone. You know,

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Speaker 7: not too unpopular for someone in their twenties and thirties, Nancy,

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Speaker 7: because you know the game has changed. People are meeting

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security, Brian, how many cases?

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Speaker 1: And I've told a Minia jury this.

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Speaker 2: People covet that which they see, Okay, like David and Mathsheba.

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Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, he looks off as ruthin there she

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Speaker 1: It's as old as the story can be.

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Speaker 2: And here there he is working in that bar, got

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Speaker 2: and she is his target. And he tells his friend,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get her, not like I'm gonna woo her,

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Speaker 2: to get her. I'm going to allure her right here

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Speaker 2: what I think happened. How can I prove it? How

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Speaker 2: can I prove it?

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Speaker 1: Fitz Gibbons.

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Speaker 10: I think most likely their first interaction was at Victor's

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Speaker 10: And then we're hopeful that investigators through these dating apps,

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Speaker 10: through these profiles are going to find that probative evidence

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Speaker 10: that you're looking for to prove Andersen's targeting.

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Speaker 14: Okay, just to watch his targeting and see it unfold digitally.

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Speaker 14: Cops are also honing in on Anderson's dating app activity.

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Speaker 14: A folder in Anderson's home labeled dating contained handwritten logins

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Speaker 14: drugged her drink.

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Speaker 1: Is there a similar transaction?

441
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Speaker 2: Are there other women out there that interacted with this guy,

442
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: Maxwell Anderson that lived to tell the tale, or are

443
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: there other women who became his murder victims. We're trying

444
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Speaker 2: to piece together everything we know. Joining me right now,

445
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, renowned chief medical Examiner, Terrance County Lecturer

446
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: at the esteemed Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas

447
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: Christian University, Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with

448
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: us and let me hit you right off the top.

449
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Speaker 2: Have you ever analyzed a dismemberment case?

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Speaker 15: Yes, over the years, I've analyzed several dismemberment cases in

451
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 15: my career.

452
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Speaker 2: How will we be able to tell whether these injuries

453
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Speaker 2: to shade happened pre mortem or after death post mortem?

454
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Speaker 15: So there's a couple of ways to tell. Usually, when

455
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 15: someone is alive and they're shot or stabbed, they will

456
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Speaker 15: be hemorrhage into the tissues surrounding the injuries. The heart

457
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 15: stops beating these injuries. These tissues won't have the hemorrhage

458
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 15: in them if you cause further damage, So if you're

459
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 15: cutting a limb off or something like that, the cut

460
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Speaker 15: area will be bloodless. So that's one way you can

461
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Speaker 15: tell it. The only problem is is when those limbs

462
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Speaker 15: get thrown into water or get rained on something like that,

463
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Speaker 15: the water can actually wash the blood out of the tissues,

464
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Speaker 15: so it will make it kind of hard to tell

465
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Speaker 15: if it happened pre mortem or post mortem. But the

466
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Speaker 15: one main thing is is you can look for hemorrhage

467
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Speaker 15: in the tissue.

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Speaker 1: I got to understand what you just said, doctor Kendall Crowns.

469
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Speaker 2: You said to tell if the injuries, the dismemberment occurred

470
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Speaker 2: before death or after death, that you would look for

471
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Speaker 2: hemorrhaging at the sight of the semmer where the limb

472
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: was cut, where the leg was cut off.

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Speaker 1: Now what does that mean?

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Speaker 14: Correct?

475
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Speaker 1: Did at that point.

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Speaker 5: Was she?

477
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Speaker 1: Did? She bleed? She did not bleed. It was postmortem

478
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Speaker 1: after death because the heart was no longer pumping.

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Speaker 5: Is that what you just said, Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 11: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Then you said if the body parts, which is a

482
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Speaker 2: leg or an arm, had been in water or rained upon,

483
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Speaker 2: it would destroy that evidence. In other words, you won't

484
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Speaker 2: be able to see even under a microscope if there

485
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Speaker 2: had been hemorrhaging, in other words, bleeding.

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Speaker 15: Is that what you just said, Yes, that's correct. The

487
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Speaker 15: water will wash out the blood out of the tissues

488
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Speaker 15: as it's in them, is it's in a watery environment

489
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Speaker 15: for a long period of time.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

491
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Speaker 2: Many of these body parts of this gorgeous girl were

492
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Speaker 2: left out in the open, Aaron Maybin very quickly investigating

493
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Speaker 2: reporter Fox six Milwaukee.

494
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Speaker 1: Her body parts of this girl were left all over

495
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Speaker 1: and that was his plan.

496
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Speaker 2: He told the CI his friend, like the devil can

497
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: have a friend, he tells his friend that he's going

498
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: to lure her, take her down into the basement ie

499
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: sex dungeon looks like a filthy basement in me, kill

500
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Speaker 2: her and then dismember her and leave her body parts

501
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: all over town.

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Speaker 1: That was his original plan. Aaron Mabon, isn't that true?

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Speaker 7: And Nancy, when you look at the map that we're

504
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 7: looking at right now, that's something because you have to

505
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 7: realize that those body parts were left or other people

506
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 7: to find. So people walking on the beach and they

507
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 7: just find a severed arm. They're walking through their neighborhood

508
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 7: near a playground, Nancy, and they are finding body parts too.

509
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 7: So yeah, according to the CI, that was a goal

510
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Speaker 7: to dismember the body. Sprinkle it throughout town. We know

511
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 7: from police that there's surveillance evidence of him on different

512
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 7: bus routes him all over town. And they have piece

513
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Speaker 7: it together like this right here with the bat. They

514
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 7: pieced it together that he was just dumping body parts

515
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 7: all over the place.

516
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: One part even left.

517
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Speaker 7: The state of Wisconsin. It went to Illinois and washed

518
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 7: down the shore to Illinois where someone else found that

519
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 7: body part.

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Speaker 2: Maybon, Maybon, you're actually making my stomach physically hurt right now.

521
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: You're actually making my stomach hurt. Doctor hold on, Doctor

522
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, because I got to talk to you about

523
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: how difficult it is to actually dismember someone, and how

524
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this ain't this guy's first time at

525
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: the rodeo, all right, because he planned this whole thing out. Hold,

526
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: doctor Crowns, Doctor Bethany Marshall, you gotta help me right now,

527
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: because this was his plan all along to get this girl,

528
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: not any girl, shah Day as I said, the jewel

529
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: in the crown, the gorgeous girl sitting at his bar

530
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: at Victor's, he gets, sir, and all along he told

531
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Speaker 2: his friend up front he's going to get her her

532
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: take her in the basement a gunpoint, kill her and

533
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: dismever her and put her body parts all over town.

534
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 11: What is that?

535
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Speaker 2: Why would he put this girl's body parts where other

536
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: people can find them.

537
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Speaker 13: You know what's interesting, Nancy, is he doesn't seem to

538
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 13: be scattering her remains in order to not be ided.

539
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 13: He's scattering them because he wants to have power over

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00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 13: the community.

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Speaker 1: He wants to terrify and terrorize everybody. Big guys, I

542
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: don't even know what you're saying. He wanted to have

543
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: power over the community, terrify the community, right now, that's

544
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: not what happened. I'm not but I know he didn't

545
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: do this to have power over the community. I've never

546
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Speaker 1: even heard anything like that.

547
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Speaker 5: But this reminds me.

548
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Speaker 2: See a freak. He is a devil straight from hell.

549
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: That's why he did it. But there's got to be

550
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: most killers, Bethany. They want to hide the body. They

551
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: bury it, they put it in the ocean, they weigh

552
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: it down with semit Brooks, like Scott Peters and did Lacy.

553
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: This guy left her remains in public parks for children

554
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: to find.

555
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: Now straight that focus focus, Well, I.

556
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 13: Think somehow that was sexually exciting to him. Just like

557
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 13: the sexual sadism you and I often talk about where

558
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 13: the perpetrator inflicts cruelty in order to increase sexual arousal.

559
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 13: That this is just prolonging the crime, and it's sort

560
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 13: of exciting to scatter these parts all over the community

561
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 13: and to imagine what their reactions will be. This is

562
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Speaker 13: a little guy who can't get a job at his

563
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 13: own father's store. He's small in life, he's small in stature,

564
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 13: he's small psychologically, and this is the only way he

565
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 13: can get excitement. Is this form of thrill seeking. It

566
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Speaker 13: actually reminds me, Nancy, you said free.

567
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Speaker 2: I got to go to Miss Garborough, Miss Scarborough, just

568
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: the thought of the this devil after what he did

569
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: to shaw Day then taking her body part and lee

570
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: what on the kid's slide at the playground and somehow

571
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: enjoying that. I don't understand how anybody can be so evil.

572
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: And he's not crazy, he's not crazy, he's sane.

573
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Speaker 5: It's a sex son of a I'm sorry, excuse my language.

574
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Speaker 4: I can that this is I don't even know how

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Speaker 4: I'm present to be able to be here and discuss

576
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: these things with you. But again, my community needs to

577
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 4: be aware and they need to know what's going on.

578
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 4: They need to be watching out for their kids. Look

579
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 4: what type of individual justice? Why would you harm my baby?

580
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 4: She hurt nobody. She was angelic, She put out good energy.

581
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 4: She helped others. He was there for the community. She

582
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: was there for the elders, the young people, her peers.

583
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 4: She was constantly giving back. There is something deeper into this,

584
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: but the truth is going to be told. We are

585
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 4: worthy for a jury, the trial dream. I want justice

586
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 4: for Shutte. I want the truth to be told.

587
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: Now we are learning that this spoiled Bratt Maxwell Anderson,

588
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: aged thirty three, working part time and to get pick

589
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 2: up a job, turned his cell phone off. Wow, sounds

590
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 2: a lot like Brian Cooberger at the same time Shade

591
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: was murdered. Let me go very quickly to doctor Kendall

592
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: Crowns before I get off on the cell phone and

593
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: what it means that coincidentally he turned his phone off

594
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: at the exact time Shaide was killed. Doctor Kendall Crowns,

595
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Speaker 2: how difficult is it to dismember a human body?

596
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Speaker 1: I mean this was his plan all along. He told

597
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: the CI that and he did so.

598
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 15: It depends on how you dismember the individual. If you

599
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 15: cut it joint spaces, like along the wrist or the

600
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 15: elbow or the shoulder, you can actually pull the limb

601
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 15: off quite easily. But if you start cutting in the

602
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 15: midshaft of the bone itself, it's very hard to get

603
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 15: through the bone. So if you know what you're doing,

604
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 15: you can dismember an individual quite quickly.

605
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: But if you're focusing on wait, if you know what

606
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: you're doing, did you just say that I'm sorry?

607
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 15: Yes?

608
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: Did you just say If you know what you're doing,

609
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: you can dismember human very quickly.

610
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: Okay, well let's just go.

611
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: Let me just again go out on a limb and

612
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: pretend this is his first time dismembering someone.

613
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: How did he know what he's doing?

614
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Speaker 15: Well, if he has any background in hunting or cooking

615
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 15: or anything like that where he's worked with chickens, it's

616
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 15: if you understand where the joint spaces are, you can

617
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 15: dismember an individual quite quickly. But again, if you don't

618
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 15: understand that.

619
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Speaker 2: You say, do you mean my quickly? I think you

620
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: and I are in two different time space continuums.

621
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Speaker 4: What do you mean?

622
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: You can dismember a body relatively quickly?

623
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 15: Again, you can take the if you go for their

624
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 15: joint spaces, you can take each arm.

625
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: Off each What is quickly? What is quickly? To doctor

626
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, What does that mean to you? How quickly

627
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: can you dismember under an hour? Wait, we're not talking

628
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: about Dexter.

629
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Speaker 2: It takes an hour for one one episode of Dexter,

630
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Speaker 2: and that's start to finish alpha Omega.

631
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Speaker 1: Soup to nuts.

632
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Speaker 2: You're telling me a body can be dismembered by an

633
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 2: amateur in an hour.

634
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 15: Well, by an amateur, it'd probably take over an hour,

635
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 15: maybe longer, maybe several hours. Again, it's just what is

636
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 15: their knowledge base for taking a part limbs?

637
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm going to go with what you just said.

638
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: Anthony Marshall. The dismemberment of this little girl was part

639
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: of his fantasy.

640
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Speaker 1: Yes, I bet you.

641
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: He dragged it out, the placing of the body bars

642
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: on the kid's slide, So it's almost more than I

643
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: can take, can't.

644
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Speaker 1: I hate to even say it in front of Miss

645
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: Shena Nacy.

646
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 13: I didn't want to say this in front of missus Robinson,

647
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 13: and I don't want to be offensive, but this was

648
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 13: a sexually motivated crime. This is a beautiful young woman

649
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Speaker 13: and torturing her, dragging this out, dismembering her. All of

650
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 13: those acts of cruelty were to enhance his sexual arousal.

651
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 13: But nancy then placing the body parts around shocking other people,

652
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 13: it's the element of shock that made him sexually excited.

653
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 13: So this guy is just prolonging the crime, and he

654
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Speaker 13: probably built up to it for a.

655
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Speaker 1: Long long time.

656
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Speaker 13: Even in terms of the dismembering. I would look at

657
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Speaker 13: his computer and see if he googled how to do that,

658
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 13: because he was already planned to do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I look at these pictures of shah

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Speaker 2: Dah in life, it's hard for me to reconcile these vibrant,

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Speaker 2: beautiful photos with what I know happened in his filthy,

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Speaker 2: disgusting basement.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Our duty is not to turn

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Speaker 1: away from the evidence.

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Speaker 2: Our duty is to seek the truth and thereby seek

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Speaker 2: a true verdict, regardless of the nature of the evidence.

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Speaker 2: And that is exactly what we will do in this case.

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Speaker 2: We will seek the truth as to what happened to

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Speaker 2: this tink girl, shah Day, and we will pray.

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Speaker 1: For her mother. We wait as justice unfalls goodbye friend,