WEBVTT - Ep. 080: The Fish Shack

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<v Speaker 1>This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely

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<v Speaker 1>bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't predict anything, all right, Dirt myth back from the dead.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a while. Explain your I situation. Well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell a part of it. Yeah, no, no, no, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell the first part, and I'm gonna have parts

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<v Speaker 1>of all other parts to tell. It used to be

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<v Speaker 1>that you couldn't really see anything. Yeah, just glass, like

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't see critters. Yeah, shitty game eyes. How a

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<v Speaker 1>fella might reporter. Yeah, you saw things that uh exist,

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<v Speaker 1>saw things that were not there, and then didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>things that were there. Then you went in science, you

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<v Speaker 1>went and and uh explain that got lasic, which was

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenal recommended to anybody. It was like a rebirth really. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy, like you opened your eyes and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden like, oh ship, there's all the animals. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was quick. It was like it was painless.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there is inherent risks in cutting into your

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<v Speaker 1>eye with a laser, but it was like maybe fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>minutes procedure and then maybe two hours later like it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was, it was it was crazy because the

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<v Speaker 1>glasses I had two hours later, Yeah, I could see,

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<v Speaker 1>like and it varies the recovery, you know, because they

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<v Speaker 1>they just assumed was swelling and stuff. But yet on

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<v Speaker 1>the drive back Andrew, my girlfriend drove me back to Bozeman.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time we got home, I like couldn't go

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<v Speaker 1>in the house because everything looks so cool outside. Not

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<v Speaker 1>seeing critters everywhere, yeah, and realizing the ones you thought

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<v Speaker 1>were there were they were probably scratches and eye boogers

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<v Speaker 1>on my glasses or something. And then after then you

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<v Speaker 1>started wearing glasses when uh, two thousands, like early two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand's it's not my whole life, but two you saw

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<v Speaker 1>my setup I had. I had that Jerry rigged crokey. Yeah. Garrett,

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<v Speaker 1>Garrett's father, Oh, he's gonna love this, invented activewear something

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<v Speaker 1>called activewear where he takes a piece of lawn trimmor cord, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like like the the actual cutting cord from a weed

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<v Speaker 1>whacker and he fixes uh it as a yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't like poky like band aid. Right, It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a company used to making what's like, what's the other

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<v Speaker 1>word for it, retainer? Yeah, makes an eyeglass retainer out

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<v Speaker 1>of weed whacker cord his work. But he's like his

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<v Speaker 1>are for reading glass, which I need now bad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you so you would like his like I couldn't read.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to read the dosages on fuel stabilizer

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday and nothing. It's very difficult. I've got that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Tying on hooks, small hooks, Henderson. You tie a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of small hooks professionally. Yeah, the last couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>you've been putting readers on. I've been caved in yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but I need to, dude. I was in a restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>there day was I want to get back to you, dirt,

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<v Speaker 1>cause I want to talk about you poking a hole

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<v Speaker 1>in your eye of the pine, eating dire damn in

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant, and we're gonna come back to your whole

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<v Speaker 1>little sock. So a friend of mine she had on

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of cheaters that she just got one point

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<v Speaker 1>five magnat vacation. I put those suns bitches on and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like holy, Like this is what menus look

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<v Speaker 1>like in real life. It makes you realize what happens

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<v Speaker 1>to you after you turn forty, Like so degrading man.

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<v Speaker 1>They do say forty to like the lacing and it

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<v Speaker 1>happens fast. I'm now like I dread, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you wake up the middle night and your kids like

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<v Speaker 1>sick or something. You're trying to figure out how much

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<v Speaker 1>like children's like whatever to give him ibi profen. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>this can't be happening to me. Just I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about getting a magnifying glass just to keep my pocket

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<v Speaker 1>when I get read. But I'm like, well, that's might

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<v Speaker 1>be white people wear glasses. Rogan's got cheaters. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone. Eventually he carries him around all the time

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<v Speaker 1>and he needs to read something, he puts him on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, god, I'm so jealous, man, I gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>some of those things. Well, you gotta try. I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>you some of what Dad makes. Well that's what I need.

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<v Speaker 1>I need the weed whacker cord put on them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's not gonna try to like meet girls anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. Yeah Dad, Yeah, it's not like I'm married.

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<v Speaker 1>I started weed whacker cord around my head with my

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<v Speaker 1>glasses there to it ship so dirt. There you are.

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<v Speaker 1>You got glasses when early two thousands, so you've been

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<v Speaker 1>running around the glasses of ten years, and here's what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Dirt. This is this is Yanni's theory. It's accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Yannie. Didn't you come up with this

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<v Speaker 1>theory about why Dirt pulled the hole in his eye

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<v Speaker 1>with a pine needle like days after getting laceick? Well

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<v Speaker 1>it was he had gotten You tell him your theory, Yanny.

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<v Speaker 1>Why think we should tell the story of how he

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<v Speaker 1>got poked in the eye at first? But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to Dirt tell his own story. He might leave

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<v Speaker 1>out my favorite parts. Go ahead, you tell what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Well, I do gotta say it was luckily

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<v Speaker 1>it was like two months after surgery, because but I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to tell him like I like, yeah, I like

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<v Speaker 1>to just for dramatic effect, like the mess with the

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<v Speaker 1>facts when it comes to talk about you and your eyes. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So so you tell the straight dope version. So making

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<v Speaker 1>two months later, two months later, make an epic TV

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<v Speaker 1>Steve setting up his tent on the Big Belt mountains

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<v Speaker 1>in Montana. And usually I can just freely head butt

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<v Speaker 1>pine trees with eye protection. But in this case, because

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<v Speaker 1>for ten years you been walking through the woods goggles

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<v Speaker 1>eye and not having the seeds nonetheless not having to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about that. And just like actually I was holding

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<v Speaker 1>a branch down in the branch slipped from my foot

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<v Speaker 1>as I was lowering, So it was like, yeah, the angle,

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<v Speaker 1>the dangle was worst case scenario. That's what happened. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it would go away because everyone's scratched their eye,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, or you know if you're out in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods often, but this this thing was uniquely just whatever

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<v Speaker 1>however it happened, it's got worse every day, are you guys? Luckily?

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily I work with good people, because by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, you guys are like, you should break

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<v Speaker 1>it out of here. Scratches don't get like worse the

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<v Speaker 1>next day. And it wasn't even a scratch. It ended

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<v Speaker 1>up not being a scratch. It was a puncture, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what was an abrasion forneal abrasion, But it was during

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<v Speaker 1>that day like every once in a while it was

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<v Speaker 1>pain that would almost cause me to like puke. And

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<v Speaker 1>what was happening is it it got infected and swelled up.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the next day. Well, I had a hike out.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to optomers. He said. Every time I blink, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's so swollen it would retear that flat and that

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<v Speaker 1>was where it was like, you know, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>stop a couple of times when we were hiking. But

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<v Speaker 1>the place I went to had this thing called I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember the name pro I want to say pro karra,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was stem cell from placena that they put

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<v Speaker 1>on my eye. Doptometris said it was the largest abrasion

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<v Speaker 1>he'd ever seen and was like where he said, if

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<v Speaker 1>I would have way it another day, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>lost vision in that eye. But they put this. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know that, No, no, no, not complete though like

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<v Speaker 1>it would Yeah, it would have scarred up to the

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<v Speaker 1>extent that there would have been a you know, lifetime fog. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little sense of this because right now my

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<v Speaker 1>wife's freaking out that she got a welding helmet from

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<v Speaker 1>someone kids can wash the clips through a welding helmet.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she got the reading about how there's like gradations

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<v Speaker 1>of protection in a welding helmet, like you know, eight

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<v Speaker 1>up to whatever or blow aid up to whatever you're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to have. Anyway, she's worried that didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>right glass in it and that she'd like permanently damaged

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<v Speaker 1>the kid's eyes, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just feel like they're a little more durable. Yeah, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I did. On that note, I was using one of

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<v Speaker 1>those you know they have the automatic welding masks or

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as you you know, make connection, it will

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I've used that stuff, but it's a delay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well unbeknownst to me. I mean I was younger too.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like in my early twenties. The battery was

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<v Speaker 1>dead and it wasn't actually going dark. So welded for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like an hour, and if it wasn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's tinted, and so I thought it was. I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this is great. I can see perfect during the welding,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't actually damming, and that felt that I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up burning my yeah, my eyes from that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it heals up. Um I got snow blindness. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like twice once ice fishing on Pendle's Lake in Michigan's

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<v Speaker 1>Up Peninsula and we all got it. We're all there

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<v Speaker 1>in the blaze and ass sun before we really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got onto sunglasses and um, like the Indian yeah drinking, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was real cold out and you put Boone's

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<v Speaker 1>farm out and like everything would freeze, but the syrup

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<v Speaker 1>would rise up to the surface, or just drinking the liquid,

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<v Speaker 1>the boozy lior that comes up to the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the frozen bottle of boons and now and yellow perch

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<v Speaker 1>and uh we all got and then that night man

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<v Speaker 1>get back. And also it's like it's like, hey, did

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<v Speaker 1>you guys rub gravel into my eyeballs? And then um

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<v Speaker 1>And other time I was with this dude, Rick Weirs,

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<v Speaker 1>when we were welding up snapping turtle traps. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>making them out of woven wire. We had this we

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<v Speaker 1>had this really yeah, we had this like really heavy

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<v Speaker 1>gauge woven wire and we're we're against the building that

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<v Speaker 1>had been sided and corrugated. Oh yeah, so sided in

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<v Speaker 1>court like what you put for corrugated roofing, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was sided in that so when Rick would strike the arc,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just turn and look away. But I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at that unpainted corrugated building just getting Yeah. So after

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<v Speaker 1>we got this trap welled up a couple of hours ago,

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<v Speaker 1>by and I had to go down in the emergency

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<v Speaker 1>room hurt. But that's why I would say, your kids,

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<v Speaker 1>like they would know that's what I was telling my wife.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, he wouldn't have stared at it for eight minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>But apparently you can. I don't know. I thought if

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<v Speaker 1>you had, like if you if you um are married

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, if you have children with a woman, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better that the woman worries about the kids

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<v Speaker 1>than not. Yea. You can't be like critical of someone

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<v Speaker 1>for worrying about their well being, because there's the there's

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite, right, Yeah, they doesn't care about the kids

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<v Speaker 1>well being, which is like very alarming. It's more alarming

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<v Speaker 1>than when they cared too much. That's good, that's good mother.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there you are, aunt in the woods, piney,

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<v Speaker 1>the wafts in the eye, tear's your thing. You walk out,

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<v Speaker 1>and my favorite part of the story is you had

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<v Speaker 1>the foresight to practice driving with one eye, knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>you might have to make a long drive the next

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<v Speaker 1>day with only one eye. Well, the whole hike out,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't I could not see ship man. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>something you've learned. To appreciate it to anyone who's lost

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<v Speaker 1>or you don't have to cover their eye for the

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<v Speaker 1>next period's depth perception is critical for the world being. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a decent high too. It's probably four miles.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, you know, in a day kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not just stumbling over stuff. Yeah. Death death perception

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<v Speaker 1>is a critical for driving to Yeah, man, all worked

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<v Speaker 1>out though? Is that curve up ahead or yeah? Slow?

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite part of the story isn't. Like three days

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<v Speaker 1>go by, we're texting on Garrett. He's all right, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's patch on his eyeball and everything, and he had taken, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd rent it a nice suburban for the trip. We

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<v Speaker 1>have been left with like the big cargo van. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like three days go by and we're on our way

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<v Speaker 1>home and uh, it's like, so this is a nice suburban,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what do you mean you haven't taken it back yet.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I don't know. I kind of like driving

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<v Speaker 1>it around one. We would mean Andrew would just go

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<v Speaker 1>take like even and drive just because it was so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Days after that happened, I get a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of my little nephew who had the same similar thing

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<v Speaker 1>happened where he got a devil's club, for got a

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<v Speaker 1>devil's club foreign in his eye, and it got worse

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<v Speaker 1>and worse and worse. And worse, and he wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to have surgery. Yeah, well they say, like in the

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<v Speaker 1>pictures in a wheelchair, like I think they had to

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<v Speaker 1>put him on into work on his eye. They say

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<v Speaker 1>the organic materials will cause infection faster than like metal

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<v Speaker 1>shaving or which is surprising to me, like a pine

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<v Speaker 1>needle or Devil's Devil's club. But the stems. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>blew me away was when the Dodgers like, we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>usually you could use this protective lens and it just

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<v Speaker 1>allows the eye to heel itself. He's like, but now

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<v Speaker 1>recently they passed the stem cell lens and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>he said, it would have been like three weeks with

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<v Speaker 1>the old one. The new one was three days. It

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<v Speaker 1>took longer because of the you know, just because the

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<v Speaker 1>damage was so extensive. But they make this this I

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<v Speaker 1>patch out of placena. Yeah, and it's it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it just it was awesome. And then he was saying

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing in knees and stuff. I mean, did you

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<v Speaker 1>get the one? And about whose placena was what I

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<v Speaker 1>jokingly was saying, I should track down the placena like

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<v Speaker 1>film My Journey to Find the Gal who donated and

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<v Speaker 1>tell her she's safe. Dude, if I ever had like

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of some other mug put in me like

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<v Speaker 1>how they do you know, little bits and peace, I

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<v Speaker 1>would just spend all my time reading about that person

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<v Speaker 1>and buying out about them going to visit me, and

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<v Speaker 1>they would haunt me. Man, it doesn't fops up in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. But I mean they from what and you

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<v Speaker 1>guys may know all being uh, you know, parents, and

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<v Speaker 1>but friends of mine that have been asked if they

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<v Speaker 1>would donate their placena for such causes. It's like during

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<v Speaker 1>the chaos of you know, being pregnant stuff, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even think about it like this whoever so saying it

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<v Speaker 1>ended up in my eye. They prayed and didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I didn't cross their mind when my when

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<v Speaker 1>we were having kids. The first time we had a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking like like I got a friend Bruce,

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<v Speaker 1>who well, let me back up. When we were having

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<v Speaker 1>our first kid, I was gonna eat the placenta. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna um drink the milk, my wife's milk,

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<v Speaker 1>just to be part of the whole. I just was like,

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<v Speaker 1>how convenient. Why? Well, I don't know why. I just

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<v Speaker 1>had in my head that I's like I had read

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<v Speaker 1>that people can eat oh you know a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>because like you know, I've pushed the limits of what

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<v Speaker 1>a person can eat and the next frontier, right the

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<v Speaker 1>next threshold, they say you already eat folks. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>it just seemed like a good way to be, like

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<v Speaker 1>to be like if you're talking to some and oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you ever had the monkey? How about squirrel? Like you

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<v Speaker 1>ever had folks? I have we? I think we we

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<v Speaker 1>we sent from the second birth. We sent it off.

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<v Speaker 1>And they want to say they dried it or dehydrated

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<v Speaker 1>it and then turned it into capsules. Yeah, there's some

0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.040
<v Speaker 1>hood gibber that like some like pseudo science that you

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<v Speaker 1>like eat the placenta and it makes you like super healthy. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Well that was It's the same. So you have been.

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<v Speaker 1>You've cannibalized if eating the yea dehydrated meat, it's a muscle,

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<v Speaker 1>right or a thing a body part. You've eating human

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<v Speaker 1>body parts. That explains got one up on me. You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't end up so I think you turned down the

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<v Speaker 1>check out on the breast milk out. Now. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a friend Bruce who when he goes into the fridge,

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<v Speaker 1>like for you guys that haven't been through this yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a woman, um, we'll save up. A mother will

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<v Speaker 1>like she uses more milk than the kidneys can produce.

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<v Speaker 1>Same same with dairy cows, right, That's why I like

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<v Speaker 1>when a dairy cow not too quate, not to equate

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<v Speaker 1>the mother my children do dairy cow. But when a

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<v Speaker 1>dairy cow drops a calf, the cow can produce vastly

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<v Speaker 1>more milk than the caffeys. So what they do in

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<v Speaker 1>the big commercial milk facilities, they just take the calf

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<v Speaker 1>away and raise the calf on formula and then milk

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<v Speaker 1>the cow to death because it's producing within a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of cycles. You know, like I used town us, Like

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<v Speaker 1>a cow used to be good for like ten lactations.

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<v Speaker 1>Now with all the things they do a little trickery

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<v Speaker 1>they have, they can like get all the milk you're

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<v Speaker 1>ever going to get out of that thing in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of lactations. So they take the calf away, feed

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<v Speaker 1>it on formula, and then milk enough milk out of

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<v Speaker 1>that cow to feed the whole herd of calves. So

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<v Speaker 1>ladies will uh do the same, Yeah, Because like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go out, for instance, if you're gonna go out.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you have the kid, and then you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go out and drink a couple of glasses of wine.

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<v Speaker 1>And you don't want to go give the kid milk

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<v Speaker 1>that you're producing when you drank the wine. You'll just

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<v Speaker 1>pump a little bit ahead of time, put it in

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<v Speaker 1>the fridge in little bottles. We have a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>glasses of wine, come home, pump that milk, dump that

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<v Speaker 1>milk out, and give the kid the milk in the fridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you take Like with cattle, you can taste. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a milk cow grown up, and if it got

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<v Speaker 1>into different plants, you could you know if they were

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<v Speaker 1>like strong. Well, I don't know if I don't drink

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<v Speaker 1>enough of it, but yeah, like I know that if

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<v Speaker 1>a cow gets in the wild onion, you gotta like

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<v Speaker 1>fill the milk out. But I'm wondering with the with

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<v Speaker 1>the woman's like, could you taste the difference in the

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<v Speaker 1>wine milk? I didn't. I just use it for a

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<v Speaker 1>coffee creamer, But you did that, Bruce Ball. But go

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<v Speaker 1>in pour a cup of coffee, go over there and

0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.840
<v Speaker 1>just tip a little that milk in there and stir

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Any sugar sweet. Oh yeah, it tastes like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just dr condensed milk. Yeah, because I look at

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<v Speaker 1>it and be like, man, that's some high dollar ship

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<v Speaker 1>right there. I'm not just gonna dump it down the

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<v Speaker 1>drain and there ends up being a lot in the

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<v Speaker 1>freezer at times that's not Yeah, my wife had stacked

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff away. My wife came to understand hunting better,

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<v Speaker 1>uh by stacking up milk because she was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>get it, man, because she's like, you know, she always

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<v Speaker 1>I like to get all that meat, Like just fill

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<v Speaker 1>that freezer up with stacks and meat and then be

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<v Speaker 1>like now we're set right, And she's like and she

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<v Speaker 1>always ate it, but didn't think about it. And when

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<v Speaker 1>she started saving those little bags and milk, she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally get it now, man, I opened a freezer

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<v Speaker 1>door and you got all the My wife grew to

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<v Speaker 1>hate that pumping machine though she just would look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>You just get angry to a sole bizarre man. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's a real comfortable. No one looks forward

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<v Speaker 1>to pump. And then you're at work and you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go like, you know, you're sitting at your desk, that

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<v Speaker 1>thing pumping away on there and people like you a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's a big deal. It's big deal

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<v Speaker 1>for people. But uh, what happened to one time my

0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.399
<v Speaker 1>wife's friend had a health emergency and had to do

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of how to do some narcotics for a

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<v Speaker 1>health of her and then my wife was able to

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<v Speaker 1>dig into her stash of milk for that baby. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't matter. Yeah, mother to childhood can be

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<v Speaker 1>any but your question, I heard some research um her

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<v Speaker 1>radio program on They're talking about how kids grow up

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<v Speaker 1>with like basically different palets, you know, and how you

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<v Speaker 1>could be like or at a year old, yeah, be

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<v Speaker 1>used to like Indian food, right, because like Indians are

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<v Speaker 1>used to eating Indian food from whatever. And they were

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, like, yeah, the kids get a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of that you get their palette built up by

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<v Speaker 1>drinking breast milk because mom's eating everything she's always, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that goes in there. Yeah, if you have like

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<v Speaker 1>a super bland diet is just a bunch of process grains,

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<v Speaker 1>then uh yeah, so uh did we kind of wrap

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<v Speaker 1>up the whole thing with your eyes? So now you're

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<v Speaker 1>back in action. Yeah, feeling good? Spotts got Dirt got

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<v Speaker 1>one of his like, uh like just a good good

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot. And it wasn't like we're because oftentimes

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<v Speaker 1>camera guys do this give me looking way off yonder right,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to spot the far away mystery animals, and you

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<v Speaker 1>forget about that. There's all kinds of area right around you,

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<v Speaker 1>and a camera guy will turn around and see one

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<v Speaker 1>right close which happened, and you're like, oh, yeah, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't really count. Though, Dirt had a game a

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<v Speaker 1>spot where over there, and I'm like, third bullshit, So

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<v Speaker 1>I said, did you see it move? Yes? I started

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<v Speaker 1>getting interested because like when something like when someone like

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<v Speaker 1>sees like I think I see a deer and then

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<v Speaker 1>a while they're like, hasn't moved at all? No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still possible. But then I started getting more skeptical. They're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a rock colored rock or deer, but there's like, no,

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 1>it moved, and it took us a long time to confirm.

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<v Speaker 1>But you would game eyed a very difficult spot well too.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it was a critical timing, as I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>and this maybe just to boost my entry. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be a hero. It had been a slow couple

0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:31.320
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes of no no dear being spotted, and it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of reinvigorates. Let me say, if you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>spot where thirty minutes I was seeing a deer is

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. You're in a good spot. That's a

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 1>good problem. It was a good spot his spot. Yeah,

0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the spot on the mountain was good and dirt. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really, you said, all all other species um

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<v Speaker 1>confusion and lack of spody was forgiven. It was so

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<v Speaker 1>good that I forgave you all the times you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>spotted game or out of game that wasn't game, and

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I forgave you temporarily mixing up one animal from the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the rabbid man eating mink that we had, the

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<v Speaker 1>rabbi van eat mink that we later encountered, I was

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<v Speaker 1>quick to correct the bleeding rabbid man eating mink. The

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<v Speaker 1>local kept describing it as a marmot. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>hanging around my cabin eating salmon carcasses as a as

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<v Speaker 1>a marmot eating salmon carcasses. But turns out the fellas

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 1>we were talking to you last night that that yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been there for years. Okay, So all right. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get the mooch and co host and shoot

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<v Speaker 1>a little box with humongous guns. But but we'll touch

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<v Speaker 1>on the mink. So when we flay salmon, we'll use

0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the like we'll flay a salmon. And then we used

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<v Speaker 1>the trim uh for chum for halibit. Let you just

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<v Speaker 1>take like the bone, you know, the spine, use it

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>for chum for halibit, or take the head and use

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<v Speaker 1>it for shrimp bait whatever, so we don't immediately discard

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it like clean fish and set him out when there's

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>bears hanging around. We're pretty careful about it. We hang

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<v Speaker 1>the chum up. But there had you know whatever, just

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.639
<v Speaker 1>left the bait bucket, the chum bucket sitting out, and

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed to sell him a gnawing on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the bones, which is fine. And it turns out this

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:40.880
<v Speaker 1>little mink uh has been coming in there and it's

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<v Speaker 1>got at the up top of the base of its

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<v Speaker 1>tail has a very size bigger than a quarter. Yeah A,

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<v Speaker 1>I would go so far as to call a festering

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<v Speaker 1>wound festering wound. And this mink has absolutely no I

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 1>should say absolutely virtually no fear of humans. Yeah, foot

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 1>away to the point where it even gets like a

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<v Speaker 1>little kind of aggro on you, a little bit aggressive

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>on stand in its ground, Yeah, and curious about you,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly rabid. We were thinking something wrong with sure, and

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<v Speaker 1>I got to wear old. I think it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>even besides it's injury, it looks like ship. Usually when

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<v Speaker 1>you see minks, they have like they almost like flow

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<v Speaker 1>asleep the landscape. You know, there's a sleek like movement

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to him, and this soccer has more of like a

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<v Speaker 1>hobbling like he's got like a hitch in his giddy up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like an old like some imagine something really old lady

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>with a really old poodle. If you watch that poodle

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>walk around scruffy in southeast Alaska. So the mink I

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>got to wear. I started toying with the idea of

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 1>killing it with a rock, only cause I had in

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 1>my head that there's something wrong with it. It's sick

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's like suffering, and it's potentially like a hazard

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.680
<v Speaker 1>to be around when you're sleeping and things around with.

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, he just is weird. Yanni told me that

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>would be playing god. Then I said, you know what,

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna shoot it with a shotgun. Then I didn't

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 1>uh do that. He kind of vanished then I thought.

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Then me and Broder like, oh, he crawled off and died. Yeah.

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Then we get talking to some boys down the beach

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>and they're telling us that that meant it's just been

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>hanging around for years with a fastering wound on the

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 1>base of its tail. Yeah, they named it what was

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>his name, I can't remember. Faster And you said that

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 1>was a female mint because it was a lighter color. Yeah,

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 1>then we saw it fail safe. But like like when

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I used to trapped mink, a male mink, you know,

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>would be twice as worth, twice as much as a female,

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.440
<v Speaker 1>much longer than the female. So like a male mank

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 1>might be twenty four inches nose to base, the tail

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>mank could be you know, fourteen or whatever. Females, they're

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>they're generally lighter color. They generally seem to have like

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>they're they're like, I could be a mistake about this,

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>but I think I remember this that the tail the

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 1>body ratio was less tailed for body like than a male.

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Then we later saw a couple of males fighting. Yeah,

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>just big yeah, big, yeah, they have a crazy screen. Yeah,

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 1>that sound was I would have never thought that that

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.120
<v Speaker 1>was two minks you knew? Yeah, well, I've just seen

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 1>him and heard him before. And do you remember, do

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 1>you remember were you there at Doug Durn's out and uh,

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 1>there was a mink raid in a squirrel nest and

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I could hear him way up a tree and I

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>couldn't figure out what's going on. And I realized that

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>there's a mink up in a tree fighting with a

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>squirrel because he's trying to raid the squirrel nest to

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.679
<v Speaker 1>get the babies out, but the squirrel was fighting them,

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and that mankles up there doing that crazy fighting sound too.

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 1>My money would be on the mink their weasel family, right,

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you don't mess with them. Yeah, yeah, no

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>one wants the mess of the mink. Man. Um. So,

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>while you're here, diret Uh, what what was your impression

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>of Mooch and co host man man you found your calling? Yeah,

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll dream of the Mooch madness about seventeen for years

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to come. I mean that it was fun. Explain it well,

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>explain why you're having such a hard time with it,

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and then you got so good at that. The initial

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>hit just causes like I feel like the reaction is

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to set it like your fly fishing or you know,

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>real fishing, just the excitement and then you get limped

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>back up. As Steve says, yea, the just set it

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:00.080
<v Speaker 1>like you're doing what Yeah, just like to really, I

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>mean it's it's such an aggressive hit when you're you're

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 1>like slowly digging thirty ft. Yeah, let me let me

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 1>break it down from it. Just catch people up. So, um,

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you guys, button if I miss out any things that

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>you think are helpful to people to understand. So in

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the area of southeast Alaska where where we we have

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>a fish and check, Um, well, if you're going there

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>in the winter, there's not gonna be a lot of

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>co holes around. There's some resident kings that you might

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>catch there, but it won't be many co holes around.

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>The coals are coming in to the inner waters congregating

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>up and they're getting ready to go up rivers and

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>spawn and they start showing up. But you're like out

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>in the you know, you're out in the legit ocean. Um.

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 1>But it's fish that are preparing to do their spawn run.

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>And then I believe other co hoes are mixed in

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>that are not going to do a run that year.

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>But the big schools come in and in this area

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>they tend to congregate around rocky points, like big cliffy points.

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Either because I'm sure someone knows the answer to this,

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>either because they're pushing bait, they're pushing harring and schooling haring,

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>and it winds up being that they're schooling harring up

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>against the cliff walls or the herring like those places,

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>like the harringer in those points, and the coals just

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>come and find them there. I'm not sure which of

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>those is true. But when you pass over, so so

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>you're fishing were you can take a slingshot and hit

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the cliff with a rock. But it's deep too, right,

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>but it's still hundred two ft deep. Uh, And you'll

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>pass over with a fish finder. You don't need to

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>use a fish finder necessarily, but it's really helpful. You'll

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>pass over the fish find you'll find the big bait balls.

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>You'll either see big bait balls like just look like

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>giant wads of something and they're thick enough that they're dent.

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>So the sow inari show like red, red and yellow

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 1>balls of something not on you know, hovering in the

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>midwater column annual mark slashes like individual slashed fish, and

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the co host tend to eat. If you're in three

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>ft of water, they're up, they tend to be around.

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>So you've got three water column and you'll see forty

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>five ft down you'll see slashes or balls, big balls

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>of bait. And a big ball of bait on your

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 1>sounar might look like it starts at thirty ft down

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and extends down to seventy so like you know, sizeable chunks.

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 1>When you see that, you just say, like you'll shout

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>out a depth and then a mooch. And rig is

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like big long noodle rods nine ft nine and a

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>half ft rods with a level wine reel, and I

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>like to use a line counter, a real the line

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>counter on it. And you've got your main line running

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>out and you got like a little flash it looks

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like a crushed beer can, and then eighteen inches of

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>wine or whatever. Then you put a four ounce banana weight.

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Then you gotta you know, three ft of leader coming

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 1>off that and a little two hook harness rig that

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 1>you hook a piece of cut herring on. And when

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>you see that baitball, you just shout out. Everybody dropped

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>down on the forty ft and if all goals, Well,

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>that's what I said. That was cold. I really like

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>that part. It's like we're kind of, you know, motoring

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>around and you're eyeing the the stone are and then

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>when you say like fish at thirty, it was just

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>like a sweet game on It's fun. Yeah, and uh,

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>dirt would get a hit and you would just try

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>to bitch slap and like you said, I think what

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>it was that And then also like when you bitch

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>slap it like that, when you said it like that,

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you're also gonna let the slack out and they just well, no,

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>because there's two things you're doing. I was doing something,

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 1>you're limping you Here's that. This is the most common

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>problem I've found with people who come out and haven't

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>grown up or have it who aren't accustomed to saltwater

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>deep saltwater fishing, Yes significant is they and even jigging

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>deep water like jay halibut three of water. People have

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>a tendency to do a very like rambunctious hook set

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>without reeling. So they're doing a big hook set. So

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>imagine that you're imagine the hands of a clock and

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>the water is like the three and nine position. Okay,

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 1>so the you got a horizontal plane and your rod's

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>out horizontal above the horizontal plane of the water. Their

0:33:56.520 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>hooks at takes them all the way up to twelve

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>of a clock. Then for whatever reason, they lower the

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 1>rod very quickly back down to the horizontal plane, not

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>feeling anything. Yeah, and not really so they're like setting

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the hook. They're saying to the fish, got you the

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 1>un they're standing just kidding. Because they lower the rod

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>back down in on a nine ft rod, you're all

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden like providing the fish with tons of slack.

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>And we think about the mechanics of a hook, the

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:34.760
<v Speaker 1>hook this falls back out of its mouth. Yeah, people

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>just like yeah, limp nicking. It's it's just I don't

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 1>get it. But real, when you're setting reel, I once

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>after three I think three misses, then you got deadly

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>because you realize that you can't just go on gonna

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>lift the rod, tep it up the air and they're

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna drop it back down to the water and let

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you go. There's a reaction just because of that hit.

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:06.720
<v Speaker 1>But if you can keep your calm, just real bringing

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>it a nice How big were those I think too

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>though on that since we're talking about those hook set now,

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 1>because there is no virtually no slack if you're fishing

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>it right and when the fish takes it, if yeah,

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>if you over hooks that, you know, like with a

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 1>big giant motion, you could be pulling it right out

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>of his mouth or right through his mouth, literally ripping

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>off chunks of his pop. Yeah you know. Um, I've

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 1>been thinking a lot about that, and I wonder if

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it has something to do with like the amount of

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>slack that you're fishing with, because like fly fishing, right,

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you always like you rarely ever tight line while your

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.959
<v Speaker 1>fly fish, unless you're doing some sort of like check

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>nimping thing right roady where you'd have actually like, yeah,

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you have an actual feel to the to the fly.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Normally they're slacks, so when the fish takes it, you

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 1>have to make an exaggerated motion to take all that

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>slack out as fast as you can. But that's not

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>actually setting the hook. You're just removing the slack so

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 1>that then the rod can but barely bend and and

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:18.399
<v Speaker 1>reeling down on the fish. Yeah, because I think they're

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 1>eating that harring and turning with it. And if you

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 1>really you're gonna hook him. But if you come up

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and then drop your rod tip, nothing's going to happen.

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, a lot of times they're swimming, they're eating

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>it and swimming towards you at the same time. That's

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>what I was gonna say. He's coming up and grabbing it.

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 1>And I think that when people are like, well, I'm

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>getting it, it's like you don't get a hit. You

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>don't like coh doesn't come up and nibble on a hair.

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>They're swallowing it. He's taking it. He's not gonna I'm

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna He's not like being like a catfish who's just

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>down there like leisurely messing around with your bait to

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>see if it's something he wants to consume. That thing

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>is coming up and grabbing it. When you get like

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>a hit, what you think is a hit is the

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>fish taking it. But he's a lot of times rocketing up.

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Because sometimes you'll hook a cold you'll think he had

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.760
<v Speaker 1>a hit, and the next thing you know, some bitches

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>up in the air out of the water because he

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>comes up and hits it, comes up and jumps and

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you like feel like you had

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 1>a hit. But then there's a fish flying through the air. Yeah,

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 1>I hooked one that I hooked it on my side

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>of the boat and it ended up jumping behind us

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the in which case he's

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>he or she are is creating slack. That's why the

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 1>astute angler doesn't say, oh, I'm getting hit and sit there,

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't overdo it and do some massive, rambunctious

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 1>hooks at he feels the take and reels down the fish. No,

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 1>setting a hook like setting a hook is an end

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 1>result right, Setting a hook means you're punching that hook.

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>My understanding of it is the same way when you

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>got that hook in your hand right, it never set,

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 1>meaning it never got the barbon there. So if I had,

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>at that moment when you were tangled up in your

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>own hook on a fish in the net, had I

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 1>grabbed that line and did a hook set, right, you'd

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>still have that hook in your hand, or you'd be

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.320
<v Speaker 1>going to a place, a professional facility to get it removed.

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>So a hook set is an end is a is

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>a is a thing that happens from something you did.

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.919
<v Speaker 1>When when you reel down, I feel like you are

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>putting that hook home. Barbs keeping everything. You're not you're

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:44.240
<v Speaker 1>not setting it with the lifting, are setting the hook?

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>You're just not setting the hook by doing some crazy thing. Yeah,

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 1>you're reeling down on that fish. But I think nine

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>out of ten, just you know, average level fishermen or

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.879
<v Speaker 1>just people in America, if you said set the hook,

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 1>what does that mean or whatever, they would give you

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>some you know, exaggerated motion of lifting the rod tip.

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, that's what I want to see my

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 1>clients do. Like they need to look like the Statue

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>of Liberty. That's oh I don't need. It's a fly

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 1>reel like you could reel for ten minutes. Don't real

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 1>at all. It's all stripping, right because there's so it's

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>such a narrow arbor on that thing, like it takes

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 1>ten seconds to reel in five ft a line. Yeah,

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 1>so like limp dick. And when you're a guiding fisherman, well,

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to see him come up and then

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>back down again. You don't say no, because that's the

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>same thing you were talking about, Like it's up and

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>stay up, you know, keep it talk. Yeah. I was

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>always told to put the butt towards the fish fly

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>fishing once you got one on that makes sense? Is

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>that something that's a good I never heard it, but

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense. Yeah, just to keep keep from limp dicken.

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.439
<v Speaker 1>So you want him getting the hang of it. Oh man, dude,

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>it's so. It's the most thing on the planet. I

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>would rather, uh. Another way to catch silver's wait till

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>they go up in the river. I mean it's the

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>hunter ways to catch them. But a couple of ways

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 1>that we catch them. It's wait till they go up

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 1>in the river miles and then just huck spinners at

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 1>them or throw flies at them. Well, these were even

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:22.479
<v Speaker 1>like mooch is so much fun. And then a couple

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 1>of those times they would like I don't know if

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>they pop off the set the hooks or whatever, but

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>they'd be chasing the herring up to the boat as

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>he reeled up. I never expected to be visual like

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.879
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing those things next year. Nice bag of limit

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 1>to your lout six a day? How big? What would

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>you say the average size of those were. I mean,

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 1>there's like giants out there and all that, but what

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 1>we were trying, I would say, and we don't throw

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>every fish on and we don't throw a really main

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 1>fish on a scale at all, but just eyeball on

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>them and having weighed a lot of fish, we definitely

0:40:58.160 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we caught it twelve pounds still over

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and the nose in our area and our fish and

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:04.959
<v Speaker 1>like a twelve pounds silver be like a nice fish.

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 1>We got a lot of like six to ten pounds. Yeah, beautiful, strong,

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:17.359
<v Speaker 1>crazy and they go crazy. Yeah, antasca, we did uh

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:22.879
<v Speaker 1>raw eight one raw after freezing it get rid of parasites. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>that's we used to eat. Like when we used to

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 1>catch a king. We just eat the thing, not even

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>freezing it. But there is some and I think it

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>was like people being hysterical saying that it's a bad

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>idea to do it, but it's advised that you freeze

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:46.399
<v Speaker 1>it and then promp thaw it out and then cut

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>it for then cut it for saus I had always

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 1>heard do that with fresh water fish, but not that

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 1>you didn't need to free saltwater fish. Yeah, with salmon,

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like best it's best practices, and I

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>think it's it's it's my again understanding, someone writing and

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>contradict um best practices to take that salmon, and I

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 1>think that my understanding too. Is this what they do

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.800
<v Speaker 1>in sushi restaurants is they're freezing it and then serving.

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Would salmon be good as savich? I've had like stuff,

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.760
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, really good. Yeah, it's really good. Honest. Sushi

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>was good. Yeah, we did good job. Slice in it

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>just right. Yeah, but did have like texture like mushy? No, no,

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the opposite. Instead of being that like creaminess that you

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.479
<v Speaker 1>expect from a good fish. It had almost a little

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 1>bit more audente than I was expecting. I wonder if

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that co ho is not the most popular, like the

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:53.800
<v Speaker 1>most popular sushi grade salmon, maybe kings Oh really, and

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>now you can't catch him. I wonder if it was

0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 1>right now in this area like where the because it

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>wasn't ballet part of the flat near the tail like

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if it would have been yeah, off the shoulders. Well,

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I advised him against that record is saying why are

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>you doing the tail? Well, yeah, test run. It is

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 1>because of the test run. So now we know we're

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna go home and pick out the biggest, fattest, thickest

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 1>slab and try it again. Another kind of fisher we're

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 1>doing is we're doing deep water jigging and uh, dirt

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 1>pulled up a world record silver gray rockfish five ft.

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Well that country, he said, is off, but probably three

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>feet right, yeah, over three big silver gray those so

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>coals are allowed six a day, you're allowed, uh, rockfish

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a day as a nonresident, right? Is that the same

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 1>for residents, same for residents. So when we bought our

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>place many many years ago, you were allowed. I think

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:58.399
<v Speaker 1>at that time I could be wrong, but I think

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 1>at that time you were allowed. A non resident was

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>laud one or two yellow eyes a day. Then it

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 1>went into an annual limit. Last year you were allowed

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:14.399
<v Speaker 1>to yellow eyes a day, two yellow eyes per year.

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 1>This year one yellow eye per year. And on the

0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 1>west side of the island, no yellow eye retention this

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 1>year for non residence or anyone. And they closed the

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>winter King salmon and winter king got down shut down,

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:34.560
<v Speaker 1>but they closed the winter King salmon. Not to do

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>with fish up here, but they're because they're having such

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>poor returns and some rivers south of here and you

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>can't and like counts are so down in some of

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:46.799
<v Speaker 1>the rivers south of here more in the like we're

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:52.800
<v Speaker 1>in southeast Alaska, but like northwest Yeah, uh, some of

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the returns are so low that they didn't emergency shut

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.080
<v Speaker 1>down of kings here and hopes that there's like and

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 1>hopes that that some of those fish are up here.

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Did they shut anything down around you in Seattle at all?

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know, because I don't know as

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 1>far as like wild kings. I don't know what's going

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>on down there right now. I'm just surprised like non

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>commercial sport fishing would have an impact on something like that.

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 1>One could argue that it doesn't. Yeah, I mean I

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 1>could see like you know, guided services or commercial Yeah,

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that that that'll get closed too. But they you know

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.800
<v Speaker 1>what a couple of weeks ago, well a few I

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 1>guess a month or so ago, Now there was a king,

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a commercial king's season going on out here. So you

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 1>got a commercial kings season going on. And then literally

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>like it's you know, I mean, there's so many like

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:52.320
<v Speaker 1>there's so many conflicting interests and in the way like

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:57.479
<v Speaker 1>in Alaska they tear out importance level of fisheries, okay,

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 1>and and and it's all very reasonable, but importance level

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 1>be like subsistence fisheries get are like top tier importance okay,

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 1>So people that rely on the fishery for like their

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 1>own consumptive use. So that's like a primary food primary

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:23.840
<v Speaker 1>food source, and there's like cultural heritage there. Okay, like

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that user group is going to get top preference and

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:35.359
<v Speaker 1>commercial interests are going to get preference over recreational because

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 1>of the livelihood. Yeah, and it's and it's like and

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 1>then you get into this numbers game of what's more

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 1>valuable to the state. What's more valuable to the state

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 1>would be like what is the commercial harvest and the

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:50.360
<v Speaker 1>jobs generated from fish processing and and all the economic

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 1>activity that goes along with commercial fishery. Is that more

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 1>important or a more vital revenue stream for the state

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:04.680
<v Speaker 1>than old economic activity generated around recreational fishing. But it's

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of funny. It's like from the from the perspective

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of a personal use fisherman, it's really fun to be

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 1>out Like we'll be out fishing and you're under a

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 1>bag limit, like let's say you're a loud like like whatever,

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 1>like six silver's a day or a king a day

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>in a slot limit and you're fishing within stones throw

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 1>of a person er. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like it

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 1>winds up feeling kind of like like off kilter. But

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 1>those guys have a quota that they're under. There's that.

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Or it would be that you're out fishing halibut rod

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:48.359
<v Speaker 1>and reel and you're allowed to halibate okay, a day.

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a very generous bag. That's a lot of halibut, right,

0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, to halib it a day. But next to

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you is a hellibot longliner who's running miles of hooks.

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:00.719
<v Speaker 1>It just winds up, you know, me, It's like there's

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 1>like a and it all makes sense, but it's like

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like out in the salt water when you're fishing

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:09.480
<v Speaker 1>amid commercial extraction. It does wind up seeing like like

0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:12.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of art drop in the bucket. It seems like

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of arbitrary. This this this may be a reach.

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 1>You guys may give me help for this, but probably

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna because like a lot of things you say,

0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't even know. Right, the fact that you're anticipating

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>blowback makes me nervous because this could be good as

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 1>a you know, living in Montana fishing fishing up here

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 1>on the Pacific and it's like this massive body of

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>water and it's like when when the when we're mooching

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's going off. It feels like there's like a

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:50.759
<v Speaker 1>limitless supply of these fish, and it kind of I

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>was just like thinking it could equate to what the

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:59.240
<v Speaker 1>early settlers thought of as the buffalo being a vast

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>A good point. Yes, So that's how it kind of

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>works in an inability two comprehend the finiteness of a

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 1>resource just because you're so overwhelmed with how much there

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>is in your little world. So my body, speaking of

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the yellow eye thing, the yellow eye restrictions my body,

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 1>who is a biologist, uh was saying to me the

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>other day. And this is like a good dude, very

0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 1>concerned about resources, practices a lot of personal restraint, cares deeply,

0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the kind of guy that if to save if someone

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 1>said to him, if someone said to him, we can

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.799
<v Speaker 1>save the fishery, but that would mean you can never

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:53.000
<v Speaker 1>fish again the rest of your life, he would be like, Okay,

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>if that's the way it has to be, fine. It

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>means that much to me to have it out there,

0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:01.040
<v Speaker 1>knowing it's there, means more to me than contributing to

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:05.279
<v Speaker 1>his demise. Yeah, okay, So that kind of fell. He

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>was saying to me. He's like, I just don't buy it.

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't buy the yellow I thing because when I

0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:14.359
<v Speaker 1>dropped down and I catch one, Yeah, but like yeah,

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 1>but that's like so anecdotal, dude, you might be you know,

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.879
<v Speaker 1>how do you It's like he also said they don't

0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 1>really know a lot about them, like as far as

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the numbers and stuff, but they know those sons of

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:26.360
<v Speaker 1>bitches when you catch a big one, those sons of

0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:30.400
<v Speaker 1>bitches are eighty ninety years old. Yeah. The guy at

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 1>the lodge caught a thirty pounder that they aged at

0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I forgetting how it was around a hundred years old

0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and they did a test on its earbone. Dude, any

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>any yellow ey you catch is old enough to vote right,

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:48.800
<v Speaker 1>and most of them are gonna be old enough to

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>get draw Social Security. Is there much of a commercial

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:56.759
<v Speaker 1>fishery for those? But then't even as limited? So like

0:50:56.920 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I've got friends that used to do commercial that commercial

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:04.800
<v Speaker 1>longline for Haliban. And you're trying to get out and

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 1>set up on big flat areas, okay, but now and

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>then you screw up and you set you close to

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:17.719
<v Speaker 1>a rock bluff for cliff face and just be like

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 1>bunch of yellow eyes come up and you just gotta

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:24.239
<v Speaker 1>float all those fish come the commercial guys because you're

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 1>limited to your percentage of like your bycatch. Like for instance,

0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 1>when when when you used to be able to, like

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:32.839
<v Speaker 1>in US waters, you used to be able to fin

0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 1>for sharks. Okay, so you could be a swordfish longliner

0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 1>and be running big plagic longlines and catch sharks and

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 1>then just take the thing of instead of like filling

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>your hold up with shark flesh, it isn't valuable. You

0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.320
<v Speaker 1>could just fin the sharks and keep the fins for

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the market. The Asian markets just keep fins and be like,

0:51:56.960 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna like use valuable holds base and valuable

0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 1>ice to chill shark meat that isn't worth as much

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 1>as swordfish meat. So what they could do is just

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 1>cut fins. Would be like legally just taking a backstrap

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 1>off of a deer. Yeah, like I only got I

0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:16.440
<v Speaker 1>got a little small freezer and it's gonna fill a backstrap,

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>So I go shoot twenty deer and have just backstrapping there.

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:23.880
<v Speaker 1>But then what they want up doing in the US waters,

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:30.400
<v Speaker 1>they came in and said, like of your hall of sharks,

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:33.320
<v Speaker 1>fins can only be a certain percentage of your total

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 1>hall of shark that you're bringing in and they've made

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 1>it that you basically can't I can't mamber what it was.

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:40.840
<v Speaker 1>It's some number like it wasn't like let's say it was.

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:45.400
<v Speaker 1>They made it not uncost effective to do that in

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 1>order to try to slow down the harvest on sharks.

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:53.440
<v Speaker 1>So with the bycatch thing, with all commercial fishing, it's

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like they will be not all you can never say,

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:58.520
<v Speaker 1>oh like, it's so like the regulatory structures are just

0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:04.279
<v Speaker 1>like my mind bogglingly complex and there's no generalizations, but

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 1>it will be percentages of take or whatever allowed and

0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>bycatch if you screw up or just whatever, Like my

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>nature conspires against you and you pull up your thing

0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:20.879
<v Speaker 1>and you got like no halibit, but shiploads yellow eyes.

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't just be like sweet. But you'll still walk

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 1>into like Anthony's, which is a popular seafood chain in

0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:31.839
<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Northwest. You'll still walk into Anthony's and see

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:35.799
<v Speaker 1>rock fish on the menu. It's like you're looking at

0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at you know, bycatch fishery. At least some

0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 1>of us getting used. Yeah, but the minute, but it's

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>so here's why. So people like that's ridiculous, it shouldn't

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:53.280
<v Speaker 1>be that way. What's the what's the alternative? Okay? All bycatches, Okay,

0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.120
<v Speaker 1>because some dudy's like, oh you mean yellow eyes bringing

0:53:57.280 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 1>whatever a pound, I'm gonna accidentally set up against this

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.120
<v Speaker 1>cliff and make a bunch of money. Well, the same

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:07.399
<v Speaker 1>argument is made against keeping road kill. I mean I've

0:54:07.400 --> 0:54:09.359
<v Speaker 1>heard people make that same argument. I think that's still

0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the argument. But go ahead and explain it. Yeah, where

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, now it's legal as of a couple

0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 1>of years. You smoke a deer on accident, you can

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, call it in in your state. Is now legal.

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:25.360
<v Speaker 1>And for a while it wasn't legal because people worried

0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.160
<v Speaker 1>that you know, guys would get big cow push your

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 1>bumpers and just go out and target road which seems

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a kind of like oh no, yeah, but it's like

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:38.959
<v Speaker 1>killing yourself. Yeah. But even then, so in that state

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you got, like when I was growing up with road kill,

0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:46.040
<v Speaker 1>like in Michigan, you could retain road kill, but you

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:48.239
<v Speaker 1>had to secure permit, and they were very liberal with

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 1>the permits. I remember picking up deer with my dad

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:52.960
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, and my dad would call

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:56.240
<v Speaker 1>he just dialed nine on one or call the sheriff's

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:58.759
<v Speaker 1>office whatever, and they would even be like, I'll bring

0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:02.759
<v Speaker 1>you out a permit tomorrow or got it, We got

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 1>your information, don't sweat it. Take the deer. But thinking

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.480
<v Speaker 1>in like a state, like in some of the western

0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 1>states where you have seven eight nine species of big game,

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:18.080
<v Speaker 1>some of them being very valuable, right, like a looser, Yeah,

0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:21.279
<v Speaker 1>like big horn, like a big horn ram If you

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:25.240
<v Speaker 1>have a big horn ram head, you know it's worth

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:29.719
<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars. So even with the road kill thing,

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the rocal thing only applies to certain creatures, so so

0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:35.759
<v Speaker 1>that people won't target. Yeah, Like you still can't pick

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 1>up a road kill big horn. And I think in

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:40.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of states, even with a white tailor or

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 1>a mule deer buck, you can't retain the horns if

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 1>you're taking I think that it's that way in Colorado.

0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 1>You can take a road kill buck, but you can't

0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:53.160
<v Speaker 1>take the antlers. Can't retain the ant And I've tried twice.

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I think why there's a hole in the in that

0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:58.200
<v Speaker 1>theory that people a just gonna walk around, you know,

0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:02.640
<v Speaker 1>smoking running over deer. Is that twice? With my buddy

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Jim Miller, he got to I think one was a cow.

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.439
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what the other one was, but rolled

0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:12.399
<v Speaker 1>in there. I think even like d O Tea maybe

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 1>showed up with like like a tractor or something to

0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:18.320
<v Speaker 1>help load it into the back of his car. Like

0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I met him after work and we started skinning that thing.

0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:22.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, he'd been gutted and had been hanging and

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.759
<v Speaker 1>we started skinning it, and like we ended up there

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 1>was no meat. It was good for human consumption. It

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 1>was all just purple and beat up bruise and it

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:35.520
<v Speaker 1>we turned it all into dog food. It was not

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.800
<v Speaker 1>an efficient way to get meat. When you figure auto

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.760
<v Speaker 1>damage now, I one time killed one with the side

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:46.319
<v Speaker 1>view mirror. Oh nice clean head shot. Headshot the side

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:48.759
<v Speaker 1>of view mirror. It was one of those side of

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:51.320
<v Speaker 1>view mirrors out of truck that folds in anyway, the

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:54.240
<v Speaker 1>old metal ones that had like the tubes tube structure

0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:56.880
<v Speaker 1>leading on to it. That thing coming and hit the

0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:58.960
<v Speaker 1>window so hard, scared the ship out of me. But yeah,

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:02.360
<v Speaker 1>just like done. Yeah, you know, no meat damage. So

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you were saying with the back to the fisheries stuff,

0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 1>if you if it was a bycatch, you would try

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to get it. There was some way that you can

0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:14.959
<v Speaker 1>try to get back down to the depth because they'll

0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:19.120
<v Speaker 1>die yellow Yeah, back to yellow eyes. And this is like,

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of interesting to tell you, like the

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 1>intricacies of of fisheries management stuff. So like take the

0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 1>case of the yellow eye. Now, rock fish a lot

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 1>of your and I don't know about more plagic life

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:37.280
<v Speaker 1>non plagic rockfish. So rock fisherl just like live in

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 1>a little spot down on the bottom of the ocean,

0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>and the rocks are in the kelp and they don't

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 1>drift around and move around. I don't want to explain

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:47.440
<v Speaker 1>plagic versus non plagic is a word for like open

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 1>ocean and they move a lot. Yeah, So you have

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>like you have a reef for instance, with sharks, you

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 1>got reef sharks that are residents around. Then you got

0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 1>like a shark like a mako, which is regarded as

0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:02.160
<v Speaker 1>a polagic shark, so he drifts around on the open seas,

0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 1>up in the water column, not affiliated with the bottom

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of the ocean, like, not like a benthic shark who

0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:11.160
<v Speaker 1>lays down on the bottom. He just out cruised around.

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Other polagic fish should be you're tunas, like yeah, bill fish, tunas,

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 1>plagic fish cruise around on the open ocean um. So

0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 1>there are some species of rock fish to regard it

0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 1>as plagic rock fish, so they're not. They don't have

0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of fidelity to their little home spot

0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:35.440
<v Speaker 1>on the bottom of the ocean. Yellow eyes are nonplagic.

0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Just like he's got like a spot where he's got,

0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Like Jenny doesn't move far, has like a place where

0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 1>he lives down the bottom of the ocean. He doesn't

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:45.880
<v Speaker 1>move around in the water column a lot. And for whoever,

0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess lack of adaptation wherever, Like he doesn't have

0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the ability to adjust his swim bladder quickly to account

0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 1>for lateral movements in the water or column or no,

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:04.280
<v Speaker 1>like an account for like a horizontal movement in the

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:07.600
<v Speaker 1>water column. Pressure changes the same way that humans can't,

0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:10.080
<v Speaker 1>the same way that humans suck at it, Like he

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:15.280
<v Speaker 1>came down feet down and then do a rapid ascent

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:19.120
<v Speaker 1>to the surface and make the necessary press the necessary

0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>adjustments in the pressure. Yeah, I read somewhere when we

0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:24.200
<v Speaker 1>were getting ready or I don't know, maybe, oh it

0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:28.120
<v Speaker 1>isn't that article It was in like an Anchorage newspaper

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and talking about this whole yellow eye rock fitch management

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:37.680
<v Speaker 1>thing and the guy uh equated it to um. Basically,

0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.400
<v Speaker 1>you combing up in the in the water column, you

0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:46.280
<v Speaker 1>would basically vomit your lungs. It's nice, yeah, very nice, Uh,

0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:49.920
<v Speaker 1>but a hell of it can't c Yeah you crank, see,

0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 1>but halib it move around all the time. They're up there.

0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, people don't think about it, but how but like, yeah,

0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:57.960
<v Speaker 1>they're down, but they're up to caught a hell. We

0:59:58.080 --> 0:59:59.640
<v Speaker 1>caught a hell, but it had a diving duck in

0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:04.960
<v Speaker 1>its Yeah, so they move around and you know, come

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<v Speaker 1>up and go down there they convent right. But when

1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you crank a yellow eye and many other species, well

1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:12.600
<v Speaker 1>we're just talking about yellow eyes here. When you crank

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<v Speaker 1>a yellow why up from three of water four ft

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<v Speaker 1>of water, the gases in his blood and the gases

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<v Speaker 1>and his body expand rapidly. So when you pull him up,

1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:26.200
<v Speaker 1>his stomach, his swim bladder, which is the thing they

1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:30.320
<v Speaker 1>used for buoyancy, his swim bladder, the gases there expand,

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<v Speaker 1>and his swim bladder will have expanded so much that

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<v Speaker 1>shoves his stomach out of his mouth. So what you're

1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:41.600
<v Speaker 1>looking at when he comes up is you're not looking

1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:44.400
<v Speaker 1>at his swim body. You're looking at his stomach. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like a hot dog sticking out, and his

1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:49.800
<v Speaker 1>eyes are and the gases behind his eyes, so his

1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:53.000
<v Speaker 1>eyes are bugged out. And when you're fighting a yellow eye,

1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>he's fighting, fighting, fighting, But then you get him a

1:00:57.040 --> 1:00:58.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred feet off the bottom of your eyes, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>fighting anymore. And when they come up, they just float

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't need to gaff them. And you gaff

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<v Speaker 1>them because they're very heavily armed, and you can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get bad infections from all the fins and spikes on

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<v Speaker 1>him and stuff. But you don't need a gaff from

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<v Speaker 1>to get in the boat. In fact, one time my

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<v Speaker 1>brother was jigging and someone had on a fish in

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<v Speaker 1>deep water and the fish came off halfway up. They

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<v Speaker 1>lose the fish, so like, oh, you know, fish got off,

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<v Speaker 1>come unbuttoned, and a while later he realizes upcoms up

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<v Speaker 1>floats the yellow eye. Yeah, I just kept it got off,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was too late and it floated to the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you by catch that what guys used, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me explain. Let me let me because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a lot of steps to this a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that people used to do is take a needle, and

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<v Speaker 1>you could take a needle and vent the swim bladder,

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<v Speaker 1>and people used to use that as a way to

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<v Speaker 1>release rock fishes. You'd vent the swim bladder and turn

1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the fish loose. But because it's there's confusion because the

1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:13.000
<v Speaker 1>stomach is sticking out of his mouth, people were puncturing

1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the fish's stomachs thinking they were venting the swim bladder.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think that's almost like like virtually guaranteed

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<v Speaker 1>death to the fish. Then someone comes up with the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a deep water release mechanism, which imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>you take a imagine to take a lead headed jig.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just say just for to visualize this, you take

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<v Speaker 1>a lead headed jig, file away or pinch off the barb,

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<v Speaker 1>and tie a line to the bend in the hook. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so tie a line, tie your line mid gate, right

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<v Speaker 1>in the bend of the hook, and you just pricked

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<v Speaker 1>the hook into the fish's mouth. And you gotta let

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<v Speaker 1>a jig tied to your rod, but instead of tying

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<v Speaker 1>it to the eye of the jig, you're tying to

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<v Speaker 1>the bend a hook. Prick the fish in his mouth

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<v Speaker 1>and drop the jig in the water and let that

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<v Speaker 1>lead headed jig carry that fish all the way. Soon

1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:11.360
<v Speaker 1>as you catch, send it right back down on a

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<v Speaker 1>quick release mechanism. Let that leadheaded jig carry all the

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<v Speaker 1>way down to the bottom of the ocean and then

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<v Speaker 1>jerk the rod, do a dirt myth hooks at pull

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<v Speaker 1>the hook back out of the fish. That is like

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<v Speaker 1>a nineties percent recovery rate. That's crazy. And how do

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<v Speaker 1>they even know because it's like once they're down there,

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<v Speaker 1>they put a marker on, put a put a transmitter

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and see if he keeps moving around so

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<v Speaker 1>he'll readjust to that pressure and send him back down

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<v Speaker 1>the same way when a diver has the bends, they

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<v Speaker 1>put him in a compression just but visually looking at

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<v Speaker 1>like a yellow while you pull up. It's like hard

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<v Speaker 1>di visuals heart. Yeah, he'd go back to his little home.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where it gets interesting with with like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>like drawing up fishing regulations. So you got this thing

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<v Speaker 1>where you have like high mortality of a fish and

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<v Speaker 1>catch release isn't really an option. And that's where you

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<v Speaker 1>getting the honor system. Because when you're fit, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally fishing rockfish. You are not allowed to size grade

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<v Speaker 1>your rock fish. If you're intentionally fishing rock fish and

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking you're gonna catch a fifteen pound yellow eye

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<v Speaker 1>and you drop that jig down and pull up a

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<v Speaker 1>nine inch quillback rock fish, you've hit your daily bang

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<v Speaker 1>a limit and you have to stop fishing rock fish.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot be like ship, It's not not what I

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<v Speaker 1>was after. It's like that fish goes in your box

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<v Speaker 1>and you're done intentionally fishing rockfish. So it makes you

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<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to catch a yellow eye, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>you fish way deep where you know there's noe risk

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<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna have some little dank or quill latch

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<v Speaker 1>onto your jig, and then you're shut down because you're

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<v Speaker 1>only allowed one rock fish a day. So then people

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<v Speaker 1>are like, well, who would know, because like if you

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<v Speaker 1>go catch, like if you're out fishing and you're intentionally

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<v Speaker 1>catch yellow eye and you throw them in your boat,

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<v Speaker 1>and then later you're doing whatever fish and halibit perfect

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<v Speaker 1>legally targeting halibit and you pull up a yellow eye, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>then you need to send them back down on a

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<v Speaker 1>deep release mechanism when they have them like charter vessels

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<v Speaker 1>have to have a deep release mechanism. They haven't made

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<v Speaker 1>it yet that recreational anglers need to have a deep

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<v Speaker 1>release mechanism on board. It's probably coming, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>make one from scratch and seconds. All the time we've

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<v Speaker 1>spent out there, that we rarely would have needed one,

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<v Speaker 1>because it seems like once we limit, man, we just

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<v Speaker 1>get off that kind of fishing and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do something else. It can't happen. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you catch. I've seen a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>rocks caught, but I never would go out and like

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<v Speaker 1>jig rocks and then go set up for halibit. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>to go out and set up for halibit, and then

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<v Speaker 1>if we catch the limited halbit or it's not happening

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<v Speaker 1>or you get blown off the water, then be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>before we go in, let's go jig up a quill back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool. You got those very ages, jig up silver

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<v Speaker 1>gray or whatever you know, and catch them on the

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<v Speaker 1>way in. But yeah, I'm pretty careful to not be

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation from out there having to like trying

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<v Speaker 1>to like resuscitate and release. But your fisheries bilogist buddy

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<v Speaker 1>Dan thinks that the one to day thing is over

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<v Speaker 1>the top, too restrictive. Yeah that's what he well, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks that because he's like that just seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be in his mind. Thousands a lot of yellow eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just depends. It depends on the day because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we didn't Some days you go and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just game on. Yeah, we couldn't find them during Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you go look for you can't find it. But we

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find any fish that day. It was the solar eclipse.

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<v Speaker 1>Super tied. I got that big quill back, silver quel back,

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<v Speaker 1>the clips yea, cool backs are abundant. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all did. We all got let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>a bund them. But they're not hurting like yellow eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason yellow eyes are hurting is there's such like

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<v Speaker 1>they're so old and loaf of coundity. Yeah, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're so like it's such a slow metabolism fish.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't bleed them when you cut their gills. Their

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<v Speaker 1>heart isn't pounding enough to push their own damn blood out.

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<v Speaker 1>You cut the yellow eyes gills and nothing comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of that thing. Just chilling. Yeah, but you do want

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<v Speaker 1>to bleed salmon. Yes, commercial guys bleed them. We were

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding them. Yeah. And when you don't bled them, you

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<v Speaker 1>can you can tell when you go to flame all

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<v Speaker 1>that blood stacked up in the tail. Yeah, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>I like to bleed them. And you think ripping their

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<v Speaker 1>gills is plenty. You don't need to like cut the

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<v Speaker 1>throat there. Yeah, I mean I think it's just tearing

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<v Speaker 1>to gill. Is tearing to gil. But it's like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't put my thumbin air and ripped. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>brasive I cut him. Yeah, but there's like a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of fish that there's a handful of fish. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's like generally accepted it's a good idea to bleed him,

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<v Speaker 1>And there's something that just I don't think it's really necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>I like I never grew up, like we don't bleed walwyes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like the white flesh fish. It doesn't seem like you

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<v Speaker 1>needed h yeah, part of the thinking and bleed him.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's like I don't know, maybe like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it just maybe a lot of it's nonsensical.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like practices that you've developed that aren't like

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<v Speaker 1>based on fact but like, you know, I never like

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<v Speaker 1>bleed yellow perch, but I don't clean yellow perch and

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<v Speaker 1>realize that the flesh is real bloody. Right. What were

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<v Speaker 1>you guys talking about electrocuting fresh catching? E K G Man? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes what what do you laugh about the dirt

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<v Speaker 1>thinks it's electrocuting. Yeah, I don't know that. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually think that it's electrocuting him, But he heard E

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<v Speaker 1>K G. Main And now that it's coming back around,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, so you guys were talking about I think

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<v Speaker 1>I know what's tripping dirt up. First. What's tripping dirt up?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this? So he can explain the knie. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever witnessed it? I haven't, but I've looked at it,

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<v Speaker 1>look at a couple of you know, online blogs and

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<v Speaker 1>processed photos as we like to calm, but series of

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<v Speaker 1>photos that show how it's done. But for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they they still do bled the fish when

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<v Speaker 1>I've witnessed it by people who are believers, they bled

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<v Speaker 1>the fish before or after as soon as they catch it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then then UK electric cut the tail. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they cut it all the way, but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it. It's connected by a flap of skin. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know really what that would Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>gives you something to hold on to create an insertion point,

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<v Speaker 1>like why not just cut it off? It gives you

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<v Speaker 1>a handle. It gives you a handle. But then they

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<v Speaker 1>basically take a stiff wire that you could look like

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<v Speaker 1>stainless safety wire. Yeah, but it's it's stiff like it's

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<v Speaker 1>got some backbone too, because you're basically gonna ram it

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<v Speaker 1>and run it up the fish's spinal column. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>single strand wire? Like single strand? Like for instance, I

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<v Speaker 1>could picture on a salmon you could eat, you would

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<v Speaker 1>e k G man with a coat hangar, right coat hanger,

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<v Speaker 1>straighten out coat hanger. That's a that's it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a good diameter for salmon. But I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>the e k G may salmon. I saw them like

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<v Speaker 1>Helen showing her boyfriend. We're e k G man. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you can use that as a verb.

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<v Speaker 1>They were e k G man. Uh black sea bass.

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<v Speaker 1>I think fluke, which is a flat fish. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>because basically the lailoff, so now you're like looking up

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<v Speaker 1>through the fish, you know, like from his tail up

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<v Speaker 1>through towards his head, and so that cut now gives

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<v Speaker 1>you a portal into his spine. You just run that

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<v Speaker 1>wire up his spine all the way to its brain,

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<v Speaker 1>basically through the spinal cord. Dude, it destroys that fish.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks like they're getting electrocute. They just melt. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>rigor you like throw a fish in like this is

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<v Speaker 1>my my, my, my saltwater. When my saltwater mentors Ryan Layton,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you had a sam you caught a salmon,

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<v Speaker 1>gutted it, gilded right, and then put him on ice.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd curl and rigged rigger. He was like, don't take

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<v Speaker 1>that fish and flatten that thing back out because you're

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<v Speaker 1>tearing myself. Wait until it relaxes. Then, laid fish don't

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<v Speaker 1>like when it curls up and rigger, don't go and

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<v Speaker 1>bend it back because you're just ripping up the muscle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's still a lot to be learned in general about meatcare.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why when Ryan Layton goes to the goes the

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<v Speaker 1>Pike's Place market and see them throwing fish around, it

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<v Speaker 1>just makes them uncomfortable. Yeah, He's like, that's the what

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<v Speaker 1>not good handle it just feels like it's like, why

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<v Speaker 1>would you like do that to the fishes, mishandling and

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<v Speaker 1>firing it around, catching it. There's an entertain that factor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but he just thinks it's like abusive of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the abusive of the fish, disrespectful to the fish. So

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<v Speaker 1>now I think I think we talked with the support.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell it again. I was in South America

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<v Speaker 1>with on a river with amor Indians and they caught

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<v Speaker 1>a turtle, big turtle they're not supposed to mess with.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh was this Bolivia or Guyana years ago? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the first trip and they e k G made that

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<v Speaker 1>turtle with It wasn't willow, but imagine the willow switch

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<v Speaker 1>debarked and sharpened and the e k G made the

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<v Speaker 1>turtle rapp his backbone and doing it was amazing because

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<v Speaker 1>we when we would catch turtles like a snapper, we

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<v Speaker 1>would chop its head and then you have to hang

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<v Speaker 1>it up for a few hours before you could clean it.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it still be? It just suck its arms in

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<v Speaker 1>and if you pull the arm out and pull it back,

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<v Speaker 1>you could get like cut and scratch from a dead turtles. Turtle,

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<v Speaker 1>But they e k G made that turtle, and that

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<v Speaker 1>turtle was ready to eat no rigor. The reason you're

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<v Speaker 1>tripping it up with electrocution is they get a similar

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<v Speaker 1>effect in livestock slaughter facilities by using electricity. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever gone into watching slaughter cattle and the slaughter facility,

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<v Speaker 1>they hit it with a captive bolt gun or hit

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<v Speaker 1>it with the twenties mag right, kill it. It drops

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<v Speaker 1>to the floor. They put a chain on its rear angle,

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<v Speaker 1>jack it up into the air, cut its juggler, and

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<v Speaker 1>then zapp with electricity and effect. Once you useapp with electricity,

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<v Speaker 1>it's safe to handle. It isn't kick in, it's carcass,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't twitching, and it's just that carcass just melts. And

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<v Speaker 1>then everybody can come in and like piranhas with knives

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<v Speaker 1>and dissemble that thing in the next three or four minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for a segway, Steve, You got a

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<v Speaker 1>good one, I think, so hit me. People may start

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<v Speaker 1>e k G MN deer by trying to shoot him

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<v Speaker 1>right up the spine from the backside, speaking of which,

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<v Speaker 1>oh you want me to? So I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get to this. I'm gonna yeah, that's biggest segment. I

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<v Speaker 1>like that they're not gonna start doing that. But we

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<v Speaker 1>did talk to you guy recently who who go who

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<v Speaker 1>who goes for a similar e k G may effect

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<v Speaker 1>by hitting his animals at the base of the skull. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like that at all, But I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>head shoot. I've we've all made our we've all made

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<v Speaker 1>our point about not like a head shoot or the

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<v Speaker 1>problems the negatives out, the cons outweighing the pros on

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<v Speaker 1>head shoot. But the other day Yanni is talking to

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<v Speaker 1>We're going up we have some Me and Remy Warren,

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<v Speaker 1>who's one of my hunting heroes. We drew fog Nack

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<v Speaker 1>Island Elk Heggs, and we're going up Uh to hunt

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<v Speaker 1>a fog knack for Roosevelt elk and Um. We got

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about rifles, caliber selection, and Remy had said

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<v Speaker 1>something like being incredulous of the thirty oh six for

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<v Speaker 1>a fog knack Elk because these these bulls are for there,

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<v Speaker 1>huge funds, like a moose almost big freaking bulls pound bulls.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, oh man, the three wind meg is

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<v Speaker 1>the way to go minimum. I wouldn't take no thirty

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<v Speaker 1>ot six for this that's too slow and Remy, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you were here, but I'm just I think

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<v Speaker 1>I got it right right. Yeah, and Yanni was pulling

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<v Speaker 1>enough gun. Yeah, and Yanni was pointing out. But the

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<v Speaker 1>only is what explained you're thinking on this? Well, again,

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on you know what grain bullet weight and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how many grains of powder you have behind

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<v Speaker 1>that bullet. But uh, for this example, you can basically

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<v Speaker 1>have the exact not basically you would have the you

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<v Speaker 1>could have the exact same bullet. Let's just say like

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<v Speaker 1>you're throwing a hundred sixty five, all of those can

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<v Speaker 1>be shot out of both thirty six three wind mag

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred short mag Uh you know any of the

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<v Speaker 1>other three hundred, three hundred weather be This is Yanni

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<v Speaker 1>Van's walls. This is like Yannie the gun writers. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you let's just say it was the one sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five because that's what you're shooting out of your three

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<v Speaker 1>D wind mag um, I'm gonna guess that it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one hundred feet per second out of the mozzle

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<v Speaker 1>and at the third six pushing that same bullet at

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<v Speaker 1>to three thousand feet per second, you know, on average, again,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on if you loaded it hot or depending on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the you could buy a factory AMMO that

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<v Speaker 1>could that could be pushing the same bullet faster or

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit slower, but somewhere in the realm of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty feet faster or slower. And so the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>the odds six and the three inner wind MAAG is

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<v Speaker 1>probably just a couple hundred feet a second, which someone

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<v Speaker 1>could probably sit there and lay down some real numbers

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<v Speaker 1>and start talking about kinetic energy and impact energy all

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff, and and it might end up

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<v Speaker 1>being a great, big difference, but you're saying it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>not significant. I'm a believer that it's more important to

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<v Speaker 1>have a rifle that you can handle and shoot accurately

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<v Speaker 1>and not be scared of because it kicks too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Put that bullet in the right spot. Why do you

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<v Speaker 1>think people care? Because I want to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>main point. Why do you think like people make such

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<v Speaker 1>big differences that are like, oh, thirty six and it

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<v Speaker 1>can't all be the same thing. Well, it's not, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's they're moving fast. That bullet is moving faster.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the only difference the bullet is moving faster.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no difference in the bullet itself. The bullet

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<v Speaker 1>is simply moving faster. So okay, So if I'm throwing,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm throwing a hundred sixty five grain out of

1:18:33.360 --> 1:18:36.759
<v Speaker 1>my three mag it's going at three thousand and fifty

1:18:37.439 --> 1:18:39.800
<v Speaker 1>three thousand and fifty ft per second. That's what you

1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.280
<v Speaker 1>just found on the internet. No, I pulled up my

1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:47.880
<v Speaker 1>my ballistics calculator. H Yeah, and I have chronographed my

1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:51.800
<v Speaker 1>six that hand load for when I'm shooting a hundred

1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:55.439
<v Speaker 1>sixty eight grain barns Is and they're shooting, it's shooting

1:18:55.520 --> 1:19:01.479
<v Speaker 1>those things that um like, okay, not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>difference at three hundred yards, and Elk isn't gonna know

1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:10.439
<v Speaker 1>the difference. Yeah, so this is like a prelude. So

1:19:10.680 --> 1:19:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I got like a number of haunts. I'm anticipating this fall,

1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and I have like a whole fleet of firearms, and

1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I just like now and then get sick of having

1:19:22.439 --> 1:19:25.240
<v Speaker 1>the whole fleet of firearms. So I was like, you

1:19:25.320 --> 1:19:28.439
<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm to go down and I'm gonna just

1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:33.960
<v Speaker 1>like I'm no matter what I'm doing this year, dear Elk, whatever,

1:19:34.760 --> 1:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>everything from sickle black tails which are like hundred pounds

1:19:39.600 --> 1:19:43.560
<v Speaker 1>up to four hundred pounds moose. I'm just using my

1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:48.759
<v Speaker 1>three not messing around all kinds of different guns and whatnot.

1:19:48.840 --> 1:19:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna like, I'm gonna load up with a hundred

1:19:53.400 --> 1:20:00.120
<v Speaker 1>and sixty five grain Federal trophy bonded bullets, and I'm

1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:05.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna like, just just that's it done dinking around all fall.

1:20:06.680 --> 1:20:12.360
<v Speaker 1>So go marching up the hill, and um, you know, Brody,

1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:16.479
<v Speaker 1>we just like Brody had done a thing written an

1:20:16.520 --> 1:20:18.760
<v Speaker 1>article not long ago talked about different people's choice, like

1:20:18.880 --> 1:20:20.479
<v Speaker 1>if they only had to hunt with one gun, and

1:20:20.520 --> 1:20:23.280
<v Speaker 1>what if most people it was split down the middle.

1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:25.840
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, Joannest and I are the thirty sixth

1:20:25.840 --> 1:20:27.920
<v Speaker 1>side of things, and you and cow were the three

1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:32.320
<v Speaker 1>hundred side of things. And I think, you know, you're

1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:35.080
<v Speaker 1>not making a mistake choosing the three hundred. It's just

1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:38.080
<v Speaker 1>in some cases it might be a little much, you know,

1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:40.599
<v Speaker 1>But that's things. So my whole like one gun deal

1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:46.679
<v Speaker 1>right now, we go marching up and we uh post

1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:52.320
<v Speaker 1>up on a glass and tip and we find that

1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that night, you know, we got mauled by flies, bad

1:20:57.520 --> 1:20:59.959
<v Speaker 1>maul So where my hands are still like not comfortable,

1:21:01.160 --> 1:21:04.519
<v Speaker 1>got mauled by flies and glassed up a few doughs,

1:21:04.720 --> 1:21:07.360
<v Speaker 1>a handful of dolls, one of which may have been

1:21:07.400 --> 1:21:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a little spiker, and then Dirt got his big spot,

1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:15.160
<v Speaker 1>kept the ball rolling, slept in our tents, woke up

1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:19.479
<v Speaker 1>all fogging, and you said that night. Aren't out at night,

1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and Yanni didn't believe me. Sure enough, the next morning,

1:21:23.120 --> 1:21:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I have found in hunting the alpine, and like hunting

1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the alpine for sick of black tails, the evening is

1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:35.880
<v Speaker 1>not and it should not be considered an indicator of

1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:38.719
<v Speaker 1>whether you're in a good zone or not. I don't

1:21:38.800 --> 1:21:40.960
<v Speaker 1>know why. I see a lot more dear, and in

1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:43.880
<v Speaker 1>fact we saw five or six at night. And now

1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:46.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, you know what, I know, we're looking at

1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:48.679
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of dolls, and there's a lot more dear around.

1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I find you they're just popping. The morning and it

1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:58.479
<v Speaker 1>was a different story, like some little negative nancy thing,

1:21:58.560 --> 1:22:03.160
<v Speaker 1>he said. And I remember I got up and it

1:22:03.280 --> 1:22:06.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't quite dark yet, and I gathered up my loot

1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:08.519
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, see boys in the morning, and

1:22:08.600 --> 1:22:10.680
<v Speaker 1>it was a cool but good you quit, you go

1:22:10.760 --> 1:22:15.120
<v Speaker 1>to the bed so I crawled my tent and sleep

1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and then wake up, wake up at daybreak, it's all

1:22:18.840 --> 1:22:23.600
<v Speaker 1>foggy and rainy. I had a cup of coffee, go

1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:25.920
<v Speaker 1>over to the glass and tip and just start just

1:22:26.280 --> 1:22:30.960
<v Speaker 1>pounding deer, buck after buck after buck after all. Hard

1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:33.839
<v Speaker 1>to find a dough the next morning, breaking deer everywhere.

1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:39.720
<v Speaker 1>So me and were already split off, and I got

1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm a one rifle man. That brings up another funny thing.

1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:46.920
<v Speaker 1>We actually talked about that that morning because I remember

1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:48.439
<v Speaker 1>there was a guy we had on the show one

1:22:48.479 --> 1:22:51.600
<v Speaker 1>time who said, like he's got like, oh shotgun. He's like,

1:22:52.200 --> 1:22:55.479
<v Speaker 1>beware of the man with one. Right. I'm like, dude,

1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:58.600
<v Speaker 1>the guys I'm scared of the guys that got a

1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:03.120
<v Speaker 1>ship load of guns that can shoot them all. You know.

1:23:03.200 --> 1:23:05.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like the guys I know that shoot the best

1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:07.519
<v Speaker 1>when I stay scared of, I mean, like the guys

1:23:07.520 --> 1:23:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I know that are the best shots tend to have

1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:12.600
<v Speaker 1>like a whole bunch of guns. Like you know, I

1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like to shoot, like regarding myself a fairly good shot,

1:23:15.240 --> 1:23:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and I got quite a collection. So um, yeah, I

1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:21.960
<v Speaker 1>think it's just like a thing people like to think.

1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:27.360
<v Speaker 1>But so yeah, neither is true. Whether you have one

1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:31.439
<v Speaker 1>gun or a hundred guns, neither makes you a good

1:23:31.560 --> 1:23:34.360
<v Speaker 1>marksman or or a good shot or you know, a

1:23:34.439 --> 1:23:37.479
<v Speaker 1>good hunter. It all depends on how much you're shooting

1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and practicing with the one gun or the hundred guns.

1:23:40.560 --> 1:23:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Fenty of dudes with a hundred guns that those things

1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:46.639
<v Speaker 1>just sitting saves safe. But it's like one of those

1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>like simple man mantras, y see where are the man

1:23:49.960 --> 1:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>with one guns? Nice? So yeah, me and bre already

1:23:54.400 --> 1:24:02.559
<v Speaker 1>split off and we get up and we're three yards

1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>from a buck when glassed him at like six hundred

1:24:05.280 --> 1:24:07.679
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, I moved in. Yeah, I got

1:24:07.760 --> 1:24:12.840
<v Speaker 1>over there and I hit the deer in the rib cage,

1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:17.200
<v Speaker 1>a couple of ribs up from the back down. I'm

1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:22.240
<v Speaker 1>laying down prone. He's quartering away very slightly. There's a

1:24:22.280 --> 1:24:25.120
<v Speaker 1>little bit of obstruction over his shoulder from some brush,

1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:33.160
<v Speaker 1>so I shied away from that a little teensy bit. Mhm, No,

1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:42.160
<v Speaker 1>it's more like, right, I remember my gun jumped up,

1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:45.639
<v Speaker 1>my my big heavy hitter, right thing like talk about

1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:51.640
<v Speaker 1>hooks at that thing. Remember the gun had like come

1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:53.600
<v Speaker 1>back down and I was trying to see through the

1:24:53.600 --> 1:24:56.479
<v Speaker 1>scope what had happened when I founally heard the right

1:24:56.680 --> 1:24:59.240
<v Speaker 1>so new We hit him, yeah in the ribs. All

1:24:59.320 --> 1:25:05.160
<v Speaker 1>thrips go there, and ah, he's still run off a

1:25:05.160 --> 1:25:07.759
<v Speaker 1>little way. Not much blood, yeah he went no blood

1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:14.040
<v Speaker 1>run off twenty yards and no, like real small entry

1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:19.719
<v Speaker 1>hole through the ribs, small small and shouldered ribs, small eggs,

1:25:19.760 --> 1:25:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the whole size of piece behind the show opposite should

1:25:23.960 --> 1:25:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Everything looks cool, Everyone looks cool. We dragged the deer

1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:29.400
<v Speaker 1>up to try to get out of the wind a

1:25:29.479 --> 1:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>little bit, and as we're dragging it, I'm starting to

1:25:32.360 --> 1:25:39.479
<v Speaker 1>smell that there's like, ah gut shot type situation going

1:25:39.520 --> 1:25:42.400
<v Speaker 1>on even though we're up in the ribs dragging around,

1:25:43.479 --> 1:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>and I think we're gonna like pull out the cutler

1:25:48.320 --> 1:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>and start working magic on the deer and get to

1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>working on it. And it's just like way like a

1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>lot out of damage, man, And I think I was

1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say, upawn his autopsy the right word. We yeah,

1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>we did like a little bit of sexual a little

1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:16.320
<v Speaker 1>you know. We we know we can say exactly the

1:26:16.800 --> 1:26:19.799
<v Speaker 1>path of the bullet, you know, like in the placement,

1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:23.320
<v Speaker 1>and it was it was ahead of the diaphragm, like

1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:26.519
<v Speaker 1>you said two or three ribs and angled is such

1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:30.360
<v Speaker 1>that it it still came out behind the opposing shoulder.

1:26:30.400 --> 1:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>It did not hit intestine or no, no, but it

1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:36.640
<v Speaker 1>also did It wasn't angled so much either that you know,

1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you like would have gone hit the opposing shoulder right

1:26:40.000 --> 1:26:42.479
<v Speaker 1>like it exited behind the shoulder, so it gives you

1:26:42.720 --> 1:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>just a sense of where it was. So the path

1:26:45.439 --> 1:26:49.360
<v Speaker 1>was like farther back in the whole vital area, but

1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>still ahead of the diaphragm. Both lungs had a hole

1:26:52.920 --> 1:26:55.920
<v Speaker 1>through it. It was like excellent shot placement, is my point.

1:26:56.000 --> 1:26:59.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't feel like you were back. But

1:26:59.520 --> 1:27:05.360
<v Speaker 1>that thing hit. That thing hits so hard and fast

1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and big. Did it like yeah, burst the stomach? Maybe

1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a rib bone went back in there or busted that. Yeah,

1:27:14.160 --> 1:27:16.040
<v Speaker 1>because when that thing went in, even though you're on

1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:19.679
<v Speaker 1>the skin, you have one small thirty cowhole. It bosted

1:27:19.800 --> 1:27:24.360
<v Speaker 1>three ribs, but it could have just been that you

1:27:24.520 --> 1:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>tell me, honest, is the whole hydro static shock thing

1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:31.360
<v Speaker 1>like is that a real thing? It's real? So that

1:27:31.640 --> 1:27:34.519
<v Speaker 1>shock wave may have burst the gut too. Yeah, that's it.

1:27:35.240 --> 1:27:37.439
<v Speaker 1>Not only did it burst the stomach, but I mean

1:27:38.080 --> 1:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>do you have a diaphragm that completely you know, separates

1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:45.519
<v Speaker 1>the two. Right, Yeah, so burst that he said it

1:27:45.600 --> 1:27:49.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't even its like wandering like ran off well, just

1:27:49.439 --> 1:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of plunge down. It wasn't like a Yeah, like

1:27:52.920 --> 1:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>if you if you're if you're hunting, you hit a

1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>and you hit an animal. It's not always true. This

1:27:57.400 --> 1:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>is not always true at all, but in general terms,

1:28:02.200 --> 1:28:06.599
<v Speaker 1>if you hit something in it like really quickly starts

1:28:06.640 --> 1:28:11.320
<v Speaker 1>favoring like a downhill get away, you probably got a

1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>good hit up. Not always, not at all always, but

1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:17.920
<v Speaker 1>if it's kind of towards you in a downhill direction, especially,

1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like he probably got a good hit. And he

1:28:19.720 --> 1:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>was when he ran, he was on wobbly legs, like,

1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>good about it. And then there's another indicator about that

1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>happened here that tells you about your shot is there's

1:28:28.760 --> 1:28:33.680
<v Speaker 1>two other bucks with them, and so a buckets hit

1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and runs because he got hit right, just runs the

1:28:35.560 --> 1:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>way as it tips over, you can't see, you don't

1:28:37.760 --> 1:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>know what happened if he has disappears from your view.

1:28:40.080 --> 1:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>But when those other bucks hang out, you know, looking

1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>down trying to figure out what happened. He didn't leave right.

1:28:47.560 --> 1:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>So these artwo bucks were very slow to get out.

1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:52.599
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, had that one buck really been missed

1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and ran off, He's not gonna stop run. He's gonna

1:28:55.200 --> 1:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>keep going probably, and everybody's gonna travel with him. But

1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:00.280
<v Speaker 1>when they're like hanging out trying to figure out what happened,

1:29:00.560 --> 1:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>he's down. No, he never felt a thing. Yeah, man,

1:29:05.439 --> 1:29:08.439
<v Speaker 1>I think he was alive like a second at most.

1:29:10.000 --> 1:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But when we open it up, so even though the

1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>shots through the ribs and in front of the diaphragm,

1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>everything up in there is just like stomach contents. And

1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>when I'm butchering, we use those uh those It's called

1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a bench made steep country and it's got like a

1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>big boat, not a big it's a short blade, but

1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>like that big boat belly on it, big drop point,

1:29:36.280 --> 1:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>big drop point blade, and you like take that thing

1:29:39.479 --> 1:29:41.519
<v Speaker 1>and usually if you get like if you hit something

1:29:41.560 --> 1:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>through the ribs, oftentimes especially on the exit side, you

1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>have like a lot of blood clotted stuff. Then you

1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>just take that thing and just clean down the ribs

1:29:49.840 --> 1:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>like match, You're just like scraping the ribs down, You're

1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:54.719
<v Speaker 1>just like flaming it all the way. You just flate

1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>it all away and you just pitch it. But doing that,

1:29:58.000 --> 1:30:01.040
<v Speaker 1>it's just like a mess. So now, but there was

1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a sting of contents on both sides of the animal

1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>between the ribs and the hide and there like that's

1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>how much energy is going through that. There was grass

1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>like up in the shoulders, like just going You found

1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>some in the neck zone, like undigested stuff he had

1:30:20.000 --> 1:30:23.559
<v Speaker 1>been eaten that morning. Yeah. Up, they had come out

1:30:24.040 --> 1:30:27.439
<v Speaker 1>passed up between the skin and the muscle and jammed

1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:31.599
<v Speaker 1>up in the neck area. Yeah, I'm not a one

1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>gun man anymore. Well, yeah, here's I mean, I'm Devil's

1:30:34.960 --> 1:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>advocate a little bit, because some guys are gonna say, like,

1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:42.800
<v Speaker 1>so are you saying that you're animals too dead? Yeah?

1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>The gun did its job. It just did it a

1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:48.760
<v Speaker 1>little too. Well. You're after two things. I'm after a

1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>sweet spot. If you imagine like two intersecting lines. Okay,

1:30:54.479 --> 1:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>one line is humane death and one line is meat

1:30:59.760 --> 1:31:02.719
<v Speaker 1>damn much. Now, I could have gotten a really humane

1:31:02.840 --> 1:31:06.920
<v Speaker 1>death with a hand garnaide or like RPG or shooting

1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>him in the shoulder chevy. Yeah, but sure, humane death,

1:31:14.560 --> 1:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>but the meat damage line it's too high. Yeah. So

1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:27.519
<v Speaker 1>you're striving for um, like for instance, with archery. Right, Um,

1:31:28.040 --> 1:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>with archery, it's like a way, it's a different trade off,

1:31:32.240 --> 1:31:37.479
<v Speaker 1>very very minimal minimal meat damage. The quickness of the

1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>death is not as abrupt. So with archery you have

1:31:43.280 --> 1:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>a different sort of trade off. Right, You're like, meat

1:31:46.240 --> 1:31:49.519
<v Speaker 1>damage is this minimal? Even if you punched through the shoulder,

1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Like had I hit that deer in the shoulder, there

1:31:53.040 --> 1:31:57.640
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have been either shoulder, it wouldn't have moved and

1:31:57.720 --> 1:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>you'd have had no shoulder meat. Whatso it this is

1:32:01.160 --> 1:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>way we had to trim out some bad shoulder meat

1:32:03.760 --> 1:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>on the exit side. So like with archery, like meat

1:32:06.920 --> 1:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>damage is next to nothing, virtually nothing, but quickness of

1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>death is slower. It's just like and then if people

1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>can bed, it's like okay, you know, screw you, it's

1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:22.679
<v Speaker 1>just shorter. It's it doesn't happen as quickly. I'm sorry,

1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. It's like I love it, right, bow hunt

1:32:27.280 --> 1:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>is great, Um, I think people should do more of it. Ah,

1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:35.599
<v Speaker 1>and I have and I remember the hitting the bull

1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>elkow the bow and watching it take two steps ball

1:32:38.240 --> 1:32:40.599
<v Speaker 1>over dead like it does happen by saying like generally

1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>those lines get moved low meat damage lower, you know,

1:32:47.120 --> 1:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>humane kill factor. So yeah, you could it was too dead.

1:32:53.640 --> 1:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I got something you should try, I think before you

1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:59.559
<v Speaker 1>decide to not be at one gun from one gun man.

1:32:59.760 --> 1:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Here's thing. It's like the part of being a one

1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>gun man's being a one bullet man. Yeah, okay, please, Well,

1:33:09.360 --> 1:33:12.479
<v Speaker 1>big reason people shoot like a lighter bullet, like five

1:33:12.520 --> 1:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>out of a tuner win maggots because it's flat, right, Yeah,

1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>but I mean this is a rabbit hole you can

1:33:20.720 --> 1:33:23.479
<v Speaker 1>really get squirrely with. But that lighter bullet is blown

1:33:23.479 --> 1:33:27.559
<v Speaker 1>around by wind more so shooting winnie conditions, you're shooting

1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:30.639
<v Speaker 1>like a two dan like he likes to throw those

1:33:30.640 --> 1:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>big two hundred higher ballistic coefficient, so doesn't get blown

1:33:34.040 --> 1:33:36.439
<v Speaker 1>off a little bit more. And once you really get

1:33:36.520 --> 1:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>out to range, just the air friction itself slows down

1:33:39.960 --> 1:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the one sixty five faster than the two hundreds. So

1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:45.559
<v Speaker 1>at some point out there, like six hundred plus yards

1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>that the two d grainar actually might surpass the But

1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that's like ranges that we don't really shoot game app

1:33:54.040 --> 1:33:56.479
<v Speaker 1>at least you and I don't. But something to think

1:33:56.520 --> 1:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>about is if you went up to two you were

1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:03.679
<v Speaker 1>to be shooting a bigger bullet at a slower speed.

1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like if you went and hit a

1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:11.240
<v Speaker 1>one pound antelope, cou's deer, black tailed deer, yearling, whitetail,

1:34:11.439 --> 1:34:13.559
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like hitting it with that guns going

1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>two grains. I don't know, I think you might see less.

1:34:17.960 --> 1:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I think you would see less, Yeah, because I think

1:34:20.840 --> 1:34:24.960
<v Speaker 1>it's the speed maybe and maybe the fracturing of the

1:34:25.320 --> 1:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>front end of that bullet, which is supposed to happen.

1:34:28.040 --> 1:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, with that bullet that you're shooting, that's maybe

1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>causing more of that damage that you don't like. And

1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>if you had a bigger bullet that maybe uh stayed

1:34:36.439 --> 1:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>together moving a little bit slower, you wouldn't have as

1:34:39.800 --> 1:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>much of that shock. Yeah, Like, I mean, I shoot

1:34:43.560 --> 1:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>animals with a fifty grain muzzleloader bullet, and you know

1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's not blowing them into bits. Yeah yeah, I mean

1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:57.559
<v Speaker 1>thinking about shooting deer back home with twelve gage slugs. Right,

1:34:57.600 --> 1:35:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I never killed a deer to slug. It's right, you were.

1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I lived north of the shotguns zone, so we're Steve.

1:35:04.400 --> 1:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>When I grew up somewhere, I don't know, do you

1:35:06.240 --> 1:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>know what de mark case, I could draw it on

1:35:08.080 --> 1:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>a map. But yeah, but anyways, in the southern part

1:35:11.200 --> 1:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>of Michigan, I think it's still that way. Now you

1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:17.040
<v Speaker 1>can only use uh shotguns for the southern third of

1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the state, and um, yeah, they just poke a nice

1:35:22.479 --> 1:35:26.320
<v Speaker 1>big hole. Yeah, you got a deer with a buck

1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:30.240
<v Speaker 1>with a chotgun last shotgun and I had no I

1:35:30.320 --> 1:35:32.280
<v Speaker 1>had no meat. I shot him close range, you know,

1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>so it's still probably holl And buggy, But I think

1:35:34.120 --> 1:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>it's only coming out of the muzzle at like eighteen

1:35:38.080 --> 1:35:40.759
<v Speaker 1>hundred to two thousand feet a second, So a thousand

1:35:40.840 --> 1:35:45.240
<v Speaker 1>feet a second slower that same slug was doing three thousand. Yeah,

1:35:45.520 --> 1:35:48.320
<v Speaker 1>probably a different end result a lot more meat damage,

1:35:48.320 --> 1:35:50.800
<v Speaker 1>but I had none. When you do gys talk about

1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>hydrostatic shot, we're tom I was the hit so fast

1:35:54.800 --> 1:35:58.439
<v Speaker 1>that you have like the projectile passing through it. But

1:35:58.479 --> 1:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>then there's also the issue of like displaced material, like

1:36:04.200 --> 1:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>displaced liquids that are then pushed out of the way

1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.479
<v Speaker 1>at such a fast speed that they become projectile like

1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:14.479
<v Speaker 1>or caused like this wave of shock. And that's why

1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:18.720
<v Speaker 1>when you hit something it just goes down like all

1:36:18.720 --> 1:36:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes when you hit something, it's just like down on

1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the ground the shock of it. Because a slower velocities,

1:36:26.520 --> 1:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>you could hit something where it doesn't even register the

1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:31.880
<v Speaker 1>hit and also in a couple of seconds later tips

1:36:31.960 --> 1:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>over from blood loss, but the actual shock of the

1:36:34.720 --> 1:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>hit doesn't do anything. Um yeah, man, I think I'm

1:36:40.400 --> 1:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I I hear what you're saying, but

1:36:42.120 --> 1:36:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I think like I think that I I made like

1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:47.439
<v Speaker 1>a brief foray into being a one gun man, and

1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm foraying back out honna get me Like I'm going back.

1:36:51.920 --> 1:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll have a little lightweight Deally and my little lightweight

1:36:55.479 --> 1:36:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Deally is gonna be deer and antelope whatnot. And then

1:36:59.280 --> 1:37:03.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have my big ball buster for Elchi mouse

1:37:03.600 --> 1:37:09.120
<v Speaker 1>alchim mouse. Yeah. So is uh is damage? The meat

1:37:09.240 --> 1:37:15.840
<v Speaker 1>damage like makes me sick? Yeah? Another thing you could try.

1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>We gotta wrap it up here, but you could, like

1:37:18.760 --> 1:37:21.800
<v Speaker 1>you could try those trophy coppers. I've had really good

1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>luck with that copper bullet because it holds together and

1:37:27.400 --> 1:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I've actually shot him on the point of the shoulder.

1:37:30.280 --> 1:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Bull Elk. What was that shooting? When I shot that

1:37:32.760 --> 1:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>bull Elk? I can't remember now. I think it was

1:37:34.760 --> 1:37:38.519
<v Speaker 1>my three short mag I was shooting a hundred and

1:37:38.840 --> 1:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>eighty grainer and it was like a two hundred yard

1:37:41.160 --> 1:37:43.760
<v Speaker 1>shot not too far away, pointed his shoulder and just

1:37:44.200 --> 1:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>dropped him, just lights out, over and done, never kicked

1:37:48.920 --> 1:37:51.519
<v Speaker 1>and h It had gone through both scapulus. You know

1:37:51.640 --> 1:37:54.439
<v Speaker 1>it was high and you know, so there was But

1:37:55.160 --> 1:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the point is maybe a two inch diameter made two

1:37:59.000 --> 1:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>to three inch diameter meat damage around the you know,

1:38:03.040 --> 1:38:04.760
<v Speaker 1>the entry and the exit as it went through those

1:38:04.800 --> 1:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>capulus because that bullet is not exploding when it's hitting. Yeah,

1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I had good luck with him last year. Those trophy

1:38:12.240 --> 1:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>coppers worked well for me, even shooting uh, lung shots

1:38:17.560 --> 1:38:20.360
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of guys will say, oh, you're saying

1:38:20.360 --> 1:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you like those trophy coppers. Yeah, And I was leary

1:38:23.200 --> 1:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>of them for lung shots because they're just you know,

1:38:25.479 --> 1:38:27.559
<v Speaker 1>you hear the whole, like making a little hole through

1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the lungs takes them a long time to bleed out.

1:38:29.960 --> 1:38:31.960
<v Speaker 1>But that I did the double lung shot on the

1:38:32.040 --> 1:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>mule deer and an elk last year and they went

1:38:34.600 --> 1:38:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Those animals went thirty forty yards and died. Yeah. I've

1:38:38.400 --> 1:38:40.840
<v Speaker 1>just had a lot of really good luck over the years,

1:38:41.160 --> 1:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>like using what I use, but yeah, including thoughts. Yeah, man, um,

1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to like jump in. I think one time

1:38:55.760 --> 1:38:57.600
<v Speaker 1>when we were mooching. Next time we mooch, when you

1:38:57.840 --> 1:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>jump in with the scuba tank and go down there

1:39:01.080 --> 1:39:04.240
<v Speaker 1>and just see how wild it really is. I think

1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:06.559
<v Speaker 1>you could have stuck a GoPro down there that one day,

1:39:06.720 --> 1:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, yeah, I'm thinking about going. I'm not sure yet.

1:39:11.000 --> 1:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about this winter down in Seattle doing my

1:39:14.240 --> 1:39:16.840
<v Speaker 1>diver certification. Man, but this is also just seems like

1:39:16.880 --> 1:39:21.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of I might but also seems like gear heavy,

1:39:21.360 --> 1:39:24.479
<v Speaker 1>just a whole other damn you know, like a whole

1:39:24.520 --> 1:39:27.720
<v Speaker 1>other thing. I would be pretty up in Southeast Alaska's

1:39:27.800 --> 1:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>like there's so much stuff to do and you want

1:39:30.920 --> 1:39:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to It's like you gotta like focus, you know, just

1:39:33.160 --> 1:39:37.559
<v Speaker 1>see like a whole other realm, just that much more

1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:41.639
<v Speaker 1>ship laying around, not a whole another pile of that stuff.

1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Another shock for your scoobern get like tanks. I don't know.

1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of dying to do it though, man. And

1:39:47.760 --> 1:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I would dive down there too, you know, I would

1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:53.519
<v Speaker 1>dive down there. That's it, Just that you want this film, uh,

1:39:53.920 --> 1:39:56.519
<v Speaker 1>that's your complexion. No, just to see what's going on,

1:39:56.600 --> 1:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>because I think like we we everybody want take a

1:40:00.479 --> 1:40:03.720
<v Speaker 1>what is this interaction and what the take looks like

1:40:03.920 --> 1:40:07.200
<v Speaker 1>between the silvers and the herring, Like what's going on

1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>down there? And someone's probably already done it. Someone probably

1:40:10.880 --> 1:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>knows exactly what it looks like. Yeah, why aren't there

1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:19.800
<v Speaker 1>nature movies? There's a million nature movies of pelagic warmwater

1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>pelagics pounding baitballs. There has to be nature movies. Maybe someone,

1:40:27.360 --> 1:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>if they know about this, can send us a note

1:40:28.920 --> 1:40:31.519
<v Speaker 1>at the mediator dot com. But there has to be

1:40:32.080 --> 1:40:37.560
<v Speaker 1>videos of Sam and working bayball. You know those the

1:40:37.640 --> 1:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>cameras at the ice fisherman send down. Yeah, I wonder

1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:41.760
<v Speaker 1>if you could hang one of those off a boat,

1:40:42.800 --> 1:40:45.800
<v Speaker 1>let's see what's going on down there. Yeah, but not

1:40:45.960 --> 1:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>like some souped up underwater photographers get Yeah, I want

1:40:49.040 --> 1:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>to see a souped up underwater photographer film of salmon

1:40:52.439 --> 1:40:54.600
<v Speaker 1>working bait. I'm sure I can see, like what the

1:40:54.680 --> 1:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>interactions like, do they just come through, do they hurt?

1:40:58.400 --> 1:41:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Are they corral? And um? Yeah, dirt too, they're quick though.

1:41:04.640 --> 1:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>One just speak on that. People made me think of

1:41:07.160 --> 1:41:10.759
<v Speaker 1>it as a variety of activities you mentioned the bare

1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:15.719
<v Speaker 1>uh interactions we had this trip were phenomenal thirty yards away,

1:41:15.840 --> 1:41:18.599
<v Speaker 1>like get hoofed at em barked out, having a stare

1:41:18.640 --> 1:41:22.439
<v Speaker 1>down with with the rang one with a better foe. Yeah,

1:41:22.680 --> 1:41:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean that was that was something that won't leave me.

1:41:26.320 --> 1:41:29.439
<v Speaker 1>The second one as I'm camping in my truck and

1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I need a place to live. So if anybody in

1:41:31.720 --> 1:41:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Bozeman knows of the rental or a caretaking ranch out

1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:40.439
<v Speaker 1>of explain us. Now that's right. So Dirt, I mean,

1:41:40.520 --> 1:41:42.280
<v Speaker 1>my gal, I want to help you out in this

1:41:43.080 --> 1:41:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Dirt lives uh um those out of his truck. Yeah.

1:41:49.640 --> 1:41:51.120
<v Speaker 1>When Dirt opens the door of his truck, you know,

1:41:51.240 --> 1:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>like you know that that little area like in your

1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>truck door where you keep like maps or a coffee

1:41:56.040 --> 1:41:58.679
<v Speaker 1>cup like, and there's that little lower compartment that's Dirt's

1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:01.360
<v Speaker 1>medicine cabinet. So he opens up his truck door, it's

1:42:01.400 --> 1:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like shampoo and deoder and stuff all lined up in

1:42:04.000 --> 1:42:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that little tooth phased toothbrush all lined up. Now, how

1:42:09.080 --> 1:42:12.799
<v Speaker 1>long was your stint like as a real a resident

1:42:12.920 --> 1:42:17.759
<v Speaker 1>of an actual dom style The longest it is probably

1:42:17.760 --> 1:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>about a year and a half because you lived with

1:42:21.200 --> 1:42:23.479
<v Speaker 1>your girl until when June and up in a place

1:42:23.520 --> 1:42:26.479
<v Speaker 1>with a roof. Yeah, and then we're both and she's

1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:30.320
<v Speaker 1>she's a great Well, we'll be good tenants or caretakers.

1:42:30.720 --> 1:42:33.400
<v Speaker 1>So you're looking for a caretaking gig and you don't

1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>want to pay any rent. Yeah, I mean, now, listen,

1:42:38.240 --> 1:42:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I will come in and say this or or or

1:42:40.439 --> 1:42:42.360
<v Speaker 1>we would rent, but we just need a place in Bozeman.

1:42:42.400 --> 1:42:45.640
<v Speaker 1>If anyone's got something, yeah, and I will come in.

1:42:45.720 --> 1:42:48.439
<v Speaker 1>And I don't do this very often. I will vouch

1:42:48.680 --> 1:42:51.680
<v Speaker 1>up and down for Dirt as being if I was

1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:53.720
<v Speaker 1>going to have my place caretake, I would have to

1:42:53.760 --> 1:42:56.800
<v Speaker 1>be caretaked by Dirt. Thank you, Steve, Because I'm telling

1:42:56.800 --> 1:42:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you what. We're trying to change the gear oil and

1:42:58.760 --> 1:43:01.240
<v Speaker 1>one of the outboards and cook at that that uh,

1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Dirt's of yeah, handy, handy, handy. So I'm wondering if

1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:12.160
<v Speaker 1>you want to be saddled though with that responsibility. Well

1:43:12.600 --> 1:43:17.880
<v Speaker 1>it's nice, but man, physicians are full time, okay, But

1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Dirt has a job. Yeah, but Dirt just travels a

1:43:21.000 --> 1:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>little bit. But he's got his girl around to help out. Yeah,

1:43:24.040 --> 1:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>And and rental too. Were we just we're having a

1:43:27.080 --> 1:43:29.240
<v Speaker 1>tough time finding a place out of town in the

1:43:29.320 --> 1:43:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Bozeman area. So I figured you got, like, ideally, there's

1:43:33.640 --> 1:43:36.360
<v Speaker 1>some joker out some wonderful person out there who's got

1:43:36.600 --> 1:43:39.760
<v Speaker 1>a place that they're like kind of in a little bit,

1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:42.320
<v Speaker 1>but not really in there that much. They would love

1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>to have someone there that was trustworthy, keep it up.

1:43:45.400 --> 1:43:48.280
<v Speaker 1>You know Dirt's parents, Well, like I can vous for

1:43:48.360 --> 1:43:52.720
<v Speaker 1>this guy up and down and screwed. His old man

1:43:52.760 --> 1:43:55.120
<v Speaker 1>would come out and make it right. His old man

1:43:55.200 --> 1:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>would come make it right in a hurry. Not that

1:43:57.600 --> 1:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Dirt would have screwed Garrett House at our place while

1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:04.160
<v Speaker 1>we were at a great job. Yeah, while we were

1:44:04.200 --> 1:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>on vacation home. And but the deer, he did let

1:44:07.840 --> 1:44:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the deer get the garden. But that was not that

1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:14.400
<v Speaker 1>was that was a fence problem. He just happened to

1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:17.840
<v Speaker 1>be there when it happened. So sounds of bitious. So

1:44:19.040 --> 1:44:20.960
<v Speaker 1>you got, like, this place right, and you're only there

1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:23.519
<v Speaker 1>now and then, and you just want everything to be tight,

1:44:23.640 --> 1:44:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and when you show up, you want Dirt to be gone.

1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>He can be, he'll he won't even be, he won't

1:44:29.040 --> 1:44:31.160
<v Speaker 1>even Yeah, you want to be the smelling, and his

1:44:31.439 --> 1:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>toothbrush will not his toothbrush would be in his truck door,

1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>not in your house. And to show up and everything's

1:44:36.240 --> 1:44:40.320
<v Speaker 1>tight and right and you're ready to enjoy yourself. Um,

1:44:41.680 --> 1:44:43.560
<v Speaker 1>so that was two things. You like running bears and

1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:45.479
<v Speaker 1>having a wolf at you and clack your teeth out

1:44:45.560 --> 1:44:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you and ship and then you liked you're looking for

1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the place lift. Yeah, the winners upon us. The fall

1:44:50.280 --> 1:44:52.839
<v Speaker 1>is brody. How came you never plug our fishing clients?

1:44:53.640 --> 1:44:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Because I got all the clients that want really Yeah, man,

1:44:57.360 --> 1:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing it for seventeen years. I don't need

1:44:59.439 --> 1:45:03.760
<v Speaker 1>to I don't want one more. Yeah, if you want

1:45:03.800 --> 1:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>to look at it, look me up, go for it.

1:45:05.640 --> 1:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>But how they find if they want to book you

1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>for Colorado fly Fishing, fly Fishing Outfitters Avon Colorado orvis

1:45:12.360 --> 1:45:15.160
<v Speaker 1>But I only got like, no'll find Brodi Henderson. Yeah,

1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>but I only got like six or eight weeks a

1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:19.360
<v Speaker 1>year anymore. You know, I used to do two trips

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<v Speaker 1>a year. That's just not fun anymore. I'm getting old. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to fish when it's like eighty degrees and

1:45:26.640 --> 1:45:29.640
<v Speaker 1>sunny and there's a bunch of bugs hatching outside of that,

1:45:29.720 --> 1:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really interested in it really. Yeah, and your

1:45:32.479 --> 1:45:34.720
<v Speaker 1>kids right missing out? Yeah, like I'd rather take my

1:45:34.840 --> 1:45:36.400
<v Speaker 1>kids fishing at this point. You don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>gone all the time. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well there's

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<v Speaker 1>an enthusiastic talk about a guy hungry for business by Henderson,

1:45:47.720 --> 1:45:51.320
<v Speaker 1>But that might be the best kind of guy, because

1:45:51.320 --> 1:45:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy when I'm out there. I'm not that that

1:45:53.280 --> 1:45:55.120
<v Speaker 1>might be the best kind of guy. He's not gonna

1:45:55.120 --> 1:45:57.120
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, it's perfect right now, it's perfect. He

1:45:57.240 --> 1:45:59.400
<v Speaker 1>might be like, if you go him, it's gonna be right.

1:45:59.479 --> 1:46:02.800
<v Speaker 1>If you can squeezing a half day trip between June

1:46:02.880 --> 1:46:08.120
<v Speaker 1>fifte and July, I'm all about it. You're gonna catch fish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. My concluding thaws that shout out to Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Elliott because we had a thing I used to on

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<v Speaker 1>the on my pocket knife. I used always like those

1:46:18.880 --> 1:46:24.840
<v Speaker 1>pocket knives that had part seration, oh yeah, part normal tip.

1:46:25.280 --> 1:46:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Matt Elliott that bench made was kind of like he

1:46:28.840 --> 1:46:30.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like down on it. He's like, oh, you know,

1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:33.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody has what they worked for him. But he suggested

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<v Speaker 1>to switching over and he took the I have this,

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, it's called a grip tillion. She's like

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<v Speaker 1>what they call like the E d C, like the

1:46:42.280 --> 1:46:45.280
<v Speaker 1>everyday Carrie knife. And I always had that serrated on there,

1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:49.639
<v Speaker 1>and he took it and made it put it just straight, dude,

1:46:49.640 --> 1:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm loving that, just straight man, You're not missing this.

1:46:52.160 --> 1:46:54.200
<v Speaker 1>So I used to, like I have, honestly that my

1:46:54.280 --> 1:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>whole entire life, walking around the pocket knife that had

1:46:56.640 --> 1:47:00.320
<v Speaker 1>seration on it, thinking I was bad motile, ready to

1:47:00.360 --> 1:47:03.400
<v Speaker 1>cut some ropes, ready to like cut of rope. It

1:47:03.600 --> 1:47:06.880
<v Speaker 1>like was dragging me off into a pit, right. I

1:47:06.960 --> 1:47:08.760
<v Speaker 1>had to like cut it quick or else I die

1:47:09.320 --> 1:47:11.840
<v Speaker 1>or something. Yeah, I think when you asked Matt about it,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, yeah, some guys like them, man beacon of knives.

1:47:18.000 --> 1:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Though I got one more concluded real quick. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to give the impression that we left a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of meat on the hill, Like we took our time

1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:32.280
<v Speaker 1>and cleaned it up, and every just took went to

1:47:32.400 --> 1:47:36.519
<v Speaker 1>left the heart my vacuum seiler, oh, really closing up

1:47:36.560 --> 1:47:38.639
<v Speaker 1>the cabin, and I was like, you know what I'm

1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:42.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna do. I'm gonna um not leave my chamber seiler.

1:47:43.400 --> 1:47:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Like most vacuum steelers are like you know, like those

1:47:46.880 --> 1:47:50.560
<v Speaker 1>little they're not a chamber seiler. Yeah, everyone has, like

1:47:50.720 --> 1:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, you put it on the outside and you

1:47:52.240 --> 1:47:53.599
<v Speaker 1>put the bag on the outside. I have like one

1:47:53.600 --> 1:47:56.639
<v Speaker 1>of those Western chamber seilers where it's a much better system.

1:47:56.720 --> 1:47:59.200
<v Speaker 1>The bags are better and cheaper to buy bags for

1:47:59.280 --> 1:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a chamber see, but chambership was a lot more expensive

1:48:01.360 --> 1:48:04.439
<v Speaker 1>either way. I didn't like my chamber seiler sealed up,

1:48:04.680 --> 1:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and I thought it might mill doing air, so I

1:48:06.960 --> 1:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>cracked it open to stick a uh a little piece

1:48:11.000 --> 1:48:14.200
<v Speaker 1>of chalker, just keep it, just to keep it cracked.

1:48:14.560 --> 1:48:17.040
<v Speaker 1>It realized that damn dear heart was in there, sealed

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<v Speaker 1>like I sealed the last bag, like crapping all of

1:48:20.040 --> 1:48:23.599
<v Speaker 1>our meat. We were like ceiling fish and freezer paper

1:48:23.640 --> 1:48:26.120
<v Speaker 1>and red meat. But I was like, for whatever reason,

1:48:27.200 --> 1:48:30.439
<v Speaker 1>back bag, the heart didn't find that, So there's gonna

1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:33.280
<v Speaker 1>be a fermented heart for the next person that goes there. No,

1:48:33.439 --> 1:48:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I had to pitch it. Oh, it's through it all

1:48:35.680 --> 1:48:37.720
<v Speaker 1>the water for the crabs, because they've been sitting there

1:48:37.800 --> 1:48:41.439
<v Speaker 1>for unsealed, sitting there for however long in the room

1:48:41.520 --> 1:48:43.880
<v Speaker 1>to in the wood stole right next to it. A

1:48:43.880 --> 1:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>total stupid move man but I still got my liver. No, man,

1:48:48.800 --> 1:48:50.479
<v Speaker 1>we did like a lot of meat salt. It's just

1:48:50.560 --> 1:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>like it was a lot of work and made me realize.

1:48:53.040 --> 1:48:54.880
<v Speaker 1>But where is the man with one guns? He's gonna

1:48:54.960 --> 1:48:58.719
<v Speaker 1>leave a lot of meat damage, all right, Thanks for listening.