Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely
Speaker 1: bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You
Speaker 1: can't predict anything, all right, Dirt myth back from the dead.
Speaker 1: It's been a while. Explain your I situation. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell a part of it. Yeah, no, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll tell the first part, and I'm gonna have parts
Speaker 1: of all other parts to tell. It used to be
Speaker 1: that you couldn't really see anything. Yeah, just glass, like
Speaker 1: you couldn't see critters. Yeah, shitty game eyes. How a
Speaker 1: fella might reporter. Yeah, you saw things that uh exist,
Speaker 1: saw things that were not there, and then didn't see
Speaker 1: things that were there. Then you went in science, you
Speaker 1: went and and uh explain that got lasic, which was
Speaker 1: phenomenal recommended to anybody. It was like a rebirth really. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, like you opened your eyes and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden like, oh ship, there's all the animals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was quick. It was like it was painless.
Speaker 1: You know, there is inherent risks in cutting into your
Speaker 1: eye with a laser, but it was like maybe fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes procedure and then maybe two hours later like it
Speaker 1: was it was, it was it was crazy because the
Speaker 1: glasses I had two hours later, Yeah, I could see,
Speaker 1: like and it varies the recovery, you know, because they
Speaker 1: they just assumed was swelling and stuff. But yet on
Speaker 1: the drive back Andrew, my girlfriend drove me back to Bozeman.
Speaker 1: By the time we got home, I like couldn't go
Speaker 1: in the house because everything looks so cool outside. Not
Speaker 1: seeing critters everywhere, yeah, and realizing the ones you thought
Speaker 1: were there were they were probably scratches and eye boogers
Speaker 1: on my glasses or something. And then after then you
Speaker 1: started wearing glasses when uh, two thousands, like early two
Speaker 1: thousand's it's not my whole life, but two you saw
Speaker 1: my setup I had. I had that Jerry rigged crokey. Yeah. Garrett,
Speaker 1: Garrett's father, Oh, he's gonna love this, invented activewear something
Speaker 1: called activewear where he takes a piece of lawn trimmor cord, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like like the the actual cutting cord from a weed
Speaker 1: whacker and he fixes uh it as a yeah, but
Speaker 1: it isn't like poky like band aid. Right, It's like
Speaker 1: a company used to making what's like, what's the other
Speaker 1: word for it, retainer? Yeah, makes an eyeglass retainer out
Speaker 1: of weed whacker cord his work. But he's like his
Speaker 1: are for reading glass, which I need now bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you so you would like his like I couldn't read.
Speaker 1: I was trying to read the dosages on fuel stabilizer
Speaker 1: yesterday and nothing. It's very difficult. I've got that too.
Speaker 1: Tying on hooks, small hooks, Henderson. You tie a lot
Speaker 1: of small hooks professionally. Yeah, the last couple of years
Speaker 1: you've been putting readers on. I've been caved in yet,
Speaker 1: but I need to, dude. I was in a restaurant
Speaker 1: there day was I want to get back to you, dirt,
Speaker 1: cause I want to talk about you poking a hole
Speaker 1: in your eye of the pine, eating dire damn in
Speaker 1: a restaurant, and we're gonna come back to your whole
Speaker 1: little sock. So a friend of mine she had on
Speaker 1: a pair of cheaters that she just got one point
Speaker 1: five magnat vacation. I put those suns bitches on and
Speaker 1: it was like holy, Like this is what menus look
Speaker 1: like in real life. It makes you realize what happens
Speaker 1: to you after you turn forty, Like so degrading man.
Speaker 1: They do say forty to like the lacing and it
Speaker 1: happens fast. I'm now like I dread, you know, like
Speaker 1: you wake up the middle night and your kids like
Speaker 1: sick or something. You're trying to figure out how much
Speaker 1: like children's like whatever to give him ibi profen. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this can't be happening to me. Just I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about getting a magnifying glass just to keep my pocket
Speaker 1: when I get read. But I'm like, well, that's might
Speaker 1: be white people wear glasses. Rogan's got cheaters. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think everyone. Eventually he carries him around all the time
Speaker 1: and he needs to read something, he puts him on.
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, I'm so jealous, man, I gotta get
Speaker 1: some of those things. Well, you gotta try. I'll get
Speaker 1: you some of what Dad makes. Well that's what I need.
Speaker 1: I need the weed whacker cord put on them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not gonna try to like meet girls anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah Dad, Yeah, it's not like I'm married.
Speaker 1: I started weed whacker cord around my head with my
Speaker 1: glasses there to it ship so dirt. There you are.
Speaker 1: You got glasses when early two thousands, so you've been
Speaker 1: running around the glasses of ten years, and here's what
Speaker 1: happened to Dirt. This is this is Yanni's theory. It's accurate.
Speaker 1: I think it's Yannie. Didn't you come up with this
Speaker 1: theory about why Dirt pulled the hole in his eye
Speaker 1: with a pine needle like days after getting laceick? Well
Speaker 1: it was he had gotten You tell him your theory, Yanny.
Speaker 1: Why think we should tell the story of how he
Speaker 1: got poked in the eye at first? But I don't
Speaker 1: want to Dirt tell his own story. He might leave
Speaker 1: out my favorite parts. Go ahead, you tell what happened
Speaker 1: to you. Well, I do gotta say it was luckily
Speaker 1: it was like two months after surgery, because but I'd
Speaker 1: like to tell him like I like, yeah, I like
Speaker 1: to just for dramatic effect, like the mess with the
Speaker 1: facts when it comes to talk about you and your eyes. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so you tell the straight dope version. So making
Speaker 1: two months later, two months later, make an epic TV
Speaker 1: Steve setting up his tent on the Big Belt mountains
Speaker 1: in Montana. And usually I can just freely head butt
Speaker 1: pine trees with eye protection. But in this case, because
Speaker 1: for ten years you been walking through the woods goggles
Speaker 1: eye and not having the seeds nonetheless not having to
Speaker 1: worry about that. And just like actually I was holding
Speaker 1: a branch down in the branch slipped from my foot
Speaker 1: as I was lowering, So it was like, yeah, the angle,
Speaker 1: the dangle was worst case scenario. That's what happened. And
Speaker 1: I thought it would go away because everyone's scratched their eye,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, or you know if you're out in the
Speaker 1: woods often, but this this thing was uniquely just whatever
Speaker 1: however it happened, it's got worse every day, are you guys? Luckily?
Speaker 1: Luckily I work with good people, because by the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you guys are like, you should break
Speaker 1: it out of here. Scratches don't get like worse the
Speaker 1: next day. And it wasn't even a scratch. It ended
Speaker 1: up not being a scratch. It was a puncture, right,
Speaker 1: what was an abrasion forneal abrasion, But it was during
Speaker 1: that day like every once in a while it was
Speaker 1: pain that would almost cause me to like puke. And
Speaker 1: what was happening is it it got infected and swelled up.
Speaker 1: This is the next day. Well, I had a hike out.
Speaker 1: Good to optomers. He said. Every time I blink, because
Speaker 1: it's so swollen it would retear that flat and that
Speaker 1: was where it was like, you know, I had to
Speaker 1: stop a couple of times when we were hiking. But
Speaker 1: the place I went to had this thing called I
Speaker 1: can't remember the name pro I want to say pro karra,
Speaker 1: but it was stem cell from placena that they put
Speaker 1: on my eye. Doptometris said it was the largest abrasion
Speaker 1: he'd ever seen and was like where he said, if
Speaker 1: I would have way it another day, I would have
Speaker 1: lost vision in that eye. But they put this. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know that, No, no, no, not complete though like
Speaker 1: it would Yeah, it would have scarred up to the
Speaker 1: extent that there would have been a you know, lifetime fog. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm a little sense of this because right now my
Speaker 1: wife's freaking out that she got a welding helmet from
Speaker 1: someone kids can wash the clips through a welding helmet.
Speaker 1: Then she got the reading about how there's like gradations
Speaker 1: of protection in a welding helmet, like you know, eight
Speaker 1: up to whatever or blow aid up to whatever you're
Speaker 1: supposed to have. Anyway, she's worried that didn't have the
Speaker 1: right glass in it and that she'd like permanently damaged
Speaker 1: the kid's eyes, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: just feel like they're a little more durable. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: I did. On that note, I was using one of
Speaker 1: those you know they have the automatic welding masks or
Speaker 1: as soon as you you know, make connection, it will
Speaker 1: you know. I've used that stuff, but it's a delay.
Speaker 1: Well unbeknownst to me. I mean I was younger too.
Speaker 1: I was like in my early twenties. The battery was
Speaker 1: dead and it wasn't actually going dark. So welded for
Speaker 1: you know, like an hour, and if it wasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: it's tinted, and so I thought it was. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is great. I can see perfect during the welding,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't actually damming, and that felt that I
Speaker 1: ended up burning my yeah, my eyes from that, but
Speaker 1: it heals up. Um I got snow blindness. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like twice once ice fishing on Pendle's Lake in Michigan's
Speaker 1: Up Peninsula and we all got it. We're all there
Speaker 1: in the blaze and ass sun before we really kind
Speaker 1: of got onto sunglasses and um, like the Indian yeah drinking, uh,
Speaker 1: like it was real cold out and you put Boone's
Speaker 1: farm out and like everything would freeze, but the syrup
Speaker 1: would rise up to the surface, or just drinking the liquid,
Speaker 1: the boozy lior that comes up to the top of
Speaker 1: the frozen bottle of boons and now and yellow perch
Speaker 1: and uh we all got and then that night man
Speaker 1: get back. And also it's like it's like, hey, did
Speaker 1: you guys rub gravel into my eyeballs? And then um
Speaker 1: And other time I was with this dude, Rick Weirs,
Speaker 1: when we were welding up snapping turtle traps. We're just
Speaker 1: making them out of woven wire. We had this we
Speaker 1: had this really yeah, we had this like really heavy
Speaker 1: gauge woven wire and we're we're against the building that
Speaker 1: had been sided and corrugated. Oh yeah, so sided in
Speaker 1: court like what you put for corrugated roofing, but it
Speaker 1: was sided in that so when Rick would strike the arc,
Speaker 1: I would just turn and look away. But I'm looking
Speaker 1: at that unpainted corrugated building just getting Yeah. So after
Speaker 1: we got this trap welled up a couple of hours ago,
Speaker 1: by and I had to go down in the emergency
Speaker 1: room hurt. But that's why I would say, your kids,
Speaker 1: like they would know that's what I was telling my wife.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he wouldn't have stared at it for eight minutes,
Speaker 1: But apparently you can. I don't know. I thought if
Speaker 1: you had, like if you if you um are married
Speaker 1: or whatever, if you have children with a woman, it's
Speaker 1: a lot better that the woman worries about the kids
Speaker 1: than not. Yea. You can't be like critical of someone
Speaker 1: for worrying about their well being, because there's the there's
Speaker 1: the opposite, right, Yeah, they doesn't care about the kids
Speaker 1: well being, which is like very alarming. It's more alarming
Speaker 1: than when they cared too much. That's good, that's good mother.
Speaker 1: And so there you are, aunt in the woods, piney,
Speaker 1: the wafts in the eye, tear's your thing. You walk out,
Speaker 1: and my favorite part of the story is you had
Speaker 1: the foresight to practice driving with one eye, knowing that
Speaker 1: you might have to make a long drive the next
Speaker 1: day with only one eye. Well, the whole hike out,
Speaker 1: I couldn't I could not see ship man. That's that's
Speaker 1: something you've learned. To appreciate it to anyone who's lost
Speaker 1: or you don't have to cover their eye for the
Speaker 1: next period's depth perception is critical for the world being. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a decent high too. It's probably four miles.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, in a day kind of
Speaker 1: I'm not just stumbling over stuff. Yeah. Death death perception
Speaker 1: is a critical for driving to Yeah, man, all worked
Speaker 1: out though? Is that curve up ahead or yeah? Slow?
Speaker 1: My favorite part of the story isn't. Like three days
Speaker 1: go by, we're texting on Garrett. He's all right, this
Speaker 1: guy's patch on his eyeball and everything, and he had taken, um,
Speaker 1: we'd rent it a nice suburban for the trip. We
Speaker 1: have been left with like the big cargo van. And uh,
Speaker 1: like three days go by and we're on our way
Speaker 1: home and uh, it's like, so this is a nice suburban,
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean you haven't taken it back yet.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know. I kind of like driving
Speaker 1: it around one. We would mean Andrew would just go
Speaker 1: take like even and drive just because it was so nice.
Speaker 1: You know. Days after that happened, I get a picture
Speaker 1: of my little nephew who had the same similar thing
Speaker 1: happened where he got a devil's club, for got a
Speaker 1: devil's club foreign in his eye, and it got worse
Speaker 1: and worse and worse. And worse, and he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: to have surgery. Yeah, well they say, like in the
Speaker 1: pictures in a wheelchair, like I think they had to
Speaker 1: put him on into work on his eye. They say
Speaker 1: the organic materials will cause infection faster than like metal
Speaker 1: shaving or which is surprising to me, like a pine
Speaker 1: needle or Devil's Devil's club. But the stems. That's what
Speaker 1: blew me away was when the Dodgers like, we you know,
Speaker 1: usually you could use this protective lens and it just
Speaker 1: allows the eye to heel itself. He's like, but now
Speaker 1: recently they passed the stem cell lens and it's like
Speaker 1: he said, it would have been like three weeks with
Speaker 1: the old one. The new one was three days. It
Speaker 1: took longer because of the you know, just because the
Speaker 1: damage was so extensive. But they make this this I
Speaker 1: patch out of placena. Yeah, and it's it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it just it was awesome. And then he was saying
Speaker 1: they're doing in knees and stuff. I mean, did you
Speaker 1: get the one? And about whose placena was what I
Speaker 1: jokingly was saying, I should track down the placena like
Speaker 1: film My Journey to Find the Gal who donated and
Speaker 1: tell her she's safe. Dude, if I ever had like
Speaker 1: a piece of some other mug put in me like
Speaker 1: how they do you know, little bits and peace, I
Speaker 1: would just spend all my time reading about that person
Speaker 1: and buying out about them going to visit me, and
Speaker 1: they would haunt me. Man, it doesn't fops up in
Speaker 1: my mind. But I mean they from what and you
Speaker 1: guys may know all being uh, you know, parents, and
Speaker 1: but friends of mine that have been asked if they
Speaker 1: would donate their placena for such causes. It's like during
Speaker 1: the chaos of you know, being pregnant stuff, you don't
Speaker 1: even think about it like this whoever so saying it
Speaker 1: ended up in my eye. They prayed and didn't think
Speaker 1: about it. I didn't cross their mind when my when
Speaker 1: we were having kids. The first time we had a kid,
Speaker 1: I was talking like like I got a friend Bruce,
Speaker 1: who well, let me back up. When we were having
Speaker 1: our first kid, I was gonna eat the placenta. Then
Speaker 1: I was gonna um drink the milk, my wife's milk,
Speaker 1: just to be part of the whole. I just was like,
Speaker 1: how convenient. Why? Well, I don't know why. I just
Speaker 1: had in my head that I's like I had read
Speaker 1: that people can eat oh you know a little bit,
Speaker 1: because like you know, I've pushed the limits of what
Speaker 1: a person can eat and the next frontier, right the
Speaker 1: next threshold, they say you already eat folks. So um,
Speaker 1: it just seemed like a good way to be, like
Speaker 1: to be like if you're talking to some and oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you ever had the monkey? How about squirrel? Like you
Speaker 1: ever had folks? I have we? I think we we
Speaker 1: we sent from the second birth. We sent it off.
Speaker 1: And they want to say they dried it or dehydrated
Speaker 1: it and then turned it into capsules. Yeah, there's some
Speaker 1: hood gibber that like some like pseudo science that you
Speaker 1: like eat the placenta and it makes you like super healthy. Again,
Speaker 1: Well that was It's the same. So you have been.
Speaker 1: You've cannibalized if eating the yea dehydrated meat, it's a muscle,
Speaker 1: right or a thing a body part. You've eating human
Speaker 1: body parts. That explains got one up on me. You
Speaker 1: didn't end up so I think you turned down the
Speaker 1: check out on the breast milk out. Now. I got
Speaker 1: a friend Bruce who when he goes into the fridge,
Speaker 1: like for you guys that haven't been through this yet.
Speaker 1: Like a woman, um, we'll save up. A mother will
Speaker 1: like she uses more milk than the kidneys can produce.
Speaker 1: Same same with dairy cows, right, That's why I like
Speaker 1: when a dairy cow not too quate, not to equate
Speaker 1: the mother my children do dairy cow. But when a
Speaker 1: dairy cow drops a calf, the cow can produce vastly
Speaker 1: more milk than the caffeys. So what they do in
Speaker 1: the big commercial milk facilities, they just take the calf
Speaker 1: away and raise the calf on formula and then milk
Speaker 1: the cow to death because it's producing within a couple
Speaker 1: of cycles. You know, like I used town us, Like
Speaker 1: a cow used to be good for like ten lactations.
Speaker 1: Now with all the things they do a little trickery
Speaker 1: they have, they can like get all the milk you're
Speaker 1: ever going to get out of that thing in a
Speaker 1: couple of lactations. So they take the calf away, feed
Speaker 1: it on formula, and then milk enough milk out of
Speaker 1: that cow to feed the whole herd of calves. So
Speaker 1: ladies will uh do the same, Yeah, Because like if
Speaker 1: you're gonna go out, for instance, if you're gonna go out.
Speaker 1: Let's say you have the kid, and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: go out and drink a couple of glasses of wine.
Speaker 1: And you don't want to go give the kid milk
Speaker 1: that you're producing when you drank the wine. You'll just
Speaker 1: pump a little bit ahead of time, put it in
Speaker 1: the fridge in little bottles. We have a couple of
Speaker 1: glasses of wine, come home, pump that milk, dump that
Speaker 1: milk out, and give the kid the milk in the fridge.
Speaker 1: Can you take Like with cattle, you can taste. We
Speaker 1: had a milk cow grown up, and if it got
Speaker 1: into different plants, you could you know if they were
Speaker 1: like strong. Well, I don't know if I don't drink
Speaker 1: enough of it, but yeah, like I know that if
Speaker 1: a cow gets in the wild onion, you gotta like
Speaker 1: fill the milk out. But I'm wondering with the with
Speaker 1: the woman's like, could you taste the difference in the
Speaker 1: wine milk? I didn't. I just use it for a
Speaker 1: coffee creamer, But you did that, Bruce Ball. But go
Speaker 1: in pour a cup of coffee, go over there and
Speaker 1: just tip a little that milk in there and stir
Speaker 1: it up. Any sugar sweet. Oh yeah, it tastes like
Speaker 1: it's just dr condensed milk. Yeah, because I look at
Speaker 1: it and be like, man, that's some high dollar ship
Speaker 1: right there. I'm not just gonna dump it down the
Speaker 1: drain and there ends up being a lot in the
Speaker 1: freezer at times that's not Yeah, my wife had stacked
Speaker 1: that stuff away. My wife came to understand hunting better,
Speaker 1: uh by stacking up milk because she was like, I
Speaker 1: get it, man, because she's like, you know, she always
Speaker 1: I like to get all that meat, Like just fill
Speaker 1: that freezer up with stacks and meat and then be
Speaker 1: like now we're set right, And she's like and she
Speaker 1: always ate it, but didn't think about it. And when
Speaker 1: she started saving those little bags and milk, she's like,
Speaker 1: I totally get it now, man, I opened a freezer
Speaker 1: door and you got all the My wife grew to
Speaker 1: hate that pumping machine though she just would look at it.
Speaker 1: You just get angry to a sole bizarre man. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a real comfortable. No one looks forward
Speaker 1: to pump. And then you're at work and you gotta
Speaker 1: go like, you know, you're sitting at your desk, that
Speaker 1: thing pumping away on there and people like you a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a big deal. It's big deal
Speaker 1: for people. But uh, what happened to one time my
Speaker 1: wife's friend had a health emergency and had to do
Speaker 1: a bunch of how to do some narcotics for a
Speaker 1: health of her and then my wife was able to
Speaker 1: dig into her stash of milk for that baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter. Yeah, mother to childhood can be
Speaker 1: any but your question, I heard some research um her
Speaker 1: radio program on They're talking about how kids grow up
Speaker 1: with like basically different palets, you know, and how you
Speaker 1: could be like or at a year old, yeah, be
Speaker 1: used to like Indian food, right, because like Indians are
Speaker 1: used to eating Indian food from whatever. And they were
Speaker 1: saying that, like, yeah, the kids get a lot of
Speaker 1: sort of that you get their palette built up by
Speaker 1: drinking breast milk because mom's eating everything she's always, you know,
Speaker 1: and that goes in there. Yeah, if you have like
Speaker 1: a super bland diet is just a bunch of process grains,
Speaker 1: then uh yeah, so uh did we kind of wrap
Speaker 1: up the whole thing with your eyes? So now you're
Speaker 1: back in action. Yeah, feeling good? Spotts got Dirt got
Speaker 1: one of his like, uh like just a good good
Speaker 1: on the spot. And it wasn't like we're because oftentimes
Speaker 1: camera guys do this give me looking way off yonder right,
Speaker 1: trying to spot the far away mystery animals, and you
Speaker 1: forget about that. There's all kinds of area right around you,
Speaker 1: and a camera guy will turn around and see one
Speaker 1: right close which happened, and you're like, oh, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: That doesn't really count. Though, Dirt had a game a
Speaker 1: spot where over there, and I'm like, third bullshit, So
Speaker 1: I said, did you see it move? Yes? I started
Speaker 1: getting interested because like when something like when someone like
Speaker 1: sees like I think I see a deer and then
Speaker 1: a while they're like, hasn't moved at all? No, it's
Speaker 1: still possible. But then I started getting more skeptical. They're
Speaker 1: looking at a rock colored rock or deer, but there's like, no,
Speaker 1: it moved, and it took us a long time to confirm.
Speaker 1: But you would game eyed a very difficult spot well too.
Speaker 1: I would say it was a critical timing, as I remember,
Speaker 1: and this maybe just to boost my entry. I want
Speaker 1: to be a hero. It had been a slow couple
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of no no dear being spotted, and it
Speaker 1: kind of reinvigorates. Let me say, if you're in a
Speaker 1: spot where thirty minutes I was seeing a deer is
Speaker 1: a big deal. You're in a good spot. That's a
Speaker 1: good problem. It was a good spot his spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the spot on the mountain was good and dirt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really, you said, all all other species um
Speaker 1: confusion and lack of spody was forgiven. It was so
Speaker 1: good that I forgave you all the times you haven't
Speaker 1: spotted game or out of game that wasn't game, and
Speaker 1: I forgave you temporarily mixing up one animal from the other.
Speaker 1: Because the rabbid man eating mink that we had, the
Speaker 1: rabbi van eat mink that we later encountered, I was
Speaker 1: quick to correct the bleeding rabbid man eating mink. The
Speaker 1: local kept describing it as a marmot. I didn't want
Speaker 1: hanging around my cabin eating salmon carcasses as a as
Speaker 1: a marmot eating salmon carcasses. But turns out the fellas
Speaker 1: we were talking to you last night that that yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been there for years. Okay, So all right. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get the mooch and co host and shoot
Speaker 1: a little box with humongous guns. But but we'll touch
Speaker 1: on the mink. So when we flay salmon, we'll use
Speaker 1: the like we'll flay a salmon. And then we used
Speaker 1: the trim uh for chum for halibit. Let you just
Speaker 1: take like the bone, you know, the spine, use it
Speaker 1: for chum for halibit, or take the head and use
Speaker 1: it for shrimp bait whatever, so we don't immediately discard
Speaker 1: it like clean fish and set him out when there's
Speaker 1: bears hanging around. We're pretty careful about it. We hang
Speaker 1: the chum up. But there had you know whatever, just
Speaker 1: left the bait bucket, the chum bucket sitting out, and
Speaker 1: I noticed to sell him a gnawing on the on
Speaker 1: the bones, which is fine. And it turns out this
Speaker 1: little mink uh has been coming in there and it's
Speaker 1: got at the up top of the base of its
Speaker 1: tail has a very size bigger than a quarter. Yeah A,
Speaker 1: I would go so far as to call a festering
Speaker 1: wound festering wound. And this mink has absolutely no I
Speaker 1: should say absolutely virtually no fear of humans. Yeah, foot
Speaker 1: away to the point where it even gets like a
Speaker 1: little kind of aggro on you, a little bit aggressive
Speaker 1: on stand in its ground, Yeah, and curious about you,
Speaker 1: possibly rabid. We were thinking something wrong with sure, and
Speaker 1: I got to wear old. I think it looks like
Speaker 1: even besides it's injury, it looks like ship. Usually when
Speaker 1: you see minks, they have like they almost like flow
Speaker 1: asleep the landscape. You know, there's a sleek like movement
Speaker 1: to him, and this soccer has more of like a
Speaker 1: hobbling like he's got like a hitch in his giddy up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like an old like some imagine something really old lady
Speaker 1: with a really old poodle. If you watch that poodle
Speaker 1: walk around scruffy in southeast Alaska. So the mink I
Speaker 1: got to wear. I started toying with the idea of
Speaker 1: killing it with a rock, only cause I had in
Speaker 1: my head that there's something wrong with it. It's sick
Speaker 1: and it's like suffering, and it's potentially like a hazard
Speaker 1: to be around when you're sleeping and things around with.
Speaker 1: You know, he just is weird. Yanni told me that
Speaker 1: would be playing god. Then I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot it with a shotgun. Then I didn't
Speaker 1: uh do that. He kind of vanished then I thought.
Speaker 1: Then me and Broder like, oh, he crawled off and died. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then we get talking to some boys down the beach
Speaker 1: and they're telling us that that meant it's just been
Speaker 1: hanging around for years with a fastering wound on the
Speaker 1: base of its tail. Yeah, they named it what was
Speaker 1: his name, I can't remember. Faster And you said that
Speaker 1: was a female mint because it was a lighter color. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then we saw it fail safe. But like like when
Speaker 1: I used to trapped mink, a male mink, you know,
Speaker 1: would be twice as worth, twice as much as a female,
Speaker 1: much longer than the female. So like a male mank
Speaker 1: might be twenty four inches nose to base, the tail
Speaker 1: mank could be you know, fourteen or whatever. Females, they're
Speaker 1: they're generally lighter color. They generally seem to have like
Speaker 1: they're they're like, I could be a mistake about this,
Speaker 1: but I think I remember this that the tail the
Speaker 1: body ratio was less tailed for body like than a male.
Speaker 1: Then we later saw a couple of males fighting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just big yeah, big, yeah, they have a crazy screen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sound was I would have never thought that that
Speaker 1: was two minks you knew? Yeah, well, I've just seen
Speaker 1: him and heard him before. And do you remember, do
Speaker 1: you remember were you there at Doug Durn's out and uh,
Speaker 1: there was a mink raid in a squirrel nest and
Speaker 1: I could hear him way up a tree and I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what's going on. And I realized that
Speaker 1: there's a mink up in a tree fighting with a
Speaker 1: squirrel because he's trying to raid the squirrel nest to
Speaker 1: get the babies out, but the squirrel was fighting them,
Speaker 1: and that mankles up there doing that crazy fighting sound too.
Speaker 1: My money would be on the mink their weasel family, right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you don't mess with them. Yeah, yeah, no
Speaker 1: one wants the mess of the mink. Man. Um. So,
Speaker 1: while you're here, diret Uh, what what was your impression
Speaker 1: of Mooch and co host man man you found your calling? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll dream of the Mooch madness about seventeen for years
Speaker 1: to come. I mean that it was fun. Explain it well,
Speaker 1: explain why you're having such a hard time with it,
Speaker 1: and then you got so good at that. The initial
Speaker 1: hit just causes like I feel like the reaction is
Speaker 1: to set it like your fly fishing or you know,
Speaker 1: real fishing, just the excitement and then you get limped
Speaker 1: back up. As Steve says, yea, the just set it
Speaker 1: like you're doing what Yeah, just like to really, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's such an aggressive hit when you're you're
Speaker 1: like slowly digging thirty ft. Yeah, let me let me
Speaker 1: break it down from it. Just catch people up. So, um,
Speaker 1: you guys, button if I miss out any things that
Speaker 1: you think are helpful to people to understand. So in
Speaker 1: the area of southeast Alaska where where we we have
Speaker 1: a fish and check, Um, well, if you're going there
Speaker 1: in the winter, there's not gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: co holes around. There's some resident kings that you might
Speaker 1: catch there, but it won't be many co holes around.
Speaker 1: The coals are coming in to the inner waters congregating
Speaker 1: up and they're getting ready to go up rivers and
Speaker 1: spawn and they start showing up. But you're like out
Speaker 1: in the you know, you're out in the legit ocean. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's fish that are preparing to do their spawn run.
Speaker 1: And then I believe other co hoes are mixed in
Speaker 1: that are not going to do a run that year.
Speaker 1: But the big schools come in and in this area
Speaker 1: they tend to congregate around rocky points, like big cliffy points.
Speaker 1: Either because I'm sure someone knows the answer to this,
Speaker 1: either because they're pushing bait, they're pushing harring and schooling haring,
Speaker 1: and it winds up being that they're schooling harring up
Speaker 1: against the cliff walls or the herring like those places,
Speaker 1: like the harringer in those points, and the coals just
Speaker 1: come and find them there. I'm not sure which of
Speaker 1: those is true. But when you pass over, so so
Speaker 1: you're fishing were you can take a slingshot and hit
Speaker 1: the cliff with a rock. But it's deep too, right,
Speaker 1: but it's still hundred two ft deep. Uh, And you'll
Speaker 1: pass over with a fish finder. You don't need to
Speaker 1: use a fish finder necessarily, but it's really helpful. You'll
Speaker 1: pass over the fish find you'll find the big bait balls.
Speaker 1: You'll either see big bait balls like just look like
Speaker 1: giant wads of something and they're thick enough that they're dent.
Speaker 1: So the sow inari show like red, red and yellow
Speaker 1: balls of something not on you know, hovering in the
Speaker 1: midwater column annual mark slashes like individual slashed fish, and
Speaker 1: the co host tend to eat. If you're in three
Speaker 1: ft of water, they're up, they tend to be around.
Speaker 1: So you've got three water column and you'll see forty
Speaker 1: five ft down you'll see slashes or balls, big balls
Speaker 1: of bait. And a big ball of bait on your
Speaker 1: sounar might look like it starts at thirty ft down
Speaker 1: and extends down to seventy so like you know, sizeable chunks.
Speaker 1: When you see that, you just say, like you'll shout
Speaker 1: out a depth and then a mooch. And rig is
Speaker 1: like big long noodle rods nine ft nine and a
Speaker 1: half ft rods with a level wine reel, and I
Speaker 1: like to use a line counter, a real the line
Speaker 1: counter on it. And you've got your main line running
Speaker 1: out and you got like a little flash it looks
Speaker 1: like a crushed beer can, and then eighteen inches of
Speaker 1: wine or whatever. Then you put a four ounce banana weight.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta you know, three ft of leader coming
Speaker 1: off that and a little two hook harness rig that
Speaker 1: you hook a piece of cut herring on. And when
Speaker 1: you see that baitball, you just shout out. Everybody dropped
Speaker 1: down on the forty ft and if all goals, Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I said. That was cold. I really like
Speaker 1: that part. It's like we're kind of, you know, motoring
Speaker 1: around and you're eyeing the the stone are and then
Speaker 1: when you say like fish at thirty, it was just
Speaker 1: like a sweet game on It's fun. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: dirt would get a hit and you would just try
Speaker 1: to bitch slap and like you said, I think what
Speaker 1: it was that And then also like when you bitch
Speaker 1: slap it like that, when you said it like that,
Speaker 1: you're also gonna let the slack out and they just well, no,
Speaker 1: because there's two things you're doing. I was doing something,
Speaker 1: you're limping you Here's that. This is the most common
Speaker 1: problem I've found with people who come out and haven't
Speaker 1: grown up or have it who aren't accustomed to saltwater
Speaker 1: deep saltwater fishing, Yes significant is they and even jigging
Speaker 1: deep water like jay halibut three of water. People have
Speaker 1: a tendency to do a very like rambunctious hook set
Speaker 1: without reeling. So they're doing a big hook set. So
Speaker 1: imagine that you're imagine the hands of a clock and
Speaker 1: the water is like the three and nine position. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the you got a horizontal plane and your rod's
Speaker 1: out horizontal above the horizontal plane of the water. Their
Speaker 1: hooks at takes them all the way up to twelve
Speaker 1: of a clock. Then for whatever reason, they lower the
Speaker 1: rod very quickly back down to the horizontal plane, not
Speaker 1: feeling anything. Yeah, and not really so they're like setting
Speaker 1: the hook. They're saying to the fish, got you the
Speaker 1: un they're standing just kidding. Because they lower the rod
Speaker 1: back down in on a nine ft rod, you're all
Speaker 1: of a sudden like providing the fish with tons of slack.
Speaker 1: And we think about the mechanics of a hook, the
Speaker 1: hook this falls back out of its mouth. Yeah, people
Speaker 1: just like yeah, limp nicking. It's it's just I don't
Speaker 1: get it. But real, when you're setting reel, I once
Speaker 1: after three I think three misses, then you got deadly
Speaker 1: because you realize that you can't just go on gonna
Speaker 1: lift the rod, tep it up the air and they're
Speaker 1: gonna drop it back down to the water and let
Speaker 1: you go. There's a reaction just because of that hit.
Speaker 1: But if you can keep your calm, just real bringing
Speaker 1: it a nice How big were those I think too
Speaker 1: though on that since we're talking about those hook set now,
Speaker 1: because there is no virtually no slack if you're fishing
Speaker 1: it right and when the fish takes it, if yeah,
Speaker 1: if you over hooks that, you know, like with a
Speaker 1: big giant motion, you could be pulling it right out
Speaker 1: of his mouth or right through his mouth, literally ripping
Speaker 1: off chunks of his pop. Yeah you know. Um, I've
Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about that, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: it has something to do with like the amount of
Speaker 1: slack that you're fishing with, because like fly fishing, right,
Speaker 1: you always like you rarely ever tight line while your
Speaker 1: fly fish, unless you're doing some sort of like check
Speaker 1: nimping thing right roady where you'd have actually like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have an actual feel to the to the fly.
Speaker 1: Normally they're slacks, so when the fish takes it, you
Speaker 1: have to make an exaggerated motion to take all that
Speaker 1: slack out as fast as you can. But that's not
Speaker 1: actually setting the hook. You're just removing the slack so
Speaker 1: that then the rod can but barely bend and and
Speaker 1: reeling down on the fish. Yeah, because I think they're
Speaker 1: eating that harring and turning with it. And if you
Speaker 1: really you're gonna hook him. But if you come up
Speaker 1: and then drop your rod tip, nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot of times they're swimming, they're eating
Speaker 1: it and swimming towards you at the same time. That's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. He's coming up and grabbing it.
Speaker 1: And I think that when people are like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: getting it, it's like you don't get a hit. You
Speaker 1: don't like coh doesn't come up and nibble on a hair.
Speaker 1: They're swallowing it. He's taking it. He's not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna He's not like being like a catfish who's just
Speaker 1: down there like leisurely messing around with your bait to
Speaker 1: see if it's something he wants to consume. That thing
Speaker 1: is coming up and grabbing it. When you get like
Speaker 1: a hit, what you think is a hit is the
Speaker 1: fish taking it. But he's a lot of times rocketing up.
Speaker 1: Because sometimes you'll hook a cold you'll think he had
Speaker 1: a hit, and the next thing you know, some bitches
Speaker 1: up in the air out of the water because he
Speaker 1: comes up and hits it, comes up and jumps and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you like feel like you had
Speaker 1: a hit. But then there's a fish flying through the air. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hooked one that I hooked it on my side
Speaker 1: of the boat and it ended up jumping behind us
Speaker 1: on the other side of the in which case he's
Speaker 1: he or she are is creating slack. That's why the
Speaker 1: astute angler doesn't say, oh, I'm getting hit and sit there,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't overdo it and do some massive, rambunctious
Speaker 1: hooks at he feels the take and reels down the fish. No,
Speaker 1: setting a hook like setting a hook is an end
Speaker 1: result right, Setting a hook means you're punching that hook.
Speaker 1: My understanding of it is the same way when you
Speaker 1: got that hook in your hand right, it never set,
Speaker 1: meaning it never got the barbon there. So if I had,
Speaker 1: at that moment when you were tangled up in your
Speaker 1: own hook on a fish in the net, had I
Speaker 1: grabbed that line and did a hook set, right, you'd
Speaker 1: still have that hook in your hand, or you'd be
Speaker 1: going to a place, a professional facility to get it removed.
Speaker 1: So a hook set is an end is a is
Speaker 1: a is a thing that happens from something you did.
Speaker 1: When when you reel down, I feel like you are
Speaker 1: putting that hook home. Barbs keeping everything. You're not you're
Speaker 1: not setting it with the lifting, are setting the hook?
Speaker 1: You're just not setting the hook by doing some crazy thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're reeling down on that fish. But I think nine
Speaker 1: out of ten, just you know, average level fishermen or
Speaker 1: just people in America, if you said set the hook,
Speaker 1: what does that mean or whatever, they would give you
Speaker 1: some you know, exaggerated motion of lifting the rod tip.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's what I want to see my
Speaker 1: clients do. Like they need to look like the Statue
Speaker 1: of Liberty. That's oh I don't need. It's a fly
Speaker 1: reel like you could reel for ten minutes. Don't real
Speaker 1: at all. It's all stripping, right because there's so it's
Speaker 1: such a narrow arbor on that thing, like it takes
Speaker 1: ten seconds to reel in five ft a line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like limp dick. And when you're a guiding fisherman, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him come up and then
Speaker 1: back down again. You don't say no, because that's the
Speaker 1: same thing you were talking about, Like it's up and
Speaker 1: stay up, you know, keep it talk. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: always told to put the butt towards the fish fly
Speaker 1: fishing once you got one on that makes sense? Is
Speaker 1: that something that's a good I never heard it, but
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, just to keep keep from limp dicken.
Speaker 1: So you want him getting the hang of it. Oh man, dude,
Speaker 1: it's so. It's the most thing on the planet. I
Speaker 1: would rather, uh. Another way to catch silver's wait till
Speaker 1: they go up in the river. I mean it's the
Speaker 1: hunter ways to catch them. But a couple of ways
Speaker 1: that we catch them. It's wait till they go up
Speaker 1: in the river miles and then just huck spinners at
Speaker 1: them or throw flies at them. Well, these were even
Speaker 1: like mooch is so much fun. And then a couple
Speaker 1: of those times they would like I don't know if
Speaker 1: they pop off the set the hooks or whatever, but
Speaker 1: they'd be chasing the herring up to the boat as
Speaker 1: he reeled up. I never expected to be visual like
Speaker 1: we're seeing those things next year. Nice bag of limit
Speaker 1: to your lout six a day? How big? What would
Speaker 1: you say the average size of those were. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's like giants out there and all that, but what
Speaker 1: we were trying, I would say, and we don't throw
Speaker 1: every fish on and we don't throw a really main
Speaker 1: fish on a scale at all, but just eyeball on
Speaker 1: them and having weighed a lot of fish, we definitely
Speaker 1: I don't think we caught it twelve pounds still over
Speaker 1: and the nose in our area and our fish and
Speaker 1: like a twelve pounds silver be like a nice fish.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of like six to ten pounds. Yeah, beautiful, strong,
Speaker 1: crazy and they go crazy. Yeah, antasca, we did uh
Speaker 1: raw eight one raw after freezing it get rid of parasites. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's we used to eat. Like when we used to
Speaker 1: catch a king. We just eat the thing, not even
Speaker 1: freezing it. But there is some and I think it
Speaker 1: was like people being hysterical saying that it's a bad
Speaker 1: idea to do it, but it's advised that you freeze
Speaker 1: it and then promp thaw it out and then cut
Speaker 1: it for then cut it for saus I had always
Speaker 1: heard do that with fresh water fish, but not that
Speaker 1: you didn't need to free saltwater fish. Yeah, with salmon,
Speaker 1: I think it's like best it's best practices, and I
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's my again understanding, someone writing and
Speaker 1: contradict um best practices to take that salmon, and I
Speaker 1: think that my understanding too. Is this what they do
Speaker 1: in sushi restaurants is they're freezing it and then serving.
Speaker 1: Would salmon be good as savich? I've had like stuff,
Speaker 1: but yeah, really good. Yeah, it's really good. Honest. Sushi
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah, we did good job. Slice in it
Speaker 1: just right. Yeah, but did have like texture like mushy? No, no,
Speaker 1: the opposite. Instead of being that like creaminess that you
Speaker 1: expect from a good fish. It had almost a little
Speaker 1: bit more audente than I was expecting. I wonder if
Speaker 1: that co ho is not the most popular, like the
Speaker 1: most popular sushi grade salmon, maybe kings Oh really, and
Speaker 1: now you can't catch him. I wonder if it was
Speaker 1: right now in this area like where the because it
Speaker 1: wasn't ballet part of the flat near the tail like
Speaker 1: I wonder if it would have been yeah, off the shoulders. Well,
Speaker 1: I advised him against that record is saying why are
Speaker 1: you doing the tail? Well, yeah, test run. It is
Speaker 1: because of the test run. So now we know we're
Speaker 1: gonna go home and pick out the biggest, fattest, thickest
Speaker 1: slab and try it again. Another kind of fisher we're
Speaker 1: doing is we're doing deep water jigging and uh, dirt
Speaker 1: pulled up a world record silver gray rockfish five ft.
Speaker 1: Well that country, he said, is off, but probably three
Speaker 1: feet right, yeah, over three big silver gray those so
Speaker 1: coals are allowed six a day, you're allowed, uh, rockfish
Speaker 1: a day as a nonresident, right? Is that the same
Speaker 1: for residents, same for residents. So when we bought our
Speaker 1: place many many years ago, you were allowed. I think
Speaker 1: at that time I could be wrong, but I think
Speaker 1: at that time you were allowed. A non resident was
Speaker 1: laud one or two yellow eyes a day. Then it
Speaker 1: went into an annual limit. Last year you were allowed
Speaker 1: to yellow eyes a day, two yellow eyes per year.
Speaker 1: This year one yellow eye per year. And on the
Speaker 1: west side of the island, no yellow eye retention this
Speaker 1: year for non residence or anyone. And they closed the
Speaker 1: winter King salmon and winter king got down shut down,
Speaker 1: but they closed the winter King salmon. Not to do
Speaker 1: with fish up here, but they're because they're having such
Speaker 1: poor returns and some rivers south of here and you
Speaker 1: can't and like counts are so down in some of
Speaker 1: the rivers south of here more in the like we're
Speaker 1: in southeast Alaska, but like northwest Yeah, uh, some of
Speaker 1: the returns are so low that they didn't emergency shut
Speaker 1: down of kings here and hopes that there's like and
Speaker 1: hopes that that some of those fish are up here.
Speaker 1: Did they shut anything down around you in Seattle at all?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, because I don't know as
Speaker 1: far as like wild kings. I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on down there right now. I'm just surprised like non
Speaker 1: commercial sport fishing would have an impact on something like that.
Speaker 1: One could argue that it doesn't. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: could see like you know, guided services or commercial Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that that'll get closed too. But they you know
Speaker 1: what a couple of weeks ago, well a few I
Speaker 1: guess a month or so ago, Now there was a king,
Speaker 1: a commercial king's season going on out here. So you
Speaker 1: got a commercial kings season going on. And then literally
Speaker 1: like it's you know, I mean, there's so many like
Speaker 1: there's so many conflicting interests and in the way like
Speaker 1: in Alaska they tear out importance level of fisheries, okay,
Speaker 1: and and and it's all very reasonable, but importance level
Speaker 1: be like subsistence fisheries get are like top tier importance okay,
Speaker 1: So people that rely on the fishery for like their
Speaker 1: own consumptive use. So that's like a primary food primary
Speaker 1: food source, and there's like cultural heritage there. Okay, like
Speaker 1: that user group is going to get top preference and
Speaker 1: commercial interests are going to get preference over recreational because
Speaker 1: of the livelihood. Yeah, and it's and it's like and
Speaker 1: then you get into this numbers game of what's more
Speaker 1: valuable to the state. What's more valuable to the state
Speaker 1: would be like what is the commercial harvest and the
Speaker 1: jobs generated from fish processing and and all the economic
Speaker 1: activity that goes along with commercial fishery. Is that more
Speaker 1: important or a more vital revenue stream for the state
Speaker 1: than old economic activity generated around recreational fishing. But it's
Speaker 1: kind of funny. It's like from the from the perspective
Speaker 1: of a personal use fisherman, it's really fun to be
Speaker 1: out Like we'll be out fishing and you're under a
Speaker 1: bag limit, like let's say you're a loud like like whatever,
Speaker 1: like six silver's a day or a king a day
Speaker 1: in a slot limit and you're fishing within stones throw
Speaker 1: of a person er. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like it
Speaker 1: winds up feeling kind of like like off kilter. But
Speaker 1: those guys have a quota that they're under. There's that.
Speaker 1: Or it would be that you're out fishing halibut rod
Speaker 1: and reel and you're allowed to halibate okay, a day.
Speaker 1: It's a very generous bag. That's a lot of halibut, right,
Speaker 1: you know, to halib it a day. But next to
Speaker 1: you is a hellibot longliner who's running miles of hooks.
Speaker 1: It just winds up, you know, me, It's like there's
Speaker 1: like a and it all makes sense, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's like out in the salt water when you're fishing
Speaker 1: amid commercial extraction. It does wind up seeing like like
Speaker 1: kind of art drop in the bucket. It seems like
Speaker 1: kind of arbitrary. This this this may be a reach.
Speaker 1: You guys may give me help for this, but probably
Speaker 1: if you're gonna because like a lot of things you say,
Speaker 1: you don't even know. Right, the fact that you're anticipating
Speaker 1: blowback makes me nervous because this could be good as
Speaker 1: a you know, living in Montana fishing fishing up here
Speaker 1: on the Pacific and it's like this massive body of
Speaker 1: water and it's like when when the when we're mooching
Speaker 1: and it's going off. It feels like there's like a
Speaker 1: limitless supply of these fish, and it kind of I
Speaker 1: was just like thinking it could equate to what the
Speaker 1: early settlers thought of as the buffalo being a vast
Speaker 1: A good point. Yes, So that's how it kind of
Speaker 1: works in an inability two comprehend the finiteness of a
Speaker 1: resource just because you're so overwhelmed with how much there
Speaker 1: is in your little world. So my body, speaking of
Speaker 1: the yellow eye thing, the yellow eye restrictions my body,
Speaker 1: who is a biologist, uh was saying to me the
Speaker 1: other day. And this is like a good dude, very
Speaker 1: concerned about resources, practices a lot of personal restraint, cares deeply,
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that if to save if someone
Speaker 1: said to him, if someone said to him, we can
Speaker 1: save the fishery, but that would mean you can never
Speaker 1: fish again the rest of your life, he would be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if that's the way it has to be, fine. It
Speaker 1: means that much to me to have it out there,
Speaker 1: knowing it's there, means more to me than contributing to
Speaker 1: his demise. Yeah, okay, So that kind of fell. He
Speaker 1: was saying to me. He's like, I just don't buy it.
Speaker 1: I don't buy the yellow I thing because when I
Speaker 1: dropped down and I catch one, Yeah, but like yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's like so anecdotal, dude, you might be you know,
Speaker 1: how do you It's like he also said they don't
Speaker 1: really know a lot about them, like as far as
Speaker 1: the numbers and stuff, but they know those sons of
Speaker 1: bitches when you catch a big one, those sons of
Speaker 1: bitches are eighty ninety years old. Yeah. The guy at
Speaker 1: the lodge caught a thirty pounder that they aged at
Speaker 1: I forgetting how it was around a hundred years old
Speaker 1: and they did a test on its earbone. Dude, any
Speaker 1: any yellow ey you catch is old enough to vote right,
Speaker 1: and most of them are gonna be old enough to
Speaker 1: get draw Social Security. Is there much of a commercial
Speaker 1: fishery for those? But then't even as limited? So like
Speaker 1: I've got friends that used to do commercial that commercial
Speaker 1: longline for Haliban. And you're trying to get out and
Speaker 1: set up on big flat areas, okay, but now and
Speaker 1: then you screw up and you set you close to
Speaker 1: a rock bluff for cliff face and just be like
Speaker 1: bunch of yellow eyes come up and you just gotta
Speaker 1: float all those fish come the commercial guys because you're
Speaker 1: limited to your percentage of like your bycatch. Like for instance,
Speaker 1: when when when you used to be able to, like
Speaker 1: in US waters, you used to be able to fin
Speaker 1: for sharks. Okay, so you could be a swordfish longliner
Speaker 1: and be running big plagic longlines and catch sharks and
Speaker 1: then just take the thing of instead of like filling
Speaker 1: your hold up with shark flesh, it isn't valuable. You
Speaker 1: could just fin the sharks and keep the fins for
Speaker 1: the market. The Asian markets just keep fins and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like use valuable holds base and valuable
Speaker 1: ice to chill shark meat that isn't worth as much
Speaker 1: as swordfish meat. So what they could do is just
Speaker 1: cut fins. Would be like legally just taking a backstrap
Speaker 1: off of a deer. Yeah, like I only got I
Speaker 1: got a little small freezer and it's gonna fill a backstrap,
Speaker 1: So I go shoot twenty deer and have just backstrapping there.
Speaker 1: But then what they want up doing in the US waters,
Speaker 1: they came in and said, like of your hall of sharks,
Speaker 1: fins can only be a certain percentage of your total
Speaker 1: hall of shark that you're bringing in and they've made
Speaker 1: it that you basically can't I can't mamber what it was.
Speaker 1: It's some number like it wasn't like let's say it was.
Speaker 1: They made it not uncost effective to do that in
Speaker 1: order to try to slow down the harvest on sharks.
Speaker 1: So with the bycatch thing, with all commercial fishing, it's
Speaker 1: like they will be not all you can never say,
Speaker 1: oh like, it's so like the regulatory structures are just
Speaker 1: like my mind bogglingly complex and there's no generalizations, but
Speaker 1: it will be percentages of take or whatever allowed and
Speaker 1: bycatch if you screw up or just whatever, Like my
Speaker 1: nature conspires against you and you pull up your thing
Speaker 1: and you got like no halibit, but shiploads yellow eyes.
Speaker 1: You can't just be like sweet. But you'll still walk
Speaker 1: into like Anthony's, which is a popular seafood chain in
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest. You'll still walk into Anthony's and see
Speaker 1: rock fish on the menu. It's like you're looking at
Speaker 1: you're looking at you know, bycatch fishery. At least some
Speaker 1: of us getting used. Yeah, but the minute, but it's
Speaker 1: so here's why. So people like that's ridiculous, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be that way. What's the what's the alternative? Okay? All bycatches, Okay,
Speaker 1: because some dudy's like, oh you mean yellow eyes bringing
Speaker 1: whatever a pound, I'm gonna accidentally set up against this
Speaker 1: cliff and make a bunch of money. Well, the same
Speaker 1: argument is made against keeping road kill. I mean I've
Speaker 1: heard people make that same argument. I think that's still
Speaker 1: the argument. But go ahead and explain it. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: it's like, well, now it's legal as of a couple
Speaker 1: of years. You smoke a deer on accident, you can
Speaker 1: you know, call it in in your state. Is now legal.
Speaker 1: And for a while it wasn't legal because people worried
Speaker 1: that you know, guys would get big cow push your
Speaker 1: bumpers and just go out and target road which seems
Speaker 1: a kind of like oh no, yeah, but it's like
Speaker 1: killing yourself. Yeah. But even then, so in that state
Speaker 1: you got, like when I was growing up with road kill,
Speaker 1: like in Michigan, you could retain road kill, but you
Speaker 1: had to secure permit, and they were very liberal with
Speaker 1: the permits. I remember picking up deer with my dad
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and my dad would call
Speaker 1: he just dialed nine on one or call the sheriff's
Speaker 1: office whatever, and they would even be like, I'll bring
Speaker 1: you out a permit tomorrow or got it, We got
Speaker 1: your information, don't sweat it. Take the deer. But thinking
Speaker 1: in like a state, like in some of the western
Speaker 1: states where you have seven eight nine species of big game,
Speaker 1: some of them being very valuable, right, like a looser, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like big horn, like a big horn ram If you
Speaker 1: have a big horn ram head, you know it's worth
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars. So even with the road kill thing,
Speaker 1: the rocal thing only applies to certain creatures, so so
Speaker 1: that people won't target. Yeah, Like you still can't pick
Speaker 1: up a road kill big horn. And I think in
Speaker 1: a lot of states, even with a white tailor or
Speaker 1: a mule deer buck, you can't retain the horns if
Speaker 1: you're taking I think that it's that way in Colorado.
Speaker 1: You can take a road kill buck, but you can't
Speaker 1: take the antlers. Can't retain the ant And I've tried twice.
Speaker 1: I think why there's a hole in the in that
Speaker 1: theory that people a just gonna walk around, you know,
Speaker 1: smoking running over deer. Is that twice? With my buddy
Speaker 1: Jim Miller, he got to I think one was a cow.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the other one was, but rolled
Speaker 1: in there. I think even like d O Tea maybe
Speaker 1: showed up with like like a tractor or something to
Speaker 1: help load it into the back of his car. Like
Speaker 1: I met him after work and we started skinning that thing.
Speaker 1: You know, he'd been gutted and had been hanging and
Speaker 1: we started skinning it, and like we ended up there
Speaker 1: was no meat. It was good for human consumption. It
Speaker 1: was all just purple and beat up bruise and it
Speaker 1: we turned it all into dog food. It was not
Speaker 1: an efficient way to get meat. When you figure auto
Speaker 1: damage now, I one time killed one with the side
Speaker 1: view mirror. Oh nice clean head shot. Headshot the side
Speaker 1: of view mirror. It was one of those side of
Speaker 1: view mirrors out of truck that folds in anyway, the
Speaker 1: old metal ones that had like the tubes tube structure
Speaker 1: leading on to it. That thing coming and hit the
Speaker 1: window so hard, scared the ship out of me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: just like done. Yeah, you know, no meat damage. So
Speaker 1: you were saying with the back to the fisheries stuff,
Speaker 1: if you if it was a bycatch, you would try
Speaker 1: to get it. There was some way that you can
Speaker 1: try to get back down to the depth because they'll
Speaker 1: die yellow Yeah, back to yellow eyes. And this is like,
Speaker 1: this is kind of interesting to tell you, like the
Speaker 1: intricacies of of fisheries management stuff. So like take the
Speaker 1: case of the yellow eye. Now, rock fish a lot
Speaker 1: of your and I don't know about more plagic life
Speaker 1: non plagic rockfish. So rock fisherl just like live in
Speaker 1: a little spot down on the bottom of the ocean,
Speaker 1: and the rocks are in the kelp and they don't
Speaker 1: drift around and move around. I don't want to explain
Speaker 1: plagic versus non plagic is a word for like open
Speaker 1: ocean and they move a lot. Yeah, So you have
Speaker 1: like you have a reef for instance, with sharks, you
Speaker 1: got reef sharks that are residents around. Then you got
Speaker 1: like a shark like a mako, which is regarded as
Speaker 1: a polagic shark, so he drifts around on the open seas,
Speaker 1: up in the water column, not affiliated with the bottom
Speaker 1: of the ocean, like, not like a benthic shark who
Speaker 1: lays down on the bottom. He just out cruised around.
Speaker 1: Other polagic fish should be you're tunas, like yeah, bill fish, tunas,
Speaker 1: plagic fish cruise around on the open ocean um. So
Speaker 1: there are some species of rock fish to regard it
Speaker 1: as plagic rock fish, so they're not. They don't have
Speaker 1: like a lot of fidelity to their little home spot
Speaker 1: on the bottom of the ocean. Yellow eyes are nonplagic.
Speaker 1: Just like he's got like a spot where he's got,
Speaker 1: Like Jenny doesn't move far, has like a place where
Speaker 1: he lives down the bottom of the ocean. He doesn't
Speaker 1: move around in the water column a lot. And for whoever,
Speaker 1: I guess lack of adaptation wherever, Like he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the ability to adjust his swim bladder quickly to account
Speaker 1: for lateral movements in the water or column or no,
Speaker 1: like an account for like a horizontal movement in the
Speaker 1: water column. Pressure changes the same way that humans can't,
Speaker 1: the same way that humans suck at it, Like he
Speaker 1: came down feet down and then do a rapid ascent
Speaker 1: to the surface and make the necessary press the necessary
Speaker 1: adjustments in the pressure. Yeah, I read somewhere when we
Speaker 1: were getting ready or I don't know, maybe, oh it
Speaker 1: isn't that article It was in like an Anchorage newspaper
Speaker 1: and talking about this whole yellow eye rock fitch management
Speaker 1: thing and the guy uh equated it to um. Basically,
Speaker 1: you combing up in the in the water column, you
Speaker 1: would basically vomit your lungs. It's nice, yeah, very nice, Uh,
Speaker 1: but a hell of it can't c Yeah you crank, see,
Speaker 1: but halib it move around all the time. They're up there.
Speaker 1: You know, people don't think about it, but how but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're down, but they're up to caught a hell. We
Speaker 1: caught a hell, but it had a diving duck in
Speaker 1: its Yeah, so they move around and you know, come
Speaker 1: up and go down there they convent right. But when
Speaker 1: you crank a yellow eye and many other species, well
Speaker 1: we're just talking about yellow eyes here. When you crank
Speaker 1: a yellow why up from three of water four ft
Speaker 1: of water, the gases in his blood and the gases
Speaker 1: and his body expand rapidly. So when you pull him up,
Speaker 1: his stomach, his swim bladder, which is the thing they
Speaker 1: used for buoyancy, his swim bladder, the gases there expand,
Speaker 1: and his swim bladder will have expanded so much that
Speaker 1: shoves his stomach out of his mouth. So what you're
Speaker 1: looking at when he comes up is you're not looking
Speaker 1: at his swim body. You're looking at his stomach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like a hot dog sticking out, and his
Speaker 1: eyes are and the gases behind his eyes, so his
Speaker 1: eyes are bugged out. And when you're fighting a yellow eye,
Speaker 1: he's fighting, fighting, fighting, But then you get him a
Speaker 1: hundred feet off the bottom of your eyes, he's not
Speaker 1: fighting anymore. And when they come up, they just float
Speaker 1: like you don't need to gaff them. And you gaff
Speaker 1: them because they're very heavily armed, and you can you know,
Speaker 1: get bad infections from all the fins and spikes on
Speaker 1: him and stuff. But you don't need a gaff from
Speaker 1: to get in the boat. In fact, one time my
Speaker 1: brother was jigging and someone had on a fish in
Speaker 1: deep water and the fish came off halfway up. They
Speaker 1: lose the fish, so like, oh, you know, fish got off,
Speaker 1: come unbuttoned, and a while later he realizes upcoms up
Speaker 1: floats the yellow eye. Yeah, I just kept it got off,
Speaker 1: but it was too late and it floated to the surface.
Speaker 1: So if you by catch that what guys used, Yes,
Speaker 1: let me let me explain. Let me let me because
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of steps to this a thing
Speaker 1: that people used to do is take a needle, and
Speaker 1: you could take a needle and vent the swim bladder,
Speaker 1: and people used to use that as a way to
Speaker 1: release rock fishes. You'd vent the swim bladder and turn
Speaker 1: the fish loose. But because it's there's confusion because the
Speaker 1: stomach is sticking out of his mouth, people were puncturing
Speaker 1: the fish's stomachs thinking they were venting the swim bladder.
Speaker 1: And then I think that's almost like like virtually guaranteed
Speaker 1: death to the fish. Then someone comes up with the
Speaker 1: idea of a deep water release mechanism, which imagine that
Speaker 1: you take a imagine to take a lead headed jig.
Speaker 1: Let's just say just for to visualize this, you take
Speaker 1: a lead headed jig, file away or pinch off the barb,
Speaker 1: and tie a line to the bend in the hook. Okay,
Speaker 1: so tie a line, tie your line mid gate, right
Speaker 1: in the bend of the hook, and you just pricked
Speaker 1: the hook into the fish's mouth. And you gotta let
Speaker 1: a jig tied to your rod, but instead of tying
Speaker 1: it to the eye of the jig, you're tying to
Speaker 1: the bend a hook. Prick the fish in his mouth
Speaker 1: and drop the jig in the water and let that
Speaker 1: lead headed jig carry that fish all the way. Soon
Speaker 1: as you catch, send it right back down on a
Speaker 1: quick release mechanism. Let that leadheaded jig carry all the
Speaker 1: way down to the bottom of the ocean and then
Speaker 1: jerk the rod, do a dirt myth hooks at pull
Speaker 1: the hook back out of the fish. That is like
Speaker 1: a nineties percent recovery rate. That's crazy. And how do
Speaker 1: they even know because it's like once they're down there,
Speaker 1: they put a marker on, put a put a transmitter
Speaker 1: on it, and see if he keeps moving around so
Speaker 1: he'll readjust to that pressure and send him back down
Speaker 1: the same way when a diver has the bends, they
Speaker 1: put him in a compression just but visually looking at
Speaker 1: like a yellow while you pull up. It's like hard
Speaker 1: di visuals heart. Yeah, he'd go back to his little home.
Speaker 1: This is where it gets interesting with with like I said,
Speaker 1: like drawing up fishing regulations. So you got this thing
Speaker 1: where you have like high mortality of a fish and
Speaker 1: catch release isn't really an option. And that's where you
Speaker 1: getting the honor system. Because when you're fit, when you're
Speaker 1: intentionally fishing rockfish. You are not allowed to size grade
Speaker 1: your rock fish. If you're intentionally fishing rock fish and
Speaker 1: you're thinking you're gonna catch a fifteen pound yellow eye
Speaker 1: and you drop that jig down and pull up a
Speaker 1: nine inch quillback rock fish, you've hit your daily bang
Speaker 1: a limit and you have to stop fishing rock fish.
Speaker 1: You cannot be like ship, It's not not what I
Speaker 1: was after. It's like that fish goes in your box
Speaker 1: and you're done intentionally fishing rockfish. So it makes you
Speaker 1: if you're trying to catch a yellow eye, it makes
Speaker 1: you fish way deep where you know there's noe risk
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have some little dank or quill latch
Speaker 1: onto your jig, and then you're shut down because you're
Speaker 1: only allowed one rock fish a day. So then people
Speaker 1: are like, well, who would know, because like if you
Speaker 1: go catch, like if you're out fishing and you're intentionally
Speaker 1: catch yellow eye and you throw them in your boat,
Speaker 1: and then later you're doing whatever fish and halibit perfect
Speaker 1: legally targeting halibit and you pull up a yellow eye, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you need to send them back down on a
Speaker 1: deep release mechanism when they have them like charter vessels
Speaker 1: have to have a deep release mechanism. They haven't made
Speaker 1: it yet that recreational anglers need to have a deep
Speaker 1: release mechanism on board. It's probably coming, but you can
Speaker 1: make one from scratch and seconds. All the time we've
Speaker 1: spent out there, that we rarely would have needed one,
Speaker 1: because it seems like once we limit, man, we just
Speaker 1: get off that kind of fishing and you're going to
Speaker 1: do something else. It can't happen. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you catch. I've seen a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: rocks caught, but I never would go out and like
Speaker 1: jig rocks and then go set up for halibit. I'm
Speaker 1: to go out and set up for halibit, and then
Speaker 1: if we catch the limited halbit or it's not happening
Speaker 1: or you get blown off the water, then be like, well,
Speaker 1: before we go in, let's go jig up a quill back.
Speaker 1: That's cool. You got those very ages, jig up silver
Speaker 1: gray or whatever you know, and catch them on the
Speaker 1: way in. But yeah, I'm pretty careful to not be
Speaker 1: in a situation from out there having to like trying
Speaker 1: to like resuscitate and release. But your fisheries bilogist buddy
Speaker 1: Dan thinks that the one to day thing is over
Speaker 1: the top, too restrictive. Yeah that's what he well, yeah
Speaker 1: he thinks that because he's like that just seems to
Speaker 1: be in his mind. Thousands a lot of yellow eyes,
Speaker 1: and it just depends. It depends on the day because
Speaker 1: it's like we didn't Some days you go and it's
Speaker 1: just game on. Yeah, we couldn't find them during Sometimes
Speaker 1: you go look for you can't find it. But we
Speaker 1: couldn't find any fish that day. It was the solar eclipse.
Speaker 1: Super tied. I got that big quill back, silver quel back,
Speaker 1: the clips yea, cool backs are abundant. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and we all did. We all got let's just say
Speaker 1: a bund them. But they're not hurting like yellow eyes.
Speaker 1: The reason yellow eyes are hurting is there's such like
Speaker 1: they're so old and loaf of coundity. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: they're they're so like it's such a slow metabolism fish.
Speaker 1: You can't bleed them when you cut their gills. Their
Speaker 1: heart isn't pounding enough to push their own damn blood out.
Speaker 1: You cut the yellow eyes gills and nothing comes out
Speaker 1: of that thing. Just chilling. Yeah, but you do want
Speaker 1: to bleed salmon. Yes, commercial guys bleed them. We were
Speaker 1: bleeding them. Yeah. And when you don't bled them, you
Speaker 1: can you can tell when you go to flame all
Speaker 1: that blood stacked up in the tail. Yeah, I believe
Speaker 1: I like to bleed them. And you think ripping their
Speaker 1: gills is plenty. You don't need to like cut the
Speaker 1: throat there. Yeah, I mean I think it's just tearing
Speaker 1: to gill. Is tearing to gil. But it's like I
Speaker 1: don't put my thumbin air and ripped. It's like a
Speaker 1: brasive I cut him. Yeah, but there's like a handful
Speaker 1: of fish that there's a handful of fish. I think
Speaker 1: it's like generally accepted it's a good idea to bleed him,
Speaker 1: And there's something that just I don't think it's really necessary.
Speaker 1: I like I never grew up, like we don't bleed walwyes, right,
Speaker 1: like the white flesh fish. It doesn't seem like you
Speaker 1: needed h yeah, part of the thinking and bleed him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like I don't know, maybe like a
Speaker 1: lot of it just maybe a lot of it's nonsensical.
Speaker 1: It's just like practices that you've developed that aren't like
Speaker 1: based on fact but like, you know, I never like
Speaker 1: bleed yellow perch, but I don't clean yellow perch and
Speaker 1: realize that the flesh is real bloody. Right. What were
Speaker 1: you guys talking about electrocuting fresh catching? E K G Man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes what what do you laugh about the dirt
Speaker 1: thinks it's electrocuting. Yeah, I don't know that. It didn't
Speaker 1: actually think that it's electrocuting him, But he heard E
Speaker 1: K G. Main And now that it's coming back around,
Speaker 1: he's like, so you guys were talking about I think
Speaker 1: I know what's tripping dirt up. First. What's tripping dirt up?
Speaker 1: Is this? So he can explain the knie. Have you
Speaker 1: ever witnessed it? I haven't, but I've looked at it,
Speaker 1: look at a couple of you know, online blogs and
Speaker 1: processed photos as we like to calm, but series of
Speaker 1: photos that show how it's done. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: I think they they still do bled the fish when
Speaker 1: I've witnessed it by people who are believers, they bled
Speaker 1: the fish before or after as soon as they catch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then then UK electric cut the tail. I don't
Speaker 1: think they cut it all the way, but I guess
Speaker 1: I believe it. It's connected by a flap of skin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know really what that would Maybe it
Speaker 1: gives you something to hold on to create an insertion point,
Speaker 1: like why not just cut it off? It gives you
Speaker 1: a handle. It gives you a handle. But then they
Speaker 1: basically take a stiff wire that you could look like
Speaker 1: stainless safety wire. Yeah, but it's it's stiff like it's
Speaker 1: got some backbone too, because you're basically gonna ram it
Speaker 1: and run it up the fish's spinal column. Is it
Speaker 1: single strand wire? Like single strand? Like for instance, I
Speaker 1: could picture on a salmon you could eat, you would
Speaker 1: e k G man with a coat hangar, right coat hanger,
Speaker 1: straighten out coat hanger. That's a that's it would be
Speaker 1: a good diameter for salmon. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: the e k G may salmon. I saw them like
Speaker 1: Helen showing her boyfriend. We're e k G man. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can use that as a verb.
Speaker 1: They were e k G man. Uh black sea bass.
Speaker 1: I think fluke, which is a flat fish. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: because basically the lailoff, so now you're like looking up
Speaker 1: through the fish, you know, like from his tail up
Speaker 1: through towards his head, and so that cut now gives
Speaker 1: you a portal into his spine. You just run that
Speaker 1: wire up his spine all the way to its brain,
Speaker 1: basically through the spinal cord. Dude, it destroys that fish.
Speaker 1: Looks like they're getting electrocute. They just melt. There's no
Speaker 1: rigor you like throw a fish in like this is
Speaker 1: my my, my, my saltwater. When my saltwater mentors Ryan Layton,
Speaker 1: like when you had a sam you caught a salmon,
Speaker 1: gutted it, gilded right, and then put him on ice.
Speaker 1: He'd curl and rigged rigger. He was like, don't take
Speaker 1: that fish and flatten that thing back out because you're
Speaker 1: tearing myself. Wait until it relaxes. Then, laid fish don't
Speaker 1: like when it curls up and rigger, don't go and
Speaker 1: bend it back because you're just ripping up the muscle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's still a lot to be learned in general about meatcare.
Speaker 1: That's why when Ryan Layton goes to the goes the
Speaker 1: Pike's Place market and see them throwing fish around, it
Speaker 1: just makes them uncomfortable. Yeah, He's like, that's the what
Speaker 1: not good handle it just feels like it's like, why
Speaker 1: would you like do that to the fishes, mishandling and
Speaker 1: firing it around, catching it. There's an entertain that factor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he just thinks it's like abusive of the of
Speaker 1: the abusive of the fish, disrespectful to the fish. So
Speaker 1: now I think I think we talked with the support.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it again. I was in South America
Speaker 1: with on a river with amor Indians and they caught
Speaker 1: a turtle, big turtle they're not supposed to mess with.
Speaker 1: And uh was this Bolivia or Guyana years ago? Okay,
Speaker 1: the first trip and they e k G made that
Speaker 1: turtle with It wasn't willow, but imagine the willow switch
Speaker 1: debarked and sharpened and the e k G made the
Speaker 1: turtle rapp his backbone and doing it was amazing because
Speaker 1: we when we would catch turtles like a snapper, we
Speaker 1: would chop its head and then you have to hang
Speaker 1: it up for a few hours before you could clean it.
Speaker 1: Does it still be? It just suck its arms in
Speaker 1: and if you pull the arm out and pull it back,
Speaker 1: you could get like cut and scratch from a dead turtles. Turtle,
Speaker 1: But they e k G made that turtle, and that
Speaker 1: turtle was ready to eat no rigor. The reason you're
Speaker 1: tripping it up with electrocution is they get a similar
Speaker 1: effect in livestock slaughter facilities by using electricity. So if
Speaker 1: you've ever gone into watching slaughter cattle and the slaughter facility,
Speaker 1: they hit it with a captive bolt gun or hit
Speaker 1: it with the twenties mag right, kill it. It drops
Speaker 1: to the floor. They put a chain on its rear angle,
Speaker 1: jack it up into the air, cut its juggler, and
Speaker 1: then zapp with electricity and effect. Once you useapp with electricity,
Speaker 1: it's safe to handle. It isn't kick in, it's carcass,
Speaker 1: isn't twitching, and it's just that carcass just melts. And
Speaker 1: then everybody can come in and like piranhas with knives
Speaker 1: and dissemble that thing in the next three or four minutes.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for a segway, Steve, You got a
Speaker 1: good one, I think, so hit me. People may start
Speaker 1: e k G MN deer by trying to shoot him
Speaker 1: right up the spine from the backside, speaking of which,
Speaker 1: oh you want me to? So I didn't want to
Speaker 1: get to this. I'm gonna yeah, that's biggest segment. I
Speaker 1: like that they're not gonna start doing that. But we
Speaker 1: did talk to you guy recently who who go who
Speaker 1: who goes for a similar e k G may effect
Speaker 1: by hitting his animals at the base of the skull. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like that at all, But I don't I
Speaker 1: head shoot. I've we've all made our we've all made
Speaker 1: our point about not like a head shoot or the
Speaker 1: problems the negatives out, the cons outweighing the pros on
Speaker 1: head shoot. But the other day Yanni is talking to
Speaker 1: We're going up we have some Me and Remy Warren,
Speaker 1: who's one of my hunting heroes. We drew fog Nack
Speaker 1: Island Elk Heggs, and we're going up Uh to hunt
Speaker 1: a fog knack for Roosevelt elk and Um. We got
Speaker 1: to talk about rifles, caliber selection, and Remy had said
Speaker 1: something like being incredulous of the thirty oh six for
Speaker 1: a fog knack Elk because these these bulls are for there,
Speaker 1: huge funds, like a moose almost big freaking bulls pound bulls.
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh man, the three wind meg is
Speaker 1: the way to go minimum. I wouldn't take no thirty
Speaker 1: ot six for this that's too slow and Remy, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I wish you were here, but I'm just I think
Speaker 1: I got it right right. Yeah, and Yanni was pulling
Speaker 1: enough gun. Yeah, and Yanni was pointing out. But the
Speaker 1: only is what explained you're thinking on this? Well, again,
Speaker 1: it depends on you know what grain bullet weight and uh,
Speaker 1: you know how many grains of powder you have behind
Speaker 1: that bullet. But uh, for this example, you can basically
Speaker 1: have the exact not basically you would have the you
Speaker 1: could have the exact same bullet. Let's just say like
Speaker 1: you're throwing a hundred sixty five, all of those can
Speaker 1: be shot out of both thirty six three wind mag
Speaker 1: three hundred short mag Uh you know any of the
Speaker 1: other three hundred, three hundred weather be This is Yanni
Speaker 1: Van's walls. This is like Yannie the gun writers. You know,
Speaker 1: if you let's just say it was the one sixty
Speaker 1: five because that's what you're shooting out of your three
Speaker 1: D wind mag um, I'm gonna guess that it's you know,
Speaker 1: thirty one hundred feet per second out of the mozzle
Speaker 1: and at the third six pushing that same bullet at
Speaker 1: to three thousand feet per second, you know, on average, again,
Speaker 1: depending on if you loaded it hot or depending on
Speaker 1: you know, the you could buy a factory AMMO that
Speaker 1: could that could be pushing the same bullet faster or
Speaker 1: a little bit slower, but somewhere in the realm of
Speaker 1: fifty feet faster or slower. And so the difference between
Speaker 1: the odds six and the three inner wind MAAG is
Speaker 1: probably just a couple hundred feet a second, which someone
Speaker 1: could probably sit there and lay down some real numbers
Speaker 1: and start talking about kinetic energy and impact energy all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, and and it might end up
Speaker 1: being a great, big difference, but you're saying it's probably
Speaker 1: not significant. I'm a believer that it's more important to
Speaker 1: have a rifle that you can handle and shoot accurately
Speaker 1: and not be scared of because it kicks too much.
Speaker 1: Put that bullet in the right spot. Why do you
Speaker 1: think people care? Because I want to get to the
Speaker 1: main point. Why do you think like people make such
Speaker 1: big differences that are like, oh, thirty six and it
Speaker 1: can't all be the same thing. Well, it's not, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's they're moving fast. That bullet is moving faster.
Speaker 1: That is the only difference the bullet is moving faster.
Speaker 1: There is no difference in the bullet itself. The bullet
Speaker 1: is simply moving faster. So okay, So if I'm throwing,
Speaker 1: if I'm throwing a hundred sixty five grain out of
Speaker 1: my three mag it's going at three thousand and fifty
Speaker 1: three thousand and fifty ft per second. That's what you
Speaker 1: just found on the internet. No, I pulled up my
Speaker 1: my ballistics calculator. H Yeah, and I have chronographed my
Speaker 1: six that hand load for when I'm shooting a hundred
Speaker 1: sixty eight grain barns Is and they're shooting, it's shooting
Speaker 1: those things that um like, okay, not a lot of
Speaker 1: difference at three hundred yards, and Elk isn't gonna know
Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, so this is like a prelude. So
Speaker 1: I got like a number of haunts. I'm anticipating this fall,
Speaker 1: and I have like a whole fleet of firearms, and
Speaker 1: I just like now and then get sick of having
Speaker 1: the whole fleet of firearms. So I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm to go down and I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: like I'm no matter what I'm doing this year, dear Elk, whatever,
Speaker 1: everything from sickle black tails which are like hundred pounds
Speaker 1: up to four hundred pounds moose. I'm just using my
Speaker 1: three not messing around all kinds of different guns and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, I'm gonna load up with a hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty five grain Federal trophy bonded bullets, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like, just just that's it done dinking around all fall.
Speaker 1: So go marching up the hill, and um, you know, Brody,
Speaker 1: we just like Brody had done a thing written an
Speaker 1: article not long ago talked about different people's choice, like
Speaker 1: if they only had to hunt with one gun, and
Speaker 1: what if most people it was split down the middle.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Joannest and I are the thirty sixth
Speaker 1: side of things, and you and cow were the three
Speaker 1: hundred side of things. And I think, you know, you're
Speaker 1: not making a mistake choosing the three hundred. It's just
Speaker 1: in some cases it might be a little much, you know,
Speaker 1: But that's things. So my whole like one gun deal
Speaker 1: right now, we go marching up and we uh post
Speaker 1: up on a glass and tip and we find that
Speaker 1: that night, you know, we got mauled by flies, bad
Speaker 1: maul So where my hands are still like not comfortable,
Speaker 1: got mauled by flies and glassed up a few doughs,
Speaker 1: a handful of dolls, one of which may have been
Speaker 1: a little spiker, and then Dirt got his big spot,
Speaker 1: kept the ball rolling, slept in our tents, woke up
Speaker 1: all fogging, and you said that night. Aren't out at night,
Speaker 1: and Yanni didn't believe me. Sure enough, the next morning,
Speaker 1: I have found in hunting the alpine, and like hunting
Speaker 1: the alpine for sick of black tails, the evening is
Speaker 1: not and it should not be considered an indicator of
Speaker 1: whether you're in a good zone or not. I don't
Speaker 1: know why. I see a lot more dear, and in
Speaker 1: fact we saw five or six at night. And now
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know what, I know, we're looking at
Speaker 1: a bunch of dolls, and there's a lot more dear around.
Speaker 1: I find you they're just popping. The morning and it
Speaker 1: was a different story, like some little negative nancy thing,
Speaker 1: he said. And I remember I got up and it
Speaker 1: wasn't quite dark yet, and I gathered up my loot
Speaker 1: and I was like, see boys in the morning, and
Speaker 1: it was a cool but good you quit, you go
Speaker 1: to the bed so I crawled my tent and sleep
Speaker 1: and then wake up, wake up at daybreak, it's all
Speaker 1: foggy and rainy. I had a cup of coffee, go
Speaker 1: over to the glass and tip and just start just
Speaker 1: pounding deer, buck after buck after buck after all. Hard
Speaker 1: to find a dough the next morning, breaking deer everywhere.
Speaker 1: So me and were already split off, and I got
Speaker 1: I'm a one rifle man. That brings up another funny thing.
Speaker 1: We actually talked about that that morning because I remember
Speaker 1: there was a guy we had on the show one
Speaker 1: time who said, like he's got like, oh shotgun. He's like,
Speaker 1: beware of the man with one. Right. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: the guys I'm scared of the guys that got a
Speaker 1: ship load of guns that can shoot them all. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like the guys I know that shoot the best
Speaker 1: when I stay scared of, I mean, like the guys
Speaker 1: I know that are the best shots tend to have
Speaker 1: like a whole bunch of guns. Like you know, I
Speaker 1: like to shoot, like regarding myself a fairly good shot,
Speaker 1: and I got quite a collection. So um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's just like a thing people like to think.
Speaker 1: But so yeah, neither is true. Whether you have one
Speaker 1: gun or a hundred guns, neither makes you a good
Speaker 1: marksman or or a good shot or you know, a
Speaker 1: good hunter. It all depends on how much you're shooting
Speaker 1: and practicing with the one gun or the hundred guns.
Speaker 1: Fenty of dudes with a hundred guns that those things
Speaker 1: just sitting saves safe. But it's like one of those
Speaker 1: like simple man mantras, y see where are the man
Speaker 1: with one guns? Nice? So yeah, me and bre already
Speaker 1: split off and we get up and we're three yards
Speaker 1: from a buck when glassed him at like six hundred
Speaker 1: and then you know, I moved in. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: over there and I hit the deer in the rib cage,
Speaker 1: a couple of ribs up from the back down. I'm
Speaker 1: laying down prone. He's quartering away very slightly. There's a
Speaker 1: little bit of obstruction over his shoulder from some brush,
Speaker 1: so I shied away from that a little teensy bit. Mhm, No,
Speaker 1: it's more like, right, I remember my gun jumped up,
Speaker 1: my my big heavy hitter, right thing like talk about
Speaker 1: hooks at that thing. Remember the gun had like come
Speaker 1: back down and I was trying to see through the
Speaker 1: scope what had happened when I founally heard the right
Speaker 1: so new We hit him, yeah in the ribs. All
Speaker 1: thrips go there, and ah, he's still run off a
Speaker 1: little way. Not much blood, yeah he went no blood
Speaker 1: run off twenty yards and no, like real small entry
Speaker 1: hole through the ribs, small small and shouldered ribs, small eggs,
Speaker 1: the whole size of piece behind the show opposite should
Speaker 1: Everything looks cool, Everyone looks cool. We dragged the deer
Speaker 1: up to try to get out of the wind a
Speaker 1: little bit, and as we're dragging it, I'm starting to
Speaker 1: smell that there's like, ah gut shot type situation going
Speaker 1: on even though we're up in the ribs dragging around,
Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna like pull out the cutler
Speaker 1: and start working magic on the deer and get to
Speaker 1: working on it. And it's just like way like a
Speaker 1: lot out of damage, man, And I think I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say, upawn his autopsy the right word. We yeah,
Speaker 1: we did like a little bit of sexual a little
Speaker 1: you know. We we know we can say exactly the
Speaker 1: path of the bullet, you know, like in the placement,
Speaker 1: and it was it was ahead of the diaphragm, like
Speaker 1: you said two or three ribs and angled is such
Speaker 1: that it it still came out behind the opposing shoulder.
Speaker 1: It did not hit intestine or no, no, but it
Speaker 1: also did It wasn't angled so much either that you know,
Speaker 1: you like would have gone hit the opposing shoulder right
Speaker 1: like it exited behind the shoulder, so it gives you
Speaker 1: just a sense of where it was. So the path
Speaker 1: was like farther back in the whole vital area, but
Speaker 1: still ahead of the diaphragm. Both lungs had a hole
Speaker 1: through it. It was like excellent shot placement, is my point.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't feel like you were back. But
Speaker 1: that thing hit. That thing hits so hard and fast
Speaker 1: and big. Did it like yeah, burst the stomach? Maybe
Speaker 1: a rib bone went back in there or busted that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because when that thing went in, even though you're on
Speaker 1: the skin, you have one small thirty cowhole. It bosted
Speaker 1: three ribs, but it could have just been that you
Speaker 1: tell me, honest, is the whole hydro static shock thing
Speaker 1: like is that a real thing? It's real? So that
Speaker 1: shock wave may have burst the gut too. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: Not only did it burst the stomach, but I mean
Speaker 1: do you have a diaphragm that completely you know, separates
Speaker 1: the two. Right, Yeah, so burst that he said it
Speaker 1: didn't even its like wandering like ran off well, just
Speaker 1: kind of plunge down. It wasn't like a Yeah, like
Speaker 1: if you if you're if you're hunting, you hit a
Speaker 1: and you hit an animal. It's not always true. This
Speaker 1: is not always true at all, but in general terms,
Speaker 1: if you hit something in it like really quickly starts
Speaker 1: favoring like a downhill get away, you probably got a
Speaker 1: good hit up. Not always, not at all always, but
Speaker 1: if it's kind of towards you in a downhill direction, especially,
Speaker 1: it's like he probably got a good hit. And he
Speaker 1: was when he ran, he was on wobbly legs, like,
Speaker 1: good about it. And then there's another indicator about that
Speaker 1: happened here that tells you about your shot is there's
Speaker 1: two other bucks with them, and so a buckets hit
Speaker 1: and runs because he got hit right, just runs the
Speaker 1: way as it tips over, you can't see, you don't
Speaker 1: know what happened if he has disappears from your view.
Speaker 1: But when those other bucks hang out, you know, looking
Speaker 1: down trying to figure out what happened. He didn't leave right.
Speaker 1: So these artwo bucks were very slow to get out.
Speaker 1: So it's like, had that one buck really been missed
Speaker 1: and ran off, He's not gonna stop run. He's gonna
Speaker 1: keep going probably, and everybody's gonna travel with him. But
Speaker 1: when they're like hanging out trying to figure out what happened,
Speaker 1: he's down. No, he never felt a thing. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I think he was alive like a second at most.
Speaker 1: But when we open it up, so even though the
Speaker 1: shots through the ribs and in front of the diaphragm,
Speaker 1: everything up in there is just like stomach contents. And
Speaker 1: when I'm butchering, we use those uh those It's called
Speaker 1: a bench made steep country and it's got like a
Speaker 1: big boat, not a big it's a short blade, but
Speaker 1: like that big boat belly on it, big drop point,
Speaker 1: big drop point blade, and you like take that thing
Speaker 1: and usually if you get like if you hit something
Speaker 1: through the ribs, oftentimes especially on the exit side, you
Speaker 1: have like a lot of blood clotted stuff. Then you
Speaker 1: just take that thing and just clean down the ribs
Speaker 1: like match, You're just like scraping the ribs down, You're
Speaker 1: just like flaming it all the way. You just flate
Speaker 1: it all away and you just pitch it. But doing that,
Speaker 1: it's just like a mess. So now, but there was
Speaker 1: a sting of contents on both sides of the animal
Speaker 1: between the ribs and the hide and there like that's
Speaker 1: how much energy is going through that. There was grass
Speaker 1: like up in the shoulders, like just going You found
Speaker 1: some in the neck zone, like undigested stuff he had
Speaker 1: been eaten that morning. Yeah. Up, they had come out
Speaker 1: passed up between the skin and the muscle and jammed
Speaker 1: up in the neck area. Yeah, I'm not a one
Speaker 1: gun man anymore. Well, yeah, here's I mean, I'm Devil's
Speaker 1: advocate a little bit, because some guys are gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: so are you saying that you're animals too dead? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The gun did its job. It just did it a
Speaker 1: little too. Well. You're after two things. I'm after a
Speaker 1: sweet spot. If you imagine like two intersecting lines. Okay,
Speaker 1: one line is humane death and one line is meat
Speaker 1: damn much. Now, I could have gotten a really humane
Speaker 1: death with a hand garnaide or like RPG or shooting
Speaker 1: him in the shoulder chevy. Yeah, but sure, humane death,
Speaker 1: but the meat damage line it's too high. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: you're striving for um, like for instance, with archery. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: with archery, it's like a way, it's a different trade off,
Speaker 1: very very minimal minimal meat damage. The quickness of the
Speaker 1: death is not as abrupt. So with archery you have
Speaker 1: a different sort of trade off. Right, You're like, meat
Speaker 1: damage is this minimal? Even if you punched through the shoulder,
Speaker 1: Like had I hit that deer in the shoulder, there
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been either shoulder, it wouldn't have moved and
Speaker 1: you'd have had no shoulder meat. Whatso it this is
Speaker 1: way we had to trim out some bad shoulder meat
Speaker 1: on the exit side. So like with archery, like meat
Speaker 1: damage is next to nothing, virtually nothing, but quickness of
Speaker 1: death is slower. It's just like and then if people
Speaker 1: can bed, it's like okay, you know, screw you, it's
Speaker 1: just shorter. It's it doesn't happen as quickly. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not. It's like I love it, right, bow hunt
Speaker 1: is great, Um, I think people should do more of it. Ah,
Speaker 1: and I have and I remember the hitting the bull
Speaker 1: elkow the bow and watching it take two steps ball
Speaker 1: over dead like it does happen by saying like generally
Speaker 1: those lines get moved low meat damage lower, you know,
Speaker 1: humane kill factor. So yeah, you could it was too dead.
Speaker 1: I got something you should try, I think before you
Speaker 1: decide to not be at one gun from one gun man.
Speaker 1: Here's thing. It's like the part of being a one
Speaker 1: gun man's being a one bullet man. Yeah, okay, please, Well,
Speaker 1: big reason people shoot like a lighter bullet, like five
Speaker 1: out of a tuner win maggots because it's flat, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean this is a rabbit hole you can
Speaker 1: really get squirrely with. But that lighter bullet is blown
Speaker 1: around by wind more so shooting winnie conditions, you're shooting
Speaker 1: like a two dan like he likes to throw those
Speaker 1: big two hundred higher ballistic coefficient, so doesn't get blown
Speaker 1: off a little bit more. And once you really get
Speaker 1: out to range, just the air friction itself slows down
Speaker 1: the one sixty five faster than the two hundreds. So
Speaker 1: at some point out there, like six hundred plus yards
Speaker 1: that the two d grainar actually might surpass the But
Speaker 1: that's like ranges that we don't really shoot game app
Speaker 1: at least you and I don't. But something to think
Speaker 1: about is if you went up to two you were
Speaker 1: to be shooting a bigger bullet at a slower speed.
Speaker 1: I just feel like if you went and hit a
Speaker 1: one pound antelope, cou's deer, black tailed deer, yearling, whitetail,
Speaker 1: I just feel like hitting it with that guns going
Speaker 1: two grains. I don't know, I think you might see less.
Speaker 1: I think you would see less, Yeah, because I think
Speaker 1: it's the speed maybe and maybe the fracturing of the
Speaker 1: front end of that bullet, which is supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: You know, with that bullet that you're shooting, that's maybe
Speaker 1: causing more of that damage that you don't like. And
Speaker 1: if you had a bigger bullet that maybe uh stayed
Speaker 1: together moving a little bit slower, you wouldn't have as
Speaker 1: much of that shock. Yeah, Like, I mean, I shoot
Speaker 1: animals with a fifty grain muzzleloader bullet, and you know
Speaker 1: it's not blowing them into bits. Yeah yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: thinking about shooting deer back home with twelve gage slugs. Right,
Speaker 1: I never killed a deer to slug. It's right, you were.
Speaker 1: I lived north of the shotguns zone, so we're Steve.
Speaker 1: When I grew up somewhere, I don't know, do you
Speaker 1: know what de mark case, I could draw it on
Speaker 1: a map. But yeah, but anyways, in the southern part
Speaker 1: of Michigan, I think it's still that way. Now you
Speaker 1: can only use uh shotguns for the southern third of
Speaker 1: the state, and um, yeah, they just poke a nice
Speaker 1: big hole. Yeah, you got a deer with a buck
Speaker 1: with a chotgun last shotgun and I had no I
Speaker 1: had no meat. I shot him close range, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's still probably holl And buggy, But I think
Speaker 1: it's only coming out of the muzzle at like eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred to two thousand feet a second, So a thousand
Speaker 1: feet a second slower that same slug was doing three thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably a different end result a lot more meat damage,
Speaker 1: but I had none. When you do gys talk about
Speaker 1: hydrostatic shot, we're tom I was the hit so fast
Speaker 1: that you have like the projectile passing through it. But
Speaker 1: then there's also the issue of like displaced material, like
Speaker 1: displaced liquids that are then pushed out of the way
Speaker 1: at such a fast speed that they become projectile like
Speaker 1: or caused like this wave of shock. And that's why
Speaker 1: when you hit something it just goes down like all
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you hit something, it's just like down on
Speaker 1: the ground the shock of it. Because a slower velocities,
Speaker 1: you could hit something where it doesn't even register the
Speaker 1: hit and also in a couple of seconds later tips
Speaker 1: over from blood loss, but the actual shock of the
Speaker 1: hit doesn't do anything. Um yeah, man, I think I'm
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I hear what you're saying, but
Speaker 1: I think like I think that I I made like
Speaker 1: a brief foray into being a one gun man, and
Speaker 1: I'm foraying back out honna get me Like I'm going back.
Speaker 1: I'll have a little lightweight Deally and my little lightweight
Speaker 1: Deally is gonna be deer and antelope whatnot. And then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my big ball buster for Elchi mouse
Speaker 1: alchim mouse. Yeah. So is uh is damage? The meat
Speaker 1: damage like makes me sick? Yeah? Another thing you could try.
Speaker 1: We gotta wrap it up here, but you could, like
Speaker 1: you could try those trophy coppers. I've had really good
Speaker 1: luck with that copper bullet because it holds together and
Speaker 1: I've actually shot him on the point of the shoulder.
Speaker 1: Bull Elk. What was that shooting? When I shot that
Speaker 1: bull Elk? I can't remember now. I think it was
Speaker 1: my three short mag I was shooting a hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty grainer and it was like a two hundred yard
Speaker 1: shot not too far away, pointed his shoulder and just
Speaker 1: dropped him, just lights out, over and done, never kicked
Speaker 1: and h It had gone through both scapulus. You know
Speaker 1: it was high and you know, so there was But
Speaker 1: the point is maybe a two inch diameter made two
Speaker 1: to three inch diameter meat damage around the you know,
Speaker 1: the entry and the exit as it went through those
Speaker 1: capulus because that bullet is not exploding when it's hitting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had good luck with him last year. Those trophy
Speaker 1: coppers worked well for me, even shooting uh, lung shots
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys will say, oh, you're saying
Speaker 1: you like those trophy coppers. Yeah, And I was leary
Speaker 1: of them for lung shots because they're just you know,
Speaker 1: you hear the whole, like making a little hole through
Speaker 1: the lungs takes them a long time to bleed out.
Speaker 1: But that I did the double lung shot on the
Speaker 1: mule deer and an elk last year and they went
Speaker 1: Those animals went thirty forty yards and died. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: just had a lot of really good luck over the years,
Speaker 1: like using what I use, but yeah, including thoughts. Yeah, man, um,
Speaker 1: I wanted to like jump in. I think one time
Speaker 1: when we were mooching. Next time we mooch, when you
Speaker 1: jump in with the scuba tank and go down there
Speaker 1: and just see how wild it really is. I think
Speaker 1: you could have stuck a GoPro down there that one day,
Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, I'm thinking about going. I'm not sure yet.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this winter down in Seattle doing my
Speaker 1: diver certification. Man, but this is also just seems like
Speaker 1: a lot of I might but also seems like gear heavy,
Speaker 1: just a whole other damn you know, like a whole
Speaker 1: other thing. I would be pretty up in Southeast Alaska's
Speaker 1: like there's so much stuff to do and you want
Speaker 1: to It's like you gotta like focus, you know, just
Speaker 1: see like a whole other realm, just that much more
Speaker 1: ship laying around, not a whole another pile of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Another shock for your scoobern get like tanks. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of dying to do it though, man. And
Speaker 1: I would dive down there too, you know, I would
Speaker 1: dive down there. That's it, Just that you want this film, uh,
Speaker 1: that's your complexion. No, just to see what's going on,
Speaker 1: because I think like we we everybody want take a
Speaker 1: what is this interaction and what the take looks like
Speaker 1: between the silvers and the herring, Like what's going on
Speaker 1: down there? And someone's probably already done it. Someone probably
Speaker 1: knows exactly what it looks like. Yeah, why aren't there
Speaker 1: nature movies? There's a million nature movies of pelagic warmwater
Speaker 1: pelagics pounding baitballs. There has to be nature movies. Maybe someone,
Speaker 1: if they know about this, can send us a note
Speaker 1: at the mediator dot com. But there has to be
Speaker 1: videos of Sam and working bayball. You know those the
Speaker 1: cameras at the ice fisherman send down. Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: if you could hang one of those off a boat,
Speaker 1: let's see what's going on down there. Yeah, but not
Speaker 1: like some souped up underwater photographers get Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to see a souped up underwater photographer film of salmon
Speaker 1: working bait. I'm sure I can see, like what the
Speaker 1: interactions like, do they just come through, do they hurt?
Speaker 1: Are they corral? And um? Yeah, dirt too, they're quick though.
Speaker 1: One just speak on that. People made me think of
Speaker 1: it as a variety of activities you mentioned the bare
Speaker 1: uh interactions we had this trip were phenomenal thirty yards away,
Speaker 1: like get hoofed at em barked out, having a stare
Speaker 1: down with with the rang one with a better foe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was something that won't leave me.
Speaker 1: The second one as I'm camping in my truck and
Speaker 1: I need a place to live. So if anybody in
Speaker 1: Bozeman knows of the rental or a caretaking ranch out
Speaker 1: of explain us. Now that's right. So Dirt, I mean,
Speaker 1: my gal, I want to help you out in this
Speaker 1: Dirt lives uh um those out of his truck. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When Dirt opens the door of his truck, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know that that little area like in your
Speaker 1: truck door where you keep like maps or a coffee
Speaker 1: cup like, and there's that little lower compartment that's Dirt's
Speaker 1: medicine cabinet. So he opens up his truck door, it's
Speaker 1: like shampoo and deoder and stuff all lined up in
Speaker 1: that little tooth phased toothbrush all lined up. Now, how
Speaker 1: long was your stint like as a real a resident
Speaker 1: of an actual dom style The longest it is probably
Speaker 1: about a year and a half because you lived with
Speaker 1: your girl until when June and up in a place
Speaker 1: with a roof. Yeah, and then we're both and she's
Speaker 1: she's a great Well, we'll be good tenants or caretakers.
Speaker 1: So you're looking for a caretaking gig and you don't
Speaker 1: want to pay any rent. Yeah, I mean, now, listen,
Speaker 1: I will come in and say this or or or
Speaker 1: we would rent, but we just need a place in Bozeman.
Speaker 1: If anyone's got something, yeah, and I will come in.
Speaker 1: And I don't do this very often. I will vouch
Speaker 1: up and down for Dirt as being if I was
Speaker 1: going to have my place caretake, I would have to
Speaker 1: be caretaked by Dirt. Thank you, Steve, Because I'm telling
Speaker 1: you what. We're trying to change the gear oil and
Speaker 1: one of the outboards and cook at that that uh,
Speaker 1: Dirt's of yeah, handy, handy, handy. So I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: you want to be saddled though with that responsibility. Well
Speaker 1: it's nice, but man, physicians are full time, okay, But
Speaker 1: Dirt has a job. Yeah, but Dirt just travels a
Speaker 1: little bit. But he's got his girl around to help out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and rental too. Were we just we're having a
Speaker 1: tough time finding a place out of town in the
Speaker 1: Bozeman area. So I figured you got, like, ideally, there's
Speaker 1: some joker out some wonderful person out there who's got
Speaker 1: a place that they're like kind of in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but not really in there that much. They would love
Speaker 1: to have someone there that was trustworthy, keep it up.
Speaker 1: You know Dirt's parents, Well, like I can vous for
Speaker 1: this guy up and down and screwed. His old man
Speaker 1: would come out and make it right. His old man
Speaker 1: would come make it right in a hurry. Not that
Speaker 1: Dirt would have screwed Garrett House at our place while
Speaker 1: we were at a great job. Yeah, while we were
Speaker 1: on vacation home. And but the deer, he did let
Speaker 1: the deer get the garden. But that was not that
Speaker 1: was that was a fence problem. He just happened to
Speaker 1: be there when it happened. So sounds of bitious. So
Speaker 1: you got, like, this place right, and you're only there
Speaker 1: now and then, and you just want everything to be tight,
Speaker 1: and when you show up, you want Dirt to be gone.
Speaker 1: He can be, he'll he won't even be, he won't
Speaker 1: even Yeah, you want to be the smelling, and his
Speaker 1: toothbrush will not his toothbrush would be in his truck door,
Speaker 1: not in your house. And to show up and everything's
Speaker 1: tight and right and you're ready to enjoy yourself. Um,
Speaker 1: so that was two things. You like running bears and
Speaker 1: having a wolf at you and clack your teeth out
Speaker 1: you and ship and then you liked you're looking for
Speaker 1: the place lift. Yeah, the winners upon us. The fall
Speaker 1: is brody. How came you never plug our fishing clients?
Speaker 1: Because I got all the clients that want really Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for seventeen years. I don't need
Speaker 1: to I don't want one more. Yeah, if you want
Speaker 1: to look at it, look me up, go for it.
Speaker 1: But how they find if they want to book you
Speaker 1: for Colorado fly Fishing, fly Fishing Outfitters Avon Colorado orvis
Speaker 1: But I only got like, no'll find Brodi Henderson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I only got like six or eight weeks a
Speaker 1: year anymore. You know, I used to do two trips
Speaker 1: a year. That's just not fun anymore. I'm getting old. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like to fish when it's like eighty degrees and
Speaker 1: sunny and there's a bunch of bugs hatching outside of that,
Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in it really. Yeah, and your
Speaker 1: kids right missing out? Yeah, like I'd rather take my
Speaker 1: kids fishing at this point. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: gone all the time. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well there's
Speaker 1: an enthusiastic talk about a guy hungry for business by Henderson,
Speaker 1: But that might be the best kind of guy, because
Speaker 1: I'm happy when I'm out there. I'm not that that
Speaker 1: might be the best kind of guy. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's perfect right now, it's perfect. He
Speaker 1: might be like, if you go him, it's gonna be right.
Speaker 1: If you can squeezing a half day trip between June
Speaker 1: fifte and July, I'm all about it. You're gonna catch fish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. My concluding thaws that shout out to Matt
Speaker 1: Elliott because we had a thing I used to on
Speaker 1: the on my pocket knife. I used always like those
Speaker 1: pocket knives that had part seration, oh yeah, part normal tip.
Speaker 1: Matt Elliott that bench made was kind of like he
Speaker 1: wasn't like down on it. He's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody has what they worked for him. But he suggested
Speaker 1: to switching over and he took the I have this,
Speaker 1: uh you know, it's called a grip tillion. She's like
Speaker 1: what they call like the E d C, like the
Speaker 1: everyday Carrie knife. And I always had that serrated on there,
Speaker 1: and he took it and made it put it just straight, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm loving that, just straight man, You're not missing this.
Speaker 1: So I used to, like I have, honestly that my
Speaker 1: whole entire life, walking around the pocket knife that had
Speaker 1: seration on it, thinking I was bad motile, ready to
Speaker 1: cut some ropes, ready to like cut of rope. It
Speaker 1: like was dragging me off into a pit, right. I
Speaker 1: had to like cut it quick or else I die
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, I think when you asked Matt about it,
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, some guys like them, man beacon of knives.
Speaker 1: Though I got one more concluded real quick. I don't
Speaker 1: want to give the impression that we left a bunch
Speaker 1: of meat on the hill, Like we took our time
Speaker 1: and cleaned it up, and every just took went to
Speaker 1: left the heart my vacuum seiler, oh, really closing up
Speaker 1: the cabin, and I was like, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna um not leave my chamber seiler.
Speaker 1: Like most vacuum steelers are like you know, like those
Speaker 1: little they're not a chamber seiler. Yeah, everyone has, like
Speaker 1: you know, you put it on the outside and you
Speaker 1: put the bag on the outside. I have like one
Speaker 1: of those Western chamber seilers where it's a much better system.
Speaker 1: The bags are better and cheaper to buy bags for
Speaker 1: a chamber see, but chambership was a lot more expensive
Speaker 1: either way. I didn't like my chamber seiler sealed up,
Speaker 1: and I thought it might mill doing air, so I
Speaker 1: cracked it open to stick a uh a little piece
Speaker 1: of chalker, just keep it, just to keep it cracked.
Speaker 1: It realized that damn dear heart was in there, sealed
Speaker 1: like I sealed the last bag, like crapping all of
Speaker 1: our meat. We were like ceiling fish and freezer paper
Speaker 1: and red meat. But I was like, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: back bag, the heart didn't find that, So there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fermented heart for the next person that goes there. No,
Speaker 1: I had to pitch it. Oh, it's through it all
Speaker 1: the water for the crabs, because they've been sitting there
Speaker 1: for unsealed, sitting there for however long in the room
Speaker 1: to in the wood stole right next to it. A
Speaker 1: total stupid move man but I still got my liver. No, man,
Speaker 1: we did like a lot of meat salt. It's just
Speaker 1: like it was a lot of work and made me realize.
Speaker 1: But where is the man with one guns? He's gonna
Speaker 1: leave a lot of meat damage, all right, Thanks for listening.