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Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely

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Speaker 1: bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything, all right, Dirt myth back from the dead.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while. Explain your I situation. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell a part of it. Yeah, no, no, no, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell the first part, and I'm gonna have parts

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Speaker 1: of all other parts to tell. It used to be

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Speaker 1: that you couldn't really see anything. Yeah, just glass, like

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Speaker 1: you couldn't see critters. Yeah, shitty game eyes. How a

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Speaker 1: fella might reporter. Yeah, you saw things that uh exist,

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Speaker 1: saw things that were not there, and then didn't see

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Speaker 1: things that were there. Then you went in science, you

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Speaker 1: went and and uh explain that got lasic, which was

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Speaker 1: phenomenal recommended to anybody. It was like a rebirth really. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy, like you opened your eyes and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden like, oh ship, there's all the animals. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it was quick. It was like it was painless.

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Speaker 1: You know, there is inherent risks in cutting into your

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Speaker 1: eye with a laser, but it was like maybe fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes procedure and then maybe two hours later like it

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Speaker 1: was it was, it was it was crazy because the

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Speaker 1: glasses I had two hours later, Yeah, I could see,

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Speaker 1: like and it varies the recovery, you know, because they

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Speaker 1: they just assumed was swelling and stuff. But yet on

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Speaker 1: the drive back Andrew, my girlfriend drove me back to Bozeman.

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Speaker 1: By the time we got home, I like couldn't go

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Speaker 1: in the house because everything looks so cool outside. Not

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Speaker 1: seeing critters everywhere, yeah, and realizing the ones you thought

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Speaker 1: were there were they were probably scratches and eye boogers

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Speaker 1: on my glasses or something. And then after then you

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Speaker 1: started wearing glasses when uh, two thousands, like early two

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Speaker 1: thousand's it's not my whole life, but two you saw

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Speaker 1: my setup I had. I had that Jerry rigged crokey. Yeah. Garrett,

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Speaker 1: Garrett's father, Oh, he's gonna love this, invented activewear something

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Speaker 1: called activewear where he takes a piece of lawn trimmor cord, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like like the the actual cutting cord from a weed

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Speaker 1: whacker and he fixes uh it as a yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it isn't like poky like band aid. Right, It's like

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Speaker 1: a company used to making what's like, what's the other

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Speaker 1: word for it, retainer? Yeah, makes an eyeglass retainer out

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Speaker 1: of weed whacker cord his work. But he's like his

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Speaker 1: are for reading glass, which I need now bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you so you would like his like I couldn't read.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to read the dosages on fuel stabilizer

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Speaker 1: yesterday and nothing. It's very difficult. I've got that too.

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Speaker 1: Tying on hooks, small hooks, Henderson. You tie a lot

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Speaker 1: of small hooks professionally. Yeah, the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: you've been putting readers on. I've been caved in yet,

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Speaker 1: but I need to, dude. I was in a restaurant

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Speaker 1: there day was I want to get back to you, dirt,

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Speaker 1: cause I want to talk about you poking a hole

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Speaker 1: a restaurant, and we're gonna come back to your whole

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Speaker 1: little sock. So a friend of mine she had on

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Speaker 1: a pair of cheaters that she just got one point

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Speaker 1: five magnat vacation. I put those suns bitches on and

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Speaker 1: it was like holy, Like this is what menus look

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Speaker 1: like in real life. It makes you realize what happens

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Speaker 1: to you after you turn forty, Like so degrading man.

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Speaker 1: They do say forty to like the lacing and it

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Speaker 1: happens fast. I'm now like I dread, you know, like

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Speaker 1: like children's like whatever to give him ibi profen. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: when I get read. But I'm like, well, that's might

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Speaker 1: be white people wear glasses. Rogan's got cheaters. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I'm like, god, I'm so jealous, man, I gotta get

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Speaker 1: some of those things. Well, you gotta try. I'll get

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Speaker 1: you some of what Dad makes. Well that's what I need.

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Speaker 1: I need the weed whacker cord put on them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's not gonna try to like meet girls anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You got glasses when early two thousands, so you've been

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Speaker 1: running around the glasses of ten years, and here's what

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Speaker 1: happened to Dirt. This is this is Yanni's theory. It's accurate.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Yannie. Didn't you come up with this

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Speaker 1: theory about why Dirt pulled the hole in his eye

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Speaker 1: with a pine needle like days after getting laceick? Well

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Speaker 1: it was he had gotten You tell him your theory, Yanny.

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Speaker 1: Why think we should tell the story of how he

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Speaker 1: out my favorite parts. Go ahead, you tell what happened

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Speaker 1: So so you tell the straight dope version. So making

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Speaker 1: two months later, two months later, make an epic TV

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Speaker 1: Steve setting up his tent on the Big Belt mountains

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Speaker 1: in Montana. And usually I can just freely head butt

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Speaker 1: pine trees with eye protection. But in this case, because

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Speaker 1: however it happened, it's got worse every day, are you guys? Luckily?

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Speaker 1: Luckily I work with good people, because by the end

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Speaker 1: what was an abrasion forneal abrasion, But it was during

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Speaker 1: the wafts in the eye, tear's your thing. You walk out,

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Speaker 1: day with only one eye. Well, the whole hike out,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't I could not see ship man. That's that's

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Speaker 1: something you've learned. To appreciate it to anyone who's lost

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Speaker 1: little mink uh has been coming in there and it's

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00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,239
Speaker 1: got at the up top of the base of its

425
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: tail has a very size bigger than a quarter. Yeah A,

426
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: I would go so far as to call a festering

427
00:24:53,480 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: wound festering wound. And this mink has absolutely no I

428
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: should say absolutely virtually no fear of humans. Yeah, foot

429
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: away to the point where it even gets like a

430
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: little kind of aggro on you, a little bit aggressive

431
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: on stand in its ground, Yeah, and curious about you,

432
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: possibly rabid. We were thinking something wrong with sure, and

433
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: I got to wear old. I think it looks like

434
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: even besides it's injury, it looks like ship. Usually when

435
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: you see minks, they have like they almost like flow

436
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: asleep the landscape. You know, there's a sleek like movement

437
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: to him, and this soccer has more of like a

438
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: hobbling like he's got like a hitch in his giddy up. Yeah,

439
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: like an old like some imagine something really old lady

440
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: with a really old poodle. If you watch that poodle

441
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: walk around scruffy in southeast Alaska. So the mink I

442
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: got to wear. I started toying with the idea of

443
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: killing it with a rock, only cause I had in

444
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: my head that there's something wrong with it. It's sick

445
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: and it's like suffering, and it's potentially like a hazard

446
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: to be around when you're sleeping and things around with.

447
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: You know, he just is weird. Yanni told me that

448
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: would be playing god. Then I said, you know what,

449
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot it with a shotgun. Then I didn't

450
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: uh do that. He kind of vanished then I thought.

451
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: Then me and Broder like, oh, he crawled off and died. Yeah.

452
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: Then we get talking to some boys down the beach

453
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: and they're telling us that that meant it's just been

454
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: hanging around for years with a fastering wound on the

455
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: base of its tail. Yeah, they named it what was

456
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: his name, I can't remember. Faster And you said that

457
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: was a female mint because it was a lighter color. Yeah,

458
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: then we saw it fail safe. But like like when

459
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: I used to trapped mink, a male mink, you know,

460
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: would be twice as worth, twice as much as a female,

461
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: much longer than the female. So like a male mank

462
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: might be twenty four inches nose to base, the tail

463
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: mank could be you know, fourteen or whatever. Females, they're

464
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: they're generally lighter color. They generally seem to have like

465
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: they're they're like, I could be a mistake about this,

466
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: but I think I remember this that the tail the

467
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: body ratio was less tailed for body like than a male.

468
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: Then we later saw a couple of males fighting. Yeah,

469
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: just big yeah, big, yeah, they have a crazy screen. Yeah,

470
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: that sound was I would have never thought that that

471
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: was two minks you knew? Yeah, well, I've just seen

472
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: him and heard him before. And do you remember, do

473
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: you remember were you there at Doug Durn's out and uh,

474
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: there was a mink raid in a squirrel nest and

475
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: I could hear him way up a tree and I

476
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what's going on. And I realized that

477
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: there's a mink up in a tree fighting with a

478
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: squirrel because he's trying to raid the squirrel nest to

479
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: get the babies out, but the squirrel was fighting them,

480
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: and that mankles up there doing that crazy fighting sound too.

481
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: My money would be on the mink their weasel family, right,

482
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you don't mess with them. Yeah, yeah, no

483
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: one wants the mess of the mink. Man. Um. So,

484
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: while you're here, diret Uh, what what was your impression

485
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: of Mooch and co host man man you found your calling? Yeah,

486
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: I'll dream of the Mooch madness about seventeen for years

487
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: to come. I mean that it was fun. Explain it well,

488
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: explain why you're having such a hard time with it,

489
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: and then you got so good at that. The initial

490
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: hit just causes like I feel like the reaction is

491
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: to set it like your fly fishing or you know,

492
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: real fishing, just the excitement and then you get limped

493
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: back up. As Steve says, yea, the just set it

494
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: like you're doing what Yeah, just like to really, I

495
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: mean it's it's such an aggressive hit when you're you're

496
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: like slowly digging thirty ft. Yeah, let me let me

497
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: break it down from it. Just catch people up. So, um,

498
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: you guys, button if I miss out any things that

499
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: you think are helpful to people to understand. So in

500
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: the area of southeast Alaska where where we we have

501
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: a fish and check, Um, well, if you're going there

502
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: in the winter, there's not gonna be a lot of

503
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: co holes around. There's some resident kings that you might

504
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: catch there, but it won't be many co holes around.

505
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: The coals are coming in to the inner waters congregating

506
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: up and they're getting ready to go up rivers and

507
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: spawn and they start showing up. But you're like out

508
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: in the you know, you're out in the legit ocean. Um.

509
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: But it's fish that are preparing to do their spawn run.

510
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: And then I believe other co hoes are mixed in

511
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: that are not going to do a run that year.

512
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: But the big schools come in and in this area

513
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: they tend to congregate around rocky points, like big cliffy points.

514
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Either because I'm sure someone knows the answer to this,

515
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: either because they're pushing bait, they're pushing harring and schooling haring,

516
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: and it winds up being that they're schooling harring up

517
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: against the cliff walls or the herring like those places,

518
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: like the harringer in those points, and the coals just

519
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: come and find them there. I'm not sure which of

520
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: those is true. But when you pass over, so so

521
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: you're fishing were you can take a slingshot and hit

522
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: the cliff with a rock. But it's deep too, right,

523
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: but it's still hundred two ft deep. Uh, And you'll

524
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: pass over with a fish finder. You don't need to

525
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: use a fish finder necessarily, but it's really helpful. You'll

526
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: pass over the fish find you'll find the big bait balls.

527
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: You'll either see big bait balls like just look like

528
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: giant wads of something and they're thick enough that they're dent.

529
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: So the sow inari show like red, red and yellow

530
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: balls of something not on you know, hovering in the

531
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: midwater column annual mark slashes like individual slashed fish, and

532
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: the co host tend to eat. If you're in three

533
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: ft of water, they're up, they tend to be around.

534
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: So you've got three water column and you'll see forty

535
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: five ft down you'll see slashes or balls, big balls

536
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: of bait. And a big ball of bait on your

537
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: sounar might look like it starts at thirty ft down

538
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: and extends down to seventy so like you know, sizeable chunks.

539
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: When you see that, you just say, like you'll shout

540
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: out a depth and then a mooch. And rig is

541
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: like big long noodle rods nine ft nine and a

542
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: half ft rods with a level wine reel, and I

543
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: like to use a line counter, a real the line

544
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: counter on it. And you've got your main line running

545
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: out and you got like a little flash it looks

546
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: like a crushed beer can, and then eighteen inches of

547
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: wine or whatever. Then you put a four ounce banana weight.

548
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: Then you gotta you know, three ft of leader coming

549
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: off that and a little two hook harness rig that

550
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: you hook a piece of cut herring on. And when

551
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: you see that baitball, you just shout out. Everybody dropped

552
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: down on the forty ft and if all goals, Well,

553
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: that's what I said. That was cold. I really like

554
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: that part. It's like we're kind of, you know, motoring

555
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: around and you're eyeing the the stone are and then

556
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: when you say like fish at thirty, it was just

557
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: like a sweet game on It's fun. Yeah, and uh,

558
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: dirt would get a hit and you would just try

559
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: to bitch slap and like you said, I think what

560
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: it was that And then also like when you bitch

561
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: slap it like that, when you said it like that,

562
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: you're also gonna let the slack out and they just well, no,

563
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: because there's two things you're doing. I was doing something,

564
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: you're limping you Here's that. This is the most common

565
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: problem I've found with people who come out and haven't

566
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: grown up or have it who aren't accustomed to saltwater

567
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: deep saltwater fishing, Yes significant is they and even jigging

568
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: deep water like jay halibut three of water. People have

569
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: a tendency to do a very like rambunctious hook set

570
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: without reeling. So they're doing a big hook set. So

571
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: imagine that you're imagine the hands of a clock and

572
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: the water is like the three and nine position. Okay,

573
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: so the you got a horizontal plane and your rod's

574
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: out horizontal above the horizontal plane of the water. Their

575
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: hooks at takes them all the way up to twelve

576
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: of a clock. Then for whatever reason, they lower the

577
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: rod very quickly back down to the horizontal plane, not

578
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: feeling anything. Yeah, and not really so they're like setting

579
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: the hook. They're saying to the fish, got you the

580
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: un they're standing just kidding. Because they lower the rod

581
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: back down in on a nine ft rod, you're all

582
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden like providing the fish with tons of slack.

583
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: And we think about the mechanics of a hook, the

584
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: hook this falls back out of its mouth. Yeah, people

585
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: just like yeah, limp nicking. It's it's just I don't

586
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: get it. But real, when you're setting reel, I once

587
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: after three I think three misses, then you got deadly

588
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: because you realize that you can't just go on gonna

589
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: lift the rod, tep it up the air and they're

590
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: gonna drop it back down to the water and let

591
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: you go. There's a reaction just because of that hit.

592
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: But if you can keep your calm, just real bringing

593
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: it a nice How big were those I think too

594
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: though on that since we're talking about those hook set now,

595
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: because there is no virtually no slack if you're fishing

596
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: it right and when the fish takes it, if yeah,

597
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: if you over hooks that, you know, like with a

598
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: big giant motion, you could be pulling it right out

599
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: of his mouth or right through his mouth, literally ripping

600
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: off chunks of his pop. Yeah you know. Um, I've

601
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about that, and I wonder if

602
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: it has something to do with like the amount of

603
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: slack that you're fishing with, because like fly fishing, right,

604
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: you always like you rarely ever tight line while your

605
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 1: fly fish, unless you're doing some sort of like check

606
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: nimping thing right roady where you'd have actually like, yeah,

607
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: you have an actual feel to the to the fly.

608
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: Normally they're slacks, so when the fish takes it, you

609
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: have to make an exaggerated motion to take all that

610
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: slack out as fast as you can. But that's not

611
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: actually setting the hook. You're just removing the slack so

612
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: that then the rod can but barely bend and and

613
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: reeling down on the fish. Yeah, because I think they're

614
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: eating that harring and turning with it. And if you

615
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: really you're gonna hook him. But if you come up

616
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: and then drop your rod tip, nothing's going to happen.

617
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot of times they're swimming, they're eating

618
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: it and swimming towards you at the same time. That's

619
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. He's coming up and grabbing it.

620
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: And I think that when people are like, well, I'm

621
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: getting it, it's like you don't get a hit. You

622
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: don't like coh doesn't come up and nibble on a hair.

623
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: They're swallowing it. He's taking it. He's not gonna I'm

624
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna He's not like being like a catfish who's just

625
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: down there like leisurely messing around with your bait to

626
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: see if it's something he wants to consume. That thing

627
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: is coming up and grabbing it. When you get like

628
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: a hit, what you think is a hit is the

629
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: fish taking it. But he's a lot of times rocketing up.

630
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: Because sometimes you'll hook a cold you'll think he had

631
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: a hit, and the next thing you know, some bitches

632
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: up in the air out of the water because he

633
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: comes up and hits it, comes up and jumps and

634
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you like feel like you had

635
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: a hit. But then there's a fish flying through the air. Yeah,

636
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: I hooked one that I hooked it on my side

637
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: of the boat and it ended up jumping behind us

638
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: on the other side of the in which case he's

639
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: he or she are is creating slack. That's why the

640
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: astute angler doesn't say, oh, I'm getting hit and sit there,

641
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: and he doesn't overdo it and do some massive, rambunctious

642
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: hooks at he feels the take and reels down the fish. No,

643
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: setting a hook like setting a hook is an end

644
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: result right, Setting a hook means you're punching that hook.

645
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: My understanding of it is the same way when you

646
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: got that hook in your hand right, it never set,

647
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: meaning it never got the barbon there. So if I had,

648
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: at that moment when you were tangled up in your

649
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: own hook on a fish in the net, had I

650
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: grabbed that line and did a hook set, right, you'd

651
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: still have that hook in your hand, or you'd be

652
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: going to a place, a professional facility to get it removed.

653
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: So a hook set is an end is a is

654
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: a is a thing that happens from something you did.

655
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: When when you reel down, I feel like you are

656
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: putting that hook home. Barbs keeping everything. You're not you're

657
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: not setting it with the lifting, are setting the hook?

658
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: You're just not setting the hook by doing some crazy thing. Yeah,

659
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: you're reeling down on that fish. But I think nine

660
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: out of ten, just you know, average level fishermen or

661
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: just people in America, if you said set the hook,

662
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: what does that mean or whatever, they would give you

663
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: some you know, exaggerated motion of lifting the rod tip.

664
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's what I want to see my

665
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: clients do. Like they need to look like the Statue

666
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: of Liberty. That's oh I don't need. It's a fly

667
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: reel like you could reel for ten minutes. Don't real

668
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: at all. It's all stripping, right because there's so it's

669
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: such a narrow arbor on that thing, like it takes

670
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: ten seconds to reel in five ft a line. Yeah,

671
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: so like limp dick. And when you're a guiding fisherman, well,

672
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him come up and then

673
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: back down again. You don't say no, because that's the

674
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: same thing you were talking about, Like it's up and

675
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: stay up, you know, keep it talk. Yeah. I was

676
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: always told to put the butt towards the fish fly

677
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: fishing once you got one on that makes sense? Is

678
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: that something that's a good I never heard it, but

679
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, just to keep keep from limp dicken.

680
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: So you want him getting the hang of it. Oh man, dude,

681
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: it's so. It's the most thing on the planet. I

682
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: would rather, uh. Another way to catch silver's wait till

683
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: they go up in the river. I mean it's the

684
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: hunter ways to catch them. But a couple of ways

685
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: that we catch them. It's wait till they go up

686
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: in the river miles and then just huck spinners at

687
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: them or throw flies at them. Well, these were even

688
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: like mooch is so much fun. And then a couple

689
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: of those times they would like I don't know if

690
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: they pop off the set the hooks or whatever, but

691
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: they'd be chasing the herring up to the boat as

692
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: he reeled up. I never expected to be visual like

693
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: we're seeing those things next year. Nice bag of limit

694
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: to your lout six a day? How big? What would

695
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: you say the average size of those were. I mean,

696
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: there's like giants out there and all that, but what

697
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: we were trying, I would say, and we don't throw

698
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: every fish on and we don't throw a really main

699
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: fish on a scale at all, but just eyeball on

700
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: them and having weighed a lot of fish, we definitely

701
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't think we caught it twelve pounds still over

702
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: and the nose in our area and our fish and

703
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: like a twelve pounds silver be like a nice fish.

704
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: We got a lot of like six to ten pounds. Yeah, beautiful, strong,

705
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: crazy and they go crazy. Yeah, antasca, we did uh

706
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: raw eight one raw after freezing it get rid of parasites. Yeah, yeah,

707
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: that's we used to eat. Like when we used to

708
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: catch a king. We just eat the thing, not even

709
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: freezing it. But there is some and I think it

710
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: was like people being hysterical saying that it's a bad

711
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: idea to do it, but it's advised that you freeze

712
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: it and then promp thaw it out and then cut

713
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: it for then cut it for saus I had always

714
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: heard do that with fresh water fish, but not that

715
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: you didn't need to free saltwater fish. Yeah, with salmon,

716
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: I think it's like best it's best practices, and I

717
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's my again understanding, someone writing and

718
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: contradict um best practices to take that salmon, and I

719
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: think that my understanding too. Is this what they do

720
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: in sushi restaurants is they're freezing it and then serving.

721
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: Would salmon be good as savich? I've had like stuff,

722
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, really good. Yeah, it's really good. Honest. Sushi

723
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah, we did good job. Slice in it

724
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: just right. Yeah, but did have like texture like mushy? No, no,

725
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: the opposite. Instead of being that like creaminess that you

726
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 1: expect from a good fish. It had almost a little

727
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: bit more audente than I was expecting. I wonder if

728
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: that co ho is not the most popular, like the

729
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: most popular sushi grade salmon, maybe kings Oh really, and

730
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: now you can't catch him. I wonder if it was

731
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: right now in this area like where the because it

732
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: wasn't ballet part of the flat near the tail like

733
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: I wonder if it would have been yeah, off the shoulders. Well,

734
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: I advised him against that record is saying why are

735
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: you doing the tail? Well, yeah, test run. It is

736
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: because of the test run. So now we know we're

737
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna go home and pick out the biggest, fattest, thickest

738
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: slab and try it again. Another kind of fisher we're

739
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: doing is we're doing deep water jigging and uh, dirt

740
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: pulled up a world record silver gray rockfish five ft.

741
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: Well that country, he said, is off, but probably three

742
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: feet right, yeah, over three big silver gray those so

743
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: coals are allowed six a day, you're allowed, uh, rockfish

744
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: a day as a nonresident, right? Is that the same

745
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: for residents, same for residents. So when we bought our

746
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: place many many years ago, you were allowed. I think

747
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: at that time I could be wrong, but I think

748
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: at that time you were allowed. A non resident was

749
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: laud one or two yellow eyes a day. Then it

750
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: went into an annual limit. Last year you were allowed

751
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: to yellow eyes a day, two yellow eyes per year.

752
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: This year one yellow eye per year. And on the

753
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: west side of the island, no yellow eye retention this

754
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: year for non residence or anyone. And they closed the

755
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: winter King salmon and winter king got down shut down,

756
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: but they closed the winter King salmon. Not to do

757
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: with fish up here, but they're because they're having such

758
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: poor returns and some rivers south of here and you

759
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: can't and like counts are so down in some of

760
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: the rivers south of here more in the like we're

761
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: in southeast Alaska, but like northwest Yeah, uh, some of

762
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: the returns are so low that they didn't emergency shut

763
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: down of kings here and hopes that there's like and

764
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: hopes that that some of those fish are up here.

765
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Did they shut anything down around you in Seattle at all?

766
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, because I don't know as

767
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: far as like wild kings. I don't know what's going

768
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: on down there right now. I'm just surprised like non

769
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: commercial sport fishing would have an impact on something like that.

770
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: One could argue that it doesn't. Yeah, I mean I

771
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: could see like you know, guided services or commercial Yeah,

772
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: that that that'll get closed too. But they you know

773
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: what a couple of weeks ago, well a few I

774
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: guess a month or so ago, Now there was a king,

775
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: a commercial king's season going on out here. So you

776
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: got a commercial kings season going on. And then literally

777
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: like it's you know, I mean, there's so many like

778
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: there's so many conflicting interests and in the way like

779
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: in Alaska they tear out importance level of fisheries, okay,

780
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: and and and it's all very reasonable, but importance level

781
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: be like subsistence fisheries get are like top tier importance okay,

782
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: So people that rely on the fishery for like their

783
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: own consumptive use. So that's like a primary food primary

784
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: food source, and there's like cultural heritage there. Okay, like

785
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: that user group is going to get top preference and

786
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: commercial interests are going to get preference over recreational because

787
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: of the livelihood. Yeah, and it's and it's like and

788
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: then you get into this numbers game of what's more

789
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: valuable to the state. What's more valuable to the state

790
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: would be like what is the commercial harvest and the

791
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: jobs generated from fish processing and and all the economic

792
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: activity that goes along with commercial fishery. Is that more

793
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: important or a more vital revenue stream for the state

794
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: than old economic activity generated around recreational fishing. But it's

795
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: kind of funny. It's like from the from the perspective

796
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: of a personal use fisherman, it's really fun to be

797
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: out Like we'll be out fishing and you're under a

798
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: bag limit, like let's say you're a loud like like whatever,

799
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: like six silver's a day or a king a day

800
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: in a slot limit and you're fishing within stones throw

801
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: of a person er. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like it

802
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: winds up feeling kind of like like off kilter. But

803
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: those guys have a quota that they're under. There's that.

804
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: Or it would be that you're out fishing halibut rod

805
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: and reel and you're allowed to halibate okay, a day.

806
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: It's a very generous bag. That's a lot of halibut, right,

807
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, to halib it a day. But next to

808
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: you is a hellibot longliner who's running miles of hooks.

809
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: It just winds up, you know, me, It's like there's

810
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: like a and it all makes sense, but it's like

811
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: it's like out in the salt water when you're fishing

812
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: amid commercial extraction. It does wind up seeing like like

813
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: kind of art drop in the bucket. It seems like

814
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: kind of arbitrary. This this this may be a reach.

815
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: You guys may give me help for this, but probably

816
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: if you're gonna because like a lot of things you say,

817
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: you don't even know. Right, the fact that you're anticipating

818
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: blowback makes me nervous because this could be good as

819
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: a you know, living in Montana fishing fishing up here

820
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: on the Pacific and it's like this massive body of

821
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: water and it's like when when the when we're mooching

822
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: and it's going off. It feels like there's like a

823
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: limitless supply of these fish, and it kind of I

824
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: was just like thinking it could equate to what the

825
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: early settlers thought of as the buffalo being a vast

826
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: A good point. Yes, So that's how it kind of

827
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: works in an inability two comprehend the finiteness of a

828
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: resource just because you're so overwhelmed with how much there

829
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: is in your little world. So my body, speaking of

830
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: the yellow eye thing, the yellow eye restrictions my body,

831
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: who is a biologist, uh was saying to me the

832
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: other day. And this is like a good dude, very

833
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: concerned about resources, practices a lot of personal restraint, cares deeply,

834
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that if to save if someone

835
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: said to him, if someone said to him, we can

836
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: save the fishery, but that would mean you can never

837
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: fish again the rest of your life, he would be like, Okay,

838
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: if that's the way it has to be, fine. It

839
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: means that much to me to have it out there,

840
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: knowing it's there, means more to me than contributing to

841
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: his demise. Yeah, okay, So that kind of fell. He

842
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: was saying to me. He's like, I just don't buy it.

843
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't buy the yellow I thing because when I

844
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: dropped down and I catch one, Yeah, but like yeah,

845
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: but that's like so anecdotal, dude, you might be you know,

846
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: how do you It's like he also said they don't

847
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: really know a lot about them, like as far as

848
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: the numbers and stuff, but they know those sons of

849
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: bitches when you catch a big one, those sons of

850
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: bitches are eighty ninety years old. Yeah. The guy at

851
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: the lodge caught a thirty pounder that they aged at

852
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: I forgetting how it was around a hundred years old

853
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: and they did a test on its earbone. Dude, any

854
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: any yellow ey you catch is old enough to vote right,

855
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: and most of them are gonna be old enough to

856
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: get draw Social Security. Is there much of a commercial

857
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: fishery for those? But then't even as limited? So like

858
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: I've got friends that used to do commercial that commercial

859
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: longline for Haliban. And you're trying to get out and

860
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: set up on big flat areas, okay, but now and

861
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: then you screw up and you set you close to

862
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: a rock bluff for cliff face and just be like

863
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: bunch of yellow eyes come up and you just gotta

864
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: float all those fish come the commercial guys because you're

865
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: limited to your percentage of like your bycatch. Like for instance,

866
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: when when when you used to be able to, like

867
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: in US waters, you used to be able to fin

868
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: for sharks. Okay, so you could be a swordfish longliner

869
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: and be running big plagic longlines and catch sharks and

870
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: then just take the thing of instead of like filling

871
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: your hold up with shark flesh, it isn't valuable. You

872
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: could just fin the sharks and keep the fins for

873
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: the market. The Asian markets just keep fins and be like,

874
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like use valuable holds base and valuable

875
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: ice to chill shark meat that isn't worth as much

876
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: as swordfish meat. So what they could do is just

877
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: cut fins. Would be like legally just taking a backstrap

878
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: off of a deer. Yeah, like I only got I

879
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: got a little small freezer and it's gonna fill a backstrap,

880
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: So I go shoot twenty deer and have just backstrapping there.

881
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: But then what they want up doing in the US waters,

882
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: they came in and said, like of your hall of sharks,

883
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: fins can only be a certain percentage of your total

884
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: hall of shark that you're bringing in and they've made

885
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: it that you basically can't I can't mamber what it was.

886
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: It's some number like it wasn't like let's say it was.

887
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: They made it not uncost effective to do that in

888
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: order to try to slow down the harvest on sharks.

889
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: So with the bycatch thing, with all commercial fishing, it's

890
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: like they will be not all you can never say,

891
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: oh like, it's so like the regulatory structures are just

892
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: like my mind bogglingly complex and there's no generalizations, but

893
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: it will be percentages of take or whatever allowed and

894
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: bycatch if you screw up or just whatever, Like my

895
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: nature conspires against you and you pull up your thing

896
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: and you got like no halibit, but shiploads yellow eyes.

897
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: You can't just be like sweet. But you'll still walk

898
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: into like Anthony's, which is a popular seafood chain in

899
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest. You'll still walk into Anthony's and see

900
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: rock fish on the menu. It's like you're looking at

901
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: you're looking at you know, bycatch fishery. At least some

902
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: of us getting used. Yeah, but the minute, but it's

903
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: so here's why. So people like that's ridiculous, it shouldn't

904
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: be that way. What's the what's the alternative? Okay? All bycatches, Okay,

905
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: because some dudy's like, oh you mean yellow eyes bringing

906
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: whatever a pound, I'm gonna accidentally set up against this

907
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: cliff and make a bunch of money. Well, the same

908
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: argument is made against keeping road kill. I mean I've

909
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: heard people make that same argument. I think that's still

910
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: the argument. But go ahead and explain it. Yeah, where

911
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: it's like, well, now it's legal as of a couple

912
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: of years. You smoke a deer on accident, you can

913
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, call it in in your state. Is now legal.

914
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: And for a while it wasn't legal because people worried

915
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: that you know, guys would get big cow push your

916
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: bumpers and just go out and target road which seems

917
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: a kind of like oh no, yeah, but it's like

918
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,959
Speaker 1: killing yourself. Yeah. But even then, so in that state

919
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: you got, like when I was growing up with road kill,

920
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: like in Michigan, you could retain road kill, but you

921
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: had to secure permit, and they were very liberal with

922
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: the permits. I remember picking up deer with my dad

923
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and my dad would call

924
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: he just dialed nine on one or call the sheriff's

925
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: office whatever, and they would even be like, I'll bring

926
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: you out a permit tomorrow or got it, We got

927
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: your information, don't sweat it. Take the deer. But thinking

928
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: in like a state, like in some of the western

929
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: states where you have seven eight nine species of big game,

930
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: some of them being very valuable, right, like a looser, Yeah,

931
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: like big horn, like a big horn ram If you

932
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: have a big horn ram head, you know it's worth

933
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars. So even with the road kill thing,

934
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: the rocal thing only applies to certain creatures, so so

935
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: that people won't target. Yeah, Like you still can't pick

936
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: up a road kill big horn. And I think in

937
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: a lot of states, even with a white tailor or

938
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: a mule deer buck, you can't retain the horns if

939
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: you're taking I think that it's that way in Colorado.

940
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: You can take a road kill buck, but you can't

941
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: take the antlers. Can't retain the ant And I've tried twice.

942
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: I think why there's a hole in the in that

943
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: theory that people a just gonna walk around, you know,

944
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: smoking running over deer. Is that twice? With my buddy

945
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: Jim Miller, he got to I think one was a cow.

946
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the other one was, but rolled

947
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: in there. I think even like d O Tea maybe

948
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: showed up with like like a tractor or something to

949
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: help load it into the back of his car. Like

950
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: I met him after work and we started skinning that thing.

951
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: You know, he'd been gutted and had been hanging and

952
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: we started skinning it, and like we ended up there

953
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: was no meat. It was good for human consumption. It

954
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: was all just purple and beat up bruise and it

955
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: we turned it all into dog food. It was not

956
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: an efficient way to get meat. When you figure auto

957
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: damage now, I one time killed one with the side

958
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: view mirror. Oh nice clean head shot. Headshot the side

959
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: of view mirror. It was one of those side of

960
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: view mirrors out of truck that folds in anyway, the

961
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: old metal ones that had like the tubes tube structure

962
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: leading on to it. That thing coming and hit the

963
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: window so hard, scared the ship out of me. But yeah,

964
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: just like done. Yeah, you know, no meat damage. So

965
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: you were saying with the back to the fisheries stuff,

966
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: if you if it was a bycatch, you would try

967
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: to get it. There was some way that you can

968
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 1: try to get back down to the depth because they'll

969
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: die yellow Yeah, back to yellow eyes. And this is like,

970
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: this is kind of interesting to tell you, like the

971
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: intricacies of of fisheries management stuff. So like take the

972
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: case of the yellow eye. Now, rock fish a lot

973
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: of your and I don't know about more plagic life

974
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: non plagic rockfish. So rock fisherl just like live in

975
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: a little spot down on the bottom of the ocean,

976
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: and the rocks are in the kelp and they don't

977
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: drift around and move around. I don't want to explain

978
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: plagic versus non plagic is a word for like open

979
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: ocean and they move a lot. Yeah, So you have

980
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: like you have a reef for instance, with sharks, you

981
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: got reef sharks that are residents around. Then you got

982
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: like a shark like a mako, which is regarded as

983
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: a polagic shark, so he drifts around on the open seas,

984
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: up in the water column, not affiliated with the bottom

985
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: of the ocean, like, not like a benthic shark who

986
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: lays down on the bottom. He just out cruised around.

987
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: Other polagic fish should be you're tunas, like yeah, bill fish, tunas,

988
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: plagic fish cruise around on the open ocean um. So

989
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: there are some species of rock fish to regard it

990
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: as plagic rock fish, so they're not. They don't have

991
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: like a lot of fidelity to their little home spot

992
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: on the bottom of the ocean. Yellow eyes are nonplagic.

993
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: Just like he's got like a spot where he's got,

994
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: Like Jenny doesn't move far, has like a place where

995
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: he lives down the bottom of the ocean. He doesn't

996
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: move around in the water column a lot. And for whoever,

997
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: I guess lack of adaptation wherever, Like he doesn't have

998
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: the ability to adjust his swim bladder quickly to account

999
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: for lateral movements in the water or column or no,

1000
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: like an account for like a horizontal movement in the

1001
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: water column. Pressure changes the same way that humans can't,

1002
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: the same way that humans suck at it, Like he

1003
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: came down feet down and then do a rapid ascent

1004
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: to the surface and make the necessary press the necessary

1005
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: adjustments in the pressure. Yeah, I read somewhere when we

1006
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: were getting ready or I don't know, maybe, oh it

1007
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: isn't that article It was in like an Anchorage newspaper

1008
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: and talking about this whole yellow eye rock fitch management

1009
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: thing and the guy uh equated it to um. Basically,

1010
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: you combing up in the in the water column, you

1011
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: would basically vomit your lungs. It's nice, yeah, very nice, Uh,

1012
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: but a hell of it can't c Yeah you crank, see,

1013
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: but halib it move around all the time. They're up there.

1014
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, people don't think about it, but how but like, yeah,

1015
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: they're down, but they're up to caught a hell. We

1016
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: caught a hell, but it had a diving duck in

1017
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: its Yeah, so they move around and you know, come

1018
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: up and go down there they convent right. But when

1019
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: you crank a yellow eye and many other species, well

1020
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: we're just talking about yellow eyes here. When you crank

1021
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: a yellow why up from three of water four ft

1022
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: of water, the gases in his blood and the gases

1023
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: and his body expand rapidly. So when you pull him up,

1024
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: his stomach, his swim bladder, which is the thing they

1025
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: used for buoyancy, his swim bladder, the gases there expand,

1026
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: and his swim bladder will have expanded so much that

1027
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: shoves his stomach out of his mouth. So what you're

1028
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: looking at when he comes up is you're not looking

1029
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: at his swim body. You're looking at his stomach. Yeah,

1030
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: it looks like a hot dog sticking out, and his

1031
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: eyes are and the gases behind his eyes, so his

1032
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: eyes are bugged out. And when you're fighting a yellow eye,

1033
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: he's fighting, fighting, fighting, But then you get him a

1034
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: hundred feet off the bottom of your eyes, he's not

1035
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: fighting anymore. And when they come up, they just float

1036
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: like you don't need to gaff them. And you gaff

1037
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: them because they're very heavily armed, and you can you know,

1038
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: get bad infections from all the fins and spikes on

1039
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: him and stuff. But you don't need a gaff from

1040
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: to get in the boat. In fact, one time my

1041
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: brother was jigging and someone had on a fish in

1042
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: deep water and the fish came off halfway up. They

1043
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: lose the fish, so like, oh, you know, fish got off,

1044
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: come unbuttoned, and a while later he realizes upcoms up

1045
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: floats the yellow eye. Yeah, I just kept it got off,

1046
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: but it was too late and it floated to the surface.

1047
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: So if you by catch that what guys used, Yes,

1048
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: let me let me explain. Let me let me because

1049
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of steps to this a thing

1050
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: that people used to do is take a needle, and

1051
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: you could take a needle and vent the swim bladder,

1052
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: and people used to use that as a way to

1053
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: release rock fishes. You'd vent the swim bladder and turn

1054
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: the fish loose. But because it's there's confusion because the

1055
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: stomach is sticking out of his mouth, people were puncturing

1056
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: the fish's stomachs thinking they were venting the swim bladder.

1057
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: And then I think that's almost like like virtually guaranteed

1058
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: death to the fish. Then someone comes up with the

1059
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: idea of a deep water release mechanism, which imagine that

1060
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: you take a imagine to take a lead headed jig.

1061
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: Let's just say just for to visualize this, you take

1062
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: a lead headed jig, file away or pinch off the barb,

1063
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: and tie a line to the bend in the hook. Okay,

1064
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: so tie a line, tie your line mid gate, right

1065
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: in the bend of the hook, and you just pricked

1066
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: the hook into the fish's mouth. And you gotta let

1067
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: a jig tied to your rod, but instead of tying

1068
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: it to the eye of the jig, you're tying to

1069
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 1: the bend a hook. Prick the fish in his mouth

1070
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: and drop the jig in the water and let that

1071
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: lead headed jig carry that fish all the way. Soon

1072
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: as you catch, send it right back down on a

1073
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: quick release mechanism. Let that leadheaded jig carry all the

1074
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: way down to the bottom of the ocean and then

1075
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: jerk the rod, do a dirt myth hooks at pull

1076
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: the hook back out of the fish. That is like

1077
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: a nineties percent recovery rate. That's crazy. And how do

1078
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: they even know because it's like once they're down there,

1079
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: they put a marker on, put a put a transmitter

1080
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: on it, and see if he keeps moving around so

1081
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: he'll readjust to that pressure and send him back down

1082
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: the same way when a diver has the bends, they

1083
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: put him in a compression just but visually looking at

1084
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: like a yellow while you pull up. It's like hard

1085
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: di visuals heart. Yeah, he'd go back to his little home.

1086
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: This is where it gets interesting with with like I said,

1087
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: like drawing up fishing regulations. So you got this thing

1088
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: where you have like high mortality of a fish and

1089
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: catch release isn't really an option. And that's where you

1090
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: getting the honor system. Because when you're fit, when you're

1091
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: intentionally fishing rockfish. You are not allowed to size grade

1092
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: your rock fish. If you're intentionally fishing rock fish and

1093
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: you're thinking you're gonna catch a fifteen pound yellow eye

1094
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: and you drop that jig down and pull up a

1095
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: nine inch quillback rock fish, you've hit your daily bang

1096
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 1: a limit and you have to stop fishing rock fish.

1097
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: You cannot be like ship, It's not not what I

1098
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: was after. It's like that fish goes in your box

1099
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: and you're done intentionally fishing rockfish. So it makes you

1100
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: if you're trying to catch a yellow eye, it makes

1101
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: you fish way deep where you know there's noe risk

1102
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have some little dank or quill latch

1103
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: onto your jig, and then you're shut down because you're

1104
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: only allowed one rock fish a day. So then people

1105
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: are like, well, who would know, because like if you

1106
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: go catch, like if you're out fishing and you're intentionally

1107
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: catch yellow eye and you throw them in your boat,

1108
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: and then later you're doing whatever fish and halibit perfect

1109
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: legally targeting halibit and you pull up a yellow eye, Yeah,

1110
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: then you need to send them back down on a

1111
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: deep release mechanism when they have them like charter vessels

1112
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: have to have a deep release mechanism. They haven't made

1113
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: it yet that recreational anglers need to have a deep

1114
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: release mechanism on board. It's probably coming, but you can

1115
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: make one from scratch and seconds. All the time we've

1116
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: spent out there, that we rarely would have needed one,

1117
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: because it seems like once we limit, man, we just

1118
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: get off that kind of fishing and you're going to

1119
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: do something else. It can't happen. I mean, you know,

1120
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: you catch. I've seen a lot of a lot of

1121
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: rocks caught, but I never would go out and like

1122
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: jig rocks and then go set up for halibit. I'm

1123
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: to go out and set up for halibit, and then

1124
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: if we catch the limited halbit or it's not happening

1125
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: or you get blown off the water, then be like, well,

1126
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: before we go in, let's go jig up a quill back.

1127
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 1: That's cool. You got those very ages, jig up silver

1128
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: gray or whatever you know, and catch them on the

1129
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: way in. But yeah, I'm pretty careful to not be

1130
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: in a situation from out there having to like trying

1131
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: to like resuscitate and release. But your fisheries bilogist buddy

1132
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: Dan thinks that the one to day thing is over

1133
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: the top, too restrictive. Yeah that's what he well, yeah

1134
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: he thinks that because he's like that just seems to

1135
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: be in his mind. Thousands a lot of yellow eyes,

1136
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: and it just depends. It depends on the day because

1137
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: it's like we didn't Some days you go and it's

1138
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: just game on. Yeah, we couldn't find them during Sometimes

1139
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: you go look for you can't find it. But we

1140
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: couldn't find any fish that day. It was the solar eclipse.

1141
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: Super tied. I got that big quill back, silver quel back,

1142
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: the clips yea, cool backs are abundant. Yeah, you know,

1143
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: and we all did. We all got let's just say

1144
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,479
Speaker 1: a bund them. But they're not hurting like yellow eyes.

1145
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: The reason yellow eyes are hurting is there's such like

1146
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: they're so old and loaf of coundity. Yeah, you can't

1147
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: they're they're so like it's such a slow metabolism fish.

1148
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: You can't bleed them when you cut their gills. Their

1149
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: heart isn't pounding enough to push their own damn blood out.

1150
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: You cut the yellow eyes gills and nothing comes out

1151
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: of that thing. Just chilling. Yeah, but you do want

1152
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: to bleed salmon. Yes, commercial guys bleed them. We were

1153
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: bleeding them. Yeah. And when you don't bled them, you

1154
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: can you can tell when you go to flame all

1155
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: that blood stacked up in the tail. Yeah, I believe

1156
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: I like to bleed them. And you think ripping their

1157
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: gills is plenty. You don't need to like cut the

1158
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: throat there. Yeah, I mean I think it's just tearing

1159
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 1: to gill. Is tearing to gil. But it's like I

1160
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: don't put my thumbin air and ripped. It's like a

1161
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: brasive I cut him. Yeah, but there's like a handful

1162
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: of fish that there's a handful of fish. I think

1163
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: it's like generally accepted it's a good idea to bleed him,

1164
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: And there's something that just I don't think it's really necessary.

1165
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: I like I never grew up, like we don't bleed walwyes, right,

1166
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 1: like the white flesh fish. It doesn't seem like you

1167
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: needed h yeah, part of the thinking and bleed him.

1168
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like I don't know, maybe like a

1169
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: lot of it just maybe a lot of it's nonsensical.

1170
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: It's just like practices that you've developed that aren't like

1171
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: based on fact but like, you know, I never like

1172
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: bleed yellow perch, but I don't clean yellow perch and

1173
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: realize that the flesh is real bloody. Right. What were

1174
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: you guys talking about electrocuting fresh catching? E K G Man? Yeah,

1175
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: it makes what what do you laugh about the dirt

1176
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: thinks it's electrocuting. Yeah, I don't know that. It didn't

1177
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: actually think that it's electrocuting him, But he heard E

1178
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: K G. Main And now that it's coming back around,

1179
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: he's like, so you guys were talking about I think

1180
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: I know what's tripping dirt up. First. What's tripping dirt up?

1181
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: Is this? So he can explain the knie. Have you

1182
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: ever witnessed it? I haven't, but I've looked at it,

1183
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: look at a couple of you know, online blogs and

1184
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: processed photos as we like to calm, but series of

1185
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: photos that show how it's done. But for the most part,

1186
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: I think they they still do bled the fish when

1187
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: I've witnessed it by people who are believers, they bled

1188
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: the fish before or after as soon as they catch it. Yeah,

1189
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: and then then UK electric cut the tail. I don't

1190
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: think they cut it all the way, but I guess

1191
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: I believe it. It's connected by a flap of skin. Yeah,

1192
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know really what that would Maybe it

1193
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: gives you something to hold on to create an insertion point,

1194
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: like why not just cut it off? It gives you

1195
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: a handle. It gives you a handle. But then they

1196
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: basically take a stiff wire that you could look like

1197
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: stainless safety wire. Yeah, but it's it's stiff like it's

1198
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: got some backbone too, because you're basically gonna ram it

1199
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,560
Speaker 1: and run it up the fish's spinal column. Is it

1200
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 1: single strand wire? Like single strand? Like for instance, I

1201
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: could picture on a salmon you could eat, you would

1202
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: e k G man with a coat hangar, right coat hanger,

1203
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 1: straighten out coat hanger. That's a that's it would be

1204
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: a good diameter for salmon. But I don't know if

1205
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 1: the e k G may salmon. I saw them like

1206
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: Helen showing her boyfriend. We're e k G man. I

1207
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: don't know if you can use that as a verb.

1208
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: They were e k G man. Uh black sea bass.

1209
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: I think fluke, which is a flat fish. Yeah, but

1210
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: because basically the lailoff, so now you're like looking up

1211
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: through the fish, you know, like from his tail up

1212
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: through towards his head, and so that cut now gives

1213
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: you a portal into his spine. You just run that

1214
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: wire up his spine all the way to its brain,

1215
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: basically through the spinal cord. Dude, it destroys that fish.

1216
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: Looks like they're getting electrocute. They just melt. There's no

1217
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: rigor you like throw a fish in like this is

1218
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: my my, my, my saltwater. When my saltwater mentors Ryan Layton,

1219
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 1: like when you had a sam you caught a salmon,

1220
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: gutted it, gilded right, and then put him on ice.

1221
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: He'd curl and rigged rigger. He was like, don't take

1222
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: that fish and flatten that thing back out because you're

1223
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: tearing myself. Wait until it relaxes. Then, laid fish don't

1224
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: like when it curls up and rigger, don't go and

1225
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: bend it back because you're just ripping up the muscle. Yeah,

1226
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 1: there's still a lot to be learned in general about meatcare.

1227
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: That's why when Ryan Layton goes to the goes the

1228
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: Pike's Place market and see them throwing fish around, it

1229
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: just makes them uncomfortable. Yeah, He's like, that's the what

1230
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: not good handle it just feels like it's like, why

1231
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: would you like do that to the fishes, mishandling and

1232
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: firing it around, catching it. There's an entertain that factor. Yeah,

1233
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: but he just thinks it's like abusive of the of

1234
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 1: the abusive of the fish, disrespectful to the fish. So

1235
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: now I think I think we talked with the support.

1236
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it again. I was in South America

1237
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: with on a river with amor Indians and they caught

1238
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: a turtle, big turtle they're not supposed to mess with.

1239
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: And uh was this Bolivia or Guyana years ago? Okay,

1240
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: the first trip and they e k G made that

1241
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: turtle with It wasn't willow, but imagine the willow switch

1242
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: debarked and sharpened and the e k G made the

1243
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: turtle rapp his backbone and doing it was amazing because

1244
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: we when we would catch turtles like a snapper, we

1245
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: would chop its head and then you have to hang

1246
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: it up for a few hours before you could clean it.

1247
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: Does it still be? It just suck its arms in

1248
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: and if you pull the arm out and pull it back,

1249
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: you could get like cut and scratch from a dead turtles. Turtle,

1250
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: But they e k G made that turtle, and that

1251
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: turtle was ready to eat no rigor. The reason you're

1252
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: tripping it up with electrocution is they get a similar

1253
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: effect in livestock slaughter facilities by using electricity. So if

1254
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: you've ever gone into watching slaughter cattle and the slaughter facility,

1255
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: they hit it with a captive bolt gun or hit

1256
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: it with the twenties mag right, kill it. It drops

1257
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 1: to the floor. They put a chain on its rear angle,

1258
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: jack it up into the air, cut its juggler, and

1259
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: then zapp with electricity and effect. Once you useapp with electricity,

1260
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: it's safe to handle. It isn't kick in, it's carcass,

1261
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: isn't twitching, and it's just that carcass just melts. And

1262
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: then everybody can come in and like piranhas with knives

1263
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: and dissemble that thing in the next three or four minutes.

1264
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: Are you ready for a segway, Steve, You got a

1265
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: good one, I think, so hit me. People may start

1266
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: e k G MN deer by trying to shoot him

1267
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: right up the spine from the backside, speaking of which,

1268
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: oh you want me to? So I didn't want to

1269
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: get to this. I'm gonna yeah, that's biggest segment. I

1270
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: like that they're not gonna start doing that. But we

1271
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: did talk to you guy recently who who go who

1272
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: who goes for a similar e k G may effect

1273
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: by hitting his animals at the base of the skull. Yeah.

1274
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't like that at all, But I don't I

1275
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: head shoot. I've we've all made our we've all made

1276
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: our point about not like a head shoot or the

1277
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: problems the negatives out, the cons outweighing the pros on

1278
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:49,560
Speaker 1: head shoot. But the other day Yanni is talking to

1279
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: We're going up we have some Me and Remy Warren,

1280
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: who's one of my hunting heroes. We drew fog Nack

1281
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: Island Elk Heggs, and we're going up Uh to hunt

1282
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: a fog knack for Roosevelt elk and Um. We got

1283
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: to talk about rifles, caliber selection, and Remy had said

1284
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: something like being incredulous of the thirty oh six for

1285
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: a fog knack Elk because these these bulls are for there,

1286
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: huge funds, like a moose almost big freaking bulls pound bulls.

1287
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh man, the three wind meg is

1288
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: the way to go minimum. I wouldn't take no thirty

1289
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: ot six for this that's too slow and Remy, I'm sorry,

1290
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: I wish you were here, but I'm just I think

1291
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: I got it right right. Yeah, and Yanni was pulling

1292
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: enough gun. Yeah, and Yanni was pointing out. But the

1293
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: only is what explained you're thinking on this? Well, again,

1294
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: it depends on you know what grain bullet weight and uh,

1295
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: you know how many grains of powder you have behind

1296
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: that bullet. But uh, for this example, you can basically

1297
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: have the exact not basically you would have the you

1298
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: could have the exact same bullet. Let's just say like

1299
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: you're throwing a hundred sixty five, all of those can

1300
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: be shot out of both thirty six three wind mag

1301
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: three hundred short mag Uh you know any of the

1302
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: other three hundred, three hundred weather be This is Yanni

1303
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: Van's walls. This is like Yannie the gun writers. You know,

1304
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: if you let's just say it was the one sixty

1305
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: five because that's what you're shooting out of your three

1306
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: D wind mag um, I'm gonna guess that it's you know,

1307
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: thirty one hundred feet per second out of the mozzle

1308
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: and at the third six pushing that same bullet at

1309
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 1: to three thousand feet per second, you know, on average, again,

1310
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: depending on if you loaded it hot or depending on

1311
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, the you could buy a factory AMMO that

1312
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: could that could be pushing the same bullet faster or

1313
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: a little bit slower, but somewhere in the realm of

1314
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 1: fifty feet faster or slower. And so the difference between

1315
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 1: the odds six and the three inner wind MAAG is

1316
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 1: probably just a couple hundred feet a second, which someone

1317
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: could probably sit there and lay down some real numbers

1318
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: and start talking about kinetic energy and impact energy all

1319
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, and and it might end up

1320
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: being a great, big difference, but you're saying it's probably

1321
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: not significant. I'm a believer that it's more important to

1322
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: have a rifle that you can handle and shoot accurately

1323
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: and not be scared of because it kicks too much.

1324
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: Put that bullet in the right spot. Why do you

1325
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: think people care? Because I want to get to the

1326
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: main point. Why do you think like people make such

1327
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: big differences that are like, oh, thirty six and it

1328
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: can't all be the same thing. Well, it's not, no,

1329
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's they're moving fast. That bullet is moving faster.

1330
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: That is the only difference the bullet is moving faster.

1331
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: There is no difference in the bullet itself. The bullet

1332
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: is simply moving faster. So okay, So if I'm throwing,

1333
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: if I'm throwing a hundred sixty five grain out of

1334
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 1: my three mag it's going at three thousand and fifty

1335
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: three thousand and fifty ft per second. That's what you

1336
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: just found on the internet. No, I pulled up my

1337
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: my ballistics calculator. H Yeah, and I have chronographed my

1338
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: six that hand load for when I'm shooting a hundred

1339
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: sixty eight grain barns Is and they're shooting, it's shooting

1340
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: those things that um like, okay, not a lot of

1341
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: difference at three hundred yards, and Elk isn't gonna know

1342
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, so this is like a prelude. So

1343
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: I got like a number of haunts. I'm anticipating this fall,

1344
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: and I have like a whole fleet of firearms, and

1345
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: I just like now and then get sick of having

1346
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: the whole fleet of firearms. So I was like, you

1347
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: know what, I'm to go down and I'm gonna just

1348
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: like I'm no matter what I'm doing this year, dear Elk, whatever,

1349
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: everything from sickle black tails which are like hundred pounds

1350
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 1: up to four hundred pounds moose. I'm just using my

1351
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 1: three not messing around all kinds of different guns and whatnot.

1352
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like, I'm gonna load up with a hundred

1353
01:19:53,400 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 1: and sixty five grain Federal trophy bonded bullets, and I'm

1354
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: gonna like, just just that's it done dinking around all fall.

1355
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: So go marching up the hill, and um, you know, Brody,

1356
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: we just like Brody had done a thing written an

1357
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: article not long ago talked about different people's choice, like

1358
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: if they only had to hunt with one gun, and

1359
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: what if most people it was split down the middle.

1360
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, Joannest and I are the thirty sixth

1361
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: side of things, and you and cow were the three

1362
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: hundred side of things. And I think, you know, you're

1363
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: not making a mistake choosing the three hundred. It's just

1364
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: in some cases it might be a little much, you know,

1365
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: But that's things. So my whole like one gun deal

1366
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 1: right now, we go marching up and we uh post

1367
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: up on a glass and tip and we find that

1368
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: that night, you know, we got mauled by flies, bad

1369
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,959
Speaker 1: maul So where my hands are still like not comfortable,

1370
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: got mauled by flies and glassed up a few doughs,

1371
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: a handful of dolls, one of which may have been

1372
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: a little spiker, and then Dirt got his big spot,

1373
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: kept the ball rolling, slept in our tents, woke up

1374
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: all fogging, and you said that night. Aren't out at night,

1375
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: and Yanni didn't believe me. Sure enough, the next morning,

1376
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: I have found in hunting the alpine, and like hunting

1377
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: the alpine for sick of black tails, the evening is

1378
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: not and it should not be considered an indicator of

1379
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: whether you're in a good zone or not. I don't

1380
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: know why. I see a lot more dear, and in

1381
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: fact we saw five or six at night. And now

1382
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know what, I know, we're looking at

1383
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of dolls, and there's a lot more dear around.

1384
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: I find you they're just popping. The morning and it

1385
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: was a different story, like some little negative nancy thing,

1386
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: he said. And I remember I got up and it

1387
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: wasn't quite dark yet, and I gathered up my loot

1388
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: and I was like, see boys in the morning, and

1389
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 1: it was a cool but good you quit, you go

1390
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: to the bed so I crawled my tent and sleep

1391
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: and then wake up, wake up at daybreak, it's all

1392
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 1: foggy and rainy. I had a cup of coffee, go

1393
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: over to the glass and tip and just start just

1394
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: pounding deer, buck after buck after buck after all. Hard

1395
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,839
Speaker 1: to find a dough the next morning, breaking deer everywhere.

1396
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: So me and were already split off, and I got

1397
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm a one rifle man. That brings up another funny thing.

1398
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: We actually talked about that that morning because I remember

1399
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: there was a guy we had on the show one

1400
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: time who said, like he's got like, oh shotgun. He's like,

1401
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: beware of the man with one. Right. I'm like, dude,

1402
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 1: the guys I'm scared of the guys that got a

1403
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: ship load of guns that can shoot them all. You know.

1404
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: It's like the guys I know that shoot the best

1405
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: when I stay scared of, I mean, like the guys

1406
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: I know that are the best shots tend to have

1407
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,600
Speaker 1: like a whole bunch of guns. Like you know, I

1408
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: like to shoot, like regarding myself a fairly good shot,

1409
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: and I got quite a collection. So um, yeah, I

1410
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: think it's just like a thing people like to think.

1411
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: But so yeah, neither is true. Whether you have one

1412
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: gun or a hundred guns, neither makes you a good

1413
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: marksman or or a good shot or you know, a

1414
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: good hunter. It all depends on how much you're shooting

1415
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: and practicing with the one gun or the hundred guns.

1416
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: Fenty of dudes with a hundred guns that those things

1417
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: just sitting saves safe. But it's like one of those

1418
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: like simple man mantras, y see where are the man

1419
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: with one guns? Nice? So yeah, me and bre already

1420
01:23:54,400 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: split off and we get up and we're three yards

1421
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: from a buck when glassed him at like six hundred

1422
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: and then you know, I moved in. Yeah, I got

1423
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: over there and I hit the deer in the rib cage,

1424
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: a couple of ribs up from the back down. I'm

1425
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: laying down prone. He's quartering away very slightly. There's a

1426
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: little bit of obstruction over his shoulder from some brush,

1427
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: so I shied away from that a little teensy bit. Mhm, No,

1428
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: it's more like, right, I remember my gun jumped up,

1429
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 1: my my big heavy hitter, right thing like talk about

1430
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: hooks at that thing. Remember the gun had like come

1431
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 1: back down and I was trying to see through the

1432
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: scope what had happened when I founally heard the right

1433
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: so new We hit him, yeah in the ribs. All

1434
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 1: thrips go there, and ah, he's still run off a

1435
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 1: little way. Not much blood, yeah he went no blood

1436
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: run off twenty yards and no, like real small entry

1437
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 1: hole through the ribs, small small and shouldered ribs, small eggs,

1438
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: the whole size of piece behind the show opposite should

1439
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: Everything looks cool, Everyone looks cool. We dragged the deer

1440
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: up to try to get out of the wind a

1441
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: little bit, and as we're dragging it, I'm starting to

1442
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: smell that there's like, ah gut shot type situation going

1443
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: on even though we're up in the ribs dragging around,

1444
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna like pull out the cutler

1445
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: and start working magic on the deer and get to

1446
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: working on it. And it's just like way like a

1447
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: lot out of damage, man, And I think I was

1448
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: just gonna say, upawn his autopsy the right word. We yeah,

1449
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: we did like a little bit of sexual a little

1450
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: you know. We we know we can say exactly the

1451
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 1: path of the bullet, you know, like in the placement,

1452
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: and it was it was ahead of the diaphragm, like

1453
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: you said two or three ribs and angled is such

1454
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: that it it still came out behind the opposing shoulder.

1455
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: It did not hit intestine or no, no, but it

1456
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: also did It wasn't angled so much either that you know,

1457
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: you like would have gone hit the opposing shoulder right

1458
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: like it exited behind the shoulder, so it gives you

1459
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: just a sense of where it was. So the path

1460
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: was like farther back in the whole vital area, but

1461
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: still ahead of the diaphragm. Both lungs had a hole

1462
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: through it. It was like excellent shot placement, is my point.

1463
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: You know, I don't feel like you were back. But

1464
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: that thing hit. That thing hits so hard and fast

1465
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: and big. Did it like yeah, burst the stomach? Maybe

1466
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: a rib bone went back in there or busted that. Yeah,

1467
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: because when that thing went in, even though you're on

1468
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 1: the skin, you have one small thirty cowhole. It bosted

1469
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: three ribs, but it could have just been that you

1470
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: tell me, honest, is the whole hydro static shock thing

1471
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: like is that a real thing? It's real? So that

1472
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: shock wave may have burst the gut too. Yeah, that's it.

1473
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: Not only did it burst the stomach, but I mean

1474
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 1: do you have a diaphragm that completely you know, separates

1475
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: the two. Right, Yeah, so burst that he said it

1476
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: didn't even its like wandering like ran off well, just

1477
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: kind of plunge down. It wasn't like a Yeah, like

1478
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 1: if you if you're if you're hunting, you hit a

1479
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: and you hit an animal. It's not always true. This

1480
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: is not always true at all, but in general terms,

1481
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 1: if you hit something in it like really quickly starts

1482
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: favoring like a downhill get away, you probably got a

1483
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,560
Speaker 1: good hit up. Not always, not at all always, but

1484
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: if it's kind of towards you in a downhill direction, especially,

1485
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 1: it's like he probably got a good hit. And he

1486
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: was when he ran, he was on wobbly legs, like,

1487
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: good about it. And then there's another indicator about that

1488
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: happened here that tells you about your shot is there's

1489
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: two other bucks with them, and so a buckets hit

1490
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: and runs because he got hit right, just runs the

1491
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: way as it tips over, you can't see, you don't

1492
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: know what happened if he has disappears from your view.

1493
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: But when those other bucks hang out, you know, looking

1494
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: down trying to figure out what happened. He didn't leave right.

1495
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: So these artwo bucks were very slow to get out.

1496
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 1: So it's like, had that one buck really been missed

1497
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 1: and ran off, He's not gonna stop run. He's gonna

1498
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: keep going probably, and everybody's gonna travel with him. But

1499
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: when they're like hanging out trying to figure out what happened,

1500
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: he's down. No, he never felt a thing. Yeah, man,

1501
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 1: I think he was alive like a second at most.

1502
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: But when we open it up, so even though the

1503
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,520
Speaker 1: shots through the ribs and in front of the diaphragm,

1504
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: everything up in there is just like stomach contents. And

1505
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: when I'm butchering, we use those uh those It's called

1506
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: a bench made steep country and it's got like a

1507
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: big boat, not a big it's a short blade, but

1508
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: like that big boat belly on it, big drop point,

1509
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: big drop point blade, and you like take that thing

1510
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: and usually if you get like if you hit something

1511
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: through the ribs, oftentimes especially on the exit side, you

1512
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: have like a lot of blood clotted stuff. Then you

1513
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: just take that thing and just clean down the ribs

1514
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: like match, You're just like scraping the ribs down, You're

1515
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 1: just like flaming it all the way. You just flate

1516
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 1: it all away and you just pitch it. But doing that,

1517
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: it's just like a mess. So now, but there was

1518
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: a sting of contents on both sides of the animal

1519
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: between the ribs and the hide and there like that's

1520
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: how much energy is going through that. There was grass

1521
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: like up in the shoulders, like just going You found

1522
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: some in the neck zone, like undigested stuff he had

1523
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 1: been eaten that morning. Yeah. Up, they had come out

1524
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: passed up between the skin and the muscle and jammed

1525
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 1: up in the neck area. Yeah, I'm not a one

1526
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: gun man anymore. Well, yeah, here's I mean, I'm Devil's

1527
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: advocate a little bit, because some guys are gonna say, like,

1528
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: so are you saying that you're animals too dead? Yeah?

1529
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: The gun did its job. It just did it a

1530
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: little too. Well. You're after two things. I'm after a

1531
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: sweet spot. If you imagine like two intersecting lines. Okay,

1532
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 1: one line is humane death and one line is meat

1533
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,719
Speaker 1: damn much. Now, I could have gotten a really humane

1534
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 1: death with a hand garnaide or like RPG or shooting

1535
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: him in the shoulder chevy. Yeah, but sure, humane death,

1536
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 1: but the meat damage line it's too high. Yeah. So

1537
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: you're striving for um, like for instance, with archery. Right, Um,

1538
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: with archery, it's like a way, it's a different trade off,

1539
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: very very minimal minimal meat damage. The quickness of the

1540
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: death is not as abrupt. So with archery you have

1541
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: a different sort of trade off. Right, You're like, meat

1542
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: damage is this minimal? Even if you punched through the shoulder,

1543
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: Like had I hit that deer in the shoulder, there

1544
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been either shoulder, it wouldn't have moved and

1545
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: you'd have had no shoulder meat. Whatso it this is

1546
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: way we had to trim out some bad shoulder meat

1547
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: on the exit side. So like with archery, like meat

1548
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: damage is next to nothing, virtually nothing, but quickness of

1549
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: death is slower. It's just like and then if people

1550
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: can bed, it's like okay, you know, screw you, it's

1551
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 1: just shorter. It's it doesn't happen as quickly. I'm sorry,

1552
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. It's like I love it, right, bow hunt

1553
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 1: is great, Um, I think people should do more of it. Ah,

1554
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 1: and I have and I remember the hitting the bull

1555
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: elkow the bow and watching it take two steps ball

1556
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 1: over dead like it does happen by saying like generally

1557
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: those lines get moved low meat damage lower, you know,

1558
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: humane kill factor. So yeah, you could it was too dead.

1559
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 1: I got something you should try, I think before you

1560
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: decide to not be at one gun from one gun man.

1561
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: Here's thing. It's like the part of being a one

1562
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 1: gun man's being a one bullet man. Yeah, okay, please, Well,

1563
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: big reason people shoot like a lighter bullet, like five

1564
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: out of a tuner win maggots because it's flat, right, Yeah,

1565
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 1: but I mean this is a rabbit hole you can

1566
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: really get squirrely with. But that lighter bullet is blown

1567
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: around by wind more so shooting winnie conditions, you're shooting

1568
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 1: like a two dan like he likes to throw those

1569
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: big two hundred higher ballistic coefficient, so doesn't get blown

1570
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 1: off a little bit more. And once you really get

1571
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: out to range, just the air friction itself slows down

1572
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: the one sixty five faster than the two hundreds. So

1573
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 1: at some point out there, like six hundred plus yards

1574
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 1: that the two d grainar actually might surpass the But

1575
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: that's like ranges that we don't really shoot game app

1576
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 1: at least you and I don't. But something to think

1577
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: about is if you went up to two you were

1578
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 1: to be shooting a bigger bullet at a slower speed.

1579
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: I just feel like if you went and hit a

1580
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: one pound antelope, cou's deer, black tailed deer, yearling, whitetail,

1581
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: I just feel like hitting it with that guns going

1582
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: two grains. I don't know, I think you might see less.

1583
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 1: I think you would see less, Yeah, because I think

1584
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: it's the speed maybe and maybe the fracturing of the

1585
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 1: front end of that bullet, which is supposed to happen.

1586
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: You know, with that bullet that you're shooting, that's maybe

1587
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: causing more of that damage that you don't like. And

1588
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 1: if you had a bigger bullet that maybe uh stayed

1589
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: together moving a little bit slower, you wouldn't have as

1590
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: much of that shock. Yeah, Like, I mean, I shoot

1591
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 1: animals with a fifty grain muzzleloader bullet, and you know

1592
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: it's not blowing them into bits. Yeah yeah, I mean

1593
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: thinking about shooting deer back home with twelve gage slugs. Right,

1594
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: I never killed a deer to slug. It's right, you were.

1595
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: I lived north of the shotguns zone, so we're Steve.

1596
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: When I grew up somewhere, I don't know, do you

1597
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: know what de mark case, I could draw it on

1598
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: a map. But yeah, but anyways, in the southern part

1599
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: of Michigan, I think it's still that way. Now you

1600
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: can only use uh shotguns for the southern third of

1601
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 1: the state, and um, yeah, they just poke a nice

1602
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: big hole. Yeah, you got a deer with a buck

1603
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: with a chotgun last shotgun and I had no I

1604
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: had no meat. I shot him close range, you know,

1605
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: so it's still probably holl And buggy, But I think

1606
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,520
Speaker 1: it's only coming out of the muzzle at like eighteen

1607
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,759
Speaker 1: hundred to two thousand feet a second, So a thousand

1608
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: feet a second slower that same slug was doing three thousand. Yeah,

1609
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: probably a different end result a lot more meat damage,

1610
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 1: but I had none. When you do gys talk about

1611
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 1: hydrostatic shot, we're tom I was the hit so fast

1612
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: that you have like the projectile passing through it. But

1613
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 1: then there's also the issue of like displaced material, like

1614
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: displaced liquids that are then pushed out of the way

1615
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 1: at such a fast speed that they become projectile like

1616
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 1: or caused like this wave of shock. And that's why

1617
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 1: when you hit something it just goes down like all

1618
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you hit something, it's just like down on

1619
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: the ground the shock of it. Because a slower velocities,

1620
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: you could hit something where it doesn't even register the

1621
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: hit and also in a couple of seconds later tips

1622
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: over from blood loss, but the actual shock of the

1623
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: hit doesn't do anything. Um yeah, man, I think I'm

1624
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I hear what you're saying, but

1625
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: I think like I think that I I made like

1626
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: a brief foray into being a one gun man, and

1627
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm foraying back out honna get me Like I'm going back.

1628
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: I'll have a little lightweight Deally and my little lightweight

1629
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: Deally is gonna be deer and antelope whatnot. And then

1630
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my big ball buster for Elchi mouse

1631
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: alchim mouse. Yeah. So is uh is damage? The meat

1632
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: damage like makes me sick? Yeah? Another thing you could try.

1633
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,640
Speaker 1: We gotta wrap it up here, but you could, like

1634
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 1: you could try those trophy coppers. I've had really good

1635
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: luck with that copper bullet because it holds together and

1636
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: I've actually shot him on the point of the shoulder.

1637
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Bull Elk. What was that shooting? When I shot that

1638
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 1: bull Elk? I can't remember now. I think it was

1639
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 1: my three short mag I was shooting a hundred and

1640
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: eighty grainer and it was like a two hundred yard

1641
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 1: shot not too far away, pointed his shoulder and just

1642
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 1: dropped him, just lights out, over and done, never kicked

1643
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: and h It had gone through both scapulus. You know

1644
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: it was high and you know, so there was But

1645
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: the point is maybe a two inch diameter made two

1646
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 1: to three inch diameter meat damage around the you know,

1647
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 1: the entry and the exit as it went through those

1648
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: capulus because that bullet is not exploding when it's hitting. Yeah,

1649
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 1: I had good luck with him last year. Those trophy

1650
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 1: coppers worked well for me, even shooting uh, lung shots

1651
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys will say, oh, you're saying

1652
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: you like those trophy coppers. Yeah, And I was leary

1653
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: of them for lung shots because they're just you know,

1654
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 1: you hear the whole, like making a little hole through

1655
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 1: the lungs takes them a long time to bleed out.

1656
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 1: But that I did the double lung shot on the

1657
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: mule deer and an elk last year and they went

1658
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: Those animals went thirty forty yards and died. Yeah. I've

1659
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 1: just had a lot of really good luck over the years,

1660
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 1: like using what I use, but yeah, including thoughts. Yeah, man, um,

1661
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to like jump in. I think one time

1662
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 1: when we were mooching. Next time we mooch, when you

1663
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: jump in with the scuba tank and go down there

1664
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: and just see how wild it really is. I think

1665
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: you could have stuck a GoPro down there that one day,

1666
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, I'm thinking about going. I'm not sure yet.

1667
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this winter down in Seattle doing my

1668
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: diver certification. Man, but this is also just seems like

1669
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: a lot of I might but also seems like gear heavy,

1670
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 1: just a whole other damn you know, like a whole

1671
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 1: other thing. I would be pretty up in Southeast Alaska's

1672
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: like there's so much stuff to do and you want

1673
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: to It's like you gotta like focus, you know, just

1674
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 1: see like a whole other realm, just that much more

1675
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: ship laying around, not a whole another pile of that stuff.

1676
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 1: Another shock for your scoobern get like tanks. I don't know.

1677
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm kind of dying to do it though, man. And

1678
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 1: I would dive down there too, you know, I would

1679
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 1: dive down there. That's it, Just that you want this film, uh,

1680
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 1: that's your complexion. No, just to see what's going on,

1681
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 1: because I think like we we everybody want take a

1682
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: what is this interaction and what the take looks like

1683
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: between the silvers and the herring, Like what's going on

1684
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: down there? And someone's probably already done it. Someone probably

1685
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: knows exactly what it looks like. Yeah, why aren't there

1686
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 1: nature movies? There's a million nature movies of pelagic warmwater

1687
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 1: pelagics pounding baitballs. There has to be nature movies. Maybe someone,

1688
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 1: if they know about this, can send us a note

1689
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: at the mediator dot com. But there has to be

1690
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:37,560
Speaker 1: videos of Sam and working bayball. You know those the

1691
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 1: cameras at the ice fisherman send down. Yeah, I wonder

1692
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 1: if you could hang one of those off a boat,

1693
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: let's see what's going on down there. Yeah, but not

1694
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: like some souped up underwater photographers get Yeah, I want

1695
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: to see a souped up underwater photographer film of salmon

1696
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 1: working bait. I'm sure I can see, like what the

1697
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 1: interactions like, do they just come through, do they hurt?

1698
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Are they corral? And um? Yeah, dirt too, they're quick though.

1699
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 1: One just speak on that. People made me think of

1700
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,759
Speaker 1: it as a variety of activities you mentioned the bare

1701
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 1: uh interactions we had this trip were phenomenal thirty yards away,

1702
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 1: like get hoofed at em barked out, having a stare

1703
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: down with with the rang one with a better foe. Yeah,

1704
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was something that won't leave me.

1705
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 1: The second one as I'm camping in my truck and

1706
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 1: I need a place to live. So if anybody in

1707
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: Bozeman knows of the rental or a caretaking ranch out

1708
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: of explain us. Now that's right. So Dirt, I mean,

1709
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: my gal, I want to help you out in this

1710
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 1: Dirt lives uh um those out of his truck. Yeah.

1711
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: When Dirt opens the door of his truck, you know,

1712
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: like you know that that little area like in your

1713
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 1: truck door where you keep like maps or a coffee

1714
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:58,679
Speaker 1: cup like, and there's that little lower compartment that's Dirt's

1715
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 1: medicine cabinet. So he opens up his truck door, it's

1716
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: like shampoo and deoder and stuff all lined up in

1717
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: that little tooth phased toothbrush all lined up. Now, how

1718
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:12,799
Speaker 1: long was your stint like as a real a resident

1719
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:17,759
Speaker 1: of an actual dom style The longest it is probably

1720
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 1: about a year and a half because you lived with

1721
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 1: your girl until when June and up in a place

1722
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 1: with a roof. Yeah, and then we're both and she's

1723
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 1: she's a great Well, we'll be good tenants or caretakers.

1724
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: So you're looking for a caretaking gig and you don't

1725
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 1: want to pay any rent. Yeah, I mean, now, listen,

1726
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: I will come in and say this or or or

1727
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: we would rent, but we just need a place in Bozeman.

1728
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: If anyone's got something, yeah, and I will come in.

1729
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 1: And I don't do this very often. I will vouch

1730
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 1: up and down for Dirt as being if I was

1731
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 1: going to have my place caretake, I would have to

1732
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: be caretaked by Dirt. Thank you, Steve, Because I'm telling

1733
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 1: you what. We're trying to change the gear oil and

1734
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: one of the outboards and cook at that that uh,

1735
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 1: Dirt's of yeah, handy, handy, handy. So I'm wondering if

1736
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 1: you want to be saddled though with that responsibility. Well

1737
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: it's nice, but man, physicians are full time, okay, But

1738
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Dirt has a job. Yeah, but Dirt just travels a

1739
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 1: little bit. But he's got his girl around to help out. Yeah,

1740
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 1: And and rental too. Were we just we're having a

1741
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 1: tough time finding a place out of town in the

1742
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 1: Bozeman area. So I figured you got, like, ideally, there's

1743
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 1: some joker out some wonderful person out there who's got

1744
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: a place that they're like kind of in a little bit,

1745
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 1: but not really in there that much. They would love

1746
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: to have someone there that was trustworthy, keep it up.

1747
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: You know Dirt's parents, Well, like I can vous for

1748
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: this guy up and down and screwed. His old man

1749
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 1: would come out and make it right. His old man

1750
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,560
Speaker 1: would come make it right in a hurry. Not that

1751
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: Dirt would have screwed Garrett House at our place while

1752
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: we were at a great job. Yeah, while we were

1753
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 1: on vacation home. And but the deer, he did let

1754
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: the deer get the garden. But that was not that

1755
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: was that was a fence problem. He just happened to

1756
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 1: be there when it happened. So sounds of bitious. So

1757
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: you got, like, this place right, and you're only there

1758
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 1: now and then, and you just want everything to be tight,

1759
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 1: and when you show up, you want Dirt to be gone.

1760
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: He can be, he'll he won't even be, he won't

1761
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 1: even Yeah, you want to be the smelling, and his

1762
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 1: toothbrush will not his toothbrush would be in his truck door,

1763
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 1: not in your house. And to show up and everything's

1764
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: tight and right and you're ready to enjoy yourself. Um,

1765
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:43,560
Speaker 1: so that was two things. You like running bears and

1766
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: having a wolf at you and clack your teeth out

1767
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 1: you and ship and then you liked you're looking for

1768
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: the place lift. Yeah, the winners upon us. The fall

1769
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,839
Speaker 1: is brody. How came you never plug our fishing clients?

1770
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Because I got all the clients that want really Yeah, man,

1771
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for seventeen years. I don't need

1772
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: to I don't want one more. Yeah, if you want

1773
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: to look at it, look me up, go for it.

1774
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: But how they find if they want to book you

1775
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 1: for Colorado fly Fishing, fly Fishing Outfitters Avon Colorado orvis

1776
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: But I only got like, no'll find Brodi Henderson. Yeah,

1777
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 1: but I only got like six or eight weeks a

1778
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 1: year anymore. You know, I used to do two trips

1779
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: a year. That's just not fun anymore. I'm getting old. Yeah.

1780
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:26,560
Speaker 1: I like to fish when it's like eighty degrees and

1781
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,640
Speaker 1: sunny and there's a bunch of bugs hatching outside of that,

1782
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in it really. Yeah, and your

1783
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 1: kids right missing out? Yeah, like I'd rather take my

1784
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: kids fishing at this point. You don't want to be

1785
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: gone all the time. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well there's

1786
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 1: an enthusiastic talk about a guy hungry for business by Henderson,

1787
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 1: But that might be the best kind of guy, because

1788
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm happy when I'm out there. I'm not that that

1789
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 1: might be the best kind of guy. He's not gonna

1790
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's perfect right now, it's perfect. He

1791
01:45:57,240 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 1: might be like, if you go him, it's gonna be right.

1792
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 1: If you can squeezing a half day trip between June

1793
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: fifte and July, I'm all about it. You're gonna catch fish. Yeah,

1794
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 1: all right. My concluding thaws that shout out to Matt

1795
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 1: Elliott because we had a thing I used to on

1796
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 1: the on my pocket knife. I used always like those

1797
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: pocket knives that had part seration, oh yeah, part normal tip.

1798
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Matt Elliott that bench made was kind of like he

1799
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like down on it. He's like, oh, you know,

1800
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 1: everybody has what they worked for him. But he suggested

1801
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,680
Speaker 1: to switching over and he took the I have this,

1802
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 1: uh you know, it's called a grip tillion. She's like

1803
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 1: what they call like the E d C, like the

1804
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 1: everyday Carrie knife. And I always had that serrated on there,

1805
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 1: and he took it and made it put it just straight, dude,

1806
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm loving that, just straight man, You're not missing this.

1807
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 1: So I used to, like I have, honestly that my

1808
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,600
Speaker 1: whole entire life, walking around the pocket knife that had

1809
01:46:56,640 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: seration on it, thinking I was bad motile, ready to

1810
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 1: cut some ropes, ready to like cut of rope. It

1811
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 1: like was dragging me off into a pit, right. I

1812
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 1: had to like cut it quick or else I die

1813
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:11,840
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, I think when you asked Matt about it,

1814
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, some guys like them, man beacon of knives.

1815
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 1: Though I got one more concluded real quick. I don't

1816
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 1: want to give the impression that we left a bunch

1817
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: of meat on the hill, Like we took our time

1818
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: and cleaned it up, and every just took went to

1819
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 1: left the heart my vacuum seiler, oh, really closing up

1820
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 1: the cabin, and I was like, you know what I'm

1821
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna um not leave my chamber seiler.

1822
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 1: Like most vacuum steelers are like you know, like those

1823
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,560
Speaker 1: little they're not a chamber seiler. Yeah, everyone has, like

1824
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, you put it on the outside and you

1825
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:53,599
Speaker 1: put the bag on the outside. I have like one

1826
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:56,639
Speaker 1: of those Western chamber seilers where it's a much better system.

1827
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 1: The bags are better and cheaper to buy bags for

1828
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 1: a chamber see, but chambership was a lot more expensive

1829
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: either way. I didn't like my chamber seiler sealed up,

1830
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 1: and I thought it might mill doing air, so I

1831
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: cracked it open to stick a uh a little piece

1832
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 1: of chalker, just keep it, just to keep it cracked.

1833
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 1: It realized that damn dear heart was in there, sealed

1834
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: like I sealed the last bag, like crapping all of

1835
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 1: our meat. We were like ceiling fish and freezer paper

1836
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: and red meat. But I was like, for whatever reason,

1837
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: back bag, the heart didn't find that, So there's gonna

1838
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 1: be a fermented heart for the next person that goes there. No,

1839
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 1: I had to pitch it. Oh, it's through it all

1840
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 1: the water for the crabs, because they've been sitting there

1841
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: for unsealed, sitting there for however long in the room

1842
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 1: to in the wood stole right next to it. A

1843
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 1: total stupid move man but I still got my liver. No, man,

1844
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: we did like a lot of meat salt. It's just

1845
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: like it was a lot of work and made me realize.

1846
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: But where is the man with one guns? He's gonna

1847
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:58,719
Speaker 1: leave a lot of meat damage, all right, Thanks for listening.