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Speaker 2: We put our pants on the same way you do.

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Speaker 2: It's a Friday. It's a meat Friday. Yes see.

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Speaker 3: I think there are a lot of people this morning

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Speaker 3: who put their pants on and thought of us immediately

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Speaker 3: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I use my Lou Holtz impersonation. They put

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Speaker 2: your pants on the same way we do. And so

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Speaker 2: I waited a day after the passing of Lou Holtz.

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Speaker 2: But then we started talking about how do you put

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Speaker 2: your pants on in the morning, and lo and behold,

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Speaker 2: it's either left leg first or right leg first. Paul

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Speaker 2: Y both legs jumping in fritzy somehow brought up folkrum.

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Speaker 2: Who knew? You know, we build up this great morale

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Speaker 2: the last week and a half or so, and it's

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Speaker 2: all gone to hell. Yeah, Meet Friday has really divided

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Speaker 2: the building. Yeah, there is some overt tension. Dylan has

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Speaker 2: been prepping for days and he said, hey, I was

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Speaker 2: gonna have some Indian food. I said, well, just make

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Speaker 2: sure there's some meat in there. It's a meat Friday.

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Speaker 2: And so he said, okay. He was prepping yesterday afternoon,

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Speaker 2: he was prepping this morning. I come in and I

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Speaker 2: hear from a couple of backroom guys, I'm not eating that.

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Speaker 2: I go, well, you don't have to, but let's try it.

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Speaker 2: Let's be open minded. We have buttered chicken, lamb tica, masala, garlic,

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Speaker 2: Nan and Rice. Who has it better than we do?

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Speaker 4: Pretty much? Everyone?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Who is the most concerned of the danetes?

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Speaker 1: Todd?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to guess this might not agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I'm very concerned about the menu.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm gonna like it, and I

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Speaker 6: don't know what's gonna happen after eating it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but you've had Indian food before. I tried a

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Speaker 2: little bit yesterday.

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Speaker 7: I had like, what like two little teeny pieces of

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Speaker 7: some kind of chicken curry thing that I put on

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Speaker 7: a piece of bagel.

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Speaker 2: But before yesterday, I've never had an Indiana Okay.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Todd is not adventurous in anything in life and

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Speaker 8: food especially. I'm surprised, living in Brooklyn he hadn't had

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Speaker 8: Indian food before. It's an eclectic area.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why we can't just have hot dogs

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Speaker 6: and hamburgers and pizza and meatball subs and called meat.

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Speaker 2: Forridder's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, yeah, I mean that

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Speaker 2: that's your food, my wheel, have your food wings.

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Speaker 9: There's a million things I would eat ahead of that.

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Speaker 2: Anybody else concerned in here, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know concerned is the right word. I'm I've tried Indian

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Speaker 3: food many, many times. My wife and my son love it.

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Speaker 3: They absolutely love it, and I've tried. I've gone out

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Speaker 3: with them many times. I've gone out with our friends

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Speaker 3: who are Indian to their favorite Indian restaurants and eating

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Speaker 3: food with them. And when I travel that it's when

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Speaker 3: my wife and son go get Indian food. All Right,

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Speaker 3: It's just not my thing. I just it's not my

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Speaker 3: flavor profile.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we have to overcome this. I've tried

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Speaker 2: it many times, though. I really have this on the

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Speaker 2: heels of a team building lunch. And now all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, this is a team disbuilding or dismantling. Something

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Speaker 2: has gone on, something's gone wrong off the rails. But

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Speaker 2: you know what, in my family, with my wife and kids,

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Speaker 2: you got a gold star if you tried something, and

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Speaker 2: of course I aspired to get a gold star. The

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Speaker 2: kids would be like, do I get a gold store

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Speaker 2: for that? They'd be like five years old, do I

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Speaker 2: get a gold star, Yes you do, Okay, I'll try it.

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Speaker 5: Did you guys do a clean plate club by any chance?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's big in our house.

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Speaker 2: a poll question coming up. If you haven't seen him,

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Speaker 2: please do. Victor Wembenyama coming to an arena near you.

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Speaker 2: He had thirty eight, sixteen and five blocks and the

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Speaker 2: Spurs beat the Pistons. San Antonio Is won thirteen of

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Speaker 2: its last fourteen and Wemby is the first NBA player

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Speaker 2: with thirty eight sixteen five blocks in the game since

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Speaker 2: Joel Embiid in twenty twenty two, and well the first

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Speaker 2: Spur to do it since David Robinson in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: no turnovers as well. He is a very, very fluid player.

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Speaker 2: It's not like your big guy can be a little

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Speaker 2: bit clumsy. He's got a great handle and great hands.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so does Joker. You know, these big men

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Speaker 2: have evolved that you want the ball in their hands.

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Speaker 2: They're not afraid to put it on the floor. They're

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Speaker 2: good passers. But I don't know who's going to win

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Speaker 2: the MVP this year, but Wemby's going to win it

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Speaker 2: the following year. Joker, to me, is the best player

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Speaker 2: in the game. SGA is the best player on the

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Speaker 2: best team. But man, you know, objects in your rear

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Speaker 2: view mirror appear closer. No, no, this object in your

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Speaker 2: rear view mirror is closer because Wemby is changing the game. Yes, Pauling,

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Speaker 2: he can't win it this year. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: could steal it unless Joker doesn't play in the required

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Speaker 2: sixty five games and or SGA. But after that, I

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Speaker 2: know people are going to talk about Kay Cunningham and

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson really really good players. They're they're not Victor

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Speaker 2: wembin Yama. Now that doesn't mean that, you know, somebody

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Speaker 2: like that couldn't come in and steal the MVP. And

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Speaker 2: this would be the first year that this could happen

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Speaker 2: because you have to have at least sixty five games,

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Speaker 2: so you might get some you know, Jaylen Brown with Boston,

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Speaker 2: you might get somebody who wins the MVP because somebody

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Speaker 2: or somebody's lost the MVP. But watching Victor wemben Yama,

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Speaker 2: he had to put back dunk where he had to look,

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Speaker 2: he had to look out for the rim. He he

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Speaker 2: leaned back so as his head wouldn't hit the rim.

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Speaker 2: But fascinating, you know. And oh, by the way, Joker

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Speaker 2: at a triple double last night beating the Lakers. I

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Speaker 2: don't know why I keep watching the Lakers and going

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a different outcome here, because that

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Speaker 2: Denver roster is not a great roster. It's not. But

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Speaker 2: I'm watching the Lakers and they're top heavy. And Luca

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Speaker 2: got another technical here, and we're going to talk to

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Speaker 2: Jim Jackson a great analyst. It just feels like the

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Speaker 2: NBA is turning on Luca right now. Like we saw

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Speaker 2: glimpses of him complaining before not playing defense, but he

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Speaker 2: was such a magnificent offensive player. Well, now the Lakers

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Speaker 2: they're on all the time, They're being discussed all the time.

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Speaker 2: People weren't discussing the Dallas Mavericks all the time with Luca.

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Speaker 2: Now everybody knows, Hey, you got to play the ratings game,

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Speaker 2: you got to get clicks, you got to talk about

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Speaker 2: the Lakers. Well, if you're talking about the Lakers, what

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Speaker 2: are the positives? Okay, Lebron has more field goals made

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Speaker 2: than anybody in the history of the game, passing Kareem

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Speaker 2: abdul Jabbar. Okay, now what do we talk about. Here's

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Speaker 2: another technical he's been complaining, whining. But more people are

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Speaker 2: seeing this, therefore more people talking about this. And then

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Speaker 2: it just feels like and Kendrick Perkins, who I know

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Speaker 2: is looking for clicks. But you know, even Draymond Green

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Speaker 2: they said, you know, maybe Nico Harrison was correct in

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Speaker 2: his assessment of Luca. Now I don't buy into that,

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Speaker 2: because you still got a generational talent. As a score

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Speaker 2: and a guy who can give you a triple double,

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Speaker 2: very good passer. He doesn't play defense and he winds, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we all know that, but what he does on the

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Speaker 2: offensive end. You can't give up Luca for Anthony Davis. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So he could be right about Luca, but you got

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Speaker 2: to get more than what you got. So you can

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Speaker 2: tell me, boy, he's smart to get rid of Luca,

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Speaker 2: but he wasn't smart getting Anthony Davis. He can't have

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Speaker 2: it both ways there. But you're watching Luca. Every call

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Speaker 2: can't be against you, like sometimes they might get a call,

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Speaker 2: right and you're a star, you get more calls than

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Speaker 2: other players do, and you're just watching and you're going,

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Speaker 2: you're selfish, You're making this all about you. You don't

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Speaker 2: get the call, get back on defense, don't sit there

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Speaker 2: and whine. And if I'm a ref am, I going

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Speaker 2: to acquiesce to you because you're complaining all the time. Now,

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Speaker 2: I think coaches get away with this, you know, far

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Speaker 2: more than players do. But the great players they did wine,

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Speaker 2: They did complain all the time, and it felt like

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Speaker 2: they would get extra calls in this situation. Like if

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Speaker 2: Draymond Green was you know, complaining, I'd go, Draymond, shut up,

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Speaker 2: you get another technical. Okay, we're not doing this, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I'd say the same thing. Get up, You're better than this.

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Speaker 2: Play the game. Yeah, it's like, hey, oh, how can

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Speaker 2: you not call that? I get it. Shaq could have

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Speaker 2: complained every single time down the floor, every single time

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Speaker 2: he was going to get found. But they can't call

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Speaker 2: foul on every play. But Luca has got to understand

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Speaker 2: be a teammate here, not an individual. And it feels

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Speaker 7: Yes, Marvin May, you see so many times when it's

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Speaker 7: a four or five because Lucas already back there. Look,

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Speaker 7: they're not going to change the call just because you're complaining.

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Speaker 7: You got to get back on defense. And it's the NBA.

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Speaker 7: An open three pointer that's a practice shot to these guys.

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Speaker 7: And so the lack of defense is because you're not

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Speaker 2: The ref Lebron had sixteen and with seven field goals made,

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Speaker 2: he passed Kareem for the most made field goals in

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Speaker 2: NBA history All right, we'll come up with the poll

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Speaker 2: question and we got our play of the day coming up.

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Speaker 2: Your phone was always welcome on this controversial meet Friday

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Speaker 2: eight seven to seven three DP show email address Dpatdanpatrick

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Speaker 2: dot com, Twitter handle a DP show coming up. I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about Jason Tatum. And when I was

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Speaker 2: at the Super Bowl, I ran into somebody who has

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Speaker 2: always been a great source with the Celtics, and I

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Speaker 2: just said, Hey, what are you thinking with Tatum? He said, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing from this person that Tatum will be back

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Speaker 2: at the end of the month. I said, man, is

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Speaker 2: that quick? So I did come on the air because

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Speaker 2: I trust both of these sources that he was going

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Speaker 2: to come back at the end of the month. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm a week off because he's going to be coming

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Speaker 2: back tonight against the Dallas Mavericks. But I'm going to

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Speaker 2: bring back what Reggie Miller had to say earlier this

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Speaker 2: week and listen to what he had to say about

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Speaker 2: Jason Tatum, the surgery and being able to come back

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Speaker 2: this quickly.

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Speaker 6: To answer your question, and you and I have kind

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Speaker 6: of talked about this when he should be back. I'm

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Speaker 6: hearing as early as Friday that he's thinking about coming back.

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Speaker 6: I believe they do play Dallas at home. I'm from

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Speaker 6: the thinking I would like to see him come back

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us Ian give me the Bills side

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think for the Bills it's fairly simple.

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Speaker 9: It for Jalen Waddle, right.

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Speaker 12: Didn't end up doing it because I think the Dolphins

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Speaker 9: That's a really good way to do it for Chicago.

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Speaker 12: I mean, fascinating trade and made for a unbelievable talk

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Speaker 2: And I'm wondering who goes first there, because somebody's gonna

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Speaker 2: try to understand the Patriots. Can I connect the dots

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Speaker 2: that Stefan Diggs released and then AJ Brown is certainly

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Speaker 9: They are connected, but not fully connected.

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Speaker 12: Like the Patriots releasing Stefan Diggs was a decision made

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Speaker 9: Diggs was awesome for them, a great signing.

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Speaker 9: With before the Super Bowl. He's thirty three years old.

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Speaker 12: They decided cut bait there, say it was a great

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Speaker 9: And then you know they're in it for a j. Brown.

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Speaker 12: I get the sense it's real. I know there are

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Speaker 2: What do you expect this weekend early next week?

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Speaker 12: A lot of tweets, a lot of tweets, a lot

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Speaker 12: know what generally happens is the trades happen kind of

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Speaker 12: early because teams would like to know going into the week,

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Speaker 12: like what do we have right like, so I would

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Speaker 12: say today and tomorrow, maybe into Sunday morning. You'll probably

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Speaker 12: get some more trades as teams clear space, as they

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Speaker 12: you know, get rid of some veterans, as they collect

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Speaker 12: draft picks, those sorts of things, and then you know,

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Speaker 12: we'll probably still see some trades during free agency frenzy,

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Speaker 12: but usually it's more just like very very quickly, a

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Speaker 12: lot of players get a lot of money, and I

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Speaker 12: expect it to be very quick.

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Speaker 2: Is the NFL still a copycat league?

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Speaker 12: As far as one team does one thing, another team says,

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Speaker 12: all right, that's a good idea, we should.

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Speaker 9: Do the same.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like the Rams with what they do with their draft

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Speaker 2: picks that they go all in. Nine out of the

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Speaker 2: last ten years they've traded their first round pick. So

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if they like are they

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Speaker 2: the model of consistency that people would look at and

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Speaker 2: say we would like to emulate.

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Speaker 12: No, I think the Rams have been different because they've

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Speaker 12: been in the window for so long. I mean they've

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Speaker 12: they've been to several Super Bowls, they've won one. I

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Speaker 12: think the difference with the Rams and like, you know,

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Speaker 12: not everyone else, but how many teams have really been

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Speaker 12: in the championship window for the for the last decade, right,

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Speaker 12: I mean, Chiefs have, Ravens have, not a there's some others,

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Speaker 12: but there's not you know, there's not a ton. So

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Speaker 12: when they've been in their window, they've said, you know what,

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Speaker 12: let's just let's just get this really good player. And

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Speaker 12: I think one thing the Rams like is they will

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Speaker 12: say we'll give up, you know, the thirtieth or twenty ninth,

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Speaker 12: whatever pick it is, because I think twenty nine, we'll

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Speaker 12: give that up and know that we are getting a

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Speaker 12: great player rather than the sixty percent chance of getting

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Speaker 12: a great player with that draft pick. Like they'll take

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Speaker 12: the certainty rather than the uncertainty. Some teams don't want that.

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Speaker 12: Some teams will say, I'll take the lottery ticket.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 12: It's like if I say to you, I'm to give

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Speaker 12: you fifty dollars or a lottery ticket, like you'd probably

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Speaker 12: be split on.

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Speaker 9: How many people would take each. So I don't think

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Speaker 9: it's a copycat league.

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Speaker 12: I just think the Rams generally are in the window

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Speaker 12: and they will take the certainty of knowing they have

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Speaker 12: a great player.

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Speaker 2: Help me understand. I've seen the headlines, and you can't

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Speaker 2: always buy into a headline. But is Aaron Rodgers holding

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Speaker 2: the Steelers hostage again? Or is it? You know, this

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Speaker 2: predicated on the Steelers. If they want to sign Aaron,

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Speaker 2: then they offer him a contract. So I'm I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to figure that out. And even his appearance on McAfee

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Speaker 2: didn't necessarily clear it up for me.

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Speaker 12: No, we learned a lot of other things though, learned

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Speaker 12: a lot of other things, a lot about his personal life.

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Speaker 9: I was not expected, But here we are. Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I would say for him to say there's not an

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Speaker 12: offer that he's considering, I think that's true. But my

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Speaker 12: guess is he probably knows what the offer would be, right,

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Speaker 12: Like you get to this point in your career. He's

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Speaker 12: made a lot of money, you know, I think he

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Speaker 12: was a twenty last year, whatever it was, Like, my

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Speaker 12: guess is it's similar. So whether it's been offered or not, Like,

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Speaker 12: he probably knows what it is. It's just a matter

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Speaker 12: of him saying do I want to play or not.

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Speaker 12: You know, my sense is it's the Steelers or no one.

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Speaker 12: It's just on him to sort of make a decision

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Speaker 12: and let.

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Speaker 9: Us all know.

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Speaker 12: And if you want to tell us all sorts of

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Speaker 12: things about his personal life and his exercise schedule and

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Speaker 12: all that, we'll probably take.

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Speaker 9: That as well.

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Speaker 2: The Vikings wouldn't be in the mix.

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Speaker 4: Heere.

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Speaker 9: You know, they had a chance last year and didn't

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Speaker 9: do it.

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Speaker 12: I'd be surprised if they did it this year with

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Speaker 12: the same exact opportunity presented.

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Speaker 2: Could you Okay, then let's do the musical chairs here

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray to Malik Willis throwing Kirk Cousins. I guess

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Speaker 2: if you want to sure got a feeling on any

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Speaker 2: of those quarterbacks?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I would say, you know, we've talked

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Speaker 12: about this. Minnesota makes a lot of sense for Kyler.

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Speaker 12: He's gonna have a lot of options because he's going

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Speaker 12: to make a million bucks, you know, because the Cardinals

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Speaker 12: are paying all of it, just like TOUA two is

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Speaker 12: gonna you know, make the minimum because it offsets into

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Speaker 12: his previous deal and that's all fully guaranteed, so the

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Speaker 12: previous team pays all the money and the new team

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Speaker 12: gets one of the best deals in the century, you know,

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Speaker 12: of the century. So Minnesota makes sense for Kyle. I

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Speaker 12: think a bunch of other teams is gonna be interested

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Speaker 12: in Jets will be interested. I mean, there's gonna be

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Speaker 12: a lot of teams. I would say for Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 12: I don't get the sense he would play for the minimum,

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Speaker 12: so his you know hit Basically, if he gets paid

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Speaker 12: more than ten, then the new team pays it, right,

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Speaker 12: then he gets more money. He's making ten no matter

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Speaker 12: what from the Falcons. So if he doesn't want to

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Speaker 12: play for the minimum, then there's a chance he just waits.

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Speaker 12: And he's the guy who if anyone gets injured, they go,

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Speaker 12: I'll take that guy. And you know, he's made a

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Speaker 12: lot of money, but he is an excellent businessman and

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Speaker 12: he always would like more money.

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Speaker 9: So I could see.

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Speaker 12: Cousins hanging around and waiting a little bit. And you know,

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Speaker 12: as far as too, I do think he's gonna have

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Speaker 12: options of just not just not sure where he ends up.

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Speaker 9: Landing right now.

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Speaker 2: And is mac Jones going to be available?

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Speaker 12: You know, I think everyone's available. Mac Jones is in

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Speaker 12: a weird situation of he played so well last year

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Speaker 12: and brock Purdy has had times where he's missed time.

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Speaker 9: So if you're the forty nine.

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Speaker 12: Ers, like I think they would do a deal, but god,

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Speaker 12: it would have to be worth it to where, like,

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Speaker 12: you know, let's just let's play this out a little bit.

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Speaker 12: Let's say the forty nine ers trade mac Jones somewhere

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Speaker 12: for a mid round pick.

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Speaker 9: Okay, totally reasonable.

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Speaker 12: And then you know, God forbid, brock Purdy gets injured

557
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Speaker 12: next year and they go.

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Speaker 9: Why did we just do this?

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Speaker 12: That's the fear, because if you're the forty nine ers, like,

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Speaker 12: they're another team that's in their super Bowl window all

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Speaker 12: the time, So it has to be something where it

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Speaker 12: is worth it.

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Speaker 9: If you trade your backup.

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Speaker 2: Quarterback, yeah, I wouldn't trade him.

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Speaker 9: You wouldn't trade it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, not this next year, because

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Speaker 2: there's no guarantee with brock perty staying healthy for seventeen games.

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Speaker 2: And I know I have a quarterback who could be

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Speaker 2: equal to him, who's the backup. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if any other team in the NFL has that luxury

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 12: Right, I mean, And that's this is the problem, and

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Speaker 12: it's like when you're talking trades, you're like, all right,

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Speaker 12: you know, we talked about guard so these guy's going

575
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Speaker 12: to go for three, this guy's going to.

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Speaker 9: Go for four, et cetera.

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Speaker 12: It's like you have to know that, you know you're

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Speaker 12: giving up a guy that you might need, and that's

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Speaker 12: always sort of the issue.

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Speaker 9: This time, it's really complex and interesting.

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Speaker 2: And Malik Willis it feels like it's Miami or Arizona

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Speaker 2: given the connections of Mike laflor to Matt Lafleur and

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Speaker 2: then the front office going to the Dolphins.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think he's gonna have more than that.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 12: Again, like he's an interesting case because he doesn't have

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Speaker 12: a lot of throws, but when he's played, he has

588
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Speaker 12: played awesome in the biggest moments. So you're not going

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Speaker 12: to sign Malik Willis and then say, what's he gonna

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Speaker 12: be like in the fourth quarter. You know you've seen it.

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Speaker 12: It's just not a huge sample size. Like I think

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Speaker 12: he's going to do really well. You know, I think

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Speaker 12: those two teams make sense. But it's really like one

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Speaker 12: of the more interesting free agentsies sometimes because he could

595
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Speaker 12: come in be the franchise quarterback. We all thought he

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Speaker 12: was going to be in the in the draft, and

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Speaker 12: you know, could be another sign where once again the

598
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Speaker 12: whole world gives up on a quarterback too early, and

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Speaker 12: then he comes in and he's Sam Darnold, you know,

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Speaker 12: holding a trophy like We've seen a lot of examples

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Speaker 12: of that.

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Speaker 2: What's the next contract going to be worth for a quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Like like Drake May, what's his contract in five years ninety?

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Speaker 12: I mean I would say, first of all, probably looking

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Speaker 12: at you know, you'd hope to do four years. You know,

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Speaker 12: Dak Prescott's still the gold standard at sixty. I think

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Speaker 12: whenever Lamar gets a deal done with the Baltimore Ravens,

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Speaker 12: which you know doesn't sound imminent, but you know, you'd

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Speaker 12: hope this offseason, you know, that might be the one

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Speaker 12: that either sets the bar comes close. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 12: if DA's at sixty, I think the next round of

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Speaker 12: quarterback deals you're pushing sixty or maybe more like but

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Speaker 12: the caps going up. That's what you want, right that

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Speaker 12: you want all these guys to get paid.

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Speaker 9: They all deserve it.

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Speaker 12: If you're you know, the worst problem you have is

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Speaker 12: also the best, which is you got to pay your

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Speaker 12: quarterback a lot of money because that means you got

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Speaker 12: a guy and.

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Speaker 9: That's a very good thing.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking time.

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Speaker 9: Awesome, good hanging man. Take it.

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Speaker 2: the MAVs, and DraftKings has the over under at twelve

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Speaker 2: He's missed a couple of weeks, a couple of phone

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Speaker 13: Hi erin, Hey DP, thanks for having me again. I

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Speaker 13: gotta take that. I think is more controversial than the pants.

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Speaker 13: For first, I just want to say, Fritty, I agree

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Speaker 13: with the I've seen videos of Indian street food and

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Speaker 13: they're like scooping up with their hands and that's just disgusting.

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Speaker 13: But my take is everybody that I've ever asked has

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Speaker 13: disagreed with me. Most people put their socks and shoes on.

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Speaker 13: They go sock sock shoe, shoe. I go stop shoe,

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Speaker 13: sock shoe. That can depend it if anybody wants to

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Speaker 13: want the.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's insane, insane. Yes, I'm it's sock sock shoe shoe. Yes, Bonly, you.

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Speaker 5: Should be on a watch list if you do your

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Speaker 5: shoes and socks like that.

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Speaker 2: Sock sock shoe.

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Speaker 4: Shoot.

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Uh did Cooper Flag play that?

653
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

654
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 8: In the Loss of Your Magic?

655
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, right, so it was his first game back. Okay? Uh?

656
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: Fresh in Milwaukee, Hi Fresh? What's on your mind?

657
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 10: What's up?

658
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 7: DP?

659
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 10: And Dan nets with DP. I think you did a

660
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 10: great job. I'm making a poll question this week. You

661
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 10: brought us some excellent nicknames with Grandma Mam and doctor

662
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 10: dunkas Stein and it got me to think, and what

663
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 10: are the five greatest nicknames in sports?

664
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: Is it?

665
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: Air?

666
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 10: Doctor j Magic?

667
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: Well, it's the great one or the greatest? So Ali

668
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: and Gretzky I would start there and then work your

669
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: way down. I mean, Eric Jordan was great because it

670
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: created a brand, a you know, billion dollar brand. But

671
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: Ali called himself the greatest and lived up to it.

672
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: Wayne didn't call himself the great one. He was called

673
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: the great one, but he lived up to being the

674
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: great one. You can have a great nickname, you just

675
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: got to live up to it. Yes, MARVH.

676
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 7: I think Magic Johnson's the greatest sick name because they

677
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 7: call you magic instead of Irving.

678
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: Right.

679
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 7: No one's saying, hey, greatest, how are you? People say magic,

680
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 7: how are you? That's what I That's what I take.

681
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 7: When somebody says a nickname like Babe Ruth, no one

682
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 7: calls him George Herman. Yeah, but Babe in a great nickname. Oh,

683
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 7: I was just using it as an example as a nickname.

684
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: I don't know why. It feels like we're feuding.

685
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: You know what.

686
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 7: I think we're getting spicy because of the Indian food.

687
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 7: I think it just turned us against one another.

688
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: But I don't want to go into the weekend like that. Okay,

689
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: you're right, Dan, I love you. I love you too.

690
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure that did it feel

691
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: like I was piling on you? No, I have a buffalo.

692
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: I mean I tried to No, I.

693
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 7: Thought this was just good sports radio conversation.

694
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 8: Yes, PAULI magic is just perfect because he had it

695
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 8: before the Lakers brought him in. He went there with

696
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 8: the nickname, and he went to the right team and

697
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 8: the right style. If you ever said to someone you

698
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 8: don't have to be a sports fan, yeah, I just

699
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 8: ran into magic.

700
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: You don't have to say Johnson, and I would say

701
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: Paolo Bancaro.

702
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 13: Your guy.

703
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like my magic have peaked.

704
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 4: Well.

705
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: They were one of my up and coming teams and

706
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: then they just they stop up and coming as a team. Yes, Marton, Yeah,

707
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: that's still your team, right, they were. You know, each

708
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: year I try to pick out a team because three

709
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: years ago it was like the Cavaliers. I gave you

710
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: the Cavs. I gave you Sacramento. Well no, but I

711
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: gave you when they were a playoff team because they

712
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: had Tyrese Haliburton. See, when you watch these teams nobody

713
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: else is watching, then you almost become an authority. Yes, Paul.

714
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 8: When you type the word magic in the Google, the

715
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 8: next word that comes out as Johnson.

716
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: Okay, Larry Legend, nice nickname. Uh. Pete Rose was the

717
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: hit king, but you're talking about. That's your actual name.

718
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: Your nickname is is your first name to a lot

719
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: of people. Tiger, Yeah, Tiger is a great one.

720
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 7: I think Doctor J is up there too, because people

721
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 7: would just say doc.

722
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: Doc, yeah, yes, poem.

723
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 8: But doctor J's was versatile. You could call him doctor J,

724
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 8: the doctor doc. Announcers would call him different things. Yeah,

725
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 8: and he was cool enough to have that nickname.

726
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: And when he got introduced when he was in Philadelphia

727
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: was Julia's. They had this great uh pa announcer and

728
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: he would give you that Julia serving aving awesome. Yeah.

729
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: Uh Still seeing him in the airport is one of

730
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: the coolest things the last twenty years of my life.

731
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: It might be in the top five of just seeing

732
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: doctor J walk by me in the airport and being like,

733
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's Julia's serving.

734
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 2: And then it was like my kids were going, hey,

735
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 2: can we have permission to go and follow doctor J? Dan, Dan,

736
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: you see Dan? I know, I said, said, go ahead,

737
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: go ahead tell him. I said hello, because they just

738
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: saw doctor J in the airport. I think we were

739
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: at Lax and all of a sudden, he's just floating down.

740
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: The coolest stroll I've ever seen in real life.

741
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: Like a boss. Yeah, like a boss. Jim Jackson, Fox,

742
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: NBA college basketball analyst, and he's got Indiana at Ohio

743
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: State coming up on Saturday. You remember the first time

744
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: you met doctor j oh Do?

745
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: I oh, it was it was unbelievable.

746
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 14: Ninety five, ninety four, ninety five. It was an All

747
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 14: Star game in Phoenix, and I finally got it because

748
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 14: I grew up a doctor J fan.

749
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: Okay, I wanted to have the af ro.

750
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 14: Uh you remember fish to say at Pittsburgh, Yeah, Moses Guthrie.

751
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: That's that's doctor J.

752
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 14: So when I met him, and I was listening to

753
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 14: you guys talk about how smoove doctor is, it's unbelieved.

754
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 14: When he walks in a room, it's just like poetry

755
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 14: of motion. It and I still got the picture I

756
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 14: have when I shook his hand. He had some glasses on,

757
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 14: and it was just one of those moments where I

758
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 14: was like, man, I just met I just met doctor J.

759
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 14: And we've become really close friends, you know, since then.

760
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 14: So it's it's it's surreal. One of my heroes growing up. Man, unbelievable,

761
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 14: unbelievable human being.

762
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: And if I could attach soundtracks to certain athletes like

763
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: Miles Davis or Coltrane would have been doctor J.

764
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 14: No doubt it had been something real, smooth, dramatic, heavy baseline,

765
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 14: but smooth with doctors moving.

766
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: Man, he's still he's still like that.

767
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 14: Because you know, we got good friends, especially over the

768
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 14: time covering the Big Three, and he's a big cigar

769
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 14: smoker like I am. So just hanging out with him,

770
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 14: hearing the stories about back in the day. By this progress,

771
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 14: you know, through the A, B, A and NBA, it's

772
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 14: nothing like it man to this day, small a person.

773
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: Help me understand what's going on with Luca from the

774
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: standpoint of everybody feels like there's this is its open

775
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: season on Luca that he winds a lot, got another technical,

776
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: he's you know, doesn't play defense. You know, the it's

777
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: now being exposed because every Laker game is under the

778
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: microscope always. Okay, where where's this headed with Luca and

779
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: the Lakers?

780
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 14: Well, it's tough, Dan, because we're not privy to the

781
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 14: day to day operations every day in practice the conversation,

782
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 14: So you want to you want to take pause to

783
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 14: that a little bit and try not to evaluate everything

784
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 14: by what you think, you know, and see now optically,

785
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 14: it doesn't look good optically. It was the same thing

786
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 14: in Dallas with with Luca, with his body language at times,

787
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 14: with his persistent to persistence to always complain about files

788
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 14: to the official that's always been there. Now it's been

789
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 14: some other players that have been like that in the

790
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 14: past too, but with Luca now being with the Lakers

791
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 14: as well, expectations it just draws the ear of a

792
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 14: lot of people. Now, keep in mind, this is the

793
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 14: situation too because of the trade situation. The Lakers have

794
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 14: to figure this out with Luca. That was that was

795
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 14: one of the big things when when they the trade

796
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 14: went through, it was like, okay, yes we got the trade,

797
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 14: but the Lakers still got to convince Luca that this

798
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 14: is the ultimate and the final landing spot, you know,

799
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 14: to sign his deal. So how that interaction between he

800
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 14: and JJ he and new management continue to foster itself

801
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 14: is very important to the future of this franchise, okay,

802
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 14: because they put everything all eggs in one basket basically

803
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 14: by going to get Luca. So they got to figure

804
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 14: out a way to make it work. But it doesn't

805
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 14: look good optically with what's going on. I'm not talking

806
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 14: about he and you know JJ having some words on

807
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 14: the sideline. Players and coaches do that all the time.

808
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 14: That's that's nothing new. But partically his body language doesn't

809
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 14: look good.

810
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: Does it ever help complaining to an official.

811
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 14: In your mind as a player, Yes, you know it.

812
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 14: But sometimes you know old school officials, you know, the

813
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 14: earl Stroms of the world, the dig Vveda's, you can

814
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 14: go up and talk to okay, and they'll tell you like, okay,

815
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 14: enough is enough, this is it, this is what's going

816
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 14: to happen, or they'll tell you know, I missed that one.

817
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: Okay.

818
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 14: Now I'm not saying that today's officials don't do it,

819
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 14: but it was a different kind of relationship back then.

820
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jim talking to an official and whining to

821
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: an official, big difference.

822
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 14: Okay, what about yelling, because Mike yelled at a lot

823
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 14: of officials. Yeah, Magic did, Isaiah did, all the guys

824
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 14: you know, yes, yeah, Kobe.

825
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: Did, Yes, Kobe did, Larry did they Yes, Larry.

826
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 14: Did, yes. So but you're saying whining, and I think

827
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 14: with with Luca it's it's gone overboarding. A lot officials

828
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 14: tired of it, they really are, but they don't tack

829
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 14: him up.

830
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: So if they're tired of it, check them up.

831
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's on the on the precipice of being

832
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: suspended with his technicals.

833
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: Well, I mean sometimes you got to go to extreme

834
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: mad well what not. But you know what now, But

835
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: she got a text and he knew it. Okay.

836
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 14: And but the officials made it a point too with

837
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 14: Rashid that if you continue to do this, boom you're out.

838
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: They don't do that with Luca.

839
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: See the difference you think if they if they say, hey,

840
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: one more, you're gone.

841
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 14: Yeah, tell said Luca, Okay, enough is enough? Okay, one more.

842
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 14: I got what you're saying. You want the file. But

843
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 14: I could call the file on the other end when

844
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 14: you resin and we didn't call it. Okay, I can

845
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 14: do the same thing. Now, how do you want it?

846
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 14: How do how do you want to play this?

847
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: Okay?

848
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 14: I said, you just got to be raw and honest

849
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 14: with the player, because you got to give certain player

850
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 14: you're gonna give respect to. Then they deserve it now

851
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 14: that you just tell them, like now you're on my

852
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 14: butt for this. But I could have called this a

853
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 14: couple of times down here, and I didn't. Not that

854
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 14: I'm playing favorites, but I'm trying to let the game go.

855
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 14: So it's the same thing on the opposite end. That's

856
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 14: that's old school refereeing right there. That's what that. Okay.

857
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 4: So now, as a player, you got to make a decision.

858
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 14: Okay, do I really need to keep complaining and putting

859
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 14: him in a situation or the officials in a situation

860
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 14: where now they're gonna kick me out or give me

861
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 14: another tech? Now that's on me because they told me

862
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 14: exactly what is going to happen if I continue down

863
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 14: this path.

864
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: It's on me.

865
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: Can you make Luca play defense?

866
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 4: At times? He has?

867
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 14: But as a player, that's that that goes back to

868
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 14: not only just the coaching staff but his teammates. How

869
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 14: much respect he has to really want to play this

870
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 14: game at the end of the day, Dan, That's that's

871
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 14: all it is. And again I'm not saying, and I

872
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 14: don't think everybody's saying that he has to be the

873
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 14: best defensive player, that he has to be a lockdown defender.

874
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 14: But you got to give the effort. You just can't

875
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 14: lay on the screen. You just can't not run back

876
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 14: after you take a bad shot and not get back

877
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 14: in transition. You cannot not rotate over to take a

878
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 14: charge or step in and help your teammates. That's something individually,

879
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 14: that's something that you know, his teammates got to expect

880
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 14: out of him and vice versa.

881
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: He has to want to give that to his team.

882
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 14: I'll play with Steve Nash. Steve probably he'll tell you

883
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 14: he wasn't the best defender, but he gave the effort.

884
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 14: And that's what all teammates want to see, is that,

885
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 14: just give me the effort.

886
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: Do you think Steve Nash could guard me?

887
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 14: Oh, he'll lock you down, Dan, I'm here, get up

888
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 14: underneath you all day long. That one step you got

889
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 14: to the side, he'll take that away. He's sending you

890
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 14: left all day.

891
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna take him down low.

892
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 14: So I mean, not the first time that team got

893
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 14: posted up and Steve would be like hell double.

894
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: Which Jackson Fox's NBA College basketball analyst, can wemby steal

895
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: the MVP?

896
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 4: You know what?

897
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 14: That's a that's a great question because of the position

898
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 14: that they're in, right, I don't think he can this year.

899
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 14: I don't think it's his numbers stack up to individually, Okay,

900
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 14: individually to those of SGA, Jokic, Kay Cunningham now here.

901
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 14: Here's the difference too, is that I know a lot

902
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 14: of conversation has been about SGA and about MVP Most

903
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 14: Valuable Player Okay to their team numbers sometimes don't tell

904
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 14: it all. Steve Nash when he won back to back,

905
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 14: Kobe's number on that. Numbers on the back end of

906
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 14: that were better, but Steve's value to the team.

907
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: But that's what it was based on.

908
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 14: Kobe's value to the team SGA, even though when he

909
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 14: was absent Okase he continued to win. It's a difference

910
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 14: with Wendy when he out of the lineup. That's how

911
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 14: I think they just start to determine MVP. But I

912
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 14: really love Kate what Cage is doing. I mean, unbelievable

913
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 14: job there in Detroit. Honestly, you know, I would love

914
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 14: to see him be rewarded if they have the best record,

915
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 14: because his value to that team is multiplied a lot

916
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 14: by what he does, kind of like with Yo Kitch

917
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 14: at times, even though they weren't ten and six when

918
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 14: he was out. It's something about But I think Wemby

919
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 14: definitely is in the conversation. I don't think he'll even

920
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 14: if they get end up being second second best record,

921
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 14: I still don't think he'll get it this year.

922
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we have that sixty five game threshold,

923
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: and if Joker misses one more game, he's out. If

924
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: SGA misses a few more games, he's going to be on.

925
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: Would you be okay by default that Kate Cunningham, because

926
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: he played more than sixty five games, is the MVP, of.

927
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 14: Course, and that's why you put it in. I think

928
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 14: you know it's I want to ask you too, what

929
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 14: do you think about the sixty five game rule, because

930
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 14: here's my thought on this is that if you're going

931
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 14: to put that rule in, you have to let this

932
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 14: thing play out and have players understand that it is

933
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 14: a consequence. Now, sometimes it's not against it's not their

934
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 14: fault that they get hurt, but this has to be

935
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 14: it has to be a pain point to a lot

936
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 14: of players where they make it so that they are

937
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 14: on the court. So you can't all of a sudden,

938
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 14: after one or two years, just change it because now

939
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 14: it doesn't do anything. If the sixty five game rule

940
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 14: is going to be put into effect, and these are

941
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 14: the number of games that you have to play in

942
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 14: order to receive the awards at the end of the year.

943
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 14: You got to make it stick. You got to make

944
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 14: it a pain point for players that they understand there's

945
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 14: a penalty if I don't it here or can't adhere

946
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 14: to this.

947
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: You can't just all of a sudden change, I.

948
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: Know, but in all transparency, I'm the one that brought

949
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: it up to the commissioner that I thought that he

950
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: needed to have a number. So you had guys who

951
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: were going to play hard and if you're going to

952
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: be eligible for postseason honors, that you played at least

953
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: sixty five games.

954
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: So you did that. Yeah, oh, we appreciate it.

955
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

956
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 14: Now keep in mind the Players Association all of that.

957
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 14: They have to agree to it too. Is not something

958
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 14: that Adam Silf you can to just lay down the

959
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 14: law and say, Okay, this is what we're going to do.

960
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 14: So obviously it was discussed and negotiated and agreed upon,

961
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 14: and I think it needs to stay in place if

962
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 14: that's what they're going to do, to have players understand

963
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 14: this is the threshold on what you must pass in

964
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 14: order to receive awards at the end of the year,

965
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 14: and it has to stick.

966
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: I know, we're creeping up to March Madness. Here you've

967
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: got Indiana and Ohio State on Saturday. What was worse

968
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: that you were in the Elite eight and you lost

969
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: in overtime, or that you lost in overtime to Michigan.

970
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 14: It wasn't the fact that it was Michigan, because you

971
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 14: think about it, at the time, our rival was Indiana.

972
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 14: It wasn't missed. We beat Michigan twice that year. But

973
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 14: it goes back to the nineteen eighty nine Final four. Well, yeah,

974
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 14: final four. It was Illinois Michigan. Illinois that year beat

975
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 14: Michigan twice during the regular season. Michigan won that game

976
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 14: and went to the National Championship, ended up winning. It

977
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 14: just tells you how difficult it is to beat it now.

978
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 14: Them being us being in the same region was kind

979
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 14: of ironic. But when we watched that team play, there

980
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 14: was a different team than when we played earlier in

981
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 14: the year. From the first game to the second game

982
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 14: to where they were at. They matured, they grew, they

983
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 14: got more confident, and we had the onus was on

984
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 14: us because we were the number one seed to win.

985
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 14: No pressure was on Michigan. So yes, it hurt. It

986
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 14: hurt and not just because it was Michigan. It's because

987
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 14: we had a chance to go to a Final four,

988
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 14: to accomplish something that a lot of teams don't get

989
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 14: a chance to. That was more disappointing than actually who

990
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 14: we lost to.

991
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: Do you ever bring I see?

992
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 14: Okay, I still can't watch the game to today because

993
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 14: to this day, Dam, I'm hoping for a different outcome

994
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 14: and for some reason, it just doesn't happen.

995
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 2: I think you run it back? Can you get everybody together?

996
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 6: Yeah?

997
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: Man, that'd be an ugly game. Brother, it'd be an

998
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: ugly game.

999
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: But when you run into these Michigan guys, do they

1000
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: remind you no?

1001
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 14: Because I played, they're some of my best friends. Played

1002
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 14: with Juwan in Houston, played with Christian Sacramento. Jimmy King

1003
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 14: was a free agent, came down to camp in Dallas.

1004
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 14: Ray Jackson and I good friends. Jalen and I worked

1005
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 14: out in the summertime, did a lot of stuff. So actually,

1006
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 14: when they went to the Final four, what was that

1007
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 14: Trey Burtch here two thousand and sixteens, I mean seven,

1008
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 14: I forget when they lost to Louisville. You were in

1009
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 14: San Antonio. I was there. I was with the group

1010
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 14: I was. You know, they're really close friends of mine,

1011
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 14: and I respect each each one of them, man, I

1012
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 14: mean each one got the great guys. Man, give the

1013
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 14: shirt off their back to you.

1014
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: Great to see you, thank.

1015
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: You, Great to see you too. Man. Work on that

1016
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: post up game. I'm testing.

1017
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of Steve Nash. I'm not afraid.

1018
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 4: I'm just saying shots, shots taken.

1019
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you I shoot better deeper than he does. Really, yes, yes, okay, yes.

1020
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: We'll leave it right there. I'm taking that message to Steve.

1021
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: If you don't give it, I will. I'm telling the

1022
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: country right now, you are Steve Nash. Mid range jumper.

1023
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: Mid range jumper. Steve is what I called him. You're

1024
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: not out there. I mean great percentage from three point

1025
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: right right, just saying mid range jumper, Steve.

1026
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: All right, he's going nicky to death.

1027
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: They called me Danny deep, Danny deep.

1028
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1029
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 2: Jim all right, man, have a good one, Jim Jackson Fox,

1030
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: come man.

1031
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: He's not buying any of that.

1032
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: He thinks I'm joking. I'm joking. He hopes you're joking.

1033
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 4: I love that, all right, man.

1034
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: He thinks I should be joking right now, texting Steve

1035
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: naw He'll be working Indiana at Ohio State on Saturday

1036
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 2: with fonts