WEBVTT - Control the Narrative

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to okay F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, folks, if you are paying attention to the news,

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<v Speaker 1>then you are very aware of the fact that we

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<v Speaker 1>are on the brink of war, that COVID numbers are

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<v Speaker 1>doing well in the areas that were first hardest hit,

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<v Speaker 1>but that everyone is sitting around scratching their head wondering

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck the Biden administration is actually doing. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've had votes by the Republican Party that prove once

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<v Speaker 1>again that they are the party of insurrectionists, that they

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<v Speaker 1>are the party of white supremacy, and that they are

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<v Speaker 1>a cult right. They have censured the people two people

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<v Speaker 1>that actually make any fucking sense, and they are continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to double down on Trumpism, continuing to double down on racism.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan is you know, the latest celebrity that they

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<v Speaker 1>are embracing, which tells us everything that we need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have said this so many times that if

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<v Speaker 1>you find yourself talking to somebody who is, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a Republican, but I don't stand for these things, you

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<v Speaker 1>can no longer continue to call yourself a Republican and say,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's the laundry list of all of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you no longer associate with, Because then if in

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<v Speaker 1>a sensical world, well what the Republican Party now represents,

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<v Speaker 1>you no longer are a party too right, And so

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<v Speaker 1>you would think that there would be more people publicly

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<v Speaker 1>disavowing the Republican Party, publicly leaving right, that people would

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<v Speaker 1>be leaving in large numbers, except they're not. And so

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<v Speaker 1>what does that tell us about the state of affairs

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<v Speaker 1>in America and the state of white supremacy? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I am I'm working right now on a piece, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was harkened back to the twenty sixteen election and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking to myself and saying out loud on Canadian broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>television that this was going to be white supremacy's last stand.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when I said that, it wasn't as if, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be four years and then it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be back to quote unquote normal, Because

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<v Speaker 1>what we know right now is that there is really

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<v Speaker 1>no sense of normal. What we had allowed, right, what

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<v Speaker 1>we had told ourselves was normal behavior, was anything but right.

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<v Speaker 1>The disparities in health and wealth in this country between

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<v Speaker 1>races between genders has always been excruciatingly problematic. Right when

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about marginalized groups and where they fall right

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<v Speaker 1>on the political totem pole, we know that they are

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<v Speaker 1>always folks that are at the bottom. We also know

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<v Speaker 1>that there has been no policy, no measure, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>no fucking Republican president but has ever offered the American

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<v Speaker 1>people how we are dealing with some of the most complex,

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<v Speaker 1>right and layered issues and problems that we have. Their

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<v Speaker 1>decision is that you just ignore it, right, or you

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<v Speaker 1>erase it, or you gaslight people into believing that it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist. And so when you have then the alternate

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<v Speaker 1>party of Democrats who essentially are not exercising their I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know what the fuck you would call it

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, not exercising their power, not exercising their voice,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pretending that everything is ho hummed okay I

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<v Speaker 1>and that you know, we're living in a time of

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<v Speaker 1>just like political adversaries, and there there isn't the state

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<v Speaker 1>of our country and our democracy hanging in the balance

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<v Speaker 1>with just a handful of months to do something right

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<v Speaker 1>about those people who the Republicans say, you know, are

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<v Speaker 1>just participating in regular political discourse. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>political discourse involves shitting in the halls of the Capitol building,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, what do I know? I'm a traditionalist. Apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality here, though, folks, is that people are tapped out. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked to you, and you all have talked to

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<v Speaker 1>me about your level of exhaustion and your frustration and

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, being burnt out, being burnt out by

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<v Speaker 1>the discourse, being burnt out by the demeanor, and just

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<v Speaker 1>one bad headline after the other. But the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I consistently come back to is our future, which is

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<v Speaker 1>young people, people and wondering what they are thinking. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I can remember going into politics, right, going to college,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was on the heels of the Clinton administration. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that was on the heels I remember being in high

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<v Speaker 1>school and sitting around with friends, other friends that were

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<v Speaker 1>in you know, government and politics into it and watching

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<v Speaker 1>President Clinton tell the American people that he didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>sexual relationship with that woman. Right. It was politics was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not just tabloid page six fodder. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was exciting. It was exciting to believe that you could

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<v Speaker 1>participate in how this country shifts and expands, Right, and

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<v Speaker 1>that there was an excitement that was there. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>right about young people who are coming going into college

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<v Speaker 1>right at an age in our political discourse where it

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<v Speaker 1>is so horrific, where there is no conversation, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no debate like how do you teach this right now?

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<v Speaker 1>And what are young people, those eighteen and nineteen year

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<v Speaker 1>olds who you know should be filled with possibility. What

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<v Speaker 1>do they think about the world that they are inheriting

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<v Speaker 1>and growing into as adults. And so I'm excited for

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<v Speaker 1>you all to take a listen to my conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>returning guest, our friend, doctor Christina Greer, who is associate

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<v Speaker 1>professor of political science at Fordham University here in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will talk about the lay of the land

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<v Speaker 1>and where we think that democrats go. But as a

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<v Speaker 1>professor who has made it, even though she is a

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<v Speaker 1>tenured professor and an esteemed professor who doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>no longer has to take up these you know, freshman

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<v Speaker 1>politics one on one, classes realizes the importance of doing

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<v Speaker 1>just that, that ensuring that the people, right the professors

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<v Speaker 1>who are laying the foundation for the future leaders understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of politics are doing so in a very real and

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<v Speaker 1>textured way. And so I'm excited for you to take

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<v Speaker 1>a listen to my conversation coming up next with doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Christina Greer. Folks, I am so excited to welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to woke f Daily our friend associate professor at Fordham University,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Christina Greer. She is also a political editor at

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<v Speaker 1>The Grio. Doctor Greer, Christina, girl, I don't know about you,

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<v Speaker 1>but a month into this new year of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>I am feeling really underwhelmed with where Democrats seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be headed. I am underwhelmed with this administration and their

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<v Speaker 1>stalled agenda. I am underwhelmed with Senator Kersen Cinema and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Mansion. I'm tired of saying their names. I'm tired

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<v Speaker 1>of the gaggles following them around the Capitol like they

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<v Speaker 1>are so the second coming of the Beatles or Beyonce.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know which, but I am over it. And

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<v Speaker 1>just in general, as I keep talking to folks and

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<v Speaker 1>we are what eight months or so away from midterm elections,

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<v Speaker 1>people just feel over it, Like over the entirety of it.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no energy when you look at NBC poll

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<v Speaker 1>numbers for enthusiasm about midterm elections, Democrats are lagging right where,

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<v Speaker 1>of course the GOP is now surging because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to have an agenda, you don't need to have

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<v Speaker 1>any of these things. You don't need to tell the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to believe in science. You can just

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<v Speaker 1>spread lies and surge. How are you feeling about this

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<v Speaker 1>moment in our politics right now as we head into

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<v Speaker 1>the most consequential and probably the last midterm election that

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<v Speaker 1>is free and fair and open. How are you feeling? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe live in boring times again. I beg I try

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<v Speaker 1>not to get too personal with it, only because this

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<v Speaker 1>is my chosen profession, so if I think about it

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<v Speaker 1>on an emotional level too much, I will just stay

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<v Speaker 1>in bed, under the covers and go anywhere. I also

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<v Speaker 1>can't have a brave and exciting face when I go

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<v Speaker 1>into the classroom multiple times a week and try and

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<v Speaker 1>inspire a whole new generation of kids to actually want

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of politics, either running for office

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<v Speaker 1>themselves or voting or just being interested in reading the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are a few things that I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>contextualize for them and kind of remind myself at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. The party in power oftentimes loses the midterm elections.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just it happens to Republicans, it happens to Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>What is worrisome, yes, is that there seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>a malaise and a frustration and a real disdain from

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats because of what they feel as you know, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of unproductive administration under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. What

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<v Speaker 1>frustrates me most about this administration is they're actually doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of good stuff. They just don't per usual,

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats don't know how to articulate they're wins. So Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>are running with this message of they're doing nothing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, first of all, they are doing quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit under the constraints, but the reason why they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have big wins is because of the Republicans. The

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans are just saying, even when Joe Biden compromises with

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<v Speaker 1>us and gives us what we want, we still say no.

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<v Speaker 1>Or we'll say yes and take it, but then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell our people we said no, right, And so they

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<v Speaker 1>control the narrative in a lot of ways, and Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>are constantly playing defense to what Republicans, and they lead

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<v Speaker 1>these two bedraggled senators who are just lavishing their team

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of fame. And so you know I said this before,

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<v Speaker 1>and we live your citizens of the state of New York,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Shumer, I need you to get it together, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to sort of get your LBJ on

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<v Speaker 1>and like we never we should know who Cinema and

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<v Speaker 1>Mansion are to be quite honest, right, Chuck Shumer, you

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<v Speaker 1>should have gotten them together a long time ago. You

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<v Speaker 1>should have given them what they needed. It's called law rolling, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But what they want is attention, and what they want

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<v Speaker 1>is to sort of hijack the narrative because it's this

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<v Speaker 1>false narrative of bipartisanship and this false equivalency of like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>both parties are being obstinate, like no, no, no no, no

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<v Speaker 1>one party. The Republican Party is trying to take away.

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<v Speaker 1>As you said, this might be our last free and

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<v Speaker 1>fair election, because it's always an asterisk with free and

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<v Speaker 1>fair elections. Do you remember two thousand with Florida. So

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that Cinema and Mansion are aiding and embedding

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<v Speaker 1>that type of behavior across the country, not just in

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<v Speaker 1>their home states, lets us know that the message isn't

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<v Speaker 1>getting out like Joe Biden should be letting Americans know

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<v Speaker 1>every single day, this is what I'm doing. And use

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<v Speaker 1>your surrogates, right, Use your mayors. Most mayors in major

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<v Speaker 1>cities they're Democrats. Use your mayors. Use your governors. A

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<v Speaker 1>few that we have left that we're lost under Obama

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<v Speaker 1>and the state houses lost under the Obama administration. Use

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<v Speaker 1>them to go out and be the surrogates to tell

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<v Speaker 1>everyone what you're doing. And what you're doing is a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that we still have people in their homes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Biden administration. The fact that people got paid

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<v Speaker 1>real cash money to not be out in the world

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<v Speaker 1>during the height of the pandemic, you know, these past

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<v Speaker 1>few months, that's Joe Biden, right. And so they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>finding money in various ways because you know, we got

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<v Speaker 1>the money. Like, let's be clear, we're one of the

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<v Speaker 1>registrations of the world. We got the money, we just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to use it on certain people. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think my frustration is that the Democrats never articulate all

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that they're doing for people, and they're not

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<v Speaker 1>using people who want to be used. Right, tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what I need to be saying, well, how can I

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<v Speaker 1>be the champion so that we can get people inspired

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<v Speaker 1>to turn out in mid terms, because we know when

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans win in midterm elections, it's not because they have

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<v Speaker 1>more voters. It's because they use two things. One the

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<v Speaker 1>institutional mechanisms to prevent Democrats from voting, and then two,

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats just tend not to turn out in the same

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<v Speaker 1>rates as Republicans during midterm elections. And so that's how

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see, most likely this pendulum swing. But

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden and his administration have eight months to ring

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<v Speaker 1>the alarm to say just how dangerous this is. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's a simple but there's a type

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<v Speaker 1>of apathy that people have where it's like, well, we've

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<v Speaker 1>been on high alert forever, right, And then you add politically,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been on high alert since Donald Trump came down

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<v Speaker 1>that gold escalator and called Mexicans rapists. And then we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a pandemic, and then we've got unemployment, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we've got mass debts. Almost a million Americans have died

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<v Speaker 1>from COVID. Say nothing about people who are languishing in

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals and long term COVID people who were once healthy

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<v Speaker 1>and did all the right things, but somehow got COVID

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just never going to be the same. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you have you know, parents who are just like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm homeschooling, Like what I have a day in Algebraison's

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<v Speaker 1>ninth grade? Like what am I supposed to be doing?

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<v Speaker 1>So there's this exhaustion that Joe Biden is competing against,

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<v Speaker 1>this like global exhaustion. But for Americans, you know, our

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<v Speaker 1>middle class, I'm just gonna say blanket mid class. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna talk about the bla middle class just yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but the blanket middle class is holding on by a thread.

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<v Speaker 1>But we know to be black middle class is literally

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<v Speaker 1>to be one paycheck away from poverty. Because most black

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<v Speaker 1>middle class people we're in mixed class households, mixed class families. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we know we've got you know, good jobs, and

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<v Speaker 1>we may work for ourselves or whatever, but like we're

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<v Speaker 1>in a tenuous position. We don't have savings. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when our grandparents die, we don't automatically become millionaires. We

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be from families where we have to like

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<v Speaker 1>come together as a family to bury grandma. Not oh

0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.440
<v Speaker 1>grandma's house you know is in the white part of town.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's now we're two million. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that luxury. So this exhaustion that I think black people

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<v Speaker 1>have where it's like, oh, you'll save the democracy again,

0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:58.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I'm tired to save in this country. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>we understand why. I mean, I've got this candle of

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<v Speaker 1>Stacey Abrams behind me, right, and I haven't just because

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<v Speaker 1>I have the most respect for Stacey Abrams, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>also this reminder, like a tongue in cheek reminder for myself,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like, I'm tired of us being saint black women,

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Danielle tell us all the news we need to know,

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<v Speaker 1>Sat Professor Chrissy, you know educators. It's like, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what you good liberals, pick up the slack, do the work.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I said this, you know, on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast when I was with you and Terray, which just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when I was younger, we have this big

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<v Speaker 1>house and you know, companies coming over at three, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd ask my mom like, so what do I need

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<v Speaker 1>to do? And she would just look at me and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like look around, like I don't need to give you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know that we're about to have a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>people up in this house in approximately four hours. Do

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<v Speaker 1>not keep asking me what I need to do, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these trash canting to be empty. You know,

0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.120
<v Speaker 1>these bathrooms need to be clean. You know, get the

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum out, get the room, get the mop the dust,

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<v Speaker 1>mop the wax of lords. I mean, we were full

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<v Speaker 1>Cinderella up in that house. But I just think that

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<v Speaker 1>so many white Americans who mean well are looking to

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<v Speaker 1>black women like, so what should I be doing? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, are you serious? Like serience, right now, you

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<v Speaker 1>were asking me to help you figure out what needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be look around. Convince your dad and your uncle

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<v Speaker 1>and you and your mom that voting Republican for these

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<v Speaker 1>white nationalists, it's going to hurt the country in the

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<v Speaker 1>long time. Stop telling me that your dad's awesome, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's voting against my voting rights on a daily basis, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I talk to people all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like they think it's enough for them to

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<v Speaker 1>pat themselves on the back because they're on like the

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<v Speaker 1>good side of history. I was like, yeah, but your

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<v Speaker 1>entire family isn't, So why don't you do the heavy lifting?

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<v Speaker 1>Because they're gonna listen to this a little black girl

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<v Speaker 1>with a PhD. You spend that time, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you say so many things that makes so much sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean one like I could do an entire month

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<v Speaker 1>on the level of exhaustion, on the level of language,

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<v Speaker 1>on the level of you know what. Today, I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>in the mood where I'm like, here's the match, y'all

0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.399
<v Speaker 1>want this shit to burn down. You don't want America

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<v Speaker 1>to function in the way that it was. Woke up

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<v Speaker 1>this morning to hearing that the killers of Ahmad Aubrey

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<v Speaker 1>got a backdoor deal with the federal government, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to make their time in prison easier. I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 1>lynched a man in broad fucking daylight, right, But like,

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<v Speaker 1>but once again, let let black people wake up to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that not only is this country not equal,

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<v Speaker 1>not only is our politics and our democracy hanging on

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<v Speaker 1>by a thread. But like, you ain't shit right, It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter what it is that you do, whether you're

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<v Speaker 1>going out for a jog, you're going for an Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>iced tea, you're going around the block, or you're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in your goddamn car, right or like me, I'm a burner,

0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.920
<v Speaker 1>can't I just enjoy nature like everybody. Can you No, no,

0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.040
<v Speaker 1>you can't. And can you sleep in your bed? No,

0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that either. And I think that when

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<v Speaker 1>you tick all of these things off, and we do

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<v Speaker 1>it as a personal reminder, but it's also like with

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<v Speaker 1>every single one of those instances, I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>and lay down. Do you know what I'm saying? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of hearing about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>having all of these wins in the first year, but

0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.679
<v Speaker 1>they don't know, they don't know how to message you.

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<v Speaker 1>We just finished four years under Donald Trump, right, a

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<v Speaker 1>man that and an administration and a Republican Party that

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<v Speaker 1>has become so disgustingly cruel, so vicious, so violent, so

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<v Speaker 1>rage filled, and they have single handedly figured out what

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<v Speaker 1>makes their base tick. It doesn't matter that their base

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<v Speaker 1>is white supremacist, it doesn't matter if their folks are

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<v Speaker 1>oathkeepers or their proud boys, because they figured out what

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<v Speaker 1>makes them tick, and they give them all of the

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<v Speaker 1>red meat and all of the things that they need

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<v Speaker 1>in order to keep functioning. So the question that I

0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.800
<v Speaker 1>have for you, Christina, is that you know it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>enough for us to continue to say obial democrats don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to message is, particularly when we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>messaging being the difference between life and death. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a million Americans have died of COVID it because

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<v Speaker 1>of messaging, right, Like, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>but white people don't. They're not at the life and

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<v Speaker 1>death point yet They're getting little glimpses, right. Texas Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>are like what abortion Right, It's like, what are you doing?

0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, like they're little glimpses. But I've said this

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<v Speaker 1>before and I it sounds blunt, but I'm it's just

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<v Speaker 1>how I feel. White people don't understand the capacity of

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<v Speaker 1>white people. They don't understand what white people are capable of.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are a lot there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of white people in this country, good white people, like

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<v Speaker 1>white people who were either on the on the team

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<v Speaker 1>and like will fight for the cause or just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the ones Martin Luther King warn is about,

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<v Speaker 1>like the moderates where it's like, listen, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>stand in your way or progress, but I'm also not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put my skin in the game, like settle down.

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<v Speaker 1>But those two groups of people do not understand January six.

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<v Speaker 1>They see them as like, well, I mean it's an overreach,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I can sort of see because like those

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<v Speaker 1>guys are with my uncles, and like there is just

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<v Speaker 1>a I can see how they have a lot of frustrations,

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<v Speaker 1>like no, no no, no, you don't understand that, like when

0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.399
<v Speaker 1>you really read history books, because I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the part of whitewashing our history right, always done. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean CRT is just another iteration of it. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you don't understand the number of white people who were

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<v Speaker 1>killed in the Civil rights movement, either the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>had the skin in the game or the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>were just on the sidelines and weren't virulent racist, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's like I don't think that the vast

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<v Speaker 1>majority of white people in this country understand the extent

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<v Speaker 1>to which certain white people will go to burn this

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<v Speaker 1>country to the ground with them in it. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>care as long as colored people and immigrants and all

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<v Speaker 1>the folks that they've been told are stealing from them.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget that it's their own party. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>I use this quote all the time because it's so real.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why LBJ is my favorite president. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>LBJ said, because you know, don't forget he was poor,

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<v Speaker 1>he was from Texas. He used to be a good

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<v Speaker 1>old boy and then he evolved with the times because

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<v Speaker 1>he was smart and he felt like he needed to

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<v Speaker 1>whether he was genuine about the civil rights moving the

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<v Speaker 1>vone and right Zack in the immigration neck, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care, and I don't care. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>The bab brain he gave the pen to mart Luther King,

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<v Speaker 1>so here we are. But he was just like he said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can convince the poorest white man that he's

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<v Speaker 1>better than the negro, then you can pick his pockets long.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what the Republican Party is looking

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<v Speaker 1>at Donald Trump, like, wow, you unlock the secret code,

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<v Speaker 1>like you and your you know, thousand air status. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's like that frumpled suit, that cotton candy hair. All

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<v Speaker 1>that is an aesthetic to make people feel like he's

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<v Speaker 1>regular and he's with them. That sort of broken English.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he uses fewer words than mister t right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he is this person where he can go to

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<v Speaker 1>the dregs of society and make them feel good, and

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<v Speaker 1>even the wealthy folks, they can excuse it and say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the packaging, but I'm still gonna vote

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Right. And this is why someone like Junkan

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<v Speaker 1>is so dangerous because he's actually quasi educated and he

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<v Speaker 1>comes with the LLL being you know, fleece fast, and

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.280
<v Speaker 1>he says, if you're listening closely enough, he says the

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<v Speaker 1>same things as Donald Trump. He just says it in

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<v Speaker 1>a much more professional and educated way, which gets people

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for it. Because at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>so many Americans, white Americans in particular, who are still

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<v Speaker 1>holding on to this Republican Party. It's like, just be honest,

0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you care about money more than people. That's fine, just

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<v Speaker 1>say it. But I'm like, just here's to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>But and this is where this is actually where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to say something that I don't normally say, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't normally do Devil's Advocate and I don't normally

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<v Speaker 1>do both sides. But let me tell you something. What

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<v Speaker 1>I have realized and why it becomes why there are

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<v Speaker 1>days where I am just wanting to throw my hands

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<v Speaker 1>up is because Christina, both of them only give a

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<v Speaker 1>damn about money, right, And this is what I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know, do you go with the party

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<v Speaker 1>that says fut your face or the one that smiles

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<v Speaker 1>in your face and then says f you behind your back?

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<v Speaker 1>Because to me, that is right now the distinction between

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans and Democrats. Republicans are ready to lynch every single

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<v Speaker 1>one of us that does not look love and pray

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<v Speaker 1>like them. Okay, that is not white, that is not sith,

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that is not Christian, that is not like an avowed

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.919
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote real American. They're ready to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>every single one of us and put them back on

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<v Speaker 1>the plantation, the boat, the wherever, right out of sight,

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<v Speaker 1>out of mind. But Democrats with an opportunity to actually

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<v Speaker 1>do more. Right, you have Joe Manchin driving around in

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<v Speaker 1>a maserati, and you have Kersen Cinema going to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>to go fundraise right in the height of a pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have these people, even the policy the bill

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<v Speaker 1>right now that is going around going around the hill,

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<v Speaker 1>that is about, Hey, how about you don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>ability as a sitting member of Congress to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do insider trading. How about you shouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do that to get a lega and guess what.

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<v Speaker 1>It ain't a bipartisan bill because it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere because both Democrats and Republicans get to make

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>money off of their inside intel and so no one

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.639
<v Speaker 1>wants to do away with that. And so when we

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<v Speaker 1>get to this place where we recognize that we are

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with one unabashed evil and one that is fairly negligent, right,

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<v Speaker 1>then what do you do with the population of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and particularly with your students who are trying to enter

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<v Speaker 1>into this field when all you do is step back

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just like, this is just all about money,

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<v Speaker 1>and whoever gets the most wins, right. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>the difference is this, and this is at least what

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<v Speaker 1>I tell myself, what I trick myself when I tell

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<v Speaker 1>my students. Whatever it may be, there's still enough Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the country, on all different levels of government who

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>are actually working towards certain things. I think sometimes when

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 1>we talk about and money is permeated in all facets,

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<v Speaker 1>like in all levels, right, even when you're running from

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 1>mayor city council or whatever it may be. But I

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.479
<v Speaker 1>do think that Democrats, because we organize ourselves in parties, right,

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.160
<v Speaker 1>parties aren't mentioned in the Constitution. But we've always had

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<v Speaker 1>parties in some iteration because this is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we get politics done right, Because someone who just has

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.399
<v Speaker 1>an interesting idea isn't necessarily going to get elected. You

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 1>need a party structure to assist you. I'd much rather

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.200
<v Speaker 1>be with a party that's like, ah, well, at least

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to rip the whole institution away from

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 1>you being able to participate. Right, at least I'm not

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>going to throw you in jail for giving Danielle a

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>glass of water while she's standing online. Hey, maybe it's

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>actually not an inspirational story that a black woman waits

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 1>in line to vote for a Barack Obama for ten hours, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's im media's fault. But you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the Democratic Party is at least there

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<v Speaker 1>there are enough individuals in that party that are working

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.639
<v Speaker 1>towards like this is. You know, we're people of color.

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Republicans have chosen and made it very clear

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<v Speaker 1>the ninety seven percent of who they want to put

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>forward are white men. That's it, right, When you look

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 1>at the judges that Donald Trump put in a place,

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>when you look at people who are running and of

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<v Speaker 1>course they highlight their like random colored person, you know,

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the lieutenant governor of Virginia now who's an immigrant or

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Nicky Hailey child of immigrants, you know, like they have

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<v Speaker 1>their special Yeah, they have their token. Yeah, let's let's

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:41.439
<v Speaker 1>be whatever, but that they are who are complicit in

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 1>white supremacy exactly because hey, guess what, you don't need

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 1>to be white to be white sass, right on the

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 1>same way, you don't need to be a man to

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<v Speaker 1>participate in patriarchy colo white women, right like, And I

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>learned that from Mark twain Um and camp. But that's

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.120
<v Speaker 1>a whole other story. When I was ten years old,

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>so someone was like, how do you have this like

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<v Speaker 1>full understanding of patriarch and whit supremacy. I was like,

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I went to camp let sleepaway camp to be a specific.

0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So I say that because when I'm talking to my

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>students right now, I always teach intro to politics for

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>someone of my stature who is the associate chair of

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the department, I'm the chair essentially of the Lincoln Center campus.

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I am tenured, right, I've written books and articles. For

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:25.239
<v Speaker 1>me to teach an introductory course is kind of odd, right,

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 1>people of my stature would teach advanced leable courses. I

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 1>always teach intro every semester. That's the course that you know,

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>most of the time adjuncts teach. You know, like people

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>who are in graduate school who just need a few

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>extra books, and you know, they come into a department

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, no, no, no no, no no, because we,

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, usually teach multiple intro classes each semester. I'm like, one,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I like to see all the smart kids from the

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 1>other majors. But two, the intro to politics class is

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 1>your foundation of politics. I'm getting you interested in reading

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the newspaper. I'm getting you interested. I mean, my specialty

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>is American politics. But you know, I have lots of

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 1>people who are obviously interested in international comparative politics. It's like, well,

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:01.919
<v Speaker 1>then we can talk about what's going on in Brazil

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>or Ukraine, right and so, and related also back to America,

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>because if we get into an interaction in Ukraine with Russia,

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 1>like we ain't got no money, and Pootin knows that, right,

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and so we can talk about those types of things.

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I think, what's what is inspiring? I will say in

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 1>this moment, because you know I always ask my students.

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like Okay, so I'm talking about Barack Obama. I'm like,

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>how old are you guys again? And they were like, hey,

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean so they're getting younger and younger. Right, Like

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>when I show the war room about Bill Clinton's ninety

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>two campaign, they weren't even anywhere near born. They don't

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 1>know Bill Clinton. They only know Hillary Clinton barely because

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.239
<v Speaker 1>they were in kindergarten when she and Barack Obama were

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>duking it out for the Democratic primary. So you see

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. So like these important touchstones in our

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>political understanding of this moment. How we have to understand

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Reagan right, to understand Trump, How we have to understand

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the backlash against Barack Obama, to understand how Joe Biden,

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>how did you not think people werenk going to work

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>with you, like just because you're old and white? Like

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>thought that because he thought he was old and white, right,

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's like you walked into this black man for

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>eight years and saw them say no at every single turn,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>so like you just thought you'd be different. Okay, but

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, so the thing is I'm teaching kids who

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>they weren't around for that, because you know when when

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>they say like oh, I was six, and I was like, oh,

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>so you guys were obviously actively reading at the Times

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>every morning. They're like yeah, right between ball patrol right.

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>So like, so I'm also trying to contextualize the history

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.239
<v Speaker 1>of this moment because I'm like, listen, guys, you all

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>are too young to sort of be of the soap

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>opera generation. You remember, like, you know, we were days

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>of our lives and you know, like all those stuff.

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, so, you guys didn't grow up on

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>soap operas, but I was this is nothing but like

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>sex and intrigue and backstabbing and all types of stuff

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>if you sort of look at it that way. And

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to say it's a game, but I'm like,

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you should be wholly invested in it, because if you

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 1>don't want them to rip out your ovaries and give

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>them to your daddy, if you have student loans, if

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you care about the environment, if you have asthma or

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:02.959
<v Speaker 1>you know a sibling with an asthma, if you went

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>to a public school and you're like this place is crappy,

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, not all public schools are crappy. Maybe yours was,

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>but not everybody else's. If your parents had to take

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>out loans to send you to a Catholic school because

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't go to your public school. That's something if

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>you're in the military because you're trying to save money

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 1>to go to school, or if your parents are in

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the military, right and you're wondering if they're going to

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>come home. Even though we're not quote unquote actively involved,

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>but like, uh, stuff still pops off. So I'm like politics.

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I literally take a piece of paper. I'm like, what

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>is political about this piece of paper? And they're like,

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>it's literally a white piece of paper. I'm like, no, No,

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>somebody's trees in somebody's country or somebody's state got chopped

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>down by people who possibly weren't making real money. My

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>grandfather worked in a paper mill for forty three years

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>in northern Florida, right, and people missing hands, missing fingers,

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>all types of wage theft, you name it, because the

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>black people had to work outside and white people got

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 1>to work inside. Right Now, It's like then the truck's

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>going through people's communities and the pollution going through the bronx. Right.

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 1>So by the time this piece of paper gets to you,

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>all the political mechanisms and the global company that has

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>sold this paper company that is on the New York

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Stock Exchange, right, so, like everything is political. A plastic

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>pen is political, and you know, so I'm trying to

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>get them to understand that everything around them involves them,

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and doing that because I have this sort of this

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>privilege to kind of be at the forefront of people

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>who will be in the future, I'm a little less

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>freaked out the present is a mess. But I also

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>keep reminding them and you know, one of my students

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, you're the only professor who keeps saying this.

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I literally say every single class, we're in the middle

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of a global pandemic. Because we are because we are

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>because we are being normal, quote unquote. And I'm like, hey, guys,

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to extend you a certain modicum of grace

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and grandas still don't take things that are late, because

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:56.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm still got to teach you some lessons, right,

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>and like, I can't have you out in the world

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>thinking that everything's going to be you know, you get

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>time and a half for everything. You just get to

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>hand this stuff whenever you feel like it. I was like,

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>so we're still gonna have some rules and some sort

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>of standards in this class, but I was like, I

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>want you to extend me a modicum of grace because

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the middle of a global pandemic. I can't

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>see my family as much as I want to, I

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>can't see my friends as much as I want. You.

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen you, i'ven't given you a hug since

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 1>we're probably an MSNBC before the pandemic, you know what

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. So it's like, all these things that make

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>me whole, I'm not allowed to do either. You guys

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>are having a college experience that is not normal. You

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 1>might be living in a dorm, but it's still not normal.

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>So like just this latent pressure, yeah, that we're all in,

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>coupled with the fact that this is roughly around the

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>time the democracies die and we're kind of tiktoking on

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>that time period for America as young as we are.

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 1>But this is kind of when, you know, when democracies

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>tend to sort of unravel, the number of people who

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 1>were willing to help it unravel is scary, right because

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not like, oh, it's just a few bad apples.

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh no, got like we're orchards up in here. Yeah,

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>with people who want to cross country burns. Yeah, across

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>the country. And you know, again, you don't need to

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>be white to have one sremacy. So it's not just

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, looking over your shoulder for some hillbillies. It's

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>like oh no, no, no, Like they come in all

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>shapes and forms and colors and ethnicity and classes and

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>economic status and listeners. Donald Trumps still got millions upon

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>millions of votes, and he lost when he ran against

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden, but seventy five or seventy five million people

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 1>million people still, so I like what he's selling. I

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 1>don't care that he said Mexicans rapists. I don't care

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>that he's tried tried to sign an executive order. I

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>don't care twenty women accused him of sexual assault and

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>or harassment. I don't I don't care that. Like you

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>have kidnapped children with no plans to reunite them with

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>their families, and there are still hundreds that will probably

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 1>never be reunited. It's like I think that when you

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>say to your students, we're in the middle of a

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>pandemic and like democracy is unraveling. I feel like the

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>whole sentiment in America right now is just pushed through.

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, it's just keep this is where, this is

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 1>where a British this is where a British heritage is

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>not serving us. Well you know that sort of just

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>have a stiff upper lip, let's not talk about it.

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's just power through, you know, like the kind of

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the old school British style of like, let's not be hysterical.

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think for me, when I look at my students,

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>because I mean they're they're babies to me, right, I

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 1>mean they're eighteen years old, what I have to do?

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>And you said something key about democracy and raveling. First though,

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 1>I have to explain to them what democracy is. I

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>can't explain to them that democracy is unraveling. They don't

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>understand what this country is, so like their understanding of

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.320
<v Speaker 1>who America is and has been. Because I got to

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>talk to you about how she has been, right, I

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:57.919
<v Speaker 1>was like, you guys have always been told that she's

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>basically this Ritz Carlton or this you know, this four

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>seasons that had to give us some moments of history.

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>But that was so long ago, and it's like no,

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 1>no, no no, no, no, this is a hojo. This country

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:14.479
<v Speaker 1>is a motels. It is exactly right in the middle

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere. And you know when I tell them, because

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know how old they think I am,

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 1>because you know, ay, I'm black, so I could be

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.399
<v Speaker 1>anywhere between like eighteen and eighty seven. But I'm like,

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>when I tell them, my mother only went to segregated

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 1>schools her entire life, from k through high school. My

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 1>father integrated his high school. And I'm like, I know

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>that you guys don't fully understand what that means. But

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that means my mother was not allowed to

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>go to school with white people, like not just oh

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>she didn't want to and they lived on the other

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>side of town. It's like, no, no no, it was illegal

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>in the state of Florida where she was. So and

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>you have to say that to them in the context

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.919
<v Speaker 1>of this was not a hundred years ago, no, right,

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. I'm like, this was like we

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 1>love as a nation to say like, oh, this was

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>like centuries ago. No, there are people who are not

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 1>that old right right now that has very clear and

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>vivid memories. Oh how they grew up, what their families

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>went through that were just let again, power through it. Oh,

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the civil rights move that was so long ago. No,

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't was not. My dad is only seventy four,

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I went and lived with him for

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 1>six weeks during the height of the pandemic in New York,

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 1>where I was like, I gotta get out of here,

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and so I went to my dad, who lives in Delaware,

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and it was that's when I started birding, and you know,

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I just had space and I could be outside and

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I could go for walks without you know, sort of

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 1>being so worried about catching COVID. This is you know,

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>in the twenty twenty June of twenty twenty, so we

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a vaccine. We didn't know how this thing

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 1>was jumping from person to person. So it's like, let

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:58.879
<v Speaker 1>me just go kind of, you know, to a more

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>suburban environment. And at night we had movie night every night,

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>so we'd watch movies and it was great because I

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 1>haven't lived with my dad since I was in high school.

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 1>And he would tell me stories. Danielle, I'm like, this

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.399
<v Speaker 1>is stuff that's in history books. This man is having

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>a cigar and a glass of rum. He is nice

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and spry. He is not old at all. And you

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>know the N words stuff. You know what I think

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>is fascinating. He's an he's a Life Scout. You know,

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>there's Eagle Scout is the highest of the boy scouts, right,

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and then I think Life Scout is like the second highest.

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:34.439
<v Speaker 1>And he was just like, oh, well, I wasn't allowed

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to be an Eagle Scout, So what do you mean

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 1>even un allowed to be an Eagle Scout. He's like, well,

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 1>black people at the time in Miami couldn't be Eagle

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Scouts like across the country, but like, you know, he

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>was in the Eagle Scouts of Miami. It was like,

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean? And he was just like, well,

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>they would make it such that the last badge was

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>at the fire department and you would never get it

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>because obviously the fire department had no black firefighters. I mean,

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>like all these things. So he could tell me the

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>black person in Miami the year, the name of the

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 1>year that the black boy became an Eagle Scout because

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 1>he was the first black kid to become an Eagle Scout,

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 1>something that none of them could have done. And so

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>they're so proud and exciting all this other stuff Like

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 1>this dude, I was like Ruby Bridges is not even seventy,

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 1>right when we think about some of these pioneers, and

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>so I think so much of the power of racism

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and went supremacy and anti blackness in this country has

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.280
<v Speaker 1>been to make us feel like everything's from Harriet Tubman

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and Regid Douglas. But first of all, Martin Luther King

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>would have been younger than Betty White when she died

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 1>a few week younger, I mean like and not just

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>about younger than Sidney Potier, you know what I'm saying.

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, and guess what, he didn't die of cancer.

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>He didn't die of a heart attack like he was assassinated.

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>And when you look at the public opinion from when

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 1>he was assassinated and murdered, nobody liked him. White people wise, right,

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>They're just like, oh, he's a terrorist. So this this

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of mythology that we're obsessed within this country. That

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>this is why I love being an educator because most

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>of my students we're just like, oh, Martley Ding, I

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.720
<v Speaker 1>have a dream. I'm like, let's read these speeches from

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about Vietnam and emancipating poor white people. Let's talk

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 1>about that, because that's how you get yourself assassinated. Now

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 1>when you're trying to free black people, when you're trying

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:18.399
<v Speaker 1>to have a global conversation about white supremacy, that's when

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 1>folks are like, yeah, we gotta shut this man from

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Alabama real fast. I will say this one. I always

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>appreciate our conversation so much because you just illuminated so

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>many things for me, which is that America, like most places,

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 1>is based on a set of mythologies, right, like I

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 1>can North Korea. Yeah, I continue to say, like, you know,

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>there are people many, there are generations of people in

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 1>China who have no idea about the Tianamen Square. Why

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:55.879
<v Speaker 1>because they don't teach it there, And like, if you

0:39:56.080 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>know about it, it is because of oral history that

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>has been passed down because it is nowhere written, it

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>is nowhere talked about it. There is no museum, there

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>is no nothing. As a matter of fact, they passed

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>a law in China that the parents of those people

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that were killed, those students that were murdered, we're not

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>allowed to grieve in public, We're not allowed to mention

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.919
<v Speaker 1>those children's name. And so we wonder, like, well, how

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>do people continue to go on right and not know

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>because it has been extracted you're doing and your life

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>has been extracted and set up in such a way.

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>So when I talk about on this show and others

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>about the matrix that we are living in, the matrix

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 1>that has been created around America, the beautiful America, the

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 1>great this is what the fuck I'm talking about. So

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to be able to sit with your dad and get

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>a one on one history lesson just based on the

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>vantage point of his life and how much gaslighting he

0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>is probably endured to be told that what he's experienced

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 1>is something that happened generations ago, something that we don't

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>need to talk about or understand the economic impressions of

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 1>what has happened right and why we are where we

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 1>are because of those times, because of those negations, Christina,

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 1>this is why I always want to have you back

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>on the show, because we need to go back to

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>one oh one, Because I don't know how we figure

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:25.719
<v Speaker 1>out how to rebuild, restore, reimagine when we don't know

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>where we orient ourselves from, where we don't have a

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>strong foundation and really integral understanding of this country and

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 1>how to fix it. Like you can't fix something that

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't understand, you can't build something that you don't

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>have the tools for, absolutely, And I'll leave it at this.

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Whenever my students say the word slave, I stop them.

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 1>And this is part of the mythology and the sort

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>of erasure of history. And I'm like, listen, flavors and

0:41:56.000 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 1>now table chair, cup, glass, pen, paper, slate. When we

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about us chattel slavery that carried out for centuries,

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I always use the word enslaved person

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 1>or enslaved African. I was like, because that's a human being,

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 1>and it's a relationship between two people. One is the

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 1>enslaver and one is the enslaved. And I was like,

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:19.839
<v Speaker 1>so in our history we're taught, oh, slaves. It's like, oh, well,

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the slaves, we're doing this. It's like, no, no, no no, no.

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>These are people who could not reproduce on their own.

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.439
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't have their own family structure, they couldn't they

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 1>couldn't eat when they felt like eating. I mean, they

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 1>couldn't go to the bathroom when they felt like like

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.320
<v Speaker 1>these horrible things. You know. It's like, oh, Sally Hemmings

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>dated Thomas Jefferson. I'm like, uh, if I'm enslaved, I'm

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 1>not dating anyone. I'm being raped, okay by one of

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the leaders of this nation. And so I think just

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:47.919
<v Speaker 1>even the minor ways that we need to change our

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>language in this country. And this is why I appreciate

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Nicolehannah Jones so much, because she'll be in an interview

0:42:54.520 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of that god awful touch Chodo Chocho, yeah, interview,

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and he keeps saying, well, you know, parents and black's

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, so if you want to say white parents,

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 1>say say white parents, say your parents. Because the thing is,

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 1>it was always, you know, when when Hillary Clinton and

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama were running, it's like, well, woman versus a

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>black a black person or a black man. And I'm like, no,

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>no, no no, it's a white woman, right because women aren't white,

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 1>not all women are white. But like this idea that

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 1>womanhood is white womanhood and blackness is a black malehood, right.

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>And this is what's so interesting about Sherley Chisolm, who's

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 1>right behind me, right when it's like, okay, in seventy two,

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like when we need a woman or a black person,

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.720
<v Speaker 1>so she's like, you know, goes to the black folks.

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:39.799
<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, well we said a black person. I'm

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>here and there like, uh, we actually meant a black man.

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 1>And then she goes to the women, Laurie Steinham and

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>friends and it's like, okay, you said a woman, and

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 1>they were like, uh, well, we actually meant a white woman, right,

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.479
<v Speaker 1>And so it's like, right, if you want to say

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 1>a woman, say why woman? Then if that's what you're

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about. And so I think for my students, I'm

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 1>really trying to be a lot more deliberate in my

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.399
<v Speaker 1>language because I I don't allow them to say like, oh, well,

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm a minority. I'm like, listen, I'm a global majority.

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm a woman and a person of color. So globally,

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>more people look like me and more people are either

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a woman or a person of color. So like, I'm

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 1>not walking around saying that I'm a minority at all.

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think that in this country, because this mythology

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>of white supremacy, anti black racism, patriarch and capitalism is

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>so embedded in our foundation that Bell Hooks talks about this,

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>We've got just folks believing the big lie, and the

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 1>big lie is from before seventeen seventy six. Come on,

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:42.280
<v Speaker 1>that's right, Oh, doctor Christina Greer. We need we need hugs.

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>We need hug time, we need cocktail time, walking time,

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 1>we need all of those things. Thank you so much

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>for making the time to give us at wok F

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 1>one on a one on one and a one on

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>one with me education as to where we are, how

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 1>we got here, and where, if anywhere, we are headed.

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you. Thank you so much for having me.

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>That is it for me today. Dear friends on woke

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 1>a F. You know I'm going to be starting something

0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>new this week, and you tell me what you all

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 1>will think about it. But I want to leave you

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of with this moment of zen of reprieve of rest.

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I did a meditation earlier this morning. I meditate in

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the morning and in the evening before I go to bed,

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of try in sandwich my day in that way,

0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>because you know, so much happens. And in one of

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the meditations that I did today and I use insight timer.

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 1>There is calm, there's insight timer. There you know, are

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>many free apps that people can use. And what I

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>like about insight timer is right now is that they

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 1>will ask you, you know, to with happy faces, where

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 1>is your mood? Great? Good, okay, bad, you know, and

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 1>then they will provide you with meditations that correspond with

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>your mood. So this morning I did one that was

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 1>on healing, because I realize that we don't talk about

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>healing and pain and trauma enough, and grief and what

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>it means to not just you know, power through bad

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:40.320
<v Speaker 1>situations or emotionally draining situations or traumatic experiences and situations,

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.719
<v Speaker 1>but what it means to honestly sit in that, not

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>sit in it as into marinate, but to sit in

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and actually feel your feelings and recognize that our life

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 1>right isn't about how successful we are, isn't about how

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 1>productive we are, but is about how aligned we can

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 1>be in our state of being. We are so busy doing.

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 1>There was a meme that I saw that it was

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>always that was human doing instead of human being, that

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:18.399
<v Speaker 1>we never just kind of sit. We're told to fight through,

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 1>muster on, you know, pull yourself up from your bootstraps,

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>but nobody ever just says, sit, breathe, and feel and

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 1>allow what comes up to come up right, not in

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>a way to control it, but in a way to

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 1>observe it. And So moving forward with woke AF, I'm

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 1>going to do my best to provide us with an

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 1>ending note that isn't one that is steeped in rage

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and frustration and anger, but is one that as a collective,

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 1>we can use this show, use woke a f and

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:01.759
<v Speaker 1>this platform to meditate on our rage, to get it

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>out of our bodies and then leave ourselves more leveled

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and more at peace for having gone through this exercise

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 1>of learning, expanding and growing together. Anger and rage are

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 1>important tools. And so I'm not saying we just pretend

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and be happy, go lucky all the time, but I

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>do believe that there is an alignment and a settle,

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 1>a settling that needs to happen. Once we rid ourselves

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of that kind of energy, there is a coming back

0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 1>into our bodies that I think is going to be

0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 1>really important, particularly as we move forward in these very

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 1>uncertain times. And so if you have tips and tactics

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<v Speaker 1>and tricks that you are using to help keep your

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<v Speaker 1>energy in a good place, in a glowing place, in

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<v Speaker 1>a healing place, please you let us know in the

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<v Speaker 1>comments section or DM me and let me know, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be looking for opportunities for us to

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<v Speaker 1>find rest after our rage on a daily basis. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be for a minute or ten, but just wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to leave you all in a better place than I

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<v Speaker 1>do than I have been when I pop off, and

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<v Speaker 1>then just cut out so beyond the lookout for that

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<v Speaker 1>as always, dear friends. Power to the people and to

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<v Speaker 1>all the people. Power, Get woke and stay woke as fuck.