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Start 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: making every moment more during Super Bowl fifty seven, all right, 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: time for instant reaction. Sean Payton headed to the Denver Broncos. 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: So this has been a long back and fourth between 13 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Denver. So I talked to Sean after 14 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: he was on my show yesterday. So usually I talked 15 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: to Sean for about five or six minutes when he's 16 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: off FS one with me, and we've been talking about this, 17 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: private conversations about where he's going, where he's not. And 18 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: so I went to dinner with Sean, spent about four 19 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: and a half hours with him. A couple of weeks ago, 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: he very much liked the Broncos ownership His concerns were 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: lack of cap flexibility and Russell Wilson's process a little 22 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: disconnected from younger players. He was concerned about it. I 23 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: shared that with you when you get into a situation 24 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: like this. These new owners were going to reset the 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: coaching salary market. So Sean Payton liked Fox. Sean Payton 26 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: would have stayed at Fox, and Sean and I talked 27 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: a lot about this. In fact, we talked about this 28 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: after the show Monday. The things he worried about were 29 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: always the same, cat flexibility and let's get Russell Wilson 30 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: to get back to playing Russell Wilson style, which is 31 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: almost basketball style quarterback move the pocket move a lot instinctive. 32 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: He's one of the better guys that we've ever seen 33 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: do that right. So I'm not going to go into 34 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: the Adam Schefter Ian Rappaport space. They're going back and 35 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: forth on whose job this was and whose job it wasn't. 36 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: I was told very early that Denver really liked Sean 37 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: and it was Sean's job to lose. Now, money is 38 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: a big component to any great job. The more risk, 39 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: the more money any coach would want. I do not 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: think and I said this before. I think you need 41 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: an offensive coach in Denver. I don't think Tamiko Ryan's 42 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: as talent as he is. You got to figure out 43 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson piece. I thought Harball was a good fit, 44 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: and I thought Sean Payton was a good fit. I 45 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: thought you needed, after Hackett, a proven commodity at head 46 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: coach and an offensive commodity at head coach. So Harball 47 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Peyton were really good choices. So you know, when I 48 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: had talked to Sean over the course of the last 49 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: several weeks, he was always interested, always thought it was great. 50 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: But there are gambles here. It's not simple. Everybody in 51 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: the internet wants to make everything simple. Let me tell 52 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: you something. When you start talking about the salary involved 53 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: here and the components in place, it's complicated. Big time agents, 54 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: billionaire owners. Sean Payton's high profile had a lot of leverage. 55 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: I love Jim Harbaugh, but he's a lot and wants 56 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: a lot of control, and Sean doesn't necessarily need that 57 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: personnel control would like an opinion, doesn't need as much control. 58 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: So what I was told is the Bronco owners like 59 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: that very much, but jobs like this are complicated. Initially 60 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: I thought it was Sean's and I do think Denver's 61 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: job when you consider all the other openings, is the 62 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: best because of good roster in key spots and Russell 63 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Wilson's talented. You know, Carolina, I think that's an interesting job, 64 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: but it's hard to find quarterbacks. College football only gives 65 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: you about one to two a year. So Carolina's job 66 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: has a chance to be great. But what if they 67 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: don't land Derek Carr or Garoppolo and they miss on 68 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: their next two quarterback draft picks. I mean Arizona missed 69 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: on one, went on another. Thought they got a hit 70 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray. Now they may have a miss. He 71 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: won't be available this year for much of it, and 72 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: he's struggling to get along with people. So this was 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: always really complicated. But what I talked to Sean after 74 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: Monday show, in fact, he had just changed his avatar 75 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: to Fox Sports. It wasn't that it was a coaching avatar. 76 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: He just changed it to a broadcast asting avatar, and 77 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: now he's taking the Broncos job. This went back and forth. 78 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: In fact, one of the tells with this is the 79 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh resurfacing rumors. Well, what does that tell you? 80 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: It tells you that they wanted Sean Payton. They weren't 81 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: agreeing on the number, and so suddenly stories get out 82 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: when somebody launts them out, Harbaugh's name surfaces to negotiating ploy. 83 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: In the end, there were two coaches where this can work, 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Harbor Sean Payton. There's a lot of things I like 85 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: about it. There are other reasons where it's not an 86 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: easy job. If this was an easy job, Sean Payton 87 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: would have taken this thing three weeks ago. It's not. 88 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: The Russell piece is going to take work. The offensive 89 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: line needs fixing, lack of cap flexibility. You've got a 90 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: hit on several draft picks, and they just gave up 91 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: several to the Saints to get Sean Payton. So it's complicated. 92 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: But this stuff goes back and forth all the time. 93 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: I had been in contact with people upstairs at my 94 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: company with Sean Payton. It was a very respectful conversation. 95 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: I thought Sean did a great job to keep me 96 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: in the loop on it, and I congratulate. I think 97 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: it was Schefter that broke the story. Good for him, 98 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: that's what he does and does well. You know, I 99 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: guess apparently I haven't followed it, but Ian Rappaport and 100 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: Schefter have a disagreement on social media about who was 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: a lead candidate who wasn't a lead candidate. I don't 102 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: think this job is a good job for a first 103 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: time head coach on the defensive side of the ball. 104 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's going to be a lot 105 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: of work to get this right. Also, something Sean and 106 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: I talked about at dinner. You know, Sean's a smart guy. 107 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: He thought about everything, and he said, listen, Mahomes twice 108 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: a year and Herbert twice a year. What if Brady 109 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: goes to the Raiders twice a year? Yeah, I mean 110 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of things at 111 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: play here. It was never easy. It went back and forth. 112 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: Teams leak this and coaches age in sleep this, and 113 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: that's the game. We've been talking about this. There were 114 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of job openings, and about four or five 115 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: days ago we were all saying, why aren't they getting filled, 116 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: because I believe everybody was waiting for Sean Payton. Then 117 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: Sean gave Carolina kind of the word, I'm not taking 118 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: that job. So they go to Frank c Reich. He 119 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: interviewed with Arizona, he interviewed with Houston, and he told 120 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: me about all these or at least the Houston won. 121 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: We went into some detail on that. It's private. I'm 122 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: not getting into it. It was unique, but this is 123 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: not simple. The division's tough. Mahomes is amazing. Herbert now 124 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: has a really good offensive coordinator, I think in Kellen Moore. 125 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't think winning is going to be easy, but 126 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: I think in the end, the Broncos had to hit 127 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: a number for Sean to take the job. And Sean 128 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: loved working at Fox, loved it. When I talked to 129 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: him after the show, I thought he was going to 130 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: stay at Fox. Then all of a sudden, you get 131 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: hard boss stuff out there. It's fascinating, though, isn't it. 132 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: Sean Payton's just too good not to be coaching. I 133 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever learned more from a guest than 134 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: what I've learned from Sean Payton. And all the years 135 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: I've been doing this twenty five thirty years, I don't 136 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: think I've ever learned more. There are so many parts 137 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: to coaching. Some of it's not even personnel and play 138 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: calling and scheming. There's a lot of personalities you have 139 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: to deal with, and he had such a good fit 140 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: with Gail Benson and Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland with 141 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: the Saints that it's going to be virtually impossible to 142 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: recreate that in Denver. But what Sean wants to make 143 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: sure of is, Okay, this is not going to be easy, 144 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: and this is very important. This is not going to 145 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: be easy. You have to commit to me, Yeah, to 146 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: commit long term resources. What should pay me? Why it's 147 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:12,239 Speaker 1: much easier to move off a coach Cliff Kingsbury salaries smaller. 148 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: You got this cornerback, he's young, in his prime. Russell's 149 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: not in his prime, didn't look like he's in his prime. 150 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: You can't move him for about three years minimum, so 151 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: it could take a lot of work. It's not easy. 152 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: There are things though about this job that are you know, listen, 153 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: that are really that sound great? A young running back 154 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: who can be a star, left tackle, nice receivers, capable 155 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: tight ends, really really high end corners. This is not 156 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: a rebuild. You got to fix the offensive line and 157 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: you got to make Russell Wilson work, But it's not 158 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: a rebuild. There was Also, I'll be interested to hear 159 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: about the staff, the defensive coordinator, the offensive coordinator. Sean 160 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: and I have discussed that at length. I'm gonna let 161 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: that come out over the next probably seventy two hours. 162 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: There's a couple of names out there that have been 163 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: connected to jobs but are not official. This could end 164 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: up being a really, really strong staff. I'll leave it 165 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: at that, but I'm happy for him, smart guy. The 166 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: league is pivoted to offense. This was a job for 167 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: an offensive head coach. Absolutely, Harbon Peyton. It will be 168 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: a lift some really good pieces. But you know, Russell 169 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: is a unique personality. A lot of people took shots 170 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: at him when he left Seattle. You don't see a 171 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: lot of that with star quarterbacks. And then he played 172 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: a little better at the end of the year when 173 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Hackett was gone. That's encouraging. Jerry Judy, I think it 174 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: was stuck up for him in the Denver locker room. 175 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: That was encouraging. So I can't wait to watch it. 176 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it's going to look like, and 177 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: that's to me, the best stories. I'm not exactly sure 178 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: what it's going to look like. I think suddenly, unless 179 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets, Denver will be the 180 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: most interesting team in the NFL this year. Now, if 181 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: Aaron goes to the Jets, that's going to be fascinating. 182 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: But Russell Wilson and Sean Payton, because you know, Sean 183 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: Payton has definitive views on how to run a football operation, 184 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson going to have to make some changes. 185 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: How easily does he make those changes? I'm not sure. 186 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Things I like about the job, things I don't love 187 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: about the job. Anyway, instant reaction Sean Payton, Denver Broncos 188 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: this year. The only app you need at your Super 189 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: Bowl party is Duel, America's number one sports book. 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All right, we bring in 219 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: Mike Silver, host of open Mic on the volume long Time, 220 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: well sourced, hyper Connected NFL Ryder. So you know, Mike, 221 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: I spent five hours one night with Sean Payton a 222 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. And you and I. You're a 223 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: real reporter. I occasionally have relationships, but I'm not in 224 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: the story of breaking business. It's what you do, and 225 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: do it very very well. But we sat down and um, 226 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: you know, Sean and I talked about everything, the Russell 227 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: Wilson piece, the owner piece, the mahomes Herbert four times 228 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: a year piece, and the hard bought piece. And in 229 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: our relationships with coaches, I'm I always feel like a 230 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: responsibility to tell the audience as much as I can, 231 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: and I will hear not everything. There are some things 232 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: I want to protect my relationship with Sean. I don't 233 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: want to get into the whizzing match between Ian Rappaport 234 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: and Adam Schefter. But I felt when I had dinner 235 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: with Sean very strongly that he was the coach that 236 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: he knew there were obstacles, and I felt, but this 237 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: is my takeaway that you're gonna have to pay for 238 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: Sean because this job is not easy. There's some good stuff, 239 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: it's not a rebuild, but the Russell Wilson thing is real. 240 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: Is that? Is that how you viewed this situation, that 241 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: the price point. I mean, that's why I talked to 242 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: Sean Monday after my show. I thought he was a 243 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: Fox employee. I think this thing came down to Denver 244 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: making a financial commitment to Sean, letting him know, Hey, 245 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: we know it's not easy. We're going to take the 246 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: pay scale to a different level. Is that your interpretation, Well, 247 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things. First of all, 248 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: it's a leap of faith on both sides for whoever 249 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: was going to take that job. You've got at least 250 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: a year with Russell Wilson, and you pray it doesn't 251 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: look like it did this last year, possibly two years, 252 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: because it really does impact your cap You've lost a 253 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of draft capital because of that trade as well. 254 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: And you are in that division with Mahomes and Herbert, 255 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: and you know that's kind of a you know, something 256 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: that would give a candidate with options pause, even possibly 257 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: to mke o Ryan's. He may have had his other 258 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: reasons for wanting Houston, or he may have had the 259 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: choice made for him and just read the tea leaves. 260 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: But that was one thing. If you're looking to hire 261 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, you know the price tag is high. You 262 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: have to give up draft capital. That's especially sensitive if 263 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: you're the Broncos because you just gave up all that 264 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: draft capital for Russell. You got the one back for Chub. 265 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: You're giving that away now. If you're the Texans, you 266 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: could say, yeah, we've got draft capital, We've got all 267 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson loot. But you are necessarily, you know, 268 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: weakening yourself. So you're giving up draft capital. You're giving 269 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: up money. Now. That was a strength of the Broncos job. 270 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: They do have lots of money. They do have Russell issue. 271 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: You know, George Peyton is a very very well liked GM. 272 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: If Sean was going to come in somewhere and turn 273 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 1: the GM into essentially a director of player personnel, you know, 274 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: George is someone that you could see that relationship working out, 275 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: at least in the short term. He's super well liked 276 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: he goes with the flow. But you know, my read 277 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: on the Broncos from Afar is that they knew that 278 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: Sean was expensive, both in terms of draft capital and money, 279 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: and they knew that he came in with a little swag. 280 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: He wasn't kissing the ring of the Walmart and oh wow, 281 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: I just wanted you know, he's basically saying you should 282 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: hire me because I'm awesome. So you also had to 283 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: go down parallel paths before you decided whether you're going 284 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: to do that, And it just seemed to me that 285 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: at least the public facing side of it. Remember, these 286 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: are the richest people you know there are, and they're 287 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: not used to really being criticized, like say, NFL owners 288 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: normally get criticized, and people are looking at it going, well, 289 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: you asked Harbaugh, he said no, you flew off to 290 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: see him again. He still said no, Dan Quinn dropped out, 291 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: and Damiko Ryan's chose the Texans over you. So whether 292 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: that's an accurate assessment, because I think there were a 293 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: lot of moving parts. Also, by the way, someone leaked 294 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: that David Shaw was the favorite. So now it really 295 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: looks like four different people that you either couldn't get 296 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: or didn't want, and now you're like, well, how are 297 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: we gonna not look like these you know, bumbling billionaires. 298 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: What are we gonna do. Let's swing big baby, because 299 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: money is a strength. And you know that them Sean Payton, 300 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: whenever they paid Sean Payton is like you and I, 301 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, exchanging a burger basically. Well, and here's the thing, 302 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: there are parts of the job that are really good. 303 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: Like in the NFL, you've got a talented quarterback, a 304 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: starting left tackle, pretty good perimeter weapons, a young running 305 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: back who was hurt but people really like, yeah, some 306 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: of the best corners in the sport. And you've got 307 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: some defensive personnel that can you know, that can move 308 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: around you. Also, it's a big brand and you can, 309 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: as you know, you can get draft capital pretty quickly, 310 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: move people here there. You can. But I I said 311 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: this in my ten minute ramble before you if this 312 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: was if this was an easy job, Sean would have 313 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: taken it a month ago or three weeks ago. I 314 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: think the Russell piece scares people, but I also think 315 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: there's a part of show like okay, so I used 316 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: this one the forty nights traded for Christian McCaffrey. I 317 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: had to write a column immediately for the chronicle, and 318 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: I led with something the effect of this was a 319 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: move based on or born of arrogance. And I say 320 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: that lovingly, by the way, as a fellow, that was 321 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: a great call. But I mean, like, I know what 322 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: it's like. I believe in my abilities, you know, probably 323 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: to a ridiculous degree at times. And if you're Kyle Shanahan, 324 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, I know it costs a lot. 325 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: But if I get Christian McCaffrey and I put him 326 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: in my offense, and I like, it's gonna be insane. 327 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: So you I think you want your coach to have 328 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: that streak. So look, I've known Sean Payton since the 329 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: early days and I love him, and one reason I 330 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: do is because he believes that Sean Payton is really, 331 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: really good at this. So in a way, I think 332 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, I could do that. And by the way, 333 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: like there might be more attractiveness because everyone thinks it's 334 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: a bad job and everyone thinks for us, so can't 335 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: be salvaged. And if you have struggled at first, people 336 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: might give you a little bit of elite, you know, 337 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of leeway there. But if you don't 338 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: and you come in and you know, make the playoffs 339 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: next year, people are gonna go Sean Payton, Man, look 340 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: what he did, you know, and dun Peterson just kind 341 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: of did it. He had an easy division. But you know, 342 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: Sean Payton is one of the absolute best of the 343 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: world at what he does, and he knows it and 344 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: his knowledge of that is part of what makes him 345 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: who he is, and that's what you're paying. Yeah, and 346 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: I felt I said this early that I thought this 347 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: was a job for an offensive coach. An example, I 348 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: think Brian Flores is kind of a fascinating hire in Arizona. 349 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: Special team's defense in Miami got good in a week. 350 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: And he's an ass kicker. He won't take he's an alpha, 351 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: he won't take any Kyler's stuff. Right, But Mike and 352 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: I've been on this for a year and it's tedious 353 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: to the audience. But the league is changing. Belichick struggling now. 354 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: Andy Reid is the new Belichick, and this job, the 355 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: defense is so talented. You can get a good coordinator. 356 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: I think you got a massage the Russell piece. I 357 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: think it needed. And this is not a shot at Demiko. 358 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: I think it needed a veteran offensive coach who was 359 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: dealt with drama, with quarterbacks, with coordinators. This is a 360 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: solvable job, but Mike, it's a hard job, right, Yeah. 361 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: And going back to the Flores thing, Okay, So first 362 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: of all, you and I have talked about this publicly 363 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: and privately. Brian Flores did not get fired because he 364 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: was not doing a good job as a coach. He 365 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: got fired because of interpersonal yes, abrasiveness really, and he 366 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: was not getting along with a lot of people, including 367 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: first and foremost is incumbent backs who we saw it 368 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: with a little love this year and yeah, Gobatock brilliance 369 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: was a lot different. So I'm a little scared when 370 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: you say that. I yet why And look, first of all, 371 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: I want Brian Floys to get another job at some point. 372 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: I do believe there's system of racism and hiring practices, 373 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: and you know he had the guts to to you know, Sue, 374 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: and I hope that that is not factricked to whether 375 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: it gets another job. I'd be happy for him. On 376 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: the other hand, man, it's the same thing. It's like 377 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: the Broncos can't just say we goofed on Russell goodbye. Yeah, 378 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: at least the Cardinals can't do that with Kyler, and 379 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: given Brian Floor's track record with two like, I agree, 380 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: you want to draw the line and start changing the paradigm. 381 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, Sean Payton's gonna do the same 382 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: thing with Russell. John's gonna be I can't rust that 383 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: sixth person team that follows you around the facility. They're gone, buddy. 384 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: And you know how, you have a bigger office than 385 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: I do. Let's either switch or I'm giving that office 386 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: to you know whoever. So that's going to happen. But 387 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Sean has great people skills and 388 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: will get that done. And Russell will have, you know, 389 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: the emotional intelligence to take it in the spirit it's intended. 390 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: If Bryan Flores comes in and starts, you know, treating 391 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: Kyler like dirt, that look you paid Kyler. You tried 392 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: to put a close in his contract that made him 393 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: look like a twelve year old and then actually backed 394 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: off even worse, you acknowledge that he doesn't study enough. 395 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: In your eyes, Then it looked terrible because you tried 396 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: to put it in the contract. And then you're like fine, fine, 397 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: don't even study, but here's all the money. He's injured 398 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: and speed is part of what makes him great. And 399 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, now you're gonna bring in someone who's like, hey, Kyler, man, 400 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: we don't like your act at all, and you either 401 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: get with it or that might not be the best 402 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: thing organizationally either. I think the Cardinals have to treat 403 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: Kyler unfortunately for them, the way the Broncos have to 404 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: treat Russell right now. Make it work in the short term. 405 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: And if you're Sean Payton, you have the credibility to 406 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: get Russell to buy in. If you are Brian Flores 407 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: and Kyler's not Russell either, I think that that scares 408 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: me a little bit. And again I'm not saying Brian 409 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: Flores is a really good head coach. Hope he gets 410 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: another job. They'll deserve it. That particular one scares me 411 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: a little. So one of the things that is a 412 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: reality and I've pushed against, and maybe because I haven't 413 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: been offered this level of money, but sometimes you just 414 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: get offered money you can't say no to. And I 415 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, we've seen coaches take jobs, and I've seen 416 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: actors do movies. I'm like this is absurd. What are you? 417 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: And then you see the you see the price tag 418 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I get it, I understand it. 419 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: Um so I believe that what the Broncos page Sean Payton, 420 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: and this is why Harbaugh came in again. I think 421 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: I think Sean liked working in television and new next year, 422 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: you've got two great college quarterbacks who are both guys 423 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: that can start I think in the end, and it 424 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: won't come out maybe for a while. Could this just 425 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: have been you know, twenty five million a year. I'll 426 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: figure it out, right, I mean that, you know there's 427 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: always a number for sure, and um yeah, I mean 428 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how it played out again because 429 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: we saw we saw the public phase part of it, 430 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: and the owners, the new owners were looking like amateurs. 431 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: They have some It's a it's a less attractive job 432 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: in some ways, along with the fact that it gets 433 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: even less attractive if you have to give up a 434 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: one and a two when you're already strapped to hire 435 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: this specific person. What is their strength that they could offer. 436 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: We are so rich that when you hear the numbers 437 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: like that, what we hear is, yeah, I'll take fries 438 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: with that go back to my Burger analogy. I mean, 439 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: it's just not the way that you know, a norrable 440 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: human would think of it. Now, we saw Temper do 441 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: that in North Carolina, and you know that ruffled the 442 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: feathers of the billionaires club, he was joining whatever. But 443 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: I think the problem is that he did it with 444 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: Matt Rule, who it turned out, was not a you know, 445 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: a guy who could come into the NFL, snap his 446 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: fingers and make an awesome But Sean Payton's as close 447 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: to that as what we have right He's as close 448 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: to you could put him in an NFL context and 449 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: have a very strong belief that he's going to succeed. So, 450 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, the Bay Area, you cover the Niners. So 451 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: I said, there's a tipping point for everybody. You can 452 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: be a patient person in your life, but snap eventually 453 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: if you're pushed too far. You can be a giving 454 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: person and then feel at some point you're being taken 455 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: advantage of and ask for something. I believe there was 456 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: a moment in the third quarter when or whenever it 457 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: was that Josh Johnson got hurt pretty with second quarter 458 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: first driving the quarter, okay, and I thought to myself, 459 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: wait a minute, because I always thought Brady to the 460 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: Niners was a bridge too far. His kids were in Miami. Yeah, 461 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: and I thought Shanahan sitting there thinking Treilanswert, Garoppolo, hurt, pretty, hurt, 462 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: Josh Johnson, I'm snapping the ball to a running back. 463 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: And I could see Kyle thinking, I love the pretty story. 464 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: Can you give me somebody at sixty four that doesn't 465 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: get hurt? Can you just get me? And here's the thing, Mike, 466 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: as you know, Trent Williams mid thirties, Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, 467 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: an old twenty seven. This defense is young, this offense 468 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: is not. And I if Kittle retired after next year, 469 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: nobody would be surprised. I sat and thought to myself, 470 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: I know they love pretty, but Sean sittinger thinking, can 471 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: you just get me a seventeen game starter? It makes 472 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: me think Brady's a possibility. Now. Well, here's the thing. 473 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: On Sunday morning, he wasn't. And I had reported this, 474 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: but you know, I referenced the great Oakland poet Todd, 475 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: who most people know us too short. It was all 476 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: good just a week ago because I had written it's over. 477 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: We've talked about Brady. They you know that we've talked 478 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: about all sorts of scenarios. It's over. Purdy has shown 479 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: Kyle that, yeah, he's the guy. Trey Lance might stay 480 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: as in a nominal competition, but he'll lose it. They'll 481 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: try and develop him. They'd listen to trades. I don't 482 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: think the trade value be high. Jimmy's gonna go get 483 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: paid somewhere else. But that's what that's it. And Brady's 484 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: not coming. But and here's why that was the plan 485 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: unequivocally because it was a it was a unique situation, 486 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: and that you have a guy on a rookie deal, 487 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: not just a rookie deal, the lowest rookie deal nine 488 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: hundred thousand next year as the two hundred and sixty 489 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: second pick. You're not even eligible to renegotiate with Purdy 490 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: and pay him more till after twenty twenty four. So 491 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: you have two seasons where you pay. And if you're 492 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: backups Trey Lance, he's on a rookie deal, maybe you 493 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: get a veteran. But like, you have so much relative 494 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: cap power that you can pay Nick Bosa what you're 495 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: gonna do. You paid George Kittle You've paid Fred Warner, 496 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: you paid Trey Greenlaw, you paid tre Various Word, You're 497 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: gonna pay Hafanga eventually. You know, Eric Armstead got paid, 498 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: Trent Williams has paid Christian McCaffrey, and you're like, yeah, 499 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: and we're gonna go get some more guys. It's such 500 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: a unique position, and Purdy had shown Kyle so much 501 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: by Kyle standards that it's a rap done. The only 502 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: thing that could have changed it is not like, oh, 503 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: perty broke his ankle. He'll be ready in you know, August, 504 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: because you know he'll be okay. Here he tore the 505 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: older collateral ligament. It Tommy John surgery is on the table, 506 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: so you don't know if it's six months or a year. 507 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: You don't know if after six months or a year 508 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: he slicking it the same way. And you have this team, 509 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: as you said that Hal you shick George Kittle, Trent Williams, 510 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: Pressian McCaffrey by running back standards. You are not young 511 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: and the window is right now. So now you can't 512 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: think that way, even if you still think Brock Purdy's 513 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: your future best case, which they probably do, but you've 514 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: got to go oh Man and by the way, I 515 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: have scar tissue on this. As a young beat writer, 516 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: I covered Joe Montana in nineteen ninety one. His elbow 517 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: felt later to trading camp. It was an older nerve. 518 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: I believe they did surgery. He missed an entire season. 519 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: Steve Young came in won the passing title. The next 520 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: year they were competing in camp, which I think it 521 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: was a real competition. Montana hurt the elbow again. Something 522 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: wasn't right. They had another surgery. He came back to 523 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: the second half of the regular season finale when they'd 524 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: already clutched everything. Steve Young was the about to be 525 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: the MVP. I think back then he'd already been named 526 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: MVP at Joe bata I came up the bed for 527 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: the second half of the cattle Stick Park acted like, 528 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, the Messiah had returned, which he was there, 529 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: and you know, they weren't like booing the MVP, but 530 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: they were like, sweet, the MVP's out. And then Joe 531 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: was Steve's backup by the way in that epic in 532 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two championship game, and then he got traded. 533 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: So I think it'll be okay. But and Ben Roethlisberger 534 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: kind of came back from an elbow thing. But I'm 535 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: not one of those people who's like, oh, cool, six months, 536 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna be just fine. I hope so. And I 537 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: don't think Ben. I don't think Ben a bigger, stronger body. 538 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he was ever quite the same like 539 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: I don't, and you know, and Tommy John really wasn't 540 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: quite the same by the way, the man the surgery 541 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: is named after. I mean, it's gotten better in baseball, 542 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 1: but you know, you so and party wasn't exactly you know, 543 00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: Josh Allen arm strength wise, he's fine but so okay. 544 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: So now here we are. So now what's going on 545 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: right now? They're having these discussions internally because it's all 546 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: gonna play out, and these are the discussions. Brady, Well, 547 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: he's forty six, even though he doesn't really get injured 548 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: except for the one ACL, he's forty six. If you 549 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: signed him as you're all in plan at a forty 550 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: six year old gets hurt, shave by you. On the 551 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: other hand, it's Tom Brady. He works really well in 552 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: this way. If you still want to keep the purty 553 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: window alive and try and hope for the best, you 554 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: can tell Tom one year, make it cap friendly. Tom 555 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: will take a cap friendly deal to the relative, and 556 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: so that makes sense. The other thing you're thinking about 557 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: very hard is Aaron Rodgers, and you're like, Okay, we 558 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: tried everything to trade for him two years ago. Even 559 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: after making the trade that they for the pick that 560 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: they used to take trade lads up to the draft 561 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: that night, they were trying to convince the Packers to 562 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: talk to them. He's older, thirty eight, can be thirty nine, 563 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: or maybe I might I might be off. No, I 564 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: think you're right. You're right. Yeah, And you know, not 565 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: everyone plays at a high level till they're forty five. 566 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: That's freakish. Only one person does that. But you could 567 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: presume the way you know the cap charge for Rogers 568 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: with that option pick up, you're gonna hold a lot 569 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: of guarantee, buddy, But the cap charge would only be 570 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: thirty one something million for twenty three. But you're not 571 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: doing that as a one year thing. You're if you 572 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: do Rogers, you're like two three years for sure. And 573 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: you know and and that and both Brady and Rodgers, 574 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: especially Rogers, change your cap calculus now. Yeah, you signed posts, 575 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: of course, and spread it out. But you're making some 576 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: harder decisions, you know, all right? Final topic, Danny Ainge 577 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: made a career Boston and now Utah Jazz finding desperate people, 578 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: the KG to the Brooklyn deal, the Rudy Gobert, the 579 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: t Wolves deal, which got like nine different pieces. Belichick 580 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: in his prime made a lot of deals with the 581 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: Browns and the poorly run Bills and Dolphins who are 582 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: poorly run anymore? Right? Is that, like they always say, 583 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: the best hitters in baseball get a majority of their 584 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: hits up to three and four starters, not the aces, right, 585 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: And so I don't know if Aaron Rodgers is a 586 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: great fit with the Jets, but well run organizations have 587 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: a history of finding desperate trading partners. And I look 588 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: at the very stable Packers with Aaron Rodgers. Robert Sale's 589 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: got to win, Joe Douglas gotta win. The owners have 590 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: a history of reaching and I look at that and 591 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: I think Nathaniel Hackett needs to rebuild his reputation with 592 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: the guy who helped him get the I that's where 593 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: Aaron to the Jets, a stable organization that's ready to 594 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: move off. I can ship him over there. It does 595 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: feel like you could get the I mean, listen, they've 596 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: got some good young players for the Jets. They need 597 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: the left tackle in a quarterback. I can see him 598 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: saying here's a one to two and a one and 599 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: green Bay going that's where that one feels kind of possible. 600 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: And I could I could see all that, and I 601 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: could see Aaron going, uh, like the Niners. So I'm 602 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: sorry that you won't be getting the one two in 603 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: a one, but I will retire if you do not 604 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: stupid trade. But if you trade me to the Niners 605 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: for hold on, let me text John Lynch a three 606 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: and a conditional two if I you know whatever, I 607 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: will make the money right and you'll be able to 608 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: move on rebuild. But yeah, I know you're right. So 609 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: that's what That's what's always fascinating. You know, fans understandably 610 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: live in this fantasy football like reality where it's like, 611 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: why can't we just do that? We'll trade this for this, 612 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: or you know it's like Derek Carr, well, they you 613 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: know they're not going to send them there? Why why 614 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: would they cut them? And we always forget that, you know, 615 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: the muddy and the cap and the players other leverage 616 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,479 Speaker 1: points like I don't like you or I don't want 617 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: to play for you, especially when they're old enough to 618 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: walk away. You know, those are going to factor into 619 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: and as you know, calling these conversations are all going 620 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: on unofficially. You know, there's players are figuring out their markets, 621 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: teams are figuring out what's possible. Agents and coaches and 622 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: general managers and players are all having conversations that will 623 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: coalesce at the combine, if not before, when everyone's in 624 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: person and drinking, and there'll be media people involved as well, 625 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: not not too many of us, A lot of people 626 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: who act like they will, but a few of us 627 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: will actually be in those rooms, and you know we 628 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: might be drinking too. Yeah. So I just think it's something. 629 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think Aaron wants to retire, but 630 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: when you start talking about it, you're at least considering it. 631 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: I do think Aaron wants to take that last one 632 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: hundred million, and he's still really, really good. I know 633 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: he still is. I contend that Titans make sense because 634 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: he's never had a consistent great defense and a great 635 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: consistent run game, and he'd have both in a wonky division. 636 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: Do you buy the Titans and Aaron at all. I 637 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: think he liked I think Vrabel's his kind of guy 638 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: in a way. Yeah, I could see that one go 639 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: it either way. I mean, look like, you know, if 640 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers plays like he did in twenty twenty one 641 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty, man Bill Belichick would be like, hey, 642 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: you know that you know that podcast you do every 643 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: week with Pat McAfee where you just say whatever you 644 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: want and put a lot of pressure on the organization. Yeah, 645 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's okay, I just keep doing it because 646 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 1: you're so good. But if you're playing like Aaron Rodgers 647 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, Big Mike Vrabel and a lot 648 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: of other coaches would be like yo yo yo, like 649 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: not like what he says on a podcast is that 650 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: big a deal? Just a just an example. But I 651 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: think you know Aaron is Aaron's gonna be high maintenance. 652 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: Tom in many ways is gonna be high maintenance. And 653 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: I think again, people with strong senses of self attract 654 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: each other. So you would say on paper, with Kyle Shanahan, 655 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: who wants everything to be done his way and Tom Brady, 656 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: who likes a lot of control at the line, or 657 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, who likes full control at the line possibly 658 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: be able to coexist. They're philosophically so unaligned in terms 659 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: of how they view the way the offense should conduct itself. 660 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: I feel like Kyle Shanahan gets in a room with 661 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: one of those guys that they're both like, dude, I 662 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: you are so amazing to play quarterback. Dude. I love 663 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: the way you call a game, like, we'll figure it 664 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: out and it sometimes that ends up being hard and 665 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. But I think people with a lot 666 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: of faith in their own abilities are more likely to 667 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: embrace challenges that other people would go, oh, that's too much, 668 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: and they're more likely to want to do it together 669 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: because they you know, they view themselves as rare and 670 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: they're attractive. Yeah, yeah, all right, Mike Silver Open Mike 671 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: at the volume. A lot of stuff today, Sean Payton 672 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: to the Broncos. I will say this years ago, Tony Romo, 673 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: I heard this story about Tony Romo and Jerry Jones, 674 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: like twenty years ago or whenever it was fifteen years 675 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,240 Speaker 1: ago that they were negotiating, and Tony Romo said, listen, 676 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you overpay for me, because then I 677 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: know you're committed to me, and I think I think 678 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: that was Sean Payton's one of his really strong hands. Yeah, 679 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: we're going to reset the market because people as rich 680 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: as you, I'm a rounding error if I don't work, Yeah, 681 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: if so, I want it to sting. If you got 682 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,399 Speaker 1: to write one hundred twenty five million dollars check, yeah, 683 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: at least your accountant will call and go reconsider. So 684 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: well yeah, well, I mean that's why jed to his 685 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: credit after Harbaugh has gone, then Tom Seula one and done, 686 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly won and done when he finally settled, like 687 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: Kyle was like, I'm giving him an Lynch six year deals, 688 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, which is way high for first timers, because 689 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm just making a statement to them, meant to everyone, 690 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,720 Speaker 1: We're done with this one and done thing. By the way, Jerry, 691 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: here's the brilliance of Jerry Jones, or some people would 692 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: say it's not brilliant. I thought it was after TiO 693 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: came to the Cowboys and the infamous push up or 694 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: you know, sitting up the next question and all that. 695 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: But that dispute in Philly was a you're not paying 696 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: me what I'm worth, you know. That's what fueled t 697 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: o's you know, drama, and Jerry Jones is like, I'm 698 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: gonna get his money right, and I'm gonna get the 699 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: best out of this guy, and I'm gonna show him 700 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: that his buddy's right, and you know, in essence, all 701 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: overpay because I I think his psyche will change so much, 702 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: this particular guy, you know. And Jerry overpaid for the 703 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: stadium because he was trying to make a statement to 704 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: the world. He thought the stadium would become an event, 705 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: did it of itself, and if it sounded even more expensive, 706 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,479 Speaker 1: that was a win, you know, and practice facility too, 707 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: so you know, and those of us who don't have 708 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: billions to make statements with, you know, can only theorize 709 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: about these things. But I do agree with you. I 710 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: think you show Sean something and you know you're you're 711 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: betting on a guy who thinks that he's one of 712 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: the few people, if not the old only person who 713 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: could actually fix it. And I get it. That's cool. 714 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: Mike Silver, great stuff, buddy, good seeing you. I appreciate you. 715 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: Stopped by great seeing y'all see you in person very 716 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: soon the volume. Make sure to check out The Draymond 717 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: Green Show. I brought Draymond Green into the Volume because 718 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: one of the more entertaining voices in sports. Unique perspective 719 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: understands behind the rope also chops up with guests like 720 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. Make sure download The 721 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show wherever you get your podcasts, only on 722 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: the Volume podcast Network.