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Speaker 2: Lava for Good and Stand Together Music present The War

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Speaker 2: on Drugs Podcast Season two. This season, we're diving deeper

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Speaker 2: into the real stories behind the.

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Speaker 2: It's impact, it's failures, and the people offering a better

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Speaker 2: path forward. Today on the show, fame Philadelphia Flyers and

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Speaker 2: forcer from two thousand and six to twenty ten, with

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Speaker 2: over two hundred NHL fights to his name, host of

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Speaker 2: the Nasty Knuckles podcast, and plant based health advocate mister

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Speaker 2: Riley Koto. All Right, welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 2: War on Drugs. Yes, yes, maam, I'm Greg Blott, I'm

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Speaker 2: Clay and we're we're going to the hockey rink.

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Speaker 4: Were going to the hockey rink.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't skate.

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Speaker 5: I mean no, I mean I've done it, but I

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think I need to do it anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'm thirty evan now and I don't need to like

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Speaker 5: I'm used to skating with wheels, yeah, not with blades.

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Speaker 2: I didn't tell you that they play eighty some odd

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Speaker 2: Riley Kota today. Name may sound familiar for a lot

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Speaker 4: He was on the punch.

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Speaker 4: He was the game. He was the bruising and whacking

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Speaker 5: That was That is my favorite hockey move. The jersey

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Speaker 2: We all learned that in a D two Mighty Ducks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that is a great move.

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Speaker 2: And for those who don't like watch hockey or don't

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Speaker 5: In hockey that that person is to go out there

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Speaker 2: It set the tone. It's thing if they do something wrong.

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Speaker 4: Crazy, are you fight? And then you take a break.

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Speaker 6: like what that actually does to you and how you know,

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Speaker 4: Got it all right?

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Speaker 2: We are here with Riley Kote. We are in the

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Speaker 2: lovely Pennsylvania countryside over here. Riley, thanks for coming on

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Speaker 2: the War on Drugs. Yeah, thanks for having me, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for letting us into your house here you

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia Flyers managing their minor league team, coming back, you're

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Speaker 2: When I told like my Philly scumbag and I said

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Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, coach, Yeah, we love coach. Yeah, just coach bash.

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Speaker 4: There's a world. Yeah, it's like things are happening, things

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Speaker 4: are connecting something. That's the simplest way I could describe it.

437
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Speaker 1: It's just like the you know, the ability for maybe

438
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Speaker 1: new brain cell growth, but you condict connection of neurons

439
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Speaker 1: and brain cells.

440
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

441
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Speaker 2: We talked to like Liz Carmus and she's a part

442
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Speaker 2: of the Cleveland Medical Study brain study that a lot

443
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 2: of the NFL players are participating that too, And she

444
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Speaker 2: has said since using CBD she had like her brain

445
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Speaker 2: the levels that they're measuring for you know what cd

446
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 2: CT could be damaged neurons, brain cells actually increased in

447
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Speaker 2: protection and it's helped her brain like, oh, recover physic

448
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 2: and it's just an amazing thing to hear. And I

449
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Speaker 2: think that's just so critical for people like that. Who

450
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 2: are you know, she's getting punched in the faces? I'm

451
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 2: too and like, yeah, that's an interesting thing. Have you

452
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Speaker 2: been able to like measure anything from like an FC

453
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Speaker 2: standpoint talking to doctors about what you know your brain

454
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Speaker 2: was looking like from an MRI casting, I'd be curious,

455
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 2: like what that looks like from that we're just like

456
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Speaker 2: physically feeling.

457
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's physically feeling. Honestly.

458
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Speaker 1: Part of my strategy when I first retired was not

459
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Speaker 1: to get a diagnosis, because what I had seen was

460
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Speaker 1: that once you get labeled with a diagnosis, now you

461
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Speaker 1: get all these opinions. Yeah, you get all these different treatments,

462
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: and you get all these different people that wanted to

463
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Speaker 1: heal you and help you. Right, And I know it

464
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Speaker 1: sounds great and all, except for it's confusing, right, and

465
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Speaker 1: it's uh, and it was not the path that I

466
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Speaker 1: wanted to go. I was like kind of done with

467
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Speaker 1: that that that world, and so I was just the

468
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: way I'm wired is just like Okay, Riley, You're going

469
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Speaker 1: to do this yourself, right, you got yourself in this

470
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 1: whole You're gonna figure this one out.

471
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Speaker 4: And then it was really just a it was a

472
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Speaker 4: combination of.

473
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Speaker 1: Self study, right, myself and and the plants themselves, but

474
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Speaker 1: knowing that that I was just going to trust the

475
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Speaker 1: way I was feeling right, So I had no benchmark,

476
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: kind of like you could go back on the look

477
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Speaker 1: because I know some people that have and it'd be

478
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Speaker 1: nice to look. But like, I think that I would

479
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Speaker 1: have gotten dragged through the mud had I gone that route,

480
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Speaker 1: and I don't think I would be where I am today.

481
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Speaker 1: I don't think it would have accelerated the way it

482
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Speaker 1: accelerated the way it did. So no real benchmark, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: on a physical level, but it was just based on

484
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Speaker 1: the way the way I felt right. I mean, it

485
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Speaker 1: was just the emotions, the I guess, the darkness, the fog,

486
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Speaker 1: the sense of like purpose, right, because it's way beyond just.

487
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Speaker 4: The brain, right.

488
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Speaker 1: I mean, we have to be honest with like the physical,

489
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Speaker 1: the mental, the emotional, spiritual, right, It's like it's and

490
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Speaker 1: I think that's why these these earth based medicines are

491
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Speaker 1: so powerful, is because they address the whole being right,

492
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Speaker 1: and it's not.

493
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Speaker 2: The foundation, it's the root causes. It's not the lipstick

494
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Speaker 2: on it. You know, you're not putting a band aid

495
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Speaker 2: over it.

496
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Speaker 1: That's it, right, And you get to the nitty gritty, right,

497
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Speaker 1: they're all anti inflammatory. So it's getting to the or

498
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: of maybe where some of the pains coming from, or

499
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Speaker 1: the you know, the you know, the issues are coming

500
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: from soda dresses the inflammation. And there's obviously a more

501
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: of an esoteric mystical side.

502
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Speaker 4: There is a level of you.

503
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Speaker 1: Know, emotional release, spiritual release, and we talk about trauma,

504
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with the physical trauma that was association

505
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Speaker 1: with right, So it's kind of attacking the whole being right.

506
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: We always look at it as a physical thing, but

507
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Speaker 1: it's way beyond that. And I think both of them,

508
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Speaker 1: you know both I say, psilocybin and cannabis in their

509
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Speaker 1: own lanes, have been extremely instrumental.

510
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Speaker 4: For me to just you know, say get back on

511
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Speaker 4: my feet.

512
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Speaker 1: Some people would argue all their crutches, and they say, well,

513
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 1: crutches help people walk, and you know it's like they

514
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: serve their purpose if respected and used properly, extremely powerful.

515
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Speaker 1: And so since then, you know, it's been me just say,

516
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Speaker 1: like banging the drama, like speaking to my experience as

517
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Speaker 1: much as I possibly can. Now, I have coaches and

518
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Speaker 1: players and you know, strength to conditioning guys in professional

519
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Speaker 1: sports organizations asking me for advice.

520
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Speaker 4: Almost every player is using some version of a cannabis.

521
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Speaker 1: Product, including the coaching staff, and the coaching staff would

522
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Speaker 1: rather have their players using cannabis than drinking alcohol exactly.

523
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Speaker 1: That's how what she's evolved. Hockey Traditionally most sports heavy

524
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Speaker 1: on the booze. So it's like it's amazing to see

525
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Speaker 1: the shift the levels of consciousness. And rightfully so, people

526
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Speaker 1: are just like now, maybe for some time now, I've

527
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Speaker 1: been waking up to the idea that we may have

528
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Speaker 1: been duped and these are actually legitimate tools to help

529
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Speaker 1: us through a daily grind and sports recovery.

530
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Speaker 2: I'm curious, like, do you feel you've had more resistance

531
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Speaker 2: from folks that are athletes who are very you know,

532
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Speaker 2: controlling about a lot of what they put in their body,

533
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Speaker 2: or like Layman's people when you've talked about this and

534
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Speaker 2: more steps, I would almost think like athletes just because

535
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Speaker 2: they are very skeptical of anything that they're about to

536
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Speaker 2: put in, maybe they would believers immediately after because they

537
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Speaker 2: know what feels right. I'm just curious, like you feel

538
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Speaker 2: that that's been part of a trans for for folks

539
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Speaker 2: or the other way.

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Speaker 4: It's the older generational alumni.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like they were born in the thick

542
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Speaker 1: of you know, the war on drugs. They're born in

543
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Speaker 1: the thick of the propaganda machine and and heavy drinkers,

544
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Speaker 1: and so a lot of these guys driving those emotions down,

545
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Speaker 1: driving the emotions down, and and you know, and and

546
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Speaker 1: buying into the belief system that all drugs are the same, right,

547
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Speaker 1: traditional substance abuse program AA programs. A lot of a

548
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Speaker 1: lot of guys gone through the AA programs, which is

549
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Speaker 1: like all substances bad. We're going to have to be

550
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Speaker 1: a Buddhist monk to get through this type of deal.

551
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Speaker 4: Right.

552
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Speaker 3: Funny thing about the guy that started A Yeah, he

553
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Speaker 3: thought he saw God. Yeah, that's why he started h A.

554
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Speaker 1: I know, right, it's crazy, the irony of it, right,

555
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Speaker 1: So we have Actually part of my work is to

556
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Speaker 1: try and introduce cannabis and psilocybin too the recovery settings

557
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Speaker 1: and actually reform the addiction model because from my own experience,

558
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Speaker 1: and I know several others that I've used cannabis and

559
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Speaker 1: psilocybin to get off drugs.

560
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Speaker 4: They use it as an exit drug, right. I mean,

561
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Speaker 4: it's like you're giving.

562
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Speaker 1: You something to I don't say, wean off or it

563
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Speaker 1: help you deal with the the the withdrawal, and it

564
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Speaker 1: help you make sense of the core issues you're dealing

565
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Speaker 1: with the trauma itself. So that's a whole other world,

566
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Speaker 1: you know that. That's that I'm kind of trying to

567
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Speaker 1: penetrate with this, But it's generally the older generation guys

568
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Speaker 1: that have had subscribed to traditional substance abuse programs because

569
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Speaker 1: they're anti everything.

570
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Speaker 4: But we've made a ton of leeway there. You know.

571
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Speaker 1: I'm working with the Flyers right now, the Flyers alumni,

572
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Speaker 1: to build out a you know, precision dose, customized cannabis

573
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Speaker 1: program for the alumni for a lot of these guys

574
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Speaker 1: that have just been anti cannabis for good reason because

575
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Speaker 1: they're you know, on the programs, they don't know any better,

576
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Speaker 1: but they're suffering so much now and they're seeing all

577
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Speaker 1: the headlines and you know, they're knowing people that are

578
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Speaker 1: using CBD no THC products and using high CB varieties

579
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Speaker 1: for inflammation or sleep. But they're still thinking in their

580
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Speaker 1: minds that CBS a violation of the sobriety, which is

581
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Speaker 1: crazy to think about. So that's their own issues like

582
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Speaker 1: that they have to you know, they'll they help to

583
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Speaker 1: figure out themselves. But that But that's the conversations that

584
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Speaker 1: we're having, and that's where it's going.

585
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Speaker 4: And I'd like to think here, if it's.

586
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Speaker 1: Not already happening officially through strength and conditioning, you know,

587
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: the sports science department actually integrating cannabinoids into their therapy,

588
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Speaker 1: not just like having the players use it on their own,

589
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Speaker 1: but actually making a part of their strength and conditioning

590
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Speaker 1: recovery program. So that's where it's going. If it's not

591
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Speaker 1: already fully there yet. It's it's amazing how quickly this

592
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Speaker 1: thing's morph But that the older generation, young guys are

593
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Speaker 1: easy because they're always looking for an edge. They want

594
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Speaker 1: to feel better, they want to optimize, they want to

595
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Speaker 1: they want to play longer, you know, they want to

596
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: make the money as long as they can, so they'll

597
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Speaker 1: do anything. Then then you get in the world of

598
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Speaker 1: microdosing psilocybe, and it's like a whole other world of

599
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Speaker 1: sports performance.

600
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Speaker 4: Like talk about the mind and like focus.

601
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Speaker 2: And PC do it and others I think that is

602
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Speaker 2: such like a foreign const like someone taking a drug

603
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Speaker 2: and doing work. I think, like people, that'll be a

604
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Speaker 2: burrage for a lot of people for a very long.

605
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Speaker 1: Time, it is, But that one seems to be like

606
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: warp speed too, because people are realizing that we've again

607
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: been duped.

608
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, there's riddling. There's all these drugs.

609
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: That are trying to do this, like the coffee and

610
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: all the stimulants that people are just chasing the dream with.

611
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: But then you got something that's super gentle, you know,

612
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: very predictable, focused, concentrated energy that does actually improve performance

613
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: and you know individual performance, team performance, right, So it's yeah,

614
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: it's wild to think about. And then you talked to

615
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: some of these UFC fighters and they're talking about micro doses.

616
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Speaker 1: They're talking about like mini doses and like one gram

617
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: one and a half grams before combat. Yeah, where you're

618
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: seeing so many high level performers, we're talking about psilocybin,

619
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Speaker 1: you know, microsing Now, but.

620
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Speaker 2: How prevalent do you think that is in like the

621
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Speaker 2: NHL or major sports. How many players do you think

622
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Speaker 2: do that on a semi regular basis?

623
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Speaker 4: Now, It's it's hard to say, but it's quite a bit.

624
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's more than you may think, and

625
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: it's people that you might not think. Yeah, it's like

626
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: and it's catching on. Just like the cannabis thing. It's

627
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: like when I was coaching in the American Hockey League,

628
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: towards the last second the second last year of my coaching,

629
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Speaker 1: guys were infusing peanut butter, infusing coconut oil with cannabis

630
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: and sitting in the back of the bus and just

631
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Speaker 1: like so they could sleep, so they got unwined and

632
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: like you didn't see the beers on the bus. So

633
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: it's like, like you want to wake up in the

634
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: morning feeling better, and you want to perform better. And

635
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: there's times to go, you know, the times guys still

636
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: go and rip it up, there's no question. But the

637
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: age of like archaic drinking like it was in the past,

638
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: that's there is a thing of the past. And guys

639
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: are so focused on taking care of their moneymakers, their

640
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: temples right, and and they're gonna do whatever they have to.

641
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: And you're seeing this in all levels of performance, not

642
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 1: just hockey, not just sports.

643
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: As you mentioned, high levels.

644
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: Executives, the Silicon Valley coders, anybody I work with some

645
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: some dentists, dental surgeons like so focused, so calm that

646
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: you know that you can be in that moment and

647
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: feel like you can.

648
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 4: Do the best work. Right.

649
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what you're seeing. So and guys talk right,

650
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: they're not gonna wait for the FDA. They're not waiting

651
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: for the gatekeepers, you know, the regulators that come in

652
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: like you know, to me, this is like green light,

653
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: like they've paved the way with cannabis. This is a

654
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: green light to you know, to optimize in a healthy way.

655
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: The craziest thing about it is just the laws of

656
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: around it. That's the most destructive piece.

657
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: Right.

658
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: You don't have the name names or do anything, but

659
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 3: are there people?

660
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: Are there people that you saw within your career or

661
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: anything that you were like, man, I wish I saw

662
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: wish I caught him like who I am now? I

663
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: wish I could just sit him down and been like

664
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: I know what's happening with your head?

665
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: I know it's happening aboudy, Like here's a better Yeah.

666
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

667
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: There was so many of those guys during my playing

668
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: career and posts and I still and I still run

669
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: into the Yeah. I mean it's like there's there's guys

670
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: taking their own lives.

671
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: Like you see, seems like.

672
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Almost every other week, you know, hear these dark stories,

673
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: just guys within you know, the Flyers alumni network, and

674
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: you see them and it's just like every time you

675
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: see the way they moved, the way they're carrying themselves,

676
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: you could tell, you know, they could be optimized or

677
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: they could optimize their lives a little bit better, right,

678
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: And I know what I know, But like you know,

679
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I also know that they only know what they know, right,

680
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: And like a lot of the stuff that I educate

681
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: people on advocate for is still a taboo, right, there's

682
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: still a stigma around, especially the older generational guys. But yeah,

683
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean I look back and even though I was playing,

684
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: it's like I wish guys would have drank less and

685
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: smoked more, you know what I mean. And like you know,

686
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that never got into the

687
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: cannabis while they were playing.

688
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 4: And some guys are so proud they will never get into.

689
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: The cannabis, you know what I mean, Because I'm I'm

690
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: an alcohol guy, you know what I mean. You got

691
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: to stay by the you know, bye bye old faithful there.

692
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: But every day. I feel like there's people I run into.

693
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: I think it's it's some bit complex because there's, you know,

694
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: the physical pain guys deal with, you know, the inflammation,

695
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: the actual physical pain, and then there's an emotional pain,

696
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: right depending on how the guy left the game.

697
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: We're talking about more mainly like retired guys.

698
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: I think it is the toughest part because now you've

699
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: left your team, your teammates, that locker room right, right,

700
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: it's like a it's a family, right, And it was

701
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: very organized.

702
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: It was very structured.

703
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: You know, you give your schedule handed out to you

704
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: the start of the year. You knew what you're doing

705
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: every day, every week, every month for the whole season,

706
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 1: what to wear, game days, practice days, and then all

707
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're on the other side of the fence,

708
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: like looking at your career, not knowing who you are.

709
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: There's an identity crisis that follows. Right, It's like holy shit,

710
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: like now what you know? Because I thought I was

711
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: a hockey player, That's how I thought I was, but

712
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: that was the job you did. So I think what

713
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: happens is like they're dealing with physical pain, they generally

714
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: generally mismanage that pain with alcohol and other drugs and

715
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, legal drugs, paint and pain killers, the whole bit.

716
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: Then there's the emotional pain of like, you know, like

717
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: however their career played out, because it's usually ends up

718
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: finishing with an injury or you know, you leave the

719
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: game not in your terms right, and so it's hard

720
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: for guys. And then it's like figuring out who am

721
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: I and where do I go from here? So there's

722
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: all these questions like finding your purpose, redefining yourself.

723
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: Who am I? Now? I got pain? I got to

724
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: manage it.

725
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: So it's like the snowball effect of like, Okay, we're

726
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: just going to keep doing what we did forever because

727
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 1: it was fine then because I had a purpose and

728
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: I you know, I had a schedule and everything was

729
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: good and it was in the NHL making a lot

730
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: of money. Now I'm not I'm gonna still do it

731
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the same way. And it gets dark, and it gets

732
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: dark and the snowballs. And if you don't snap yourself

733
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: out of it or find you know, more more sustainable

734
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: means to deal with your stress and pain and suffering,

735
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: you're just going to keep digging yourself into a.

736
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 4: Whole, darker hole, a darker hole and darker hole.

737
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: And that's really where it goes, is that guys become

738
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: suicidal because they don't know who they are. They've numbed

739
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: their pain for for however long, and they've never addressed it,

740
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: never got to the root cause of it.

741
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: And they're guys, and like, I mean, I know, like

742
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: my dad was a compet, a secret service Asian. His

743
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: dad was an army you know, he was on a battleship,

744
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: and like, you know, they don't know how to communicate

745
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: like that either, And I'm you know, it's that sort

746
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: of thing, so like you don't have that network around

747
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: you be like I'm not okay, Like you're just like

748
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: I got to suck this up or something or not.

749
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

750
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: That's like you have no moral yeah, no role models.

751
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: And that's the way I was trained.

752
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: I was that really conservative, tough it out guy, right,

753
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: But I realized that being vulnerable was a superpower and

754
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: not that I woke up one morning, but I'm gonna

755
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: be vulnerable. But like when I started speaking on behalf

756
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: of cannabis plants and the mushrooms, like you're speaking for

757
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: something much greater than yourself, right, you're speaking for you know,

758
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: all intelligence, you know, all mother nature. Right, we're speaking

759
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: to something that's gonna help not just myself, but I

760
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: like to think all mankind if you can, you know,

761
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: look at it that way, right, It's going to help

762
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: people live a higher quality of life, maybe raise consciousness,

763
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, maybe make a better world and.

764
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 4: More gentler world, softer world in a good way.

765
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: Right, And we could argue people are too soft now,

766
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: but like but like really it lands up like opening

767
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: the heart and allowing people's stories to be told by

768
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: being vulnerable.

769
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: But again, like in the locker room, you'd never.

770
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: Talk about your emotions, you know, oh yeah, I'm feeling

771
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: a little down today.

772
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah I'm gonna play it. And I you know, that

773
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: would never be a thing.

774
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: But when you're on the back end of your career,

775
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: when you're you know, you're retired now, Like not that

776
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: you need to go out and like wave the flag

777
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: like I'm depressed or I'm you know, alonely or whatever else,

778
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: but like you have to kind of come out of

779
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: your shell a little bit and like want to learn

780
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: and want to try and reinvent yourself and maybe open

781
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: to new ideas.

782
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: But you get guys just stuck in their ways. Stuck

783
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: in their ways.

784
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: They've medicated their their emotions with booze forever and they don't.

785
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 3: Stuck keep going.

786
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Like that highly addicting, right, Booze is arguably the most

787
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: destructive substance.

788
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: On the planet.

789
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: It's the one you take a thing and turn it

790
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 2: to poison rather than the other way around.

791
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: A day Like yeah, right, yeah, I know so, but

792
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: that's what guys know, and that's how they do it.

793
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: So you know, it's a nervous system depressant. So the

794
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: more you deal with your emotions and you deal with

795
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: your struggles, that way goes darker and darker and darker. Relationships,

796
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: fail relationship to sell relationships to your partners and your kids.

797
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 4: They start hating you because you're bad.

798
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, you're just being a bad apple, and life

799
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: gets even harrier. And that's why it goes, you know,

800
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: it lands up going dark. For some of these guys,

801
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: they just got nowhere else to go. They got no

802
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: legitimate tools, and it's oh yeah, it happens all to off,

803
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: not just in hockey, right, this is like you look

804
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: at the veteran community and like, you know, like it's

805
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: a real thing. I mean, yeah, I would say that

806
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: mindful cannabis use is That is the difference between the

807
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: way I approached my relationship with cannabis Back in the day.

808
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: It was I say, recreational. There was no intent, there

809
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: was no awareness brought forth to the plant and on

810
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: some level of like honor, respect towards or like, it

811
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: was like let's just burn some flour and get get stoned.

812
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: Right again, there's no real relationship. There wasn't a healthy

813
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: relationship built there. Now I would say it's it's it's

814
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: it's about intentional cannabis uses. Like you can actually answer

815
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: the question of why it's always about intention, right, If

816
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get stone, well you'll just get stoned.

817
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: But if I'm trying to heal or if I'm trying

818
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: to create or use this in a different way.

819
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: Intention is everything.

820
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: So I would think that level of intent and mindfulness

821
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: and respect, right, I think that comes down to respect. Right,

822
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: I was misusing it, disrespecting the plant as I was

823
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: disrespecting everything. You can use this analogy towards food, right,

824
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: It's like you mindlessly eat and you have an unhealthy

825
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: relationship with your food and all of a sudden, you

826
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: bring some level of mindfulness to eating and chewing and

827
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: being present with your food, and all of a sudden,

828
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: like food has always been medicine, but now all of

829
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: a sudden, it actually takes on a new meaning, right,

830
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: And I think cannabis actually, when you when you frame

831
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: cannabis use being used as a medicinal plant or a

832
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: therapeutic plant, I think it shifts the conversation or something,

833
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, pain management again, like understanding the

834
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: psychology of the therapeutics that I could then now communicate

835
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: with language. There's certainly helping with pain, Like you know,

836
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: just say the chronic pain or the acute pain that

837
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I was accumulating over the season seemed like it seemed

838
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: like chronic pain because it never went away.

839
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 4: But then there was obviously some new levels of pain when.

840
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: You, you know, get a direct blow to a certain

841
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: part of your right now you're feeling a different level

842
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: of pain.

843
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 4: So there's always that level of pain management. I guess again,

844
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: at that.

845
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: Time, I didn't realize how much it was actually helping

846
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: with pain because I just never you know, you're just

847
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: like you're in it, like when you're young and you're

848
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: you're trying to take on this role of being a fighter,

849
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: Like even if I had a certain level paine, I'm

850
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: not even sure if I would actually like I have

851
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: fully owned it. I'm fine, you know what I mean,

852
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: even though like I'm not, But yeah, I think the

853
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: scope of pain is in my experience has been.

854
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 4: It's helped with all of it.

855
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: So kind of moving forward, and you know, we want

856
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: to like to ad A lot of these episodes are

857
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: like on a good what does the next frontier look like?

858
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: And you've alluded to you know, I think we're going

859
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: to get to a better place where we already are.

860
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: What do you think that kind of looks like? You're

861
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: in the industry, what do you think that looks like?

862
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: From like a sports medicine standpoint, and then just kind

863
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 2: of a general pop standpoint, and then from a mental

864
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: health standpoint, like where do you see the future.

865
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: And what are those barriers right now? Kind of to

866
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: getting to that point.

867
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's some bit of a loaded question.

868
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: I see two paths. I still see a true natural play.

869
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: I see a pharmaceutical play. I see pharmaceutical companies entry

870
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: owning the cannabis space.

871
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: Probably a good chunk of it.

872
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: I think there's always going to be like the organic cultivator, right,

873
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: there's always going to be a market for people that

874
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: are looking for premium cannabis, not just like they say

875
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: factory farmed cannabis, right, or like the way we.

876
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: People have the folder's coffee jug and yeah.

877
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 4: Yeah that's it.

878
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 5: Right.

879
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: Do you want GMO cannabis or do you want you know,

880
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: organically grown. So I think there's gonna be you know,

881
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: two pathways. I think, you know, the federal the federal government.

882
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: Needs to say de schedule.

883
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: I think that the rescheduling opens up this pharmaceutical thing

884
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about way too much. So I like

885
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: to deschedule it. But I mean, who knows how this

886
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: thing totally plays out. But sports, in the sports world,

887
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, I really think that this is like,

888
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: you know, this is going to be a huge part

889
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: of the sports science department. They talk about recovery and

890
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: keeping guys healthy, but keeping them off the ambient, off

891
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: the opioids, off the booze.

892
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: I mean, this is an amazing tool. Again, it's already it's.

893
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: Already in there in the locker rooms, but it's I'm

894
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: not sure it's funneled down from the top. It's kind

895
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: of like it's kind of guys doing their own thing

896
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: and you're sharing.

897
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 4: Chah, yeah, exactly that.

898
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: But I like to think it's going to be a

899
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: huge part of sports science. It's working too, it's working

900
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: that direction for sure, And in society, I like to

901
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: think that it's looked upon more as like that front line,

902
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: that wellness type of look versus so reactive where it's like, oh,

903
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: we got to be this sick, I got to have cancer,

904
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: I gotta have epilepsy. So I'd like to think that

905
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: we can get to a place where we're looking at

906
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: this in the through the lens of wellness, you know

907
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yes, it does help people heal, and

908
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: it does does help people have an appetite when they're

909
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: going through the cancer, and you know, there's there's a

910
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: lot of amazing things it does, like in these real

911
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: true medicinal buckets. But I like to I like to

912
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: see this thing opened up in more in the world

913
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: of wellness. And that's really part and parce of like

914
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: where where I'm going with this, and is talking about

915
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: this more of a mindful way, like you know, like

916
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: pairing cannabis.

917
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 4: With yoga or meditation.

918
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Right, it doesn't have to be like so reactive as

919
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: I I kind of mentioned as like getting ahead of this,

920
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: like really in the world of wellness, like let's let's

921
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: feel better, Let's let's.

922
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 4: Take ownership over a wellness.

923
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Let's use cannabis in a much more intentional specific way

924
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: like we do. We don't need to eat fifty milligrams

925
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: or a hundred milligrams to get the benefits of cannabis.

926
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: We we could.

927
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: We could have one milligram, you know, two milligrams, It

928
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: gets tiniest amount, get the effect, you know, getting the flow,

929
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: start feeling into the body, or again a little bit

930
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: of the somatics, cultivating that relationship with self, you know.

931
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 4: I think like we can do that with cannabis.

932
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: I think, out of all the earth medicines that I've

933
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, been fortunate enough to work with, cannabis is

934
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: probably the hardest one to master because it's so easily abused. Right,

935
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: And yes, you can abuse anything. I'd like to think that,

936
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, people that use abuse cannabis will still wake

937
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: up the next morning, right, I mean, and no one's

938
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: dying from a cannabis over, right. Could we be more

939
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: mindful of their cannabis use. Yes, but to me, it's

940
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: still a.

941
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: Version of harm reduction or drug diversion model. Right.

942
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: We're getting people off hard drugs and if they need

943
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: to use cannabis for however long, they need to use

944
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: it to maybe avoid the withdrawal or cut the addiction.

945
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: Out or you know what I mean.

946
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean states that had recreational or robust medical

947
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: programs had significantly decreased opioid overdose and desks from either

948
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: synthetic opioys or heroin. And so to that point, it's

949
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: removing that other thing from there.

950
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just getting people well, I mean, who knows

951
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: where it goes. But I'd like to think, like with

952
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: all the information that's out there, all the anecdotal stories,

953
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, cannabis movement was piggybacked off storytelling. The psychedelic

954
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: movement is doing the exact same thing. How many stories

955
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 1: have hurt people and people dying. We have to share

956
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: before you know, the Congress, and you know, they get

957
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: they hear us. I'm not sure if they want to

958
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: hear us, you know, but we keep doing what we do,

959
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: and we keep banging the drum and keep sharing the

960
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: stories and doing whatever we can to help more people, right,

961
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just helping people increase quality of life.

962
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ron again, I want to I want to think

963
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: where can folks go to kind of find some of

964
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: this information or where you're at, like, yeah, where can

965
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 2: we send send people?

966
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my personal website Rileycote dot com are kind

967
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: of showing the different things I'm involved in doing so

968
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: reaching out to me there and the phone number yeah,

969
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: email addresses there.

970
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: So awesome.

971
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: Thanks again, man, Yeah, thank you of course here see

972
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: you guys coming.

973
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, good interview. Man, it was good that kind of

974
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 5: from the bruiser to the heeler.

975
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

976
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of like it's nice, nice like circle

977
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: circle life. It's crazy like we think of all these

978
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: drugs is like party drugs. But Riley talked about it

979
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: where it was like we were going out, it was

980
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: booze and pills all the time here in this party mode.

981
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: It was actually like this is my way of actually

982
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: getting away from it. It was like partying less. And

983
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: I think that's actually very resonating to a lot of people,

984
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: like that culture of booze.

985
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 5: And maintenance, maintenance exactly.

986
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: I think that's just really neat to hear that from

987
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: someone that experienced about as much of like waking up

988
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: every morning, like you could you could see his face,

989
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: like thinking about it like that would probably just give

990
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: you the shivers. Man, if you're not I mean, he's

991
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: a tough guy. He's not afraid, but it's just like

992
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: you just you know, I don't know. You you do

993
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: something and you're like, I gotta do that.

994
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 5: Get like I was saw when I went ice skate.

995
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

996
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 5: Period, Now that's your job to do that at a

997
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 5: high level and fight and play hockey.

998
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

999
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: And the other side of it, where you know folks

1000
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: that are his age or even older that just kind

1001
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: of kept going down that path of the booze and

1002
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: the pills and you know, trying to find a purpose

1003
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: and a value in their life after sports and all

1004
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: these things.

1005
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: You know, it's semi okay.

1006
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: When you know the train's rolling, but then you're going

1007
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: to real.

1008
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: Life and all these things are happening and it's a

1009
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: huge change and he's seen the other side of it,

1010
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: and so hopefully his story can be you know, continue

1011
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: being an inspiration to others to kind of maybe just

1012
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: look outside of that see if like, hey, if you're

1013
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: going down this path, maybe there's other ways to help

1014
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: and assist and remedy this similar like Marcus and others. Yeah,

1015
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: there's there's other paths and things. And I just want

1016
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: to thank Riley so much again. Open his home up.

1017
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: I know, his h his.

1018
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: Girlfriend's dog was like sick and coming through and so

1019
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: he was dealing with a lot of stuff. So he

1020
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: was really really generous with his time and so yeah, no,

1021
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: thanks again and very excited about our next episode again

1022
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: just like.

1023
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: Man.

1024
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he teaches us the difference between the weed business

1025
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: and the cannabis industry.

1026
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he broke that down expert he did.

1027
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you want to hear what that.

1028
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 4: Means, tune in the next episode. Until then, I'm greg lad.

1029
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:52,400
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