1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Stephanie back with a bonus episode. We talked 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: in episode five about the personas Laura allegedly used online. 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: There was one more alleged persona that we didn't have 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: time to get into, So in this bonus episode, we 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: want to bring you a scene that was cut for time. 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: During my research, I talked to many of the online 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: content creators covering this case, and there's a few you 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: haven't met yet, like Megan Fox. And no, not the 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: actress Megan Fox. This Megan is a journalist and a 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: podcaster on YouTube. You'll hear more from her in upcoming episodes. 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: When I talked to Megan, I asked her if Laura 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: ever contacted her directly. 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: No, not once. Well, okay, let me take that back. 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: That's not true. She may have, because I did get 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: several emails from Tag. 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: A man named Tag started emailing content creators claiming to 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: be Laura's ex boyfriend. 18 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: Megan, my friends call me Tag. And over the past 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: few months, I have been following this situation regarding Laura Owens, 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: a woman I dated and was involved with intimately from 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: mid late twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen. I am not 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: fully ready to come forward publicly with my story, but 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: I am willing to support you and the other victims, 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: specifically with what I feel could be valuable background information 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: and help fill in some critical information holes. 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: Tag said that he just wanted the truth about Laura 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: Owens to come out. He admits to feeling a lot 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: of guilt over their alleged relationship, noting that he didn't 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: truly understand the situation while he was in it. Tag 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: then turns his attention to Dave Neil. Here's Megan reading 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: that part of Tag's email. 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: He and I have zero connection or personal history. Yet 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: I was immediately revulsed by literally almost all of his 34 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: content from day one. Frankly, he's an unfunny vulgarian, and 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: I take serious issue with him calling himself a journalist. 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: For Megan, this was immediately suspicious. Most people love Dave Neil. 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: You can't hate Dave. Dave's great Dave is very difficult 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: to hate. I mean, nobody hates Dave like this except Laura. 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: Meghan decided not to report on the email from Tag 40 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: to her, the language sounded suspiciously similar to the kind 41 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: of thing Laura Owens often says. But Tag's emails kept coming. 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: So one of the things that did throw me off. 43 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: In the second email that Tag sent, Tag gave up 44 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: some information about Chase J. Jones. 45 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: Remember, Chase J. Jones was the Howard University student trying 46 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: to cancel Clayton, a character that allegedly led straight back 47 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: to Laura's phone number. For Megan, the fact that Tag 48 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: knew Chase J. Jones was too convenient. 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: It's got to be Laura. 50 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: Meghan decided to try and verify to see if Tag 51 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: was who he said he was. 52 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: I tried to get this person on the phone, and 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: this person said they would be available, and then nothing. 54 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: And every time I would say let's get on the phone, 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: there'd be some excuse. Oh, I'm traveling through Vienna. That 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: was my favorite. I'm on a train in Vienna. If 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: someone won't actually get on the phone with you, it's 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: a very good sign that they're not who they say 59 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: they are. 60 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: Even still, Megan kept her suspicions to herself. 61 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: I never mentioned it to anyone publicly until Tag started 62 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: contacting Lauren. 63 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: Lauren Nighty is another YouTuber who began covering the case 64 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: after seeing Laura's Reddit posts. Lauren had been following Dave 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: Neil's content. 66 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: I saw that people were kind of going in on 67 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: Dave and he was giving a lot of backlash for 68 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: going after someone who people thought was either the victim 69 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: or she was mentally ill. 70 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: At the time, Lauren worked as a psychic value later 71 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: at a hospital. She felt like she had professional insight 72 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: into this kind of behavior. 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: I myself had been working in the hospital for a 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: long time as a psych evaluator who works with patients 75 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: who come into the hospital the ere who need help, 76 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: and I have to determine whether or not they're actually 77 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: a danger to themselves or if there's somebody who maybe 78 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 3: needs help but can deal with this on an outpatient basis. 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 3: And I had to determine what's the basis for the 80 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: things that you're saying, and what's the motivation behind these things. 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: A lot of times people would say, well, I did 82 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: this to get XYZ reaction from somebody, or there was 83 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: a means to an end, and that's what I was 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 3: seeing in Laura. I was seeing a lot of these 85 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: threats being made for a means to an end, and 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: people were going after Dave in a way that I 87 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: was like, really uncomfortable with. I was like, you guys 88 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: don't understand the things that go into these evaluations and 89 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: what people say and why, and that there's more to 90 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: the story than just somebody made a threat. Now we 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: all have to stop talking about it. We have to 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: give them what they want or else. And so I 93 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: kind of came to Dave's defense a little bit, and 94 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 3: that's how I got involved. 95 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: Lauren started making her own YouTube videos discussing the case. 96 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: Then in spring of twenty twenty four, I. 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: Get an email from somebody claiming to be Laura's ex 98 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: boyfriend named Tag, which, if you know the Chase J. 99 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: Jones story, you know is kind of ridiculous because it's 100 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: Tag and Chase. But he tried to convince me, basically 101 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 3: that Laura really was like sick and he really was 102 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: worried that she was going to do something to hurt herself. 103 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Lauren took it seriously. She didn't report on it, but 104 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: she responded to Tag. 105 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 3: I was very empathetic and responded in a way that 106 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: I would respond to anybody who was dealing with a 107 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: person of that kind of illness, where she was struggling 108 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: with suicidal thoughts. And they didn't respond, and I tried 109 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: again to say like, will you please talk to me 110 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: and verify your identity as you offered to do, and 111 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: it's like I never heard back again after that. 112 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: Content like Lauren and Megan Fox regularly talked offline about 113 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: the case, and one day Lauren mentioned the Tag email 114 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: to Megan, who. 115 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: Then let me know that she had also received an 116 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: email from Tag and we compared our emails and they 117 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: were very different in tone. Both of them have in 118 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: common that he tried to basically gass us up to 119 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 3: make us feel good about ourselves while putting down other 120 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: people like Dave. 121 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: They were never able to prove if Tag was a 122 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: real person. 123 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: I think that the idea of Tag was to report 124 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: on this and be like, hey, someone from Laura's past 125 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: came out and said like, this is actually true to 126 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: get people talking online about how her story was not 127 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: made up basically, and it didn't work. 128 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: If it was Laura behind these emails from Tag, she 129 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: might have done it to try to get sympathy from 130 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: people online, but it seems to have backfired. Thank you 131 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: so much for listening and stay tuned for episodes in 132 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: bonus content on the Love Trapped feed. 133 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: H