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Warren, and each week on this show, 15 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises, 16 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 17 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: lot more on this edition of the program. Do you 18 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: have a doppelganger? Apparently I do, and I'm going to 19 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: tell you about that. Where shall we begin? How about 20 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: this in the seventeen hundreds. Kristoff Glok was a German 21 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: composer who refused to sleep in his room after seeing 22 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: an apparition of himself enter it. He found the next 23 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: morning that the ceiling had collapsed on his bed and 24 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: would have killed him. Now, what does that mean? What 25 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: was this thing? He saw? This double of himself? We'll 26 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: get back to that. You know. I grew up in 27 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: western North Carolina, and not far from where I lived 28 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: was the home of Carl Sandberg, poet, biographer, journalist. He 29 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: won three Pulit Surprises, and one was for his biography 30 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: of Abraham Lincoln. And in that book, Carl Sandberg wrote, 31 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: a strange dream or illusion had haunted Lincoln at times 32 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: through the winter. On the evening of his election, he 33 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: had thrown himself on one of the sofas at home, 34 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: just after the first telegrams of November six told him 35 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: that he was elected president, and looking into a bureau 36 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: mirror across the room, he saw himself full length, but 37 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: with two faces. It bothered him. He got up, the 38 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: illusion vanished, but when he laid down again, while they're 39 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: in the glass again were two faces, but one was 40 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: paler than the other. He got up again, mixed in 41 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: the election excitement, and he kind of forgot about it, 42 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: but it came back and haunted him, and he told 43 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: his wife about it. She was worried too. A few 44 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: days later, he tried it once more, and sure enough, 45 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: the illusion of the two faces again appeared, but that 46 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: was the last. The ghost since then would not come back. 47 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: He told his wife, and she said it was a 48 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: sign that he would be elected to a second term, 49 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: but the deathly pallor of one face meant that he 50 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: would not live through his second term. Have you heard 51 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: about a teacher named Emily Sage. Emily Saggi was she 52 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: was like thirty two years old in eighteen forty five, 53 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: and she was a teacher in Latvia, which is just 54 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: west of Russia. And they say she was she was attractive, smart, 55 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: well liked by the students and staff of this particular school, 56 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: well known school she taught at. But by the time 57 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: she got she got to that school in eighteen forty five, 58 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: she had already been employed and eighteen different schools in 59 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: the past sixteen years, and so it started to become 60 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: clear or they say why that Emily could not keep 61 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: her position in any of the jobs for a long 62 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: time because she had a doppel ganger, a ghostly twin, 63 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: No it'd make itself visible to others at random moments. 64 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: The first time it was spotted was when she was 65 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: teaching a class of seventeen girls and Emily had just 66 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: been standing there normally writing on the chalkboard with her 67 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: face away, her her back facing the girls. I went 68 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, a projection like entity that looked just 69 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: like her appeared. It stood right beside her, mocking her 70 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: by imitating her movements. And while everyone in the class 71 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: could see this doppelganger, Emily could not. In fact, she 72 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: said she never came across her twin, which was just 73 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: as well for her, because it is often considered an 74 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: extremely bad omen to see one's own doppelganger. Since the 75 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: first sighting, Emily's apparent twin was spotted quite frequently by 76 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: others at the school. She was seen sitting beside the 77 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: real Emily, eating silently imitating Emily while she did her work, 78 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: every day, sitting in class while Emily talked. One time, 79 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: as Emily was helping one of her students dress up 80 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: for an event, the doppel ganger appeared and the student 81 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: looked down and she found two Emily's fixing her dress 82 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: and then fainted immediately. The most talked about sighting was 83 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: when Emily was was gardening. It says she she was 84 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: seeing gardening by a class full of forty two girls, 85 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: and when the supervisor of the class walked out for 86 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: a bit, Emily walked down and sat in her place, 87 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: and the students did not think much of it until 88 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: one of them pointed out that Emily was still in 89 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: the garden doing her work. It's they must have been 90 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: terrified by the other Emily in the room, but some 91 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: of them were brave enough to go and touch this doppelganger. 92 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: Can you believe that? And what they found was that 93 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: their hands could go through her, only sensing what seemed 94 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: like a bulk of cobweb. That sounds a lot like 95 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: an electrostatic field, doesn't It uh similar to what I 96 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: experienced when I touched a ghost One time. People would 97 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: ask Emily about this. She was always at a loss, 98 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: and she said that she had been asked to leave 99 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: her previous jobs because this was freaking people out. And 100 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: what's also interesting is it was said at the time 101 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: that while Emily's doppelganger made itself visible. The actual Emily 102 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: appeared very worn out and lethargic, as if the duplicate 103 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: was a part of her spirit that had somehow broken free, 104 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: and when it disappeared, she was back to being her 105 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: normal self. Now, after the incident at the garden, Emily 106 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: had said that she had had an urge to go 107 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: inside the classroom to supervise the kids, but she hadn't 108 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: done it, and this may indicate that the doppel ganger 109 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: perhaps was a reflection of the kind of teacher Emily 110 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: wanted to be, doing multiple tasks at once. Some people 111 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: have a theory that this doppel ganger comes out to 112 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: do the task that Emily herself was doing in an 113 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: alternate universe where she had made a choice different from 114 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: that of the real world. Now, this doppel ganger double 115 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of thing, it gets really bizarre and it gets 116 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: quite complicated. And if this is all kind of new 117 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: to you, well, let's just start with the basics. Okay, 118 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: let's just take a look at the definition of a 119 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: doppel ganger. Here's the Wikipedia page. Okay, doppelganger is German. 120 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: It literally means double walker, and they say it is 121 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: a biologically unrelated look alike, or a double of a 122 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: living person. In fiction and mythology, a doppel ganger is 123 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: often portrayed as a ghostly or paranormal phenomenon, and usually 124 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: seen as a harbinger of bad luck. Other traditions and 125 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: stories equate a doppel ganger with an evil twin. In 126 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: modern times, the term twin stranger is occasionally used, and 127 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: the word doppel ganger is often used in a more 128 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: general and neutral sense and in slang to describe any 129 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: person who physically resembles another person. This whole concept of 130 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: the doppelganger goes way back. Uh. Here are some examples. 131 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: There was John Dunn, an English poet who in in 132 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: sixteen twelve was living in Paris. He saw his wife 133 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: stoppel ganger one night. Turns out it was the same 134 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: night as the still birth of their daughter you know. Uh. 135 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: Percy Shelley, the English poet in eighteen twenty two, he 136 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: was married to Mary Shelley, who wrote Frankenstein and Uh. 137 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: He drowned in the Bay of Spezzia in Italy, and 138 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: on August fifteen, while staying at Pisa, Mary Shelley wrote 139 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: a letter to her friend and which she said that 140 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: Percy had claimed to her that he had met his 141 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: own doppelganger recently. Um, these kinds of stories go on 142 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: and on. Here's George try on. Uh, this guy says 143 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: this is a Victorian age example. He was a vice 144 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: admiral in the navy, and he was said to have 145 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: walked through the drawing room of his family, looking straight 146 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: ahead without exchanging a word to anyone. Okay, this was 147 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: They saw him in London. He walked right through in 148 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: front of several guests at a party while he was 149 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: supposed to be in a ship on the Mediterranean maneuvering 150 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: off the coast of Syria. Well guess what he was 151 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: actually there? And they reported that he had gone down 152 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: with his ship, the h M S. Victoria, the very 153 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: same night it collided with another ship. 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Now 190 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: let's get back to Strange Things with Joshua pe Warren. 191 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio 192 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I 193 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, 194 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio and Sin City, 195 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every 196 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: night is silver, and listen to this. With the advent 197 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: of social media, there have been several reported cases of 198 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: people finding their twin stranger online, which is a modern 199 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: term for a doppel ganger in some cases, and there 200 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: are several websites where users can upload a photo of 201 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: themselves and facial recognition software attempts to match them with 202 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: another user of like appearance. And some of these sites 203 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: report they have found numerous living doppel gangers. Well, I 204 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: actually went after reading that, and I found at least 205 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: one of these sites, and UM, I'm not gonna use it, though, 206 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna You sign up, you upload your photo 207 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: and then it finds your met If I find some 208 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: other dude who looks like me out there, well, what 209 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: if my why finds out about that, my wife might 210 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: leave me for this other guy. Maybe he's more romantic 211 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: than I am. So you can do that at your 212 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: own risk. And if you do that, I hope that 213 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: you will, uh, you'll contact me and send me your 214 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: photo and the photo of of the twin that you 215 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: find out there. But you see, that's a different kind 216 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: of thing because we're talking about historically doppelgangers are almost 217 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: like these apparitions that appear to reproduce the person. Sometimes 218 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: it's right next to the person, in other cases it's 219 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: far away, like with the admiral there, you know he 220 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: was god knows how far away dying and on this ship. Um, 221 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: and so then you have this that that kind of 222 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: concept being used to just talk about somebody finding an 223 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: unrelated twins. So these are two examples of how to 224 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: use that word. But okay, let's go back to uh, 225 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: this more paranormal sort of aspect though. What's the scientific 226 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: sort of explanation for this? Okay, well, here here's what 227 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: some scientists talk about. I've never heard of this hotscopy 228 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: h E A U T O S C O P Y. 229 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: Maybe it's he atoscopy. I don't know what that that is. 230 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: It says it's an experience in which an individual perceives 231 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: the surrounding environment from a different perspective from outside their 232 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: own body, and that this is a term used in 233 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: psychiatry and neurology for the hallucination of seeing one's own 234 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: body at a distance, and it can occur as a 235 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: symptom in schizophrenia and epilepsy, and is considered a possible 236 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: explanation for doppelganger phenomena. Okay, well, you know, maybe you know, 237 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: maybe that explains some of these things, but certainly not 238 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: all of them. One of my favorite movies is The 239 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: Mothman Prophecies. I love the book as well, and it's 240 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: been a long time since I have seen the Mothman prophecies. 241 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: But I believe in the beginning, the protagonist he's searching 242 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: for some kind of meaning. He's been having weird experiences. 243 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: Richard Gear is the actor, and he he's based on 244 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: the the you know, John Kill in real life. But anyway, 245 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: Richard Gear, he drives to Point Pleasant, West Virginia, where 246 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: all these people have been seeing the Mothman and other 247 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: strangeness has been happening, and he breaks down on the 248 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: side of the road on a stormy night and he 249 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: needs help. So he knocks on the door and the 250 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: guy opens the door, and he's got a gun, and 251 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: he says something like you again or whatever, you know, 252 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: And of course Richard Gears character is very confused and 253 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: scared to death, and the homeowner key from there at 254 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: gunpoint until the sheriff or the deputy or whatever arrives. 255 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: And the homeowner says to the to the sheriff, this 256 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: man has shown up for the past two nights at 257 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: our house, you know, And Richard Gears like, I've never 258 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: ever been to this area before. That's that's impossible, all right, 259 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm again I'm just paraphrasing that based upon 260 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: my memory of seeing the movie. Well, that is a 261 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: that is a different type of doppel ganger, which I 262 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: think is one of the freakiest types, And that is 263 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that has happened in my life 264 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: to me. Okay, so we're talking about the doppel ganger again, 265 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: Like there's this first type where it's just like a 266 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: ghostly double that can be nearby or far away. Second is, well, 267 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: the kind of modern term of like, oh, look, I 268 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: found a person who looks like me out there. Um. 269 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: But this is a weirder one because it almost seems 270 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: like that there is another version of you that is 271 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: out there carrying out deeds on your behalf. And I 272 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a version of you or if 273 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: it's something that's shape shifting to look like you. I'm 274 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: going to get into all that in a minute. There's 275 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: a this is a lot to think about. But first 276 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: let me explain to you some about my own experiences. Okay, 277 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: So this did not start happening to me as far 278 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: as I know, uh, until I was like sixteen years old. Um. 279 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: And and in retrospect, it makes me think if this 280 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: was happening before I knew it was happening. Then maybe 281 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: people thought I was doing things that I wasn't doing. 282 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: I'll never know. But anyway, here's what I started knowing 283 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: about this phenomenon. Okay, I was really into photography, uh, 284 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: like film, you know, developing film and all that kind 285 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: of stuff when I was a teenager. And so I 286 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: went out and I got a medium format camera, which 287 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: is a rare thing for a teenager to have in 288 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: those days, because I mean, I was born in nineteen 289 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: seventy six. Um, so by the time I'm you know, 290 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: sixteen or whatever, I most people had probably never even 291 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: seen a medium format camera. But it's like a little 292 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: box and you have to put this special role of 293 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: film in it, and it has a lens on the 294 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: top and you look down into the top of it, 295 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: and you you have to manually adjust the lighting, the 296 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: aperture and the focus and everything, and then you you 297 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: expose it, um manually click click click, and you have 298 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: to take it to a photography shop to be developed. 299 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: At least that's what I used to do. I knew 300 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: how to do it, but I would take it to 301 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: a photography shop and they'd give you these sheets back 302 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: that had these um nice little like Ansel Adams looking 303 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: black and white pictures. I love to do the black 304 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: and white thing that we're all kind of printed like 305 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: in a grid pattern. So anyway, there was this place 306 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: on Merriman Avenue in Asheville, North Carolina. UM that was 307 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: the big photo development shop during that period of time, 308 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: and so I would walk in there sometimes to get 309 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: my film developed and the guy working there would say, hey, Carrie, 310 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: how are you doing today? And I would say, I'm sorry, 311 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, how's it going? Oh boy? And I was like, 312 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: at first, I kind of blew it off because, you know, 313 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: somebody calls you by the wrong name, you think like 314 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: maybe they just slipped. After he called me Carrie like 315 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: two or three times, I finally told him, actually, you 316 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: must be confusing me for somebody else, you know, I'm 317 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua. And I get this look. This was the 318 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: first time I ever got this this look like are 319 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: you crazy? You know? Like, and he says, You're not 320 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: Carrie and I said no, I'm Joshua, and he starts 321 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: sort of telling me that, yeah, well, there apparently is 322 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: this guy named Carrie who looks just like you and 323 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: comes in here with this medium format film, and I 324 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: mean it was just like and I'm I'm just sort 325 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: of dumbfounded hearing this. And thank goodness this was related 326 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: to a business because I've got receipts for when I 327 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: actually went there and when I when I and then 328 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: I've got pictures that I got so I could prove 329 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: that I was not there when this other guy carry 330 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: was there. Um, but I you know, it was it 331 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: was bizarre, but I didn't pursue it at that point 332 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: in my life. Um. I I would probably pursue that 333 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: right now if that happened to me, But at that 334 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: point in my life, it was just too bizarre. I 335 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: didn't know what to think of him. Well. Um, And 336 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: then there was another occasion when I was a little older. 337 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: I was, I guess I'm in early twenties, and I 338 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: had a friend. He was a very very good friend 339 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: of mine, and uh, he thought he was a bit 340 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: of an inventor, and so he came up with a 341 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: new type of fishing pole design. And I didn't really 342 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: care about fishing poles or anything like that. I mean, 343 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I'd go fishing once in a while with this dude. Um, 344 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: but he was real big into fishing, and so he 345 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: came up with this fishing pole design and he told 346 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: me about it, and I said, yeah, I think that's cool, 347 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, and I but I didn't really care about it. Well, 348 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 1: one day he calls me up and boy, he is 349 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: just blessing me out. Okay, he's cursing at me on 350 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: the phone, and I have no idea what's going on. 351 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: And he said that he had talked to some kind 352 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: of fishing pole manufacturer and the guy had said that 353 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: apparently I had already called this guy and I was 354 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: trying to sell the same thing. And of course this 355 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: was absurd to me because I had no interest in 356 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: that product. You know, the kind of stuff that I make, 357 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: it's not fishing poles. Maybe someday I'll make a fishing pole. 358 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: Anything is possible, but it's just like, but it ticked 359 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: me off so badly that he was cursing at me 360 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: and accusing me of this thing which I had absolutely 361 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: nothing to do with. That what that ended our friendship? Okay, 362 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: I pulled the plug on our friendship. And I look 363 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: back at that and I think that that was probably 364 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: a good thing, because his life did not turn out well. 365 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: And I think he was kind of a negative influence 366 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: on me, to be honest with you, so that seemed 367 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: to be a positive thing. But listen, that's not the 368 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: weird the really really weird stuff. Here's the weirdest thing. 369 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: This happened when I started going to Puerto Rico. So 370 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: at this point in time, you know, I'm getting I'm 371 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: probably like in my late twenties or something, so all 372 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: this all this kind of like doppelganger stuff started popping 373 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: up for me. Uh well, I don't think I've had 374 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: an incident in a while, all right, But when we 375 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: come back from this break, I'm gonna tell you what 376 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: happened when I went to Puerto Rico for one of 377 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: the very one of the first times I went to 378 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico to go to this very remote shop lit 379 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: truly in the El Junque rainforest. And what happened there 380 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, this is like the freakiest 381 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: example of this. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to 382 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: strange things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 383 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: say m par on normal podcast network. I'll be back 384 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: after these important messages. Don't go anywhere. There's more strange 385 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: things coming right up, and we're back with Strange Things 386 00:26:47,320 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: and Joshua P. Warren, Welcome back to Strange Things on 387 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a yum 388 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: paron Normal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua pe Warren, 389 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. 390 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: The first time I went to Puerto Rico, I was 391 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: on a cruise ship and I instantly fell in love 392 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: with Puerto Rico. I actually, um, it's it's just seemed 393 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: like a dream. It still seems like a dream place. 394 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, I ended up living there 395 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: for years and I miss it. But I'll be going 396 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: back here, I'm sure, one of these days. But nonetheless, 397 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: when I got there, I knew that this was the 398 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: birthplace of the chupacabra. And so as soon as I 399 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: got to Old San Juan, I was looking in all 400 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: of the gift shops for some kind of like little 401 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: chupacabra souvenirs. I thought like, hey, a T shirt would 402 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: be great, but any kind of little trinket or whatever. 403 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: And I could not find a single thing with a 404 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: chupacabra on it, not one thing. I couldn't believe it, 405 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: and being a businessman, I thought, man boy, this is 406 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: a missed opportunity. And I was kind of looking for 407 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: an excuse to come back to Puerto Rico and spend 408 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: more time anyway, and I came up with this idea. 409 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: I told Lauren, I said, you know what, I'm gonna 410 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: make some Chupa Cabra T shirts and I'm gonna fly 411 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: back to Puerto Rico and uh, I'm just gonna go 412 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: into shops and see if I can start selling these 413 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: Chupacabra T shirts. Okay, what an entrepreneurial thing to do. 414 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: And then if I start getting this business in Puerto Rico, 415 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: well it'll at least help pay for my trips to 416 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. You see, that's how I was thinking in 417 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: those days. Makes sense, doesn't it. So I got this 418 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: great artist and we desire this really cool chip A 419 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 1: Cobb T shirt, and I printed up a bunch of 420 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: them and then got on an airplane all by myself 421 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: and flew back to Puerto Rico. Now this, I'm I'm 422 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: bad at looking back off the cuff and picking out 423 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: dates and stuff, But I mean this would have been 424 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: over fifteen years ago, I'm sure, so Uh. Sell coverage 425 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: was very very spotty. Uh it probably still is and 426 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: uh checking your email forget about it. Like I mean, 427 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: there was no kind of WiFi anywhere that you know 428 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: I can at least nothing I could access. So and 429 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: I didn't speak Spanish, and I wanted to get outside 430 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: of just send wall one and go to some of 431 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: the other kind of touristy spots on the island. And 432 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: so I knew there was no way I was going 433 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: to be able to do this without a good guide, 434 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: because most of the people in the rural parts of 435 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico especially only speak uh, they only speak Spanish, 436 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: and they may if even if they know a little 437 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: bit of English, it's very very limited. So I fortunately 438 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: was able to meet a man named Manuel who was 439 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: a professional guide on the island and hire him to 440 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: be my own personal private guide. And I found that 441 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: uh in old San Juan. You know, the reception to 442 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: my chupa coopera t shirts was mediocre. They still weren't 443 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: quite seeing what I saw. I thought, you know, all 444 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: these cruise ship people would get it. But one of 445 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: the places that a lot of people love to visit 446 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: is the Unque Rainforest, which looks like something out of 447 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: a Doctor Seuss book. I mean, uh, it's it is 448 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: um it's the I guess it's the only tropical rainforest 449 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: in the United States because Puerto Rico is a US territory, 450 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: and um, I could just sit here and talk to 451 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: you for an hour about how majestic the eel junk 452 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: is and the trails and the waterfalls and it's just amazing. 453 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: And there was only maybe but this is a national park, 454 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, so there was only like one or two 455 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: gift shops that were even allowed to sell anything there, 456 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: but they were owned by individuals that had a contract 457 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: with the government. So Manuel says, well, let's go to 458 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: this gift shop. He says, I take people to the 459 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: young k I know these people who own this gift shop, 460 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: and you can go in there and pitch your T 461 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: shirts and I'll help you communicate with them. Like I said, great. 462 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: So we drove from San Juan I'm thinking to get 463 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: to the l Junque was probably like an hour and 464 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: a half or something like that. I mean, it was 465 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: a decent drive there. Uh, you go through some really 466 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: desolate kind of areas, you know, where there's just not 467 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: much of anything except lush vegetation. Finally, you know, we 468 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: went up this big, long, winding road and we get 469 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: into the junk and here on this little embankment on 470 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: the side of the road is this gift shop. And 471 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: I think they may have had like a little barbecue 472 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: thing out there or whatever. And I'm dressed in like 473 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: a Guya Bera shirt with one of my typical like 474 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: broad brim fedora's. This is like a straw fedora, and 475 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm I stand out like a sore thumb in this environment. Um, 476 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean you can imagine, I'm six ft two. I 477 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: don't look like I've ever had a sun tan. I have, 478 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: but I don't look like I have. And uh and 479 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking. I talk about weird stuff all the time. Okay, 480 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm kind of a memorable dude in this setting. So 481 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 1: I walked into this gift shop and it turns out 482 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: this was kind of a family owned thing, and it's 483 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: it's like, here's dad and his two sons, kind of 484 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: random things. So we I walk in there, everybody's all smiles, 485 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: were shaking hands, and Manuel starts explaining to them that 486 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: I have a T shirt that I'm interested in trying 487 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: to sell, and they're like OK, huh yeah, uh huh. 488 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: And so I take out my Chupacabra shirt and and 489 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: they go, yeah, well that that's the same one. So 490 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: you brought by a week ago, is this a new 491 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: one that you're kind of And I was like, I'm 492 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: something's lost in translation here, right, So I'm trying to 493 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: communicate through broken English and Spanish. And Manuel starts talking 494 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: to them and and they start laughing at everything, and 495 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: he starts telling me that they said that I, my big, 496 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: strange looking visage, had gone into that gift shop in 497 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, and I'd never been to the 498 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: ajan k rainforest. That's a pretty big thing. And Manuel 499 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: knows he's never taken me there. And they're telling me 500 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: that a week before, when I was in North Carolina 501 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: across the Atlantic Ocean. They're telling me that I came 502 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: in to their shop with this T shirt and was 503 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: giving them the same pitch. And after they're done laughing, 504 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: and they and I said there's no way, and Manuel 505 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: said there's no way. And once they actually once that 506 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: reality set it with them, their faces got kind of 507 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: pale and they looked at me as if they were 508 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: staring at a ghost. And there was almost a moment 509 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: where you could have heard a pin drop, and I 510 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: still get goose bumps thinking about it, to be honest 511 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: with you, because they all three of these people had 512 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: no doubt that I had come in there. I had 513 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: come in there with that shirt. It's impossible. It's impossible, um, 514 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 1: And that that was kind of the end of the pitch. Frankly, 515 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: I think that they were so freaked out by my 516 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: presence at that point that they didn't know what was 517 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: going on, and they probably thought I was some kind 518 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: of like, you know, schizophrenic guy who because from their 519 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: point of view, that it would be easier for them 520 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: to believe that I was some kind of schizophrenic guy 521 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: who had been there and didn't know about it or 522 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: remember it than for them to actually understand this whole 523 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: doppelganger thing. And that's another thing. It's like in my past, 524 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: especially when I got accused of pitching the fishing pole 525 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: thing that I didn't do. I mean, like, I'm a 526 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: logical person at best I can be, and you can't 527 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: have people come to you and tell you they've seen 528 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: your doppelganger do these things without stopping and considering the 529 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: fact that maybe I am crazy, Like maybe I am schizophrenic. 530 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: Maybe I have done these things and I just don't 531 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: know about it. But in this particular case, there was 532 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: no possible way I could have been there because there 533 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: would be a trail of uh plane reservations and hotel 534 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: reservations and all. See. Like that's when I really knew, like, 535 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: there's this is a paranormal phenomenon that's happening here. My 536 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: T shirt business never really took off in Puerto Rico. 537 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I haven't been there in 538 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: five years. So I'll bet I bet you. Now it's 539 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: a big thing. You're welcome somebody out there. But look, okay, 540 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: what does all this mean? All right, You've you've got 541 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: again the doubles, the paranormal doubles. You've got the people 542 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: out there who are just like, oh, that's my doppel gang. 543 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: But then you have this the idea that there's someone 544 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: out there who may be portraying you. Does this mean doom? 545 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: Like a lot of people I believe throughout history, Well, 546 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: it's certainly a scary thing to see your doppelganger, but 547 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: it might be it might be a warning though, Like, 548 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: for example, the composer I was telling you about Christophe. Look, 549 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,479 Speaker 1: he saw his doppelganger and he said, okay, I don't 550 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't need to be around that thing, and he 551 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: got away from it and it saved his life. When 552 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: the ceiling collapsed, Lincoln saw his double in the mirror. 553 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: Maybe that was an opportunity for Lincoln to change his 554 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: behavior so he would not be assassinated. But this also 555 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: could be you know, like I said, it could be 556 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: a doom thing or if you if you heat, it 557 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: could be like protection. Maybe some other version of yourself 558 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: is trying to take care of you. This reminds me 559 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the changelings as well. You know, I've 560 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: talked about changelings on this podcast. Is it possible that 561 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: there are also shape shifting demons or shape shifting angels 562 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: that might mimic you in order to go out and 563 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: to create uh to sort of frame you for doing 564 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: something that's good or bad. Like think about that. Like 565 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: sometimes if a if a demon shape shifts, it might 566 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: try to portray you as doing something bad and the 567 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: angel goes out, it's trying to help you and portray 568 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: you as doing something good. When we come back, I'm 569 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: going to tell you ultimately what I think about all this, 570 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: and then I have some fascinating emails from listeners to 571 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: read to you. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to 572 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: Strange Things all the I Heart Radio and Coast to 573 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: Coast a M para normal podcast network. I'll be right back. 574 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. There's more Strange Things coming right up. 575 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: The Coast to Coast a M mobile app is here 576 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: and waiting for you right now. 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Dolman. 586 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 587 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: Coast a AM paranormal podcast network. Then welcome back to 588 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: the final segment of this edition of Strange Things on 589 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am para 590 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: normal podcast network. I am your host, Joshua pe Warren. 591 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: And I know I've read this before, but it just 592 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: seems appropriate to read this email again. This came from 593 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: a man named Ernest Jonas who lives in Dallas, Texas. 594 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: He said, my grandmother lived in San Antonio, Texas. She 595 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 1: was in bed asleep around ten pm when she abruptly awoke, 596 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: sat up in bed and blurted out my nickname, Bubba, 597 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: four hundred miles away in Dallas, Texas. I was wide 598 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: awake in my bedroom when I clearly heard her voice 599 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: call out my nickname. My door was open, and the 600 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: sound came from the hallway. Uh. Is that kind of 601 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: a doppel gangoresque thing? The teleportation, the by location of 602 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: the spirit of the presence. Okay, so what does all 603 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: this mean here? Okay? Well, first off, let me just 604 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: say this. I think that when when people talk about doppelgangers, 605 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,919 Speaker 1: they they're they're using this word to represent different things. 606 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: It reminds me you've heard me say this before. Jim 607 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: Mars was the first person I heard say this. A 608 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: little green man runs through a room at a party 609 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: and one person says, look an alien, and the other 610 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: person says, look a leprechn and another person says, look 611 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: a demon. With ghosts, we run into this people say 612 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: I saw a ghost, Well what did you see? Because 613 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: people ask me what is a ghost? And I said, well, 614 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: what did you see? Because could be an imprint, uh, 615 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: could be an entity, could be some kind of object 616 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: moving that may or may not be paranormal poulter geist. 617 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like, people use this word ghost to represent 618 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: a lot of different things, and so getting the terminology 619 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: organized as step number one when it comes to solving 620 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 1: these things, and clearly people mean a lot of different things. 621 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: But when it comes to um, I think when it 622 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: comes to most of these classic doppelganger things, my feeling 623 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: is that we exist in multiple dimensions at once because 624 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: we are told the universe has many different dimensions mathematics mathematicians. 625 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: Right now they're telling us like, oh, there's eleven different 626 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: dimensions at least. Okay, I don't even really we can't 627 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,439 Speaker 1: comprehend what that means exactly. But if they're telling us that, well, 628 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: if if the universe has all these dimensions and I 629 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: exist in the universe, then I must exist in some 630 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: way into some degree, in some part in all of 631 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: these dimensions. You may get to just see the part 632 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,959 Speaker 1: of me in these three dimensions. But I exist within 633 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: these other dimensions, and these other dimensions may not be 634 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: as restricted by space time as the three dimensional body 635 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: the three dimensional aspect. So it may be that since 636 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: we have to be multiple dimensional or multiple dimensional people, 637 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: that we may have a part of ourselves that contains 638 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: some visage of ourselves that is able to be removed, 639 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 1: especially under certain circumstances or in the case of certain 640 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: special people. Uh, and go out there and and fulfill tasks. 641 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: And you know, as when it comes to like my 642 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: experience within Puerto Rico, I may not have been there 643 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: a week before with my t shirts pitching that from 644 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 1: my point of view, but I sure was thinking about it, 645 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: I sure was planning to do it. And so is 646 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: it possible that while I was thinking about it and 647 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: planning that somehow I literally was focusing so intensely I 648 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: sent a version of myself out there that manifested and 649 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: did the pitch for me when I was you know, 650 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 1: thousands of miles away or whatever. It kind of reminds 651 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: you of one of the explanations that was brought up 652 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: with Emily Saki, that is it possible that, uh, there 653 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: were this doppelganger she had was fulfilling some things that 654 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 1: she would have done as a teacher that she wasn't 655 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: doing or couldn't do, or you know you you know, 656 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: people say I can't do two things at once or 657 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: be in two places, Well what if you can? Sometimes 658 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: I think that that's probably what a lot of this 659 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: is all about. And it's the same thing with like, 660 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,919 Speaker 1: you know, carry or whatever coming into the photos store. 661 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: It's interesting that like, I have no I've never heard 662 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: of nobody's ever called me carry. There's no reference to that, 663 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: but uh, in my life. But it's it's very interesting 664 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: to think like maybe there was some version of myself 665 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: that was going out there, um just because I was 666 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: anticipating I was going to go to the store and 667 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: do this. But look, this is confusing. That's why this 668 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: show is called Strange Things. So that's the best I 669 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: can come up with right now. But I do want 670 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: you to contact me and send me, seriously a picture 671 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: if you have a picture of yourself with somebody on 672 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: the internet that looks like you. Okay, before we run 673 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: out of time, Let's get to some listener email, shall we. 674 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: These are always fun. Well, first off, I got this 675 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: email from a listener in Canada named Ray spelled r 676 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: e Y. Ray heard my podcast about my initial trip 677 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: to my new land in Rachel, Nevada near area fifty 678 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: one and sat down with a pendulum and did a 679 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: psychic reading on that. And here is what Ray came 680 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: up with. Uh. Ray says that my name Warren on 681 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,839 Speaker 1: that rock on the way in, on that cliff had 682 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: been put there by the c I A to distabilize 683 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: my journey. Okay. And then Ray goes on to say, 684 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: when you got to the little Alien, the the Scots 685 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: folks there who helped you, like you know that I 686 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: told you about the scotsman playing the bagpipes. Uh, he 687 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: was an asset. He is actually with the UK's m 688 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: I six Okay, that's like the James Bond outfit, and 689 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: Uh there to assist me in my journey. Uh. And 690 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: that these people are unrelated to my Boomerang UFO siding 691 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 1: the night before. But he thinks, I guess I'm r 692 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: e Y. I'm not honestly sure if Ray is a 693 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: is a he or she or what But anyway, R 694 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: Ray says that, um, this the the CIA and the 695 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: n M I six. We're helping me out. So I 696 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: don't know. What do you think? Thanks for your insight 697 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: on that, Ray. Okay, this comes from Michelle. Michelle says, 698 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm a new listener. I was listening to episode eighty 699 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 1: three and I had to share my experience with you. 700 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: In August of my brother and sister passed away literally 701 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: two days apart. I love and missed them both. I 702 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: was closest to my brother Gary. I was struggling with 703 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,760 Speaker 1: his death as it was sudden and unexpected. A little 704 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 1: less than a month after, I was with my wife 705 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: at Oatman, Arizona, when she felt compelled to enter a 706 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: consignment shop with various pieces of art. Now, before I 707 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: go on, I must explain that my brother had been 708 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: researching our Native American heritage before he passed. So fast forward. 709 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 1: My wife pulls me into this consignment shop and I 710 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 1: see this carved figurine of a shaman. I looked away 711 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: a couple of times, but kept getting pulled back, and 712 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 1: finally I intently studied the details of his face and 713 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:54,240 Speaker 1: then his eyes, and then I felt frozen in place, frozen, 714 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: not scared, just feeling deeply every second of my pain. 715 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 1: When I felt my brother's spirit leap from the figurine 716 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,760 Speaker 1: and passed through me, I suddenly felt weak and nauseous, 717 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,919 Speaker 1: but I knew it was him. I could smell his scent. 718 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: It was the most amazing experience of my life, and 719 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: from that moment, I have felt like he is always 720 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,399 Speaker 1: with me. Thank you for reading my email, and then 721 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: goes on to say, by the way, Coli is one 722 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: of my spirit guides. Thank you so much for that message. 723 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry to hear about the terrible loss you 724 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: have endured, but obviously the spirit is still with you. Okay, 725 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: it is time for us now to invoke good, positive, abundant, 726 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: prosperous energy into all of our lives for the next week. 727 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: Are you ready? Take a deep breath, If you can, 728 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: close your eyes, relax, Here is the good fortune ton. 729 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of the show. 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