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Speaker 1: Well, when your faith leads to prison and your boldness

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Speaker 1: Well, today's guest knows what it means to fight for life, literally,

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Kelly Dan.

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Speaker 2: This is the unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It is a wild story.

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Speaker 4: No, but the beauty of it is God is our

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Speaker 4: he will reign in all situations. He will, and so

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Speaker 4: he proves himself in that over and over. So we

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Speaker 4: cannot give up hope, right, We have to trust him

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Speaker 2: He's an awesome story, That's right, Anakin.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like, Lord, are we are you ready

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Speaker 2: Be patient way and I mean it will say God

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: But he comes through, always does. He's always on Tom

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Speaker 5: But this shows you just how important elections are and

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Speaker 1: It's true, It's true, Dorothy Newton, You're going to be

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Speaker 2: You know, it's one thing to say.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm courageous, I'm bold, I've got the grit, I've.

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Speaker 7: Got all these things.

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Speaker 3: What will you do? What will you do?

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Speaker 2: Cindy Murdoch, how are you doing?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 9: I'm okay sort of this her story our guests today

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Speaker 9: Our set mind of what we believe is honest and true.

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Speaker 9: We're going to see what happens when it's true.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Vice Versa.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know she was.

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Speaker 3: Grand jury.

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Speaker 10: They did, which you're supposed to be able to go

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Speaker 10: Well, they took my passport. I had to surrender that immediately.

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Speaker 10: But if they cannot diminish you in court, they will

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Speaker 10: diminish your character. So if you are moving with discrepancies,

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Speaker 10: they will leak that out to the media to expose

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Speaker 10: your character. So they didn't have that, but they took

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Speaker 10: my phone looking for that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you go through the trial. How many days

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Speaker 2: is at twelve?

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Speaker 1: And did you have testimony that you didn't crush your

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Speaker 1: the door? I mean, was there did they hear that?

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Speaker 3: Well? I did not get up and speak.

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Speaker 10: But the lady that claimed her hand was crushing the

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Speaker 10: door was caught in a lie on the stand and they.

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Speaker 3: Completely overlooked it.

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Speaker 10: She said that her hand was crushed and she could

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Speaker 10: not use her hand, and so that's why she was hoping.

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Speaker 3: This is what she said.

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Speaker 10: She was hoping that it would get better, but it

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Speaker 10: got worse and worse by the day, so she went

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Speaker 10: to urgent care. When she said her hand was crushed,

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Speaker 10: she couldn't use it. My lawyer then showed a video

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Speaker 10: of after her claiming her hand was her using her hand. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 10: but the jury, I guess they didn't buy it.

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Speaker 3: But also, I'm gonna be honest with you, my lawyer

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Speaker 3: wasn't that good.

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Speaker 10: My co defind is lawyer in my restaurant, A make

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Speaker 10: Haloya was amazing. My lawyer kind of piggybacked off of

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Speaker 10: him and was quite lazy. And I don't think he

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Speaker 10: took this case seriously. Obviously it's face Maybe people are thinking, oh,

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Speaker 10: they'll just get six months, it's just a political thing.

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Speaker 10: But when she sentenced me, I think that's when people realize, no,

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Speaker 10: this they're not planning. This is revenge and this is

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Speaker 10: persecution against Christians.

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Speaker 1: So they found you guilty and then tell us about

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Speaker 1: when the judge gave the sentence.

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Speaker 10: So before the judge sentenced me, I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 10: what I said to her. I said to her, feel

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Speaker 10: like I'm a Negro out of line. If I was

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Speaker 10: a real criminal, you would be popping me on the wrist, right,

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Speaker 10: And if I was a woman that danced half naked

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Speaker 10: on stage and twirl for you so that you can

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Speaker 10: get a vote, I want to be in this situation

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Speaker 10: right now.

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Speaker 2: What did she say back to you?

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Speaker 10: She said to me, you got a lot of support.

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Speaker 10: I see you have a lot of letters that came in.

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Speaker 10: Understand your daughters two years old. But you're young. You'll

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Speaker 10: get through this. You're Kid'll be all right. That was

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Speaker 10: and I'm not one to push racism, but there it

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Speaker 10: is happening.

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Speaker 3: I think there is.

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Speaker 10: A group of people who have been using the black

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Speaker 10: community to pander to push then they hail us, and

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Speaker 10: then they nail us.

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Speaker 2: So what was the sentence that she gave you.

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Speaker 10: Forty one months, which is three and a half years,

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Speaker 10: three and a half years for standing in front of abortions?

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Speaker 11: Right?

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Speaker 2: It's that girl. Okay. So we heard about it. Everybody

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Speaker 2: heard about it. Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 1: Remember thanking video on Instagram about it. I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. And we

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Speaker 1: actually reached out to your husband while you were in

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Speaker 1: prison and talked to him, and everyone was praying, and

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Speaker 1: then there was a change administration. And I think we

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Speaker 1: have that video. Let's just show what President Trump did.

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Speaker 11: Next.

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Speaker 12: We have a set of pardons for peaceful pro life

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Speaker 12: protesters who were prosecuted by the Biden administration for exercising

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Speaker 12: their First Amendment rights. Do you know many? I believe

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Speaker 12: it's twenty three, sir.

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Speaker 13: Twenty three people were prosecuted. They should not have been prosecuted,

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Speaker 13: none of many of them are elderly people. They should

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Speaker 13: not have been prosecuted. This is a great h designments.

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Speaker 12: They'll be very happy. So they're all in prison there,

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Speaker 12: some are summer, are out of custody.

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Speaker 13: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: How long did you serve?

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Speaker 3: Actually three years five days?

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Speaker 10: But how long did you actually three months.

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Speaker 1: Three months and five days instead of three and a

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Speaker 1: half years.

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Speaker 2: Crazy.

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Speaker 1: And here's Bevelyn coming out, and you know who's there,

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Speaker 1: her sweet husband and her little two year oldest.

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Speaker 7: Watch look at mama.

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Speaker 10: I'm home, I freeze, I'm free, I'm a free I'm

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Speaker 10: really free.

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Speaker 7: Thank you Jesus.

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Speaker 2: I love what Bevelyn said early on.

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Speaker 1: She's like, look, if I'm in sin, if I'm in Jesus,

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Speaker 1: I'm in Jesus. I want to go all out and

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Speaker 1: she's gone all out, and I know you loved hearing

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Speaker 1: her story. She articulated it so well. We are out

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Speaker 1: of time. But if you're feeling weayed down by your

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Speaker 1: past or shame, if you have had an abortion, I

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Speaker 1: want you to know God loves you and he is

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Speaker 1: our redeemer. He can use the darkest moments to bring

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Speaker 1: about purpose and glory and that's what he's done in

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Speaker 1: this case. And in fact, there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: movie about what has happened.

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Speaker 2: We look forward to that.

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Speaker 1: So if you're watching today, make sure and be watching

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Speaker 1: for that. Also, if you're watching and you can relate

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Speaker 1: to what she said or her story, maybe you've suffered

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Speaker 1: injustice and you can wow, you say, I really connected

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Speaker 1: with her related to what she's talking about. She talked

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Speaker 1: about some things I don't understand. You and I have

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Speaker 1: had many conversations about that, but you can relate to

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Speaker 1: some of the things she shared. Well, we're here for you.

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Speaker 1: Have amazing prayer partners. Literally, our prayer partners represent the world.

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Speaker 1: You've been in the Proud department and they're amazing. So

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Speaker 1: Pray with you.

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Speaker 2: But I do want to thank Bevelin for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Let us know our Table Talk is touching your life.

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Speaker 1: We love hearing from you. Of course, you can also

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Speaker 1: listen to the Jony Table Talk podcast, available now on

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Speaker 1: all the major platforms. Thank you, Bevelyn. Come back later

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Speaker 1: with the movies out in an update and what you're

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Speaker 1: doing and tell us what God's doing. Okay, come back

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Speaker 1: to the table. You're welcome here, and you're welcome here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching.

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Speaker 2: We love you. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 14: Bye bye for today.

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Speaker 1: So what can history teach us about God's plan for America?

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Speaker 1: So our guest today is helping raise up a generation

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Speaker 1: of believers who know their Bibles and their history. And

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Speaker 1: he's here to share from his new book, The American Story,

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Speaker 1: Rebuilding the Republic. But before we get to that, join

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Speaker 1: me around as a student at the table at Simon's.

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Speaker 15: Ready to learn, and I'm so excited. We live in

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Speaker 15: a great country.

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Speaker 2: We do.

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Speaker 15: There's so much great about it. So I'm excited for

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Speaker 15: this show.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I know you travel a lot abroad. I do, and

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Speaker 1: we love that. I mean, we love every country. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but when you come back home, I mean you realize

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Speaker 1: how blessed you are.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: It's just good stuff right here.

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Speaker 2: We need to be grateful for what we have. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Cindy Johnston, how are you hey?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing wonderful today.

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Speaker 15: Good.

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Speaker 16: Happy to be here and be able to talk about

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Speaker 16: our history in this country and how God has been

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Speaker 16: such a part this whole process. And I'm thankful to

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Speaker 16: be living in this country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I know that my daughter, Rachel Lamb Brown

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Speaker 1: loves history, so it's going to be right down your alley.

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Speaker 5: And dad love history and he passed along that love

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Speaker 5: for history to me. And I love to see there

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Speaker 5: is like this revival of this love for country here

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Speaker 5: in America, and it's really cool.

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Speaker 2: I just saw Target.

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Speaker 5: They're actually doing this like full lie, like American display,

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Speaker 5: patriotic display, and so I just love seeing like this

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Speaker 5: renewal of just love for country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That's good. Dorothy Newton, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great?

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of the history that's being taught

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Speaker 1: in our schools today is not accurate, and that a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuffs being left out, things have been changed

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Speaker 1: to have a real historian today to talk about it

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Speaker 1: has legitimate documents.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think it's going to be good. Yes, I

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Speaker 6: think it's going to be great. And you know what,

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Speaker 6: I'm always open to learn more and more. And it's

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Speaker 6: just it's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 1: It really is. Sidney Muronack, are you ready?

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Speaker 2: I am so ready.

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 9: You know, I was thinking that it's a shame that

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Speaker 9: we as Americans don't really study the history of this

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Speaker 9: country to keep rekindling the love for this country. And

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Speaker 9: I was just thinking at Christmas, we bought Little Constitutions,

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Speaker 9: a little book when we stuck it in all of

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Speaker 9: our adult children stocking, hoping that they might just get

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Speaker 9: back in there and be rekindled.

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Speaker 2: And be refreshed and to understand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Well, you know he is an author, speaker,

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Speaker 1: and president of Walled Builders. Please welcome our dear friend,

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Speaker 1: Tim Barton. I called you a historian. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: amazing your dad David Barton, and you have these like

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Speaker 1: photographic memories is.

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Speaker 2: It like copy paste. It's like a little like younger version.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing, like you'll see when he starts telling the stories.

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Speaker 1: But you guys really have one of the greatest libraries

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Speaker 1: of historical documents.

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Speaker 8: Is that right, Yes, ma'am, it's it's the only collection.

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Speaker 8: We have actually two museums in the dallas Worth area.

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Speaker 8: We have one just westfol Worth and Aledo we have

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Speaker 8: one and lost Colinis. But the one in Alito, which

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Speaker 8: is where our main location for wall builders is, we

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Speaker 8: have on display the only place in America you can

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Speaker 8: go and see documents from every single signer of the

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Speaker 8: Declaration and every signer of the Constitution. The only other

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Speaker 8: people that have those collections are places like the Smithsonian,

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Speaker 8: the Library of Congress, from National Archive, and we've been blessed.

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Speaker 8: We have tens of thousands of original documents. So any president,

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Speaker 8: any founding father you can name, we have some of

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Speaker 8: their handwritten documents.

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Speaker 1: So I know it's going to be difficult, but out

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Speaker 1: of all the documents that you have looked at, what

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Speaker 1: is one that really touched your heart and stood out

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Speaker 1: as far as maybe looking at our founding father's Constitution whatever.

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Speaker 8: We have a Geneva Bible that the Pilgrims came to

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Speaker 8: America in sixteen twenty. The Geneva Bible was part of

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Speaker 8: the Bible of Reformation, when the Bible hadn't been available.

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Speaker 11: To the modern world and their language.

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Speaker 8: And so when the Geneva Bible comes out, for example

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Speaker 8: in English, for people in England in Western Europe, this

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Speaker 8: is a revolutionary thing. And when the Pilgrims come to America,

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Speaker 8: the one who leads the Puritans in sixteen thirty. There's

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Speaker 8: a thousand Puritans that come initially with him, and this

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Speaker 8: is where he gives a famous sermon about America being a.

668
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Speaker 11: City on a hill.

669
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Speaker 8: We have a Bible from one of the families that

670
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Speaker 8: came with John Winthrop, and in the front of the

671
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 8: Bible it actually has their family genealogy and quill pen.

672
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Speaker 8: The Bible's from fifteen ninety and so that's it just

673
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Speaker 8: ones off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you've written these books the American Story, there's

675
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Speaker 1: one in two and this is just like a must

676
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Speaker 1: have for understanding.

677
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: America. The Story of America.

678
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Speaker 1: Just quickly tell about to both of these because I

679
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Speaker 1: know people want to get that and share with their children,

680
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: the grandchildren, et cetera, et cetera.

681
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, the America Story at the beginnings, we go from

682
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Speaker 8: Columbus through the Declaration, and we actually both books have

683
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Speaker 8: more than a thousand footnotes in the back of them

684
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Speaker 8: because we're trying to tell the honest story, and so

685
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Speaker 8: we use original documents to do it. And in using

686
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Speaker 8: those documents, we encourage people, please don't take our word

687
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Speaker 8: for this, like here's the actual letter where this is

688
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 8: what he wrote. But what we try to point out

689
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Speaker 8: to people is that most of what we think we

690
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 8: know today is not historically accurate for lots of reasons.

691
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Speaker 8: And when you go back and actually read from their

692
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Speaker 8: own writings, you realize that that even though these weren't

693
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Speaker 8: perfect people, they were people that buy and large not

694
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Speaker 8: only knew there was a God, there were people seeking

695
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Speaker 8: to be used by God for a greater purpose for

696
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Speaker 8: their future legacies, future generation for America. The second book

697
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Speaker 8: goes from the Constitutional Convention up through the first seven presidents.

698
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Speaker 8: So my dad and I are working we're going to

699
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Speaker 8: have a series of four or five of these that

700
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Speaker 8: kind of tell all of the American Stories. So these

701
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 8: are the first two installments chronological order, but he goes

702
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Speaker 8: Columbus through the first seven presidents.

703
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Speaker 1: If you tell a lot of the actual stories, like

704
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Speaker 1: you said, with the footnotes to back up, because truth

705
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Speaker 1: is so important, and I'm going to let everybody go

706
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Speaker 1: around because everybody wants to ask a history question. But

707
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: what would our founding fathers say about the state of

708
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Speaker 1: America today?

709
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they would lamit. One of the things

710
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Speaker 8: that John Adams wrote is if we ever come to

711
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Speaker 8: the place that we lose the foundation, he says, posterity,

712
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 8: you will never know how much it costs my generation

713
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Speaker 8: to preserve your freedom. He said, I hope you make

714
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Speaker 8: good use of it, or I show repent in heaven

715
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 8: that I ever took half of the pains we did

716
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Speaker 8: to create it. And so I think they would look

717
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 8: and go, what are y'all doing? But because we don't

718
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Speaker 8: know our history, we don't recognize that the founding fathers

719
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 8: are the ones who work so hard to make sure

720
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Speaker 8: we had a faith foundation. They quoted the Bible more

721
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 8: than any other book in their writings that it's not

722
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Speaker 8: even close. The Bible was the most important book. And

723
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Speaker 8: so in education. The Bible was the number one textbook

724
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 8: that kids.

725
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 11: Learned to read with.

726
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Speaker 8: When you went to university, you were required to be trilingual.

727
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Speaker 8: No matter what university you went to. You had to

728
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Speaker 8: know English for maybe obvious reasons. In America, know Latin

729
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 8: because you would read all the classics in Latin. But

730
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 8: then you had to know Greek because every university, your

731
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 8: freshman project was a translated portion of the Greek Septuagic

732
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Speaker 8: into English, so you had to know Greek. Well, this

733
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 8: was just part of basic American education. You have to

734
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Speaker 8: know the Bible. That's where you're learning to read from.

735
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Speaker 8: It was a tradition that nearly every American in their time.

736
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Speaker 8: The Founding Fathers wrote about this often for themselves. Standard

737
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Speaker 8: practice was able to read the Bible at least once

738
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Speaker 8: a year.

739
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Speaker 1: Well in our government was set up in the branches

740
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Speaker 1: based on Isaiah, the government that they studied in the Bible.

741
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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, correct, So talk just a little bit about that.

742
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Speaker 8: So when you look, for example, the Constitution, there's so

743
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Speaker 8: many elements and components of the Constitution that come directly

744
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Speaker 8: from the ideas they learned from the Bible. The fact

745
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 8: that we have a republican form of government. They recognized

746
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 8: that a king was ever God's idea.

747
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Speaker 11: I mean when they're leaving Europe right.

748
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 8: And they can point to where Samuel says this is

749
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 8: a terrible idea. Well, they say, well, what did God

750
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Speaker 8: do before the reci.

751
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: It never worked?

752
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, no, through the whole all of history Testament.

753
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And soestion was, what did God do before they

754
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 8: were kings? Well, Exitus eighteen twenty one choose from owing

755
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 8: you people to represent you leaders of tens, fifties, hundreds, thousands. Well,

756
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 8: it repeats it in Juteronomy one, repeats it in Juteronomy sixteen.

757
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Speaker 8: And so you go to the Constitution and there are

758
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 8: so many components, including the separation of powers, where George Washington,

759
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 8: John Adams, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton all wrote the reason

760
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 8: we have to have a separation of powers is because

761
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Speaker 8: the heart of man is wicked, deceitful. It can't be trusted,

762
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Speaker 8: so we can't centralize. And by the way, that's a

763
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 8: quote from Jeremiah seventeen nine, that the heart of man

764
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 8: is wicked and zful, it can't be trusted. And they

765
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 8: actually didn't put the verse reference by it that there's

766
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 8: a great letter from Benjamin Franklin over when he was

767
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 8: over in Europe. He wrote back to a pastor in America.

768
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 8: He said, when I'm over here, he said, if I

769
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 8: quote the Bible, and if I don't tell them what

770
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 8: I'm quoting, this is as foreign to them as if

771
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 8: I'm speaking a different language. He says, in America, I

772
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 8: can quote the Bible and I never need a reference

773
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Speaker 8: that I'm quoting it, because everybody in America could knows

774
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 8: the Bible. Well, this is what in their writings when

775
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 8: they say the heart of man is wicked deceitful, they

776
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 8: didn't Jeremiah seventy nine, but it's a verbatim quote. But

777
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 8: the reason it mattered, they said, we have to separate

778
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 8: powers because if we know the heart of man's wicked

779
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 8: and ethful, then if we centralized power when somebody's hearts

780
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 8: wick and etful, we're like, what are we going to do?

781
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: Well?

782
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 8: Now, we separate power so that when somebody's hearts wick

783
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Speaker 8: in and etful. And even the reason we have the

784
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 8: three branches, right, if you had a Supreme Court that

785
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 8: was bad, well, then you have Congress and the President

786
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 8: to keep them accountable. If you have a president's bad.

787
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 8: You have Supreme Court in Congress keep them accountable and ability.

788
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 8: That was it, because they know we can't trust the

789
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 8: heart of man solely in and of itself. But this again,

790
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 8: and actually in the book Building a Republic and the

791
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 8: American Store at the beginnings, we go through some of

792
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 8: this from their own writings at the moment when they

793
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 8: write it. Because it goes chronological, we will include part

794
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 8: of that letter. And it's also worth noting when we

795
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 8: tell those stories. Most history today is one of people's

796
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 8: least favorite subjects because it's names and dates in places. Right,

797
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 8: it's dates and dead people. Nobody wants to do that,

798
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 8: but it's interesting.

799
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: Like reading Leviticus or write numbers.

800
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 8: And so and somebody got so and so and I

801
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 8: don't even know. But what we try to do is

802
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 8: take more of a Bible approach, not from the Leviticus

803
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 8: or the number side. But if we all talked about

804
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 8: the story of King David and David chills Goliath, if

805
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 8: that was in a modern school setting, the question would

806
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 8: be in.

807
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 11: What year to David kill Goliath?

808
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 8: And none of us Bible lovers at this table can

809
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 8: answer that question. Why, Because the Bible doesn't tell us, well,

810
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 8: why did because that's not.

811
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 11: The point of the story.

812
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 8: Modern history emphasized what should have been the least significant moments,

813
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 8: and they removed what was the entire point of why

814
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 8: we did this in the first place. So this goes

815
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 8: back and it actually tells far more of the story,

816
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 8: not just names, dates and dead people, but it tells

817
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 8: the story, which makes it.

818
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 11: A much more fun.

819
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 5: There's a very common misconception when it comes to talking

820
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 5: about the separation of church and state. Can you clarify

821
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 5: what the Founding Brothers meant when they put that, because

822
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 5: a lot of people say the church should not be

823
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 5: involved in politics.

824
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 11: Yeah.

825
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 8: False, So that is entirely false. But what we've done

826
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Speaker 8: in modern culture, because we know so little history, we

827
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 8: have taken a phrase and confused it. That the Founding

828
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 8: Fathers believed in a separation.

829
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Speaker 11: From church estate, but not the way we do. They

830
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 11: believed in.

831
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 8: Separate institutions, but not secular institutions, right. I mean, the

832
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 8: Old Testament teaches us this. Moses was in charge of

833
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 8: the law in government, Aaron was in charge of the tabernacle,

834
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 8: the temple, the church. Well, those were separate institutions.

835
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 11: But God was over both of them. God gave Moses

836
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 11: all the law.

837
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 8: God gave Aaron all the instructions, right, I mean through Moses.

838
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 8: But God is the one that gives all those instructions.

839
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Speaker 8: In fact, if you go to King Uzaiah in Chronicles

840
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 8: twenty six, he was the one that God gave inventions

841
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 8: of war. He was coming back one day after a victory.

842
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 8: He goes by the temple. He wants to offer instants,

843
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 8: and the priest meets him and says, King, like, you

844
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 8: can't go in there.

845
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 11: I will do it for you.

846
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 8: And he says, I'm the king, like what is wrong

847
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 8: with you?

848
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 11: I do what I want.

849
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 8: And if you remember when King usaih inners the temple,

850
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 8: God struck him with leprosy.

851
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 11: He turned and fled left.

852
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 8: God had just given him victory in war. God was

853
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 8: not against King Usaiah. But God made very clear boundaries.

854
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 8: There's a separation of institutions. The founding Fathers knew that

855
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 8: very well because they had seen over in Europe where

856
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 8: there was a state controlled church, that the king would

857
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 8: actually determine the laws in theology for the.

858
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: Church and create new institutions correct and they said, with

859
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: what hey wanted, that was it, so they said in America,

860
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: we're not going to do it.

861
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 11: But they never thought.

862
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 8: There was a secular notion in government. And this is

863
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 8: where the very first time the Founding Fathers met, As

864
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Speaker 8: an example, September sixth, seventeen seventy four, the very first

865
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 8: motion made of their very first me meeting was to

866
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 8: open with prayer, and they discussed it. They brought in

867
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 8: the Reverend Jacob Duche. The opening prayer lasted for two hours.

868
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 11: Woow by record. Now, most churches would have a hard.

869
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 8: Time having in two hour permitting musdics, right, But these

870
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 8: are the Founding Fathers, and we can go through hundreds

871
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 8: of examples. By eighteen fourteen, there had been more than

872
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 8: eighteen fifteen, there had been more than fourteen hundred official

873
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 8: government issued prayer proclamations where governor's presidents or Congress called

874
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 8: on the nation or their individual states to times of

875
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 8: prayer and fasting or prayer and thanksgiving.

876
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 11: If the notion we're hearing of.

877
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 8: Separation church state means you can't have God in government,

878
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 8: then why did every single Founding Father who became a

879
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 8: governor do prayer proclamations calling on a specific day in

880
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 8: their state for a time of prayer and fasting or

881
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 8: a specific day for a time of prayer and thanksgiving.

882
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 8: Either they misunderstood the phrase or we've misunderstood the phrase.

883
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 8: And since they're the ones who did the constitution, I'm

884
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 8: going to think they didn't misunderstand it. We've just misrepresented

885
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Speaker 8: that today they believed in separate institutions, but not secular institutions.

886
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Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of people reference the letter sure

887
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Speaker 1: that Thomas Jefferson wrote, So explain that.

888
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

889
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 8: So in January first, eighteen o two, Thomas Jefferson wrote

890
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Speaker 8: a letter to a group of Baptist in Danbury, Connecticut.

891
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 11: Thomas Jefferson was the one.

892
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 8: When he was in Virginia, he had worked to remove

893
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Speaker 8: the Anglican Church as the official state established Church of Virginia,

894
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Speaker 8: which had gone all way by to James Town's founding,

895
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Speaker 8: because that's what England was under King Henary the eighth.

896
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Speaker 8: They became Anglican and so Virginia was officially an Anglican colony.

897
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Speaker 8: And Jefferson said that we should not give favoritism towards

898
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Speaker 8: the Englands.

899
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Speaker 11: Over everybody else.

900
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Speaker 8: We should have freedom of religion for all Christian people.

901
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 8: So he was the one that worked to remove the

902
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 8: England Church over Virginia. Well, the Danbury Baptist knew that,

903
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Speaker 8: and being up in Connecticut where they were, Connecticut was

904
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Speaker 8: a very strong Congregationalist, which was Puritan Pilgrim descendants.

905
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Speaker 11: That was kind of their thought.

906
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Speaker 8: And they were concerned that John Outa has just been president.

907
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 8: He was a very outspoken leader for supported by the

908
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Speaker 8: Congregationalist and they said, if we get another guy like that,

909
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Speaker 8: they might say, we're all going to have to be

910
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Speaker 8: Congregationalists in America. So Jefferson's president, they said.

911
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Speaker 11: This is the guy we need. Can you make sure?

912
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Speaker 8: In their letter they write in October of eighteen oh one,

913
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Speaker 8: they say, can you make sure that you do something

914
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Speaker 8: to ensure our religious freedom? And the letter he writes

915
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Speaker 8: back January first, eighteen oh two, he says, you don't

916
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 8: need to worry about losing this. He says Congress has

917
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 8: already made sure that your freedom is forever secure because

918
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 8: in the First Amendment, which has Congress shall make no

919
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 8: law respecting an establishment religion or prohibiting the perticises there of.

920
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,479
Speaker 8: He says, we've erected an eternal wall of separation between

921
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 8: church and state to make sure the government can never

922
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Speaker 8: interfere with the religious expressions.

923
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Speaker 1: The government cannot interfere. But they switched it yes and

924
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Speaker 1: said the church, you know, can't.

925
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Speaker 8: Right now we're saying that we can't have religion in government.

926
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Speaker 8: But but here's where I would go even one further

927
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Speaker 8: and maybe kind of to your thought. A minute ago

928
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Speaker 8: two Thomas jeff January first, eighteen o two was a Friday.

929
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Speaker 8: Two days later Sunday. Jefferson doesn't just go to church.

930
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Speaker 8: He goes to church in the US Capitol Building, a

931
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Speaker 8: church that he actually approved to meet in the Capitol Building.

932
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Speaker 8: And the pastor who spoke that Sunday was the pastor

933
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Speaker 8: of Thomas Jefferson and personally invited John Leland.

934
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Speaker 11: So if Jefferson admitt.

935
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Speaker 8: With separation from church to state that you can't have

936
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Speaker 8: religion and government, then why did he go to church

937
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Speaker 8: at the Capitol Building and listened to the pastor that

938
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Speaker 8: he personally invited to come speak on that Sunday?

939
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Speaker 2: So good? So good?

940
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Speaker 15: I would have enjoyed his and Leviticus more if I

941
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Speaker 15: knew it this way. I know you have kids three

942
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Speaker 15: and six, I believe, and I have grandkids and I

943
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Speaker 15: know they are not going to learn this in school.

944
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Speaker 15: Do you have something for them that we could be

945
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Speaker 15: teaching them, any material.

946
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Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am.

947
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Speaker 8: So at wibblers dot com we do have resources and

948
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Speaker 8: material for younger kids.

949
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Speaker 11: We actually have some coloring books with some.

950
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Speaker 8: Stories in it. But even with these two books in

951
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Speaker 8: the American Story, we have them written where even homeschool

952
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Speaker 8: parents can use them in upper elementary. They can be

953
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Speaker 8: used in middle school or high school, depending on you know,

954
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Speaker 8: when you want to cover some of these materials. But

955
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Speaker 8: it's also written in such a way one of the

956
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Speaker 8: things that unfortunately most parents don't realize how poor their

957
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Speaker 8: education has been either.

958
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Speaker 11: And I would.

959
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Speaker 8: Encourage, like most parents go back and relearn this because

960
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Speaker 8: just like it used to be growing up where sunny

961
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Speaker 8: school would there'd be like maybe storyboard, right, and we're

962
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Speaker 8: learning David killing the wliat you know, phone board or

963
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Speaker 8: whatever it is. So I would say one of the

964
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Speaker 8: things is so important is parents to learn the story

965
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Speaker 8: so that then they can help tell the story at

966
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Speaker 8: age appropriate level. You know, there's some parts that even

967
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Speaker 8: in the book, like we have a little discovered the beginning,

968
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Speaker 8: there's a few moments where we talk about cannibalism in

969
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Speaker 8: America and some like could.

970
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Speaker 11: Be intense moments for kids. Like parents just becautioned these sections.

971
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Speaker 8: You don't want to read it first. But that's what

972
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Speaker 8: we would say is there's a lot of great resources

973
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Speaker 8: on our website, but also even these books for parents

974
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Speaker 8: to know, so then they can even walk their kids

975
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Speaker 8: through read and telling some of these stories to relearn

976
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Speaker 8: who some of those heroes were.

977
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Speaker 16: How and why have these facts not been brought forth

978
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Speaker 16: over the years into public schools and into society in general.

979
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: How has that started just going.

980
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 8: Away with education?

981
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Speaker 11: There's a long history.

982
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Speaker 8: We can back up with progressives when they took over

983
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 8: in the early nineteen hundreds, they changed the goal of education. Ultimately,

984
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 8: what they did is they stopped they stopped creating thinkers,

985
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 8: and they started producing memorized and repeaters. And so most

986
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Speaker 8: people now have not learned the stories because it doesn't

987
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Speaker 8: help support what the point of education has become and

988
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 8: going back to what education used to be. We wanted

989
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Speaker 8: people to be thinkers, problem solvers and know the story,

990
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Speaker 8: and we've just shifted the idea in modern education.

991
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Speaker 6: What are some victories today that's happening in America?

992
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: That gives hope.

993
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 8: Well, I think there's actually a lot happening right now,

994
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Speaker 8: and unfortunately a lot of news networks aren't covering them.

995
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 11: But we are seeing.

996
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 8: Incredible victories from the pro life battlefield, where states are

997
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,479
Speaker 8: doing things to protect it.

998
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 11: And defend life.

999
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 8: But even things like the Ten Commandments being now at Texas,

1000
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Speaker 8: where we are one of the states that's actually past

1001
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Speaker 8: the Ten Commandments are going to go back in every

1002
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Speaker 8: public school classroom in Texas. The same thing within God

1003
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 8: we trust legislation. There's legislation that's allowed chaplains. There's more

1004
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Speaker 8: than twenty states that now have chaplains in schools in

1005
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Speaker 8: their states, and that list is growing.

1006
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Speaker 11: There's a law now.

1007
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Speaker 8: Pass in Texas where Bible and prayer time is allowed

1008
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 8: every day for every teacher and every student. There's a

1009
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 8: lot of really positive things. When we look at what

1010
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 8: made America a unique, special, prosperous nation.

1011
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 11: The foundation that made us different was.

1012
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Speaker 8: The Bible, and the Bible has been actively removed for

1013
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 8: the last sixty years.

1014
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 11: But we're at a place.

1015
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Speaker 8: Now that we can restore that and we are seeing

1016
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Speaker 8: it restored in real time, which is pretty amazing.

1017
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: Wow.

1018
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 9: Nice, you know, Wall builders was trying to get some

1019
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 9: ads out and.

1020
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Speaker 2: It was rejected.

1021
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so tell us about that, and then what can

1022
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Speaker 9: all of us do in a way to help support

1023
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Speaker 9: and make it happen.

1024
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Speaker 11: So we were in Washington, D C.

1025
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Speaker 8: Where there are the Smithsonian Museums, so many school kids go.

1026
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Speaker 8: We wanted to take out ads and put them on

1027
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Speaker 8: buses and various places and even the metro stations where

1028
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 8: people would see.

1029
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Speaker 11: Basically there was.

1030
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Speaker 8: A QR code was all we were doing. There was

1031
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Speaker 8: a picture of George Washington kneeling in prayer and it

1032
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 8: had the word Christian with a question mark. There was

1033
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Speaker 8: a QR code. Like to find out more, go here.

1034
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Speaker 8: And we had an article where we just had quotes

1035
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Speaker 8: from Founding fathers and had a little disclaimer up front

1036
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Speaker 8: that even though not every Founding father we wouldn't argue

1037
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Speaker 8: was a devout Christian, most of them were. And here's

1038
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Speaker 8: just some of the things they said about their faith.

1039
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Speaker 8: And then so then we have this long list. Well,

1040
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 8: in Washington, d C. They said, wait a second, you

1041
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 8: can't have religious advertising in DC and that's too politically controversial.

1042
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Speaker 8: And so our friends Kelly Shako for First Liberty, they

1043
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 8: represented us we were able to win that case, and

1044
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Speaker 8: so then our ads actually did run.

1045
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Speaker 11: In Washington, d C. Where they were on buses, they.

1046
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Speaker 8: Were in the metro stations where people could actually just

1047
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Speaker 8: go on that QR code and see what are the

1048
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Speaker 8: Founding fathers actually say And when you go to their writings,

1049
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 8: it's so different than what most of us have been taught.

1050
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Speaker 5: About their belief I'm curious, because you mentioned this at

1051
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Speaker 5: the beginning of the program, what are some of them

1052
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 5: the biggest misconceptions that are being taught, that are history

1053
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 5: that actually aren't accurate that people would be surprised to

1054
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: find out, yes.

1055
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 8: That there's not a single signer of the Declaration or

1056
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 8: Constitution that was a atheist, agnostic or a deist.

1057
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Speaker 11: Which we hear today.

1058
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Speaker 8: Well, you know Franklin Washington, they were all DEAs, none

1059
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Speaker 8: of them or.

1060
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Speaker 1: DNA, said Jefferson, saying right, yeah.

1061
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Speaker 8: Now, now I might look at it like a Franklin,

1062
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Speaker 8: and I wouldn't argue he was a Christian. But he's

1063
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Speaker 8: the same guy who during the conscontation gonna mention when

1064
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 8: it's all fall apart. The longest speech he gave was

1065
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Speaker 8: challenging all of the other delegates there to a time

1066
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 8: of prairies that if God doesn't help us will never succeed. Well,

1067
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Speaker 8: that's not an atheist agnostic gardist. Now, he wasn't sure

1068
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Speaker 8: about the divinity of Jesus at the end of his life,

1069
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Speaker 8: so I wouldn't say he's a Christian, but he wasn't

1070
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Speaker 8: anti Christian ever. His whole life or the idea of

1071
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 8: the Founding Fathers were all these racists big as as slaveholders.

1072
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Speaker 8: The vast majority of the Founding Fathers actually came out

1073
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Speaker 8: against slavery, and many of them never had slaves. Many

1074
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Speaker 8: of them who had slaves actually freed their slaves in

1075
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Speaker 8: their lifetime.

1076
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Speaker 11: But we're not told their stories.

1077
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Speaker 8: We're told about well with Thomas Jefferson, he had slaves,

1078
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Speaker 8: Washington had slaves. Cool, you've named two of more than

1079
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Speaker 8: two hundred Founding fathers. Who else do you know they

1080
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Speaker 8: had slaves and what's their story? And the problem is

1081
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 8: we don't know the story. We hear the accusations, and

1082
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Speaker 8: because we don't know the story, we often believe the accusations,

1083
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Speaker 8: even though largely they're historically unground did and so part

1084
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 8: of what we do going back and telling the story,

1085
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 8: people can see not just what the accusation was, but

1086
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 8: what did they actually do and how it's so different

1087
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Speaker 8: than what they're accused of today.

1088
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Speaker 11: So some of the.

1089
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Speaker 1: Best presidents that America has had and some of the

1090
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Speaker 1: worst presidents as it relates to what our founding fathers intended.

1091
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Speaker 8: Yeah, so for the original intent for the foundation Constitution,

1092
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Speaker 8: obviously George Washington. He's the guy that started it all.

1093
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 8: He helped do the Constitution. He was one of the best.

1094
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 8: You could point to people like Abraham Lincoln who had

1095
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 8: the courage and backbone significant moment in American history. We pointed

1096
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Speaker 8: someone like a Calvin Coolidge, who's considered one of the

1097
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Speaker 8: most constitutional presidents in our nation's history. Maybe even a

1098
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 8: guy like Ronald Reagan, who, when you know an era,

1099
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 8: we were told America's going downhill, never going to recover,

1100
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Speaker 8: and it turns around.

1101
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 11: I'd even point to Donald Trump.

1102
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Speaker 8: With all of the criticism he gets, he is one

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Speaker 8: of the most constitutionally grounded presidents we've seen in our lifetime.

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Speaker 11: I mean, and not even close.

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Speaker 8: So I would say that's probably my top five. Andrew

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Speaker 8: Jackson actually is in my worst presidents because of what

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Speaker 8: he fundamentally did to change America, and then you have

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Speaker 8: guys like an FDR because of bringing in progressivism. There's

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Speaker 8: several people I would point to Sir Roosevelt where they

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Speaker 8: correct Frank Millan Roosevelt for fundamentally changing what the American

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Speaker 8: system was about and saying, no federal government should be

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Speaker 8: the one to meet all your needs.

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Speaker 11: It used to be we knew God met our needs.

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Speaker 1: Did his wife have a lot of influence on him?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 11: Correct?

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Speaker 8: The same with thing with Woodrow Wilson, a very bad president.

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Speaker 11: His wife was very influential.

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Speaker 8: Maybe even like a Joe Biden whose wife was very influential.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the damage that we've seen from some of

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Speaker 1: these presidents, it's interesting. It's almost like you can go

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Speaker 1: back and read about the kings. You have a good king,

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Speaker 1: a bad king. You go backwards, you go forward. But

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Speaker 1: are you hopeful for what you're seeing happen now? Some

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Speaker 1: of the doors that are open, even our Supreme Court decisions.

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Speaker 8: I'm very hopeful for lots of reasons. We're seeing God

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Speaker 8: on the move all over the nation. We have the opportunity,

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Speaker 8: we do a lot of traveling on a yearly basis,

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Speaker 8: and it's so evident I mean, we've seen and talked

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Speaker 8: about even on your program before, like the baptisms in California,

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Speaker 8: rightand seven hundred people baptized. Well, there were baptisms in

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Speaker 8: Atlanta just a couple of weeks later where they did

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Speaker 8: sixteen hundred baptisms in Atlanta.

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Speaker 11: We're seeing God on the move all over the nation.

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Speaker 8: We actually have a president who loves America and one

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Speaker 8: who recognizes that not only is there a God, but

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Speaker 8: God saved him on purpose for a reason. It's been

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Speaker 8: a while since we've had a president even acknowledged something

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Speaker 8: that simple. And so there's a lot of reasons I'm

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Speaker 8: very hopeful.

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Speaker 1: Well, and we have to say this, we're out of time.

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Speaker 1: But when you talk about man that God has used,

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Speaker 1: he always uses imperfect yes people, Yes, so we can

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Speaker 1: talk about King David, man after God's own heart, but

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Speaker 1: he murdered a man, he committed adultia.

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Speaker 8: I mean, President Trump would fit in Hebrews eleven very well,

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Speaker 8: because that was an incredibly flawed list of murderers, right, Prostitutes, womanizers,

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Speaker 8: flawed list, right, Yeah, but look how God use them

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Speaker 8: in an amazing ways. Yeah, and God can do that right, correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: Hebrews eleven should be one of the most hopeful chapters

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Speaker 8: we ever read, because we should go if God can.

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Speaker 11: Use them, he can use me.

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Speaker 1: You have Rahab been there? Who is a prostitute?

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Speaker 11: Correct?

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Speaker 1: You know, think about that. It is in the lineage

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Speaker 1: of Jesus, so interrect This is good?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yes, yeah, so good.

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Speaker 1: Well we're out of time today. But I want you

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Speaker 1: to remember we're not just called to learn from history.

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Speaker 1: We're called to make history with God. And I've heard

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Speaker 1: people say that history is His story and that our

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Speaker 1: founding fathers. Of course, like our founding fathers, we need

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Speaker 1: to stand up, speak truth and lead in this moment.

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Speaker 1: You need to get out and be a part of

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Speaker 1: your community, your school board. I mean how important is

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Speaker 1: that so important to get involved in what's going on

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Speaker 1: with our schools and with our children and with the world,

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Speaker 1: and I mean so many things happening. God's given you

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to speak up and to speak truth. And

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Speaker 1: I want to just say, like, as believers, be kind, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to be a in.

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Speaker 2: Vain and angry.

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Speaker 1: And you know God loves everyone.

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Speaker 2: We love everyone.

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Speaker 1: And today if you're watching and you need prayer, that's

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Speaker 1: why that prayer line numbers on the screen. If you're

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Speaker 1: watching today and you don't know the Lord, but you

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Speaker 1: would like to know him, I would just encourage you

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Speaker 1: to call that number on the screen and just invite

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Speaker 1: Jesus into your heart right now. Just save Jesus.

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Speaker 2: I need you.

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Speaker 1: I always talk about my Grandpa Trammel, who just said, God,

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Speaker 1: if you're there, I.

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Speaker 2: Need you know what to pray.

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Speaker 1: He just said God and needs you, and God transformed

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Speaker 1: his life. He wants to do that for you too.

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Speaker 1: The most important prayer you can pray is to invite

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Speaker 1: Jesus into your heart and ask.

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Speaker 2: Him to forgive you.

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Speaker 1: Because the Bible says all have sinned and come.

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Speaker 2: Short of the Lord Glory of God.

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Speaker 1: All of us sitting at this table have sinned and

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Speaker 1: come short, and we have all prayed and asked Jesus

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Speaker 1: to come into our hearts, and he has changed our lives.

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Speaker 1: He wants to do that for you.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank Tim for joining us to

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Speaker 1: get a copy of his book. Both these books find

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Speaker 1: out more about his ministry. This is such a great

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Speaker 1: thing for kids.

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Speaker 2: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: Visit wall builders dot com both one and two. There

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Speaker 1: would be a three and four coming out and the stories.

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Speaker 1: That's what interests me all about y'all. But I love

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Speaker 1: to read, and these are stories that are backed up

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Speaker 1: by documents. So as always, make sure to follow us

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Speaker 1: on social media. You can subscribe to our YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: in all and all major platforms. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for watching. Thank you Tim, Yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: love and appreciate your little photographic memory there. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just excited about what you're doing and the truth that

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Speaker 1: you're sharing, these stories that actually happen that we can

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Speaker 1: know and understand, and I know you've been blessed by

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Speaker 1: it as well. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you, ladies,

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Speaker 1: See you next time. Bye bye for today.