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Speaker 1: Y s KSE selects, I chose How Disco Works, which

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Speaker 1: is one of my favorite, all time favorite episodes. Um,

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Speaker 1: and you'll know what I'm talking about in a second.

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Speaker 1: When I say that, I feel like if we all

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Speaker 1: how to video on the Hustle also domus Chuck's big

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Speaker 1: presentation after his first trip to Max Funcan instead of

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Speaker 1: listener mail, It's a very special treat. At the end

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Speaker 1: of this episode, which was first released in July of

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Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, enjoy Welcome to Stuff you Should Know

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Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant

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Speaker 1: getting on down with his bad self. Get on down,

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Speaker 1: mat to cow the Hustle. H Oh, is that what

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Speaker 1: you're doing? Actually looked up the Hustle because I wasn't

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Speaker 1: quite sure what it was specifically, and yeah, because no

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Speaker 1: but then I saw it was like, oh yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: like sort of the boogie night stance they did was

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Speaker 1: because they're like a hand rolling. Yeah, there's a little

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Speaker 1: step up, a little step back, a little like side

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Speaker 1: three sixty clap clap, little John Travolta Saturday Night fever

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Speaker 1: hand action, little little hand roll, the little uh what

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Speaker 1: do you call that? This would be much better visually.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Why don't we get you just

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Speaker 1: a quick how to video and we'll post it? Sound good? Yeah? Sure? Okay,

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Speaker 1: well you'll be held to that. Great. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: start looking for clothes after um, so, chuck, you're doing well,

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Speaker 1: feeling invigorated by the Presidential Executive Orders episode as you

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Speaker 1: ready for this? Buires me up for disco, so forward disco. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's start at the end. I thought that Molly did

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Speaker 1: There was a night uh in nineteen nine. It was

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Speaker 1: the I guess the owners of the White Sox had

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Speaker 1: started to create these promotions, and one of them that

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Speaker 1: night on July twelve, UM had been created by rock

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Speaker 1: it looked him up. Actually, he was fired. This is

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Speaker 1: And this thing was like virulent, right, I missed us

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Speaker 1: The most recent that is? That is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: The music music, it was tent Yeah. Uh you know

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Speaker 1: the people that got caught up in this disco way, Disco, Christmas, Disco,

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Speaker 1: that John Languizamo mhm, Saturday Night Fever changed everything, Josh, great,

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Speaker 1: He said, he made up practically the whole thing, Like

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00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: he just got in to New York and like just

421
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: started hanging out and just wrote the thing. Wow, I

422
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: can't believe he made it all up. He did. Crazy

423
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: great movie though, and famous for the uh not only

424
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: the dancing, uh, great story, coming of age story. Um.

425
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: And the suit, the white suit with the black shirt.

426
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: The black shirt wouldn't have popped nearly as much without

427
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: that black no, no, no, the in the white vest,

428
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: which Jeans Ciskel owned for a while. Yeah, it's now

429
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: at the Museum of Music, and I think New York. Yeah,

430
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: well Ciscle cleaned up on it. He bought it in

431
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: seventy eight because he was such a huge fan of

432
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: the movie. Bought it for two grand, sold it in

433
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: nice that fat cat, and he's no longer with us. Um.

434
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: But the clothing was a huge deal. The fashion of

435
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: disco was arguably as important as it was just all

436
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: a part of the scene. It was all intermingled, the polyester,

437
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: the spandex, the tight clothes, revealing as much skin as

438
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: you can, jewelry, leopard prints. It was like out of control. Yeah,

439
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: and it's kind of come back of course, like all

440
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: fashion does. Yeah, well, especially with that early eighties throwback,

441
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: that skill went on or that was going on. No,

442
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I think we've reached mid to late eighties, like the

443
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: the Fresh Prince years. It wasn't take twenty years supposedly

444
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: or something like that supposedly, So grunges next, I guess

445
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: we'll be flying the flannel. So not looking forward to that.

446
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I still got my flannel. I'll be good. I'm covered.

447
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, uh, you talked about Studio fifty four,

448
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: which is now still called Studio fifty four, but it's

449
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: a theater. Um another populo club. If you live in

450
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: New York, you might be walking by these places and

451
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: not even realize it. Yeah, like, um, the Sanctuary which

452
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: became Limelight made famous, and Party Monster that's now like

453
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: a church that you can shop in. Well, Paradise Garage,

454
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: very famous. Um on King Street in New York, very famous.

455
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: Discotheque is now Verizon, is there really? Yeah? Man Zenon

456
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: on West forty three Xenon was a huge discotheque and

457
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: it is now the Stephen Sondheim Theater. Okay, well you

458
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: can do worse than that, exactly. So if you're walking

459
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: around New York and you see these places, just remember

460
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: there was a lot of drugs and sex and dancing

461
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: going on there thirty plus years ago. Yeah, people forgetting

462
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: their economic turmoil troubles. That's right. Stop you know, stop

463
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: you stop, you know stop. Um So we said that, well,

464
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: you said that the record industry kind of took a hit,

465
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: um because of the disco. Yeah, people were not buying

466
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: their albums by their favorite artists because there were no

467
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: favorite artists, and there was like it took a little

468
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: while for the effects to show up, but from like,

469
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: records sales dropped by like two million units. That's a

470
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: lot um. And so the record industry turned on disco. Eventually,

471
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: this this thing that had created this kind of vapid

472
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: um very quick, very attractive, sexy movement, or helped promote

473
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: it and push it out into the mainstream like and

474
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: shoved down everybody's throats were the ones that turned their

475
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: back on it. Um. I don't think people were quite

476
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: ready to yet, but the record industry was. And um

477
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: that probably more than anything, led to discost demise more

478
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: than this Chamiskey Park thing. I mean that's like a

479
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: it was symbolic. It was very symbolic. But if the

480
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: record industry is no longer agreeing to produce disco records,

481
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: there's no disco records, and it doesn't matter if people

482
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: wanted it or not. And you know, looking back, it

483
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: was bound. It was bound to be a fad. It's

484
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: not a lasting thing, although it's come back around now

485
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: with stuff like Scissor Sisters and well not just that go.

486
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: The reason why this the title of this episode is

487
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: in present tenses because maybe the name died, but that

488
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: four on the floor beat and then what now a

489
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: company with like electronic music that never went away? No,

490
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: you're right, it may have fitted in the background. Now

491
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: it's like all over the radio, like Katy Perry stuff

492
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: and Britney Spears stuff. I'm told um they they they

493
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: used the same stuff. It's just disco. It's just a

494
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: different name for it. At its peak, Josh Disco was

495
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: a four billion dollar industry and they claim more than

496
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand UH discos in the United States. It's a lot.

497
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: So they spread from the city's clearly to uh the

498
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: Bible Belt, the rust Belt, the Heartland, and uh as

499
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: we'll get into now. It wasn't very accepted by the

500
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: white male establishment a k a. Rock and roll fans exactly. Yea. Um,

501
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: and people just kind of on the surface, it's just

502
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: because you know, discoing rock, they don't they don't go together,

503
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: you know. But there's a lot of, like we said

504
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: at the beginning, cultural critics who say, you know that

505
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: people who were into disco didn't think about rock, they

506
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: didn't care about rock. No, they were high and dancing.

507
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: People who are into rock hated disco. Why it was

508
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: a threat, they claim, and they were probably very right

509
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: to their what they thought were good American values. They

510
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: didn't like gay people, didn't probably like black people in

511
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: latinos or women do. He was hogging the spotlight because

512
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: rock and roll in the nineteen unless your name is

513
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: like Patti Smith, it wasn't a big haven for female

514
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: singers or like a Grace Slick. She was backed up

515
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: by an all male band. You know, it was like

516
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: very rare for like a female lead. And even then

517
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: she was like the one girl and a guy band,

518
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, unless they're the Runaways, I guess, right, which

519
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: is like they made a movie about him, was such

520
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's a good point.

521
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Chuck but for the most part, disco represented everything that

522
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: was a threat to the white straight establishment, and that's

523
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: why a lot of people think that this whole disco

524
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: sucks movement came about. So if you are one of

525
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: those people who's just like disco sucks, maybe should reevaluate

526
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: exactly why you think disco sucks. Is it really just

527
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: the music? And if it is, hey, man, like, I'm

528
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: sure that's the case. But if there's probably a lot

529
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: of people out there who think disco sucks and don't

530
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: even know that disco is pretty gay and maybe that's

531
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: why you don't like it, or disco is pretty black

532
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: and maybe that's why you don't like it, or maybe

533
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: you just hate women. Maybe maybe you should go work

534
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: on your relationship with your mother and then take another

535
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: listen to disco and see if it sounds any sweeter. Well,

536
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: it's the whole lifestyle was It was hedonistic. Uh, You

537
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: had the village people as sort of the cartoonish face

538
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: of of the gay movement at the time, you know,

539
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: dressing up and you know, it was it was not

540
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: accepted in in these rock and roll circles in the

541
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: Midwest and in the South, and it just was not cool.

542
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: But even in New York or London or wherever, like

543
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: you got punk punk punk, people hated disco, but at

544
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: least they for the most part had a legitimate like

545
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: the stand on which was punk was intended to be

546
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: political and disco was not political at all, like Mark

547
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: Mother's Ball, said, Mother's Ball or Mother's braw Okay. He

548
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: he apparently went to Studio fifty four and had a

549
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: crazy experience on pcp UM. But he said that disco

550
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: was like a dumb girl with good looks and good body, uh,

551
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: which is kind of like it's an apt description I

552
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: guess of disco in a way. Yeah, that makes sense.

553
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: So this guy who wrote this book, what's it called, Uh,

554
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: His name is Peter Shapiro. He wrote Turned the Beat

555
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: Around colon the Secret History of Disco. Yeah, he argues,

556
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: and he makes a pretty good point that disco was

557
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: the most democratic musical form ever in the history of music. Yeah,

558
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: he said, it's the most democratic form of popular music

559
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: ever conceived. And it really brought about the gay culture

560
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: into the mainstream, even though it wasn't super accepted in

561
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: all circles. It was the first time it was like

562
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: in your face out in the open. We're dancing, and

563
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: here's the village people exactly who I used to draw

564
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: pictures up. I still have one. Yeah, I still have

565
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: this crayon photo, our photo crayon drawing that I did

566
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: of the village people. And I wore that album out,

567
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: and I'm sure my parents were like, what's going on,

568
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: especially like Stone Mountain, Georgia, in like, can I just

569
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: like a leather daddy? For I thought the biker guy

570
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: was the coolest one. I was like, he's so tough.

571
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: Look at that must dand I, oh boy, it's funny too.

572
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: It was such an innocent time, you know, for me

573
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: at least, Yeah, it was. That was a good time

574
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: to grow up on aware because you could just love disco. Yeah,

575
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: doing all that stuff exactly. Uh what else you got? Oh,

576
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: I think we should we'd be remissing mentioning disco's role

577
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: in hip hop, like we said earlier, Um, you may

578
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: have noticed that that whole dejaying thing kind of crossed over.

579
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: And if you doubt disco as a foundation for hip

580
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: hop and rap, uh you look, you need to look

581
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: no further than what three the sugar Hill Gangs rappers

582
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: delight all that's almost all chics good times, just go anthem.

583
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: That's right, you were dead right, sir. Uh. And then

584
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: of course it's influence on, like we said, all dance

585
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: music to come, really electronica. It never stopped. You can't

586
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: stop the music, and I imagine it's going on now.

587
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: Like there's probably some very cool underground parties that you

588
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: and I will never ever ever ever know exist. Yeah,

589
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: um doing the same thing. Yeah, yeah, well Scissor Sisters

590
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: I mentioned them. I know there's a lot more bands,

591
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: but they're really like ripping on that old disco thing.

592
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: Very cool. Hercules and Love Affair, that's a good one.

593
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't know them. There's Anthony and the Anthony of

594
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: the Johnson's Yeah, his side project. Oh really it's pretty

595
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: it's very discosed. Love that guy. Um boy, he does

596
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: such like Morow's orchestral downbeat, not like that really, it's

597
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: like his other in different He's got to get out

598
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: his happiness so he can go do the Anthony and

599
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: the Johnston's thing. I'm trying to imagine him happy. That'd

600
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: be so weird. Anyway, I'm a fan of his. I'll

601
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: check that out. Yeah, new disco, it's all over the place.

602
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: It is, um, if you want to oh wait quickly,

603
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: we should say r I P. Because we lost to

604
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: disco ends recently to cancer. Oh yeah, Donna Summer and

605
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: Robin Gibb both passed within the past like a month.

606
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And who will be the third? Yeah, the

607
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: disco third. Well, there were four not disco, but four

608
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: musicians with cancer, and like the span of six weeks

609
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: was sad well, um, adam ya can and leave on

610
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: helm Oh yeah, Donna Summer and Robin Gibb bam four

611
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: in a row. So then who will be the other two? Yes? Jeez,

612
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: I hope nobody. I hope not too. Yeah. Um, I

613
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: said we were done with disco. We are the Nights

614
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: on Broadway and we are done with disco. Very nice,

615
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: which sucks. Um. I didn't like the music, yeah, like

616
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: dis guy of music. No, it's not, you know I was.

617
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: I was listening to rock and roll pretty early on.

618
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: I like it, I like, I like it all. But

619
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: then also I was listening to the Smith's Death of

620
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: a Disco Dancer, great song, um, and it makes you

621
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: wonder like, exactly why did that disco dancer die? That's right? Huh. Um.

622
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about disco, you can

623
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: type that in surprisingly enough to the search bar how

624
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: stuff works and it will bring up this article. And uh,

625
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: let's see. Since I said article, it's time for Chuck's presentation. Yeah,

626
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: Josh and Lieu of Listener Mail. Uh, I just got

627
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: back from Max fun con Um and I'm going to

628
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Speaker 1: do a little presentation called Max fun Plug because great

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Speaker 1: people are involved and we need to give them their day. Uh. Firstly,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Jesse Thorn and recognize Jesse Thorn,

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Speaker 1: friend of a friend of stuff. You should know, godfather,

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Speaker 1: great guy. Uh. He has an empire out there in California. Um,

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Speaker 1: a podcasting empire and you can podcasting and knockoff wallets. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a fashion icon. Uh, Jesse you can you can

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Speaker 1: go to maximum fund dot org to look up his bag.

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Speaker 1: He used to be the sound of Young America. Now

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Speaker 1: his main shows called Bull's Eye to the Interview show.

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Speaker 1: It's really great. We've been on it. Yeah, we talked

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Speaker 1: about Mexican wrestling on Was that on Bull's Eye? Yeah

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. I thought it might have been on Jordan

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Speaker 1: jesse Go oh Man, Okay, well, Jordan jesse Go since

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it is one of his other shows with

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Speaker 1: his partner Jordan's in there. That's a funnier one, although

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Speaker 1: they're all funny, but thanks to Jesse, he he has

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Speaker 1: this um concept that he's he's built the maximum fun

646
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Speaker 1: Empire on called New Sincerity. And it's just great. It's

647
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Speaker 1: nice people, it's it issues uh, cynicism, um and this

648
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Speaker 1: ironic crap. Oh that's cool that everyone does and it's

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Speaker 1: it's called new sincerity. It really says it all. Did

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Speaker 1: he found new sincerity? Is it like like a lightning

651
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Speaker 1: bull or a light bulb that he had? Yeah, that's cool.

652
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Speaker 1: I mean you google new sincerity and it comes up

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Speaker 1: as Jesse Thorne's mantra. I'm going to start taking him

654
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Speaker 1: more is more sincere than I always assumed he was

655
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Speaker 1: making fun of me. No, of course not. He's a

656
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Speaker 1: very sincere guy. And his wife Teresa and little little

657
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Speaker 1: baby Simon. We're all there and they're all doing great

658
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Speaker 1: and they're wonderful people. So Riff Tracks was in the

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Speaker 1: house yes, formerly Mystery Science Theater three thousand. Josh's Heroes

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Speaker 1: Uh Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett, Uh, Tom Serbo and

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Speaker 1: crot Robot people. They are fans of stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: And I flipped out email Josh and beyond that, they

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Speaker 1: are literally the two nicest guys I've met so far

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Speaker 1: in show business. You said that in the email. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can vouch for that. They are the nicest dudes

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Speaker 1: I've ever met in show business so far. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: And then includes John Hodgman. Hodgeman is not gonna like that,

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Speaker 1: but maybe he'll step it up. And I would say

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Speaker 1: Hodgman will take that as a challenge. Uh. You can

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Speaker 1: go to Riff Tracks r I F F t R

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Speaker 1: awesome and funny and we're supporting for sure. UM My Brother,

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Speaker 1: My brother and Me. We're on their show. The McElroy brothers, Justin,

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Speaker 1: Travis and Griffin hung out with them a lot, really

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Speaker 1: super cool dudes. They had their uh wives and girlfriends

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Speaker 1: with them, and uh, they were all sweet and funny

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Speaker 1: and nice and great people. And they have um a

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Speaker 1: great podcast called My Brother, My Brother and Me. New

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Speaker 1: episodes out every Monday. You can find that at maximum

681
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Speaker 1: fund dot org. Travis, who was the middle bro co

682
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Speaker 1: host a show also called In Case of Emergency that's

683
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Speaker 1: very funny. Um. And then Justin and his wife Sydney

684
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Speaker 1: have a show called Satellite Dish that's about TV shows

685
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Speaker 1: and they're both really funny. It was like literally all

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Speaker 1: six of them were six of the funniest people I've

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Speaker 1: hung around. That's really cool. It's like, man, Christmas must

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Speaker 1: be a blast around the map didn't even give each

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Speaker 1: other presence. This that around and like the light one another. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Mary Roach was there, author of Stiff, which we've plugged

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Speaker 1: but I heard her lecture. Susan Orlean lectures on science,

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Speaker 1: e authoring and cool stuff like that. So it was

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Speaker 1: like a workshop. Yeah, very cool. Susan Orlean was there.

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Speaker 1: She was great. Yeah, you know her as Meryl Street. Um.

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Speaker 1: I did not meet her, but she was. She was

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Speaker 1: great on stage as well. Josh Bierman who I met.

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Speaker 1: Joshua Bierman. He's one of Hodgeman's buddies. He is a

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Speaker 1: writer and you can find his work in Rolling Stone,

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Speaker 1: Wired Harper's This American Life, McSweeney's HuffPo. He's like all

702
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Speaker 1: over the place, and he is genuinely one of the

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Speaker 1: delightfully weirdest dudes I've ever hung out with in my life,

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Speaker 1: Like one of those guys just like, man, you are

705
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Speaker 1: you for hours. That kind of dude. Hodgeman has another

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Speaker 1: friend like that, David Reese, who I met. He's next

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Speaker 1: on you met David. Yeah, okay, he's awesome. I have

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Speaker 1: I have a David Reese story. Man. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: set up who he is first. David Rees is uh

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Speaker 1: during the Bush years. He is now an artisanal pencil sharpener.

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Speaker 1: And you heard me correctly. He sharpens pencils by hand. Um.

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Speaker 1: He goes on tour teaching this. He has a book

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Speaker 1: but he's really serious about well yeah, I mean he'll

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Speaker 1: on it. I'm glad you met him. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that he's awesome. So let's hear the story. I I, um,

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729
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Speaker 1: And I turned to walk away and he goes, you too,

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Speaker 1: at Really yeah he was. He was pretty cool, dude. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was funny. He he had his video on Reddit

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Speaker 1: that this is a joker or not it but it's both.

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Speaker 1: It's like funny, but he's really really serious about pencils.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just one of those things you just

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Speaker 1: no need to explain it. Man, take it however you want, agreed.

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Speaker 1: His class was one of the most popular ones there though.

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Speaker 1: by David's book how to Sharpened Pencils, it's excellent. He

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Speaker 1: and um. It premieres August nine at eleven pm on

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Speaker 1: And of course John Hodgman follow John at Hodgeman, listen

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Speaker 1: did a fun uh pub trivia together and uh, it's

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Speaker 1: just a great time, you know, Hodgi Oh yeah, good,

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Speaker 1: a good time, Chuck. It was fun and it was

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Speaker 1: So support all these people, support Jesse Thorne and his empire.

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