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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we could use a little

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Speaker 1: distraction on this wild card weekend. I'm Greg Rosenthal in

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Speaker 1: the garage talking to Patrick Claibon, my friend in his

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Speaker 1: backyard with a great little view there of his kid's house.

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Speaker 1: And yes, you might have noticed we did not have

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Speaker 1: our previous show at the regularly scheduled time. We ended

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Speaker 1: up not going in on Wednesday to the studios because

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Speaker 1: of the wildfires going on here in southern California. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: as I was getting ready for this show late last night, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: I thought about the word distraction. It's always a negative

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Speaker 1: thing when you're talking about football teams and players and coaches.

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Speaker 1: Are they distracted? And I was thinking, as I was

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Speaker 1: writing these notes on like Cooper Degene versus jayden Ried,

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Speaker 1: this is a good distraction because, like a lot of

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Speaker 1: people here, we've just been focused on everything going on.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's been a difficult week here in southern California.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just because the word makes you think of, you know,

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Speaker 2: outside things that are taking you away from what you

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Speaker 2: should be focused on. But in this instance, right with

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Speaker 2: the with the literal danger, especially with you guys in

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Speaker 2: your proximity to the Palisades fire. It's like everything else

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Speaker 2: felt like a distraction from it, right, it was impossible

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Speaker 2: to look away from and get away from. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're fortunate to be down here now now miles away

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Speaker 2: on the other side of town. And the most we

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Speaker 2: got with some ash falling on our cars, and you know,

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Speaker 2: just the continued constant rage that's always boiling in my

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Speaker 2: seeing what everybody's dealing with. It's it's been a lot,

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Speaker 2: and it's been it's been a you know, the focus

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate everyone who has reached out and some

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Speaker 1: listeners is what we're asking about it too. You know,

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Speaker 1: we evacuated on Tuesday night, late night, made the call.

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Speaker 1: We are back in the house. Now, we're in what's

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Speaker 1: called the evacuation warning zone. Now it's I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: it's funny, but when they announced an expanded one. We

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Speaker 1: again if we need to. But it was good to

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Speaker 1: just get back home and it's all small whatever we're

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Speaker 1: going through what so many people including you know, really

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Speaker 1: a close friend of mine who who lost his home,

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Speaker 1: and just so many people who are going through things,

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Speaker 1: and obviously the schools are closed, and our hearts just

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Speaker 1: go out to everyone and hopefully we'll all get through

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Speaker 1: this together. I don't want this to be like an

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Speaker 1: overly heavy show because this is a distract. I do

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Speaker 1: want to talk about football, but I did want to

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Speaker 1: say before we do get going with the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are heartbroken by the devastation and destruction from the wildfires,

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Speaker 1: and families affected by these fires do need support. You

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Speaker 1: can help the American Red Cross respond to and help

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Speaker 1: people recover from the disasters. You can donate today to

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Speaker 1: support to relief efforts by going to Redcross dot org

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Speaker 1: slash NFL. And Yeah, I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: worthwhile places that you could be looking at to like

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Speaker 1: World Central Kitschien does amazing work. I've done work with

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Speaker 1: Meals on Wheels West and Meals on Wheels in general

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Speaker 1: is a great organization, but Meals on Wheels West, which

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Speaker 1: is in Santa Monica, I work with. I worked with

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Speaker 1: them back in the day, and it really made me

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Speaker 1: feel more of a connection to this even than I

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Speaker 1: they think, well, that's just all rich people, not that

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Speaker 1: I don't think people are aware of how many people

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Speaker 1: and so your hearts go out. And that's a great

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a because so many people are thinking about

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Speaker 2: but there's a it's it's impossible to look away from. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we we could collectively invest to help people, and a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, And it's just it's just memories and stuff.

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Speaker 1: You have certain memories at different plate places. We spend

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Speaker 1: you live in this area and you drive on pH

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Speaker 1: hell right now, but it is better than the hotel

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Speaker 1: night that we spended driving away. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into these games. We are going to do it.

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Speaker 1: I am excited again for distraction. We've got the college

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Speaker 1: football playoffs. We've been building up all season to these games,

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Speaker 1: and today, structure wise, we got six games to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I actually taped an interview earlier in the week as

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Speaker 1: this was all just picking up with Seth Paine, one

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Speaker 1: him talking about Texans Chargers. So we're going to start

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Speaker 1: with the NFC, and let's get going with the Sunday

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Speaker 1: night game or the Sunday afternoon game, Patrick, which is

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Speaker 1: the game the NFL decides, essentially is the number one

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Speaker 1: game of the weekend. And I'm not surprised that they

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Speaker 1: chose Packers Eagles. Eagles are favored by four and a half.

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Speaker 1: that could make the super Bowl, and Rams fans might

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Speaker 1: listen to this and say, what about our game? But

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Speaker 1: I'm I said what I said, This is the one

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Speaker 1: these teams making the super Bowl. Even though your Packers,

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Speaker 1: and I say your Packers because you had them there

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Speaker 1: at the start of the season, haven't been playing their best.

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Speaker 1: I do think, Patrick, that they still have the ingredients

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Speaker 1: better than they have in recent weeks.

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Speaker 2: Well, what they have is a solid right, not great,

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Speaker 2: not like it's not going to shock you with their

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Speaker 2: good veteran leader in Xavier mcinn and an offense that

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Speaker 2: we've seen that can be streaky, can score points, especially

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Speaker 2: a lot of people view this, this unit, right, this

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Speaker 2: Packers unit, especially those who play fantasy football, as oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know they're there, they're the some of their parts

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Speaker 2: and and losing one person doesn't necessarily well when when

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Speaker 2: the sum is what gets you to to what they

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Speaker 2: can do. When you when you're able to have Christian Watson,

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Speaker 2: the Eagles, Jaden Reid, then you can mix in Dontavian

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Speaker 2: Wicks as well as Malie Keith like in these in

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Speaker 2: these reserved spot roles. Yeah, the whole thing gets better.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing gets worse when you lose one part

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Speaker 2: they're banged up, but it's it's still it's still a

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Speaker 2: they Eagles? I don't. I don't feel like they're a

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Speaker 2: go back two Week one, they're right there, and these

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Speaker 1: Corect Yeah, that Week one game, since you bring it up,

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Speaker 1: it was an interesting one to think about. Jaden Reid

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Speaker 1: Dejen probably out there. You think about how the Packers

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Speaker 1: a big loss because no one else can do what

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Speaker 1: he does and he is the man coverage beater. His

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Speaker 1: amazing plays. He handled the blitzwell, he had like big

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Speaker 1: way the Eagles have changed on both sides certainly favors

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Speaker 2: They have the run game, right there's I feel like

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Speaker 2: the name is starting to pop up more. But it's

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Speaker 2: not like they're trying to hide Jalen Hurts. You have

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Speaker 2: the past game. Like all the controversy comes out, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have Love and Matt Lafleur, who

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Speaker 1: But I do like the get the Eagles in this game.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was saying before. I would go Packers

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Speaker 1: Tanner McKee's worth three points over Kidney Thicket.

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Speaker 1: Although to be fair, I think he I am talking

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Speaker 1: That's the Monday night game. The Vikings are favored by

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Speaker 1: I I don't know who I'm gonna pick. I'm struggling

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the difficulty comes right after Week eighteen,

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Speaker 1: It's my Week eighteen Panthers Saints start that. Actually, it's

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Speaker 2: Well, a secondary that's not going to turn you over

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Speaker 2: and so the Rams are going to get you know,

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Speaker 2: Josh Cardy is really hot right now, Greg, So I

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Speaker 2: I remember back where this was one of those Brian

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Speaker 1: You're talking about. It represents my struggles, Like, as you're

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Speaker 1: Just there's no way for them to use that as

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Speaker 1: can't quantify is that this is a championship group and

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Speaker 1: the Vikings are coming off of a bad game, and

434
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Speaker 1: they won a lot of tough games this year, but

435
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Speaker 1: there is a championship core here that remains that you

436
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Speaker 1: can't look past that. You can imagine them playing their

437
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Speaker 1: best in this game, and if they play their best

438
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Speaker 1: in this game, the Vikings will have to as well.

439
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Speaker 1: Like the Vikings best I think is a little better

440
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: than the Rams best. And these two teams have been

441
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Speaker 1: pretty steady actually over the course of the season. But

442
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Speaker 1: you know, does ultimately in a big game do I

443
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Speaker 1: do I trust Stafford or Darnold Moore? Of course I

444
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Speaker 1: trust Stafford a little more. It's it's an unfair comparison.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's exceedingly unfair that the right, the age quotient,

446
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: and the injury quotent a Stafford kind of up and

447
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: down during some spots. But I remember before it was

448
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: right there because we did the the game Center kickoff

449
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Speaker 2: for that Rams Vikings game, and it was a simple

450
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Speaker 2: conversation because the Rams were not at this point in

451
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Speaker 2: their season and how we viewed them, it was kind

452
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Speaker 2: of feeling like it was going to be a lost

453
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 2: cause for the for the remainder of the season. But

454
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Speaker 2: the question was like, if they can protect Matthew Stafford,

455
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Speaker 2: And the immediate thing out of Cynthia's mouth was, Oh,

456
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 2: they will just play well, They'll win the game if

457
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Speaker 2: they can protect Matthew Stafford and he was only pressured

458
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: on less than twelve percent of his dropbacks in that game.

459
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Speaker 2: If they can have that duplicate performance and this great

460
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Speaker 2: defensive line can get after cent Now, I know in

461
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Speaker 2: the secondary, they're not going to be able to do

462
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Speaker 2: what the Lions did. It'll be tough to for the

463
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Speaker 2: Lions to duplicate what they did in Week eighteen, but

464
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: they have that Rams puncher's chance that I like to

465
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Speaker 2: talk about so much with with Stafford and Puka and

466
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Speaker 2: Cooper Coup back there.

467
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the four man rush matchup is the first

468
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Speaker 1: thing I always look at, and they were one of

469
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Speaker 1: the teams, the team in the league that had the

470
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Speaker 1: most pass rushers with you know, a lot of pressures

471
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Speaker 1: because Byron Young had a really nice season. Verse ended

472
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Speaker 1: up with the second mouse amount of rookie pressures in

473
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Speaker 1: a long long time. And then you obviously have Fisk

474
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Speaker 1: there as well. Like it's a good group. Kobe Turner

475
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Speaker 1: has been playing better and can they get some pressure

476
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Speaker 1: for me rush and then we just see excellence in

477
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Speaker 1: terms of wide receiver play. Two of the very best,

478
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Speaker 1: Puka coming off a season that's been a little slept

479
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Speaker 1: on because he missed so many games. Yeah, in terms

480
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Speaker 1: of yards per route run Patrick this season by Puka,

481
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Speaker 1: Nakua Trail's only Steve Smith. Shout out to Steve Smith

482
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Speaker 1: winning the Triple Crown year on a team it was

483
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Speaker 1: crown here that that they didn't throw the ball that

484
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Speaker 1: much relatively, you know, for a guy that just won

485
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Speaker 1: the Triple Crown and behind Tyreek Hill's biggest season with

486
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, and that's it. That's all

487
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Speaker 1: Puka's behind and all time in terms of yards per

488
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Speaker 1: route run. Like these two guys, Puka and Justin Jefferson,

489
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Speaker 1: I believe are the top of the all time lister.

490
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Speaker 1: Maybe Jefferson's like a like one slot lower, but whatever

491
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Speaker 1: it is, like, they're there, they're they're they are as

492
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Speaker 1: good as it as it gets, so that'll be a

493
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Speaker 1: lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is now, but I remember

495
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago the Puka on all stats were

496
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Speaker 2: like three points better in yards per carry for the

497
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Speaker 2: team when Cool was on and off the field. And again,

498
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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is at the end of

499
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Speaker 2: the regular season, but it's they're just a better team

500
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Speaker 2: with seventeen.

501
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Speaker 1: Like part of it is because he's a good he's

502
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: a good blocker, but it's it's more about the attention.

503
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Speaker 1: And yes, this Rams team is built to run. I

504
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Speaker 1: think that's a big thing to watch in this game.

505
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: Both teams do want to run the ball. The Rams

506
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Speaker 1: stick with it more, they're a little more consistent with it,

507
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: very efficient. A lot of four and five yard gains

508
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: from Kyron Williams over the course of the season. And

509
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: two teams that are pretty bad and special teams. So

510
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: that's just something old watch. Not so much the kickers

511
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: right right now. The good call because Riiker early in

512
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: the season was on fire. Now he's slumping and flipped it.

513
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Speaker 1: But if you look at the special team in terms

514
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Speaker 1: of the coverage units, both teams are bad.

515
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Speaker 2: And also important to remember the cam Akers revenge game.

516
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Speaker 1: Great, Oh, that is a good one.

517
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Speaker 2: This is the cam Akers revenge.

518
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Speaker 1: He legitimately wasn't thrilled with how Sean McVay treated him.

519
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Speaker 1: Let's wrap up our NFC talk with Bucks commanders and

520
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Speaker 1: the Bucks are favored by three in this game. This

521
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: is the Sunday night game. Nice spot for Jayden Daniels,

522
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: and I think it makes sense. The Washington is a

523
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: sneaky national team. Now, I just I just based on

524
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Speaker 1: how electric he has been this season, based on a

525
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: dormant fan base that is large. People want to watch Jayden.

526
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: And I'm glad the Bucks get the shine too, because

527
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: they're one of the most fun offenses in the league.

528
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: A very even matchup if you look at any number

529
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: like these are similarly really good offenses. Similarly not as

530
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: good defenses overall DVOA. They're tenth and eleventh on the season.

531
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Speaker 1: They have some vulnerabilities which you would think it's gonna

532
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Speaker 1: be a bit of an offensive game, and ultimately I

533
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: think it's a game where there might not be a

534
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: ton of like pass rush pressure, and that usually leads

535
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Speaker 1: to a lot of Chris Collinsworth really enjoying the quarterback play.

536
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Speaker 1: So I'm with it. I'm looking forward to this one.

537
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, to top five offenses piloted by you know, guys

538
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Speaker 2: that went high in the draft, guys that you know

539
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: had a lot of postseason awards in college football. And

540
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield actually and the Bucks have the number four

541
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Speaker 2: offens it's Jane Daniels with a number five offense. Now,

542
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: if you change some things about that. It was Jayan

543
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: Daniels's very first career NFL game that actually came against

544
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Speaker 2: the Buccaneers. Jamel Dean was matched up against Terry McLaren

545
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: and he had two receptions for seventeen yards. So like,

546
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: if we're thinking about the evolution of the Commander's offense,

547
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Speaker 2: I don't think Jamel Dean's going to run off a

548
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: whole lot of attempts for Terry McLaren in this stage

549
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Speaker 2: of jayde Daniels' rookie season. So yeah, it's tough to

550
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Speaker 2: forecast anything other than a shootout between two teams that

551
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: average north to twenty eight points per game.

552
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Daniel's worst game. The only other contender

553
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: would be his last game, which was against the Cowboys

554
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: that I tend to not put too much stock into.

555
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: But they also had seventeen dropbacks that gained twenty yards

556
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: in that game, so it's not nothing. And it was

557
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: typical of the only thing Daniels didn't do well this year,

558
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: which was take a ton of sacks. He was fourth

559
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: worst in the NFL in pressure to sack ratio. Baker

560
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: actually is one of the three people ahead of him,

561
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Speaker 1: So these are two guys that were protected well, Baker

562
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: much better even, but when they were pressured, they took

563
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot of sacks. Now, Jayden Daniels's numbers though against pressure,

564
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: ultimately we're still really good because he's so good scrambling

565
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of the times he doesn't take those sacks.

566
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Speaker 1: He has such a unique profile because he takes those

567
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: sacks and you think negative plays. But he was second

568
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL in the fewest turnover worthy play

569
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: percentage in terms of PFF. So I know it's like

570
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: an easy comparison to make, but there really are a

571
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Speaker 1: lot of similarities to Robert Griffin's rookie year, which gets

572
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: slept on as such an incredible rookie year, was my

573
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: choice for Rookie of the Year over Andrew Lucky did

574
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Speaker 1: win the award, and they're similar in that Griffin wasn't

575
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: making any mistakes. Griffin was an extremely efficient scrambler. There

576
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: was way there was more design runs for Griffin, But

577
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: more than anything, the accuracy is what really reminds me

578
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: of each other. They're just so pinpoint accurate. The difference,

579
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Speaker 1: I would say is Jane Daniels does, I think show

580
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: already more of the traits of getting to the opposite

581
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: side of the field and his reads and just being

582
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: totally composed in difficult situations that maybe Griffin never was

583
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: even was even in those positions as a rookie. But

584
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Speaker 1: that's neither here nor there. He's just a very uniquely

585
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: excellent player. And that's true of Baker too, who takes

586
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: some negative plays, but he's coming off Unlike Daniels, I

587
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: think Baker might be coming off his best game of

588
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: the season, so a little different in terms of vibes

589
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Speaker 1: coming in if we put anything into Week.

590
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Speaker 2: Eighteen, Yeah it was Baker again. Todd Bowles had a

591
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 2: great laugh for earlier the season when somebody tried to

592
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: compare Baker's running style, especially after the big third quarter runs.

593
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: I believe in Week seven, like, hey, you know, Josh

594
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: Allen and Jade Daniels and Lamar Jackson and Todd Bowles,

595
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: who's had some fun at the podium this year, got

596
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: the hickels like he couldn't stop laughing in the comparison,

597
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: and Baker, you know, you know, said he was a

598
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: serviceable runner, but it was sixty plus yards that they

599
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: needed on the ground against the Saints and that comeback

600
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: win which was his first ever comeback from down ten

601
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter for Baker Mayfield. And yet both

602
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: guys good with their feet in different capacities. Because you

603
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: mentioned it was Jaden's worst game, he still had two

604
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns in eighty eight yards in that open of

605
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: the problem was the commander's defense in dan Quinn's unit,

606
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: they just weren't there. They hadn't figured out the way

607
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: that they wanted to approach things. And they've gone through

608
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: multiple iterations since and they've gotten Marshaun Lattimore, who has

609
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: been at practice this week, and so you know, it's

610
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: been a talking point. But if Marsham was on the

611
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: field for the Saints, Mike Evans would not have gotten it,

612
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: would not have gotten those one thousand yards because there's

613
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: no way Marsham was not jamming him with the lot

614
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: of scrimmage on that last play in the game.

615
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a coaching breakdown that apparently Darren Rizzy

616
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: was very upset. It's the reason why I favor the

617
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: Bucks is that Washington defense, which got better during the year.

618
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: They got good enough to be okay. And there's not

619
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: a huge difference statistically between the Bucks and Washington, although

620
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: in Dvoa, Bucks are right around average. In the Washington's

621
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: closer to twenty first twenty second, which feels about right

622
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: to me. But I just can't. I think the biggest

623
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: mismatch of this game is those guys who have big

624
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: salaries and some production this year. Dante Fowler, Jonathan Allen Payne,

625
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: Jerry Newton, the rookie. Can they get any pressure on

626
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Baker in this great offensive line? Can they stop the

627
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: run with Bucky Irving. It's the group I think could

628
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: be most vulnerable. Maybe Frankie Luvium pops some big plays,

629
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, da Mario Davis was all over the screen

630
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: game the Bucks had last week, Maybe LUVU can do that,

631
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: but ultimately I don't really trust their defense. I don't

632
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: trust the Bucks defense a ton, but they do have

633
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield back for the game. They are relatively healthy,

634
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: they're a little bit better stopping the run. You got

635
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: Vita Vea playing well. These are two unpredictable teams, though Patrick.

636
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: I looked in variants according to FTN Fantasy and Aaron Shots,

637
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: and this matches my eye test variants being like one

638
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: week to the next not consistent. They are two of

639
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: the seven least consistent teams of the year, and the

640
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: Bucks really strike me as that because to me, the

641
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: Bucks are a legit Super Bowl contender when they're at

642
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: their best, but they're just you just not. But they

643
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: also have those games where they're very lucky to beat

644
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: bad teams or they just they have stinkers. And Washington's

645
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: a little bit like that too. They're a little up

646
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: and down. So I don't know, anything could happen, but

647
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Speaker 1: I definitely favor the Bucks a little bit here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard not to see what this Chargers team

649
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: has done late this season and then think back to

650
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: the Bucks. Absolutely evaporating them in so Far Stadium a

651
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: few weeks ago as a sign right of the type

652
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: of variance that they offer. But I know that Jayden

653
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 2: Nagiels was under pressure against the Dallas Cowboys. Michael Parsons

654
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: doesn't play for the Buccaneers or really anybody else. I

655
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 2: think that provided a unique that sultage where the Bucks

656
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: got to rely on Ellijah Cansey. Videvea did get a

657
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: sack in Week eighteen, but it's it's a little bit

658
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: of a different offense than a different different monster when

659
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: it's Spencer Rattler versus Jayden Daniels right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to your point, they were very lucky they

661
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Speaker 1: beat the Saints. They were losing by ten to Spencer

662
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: Ratler in the Saints and if Ratler hadn't missed, there

663
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: was like two third down throws in the second half

664
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Speaker 1: that it wasn't so much good defense, it was just

665
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: they didn't hit it. It's like we could be talking

666
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: about the Falcons in this game, which is crazy. It's

667
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's last chance potentially before he maybe has a

668
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Speaker 1: head coaching job if he wants it. There's some take

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Speaker 1: he might not even want him he's just loving life

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00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: with I don't blame him, but I think it's a matchup.

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Speaker 1: He could look good. I liked what I saw to

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Speaker 1: him late in the season. I also liked what I

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Speaker 1: saw of Marcus Mariota. I mentioned some insane stats that

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Speaker 1: he has over this course of the season in our

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Speaker 1: QB Island Show. And when you think Mariota, you also

676
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Speaker 1: think Titans And a little bit awkward to transition here, Patrick,

677
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Speaker 1: But before we go to break, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you saw the huge breaking news today about the Titans

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Speaker 1: radio booth.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Mike Keith has accepted a job with the University of

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Speaker 1: Tennessee to be the next voice of the Tennessee Volunteers.

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Speaker 1: And I presume he's done with with the Titans, that

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Speaker 1: he he is moving on to Tennessee. Wait do I

685
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Speaker 1: even know that for sure? Do I just could he

686
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Speaker 1: do both? Could he possibly do both?

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a there's a Saturday Sunday situation. I

688
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: would I would hope, especially on the heels. You know,

689
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: they just fired their GM uh. You know, folks are

690
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: looking back to the John Robinson trade of AJ Brown.

691
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Speaker 2: Mike Mike Keith is the Tennessee Titans. There's to me, right,

692
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: there's very little because we have the Titans for some

693
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: reason playing in those those oilers uniforms. I think it

694
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 2: kind of flies in the face of the actual Titans tradition,

695
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: which includes right Steve McNair, which includes Frank Wycheck and

696
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: Kevin Dyson, and all the plays and all the memories,

697
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: Derreck Henry, everything that's happened in Nashville comes with that

698
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: signature touchdown Titans that I don't want to believe this,

699
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Speaker 2: and I would hope that that all parties involved come

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Speaker 2: to the right conclusion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about how badly they mismanaged the

703
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Speaker 1: general manager and coaching situation, and there's more to that

704
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: we'll get to on a future show. But how do

705
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Speaker 1: you lose Mike Keith? It is confirmed. Keith said in

706
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Speaker 1: a statement that it's very hard to say goodbye to

707
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Speaker 1: the Titans, but it's hard not to say a yes

708
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Speaker 1: to a return to the University of Tennessee. He was

709
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: once an announcer for them before they fumbled the bag.

710
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Speaker 1: So bad job, but at least let's go to a

711
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: break remembering a great moment in Tennessee. Titans and Mike

712
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: Keith History. Let's go back to wild card weekend, stay

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Speaker 1: on topic. After the two thousand and seventeen season. The

714
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Speaker 1: Titans are trailing twenty one to three against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: There's no way they're going to come back on Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid and this crew back in a minute.

717
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 4: Mariota takes the snap, looks to his right, looking looking pomping,

718
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Speaker 4: throwing into the end zone.

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Speaker 3: No, he kept it, dove for the zone itself and

720
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Speaker 3: got in. Oh my goodness, I thought.

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Speaker 1: For sure Mariota had thrown it. Want to play it

722
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Speaker 1: was batted back to him.

723
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Speaker 3: He did throw it, he caught it for a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Touchdown. Titans want to play Marcus Mariota, who just.

725
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 3: Threw and caught a touchdown pass.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily talked to NFC wild Card. Let's

727
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Speaker 1: go to the AFC where it feels like there's more mismatches.

728
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Speaker 1: Let's just be real and let's start with the biggest

729
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: point spread of the week, Raven Steelers. I can't believe it.

730
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Speaker 1: A Raven Steelers game is down to nine and a half. Actually,

731
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: so some people who are betting on national game might

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Speaker 1: agree with you, Patrick, because earlier in the week it

733
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Speaker 1: was ten and a half. But I see now it's

734
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Speaker 1: nine and a half. This is the prime video game.

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Speaker 1: We have never had a Prime video playoff game. It

736
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Speaker 1: is on Saturday Night. Al Michaels, Kirk, Herbstreet, Kaylee Hartung,

737
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: the potential MVP winner in Lamar Jackson. I think he's

738
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: gonna win. I actually do. I think it's going to

739
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: be extremely close, but I think he's going to win.

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Speaker 1: He is playing against a Steelers team that they just

741
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Speaker 1: faced on a Saturday, what was it three weeks ago

742
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Speaker 1: now before before they had that double dip on Christmas

743
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: in a game that I think was closer than the

744
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: score indicated. Nose flowers. I know, more than anything, those

745
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: Steelers uniforms and the number and how everyone is talking

746
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: about this game has got Patrick Claybund nervous.

747
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's it's not just the Steelers uniforms. It's

748
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: the team, the team that historically has provided problems for

749
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: Baltimore's offense, and a lot of those pieces still there,

750
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 2: most notably uh T J. Watt and and a game

751
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: where they you know, they've they started out great with

752
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: the run game in the matchup against the Steelers on

753
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: that Saturday before both teams would go on to play

754
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: uh the very next week, but there's the injury concern

755
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: for the Steelers was a big problem. Then they lose

756
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: their the one of their top corners, and Joey Porter Jr.

757
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: Takes a Henry knee to the to the shoulder and

758
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: neck area leaves for the rest of the game, they're

759
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: kind of playing a man down the secondary and really

760
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: a whole lot of reeds and r p o s

761
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: by Lamar and Derrick Henry were called perfectly and executed perfectly,

762
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Speaker 2: and it's still wound up being relatively close till the

763
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Speaker 2: till the Ravens were able to pull away late. And

764
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Speaker 2: so now on the other side, Zay Flowers is a

765
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: big part of the passing game because of the things

766
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: that he does that nobody else on the team does right.

767
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Speaker 2: It's it's just different and provides a different look for

768
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Speaker 2: the defense and you're able to get the ball out

769
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Speaker 2: to him quickly on screens where you know Nelson Aguilar

770
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Speaker 2: and Rashad Bateman aren't duplicating that, and it puts puts

771
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Speaker 2: more pressure on Mark Andrews, who had another great game

772
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: against the Steelers. But that the cascading effect does take

773
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: points away, where ten points to me would have been

774
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Speaker 2: absurd if the teams were at full strength, it feels

775
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: even more absurd now at this point. Yeah, it's they

776
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: have to encourage action. Lines of the westper action, and

777
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: they want they want action on the game.

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Speaker 1: So I get that too, But it's also on the

779
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: statistical profile, which for the Ravens offense is outrageous. It's historic,

780
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Speaker 1: and because they have so many l's in their standing

781
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: and look, twelve and five is a great record. They

782
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: had a tough schedule, it's not anything to be embarrassed about.

783
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: But because you know there's a decent amount of them,

784
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: people don't think of them in historic terms. But yeah,

785
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: I've been mentioning dvo A a lot, like they're their

786
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: top three all time. You know, their combination of explosive

787
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: passing plays being extremely regular and both explosive running gains

788
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: and sustaining running games is just a lot to deal with.

789
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Speaker 1: And they're not afraid to go down the field. Neither

790
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: are the Steelers, but they're so efficient at doing it.

791
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: You're right, losing Zay hurts because he opens up I

792
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: think a lot for other people. He's the guy that

793
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: other defenses worry about the most I do. I think

794
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Rashad Bateman looked fantastic in Week eighteen and overall had

795
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: a really strong season. I mean, his final numbers really

796
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: show what a big step forward. He's got a suddenness

797
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: to him. He's a nice downfield threat. They still have

798
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: the tight ends, they still have the running game, so

799
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: they still have Lamar Jackson, not just how great he

800
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: is throwing the ball this year, but really made a

801
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: point to run. This is the one defense though, that

802
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: has consistently stopped him running. That was even true three

803
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and that game, to me, was very reliant

804
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: on those two turnovers the Ravens force. It's funny because

805
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: I think it's the only time Russell Wilson actually played

806
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: well over the last month was against the Ravens. He

807
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: just had those two turnovers, which we're massive play, so

808
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: I guess he didn't play that well. But other than

809
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: those two plays, I thought he played one of his

810
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: best games of the season. So if you're a Steelers fan,

811
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of encouragement to take from that

812
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: because the Ravens defense has really played well and it's

813
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: one of the few times a good a quarterback has

814
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Speaker 1: looked good against them in the last six or seven weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lamar's got these four interceptions this season, a couple

816
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: of them coming against the Picksburgh Steelers. One incredible play

817
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: by the rookie Peyton Wilson on Justice Hill down the sideline,

818
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: and another was to play before that Russ pass that

819
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: was picked off by Marlon Humphrey where Rashaan Bateman kind

820
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: of stops running and Lamar throws one out and the

821
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: flat the Steelers pick it off, and so they like

822
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Speaker 2: there's the there's the give and the take, like there's

823
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: you know, and again all the all the MO believers

824
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: right that the Steeler should have scored after that interception.

825
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 2: Turns out, you know, the Ravens get the turnover because

826
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: cause and effect the things that you do actually or

827
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: what matters. But that's how that's how close even that

828
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Speaker 2: game it was, so again ten points down and a

829
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Speaker 2: half points stall silly to me.

830
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now that said, they've lost four in a row.

831
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Speaker 1: I think the two worst teams in the playoffs are

832
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Speaker 1: the Steelers and the Texans. That's my opinion. How they're

833
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: playing right now. I think they're two average teams and

834
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: for the most part. The playoffs are above average teams.

835
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: Russ is and their offense is playing their worst overall

836
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: at the worst time. I think there's fair questions about

837
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: how Mike Tomlin prepares this team. He goes so hard

838
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: in training camp, he goes so hard in terms of

839
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: their practice schedule, and you look at how they faded

840
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: down the stretch a number of times. I'm always cautious

841
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: to make cause and effect on these sort of things,

842
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: but they just don't. They haven't finished well, and especially

843
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: their pass rush seems tired. TJ. Watt seems tired. That's

844
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: the number one thing I think to watch in this game.

845
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: Their pass rush just needs to be better. It wasn't

846
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: any better than the Ravens pass rush was when they

847
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: played in that game. It wasn't any better than the

848
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: Bengals was last week. That's where their dudes are at.

849
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: And the guards for the Ravens, especially or maybe even

850
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: Rosen Garden, I think they're vulnerable if they get into

851
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: some passing situations. They got to show up, like they

852
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: blitzed a ton against the Ravens last time and it

853
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: didn't work at all. Like that's it to me. If

854
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: we see a real Watt, herbig Hayward high Smith game.

855
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: They got a chance. But if they keep playing the

856
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: way they've played over the last month, it's not just

857
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson in terms of big names that have fallen off.

858
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: They haven't fallen off as much, but they haven't been special.

859
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: And that's to me kind of the number one thing

860
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm watching in this game. If they show up, then

861
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: you might be sweating this thing out.

862
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Now, Well, Greg, I'm gonna be sweating out regardless, but

863
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: I do because you mentioned TJ. Watt. I'm just awaiting

864
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: whenever the season ends. I feel like we're going to

865
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: find out and get some context for whatever Watt was

866
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: dealing with down the stretch this season, because the number

867
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: drop off kind of matches what the eye test shows

868
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: is it's something's not right fair fair.

869
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: Before we move to the next game, do you think

870
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: Justin Fields has a chance to play here? Like, how

871
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: long do you think Russell Wilson's leash is?

872
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: Well, in terms of a leash, I mean.

873
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Being flat out replaced for like at least an entire

874
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: series or two and see how it goes.

875
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: No, it's gonna have to be I think he would

876
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: play himself all the way out of the game, like

877
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: it would have to be t J. Yates against the

878
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: Bengals like this is or I get or maybe it

879
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: was Andy Dalton had had the bad game in that one.

880
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: But it's just gonna have to be a categorical like

881
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: two picks in a fumble, like on a weird pitch.

882
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: I think Tomlin's sticking sticking with Russ for the remainder

883
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: of the season.

884
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: I disagree. I don't feel strongly about it. I just

885
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: think there's a better chance than people think that Russ

886
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: could get pulled sooner than later, and it might not

887
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: even need to be catastrophic because this is it. This

888
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: is the last game he's seen a lot. Yeah, he

889
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: started better than Russ and everyone was apologizing for questioning

890
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: the over the last five weeks. He's now playing at

891
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: a lower level than their offense was with fields and

892
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: it'd be quite a change up. It'd be quite a

893
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: ballsy move. I'd like to see it. So maybe I'm

894
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: just wish casting it'd be interesting, but I don't give

895
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: the Steelers a ton of a chance. Ultimately, this is

896
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: what the Ravens do. They improve late in the season

897
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: while the Steelers are falling apart. They figure out their

898
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: defensive problems. They either add guys on defense or they

899
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: actually just get rid of them, like they did with

900
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: Eddie Jackson. They figure out their problems and apparently just

901
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 1: kick them off the team or he got himself kicked

902
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: off the team. They're playing their best right now and

903
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: the Steelers are facing their worst. So even if you

904
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: end up sweating it out a little bit, I actually

905
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: think the Ravens cover the number here and yeah, let's

906
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: go Ravens. Okay, let's go to the Bills game. So

907
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned I thought the two worst teams in the

908
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: playoffs were probably the Texans and the Steelers. I think

909
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: the Bill's got a tough draw relatively in that the

910
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: first thing I look for in these games are like,

911
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: who's winning the battle of the line of scrimmage and

912
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: coaching and obviously quarterbacks quarterbacks. It's as obviously it's big

913
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: a mismatch as you could have now coaching, I would

914
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: never doubt Sean Payton in a one game situation, not

915
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: saying he has some huge advantage over at mcdurrant, but

916
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: he's awesome and the line play that's where I'm really

917
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: getting to that, it's a difficult matchup. You got to

918
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: favor the Broncos. The biggest mismatch in this game other

919
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: than the quarterbacks is the pass protection that the Broncos

920
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: should have for Bonicks against a pretty mediocre pass rush

921
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: to bad for the Broncos. And then on the other side,

922
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: it's strength on strength. It's one of, if not the

923
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: best pass rushers in the entire NFL against one of

924
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: the best offensive line. You'd have to give the Broncos

925
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: like a slight edge there. That's closer it's strength on strength,

926
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: but even a slight edge there. So if you tell

927
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: me you got a great coach and you got two

928
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: great lines, you got a chance. And I kind of

929
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: like the Broncos to to make them sweat it out.

930
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: I do as well, Greg, because another part of that

931
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: is thinking about how Zach Allen is double teamed on

932
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 2: almost thirty five percent of his pass rushes. I believe

933
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: it's above it's north of thirty five percent. And when

934
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: we've seen what the Broncos can do on offenses, but

935
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: particularly in the screen game late where I think you

936
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: can kind of challenge this Bills team in the secondary

937
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: as well as with Courtland Sutton kind of that best

938
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: kind of that one option where the reason I was

939
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: able to successfully pick that Rams game over the Buffalo

940
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Bills was the mismatch that Puka Nakua provides. Now, I'm

941
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: not saying that Courtland Sutton is in that Puka kind

942
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: of range as a problem giver to the Buffalo Bills,

943
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: but I think in terms of the matchup, he's got

944
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: an advantageous look where if the Bills are going to

945
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: win this game, they're it's gonna have to be Josh

946
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: in the offense going up and down the field because

947
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 2: it's going to be very difficult. I think where if

948
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: you try to corral Bo Nicks. We saw him make

949
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: several plays to Marvin Mims Junior. Over the course, Tony

950
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: Franklin has gotten worked into to the deep game as well,

951
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: and they have those options where you know, the Sean

952
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: Payton screen one of the more effective plays. Now, I

953
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: can't do them them. I did almost cost them a

954
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: game against the Bengals. They were able to get in

955
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: overtime in that game. But they can hit them at

956
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 2: any time and they're very successful at running.

957
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very good at picking out mismatches and the

958
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: Bills are a good defense, but they're spots where you

959
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: can find a linebacker in coverage. Whether it's Matt Mulano

960
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: who has come back from the injury but has generally

961
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: been sitting out on third down, so I think they're

962
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: telling us something about his usage. Maybe they'll change, Maybe

963
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: they'll change that for the playoffs. But whether it's Tim

964
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: or Dorrian Williams in pass coverage or you know, some

965
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: of the safeties, if you try to get McLoughlin matched

966
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: up on Deamar Hamlin or however, it's gonna be in

967
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: terms of just Peyton's so good at that that he

968
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: has problems to every team. And bo Nicks is decisive

969
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: and he executes it, and he is a high variance player,

970
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: really good plays. He'll have some misses and negative plays,

971
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have a chance to possess the ball,

972
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: I think in this game and shorten the game. The

973
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, number one X factor is though, who are

974
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: we talking about here? We're Josh. We're talking about Josh Allen,

975
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: the potential MVP at his absolute apex, and a great

976
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: running game to support him, of which he's a part of.

977
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: That's great, Like the Broncos could play their A game

978
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: and he could just play like great offense beats great defense,

979
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: and he could just beat everything you want to do.

980
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: It's hard to blitz him. He's great against the blitz,

981
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: like they're great running the ball, and that's probably the

982
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: way you want to beat vance Joseph, just to get

983
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: out of those long yarded situations. So they have every

984
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: answer and he could just just like Lamar, I should

985
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: have said with him, if they play their A plus game,

986
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: they're so good they're gonna win, at least unless they're

987
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: playing each other, like they very well could be next week,

988
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: So that that's part of it. Is like their ceiling

989
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: is obviously higher. That's why the number is so big.

990
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: But I think if you just take out kind of

991
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, then these two teams look a lot more even.

992
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is an exceedingly difficult thing to be right,

993
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: but between like Nick Benito has had a great year,

994
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: a great year shown that explosiveness that you have to

995
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: have on the edge right to deal with with Lamar

996
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: and Josh Allen to where you know it's not necessarily

997
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: corralling them, but just having the ability to bother them

998
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: when they're back there doing that thing where either one

999
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: of them and Josh Allen this instance kind of floats

1000
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: towards the right sideline where the play is never over.

1001
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: He's completed multiple passes this season where he's actually been

1002
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: in the air out of bounds right and so's it's

1003
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: that borderline where you're having to deal with this quarterback

1004
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 2: out on the edge, having to not hit him late,

1005
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: but also trying to keep him from fireing the ball

1006
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: fifty yards downfield, where I think the Broncos secondary, in

1007
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: terms of the matchups, does have the advantage against the

1008
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: Bills receivers, not necessarily like Kincaid and Knocks, but the

1009
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: Bill's receivers. We don't still waiting on Amari Cooper's personal issue.

1010
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: He was able to go home from the team, and

1011
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott says, you know, it's full leeway. We just

1012
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: hope Amari's back and hope he's okay. But the matchup,

1013
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: whether he plays or not, I think favors the Broncos

1014
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: secondary purely discussing the pass catchers.

1015
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: Cooper is an interesting point. I should have mentioned that

1016
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: he has really played as their fourth receiver snap wise,

1017
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: but he kind of like I was talking about with

1018
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: Christian Watson. He provides something just the rest of the

1019
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: team doesn't in terms of his savvy and yeah, Ken

1020
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: Coleman could make a big play, but I'm trusting Amari

1021
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: on the boundary and his versatility. So that is something

1022
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: to watch. Riley Moss came back from his injury and

1023
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: hasn't played as well, so you know he's someone to

1024
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. And yet it's kind of like

1025
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: that Steelers game in terms of the underdog. It's about

1026
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: that pass rush for me there, it's not just Benito,

1027
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: who's a defensive Player of the Year candidate, should should

1028
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: be on ballots. I think he really has been that

1029
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: good certain who will be on ballots might win the award.

1030
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: And it's Cooper, it's Franklin Myers. Like they have a

1031
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys and if they can just harass Josh

1032
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: repeatedly over and over and win that battle against a

1033
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: good Bills offensive line, they got a chance. All right,

1034
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: let's go to the Chargers game. It's actually in the

1035
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: west of his window, but it's a fun one. I

1036
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: I love the quarterback matchup seen Stroud in his second

1037
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: time in the playoffs, seeing Herbert kind of in full flow.

1038
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this at length, like I mentioned

1039
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: in this Seth Pain interview that we're gonna throw to

1040
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: after the break and wrap the show up. But you know,

1041
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: I always want to hear what Patrick has to say,

1042
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: like how good of a chance do you see? It's

1043
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: it's a road favorite here, Chargers by three, and we

1044
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: get Charles Davis and Iron Eagle. What a great playoff

1045
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, lineup of announcers. I love me some Charles

1046
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: in Iron in the playoffs.

1047
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a great crew. You know your game will

1048
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: be able to see on CBS or or or stream

1049
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: on on Paramount plus. Where you've got you've got two

1050
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: teams that that have beaten one playoff team. Now, the

1051
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 2: advantage for the Chargers they were able to beat the

1052
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: Broncos twice, so they get two wins against playoff teams,

1053
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: and and the Texans have that win over the Bills

1054
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: and so and that was in terms of how the

1055
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: season goes, it feels like it was a very very

1056
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: long time ago. But they they've still got that talent

1057
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: where they're able to complete I think Nico Collins uh

1058
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: is in that discussion of range, you know, top top

1059
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: five receivers. Uh in the NFL, where when c J.

1060
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: Stroud is targeting Nico Collins, it's like all those all

1061
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 2: those problems of the season, uh just aren't really there.

1062
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Third and in yards per run over the last

1063
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: couple of seasons, who's that. It's Pooka Dustin Devers in

1064
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: a Nico So like that's the company he's keeping.

1065
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: And so like when he's looking at twelve, all things

1066
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: are great. It's when he's not targeting Nico Collins the

1067
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: issues kind of rise up. And we got two really

1068
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 2: good rookie defenders in tarp tar heeb Still and Bullock

1069
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: Over On the other side for the Texans where it's

1070
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: a great matchup, I give Houston I think a better

1071
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: chance than most in this game, especially with the being

1072
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Speaker 2: at NRG.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the big home field advantage. We talk about that

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00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: with Seth. My main thing is that the running game

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00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: behind Herbert's gotten better, and that more than anything, we

1076
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: are back to agro Herbert. The yards, the air yards

1077
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 1: have gone way up, like the yards perttempt have gone

1078
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: way up, and just the eye test the last couple

1079
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: of weeks, he hit an opposite hash throw last week

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00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: against the Raiders where he was standing on his own

1081
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: three yard line and he completed it to like the

1082
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: other sideline at the fifty and it was like nothing.

1083
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: And he is just going for those types of throws

1084
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: in a way that I didn't see the confidence from

1085
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: him or maybe it was in his receivers or the

1086
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: system early. So he is playing his best, whereas CJ

1087
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: is to me up and down and they can control

1088
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: the ball. Interestingly, the Chargers are really good playing ball,

1089
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: control offense by passing the ball, and ultimately I think

1090
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: their offense is just too good. But yes, I'm going

1091
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,479
Speaker 1: to talk about that with Seth at length. Everyone stay

1092
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: for that. It's a great conversation. We're actually gonna wrap

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00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: the show with Seth while we're talking Chargers. Breaking news

1094
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: literally as this as we're speaking, the Raiders have fired

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00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: Tom te LESCo, who lasted one year there in Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas after being with the Chargers. Earlier this week we

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00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: spoke at length. It was a good conversation about the

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce firing, and we said, yeah, Telesco's there for now.

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00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: We'll we'll see what this means in terms of who

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: is coming into the building, the feedback they're getting Maybe

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00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: there's zeroing in on someone that didn't want to LESCo.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they just decided once Mark Davis talked to like

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00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: the other owners like Tom Brady, that there was no

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00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: scenario where it made sense to clep keep t LESCo.

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: So he is out, as well as Antonio Pierce. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to run franchises is

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00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: higher your gms and your coaches at the same time.

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: But like Antonio Peers, it's like, what chance did Tom

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00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: Telesco really get this year? Not that you know, he

1110
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: was amazing and with the Chargers he was fine, but

1111
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: it's like he took over an impossible situation.

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it rings to me if you're gonna, if you're

1113
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: gonna make this decision for both of them after a season,

1114
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: then why'd you put them in this position in the

1115
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: first place, especially Tom Telesco coming from across the division.

1116
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: But hey, somebody, somebody gets a shot. I guess it

1117
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 2: hiring a coach or being brought in with a coach

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00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: and the number six overall pick, So hey, good good luck.

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Speaker 1: I am really intrigued by the Raiders coaching search. They

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00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: have the most interesting list of candidates, but our focus

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00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: is on the playoffs. Yes, we're gonna throw to break

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00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: and we'll listen to Seth pain. Appreciate you, Patrick, stay safe,

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00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: and yes we will be back on Friday with our

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00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: usual pick show with Cynthia from home. It'll be me

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Speaker 1: and Seth on the other side, back on NFL Daily

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00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: with one of my favorite guests. And just speaking out

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00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: of self interest, it occurred to me this week this

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00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: could be the last time the Houston Texans to play

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00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: a game, and that means it's probably the last time

1130
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: I got a chance to get on. Like I said

1131
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guests, Seth payin you your mouth

1132
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: is a gape.

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Speaker 3: Set I'll talk.

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00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 4: You had me because this might be the last opportunity

1135
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 4: because you think so lowly of the Texans. I just

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01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 4: I can't deny that that kind of makes sense. Unfortunately, Yeah, thanks, thanks, though,

1137
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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you just you just never know either we're going

1139
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: to be talking at the very beginning of what's going

1140
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: to be a surprising and magical run deep into the playoffs,

1141
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: or it'll be a chance to kind of close the

1142
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: book look look ahead to this game. But also this

1143
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: is a team that fascinates me it's a franchise that

1144
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: fascinates me. And we talked all the way back in August,

1145
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: I believe, and then we talked when they were on

1146
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night Football around Halloween and just sets, Yeah,

1147
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: that was tough. And coming into this season we think

1148
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: maybe maybe are they going to be the team that

1149
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: challenges the Chiefs. We feel differently, they're into just a

1150
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: strange place kind of where do you just big picture

1151
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: before we get into the game, where like, where do

1152
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: you think they are in year two? Here of Demico

1153
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: Ryans's tenure back to back AFC South Championships, back to

1154
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: back playoff spot after a three year period where they

1155
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: won ten games combined, I do like to present that context.

1156
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget Bill O'Brien was the coach just

1157
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: a few years ago. It was year after it was

1158
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, and then David Kelly love Smith and now

1159
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: Damiko Ryan. So he's done a great job. But yet

1160
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: this feels like a disappointing season heading into the playoffs.

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01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 4: It is because of the way the second half of

1162
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 4: the season has gone, for sure, but then the entire season,

1163
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 4: the offense has been a disappointment, especially I mean when

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01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 4: we talked to you in August, it was, you know, hey,

1165
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 4: you got step On Diggs, Nico Collins, Tank, Dell Man.

1166
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 3: It's gonna be an aerial assault.

1167
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 4: And even though those three guys were never on the

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01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 4: field together that much, when they were, it wasn't overly

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 4: impressive from the passing side of things.

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Speaker 3: And then even when they would.

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 4: Have it various times, Okay, you've got Nico and Tank

1172
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 4: out there. You've got On and Tank, they could just

1173
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 4: never get the pass game going.

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01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 3: And you know, CJ.

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01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 4: Stroud obviously has not had the same performance this year

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01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 4: that he did last year. He didn't build on the

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01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 4: promise of his rookie year. So that's been the really

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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 4: frustrating thing. And you know, the defense, the defense played

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Speaker 4: very well. There's been a few things that have kept

1180
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 4: them from being a genuinely elite defense. But you've got

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Speaker 4: a defensive minded head coach. The defense is doing great.

1182
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 4: You know, Frankly, in a lot of ways, it feels

1183
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 4: like Lovey Smith back with the Bears when the defense

1184
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 4: was awesome, and man, they managed to make it to

1185
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl feasting on turnovers and whatnot, but they

1186
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 4: didn't have a guy that had the promise of c. J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud. That's been the really frustrating part of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the numbers say tell the story. In terms of DVOA,

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: they're sixteenth, which feels about right in terms of do

1190
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: they just feel like about an average team overall? But

1191
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: the third in defense not a dominating defense. It's not

1192
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: a year with great defense, but third and defense twenty

1193
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: sixth in offense very surprising. I actually want to start.

1194
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: Let's start with the positive, because there is a route

1195
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: to winning this game, and it's on the defensive side

1196
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: of the ball. You have the edge rushers, which are

1197
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: as good as any team in the league. You're going

1198
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: up against a Chargers team who have good tackles, but

1199
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: Rashwan Slater's coming off of an injury. They might be

1200
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: rotating their guards because they haven't quite chosen one. That's

1201
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: not a great sign and not a team that has

1202
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: a ton of playmakers. I guess tell me how you

1203
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: feel this defense looks right now in how they match up.

1204
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 4: The biggest issue with the defense right now is that

1205
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 4: their slot corner started off being Jalen Petrie and Jimmy

1206
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 4: Ward was playing safety. Jalen Petrie got injured, so now

1207
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 4: Jimmy Ward goes down to play the slot corner, which

1208
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 4: in this defense they use really effectively, at least with

1209
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 4: the previous two guys, but now they're kind of stuck

1210
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 4: with a belieguered secondary and Miles Bryant will play the

1211
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 4: slot corner at times, Kamari Lassiter will but it's the

1212
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 4: strength of that defense. It's a frustrating thing. The money positions,

1213
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 4: the defensive ends and the cornerbacks. They are in great shape.

1214
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 4: They got Daniel Hunter or Daniel Danielle Hunter.

1215
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Speaker 3: And Will Anderson up front.

1216
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 4: You've got Kamari Lasser and Derek Stingley at cornerback. But

1217
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 4: because of the disheveled secondary, Kamaria Laster has to move

1218
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 4: around a little bit.

1219
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 3: You don't feel like it maybe.

1220
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 4: Necessarily can shadow with Derek Stingley as as well as

1221
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 4: you could in the past, but they look The biggest

1222
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 4: thing the defense can do, aside from playing really good coverage,

1223
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 4: is they take the ball away. And they're still top

1224
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 4: five in the league in takeaways. But that's you know,

1225
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 4: as you know, it's really hard to make a playoff

1226
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 4: run feasting on turnovers, and you go back to if

1227
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 4: you're not an all time defense, but you can take the.

1228
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: Ball away a lot.

1229
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: The Bears twice with Dick Charon and Lovey Smith like

1230
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 4: a long time ago, had really nice runs in the

1231
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 4: playoffs in that it's just you, you can't bank on it.

1232
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 4: And then they they allow too many explosive plays.

1233
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 3: They've they've allowed.

1234
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 4: In the top three in passing touchdowns all year. So

1235
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 4: they've just got little glitches that keep them from being

1236
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 4: really really good. And when I watch when I watched

1237
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert, I feel like, man, I've spent the last

1238
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 4: two days almost like becoming like a Chargers fan. That

1239
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: feels like Justin Herbert's not getting enough respect because because

1240
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 4: I want you look at his numbers and you're like, okay, yeah,

1241
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 4: they're not actually all that much different from some of

1242
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 4: his previous years in his career. But I think he's

1243
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 4: doing exactly what Jim Harbaugh's asking him to do, which

1244
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 4: is Jim Harbaugh style, run, run the hell out of

1245
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 4: the ball, take your opportunities where they're there. But he's

1246
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 4: not turning the ball over at all. He's turning the

1247
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 4: ball over three times. It's the second fewest turnovers of

1248
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 4: somebody that's passed more than five hundred past attempts in

1249
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 4: a season.

1250
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Speaker 3: Wow. And I think that he's I think he's.

1251
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 4: Playing like he isn't a game manager, but he's managing

1252
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 4: the games really well and he's still making some pretty

1253
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 4: spectacular throws. So I'm I'm nervous about the fact that

1254
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 4: the Texans have had these lapses where they allow these

1255
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 4: explosive plays, and Justin Herbert is just the guy to

1256
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 4: do that right.

1257
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: And he's always been a game manager. That's what's bothered

1258
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: me about him. If anything, I love I love Herbert

1259
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: since since the day he came in the league. I

1260
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: thought this is going to be the next great quarterback.

1261
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: And I think he is a great quarterback. He's been

1262
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: a top ten quarterback in my mind since he entered

1263
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: the league. That's hard to find. But he hasn't quite

1264
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: reached the top level. But if any if he has

1265
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: any fault, he's too safe. And I think over the

1266
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: last month especially, he's playing his best football, like ripping

1267
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: the ball very aggressive. I don't think he's playing safe lately.

1268
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: They're starting to hit those explosive plays. Their offense is

1269
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: peaking now. I do wonder like especially Quinton Johnson coming

1270
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: off of a great game, like who covers Lad McConkey

1271
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: on this team, if they struggle over the middle of

1272
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: the field, you know, covering and some of the numbers

1273
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: agree with what you're what you're saying there. The Chargers

1274
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: are fourth and EPA passing over the ale of the

1275
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: field and that that's where McConkie does his work.

1276
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it exactly and he works.

1277
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 4: You know, he worked in the beginning of the season

1278
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 4: mostly in the slot, and they've started to move him

1279
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 4: outside more. But that's where the Texans kind of getting

1280
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 4: to bind is that Derek Stingley doesn't play in the slot.

1281
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 4: If you move Kamari Lassiter down into the slot, then

1282
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 4: you've got either guys you don't feel about awesome about

1283
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 4: on the outside. And you know Quintin Johnson, Yeah, he

1284
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 4: had that, Quinn john My best hope for Quinton Johnson

1285
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 4: at times in this game might be that Quintin Johnson

1286
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 4: does a good job defending himself by dropping the football.

1287
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 3: So, I mean, which is a thing like and that's

1288
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 3: another part when I go back to Herbert, you know.

1289
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 4: He's been doing this with a developing Lad McConkie. He's

1290
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 4: very polished as a rookie, but he's a rookie still

1291
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 4: and without the full compliment of receivers he had when

1292
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 4: he put up some of those more prolific numbers earlier

1293
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 4: in his career. But again, when I look at the

1294
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 4: Texans defense, the one big thing is that at Home

1295
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 4: Anne Energy Stadium, they've they made Josh Allen throw thirty

1296
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 4: complete thirty percent of his passes, Jared Goff there you go,

1297
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 4: thrive five interceptions for Jared Goff, Tua through three interceptions,

1298
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 4: and Tua's two through three interceptions in a day where

1299
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 4: he barely threw past the line of scrimmage. So there's that.

1300
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 4: Don't ask me about Lamar Jackson.

1301
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: I want that was late in the year. I want

1302
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 1: some Texans optimism. Give me a little bit of like

1303
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: the vibe of Demiko, because there is something to the

1304
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: fact that they made the playoffs a year ago. They're

1305
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: in year two of their their run. Harbaugh's in year one.

1306
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: They have an experience winning, they have a home field advantage,

1307
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: and no one's going to be picking them for this game.

1308
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, if that's really going to

1309
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: like fire everyone up. But Rex Ryan was on TV

1310
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: saying this was basically a bye for the.

1311
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: Basically he said it. He said, yeah, so he said

1312
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 3: they got a bye. That was perfect though.

1313
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 4: I think that's a that's you know, Dimiko all year long,

1314
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 4: like every coach in the NFL has talked about, you know,

1315
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 4: you got to avoid the outside noise. Don't listen to

1316
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 4: the outside noise. The great thing about Rex Ryan is

1317
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 4: that that's.

1318
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 3: That was such a perfect chip to put on.

1319
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 4: A shoulder that I think you can play the disrespect

1320
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 4: card there and get people fired up. I think the

1321
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 4: defensive guys, I love the defense. They play like psychos,

1322
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 4: like the right kind of psychos. They all they all

1323
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 4: look like they want to do harm to the opponent.

1324
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 4: Offense not so much.

1325
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: They're much nice get to the offense. Give me a

1326
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: little bit on how you think Stingley has played this year.

1327
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 4: Oh, he's been great, man, you know, because his biggest

1328
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 4: his biggest thing really in his first couple of years

1329
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 4: was just staying healthy. And last year I think he

1330
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 4: played at a Pro Bowl caliber. He just only played

1331
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 4: however many games, I think nine games by the time

1332
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 4: they voted on the Pro Bowl. So like this has

1333
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 4: been his first completely healthy season. And the fun thing

1334
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 4: about him, is that he's just in complete command and

1335
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 4: control all the time. I've always been I've always been

1336
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 4: most jealous of d defensive backs in terms of athleticism.

1337
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,959
Speaker 3: Because they're just the guys that are really good.

1338
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 4: Like Stingley, they're you know, they can move in all

1339
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 4: all directions, they can turn their hips, they can do

1340
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 4: all those things like they're like gymnasts on a football field.

1341
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 4: And that's what Stingley is like. And he's gotten to

1342
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 4: that point now where he can bait people a little bit.

1343
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 4: There's a lot of times he tracks the ball really well.

1344
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 4: So there's times where it feels like Stingley, even when

1345
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 4: his back is still turned to the quarterback, has a

1346
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 4: better feel for when the ball is going to arrive

1347
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 4: than the receiver himself. So that's his ability to create turnovers.

1348
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 4: Kamari Lassiter and Kylen Bullock the rookie, they've both had

1349
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,879
Speaker 4: a bunch of interceptions, so their ability to either intercept

1350
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 4: the ball or force fumbles and strip sacks and everything

1351
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 4: that's real. Like, there's a lot about this Texans team

1352
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 4: that disappointed offensively certainly, but even defensively, they haven't quite

1353
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 4: reached where I think they're.

1354
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 3: Capable of being, but they take the ball away a lot.

1355
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: Right And you mentioned having two rookie players in the secondary,

1356
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: and it's very similar to the Chargers with Tarheeb still

1357
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: and who is a cam Hart. But I think Lassiter

1358
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: and Bullock have been even better. Bullock made an incredible

1359
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: interception last week that was overturned. And there is something too,

1360
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's a defensive coach and his defense

1361
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: is doing the job. And if you just look at

1362
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: the players, like who are great players? I think the Texans,

1363
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, have more of them overall. They certainly do

1364
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: on the defensive side. Both Saint Mac are not who

1365
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: they used to be on as the edge players, and

1366
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: for the Chargers it seems a little more like scheme

1367
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: and effort, which goes a long way, but that maybe

1368
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: their defense is a little more vulnerable, whereas if one

1369
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: side of the ball for either team is going to

1370
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: just step up and like star players are going to

1371
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: show out, it could be Hunter and Anderson in Stingley

1372
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: and as he he's al Shaier. I feel like it

1373
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: is mostly known nationally for the suspension, but he was

1374
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: really good this year. He really matters for them, and

1375
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: he's back in.

1376
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm glad you brought him up because it's

1377
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 4: especially when you go back to that Ravens game. I mean,

1378
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 4: the linebackers and the defensive ends, you know, the defensive

1379
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 4: ends just they weren't playing the zone read and all

1380
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 4: of that element that goes with Derrick Henry and Lamar

1381
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 4: Jackson very well at all. But the linebackers, especially without his,

1382
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 4: he's al Shire back there kind of directing traffic, alerting guys.

1383
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 4: There have been times this year the Jacksonville game actually

1384
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 4: there was there was a goal line stand that it

1385
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 4: was really critical and the Texans ended up winning the game.

1386
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 4: But his he's basically told the defensive line exactly what

1387
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 4: play was coming, you know, like that kind of veteran

1388
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 4: leadership and then being able to keep guys on their

1389
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 4: keys and know the tendencies and get everything all together.

1390
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 4: That's a big difference. And I agree with one hundred

1391
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 4: percent in terms of the names and the impact play

1392
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 4: ability of the guys on the d defense is really

1393
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 4: really good. It's just they're going up against the quarterback

1394
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 4: who's only thrown three interceptions on the year, and and

1395
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 4: he's never you know, he hasn't he's only had he

1396
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 4: hasn't had a multi interception game. It's it's gonna be

1397
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 4: on them, and they're capable of doing it.

1398
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 3: It's just a it's a really big if because the

1399
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 3: other side.

1400
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 4: Of it is that the Texans offense, I don't even

1401
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 4: know where they rank in the rushing stats right now.

1402
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: Because dead last success right.

1403
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,919
Speaker 4: Yeah right, their second running back getting hit in the backfield.

1404
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 4: And I can't tell you how many times there were

1405
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 4: this year, greg where Joe Mixon would have like one

1406
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 4: hundred and forty yards rushing and immediately after the game,

1407
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 4: you're like, they couldn't run the ball for crap, because

1408
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 4: it was it was it was like one or two

1409
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 4: huge Joe Mixon runs where he broke a tackle in

1410
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 4: the backfield, bounced it outside.

1411
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 3: But the success rate.

1412
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 4: The ability to run on first and second down consistently,

1413
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 4: it just gets them in third and long all the time.

1414
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 4: And then the pass protection is they've improved some of

1415
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 4: the egregious stuff from earlier in the year, but see's

1416
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 4: just he's getting harassed all the time, and it's a

1417
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 4: really hard watch.

1418
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 3: That part of is a really hard watch.

1419
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, So I mentioned twenty sixth overall in offense,

1420
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: but in terms of allowing pressure, in terms of the

1421
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: running game, the offensive line still is banged up. You

1422
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: have Shaq Mason not practicing. I assume he's out for

1423
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: this game, which so they're trying to figure things out.

1424
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: Where do you think Stroud is at. I wanted to

1425
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: be optimistic and watched last week's game and see a

1426
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: really good first drive where they scored a touchdown and

1427
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: to your point about running the ball, they tried to

1428
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: run it in on the goal line and they couldn't.

1429
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: I was like, this is perfect. They ran right down

1430
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: the field and they get stuffed on the goal line.

1431
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: They were bad and short yards, but they did throw

1432
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: for the touchdown, you know, to Nico, I think from

1433
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: the one or two yard line and you got out

1434
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: of there with a perfect touchdown. And he just seems

1435
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: like such an to me from the outside, an emotional

1436
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: player that like when it's going well, it's going well,

1437
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: and he's in rhythm and it's incredible, and when it's not,

1438
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: maybe it's like just the negativity, it's just getting worse

1439
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: and worse, like he gets stuck in it. I don't

1440
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: know if.

1441
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 4: That Yeah, well, you know the one, the one big

1442
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 4: moment was when Tank Dell got injured in the Chiefs game,

1443
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 4: and it was as Tank Dell, I mean, Tank Dell's

1444
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 4: knee got blown apart and he held onto the ball

1445
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 4: on a deep shot into the end zone, and it

1446
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 4: was it was a great play. And that was in

1447
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 4: a game where they were kind of clicking with Tank Dell.

1448
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: They were playing well.

1449
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tank had six receptions in the first half and

1450
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 4: plus that one, and he was playing as well and

1451
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 4: was getting as many touches as he's had all season long.

1452
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 4: And then it just went could put And immediately after

1453
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 4: that play, I mean CJ came in and they they

1454
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 4: drove down into the red zone. But then CJ made

1455
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 4: a couple of really bad errors. The next week, he

1456
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 4: didn't really show up. That's the only time all year

1457
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 4: where we were wondering I think if CJ just almost

1458
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 4: like had been broken mentally or something or emotionally. I

1459
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 4: think to week and within a game, I don't worry

1460
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 4: about I think he's pretty stable. He's pretty calm, cool

1461
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 4: and collected. The thing about it, though, is that you

1462
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 4: could almost see it as the season progressed, as he

1463
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 4: started to.

1464
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 3: Get hit more and more and more the process got

1465
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 3: sped up.

1466
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 4: I think you started to see more inaccurate throws, like

1467
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 4: errant throws even when there wasn't pressure, or there's times

1468
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 4: where you could just see him trying to figure out,

1469
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 4: all right, when do I need to get rid of

1470
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 4: the ball quickly? When do I need to check down?

1471
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 4: When can I when can I string the play out

1472
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 4: a little bit longer? And then there have also there's

1473
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 4: been speculation that maybe he's way more banged up than

1474
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 4: he's let on, or then we know, and that might

1475
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 4: provide you don't want to make excuses, like he's flat

1476
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 4: out said that he doesn't want to make excuses for that.

1477
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 4: But there's just there's so many things wrong with the

1478
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 4: offense right now that it's really hard to talk about

1479
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 4: one underperforming group without also thinking about the three other

1480
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 4: underperforming groups that are that are contributing to that. And

1481
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 4: it's just a it's a big it's a big, soggy

1482
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 4: house of cards, like a house of cards in a

1483
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 4: rainstorm or something.

1484
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 3: There's no solid foundation anything.

1485
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that Bobby Sloweck has constructed. And he's out here

1486
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: getting an interview with the Jets for a head coaching job,

1487
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: and I can't be the only one thinking at this point.

1488
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: And I don't want you don't want to be rooting

1489
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: for guys to lose their jobs. But if I had

1490
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: to guess, if they have a bad offensive performance, like

1491
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily expect Bobby Slowek to be back as

1492
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: the coordinator without knowing anything just how it's operated, because

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Speaker 1: I think for half a season CJ was heroic. He

1494
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: was making at work despite terrible surroundings, and eventually it

1495
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: sort of caved in on him. But they just they

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: haven't had solutions. Do you have any optimism that they

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01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: could they could find some here at the last second.

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Speaker 4: Like whether it's the coordinator or I mean, the offensive

1499
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 4: line doesn't seem to be executing fundamental things all that well,

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01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 4: whatever it is, there needs to be a systemic change,

1501
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 4: whether that's changing coaching personnel or their methodology or approach

1502
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 4: to life. I don't know, maybe they need to go

1503
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 4: from maybe they need to be Presbyterians instead of Methodists.

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01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 3: I don't have a clue. It's it's really really bad.

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01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 4: And you know where it all came to head was

1506
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 4: in the Ravens game. Really, because you look at the

1507
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 4: Ravens this year, and in Lamar Jackson's second game or

1508
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,839
Speaker 4: second year with Todd Monkin, I mean, he looks reborn.

1509
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 4: He looks like a polished NFL quarterback passing quarterback, but

1510
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 4: he can still run the hell out of the ball.

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01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 4: And it's just everything that you wondered about for years

1512
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 4: with Okay, is it Greg Roman's fault?

1513
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 3: Is it Lamar Jackson's fault?

1514
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 4: I don't know, but Harbaugh, And it's hard to criticize Harba,

1515
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 4: but Harbaugh probably waited too long to make a decision

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01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 4: on just changing, whether you whether you wanted to blame

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01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 4: Greg Roman or not or whatever. Like change for change's

1518
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 4: sake some times is a good thing. And if you

1519
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 4: drag it out and drag it out and drag it out,

1520
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 4: I think you can steiny a guy's growth a little bit.

1521
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 4: And I think, and I don't mean to think, I

1522
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 4: don't mean to act like Lamar Jackson wasn't a really

1523
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 4: good passer before. It's just this year, it's it's all

1524
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 4: come together. He's doing all the finer aspects of the game,

1525
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 4: like balancing when to take shots, when to take when

1526
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 4: not to when to run the ball, just pushing the

1527
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 4: ball outside the numbers, with ease.

1528
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: It's just it's the complete and total package.

1529
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 4: And I don't I personally like, I don't think that

1530
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 4: you can extend this experiment any longer down the road,

1531
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 4: Like you've got to make some kind of a even

1532
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 4: if the Texans make a nice playoff run here, somehow,

1533
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 4: you got to make some kind of change.

1534
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: It's tough to do. It's tough to change the coordinator

1535
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: after even winning one playoff game, much less too. I'd

1536
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 1: be stunned if they won two. I would be moderately

1537
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: surprised if they won this weekend, but it's not one

1538
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: where I look at the three point spread for the

1539
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: Charges and like, that's that's a home run. It wouldn't.

1540
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me because I do believe in CJ wholeheartedly.

1541
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: Kind of the Bryce versus CJ arguments have popped up again,

1542
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 1: and I've loved what Bryce Young has done. But I

1543
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: have no I really have no questions about CJ. Stroud's future.

1544
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: We do gotta go, but like, do you like I

1545
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be locked in near the top, Like

1546
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: how how close to the top. We'll find out, But

1547
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: to me, he has obviously shown enough at this level

1548
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: at such a young age. I really have no doubts

1549
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: about him in a similar way that that I had

1550
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: for Herbert different because he's not as like just crazy talented,

1551
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: but that he's gonna be a very good starter at

1552
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: worse for a long time.

1553
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I have zero concerns about it, Like if

1554
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 4: it comes, I'll be very surprised if.

1555
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 3: He's not better next year.

1556
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 4: And again I think they got to make some changes offensively,

1557
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 4: but the long term, my long term confidence in him

1558
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 4: is unshaken. The biggest thing really with him is ultimately

1559
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be really good for him

1560
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 4: to have gone through this year because there, man, there

1561
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 4: was so much love in praise heaped on all those

1562
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 4: guys offensively in the offseason, and it becomes a cliche

1563
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,799
Speaker 4: when you talk about Nick Saban's rat poison or anything.

1564
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 4: You know, just reading your press clipping starting to I

1565
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 4: think there are a lot of guys on that offense

1566
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 4: that didn't genuinely understand how really hard it is to

1567
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 4: win in the NFL, and that's something that happens sometimes

1568
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 4: when you play in the AFC South. So like this

1569
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 4: was a good lest year for a lot of guys,

1570
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 4: multiple teams I was AFC seid. Look, look I played

1571
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 4: for two teams that were both in the old AFC Central.

1572
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 4: Now that was a hard division to win, my friend,

1573
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 4: especially when it was six teams. So yeah, this this,

1574
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 4: this AFC South, I've never felt comfortable being an alumnus

1575
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 4: of it.

1576
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, I yeah, I'm sorry for miss misdivisioning you.

1577
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know what was going on.

1578
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 3: In the Cent. You didn't you didn't miss division me.

1579
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,719
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist anymore, that's.

1580
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. And uh yeah, I do think perspective.

1581
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 4: I played, I was in the AFC South when I

1582
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 4: was with the Texans, but it was the first five

1583
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 4: the first five years was in the AFC Central.

1584
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that makes sense. Back with the Jags and uh,

1585
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: like I I don't want to forget, like what a

1586
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: journey this team has on been on. It was just

1587
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: a few years ago that they were stuck. You know,

1588
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was hurt. They didn't know everything that they

1589
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 1: had him. They got that trade pulled off. Despite everything

1590
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: that we knew about them, they had won ten games

1591
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: over three years with three different coaches. The ghost of

1592
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: Jack Easterbee was like lingering if they're like, come down

1593
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: season is ten and seven with an easy schedule, but

1594
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: ten and seven with a home division game in the

1595
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: offense bottoms out like that relatively is a very good

1596
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: place to be, as is anytime you're watching the Seth

1597
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: Pain Show on YouTube, you got to check out Seth's

1598
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. It's wild. Now you're doing this thing where

1599
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: you're like watching the highlights and then you talk next

1600
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: to it. I didn't even know that's allowed, but that's amazing, trouble.

1601
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: That's great.

1602
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 4: They let y'all do you do way more than don't

1603
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 4: tell anybody. It's a little secret thing. Yeah, the NFL

1604
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 4: got really cool with the social media stuff where they'll, uh,

1605
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 4: they'll they'll take all the ad revenue from it, but

1606
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 4: they let you play highlights and everything as long as

1607
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 4: as long as you give them their their cut. Yeah, Okay,

1608
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 4: you can't amounetize the video, but it's yeah, for now,

1609
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 4: at least it's a it's a golden age of YouTube

1610
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 4: on with the NFL content.

1611
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, check out at Seth Pain Show. If you know,

1612
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: you can check out what is it six ' ten?

1613
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: I should do.

1614
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 4: I know it's Radio six ten in Houston. Yeah, go

1615
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 4: to the Odyssey app or just watch watch us on

1616
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 4: YouTube is the easiest way. If you're outside of Houston,

1617
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 4: go to the Odyssey app. If you don't, if you

1618
01:23:58,360 --> 01:23:59,879
Speaker 4: don't want to burn up all your data.

1619
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 1: Maybe this won't be the last time we talked, Seth.

1620
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll see you in New Orleans.

1621
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 4: Derek Barnette lyon, Derek Burnett's got two touchdowns this year,

1622
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 4: a defensive lineman, a castaway from Philadelphia is two touchdowns

1623
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 4: for the Texans.

1624
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: Anything's possible. All right, that's it for our previous show.

1625
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: Thank you to Seth Payne. Of course thanks to Steve

1626
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: Wish and Patrick Claybon. Yes, when we're bringing on Seth

1627
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: payin potentially for the last time in this season, you.

1628
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 3: Know, for calendar year twenty twenty five. Man