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Speaker 1: On today's episode flex or Flop. Welcome to the solid

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Speaker 1: verbal ull that for me. I'm a man, I'm for

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Edo Steak is that woo woom? And them and Tye,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Clid Rebel Boys and Girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is ty Hildenbrandt. That fine gentleman over there. Back

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Speaker 1: from sunny southern California. We took the day off Dan

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Speaker 1: for the fourth of July. I know we did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you flew back to your studio in Chicago on the

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Speaker 1: fourth of July. We are back now recording this on

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Speaker 1: July the sixth, sir, how are you? I'm great, Ty.

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Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in the water out west,

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Speaker 2: hurling my kids to and fro could not recommend it more.

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Speaker 2: And so as as I like to do here, Ty,

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Speaker 2: I'm making I'm building the whole podcast audio plane out

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Speaker 2: of the idea of creating splashes.

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Speaker 1: Tie.

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Speaker 2: It's July, and we happen to be recording this on

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Speaker 2: July fifth, and so we'll get into that momentarily. Tie.

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Speaker 1: But we have a number of teams.

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Speaker 2: We have the concept of Splashes seven five, of course,

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Speaker 2: July fifth. So here I am tie, maybe a little tanner,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little more energize, go out less.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I feel good, ty, I do excellent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I misspoke. We are recording this on July the fifth,

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Speaker 1: many of you, most of you are probably listening to

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Speaker 2: Have nothing to add, Ty, I have nothing to add

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Speaker 2: except for excitement getting into this game.

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Speaker 1: So, as you mentioned, we're recording this on July the fifth.

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Speaker 1: Many folks will listen to this excuse me on July

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Speaker 1: the sixth. However, there are a bunch of teams last year,

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Speaker 1: the one, seven, and five that actually were handful of

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Speaker 1: teams of one, seven and six as well but seven

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Speaker 1: and five is our concept here? Regular season seven, regular

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Speaker 1: season seventy five. Yeah, we put our heads together and

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Speaker 1: as you said, you're kind of enamored with this idea

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Speaker 2: So as you know the name of the show, if

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Speaker 2: you decide to put this in the title, ty, I

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Speaker 2: don't know where you're going to be here with your

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Speaker 2: a number of teams and I think we should come

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Speaker 2: And so the name of our game is flex I

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Speaker 2: remember sex or flop? That's just a generic belly flop

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Speaker 1: What was the last time you did a belly fop?

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Speaker 1: I believe I was tippy and did a belly flop

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Speaker 2: Six hipsy honeymoon flop. Yeah, I think that was to

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Speaker 1: Oh what a night that must have been, right, crazy, crazy.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, we're playing flex or flop, So flex being

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's something. I think it's kind

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Speaker 1: That's fine. So the six teams that we picked out,

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Speaker 2: What's more, seven and five ISH the Atlantic Coast Conference.

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Speaker 1: your rubric is very simple. It's quarterback and defense. That's

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Speaker 2: Any any team would be well served to combine strong

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Speaker 1: And you know, I wake Forest hasn't really had a

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Speaker 1: flex here with Wake Forest is because of Dave Clawson.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been there for a while now, he's

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Speaker 1: the bowl games. He's at least got them to that standard,

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Speaker 1: The road games are a real challenge. When we did

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Speaker 1: But all this to say that I just I think

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Speaker 1: is a nice program. I think he has built them

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Speaker 1: to coach his way to seven wins more often than not.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not this year, but more often than not if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the thing about Wazoo, I think, just

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Speaker 2: In the short term, they could start out five and one,

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Speaker 1: And if you're going to.

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Speaker 2: Play the Flexix Devil's Advocate with the Kougs, you're losing

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Speaker 2: to be heading, with where Oregon is heading or appears

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Speaker 2: to be heading as well. Oregon State seems to have arrived.

433
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Speaker 1: So some of.

434
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Speaker 2: Those you look at Oregon State, Arizona's improved, Colorado is

435
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: who knows. But right now, in the short to short

436
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: medium term, the floor is being raised in the conference,

437
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: even with USC and UCLA out that these schools are

438
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: quick to not wait around for improvement that's clearly not coming.

439
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: And so yes, Gary Anderson, Jimmy Lake, Herm Edwards era

440
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: teams were nice soft land Carl Derell like, oh man,

441
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Speaker 2: they're gone. So that's what's bad news for Washington State

442
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: to me, that we might be heading towards a more

443
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Speaker 2: acc ish PAC twelve moving forward where there's one or

444
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: two teams at the top and then just a messive

445
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: teams sitting at five and seven, six and six, seven

446
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Speaker 2: and five.

447
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Speaker 1: All right, give me a flex, Give me a flex

448
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: for Louisville Sex, Yeah, let's flex for Louisville dan Over

449
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: Unders eight and a half this year. Now. I started

450
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: digging into Louisville just this past week, okay, as part

451
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: of kind of the normal pre season cycle of trying

452
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: to relearn teams and figure out who we like and

453
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: don't like. I am starting to really talk myself into

454
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: Louisville this season and probably beyond for a handful of reasons,

455
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Speaker 1: most of which I will go into when we do

456
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Speaker 1: the actual preview. I don't want to. I don't want

457
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: to give too much of the game away because I

458
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: have a lot to say on Louisville. But I think

459
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: the biggest reason that I'm a flex is the job

460
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Speaker 1: that Jeff Brohm did at Purdue and knowing that he

461
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Speaker 1: is coming back to place that he is familiar with,

462
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: knowing that if he can bring any semblance of that

463
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: magic with him from West Lafayette, Wuiville will be in

464
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: a better spot than it was last year under Scott Saderfield.

465
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: Bear in mind, this was not a horrible team last

466
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Speaker 1: year under Sadderfield. It was an inconsistent team. It was

467
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Speaker 1: a team that lost two games by a combined five

468
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Speaker 1: points to what was at Florida State and Boston College.

469
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Speaker 1: This is like an eight and five team after the

470
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Speaker 1: Bowl that very easily could have had more wins. So

471
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Speaker 1: wasn't a bad team. There's still talent on the roster.

472
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Speaker 1: What I like about what brom has done very quickly

473
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Speaker 1: is he brought in twenty five transfers. Whereas Sadderfield was

474
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Speaker 1: I think a little bit more reserved in the portal.

475
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Speaker 1: Jeff Brohm hit the ground running and he brought a

476
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Speaker 1: bunch of guys in. Now, bringing new guys in does

477
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: not mean all of them are going to materialize, doesn't

478
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Speaker 1: mean they're all going to be good. Jack Plumber could

479
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: stink at quarterback. I don't know. I don't know if

480
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Speaker 1: I like it either, but I appreciate at least the

481
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: attention to detail here in Hey, we got to get

482
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: depth on this roster, and so Plumber might not work out.

483
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: But Steven Herron from Stanford the defensive end, he could

484
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: help boast of the defense. Storm Duck the corner who

485
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Speaker 1: transferred from North Carolina two Penn State is now in Louisville.

486
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: He could end up helping that secondary. I believe they

487
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Speaker 1: got the two best players from Georgia State, a receiver

488
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Speaker 1: and a defender. So he's come in and I think

489
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: he's made his mark in that sense by adding talent

490
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Speaker 1: to the roster. And clearly whatever he's selling people are buying,

491
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: they're willing to come play for him. So if he

492
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Speaker 1: can continue to do that, that will serve him well

493
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Speaker 1: because that is really the direction of the sport. The

494
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Speaker 1: Louisville program as a whole, I think time and again

495
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: has proven itself as one that wants to invest in football,

496
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: wants to have a good football team. Saderfield leaving and

497
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: brom stepping in, I think is a big coaching upgrade.

498
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Speaker 1: The combination of what we saw the track or a

499
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: limited track record we saw with Jeff Brohm at Purdue,

500
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Speaker 1: the fact that he has come over now to Louisville

501
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: place again he's very familiar and has been able to

502
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Speaker 1: recruit guys off of other teams to come and play

503
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Speaker 1: for him. And I think the fact that the acc

504
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Speaker 1: despite the fact, as you said, it is getting better,

505
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: but it still is very gettable. It's just very very

506
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Speaker 1: gettable to me. All of that talent that's still in

507
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: the roster, knowing that they were inconsistent last year, just

508
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: feels like a good situation to me, and the schedule

509
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: is nice this year. The schedule actually works to their

510
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: favorite in the short term. So I think when we

511
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: did our initial schedule preview, the over undermight ha have

512
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: been lower. It's now bumped up to eight and a half.

513
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it's still eight and

514
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Speaker 1: a half, which is you know that you're an eight

515
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: or a nine win team by the measures of Vegas.

516
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: It just seems to me like he steps into a

517
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: really good situation. He's the type of guy's probably going

518
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: to be around a while as well, which is another

519
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: thing that we could found. I'm a big time flex

520
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: and life. I actually thought about doing a literal flex

521
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: here for the camera because of Louisville. Because of how

522
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: I feel about Louisville. I've really I was not as

523
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: gung ho on them as I feel I am starting

524
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: to be the more I dig in. So I'm in

525
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: all right.

526
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: So you have the investment of Jeff Brohm, obviously being

527
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: his hometown team, you have I thought some savvy hires

528
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: on defense when he was at Purdue. Yeah, turned Aid

529
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: and O'Connell into a full on, pretty good quarterback. I

530
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: think he was a walk on right Aiden O'Connell beat

531
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: out Jack Plumber. You have recruiting to Purdue in an

532
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: interesting way. You know, look at a couple of the

533
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: receivers brought in, David Bell most recently star POWERT receiver.

534
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: I think he is a good eye for assistant coaches.

535
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: And the defense was coming off a year last year. Akay,

536
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: this is short term. This doesn't mean that this is

537
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: there now an eight nine win program, whatever. But I

538
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: want to say the defense was like a top twenty

539
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: points per drive defense. So underlying numbers say that they

540
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: played hard, they made red zone stops, whatever. And so

541
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: if we're going to say that Louisville will have more

542
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: in the way of recruiting because of geography and because

543
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: of history recent history of success, more so than what

544
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: Purdue has had, and we're going to say we've got

545
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: a quarterback whisper for a head coach, a topsy turvy

546
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: acc I don't end an active portal structure with which

547
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: is what Louisville has right now.

548
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: It is a destination. I think feeling the flex is fine.

549
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: That's a lot of f's, that's a lot of alliteration.

550
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: Feeling the flex is fine.

551
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: So I don't have a case against it more so

552
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: just that it's a new situation for Jeff Brahm and

553
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: the I want to say, the top of the ACC

554
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: in adding Florida State now becomes a little bit more

555
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: difficult where it was just sort of Clemson and a

556
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: mess of teams Clempson.

557
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's sure.

558
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm good with this. I'm good with the flex. I

559
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: think there's more to like than not with this coaching change,

560
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: so I have nothing to detract. We'll see whatever the

561
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: future of the ACC holds in terms of teams coming

562
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: and going. But I think Louisville's is pretty well positioned

563
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: to win eight or nine games a year. Absolutely.

564
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, big, big time flex for me onund Louisville. I'm

565
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: you can do it at Purdue. Yeah, you can do

566
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: in other places. I agree. All right, where do you

567
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: want to go next? Ti, Let's go to Houston? Okay, Mom,

568
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: newcomer to the Big twelve over under four and a half,

569
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: a coach, head coach, and Dana Holgerson who has played

570
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: at very high levels before, so I don't think this

571
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: is necessarily above him. But anytime you've got a new

572
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: program stepping into a power conference, the red flags go up. Sure,

573
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: the red flags go up, how will they assimilate? We

574
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: don't even know what the Big Twelve is going to

575
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: look like three years from now. There's I think an

576
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: ongoing conversation about that. We know Texas and Oklahoma won't

577
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: be there, which seemingly would bode well for schools like

578
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: Houston or really any other school in the Big twelve.

579
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: But where are you at with the Kooks? I think

580
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm buying low.

581
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm buying low with Houston. Yeah, you said

582
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: four and a half games. I think that's probably right

583
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: considering where they are right now.

584
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: Now.

585
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: The way that they can recruit in saying come to

586
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: a power conference and stay close to home, if you're

587
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: from East Texas, Southern Texas, whatever, South Texas. That's a

588
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: big thing in terms of bringing a transfer back from

589
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: farther away. Right If somebody from Texas ends up at Arkansas,

590
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: if somebody at Texas ends from like the Houston area, whatever,

591
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: ends up at LSU, ends up also close to East Texas,

592
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: but ends up at Florida, whatever, because this is a

593
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: hotly contested recruiting ground and it doesn't work out that

594
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: there is a power program in their backyard. Similar to

595
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: what we've talked about with some of the Florida schools

596
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: that they're positioned well geographically for kids to come home.

597
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: And so with Houston, we think we're going to continue

598
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: to get good quarterback development. Donovan Smith is now there,

599
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: we'll say. I think it's Donovan Smith and Lucas Coley,

600
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: I want to say, are battling for the job. I

601
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: don't know if anything has been announced as of seven

602
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: to five, but the defense fully flopped last year, fell

603
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: off a cliff. After a really nice twenty twenty one,

604
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: they return a bunch, They've added some in transfers. I

605
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: just think because of how active Houston can be in

606
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: the portal, with Dana Holgerson's experience at a more difficult

607
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: place to recruit to at West Virginia, and how savvy

608
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: he has been, that's my word of recently savvy. And

609
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: remember Tony Gibson, what did you call him, Crazy Carl

610
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: Joseph in the back end there, Crazy Carl Virginia way

611
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: back when. Because of that, with the mess that, I

612
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: think the Big twelve and I mean this actually in

613
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: an endearing way, the Big twelve will be in the

614
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: because I think the floor is pretty high. I think

615
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: if there is going to be a team that emerges

616
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: that can attract a quarterback, that can find playmakers on defense,

617
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: that doesn't have to wait three or four years to

618
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: be good in that development cycle, if Houston can get

619
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: back to the point, this is a monumental sized if,

620
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 2: because when they got there with Tom Herman, they were

621
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: pulling in big time recruits. Keeping them home at Oliver

622
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: was the headliner there. So there has to be an

623
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: element of that where we have to see in mid

624
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: December a headline of Dana Holgerson out Fox's Brian Kelly

625
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: something like that for a local recruit or three local recruits.

626
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna.

627
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: Buy low because of the talent base, and I think

628
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: they might only win five games this year, but long term,

629
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: if there's a team well positioned to make that leap

630
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: and separate itself from a middle of the pack.

631
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: I think I'm going Houston. And now Dana Holgas is

632
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: a wild card.

633
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: He'll throw it a three to nine year yeah, but

634
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna buy low based on quarterback and

635
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: talent level.

636
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: What frightens me a little bit about Houston and I

637
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: understand moving into now a Power Conference. Over the long term,

638
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: maybe they can adjust some of these offense defense skews

639
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: that we look at. Yeah, right, maybe maybe the access

640
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: to the Power Five gives them a greater access to talent. Obviously,

641
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: they're in a very advantageous spot being so they're in Texas.

642
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: But too much of Houston's recent profile has skewed in

643
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 1: the direction of offense. It's been all aw it's been

644
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: a typical Holgerson team, which is are you off Are

645
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: you telling me that a team that lost a game

646
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: seventy seven to sixty three last year is perhaps a

647
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: little bit too focused on offense. I'm just saying, Okay,

648
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the skews. This is a half team.

649
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: This is a big time half team. And it's fine

650
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: if you're having an outdual UTSA, or if you have

651
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: to outdual Memphis or us SEF or East on the

652
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: East Carolina they kill it Temple right, throw Temple in there.

653
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: It's fine if you have to outduel those teams more

654
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: often than not. I feel like with Houston's talent base,

655
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna win those games. But if you're now suddenly

656
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: getting into shootouts with Oklahoma State, or shootouts with TCU

657
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: or Baylor. Those are just better teams. And I don't

658
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: think you can rely on the offense to the same extent.

659
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: You just can't. You're gonna you're gonna have to build

660
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: a defense. You're gonna have to find some way to

661
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: make it a little bit more symmetrical on both sides

662
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: of the ball. So though, I like the idea of

663
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: Houston going into the Big twelve, and I think it fits,

664
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: and I think it's a program that's probably long overdue

665
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: to be in a Power five conference. I'm I'm. My

666
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: inclination is to say flop for the short term.

667
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: By the way, last season, I look at the second

668
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: order wins as I know you do. They start out

669
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: the season kind of catastrophically bad. They beat you TSA,

670
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: which is always going to be in hindsight, very impressive. Sure,

671
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: they lose close to Tulane. They have the wild shootout

672
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: against SMU. I don't believe their postgame win expectancy was

673
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: below fifty percent after the first three games, which is

674
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: both good and bad. Right, They constantly put themselves in

675
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: position to win because of the offense, and I think

676
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: they had something like the one hundred and twenty third

677
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: three and out percent and something crazy that if they

678
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: could just get the hell off the field a little

679
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: bit more like, you could see them jumping from whatever

680
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: there four and a half win the over under total

681
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: to like nine and a half in a season. Because

682
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: when you do something exceptionally well and just do that

683
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: other thing poorly and not catastrophically disastrously, that's two adverts,

684
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: you are going to win eight plus games. And so

685
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: I am, I am hearing you, Ty, I'm validating your feelings.

686
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to be a partner here, Ty, But

687
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: and you're totally right about, you know, the difficulty being

688
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: a step up from where they've been in the American

689
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: They were like eleven points from being ten and two

690
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: last year.

691
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm just looking at the same spreadsheet

692
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: as you, and their defensive performance relative to projections. Yeah, yeah,

693
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: And only four instances last year did the defense actually

694
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: exceed expectations, right, And that's that's generally not a sustainable model.

695
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: It's not especially going against better teams. But I hear you,

696
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: I hear Let's move on. We got to move on.

697
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: We've got a couple more teams to get through here.

698
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: So so far in the can, we've got Wake, We've

699
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: got Wazoo, we've got Louisville, and now we've got Houston.

700
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: Let me close out my run of ACC teams talking

701
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: about Syracuse Orange. Okay, Syracuse is six and a half over.

702
00:36:53,200 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: Under long term, I'm a flop on Ces. Okay, short

703
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: term it's it's sorry, thank you. It's a great sound.

704
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: Short term, maybe a holds quasi flex like a half flex.

705
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: I think Dino Babers is good enough to deal with a

706
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: winning season when he's got an above average quarterback. Yeah,

707
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: And so for that reason, long term it's a flop

708
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: for me because I'm not confident he can continually get

709
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: that above average quarterback in a sustainable way. And by that,

710
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not sure he can recruit one in

711
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: a consistent, ongoing way. He hasn't proven yet that he

712
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: can do that. I'm not sure that he can go

713
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: out in the portal and get one in a consistent,

714
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: sustainable way. That's hard to do. It doesn't matter who

715
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: your coach is. It is hard to find those guys

716
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: year in and year out. So for that reason that

717
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: that kind of skes me out a little bit.

718
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: In the short I like your shark tank Verbigil for

719
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: that reason. Yeah, I still got it aad short term though.

720
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: I think this season could be fun for Syracuse. Okay,

721
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: I think it could be fun. I think it's gonna

722
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: be a lot of Garrett Trader, Garrett Shredder, if we

723
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: want to go back to our old nomenclature.

724
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: A lot of Garrett Trader. To Ironde Gatz in the

725
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: second Syracuse was something like four and oh last year

726
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: in games where Gaston caught more than one hundred receiving yards.

727
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: He's a very, very good player, and the defense also

728
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: has a fair amount of experience returning. The schedule is

729
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: tough in the middle, but by and large seems workable

730
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: enough to get the seven or eight wins. See. I

731
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: don't think they'll get to eight, but I could easily

732
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: see them getting to seven. Probably would not touch the

733
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: over under, just because it seems like six and a

734
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: half is the right number. But I feel okay about

735
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: Syracuse getting to a bowl game. That seems like that

736
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: will happen to me. It's really just a question of

737
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: if Dino does not find his quarterback either in the

738
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: transfer portal or in the recruiting game. How are they

739
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: going to bolt this thing together? Because we've seen what

740
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: happens when he doesn't, and I'm just not confident in

741
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: his ability to kind of do that time and time

742
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: and time again. So for these reasons, Dan, I'm a flop.

743
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

744
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: I think Syracuse is a program that's well positioned. And

745
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, I love to refer to this the five

746
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: finger death punch from kill Bill. If you remember spoiler alert,

747
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: there's a five finger death punch. And to me that

748
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: is Syracuse can win a bunch of games when these

749
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: five programs are horrendous, right, they are a beneficiary of

750
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: acc flation, and so when that doesn't happen, I think

751
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: they settle back to the mean, which to me is

752
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: five or six wins, because I think Dino Babers is

753
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: a pretty good coach. But they lose Tony White, who's

754
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: been pretty great for them on defense. He goes to Nebraska.

755
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: They were forget being a taiale of like two sides

756
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: of the ball. They were a tale of two defenses.

757
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: They were incredible at stopp big plays last year and

758
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: awful against the run. You could do anything you wanted

759
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: within like a fifteen yard zone of Syracuse last season,

760
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: and so they're they're a team built in a very

761
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: specific way. They lose what five of six to finish

762
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: the season last year when teams realized they could just

763
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: run directly at them up the gut, And so I

764
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 2: I hesitate with a program like that that has cycled

765
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: through offensive coordinators now is changing making a change of

766
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, even though philosophically they're in a similar place.

767
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: I am just I have to I have to buy

768
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: into something specifically about your program and its ability to

769
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: win those close games. And they won them early, and

770
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: then we're.

771
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: Scoring like how many of the score against Pittsburgh and

772
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: Floridas I don't know what was nine point it was

773
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: nine points against Pace or who they scored three against,

774
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: like Florida State.

775
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: They that's inexcuseable. Florida State was a good team. You

776
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 2: can't score three points. So that and despite whatever injury is, situations, whatever.

777
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: I think, I'm I'm just.

778
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: I'm I'm in on Syracuse as a bowl team, but

779
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: not consistently having a seven win floor. Too much just

780
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: needs to go wrong around them for them to take advantage.

781
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: For me to feel like independently Syracuse is a pretty

782
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: good program.

783
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it pains me to say that because I

784
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: really like Dino Babers. Sure, I really like Dino Babers

785
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: as a coach, and I think he's a sharp guy.

786
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: He's been able to coach offense at a really high

787
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: level for a long time. But it's just the tools

788
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: with which he is working limit his ability to perform better.

789
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe I think. I do think Syracuse

790
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: will be better this season, and that's part of the

791
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: reason why I'm encouraged to watch them this year. I do.

792
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: I do feel like they're going to improve on defense.

793
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: I do feel like at least that tandem between Garrett

794
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: Schrader and Ronde Gatson will be fun to watch. But

795
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: they louse Shaan Tucker and they lose both starting tackles

796
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: on that offensive line, so that makes it tricky. There's

797
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: enough there to be good enough there to be competitive,

798
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: certainly enough there to make a bowl game, maybe make

799
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 1: a run at seven or eight wins, But longer term,

800
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: it's just again we want to talk about Wazoo maybe

801
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: getting squeezed out of this new reality of college football.

802
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: Syracuse is not unlike Wazoo in that sense where it's

803
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: It's just one of those teams that does not necessarily

804
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: have the pull of some of the bigger name brands.

805
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: School they have basketball, they you know as an athletic department, right.

806
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I mean there's a lot going on there

807
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: and there's I think a pretty good tradition just athletically,

808
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: but it's it's hard, it's going to be hard to compete.

809
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: So I'm a flop.

810
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: I'm a flex on the Syracuse experience because I'm any

811
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: given game, any given Syracuse game, you can tune in

812
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: for two and a half quarters and think to yourself,

813
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: Boy are they difficult?

814
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: Boy? Do they have it all? Figure it out? Boy?

815
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: Is that defense tricky? Boy?

816
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: Is there some interesting speed on offense? And then for

817
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: another corner and a half, depending on where it falls

818
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: in the game, you almost feel as if the other

819
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: coach is staring at Dino Baber's nes controller and seeing

820
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: every single play it's like, oh, being up up into

821
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: the left alrighty. And that's the Syracuse experience, for better

822
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: or worse. And I guess Mike Norvell had had very

823
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: keen eyes on Dino Babers's fingers. I don't know why

824
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: we went down this road. But that's the Syracuse experience,

825
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: and I just I need to believe in something more

826
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 2: than two and a half juicy quarters to buy into

827
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: you as a seven plus eight plus win program more

828
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: often than not. Close things out with Kentucky, Dan, Yeah, man,

829
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm a flex sexy.

830
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: Oh sexy? Why is Kentucky sexy?

831
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: I I just think there's too much to like. I

832
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: think there's too much like. Even though if you go

833
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: back to the exact year where Kentucky under Mark Stoop

834
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: started looking like what they look like now, they just

835
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: win seven games a year, so it's a hard regular

836
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: season game. I think they've gone seven to five more

837
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: often than they have any other record, and they'll have

838
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: their upswing when everything's going right and you make a

839
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: great hire in Liam Cohen who is back and everything

840
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: checks out for Kentucky, beating the portal and bringing in

841
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: a game changer like Wandale Robinson who you'll forever be

842
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: in love with, love Wondale, or having game changers on defense. Now,

843
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 2: here's the thing I think with the combination of where

844
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: they are at receiver right now, which is very good,

845
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: where they're at quarterback, depending on Devin Leary's health, should

846
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: be very good. Liam Cohen in his very short stint

847
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: was very good. I worry about the offensive line, which

848
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: was nightmarish bad last year, and not because I think

849
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: you know last year is everything, but just because if

850
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: I were to tell you Notre Dame has a bunch

851
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: of pretty shaky issues at offensive line, I don't think

852
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: you would be super confident in them fixing that overnight

853
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: right like they did. They had choose what two three

854
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: years ago and it took them a minute. Okay, it

855
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: takes time to gel. Now Kentucky's getting the portal hard.

856
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: We'll see if it improves. But with talent last year

857
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: on offense, Will Levis was constantly under fire. They couldn't

858
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: really do anything consistently on the ground, even when Chris

859
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: Rodriguez came back. And so that to me is the

860
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: concern that you can have a lot figured out, and

861
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: if I use the phrase, man, that offensive line is

862
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: kind of turnstilely. There's just not much you can do

863
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: to look consistently good as a team if the offensive

864
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: line isn't there. So that's a we'll see on that.

865
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: But Mark Stoops as a recruiter, Mark Stoops as somebody

866
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: who can pull out some close games. I mean, we

867
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: saw last year with the Zoo, we did lose a

868
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: close game of Vanderbilt.

869
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: Let's be honest.

870
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: There's a lot to like and not like about where

871
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: they were last year. But if you're giving me the option,

872
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: even in the SEC East, to say, do you think

873
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: in the next five years Kentucky will win eight games

874
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: more than seven, I'm gonna say Fleck. I'm going to

875
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: say flex because of what I think the talent level is.

876
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: It's a good division right now, just because of and

877
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: however long we're playing division football in the SEC. But

878
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: if we're looking at Kentucky as a team that has

879
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 2: to play a lot of the same teams that they've

880
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: been playing, I think they're in a decent spot. I

881
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: really do. I think they're well coached. I think Mark

882
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: Stoops is in a good spot professionally where he doesn't

883
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: have to win ten games and worry about getting fired.

884
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: So I think there's a certain amount of inner piece

885
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 2: that probably exists along that coaching staff. Obviously, Brad White

886
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: is probably one of the best fifteen defensive coordinators in

887
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: the country something like that, and so short of where

888
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: they were last year with everything going wrong, on offense,

889
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: it seemed at times, I think they're in a good place.

890
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: If I'm gonna wager on one side of this Kentucky

891
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: backsliding to like a five to six win program, I

892
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: don't see it.

893
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: I just don't. So I'm going with the flex here. Yeah,

894
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: I mean, thinking back to the schedule preview, we both

895
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: were encouraged by the fact that this is a slate

896
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Nobody Yeah, yeah, I mean we're

897
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: encouraged by the early slate. If you're trying to break

898
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: in a new quarterback or anything new for that matter,

899
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: Ball State, Eastern Kentucky and Akron followed by Vandy, it's

900
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: a pretty good way to do it. The first four

901
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, definitely, And they plucked Vandy's running

902
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: back Ray Davis. They took Vanny's running back, So in

903
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: all likelihood, that's a four and oh start, and then

904
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: you start counting beyond that, and it's like, okay, you

905
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: can you can easily get to six wins. You can

906
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: get the seven wins on this schedule. Longer term, I

907
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: think I'm a flex. I might not be as hard

908
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: of a flex as you are on Kentucky because that's fine.

909
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: How the introduction of Texas and Oklahoma factors in to

910
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of the longer term picture of the SEC that

911
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: that to me remains a little bit murky. What kind

912
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: of an impact that has on a school like a Kentucky.

913
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: Presumably everybody gets more money, that won't hurt. But will

914
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: that make it harder for Kentucky to get talent and

915
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: not somebody else? I don't know. But for the short term, yeah,

916
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: for the short term, I love Liam cohe coming back.

917
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: I love Devon Leary. I was crazy about Devin Leary.

918
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: I wanted him to go to Notre Dame. So I

919
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: think for the short term, I again feel pretty good

920
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: about their chances here, certainly in September. And I love

921
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: the coaching situation. The coaching situation is very stable. You

922
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: got to like that, So I think generally I'm with you.

923
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: But as the conference expands next year, as there's more

924
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: of an emphasis on getting to the playoff, maybe not

925
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: as much winning the conference, but getting to that sixteen

926
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: team playoff, I'm a little bit fearful that it's going

927
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: to make coaches who can't get there lose their minds,

928
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: because that will, of course be the measuring stick. But yeah,

929
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: I think generally I'm lucky.

930
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: I think Kentucky has a good shot to be Utah

931
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: light that there are always going to be programs that

932
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: are reeling or dealing with injuries, or just don't have

933
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: their act together, and Kentucky has the ceiling of an

934
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: SEC program that basically beats them all, beats all of

935
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: those clearly flawed teams. My concern is I think Kentucky

936
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: is also one of those programs that needs to have

937
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: a schedule filled with home wins, and to me, that

938
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: was last year's schedule. Last year was an unbelievable opportunity

939
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: to get to nine wins, given what the schedule looked like,

940
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: given what they returned, given what the best of the

941
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: defense looked like, and that they weren't able to take advantage.

942
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: And look, Will Levis is beat up. Obviously they didn't

943
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: have the answer at offensive coordinator. Obviously the line wasn't there.

944
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 2: But if we're talking about a flex team, the hay

945
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: Sexy team, now, the hay Sexy team needs to be

946
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: the one that beats Vanderbilt, right, the hay Sexy team

947
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: needs to be the one that has it lined up.

948
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 2: So those winnable games come at home and they win

949
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 2: those games. I think they had South Carolina and Lexington

950
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: last year when South Carolina was a little bit topsy

951
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: turvy and lost that game. I don't know if you're

952
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: looking at the schedule right now, but that to me

953
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: with Kentucky is they weren't able to do it last

954
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: year when the pitch was coming in looking like a watermelon.

955
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: That's the concern to me, gave up a ton two.

956
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: I think quin Shawn Judkins like a huge, big as

957
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: a game changing long touchdown run that on the margins.

958
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: They needed that crazy lucky ending against Miszoo and that's

959
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: just to get to seven and five. No, that's what

960
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: gives me floppy concern, and I stand by that's sentence.

961
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: Floppy concern. Why don't we close out? Yeah, on that

962
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: note right in soliverblegmail dot com or hit us up

963
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: on social media, let us know what we got right,

964
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: what we got wrong. The six pack of teams here,

965
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: we had three from the ACC again Wake Forest, Louisville

966
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: and Syracuse, and then we had three from other conferences.

967
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: We had Wazoo, we had Houston closing things out with

968
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: Kentucky going out to verballers dot com. That is, of

969
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: course our page where I re emphasize we're going to

970
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: be ramping things up here in a matter of days,

971
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: So make sure you stop on over and get familiar

972
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: with that website. We would encourage you to join now

973
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: be a certified or premium for baller because we've got

974
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: a lot of fun and exciting things come into that channel. Also,

975
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: make sure you follow along on social media and hit

976
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: subscribe over on YouTube where we post all of our

977
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: full episodes if you want to watch us. No flex

978
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: is here in front of the cameras. Yeah, but we

979
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: are too humble podcasters. It's not really what we do here.

980
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: Dan, can I close out with a series of very

981
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: short quick questions about your pool experience, my pool experience,

982
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: your flex and flop experience. Okay, would you say you're

983
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: a confident poolgoer? Yeah, not swimmer? That like shirt comes

984
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: off very social, Like do you do you find yourself

985
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: to be at home pool side.

986
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: Or in the pool? Love? Pools? Same? I love. I'm

987
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: not going to act like I'm the first guy to

988
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: take the shirt off, but but I'm not embarrassed about

989
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: taking off the shirt and getting some rays. I'm okay

990
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: with that, of course I feel I feel okay. But

991
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: you say that as like you're an in shape guy,

992
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: you've always been in it. I'm in shape, I'm not jacked.

993
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm a podcaster, so podcast you kind of

994
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: know where I where I stand in the pecking order.

995
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm okay now, will you?

996
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: So there's a few different types of pool goers. You

997
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: can just lounge. You can lounge quick dip, relounge, or

998
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: you can be like the life of the pool party

999
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: in there with like a football or a beach ball,

1000
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: doing cannonballs, doing laps, having a great time, you know,

1001
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: swim up bar if you're at like a hotel. Are

1002
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: you that type of guy that you find yourself I

1003
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: apologize for the phrasing. Are you finding yourself wet more

1004
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: often than not?

1005
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: I am?

1006
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, same same total, same page. Yeah, I don't

1007
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: understand the sitting on the side of the pool. I look,

1008
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: I love a good pool side nap or you know,

1009
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 2: chicken fingers or something. But you give me a pool,

1010
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm jumping in at earliest possible moment.

1011
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, if you got the swim up bar, that's

1012
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: to me, that's paradise. The swim up bar is paradise.

1013
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: But what Yeah, if there's a football or some sort

1014
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: of game to be played in the pool, oh it's

1015
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: the best. I've never not been part of that game. Never.

1016
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: What do you think is still in your doable repertoire?

1017
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: Obviously a cannonball. Once a cannonballer, always a cannonballer.

1018
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: Definitely do the cannonball. Yep. You still confident in your

1019
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: diving ability? No? Really, no, why not? I'd never been

1020
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: that confident in my diving ability much, just not even

1021
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: do off a board. I'm just saying, right off the

1022
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: edge of the pool, yeah, I mean, as long as

1023
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm not being judged for the level of splash, I

1024
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: can dive in.

1025
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: But it's clearly if I were to put a camera

1026
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: on you, the people watching wouldn't interpret that as like

1027
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: a semi flop.

1028
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: It's clearly a dive in. I mean, is it a

1029
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: semi flop? I'm a little concerned it would come across

1030
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: as the semi flop? Okay, Yeah? Could you do a

1031
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: handstand with no warning you think bottom of the pool?

1032
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: I could, but I wouldn't want to because I get

1033
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: water in my hair. Yea, No, that's tough. That's tough. Yeah.

1034
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: Could you do a summrsault into the pool off a

1035
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: board or off the edge? Not a full flip, but

1036
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about, like you do the

1037
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: full rotation?

1038
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could do that. That's that's I think you

1039
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: don't lose that. I think you pulled on to that.

1040
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty straightforward.

1041
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: Did you ever go to like a camp or like

1042
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: a school day thing with a pool? I don't know

1043
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: how it worse on the East coast if you ever

1044
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: we had that on the West coast. I don't know

1045
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: if you ever like went in and outdoor pool as

1046
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: part of like school pe.

1047
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: But we did. What was your stance on the high dive?

1048
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: Avoided all costs? Comfortable? Was that somewhere between crazy about

1049
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: the high dive? Hated it, hated it? Not created was

1050
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: not crazy about the high dive because it then we

1051
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: start talking about flop territory, of course, and inadvertent flops

1052
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: are very much a definitely on the table. So now

1053
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: not not not much of a high dive guy. Okay, no,

1054
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: all right, this is all good to know. This is

1055
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: all I got to get to a pool with the

1056
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: verbal or pool party, behind the scenes tie.

1057
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty aligned with you. I think I'm

1058
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: confident in my diving ability. Were you ever like a swimmer,

1059
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: like competitively.

1060
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: Not competitively, just sort of like pool side swimming races.

1061
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm the type of person that thinks he's a faster

1062
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: swimmer than he.

1063
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's the worst feeling. Yeah, when you

1064
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: swim up against somebody who's an actual swimmer and you

1065
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: are decad immediately.

1066
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: No, I feel like I'm I feel like I'm a

1067
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: much stronger swimmer than I actually am. And then I

1068
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: actually raise somebody who is, you know, better at it,

1069
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: and it's I get dusted.

1070
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: The only thing I have to add to this tie,

1071
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: because we're pretty aligned here, is I still believe Olympic

1072
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: sized pool a standard swimming pool length. I still believe

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Speaker 2: that if and when I swim the length of that

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Speaker 2: pool fully underwater on one breath, that when I come up,

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Speaker 2: people are going to be astonished. Yeah, what an athlete.

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Speaker 2: This guy must be the whole pool and nobody ever is.

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Speaker 2: But I still do it. I still do it.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever let me close out with this, Have

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Speaker 1: you ever attempted the sort of kickflip oh, you attempted poorly.

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Speaker 1: Once you stop attempting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, get water everywhere and get down the other

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Speaker 2: end of the pool and try to No.

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Speaker 1: Not for me, Not for me.

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Speaker 2: I tried swimming. I went into like an Olympic sized pool,

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Speaker 2: like a community pool last summer. I was like, everybody says,

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Speaker 2: this is a great workout.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: my workout for the day.

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Speaker 2: And I think I went four lengths, so that's back

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00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: forth back forth, and I think I needed like Olympic

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: level oxygen treatment.

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Speaker 1: Like I think I.

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Speaker 2: Was, like, of course, like eight year old girls are

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00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 2: swimming back and forth twice as fast, you know, doing

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Speaker 2: forty times as many laps as I did. I think

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Speaker 2: I was like staggering up the ladder like the guy

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Speaker 2: the triathlete and the Gatorade commercial where I'm just like

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Speaker 2: four lengths, tie, four lengths is what I had. There

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Speaker 2: is nothing more humanizing than being an out of shape

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Speaker 2: swimmer immediately with older, older people just lapping me constantly.

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Speaker 1: The dude with like the five hundred dollars goggles and

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Speaker 1: the swim cap just, oh my god. I was down.

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Speaker 2: I had I don't even think my legs stayed atop

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Speaker 2: the water. I think they got so heavy that I

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Speaker 2: was just like half doggy paddling as I was. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: real humbling experience.

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Speaker 1: Tie. If you haven't done it in a while, see

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Speaker 1: where you're at. It's not great. Let us know your

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Speaker 1: swimming aptitude in the YouTube comments. We'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: from one and all. We'll be back next week. As

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