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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two three,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, we're joined again by Dan

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Speaker 1: in Fault to take a deeper than ever look into

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Speaker 1: his hunting Beast style strategies and philosophies for public land

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Speaker 1: and heavily pressured white tail bucks. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx.

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Speaker 1: And today on the show, we have Dan in Fault

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Speaker 1: back with us on the podcast for the first time

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Speaker 1: since two thousand fourteen. And if you're not familiar with Dan,

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Speaker 1: I hope this helps change that because Dan is one

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Speaker 1: of the I think it's fair to say he is

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Speaker 1: one of the most revered and respected serious d I

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Speaker 1: because of this forum he started called The Hunting Beast,

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Speaker 1: and then many different DVDs, books, and other resources that

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Speaker 1: he's put out over over past years to help people

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Speaker 1: learn about his aggressive and mobile style of deer hunting

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Speaker 1: that seems to work particularly well for people that are

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Speaker 1: hunting public land or heavily pressure private lands. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Dan was actually one of our very first guests on

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Speaker 1: definitely one of our most popular guests, So I knew

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Speaker 1: over the course of this four year period since then,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dan has been featured in a lot of

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Speaker 1: different outlets, websites, YouTube channels, podcasts, let alone his own

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Speaker 1: website and all the different things that he's doing there.

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Speaker 1: So my thing was that if if we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: Dan back on again, we just had to find a

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Speaker 1: way to make sure it wasn't, you know, just another

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Speaker 1: rehash of what's already been done on all these other

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Speaker 1: podcasts and shows out there that have popped up since

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Speaker 1: we first started doing this. So here's my idea. To

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Speaker 1: get the next level conversation with Dan. I decided to

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Speaker 1: dive deeper with Dan than even I could. These two

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Speaker 1: guys have studied under Dan for years and years. They've

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Speaker 1: been longtime members of his Hunting Beast forum. They understand

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Speaker 1: Dan's hunting philosophy, is probably better than most anyone else.

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Speaker 1: They've tested his ideas for themselves in the field, and

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Speaker 1: two of my good buddies and past guests on the

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Speaker 1: the game plan. Joe, Andy and myself are going to

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Speaker 1: ask all sorts of questions of Dan in an attempt

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Speaker 1: to you know, anything, and tempt to explore ideas and

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Speaker 1: much about in the past. So the format does end

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Speaker 1: the basic elements of Dan's hunting tactics or his his

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Speaker 1: kind of style of hunting. We don't cover much of that,

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Speaker 1: So you'll want to listen to those first episodes to

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Speaker 1: get that background necessary and then come back to this

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Speaker 1: I think even even if you did listen to those

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Speaker 1: what's fresh in your mind. So with that being the case,

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Speaker 1: to the main event, we do need to pause briefly

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Speaker 1: to thank our partners at Onyx for the support of

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Speaker 1: this podcast. And you know, Onyx is the maker of

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Speaker 1: the Onyx Hunt app which is, at least from what

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Speaker 1: I've seen the most useful digital mapping app out there

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Speaker 1: this would be very useful for anyone planning a back

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Speaker 1: I'm finding on x to be a great tool, and

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Speaker 1: if you'd like to learn more about it yourself, you

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Speaker 1: can visit onyx maps dot com or search for onyx

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Speaker 1: that's O n X on your phone's app store. And

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Speaker 1: now let's get to the show with Joe, Andy and Dan.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I've now have with me three more folks

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Speaker 1: actual guest though, is Dan in Fall. So welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show. Dan. It's been a little while. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of my my idea for this this chat.

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Speaker 1: was just like, you know, Dan, what is beast style hunting?

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Speaker 1: of them out of just sheer determination, What will this

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the outside world change at all? Enforced

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Speaker 1: lot of guys who hunt weekends, and so much changes

432
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: in the woods and the patterns changed so much in

433
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: a week that it's hard to keep up if you're

434
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 1: not out there a lot. I still hunt, you know,

435
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: four or five times a week, but to me, that's

436
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: a lot less than I used to. Uh, you know,

437
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: I think one of the big things is to not

438
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 1: overlook the properties near your house. I kill a lot

439
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: of big bucks on property that's really over pressured. That's

440
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: convenient because I don't have two hours to go run

441
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: to the great property, but I got, you know, thirty

442
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: minutes after work to run down the street and hunt

443
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: the public swamp where everybody else's h So, you know,

444
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 1: just learning that property and getting out and getting chances

445
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 1: because I have more time to hunt that. I kill

446
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: a lot of bucks in hard situations just because I'm

447
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,479
Speaker 1: out there, you know, And and I push it. So

448
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, to find stuff near your home,

449
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: near your work, like where you can get out of

450
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: work and go straight out on a day that maybe

451
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: your family's off doing something or whatever. You can get

452
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: out more that way on page you normally wouldn't. I

453
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: think that helps a lot. And Andy, would you add

454
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: anything since I've mentioned that you're kind of in that

455
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: spot a little bit too. Yeah. No, that's uh, that's

456
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: exactly what I do. Dan. We've got some stuff close

457
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: to home and work that it certainly isn't what I

458
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: would consider good quality, but I know it intimately. And um,

459
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, when a big buck shows up, which isn't

460
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: all that often, but you know, when they do, they're

461
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: you know, you usually have a pretty good idea on

462
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: how to hunt them and a good chance of getting him.

463
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: But other than that, I would just say, you know,

464
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: just really you know, when you when you kind of

465
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: settle it in some areas, UM, if you can't put

466
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: a lot of time in hunting, make sure you put

467
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: in as much time at possible scouting. Um. And I

468
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: know Dan believes in this too, but uh, you know

469
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: I scout way more than the actual hunts that I get,

470
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: So I try to intimately learn the areas, uh to

471
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: the point where I just they're almost they almost feel

472
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: like home to me. You know. If there's um, you know,

473
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: there's I know every betting area, and I know every

474
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: water source and um, every fruit bearing tree and you know,

475
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: just kind of all that kind of stuff, and then

476
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, build on that with hunting experiences and keep notes.

477
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: Um you know, uh, you know, tendencies and times of

478
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: year when things seem to be better, and just kind

479
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: of accumulate all that and that you can really kind

480
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: of increase your efficiency with uh you know, with that knowledge.

481
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: You bring up a really good point because knowing that

482
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: knowing the area intimately is really important because if you

483
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: don't scout in the onetime, if you don't take that time,

484
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: you get to really learn that prob pretty and you're

485
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: going out to trying to figure it out. I mean,

486
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: good luck. When you're on ten days a year or

487
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: twenty days a year, you're gonna you're gonna struggle. Um,

488
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: Like Andy says, I mean, I go into a three

489
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: thousand acre property behind my house here, I know where

490
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: every bedtonary is. So if once there, I know where

491
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna be. So as I have to find sign

492
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: up a buck and go okay, he's in one of

493
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: these you know, three or four bettering areas and then

494
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: hunt him down. Um. But if you can't, if you

495
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: because you're time's limited, don't scout in spring and don't

496
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: scout during the season, you're in for a long, hard hunt.

497
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: That's a lot of guys think they find a vetinary

498
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: or something too, and then they bank on it. You know.

499
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: You see a lot of these new guys get really

500
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: excited when they find a good bedtry. And I think

501
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: Andy joking, I relate to this. You find some of

502
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: these vetinaries and they look so tore up, you think, oh,

503
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: this is golden Well. I can tell you from experience.

504
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: I've hunted like twenty of those last year and I

505
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: ended up coming out of it without a buck last year.

506
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: You know, on the question, I wanted to, Uh, they

507
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: somebody is really limited at your time. They get two

508
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: weeks to vocation that's been hot. How would you split

509
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 1: at the tweet and scouting and highing like you got? Um,

510
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's a good question. I mean I would

511
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: definitely want to get some spring scouting and but you

512
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: think you could get some of that done on the weekends. Um,

513
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: But if that's all I had was two weeks period

514
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: for the whole year, I think it would go into scouting. Yeah,

515
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: but you know, I go I go on trips a

516
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: lot and go to new areas and and I always

517
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: like hunting spots I've never been, and I think it's

518
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: kind of exciting to go in and learn something, to

519
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: figure it out. And when I go to those new properties,

520
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: I usually don't hunt mornings and I scout my whole

521
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: day and then I'm hunting in a spot that I

522
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: scouted that day whatever was best, And that way I'm

523
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: not you know, I don't wait till deer walk through

524
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: and smells I've been there. But I'm going to the

525
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: outskirts of what looks like betting to me. That's been

526
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: real good to me going in hunting in that manner

527
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: scout hunting, you know, can can you elaborate on what

528
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: that actually looks like? Then during that that new property process,

529
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: what's the actual scouting process during that period when you're

530
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: actually gonna go hunt that day, Well, I'm trying to

531
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: figure out what I think is betting. I mean a little.

532
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: It's gonna be looking at maps, um you know, aerials,

533
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: um if it's swamp or flat ground and you know

534
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: on the top as if it's hilly or both, and uh,

535
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go out and actually look and see

536
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: what's got the cover that all old deer and such.

537
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: And then I'm not going to go to where I

538
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: think the betting is, but I'm gonna go to where

539
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna kind of circle it the seefter

540
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: scoop sign coming in and out and then try to

541
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: get as close fall and that sign as I can

542
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: and uh set up on it. Yeah. I saw I

543
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: saw a video that you and Mario did where you

544
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: guys were reviewing your two thousand seventeen season, and you

545
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: talked about this kind of grid style approach to hunting

546
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: a new property where you wrote the property down in

547
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: two sections and then worked your way through them. Can

548
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: you can you talk about that a little bit? Uh,

549
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: that that particular style of hunting originated uh way back

550
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: when I sudden the property and there was a really

551
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: nice buck on that property for that time frame, and

552
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: I was on all the key spot that had always

553
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: produced and never seen this book. But he's showing up

554
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: on cameras and the you know, in the fielding areas

555
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: or mass trees um right after dark. So I knew

556
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: he was in there, but I couldn't figure out where

557
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 1: he was. And I knew if it wasn't seen him,

558
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: wasn't see him in daylight. And I took that property

559
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: and and I broke it down into like ten acre squares,

560
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: and I just I was gonna hunt every square until

561
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: I got through the property. And I got towards the

562
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: hand and I and one of the spots that was

563
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: up to hunt. It was just an open wood lot,

564
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: and that thought, where are the odds? But I'm gonna

565
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: give a shot. And I went in there in that book,

566
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: got up from behind some brush the transition and came

567
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: to me and I shot it just out of the blue.

568
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was there or anything else, and

569
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: went over there. There's just a beat bet there that

570
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: I would never found because I would never thought he

571
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: betted there. So then I started to figure out that

572
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you just can't see it. And if

573
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: you break that property down and grid it like that

574
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: and go in and force yourself to hunt a new

575
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: section each time, um, you can find those bucks that

576
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: are on that property pretty quick. Do you think I'm

577
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: waiting for that that buck to come to you? You're

578
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: going to him. And then by doing the tenant or

579
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: um area and in the best spot, even if he's

580
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: not in the best spot, you're probably gonna see your

581
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: hearer sent them if you're in that area and he's

582
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, so so when is that kind of

583
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: approach better than the approach that you mentioned before where

584
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: you scout during the day for specific sign looking for

585
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: a certain things. You saw a map and then hunted

586
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: that or do those two things go hand in hand sometimes?

587
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: Well they can, they kind of go hand and in

588
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: but you know, I think my first approach is to

589
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: go in there and scout those transitions, find the sign

590
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: hummed on like like I said earlier. But sometimes I

591
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: struggled with a certain book after a certain animal, and

592
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: I can't get them through those traditional memes um traditional

593
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: to me anyways, And that's when I and I decide

594
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: where I'm going and I'm finding them, um, you know,

595
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm just hunting them down basically. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense,

596
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: all right, Andy? What else is on your man? Uh?

597
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on some more some more bedding stuff. Um.

598
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: You know you've talked a lot about, um, like any

599
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: wind beds, you know, beds that are used in type

600
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: of any type of wind direction and that wind based beds.

601
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain um, like the differences um

602
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: that you see in regards to like terrain or examples

603
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: of where you might find each you know, where they

604
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: where they might be the most common. And how you

605
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: are what which one do you think are the most

606
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: effective to target? Uh, I don't I don't know about

607
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: one being more effective than the other to target. But UM,

608
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: the eating wind beds are usually the easiest to hunt

609
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: because you can get the closest because it's UM. They're

610
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: usually not site based UM. But you can tell the

611
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: difference between these beds. I think it's a good topic

612
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: because we haven't really talked about this a lot in

613
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: like podcasts or anything. But when you look at a

614
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: buck bed, it's different than a dough bed because the

615
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: dose like bed net circle that open area. A buck

616
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: puts his puts himself, you know, in cover, and he's

617
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: worried about himself. So when you look at that bed,

618
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: you're thinking, you know, um, this animal is here so

619
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: that you can't get near him instead of working as

620
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: that group. And if you've got a buck who puts

621
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: his back up against something and he's got an open

622
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: view the other way, I guarantee that winds coming from

623
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: the obstacle and he's looking down winding it open. So

624
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: you can see those UM wind based betting by looking

625
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: for the opening. You know, if you look in hill

626
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: countries really, um the big one for for that wind

627
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: based And if you look at those beds, you can

628
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: you can see how they put themselves up against a

629
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: tree or behind the tree, and they looked down the hill,

630
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, with the wind to the back. Um, you

631
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: see the same thing. And you know, like a farm country,

632
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: they'll get up on the edge of a field in

633
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: bed you know, just ten twenty ft into the cover,

634
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: but where they can kind of see out into the

635
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: field or see down a lane into that field. Uh,

636
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: they'll have that wind to their back. So they're on

637
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: those um those tree lines looking at the field with

638
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: the wind to the back. And you know, just a

639
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: guy that hunts farm if he if he knows that much,

640
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to hunt the way the wind hunt.

641
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: But if you know those box are going to bed

642
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: on the side that's got the wind coming out of

643
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: the woods, he does not have to walk into their

644
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: to their eyesight, you know what I mean. Yeah, on

645
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: the topic of terrain, do you see any wind beds

646
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: uh that you know, beds with any wind you uh

647
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: more common contest on this, but you seem more common

648
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: in third terrain like swamps. Yeah, swamps and marshes have

649
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: more the wind based and non won based beds are

650
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: in every train, but the majority of non wind beds

651
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: that are good for big bucks are in marshes and swamps,

652
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: or the majority of wind based beds are in hill country,

653
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: more foreign country and edges. How about when you find

654
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: beds down low wind hill country? Do you find those

655
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: to be more often? Win any wind? That? Where do

656
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: you find them to be more commonly? I know, usually

657
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: it depends on the cover. If they're in heavy grass

658
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: heavy brush, UM, and they don't have a good view,

659
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: then they're usually any wind. If they're betting on edge

660
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: looking towards old with thick the back or something to

661
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: the back, then there in the wind based and you

662
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: have to go out there just look at it. I

663
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: mean those low areas, you know, it's all hard to

664
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: set up. Yeah, that's that's something I've just wondered. Uh,

665
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: when occasionally I run into deer downlow in the hills,

666
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: UM less likely to be associated when you're not. It's

667
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: a big one in U In big woods too, you

668
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: got where you have those old clear cuts that grow thick.

669
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: Those big box are usually on the down wind edge

670
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: to the open woods and they'll look into the open

671
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: woods from the edge of that where guys think that

672
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: they're in the middle of that thick area, they're usually not.

673
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: So you're saying that there they've got the wind blowing

674
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: from the thick behind their back and they're watching the

675
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: open woods in front of them right right, and some

676
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: steps into that open woods, they just slide into the thick.

677
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: If they smell something or here's something in that thick

678
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: coming at them, they go out. And then they also,

679
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: like on that big woods, if there's a terrain feature

680
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: along that edge is not just a straight long like

681
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: just one spot where they got a little point of

682
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: the thick stuff going out, they'll get on on that

683
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: point so they can see all the way around the

684
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: point and smell from behind, just like in Hill Country,

685
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: only it's flat. Yeah. Yeah, So speaking of these different

686
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: types of betting areas, right in past episodes we've done

687
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: with you, and then on your past DVD s you've

688
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: had the Hill Country DVD is talking a lot about

689
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: the different types of betting situations. There. You've got the

690
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: Martian Swamp betting areas that we've talked about a lot

691
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: in the past. We've got a new DVD coming out

692
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: about farmland hunting. Um, can you talk specifically about that?

693
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: What types of things? And you alluded to a few

694
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: things already, but is there anything else when it comes

695
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: to hunting farmland as far as how you think about

696
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: their betting, how you hunt to that related to that

697
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: betting in this specific farm situations. Sure, and I'll give

698
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: you my taking. I'd like to hear handies on it

699
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: because I don't know any scott little experience there um

700
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: and Joe Joe comes from farm farm area to um.

701
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: But one of the big things I think people misunderstandable

702
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: farm country is I've learned a lot of it, and

703
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: it's pretty rare. I find a big buck in the

704
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: big wood lot in the middle of the farm. The

705
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: big box usually are on the tree lines. I'm a

706
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: little brush off to the side. They're out in more

707
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: of the open areas, in the thick spot that's being overlooked.

708
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: It's not too often I see him in that big block.

709
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: If I do seem in that big block, it's that

710
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: downwind side on the downwind end of that block. So

711
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: as you see, yeah, I do see that quite a bit. Um.

712
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: It's like where I hunt uh in Michigan. I'd say

713
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good mix of timber and farm land.

714
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: We do got quite a bit of cover and there's

715
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, you got your marshes and your slamp stuff.

716
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: But when I where I'm in uh northern Ohio is

717
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: like craft fields with little tiny woodlots, and they bed

718
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: uh exactly how Dan says. Um. You know usually if

719
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: they if they are in them, um a wood lot,

720
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: they'll they'll bed right on the edge kind of facing

721
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: the open ground. Um. And for a lot of years, UM,

722
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: I would get busted because that's you kind of put

723
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: the wind in your face and you kind of try

724
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: to sneak into this little wood lot you know that

725
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: you think are holding all this deer and there you know,

726
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: the what I would find after scouting is there be

727
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: beds right just inside the wood lot, you know before

728
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: right on the edge of where it kind of you

729
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: start to get some um some understory of facing the

730
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: field that I was actually accessing from. And then I

731
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: also find them in like the edges of hedgerows, like

732
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: right right at the chip, or like the little drainage um,

733
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: you know, the little drainage ditches. You know, a whole

734
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of water. They'll be like little curves

735
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: or little angles and those, and there'll be beds there where,

736
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the the combine can't quite hit, you know,

737
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: right on the edge, so you get these little pockets

738
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: the cover and what's that doesn't need to be true.

739
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: They don't need to be true either mentioned that. No, no,

740
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: not right, not at all. Right, But you watch all

741
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: the honors go straight with lives. You know. Another thing

742
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: I've noticed on those farms too, is when they have

743
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: one access and those hunter is always parking the same spot.

744
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest stuff I find is usually set

745
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: up to watch that access. How long do you think

746
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: that takes for local bucks to kind of figure that

747
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: out and start adjusting their betting to watch that? Is

748
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: that something that can happen like right now? I don't

749
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: know now long it takes. Um so the time when

750
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: I run into it, it's it's already been a prolonged thing,

751
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: you know. Um. I can't think of any place where

752
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm the one who started hunting their first on the farm.

753
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: Most of the farms I've been on her shared access.

754
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: But I go scout properties a lot for people. And

755
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: that's one thing I look for right away is those

756
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: bucks that are in that little forgotten spot watching their

757
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: access and that's usually where I find the biggest stuns. Joe,

758
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: you didn't get to share your thoughts on on your

759
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: farm country bedding observations. What would you say there? Yeah,

760
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: I agree entirely. Sam hunt everything from like ten or

761
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: cover up to Iowa. So, um, you know, in the

762
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: areas where covered limited. For one, there's a huge change

763
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: when the crops come out. I would point out that,

764
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: and everybody kind of knows that. But you go from

765
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: a hundred percent cover down to ten you know, um

766
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: when the corn is picked. But still those small areas,

767
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, if the grahasses, you know, eight tall, you

768
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: might find a deer bed in there, and might find

769
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: a pick buck beded in there, you know, and especially

770
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: the higher the pressure is, the less likely they are

771
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: going to bed anywhere there's trees, you know, it's a

772
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: little you'll find a beded on graph terraces and then

773
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: you know, drainage sales if the graphs is a tall

774
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: enough couple weeds or whatever. Um on the ends of

775
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: Little Senior September far more like Pla. Then the larger

776
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: degree and another question for dan Um, how do you

777
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: see frequency of using beds change and farm country do

778
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: you see for you know, my observation is there seems

779
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: to be more satellite beds less you know, heavily used

780
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: primary beds. Bucks might be a little more nomadic. I

781
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: am not saying they don't have core its and core

782
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: betting areas. They definitely do, but I'm just curious what

783
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: your observation has been. I see a lot of core

784
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: bed and areas, just like I doing other trains. Um,

785
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: it's a little more nomadic, like you said, but what

786
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I see is they don't wear those beds in because

787
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: they shift around a lot. I think they shift around

788
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot, and based on the exact wind um. For example,

789
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: there's a little farmed on the street that I lunched

790
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: over here my buddy Dave bones. It gets heavy pressure

791
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: all the way around it, but there's one spot where

792
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: the bucks that we've killed there come out of. It's

793
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: obviously the primary betting and no matter what time of

794
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: the year when we see bucks, that's generally where he

795
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: come out at of the time. And you go in

796
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: here and for some of it doesn't have an eye

797
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: for it, you'd have a hard time seeing those beds

798
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: and the area is probably in two acres in size,

799
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: and it's a low density area, but you'd have a

800
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: hard time notice in those beds. I mean you going

801
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: there in the snow, you find them because you see

802
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: exactly where they laid. But I think they're moving a

803
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: lot based on you know, the thermal and the wind

804
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: and stuff. I don't think you're in the same bed

805
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: all day. You know where if you get into steep

806
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: hill country, you find those warm beds and you think

807
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: you've gotta made when it might not be used anymore

808
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: than the ones in farm country. Is just that explaining

809
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: in that exact same spot because of the wind and

810
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: thermal need at that spot all day long, So he's

811
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: not shifting around. Um So I think a lot of

812
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: times it just looks like it's not being used as much.

813
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: But I do see in farm country it's a lot

814
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: harder to see the bedding areas, or in any black

815
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: ground for that matter, unless it's like swamp or cattails,

816
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: then you see it better. But any flagground, like like

817
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: big woods or farm country, it's really hard to find

818
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: those worn in bits. Yeah, that's that's that's interesting to

819
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: say that because I hunted a farm once. I don't

820
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: hunt anymore, but for a number of years it was

821
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: like a two hundred acre farm and maybe eating fifteen

822
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: acres a cover total. And of the box that I

823
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: all the bucks that I saw at least three years

824
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: of old age. They came out of the top of

825
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: a skinny draw that was there was at an old

826
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: farm pond there. Damn had washed out so they retained

827
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: water anymore. And I grew up in brush, although deer

828
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: betted on the peril, you know, on the whold banks

829
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: of that pond, depending on the wind direction, and it

830
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: was only you know, maybe an acre in size, and

831
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: every stinking decent bucks that I saw on that two

832
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: hundred acres came out of that location. It was always amazing,

833
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: and you couldn't help find bet there. There was a

834
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: bunch of real life to youth bed but you add

835
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: up all the real life bets and there was a

836
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: lot of youth. Is there is there anything specific, Dan

837
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: that you were that that helps you or someone if

838
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: someone's listening who doesn't have the eye for when they're

839
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: looking for these beds in the farm country, that it's

840
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: not quite as obvious as there might be in hill countries,

841
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: anything they can be looking for to help find those

842
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: hard to find spots, you know, the biggest thing in

843
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: hill country, and it's hard to get the serve of

844
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: guys that don't have a lot of hunting time. But

845
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: it's observation. Um, I don't hunt as much as I

846
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: observe and farm. I'll sit back and watch and the

847
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: deer get more used to coming out earlier, and you

848
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: see what's going on, and you're not damaging the property

849
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: by jumping in here and spooking everything out. You see

850
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: what's going on. So you know, you're watching area expecting

851
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: the bok to come out, and all of a sudden

852
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: you see him from out somewhere's else and now you're like, oh,

853
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: if I would have went in her, how to spook them?

854
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: But in foreign country, I think a lot of it's

855
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: observing and it's uh, you know, watching from a distance

856
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: and then moving in with us to right. And that's

857
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: an too because I think, uh, you know, when I

858
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: actually see a buck make a move and I make

859
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: a move on him, I think it's a one in

860
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: four chance I get an opportunity at him by moving

861
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: in the next day, But it wasn't four odds ain't bad. Yeah,

862
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing. That example that I talked

863
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: about earlier, that is, you know that that far the

864
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: oldly reason like that was good ten years ago, and

865
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a very good understanding of betting whatsoever.

866
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: The only reason I knew was a betting area was

867
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: watching the deer come out of it, because I was

868
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: set up in other places, and I'll shoot the buck

869
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: came out of that. I might not be real fast owner,

870
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: but that's very It's all that a time or two,

871
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, it was clearly there bet in there nowhere else.

872
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: I gotta follow up question for dan Um kind of

873
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: in regards to the farm betting Um. One of the

874
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: things I struggle with and like my more open areas,

875
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: I guess is you know, for instance, there's this one piece,

876
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: uh well, there's a couple of pieces I'm thinking about,

877
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: but one in general is has very little has a

878
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: real tiny wood lot, and you know, the big bucks

879
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: don't really bed in there at all. But it's got

880
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: some hedgerows coming off and a little drainage dish that

881
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: comes off that's has real tall, kind of overgrown grass

882
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: along it, and if you walk the whole piece, you

883
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: walked every edge, you'll find I don't know, maybe six

884
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: buck beds, and you know, I have my my thoughts

885
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: on which ones are the best because they're the most

886
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: worn and and just kind of make the most sense.

887
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: But then there, you know, all these other ones that

888
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: you might call satellite beds or they're less used. Do

889
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: you what what do you do with those? Because I

890
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: find like more times than not, like okay, I glass

891
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: a buck, or I get a picture of a book

892
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: on this property, I'm like, okay, you know, here's the wind,

893
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: this is where I think he's gonna be, and you know,

894
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm speaking into that bed, and it seems like more

895
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: times than not, I get busted by a deer that's

896
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: in one of these satellite beds that I kind of help, um,

897
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, at a lower value, but they're still getting used.

898
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, do you systematically kind of hunt those as well,

899
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: or do you go right or the one that you know?

900
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want the satellite, but if I

901
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: know it's satellite betting and there's smaller books being in

902
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: those spots, I don't worry about them. I try not

903
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: to spook them. If there's a way I can get

904
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: into without spooking, I do it. But if I have

905
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: to spook, my spook them. And one thing I do

906
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: is I go in early. Um. I think if you

907
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: spook younger deer early in today the book is less

908
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: likely to get up and run off. If it's more

909
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: towards the evening, when he's more alert and getting up anyways,

910
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: I think he's more likely to get the bust out

911
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: of there. And uh, there's some credits to that in

912
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: my observations too, So I think that's working. Um. But

913
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: I've kicked up plenty of deer where they've ran right

914
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: through the bed arry and you think, damn it, you know,

915
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: and I set up anyways, and I've had the big

916
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: buck get up right where that bucket run through and

917
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: come to me. But I've also had times when you

918
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I've seen them run through there in the in the

919
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: big buck get up and run with them. So it's

920
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: not what you want to do, um, but you might

921
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: have to. You don't kick a deer or two to

922
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: get in there. It's just part of it. Mm hmmm. Um.

923
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on this too. So

924
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: I founded both and I've seen some pretty significant differences

925
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: between the two, but really high deer density areas versus

926
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: really low deer density areas. So my open area that

927
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: I hunt is really low, low deer density, UM, not

928
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: much cover for deer, very low numbers. You'll get skunks

929
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: nine out of ten times. But when you do see

930
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: a you know, a buckets typically a good one. But

931
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: what I what I see is as much later movement.

932
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm talking about outside the rut here. So let's talk

933
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: about like, you know, kind of early season through mid October,

934
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: but I see much later movement, um, you know, with

935
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: the lower deer density. UM. Kind of really okay, you're

936
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: seeing the higher density, and I was like, I'm seeing

937
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: the opposite. I'm seeing the same thing you're seeing. Okay, yeah,

938
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: and the high deer density is what I'm seeing is

939
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 1: much earlier movement, even by the mature deer. But what

940
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: it makes it this cult is all the influx of

941
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: other deer that are moving by you or past you,

942
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: are all around you, and then it's like you spook

943
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: one of them. It's like a domino effect, you know,

944
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: and it just kind of sets and it just kind

945
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: of sets them all off, and they all end up

946
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: running back. So I find difficulty in both situations. But

947
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: is that kind of like what you see too? Yeah,

948
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: I see that a lot too. Uh, I do see

949
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: that like Uh. I think it's maybe the younger deer

950
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: getting moving around to get the bigger books up with

951
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: the higher density. Even outside of the road, you seem

952
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: to get the bigger buck movement earlier. Um. Yeah. And

953
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: for me, I think if I think back my my

954
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: younger days, I had a lot of problems with those

955
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: deer coming and spooking um, the early arrivals and spooking

956
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: the buck on me. It doesn't happen as much anymore.

957
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: And I think it's because I'm setting up better and

958
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: wiser and h taking into effect. You know, when I

959
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: go in an area and I look to set up,

960
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: I'm really easing in there. And most of the time

961
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't have a set tree. You know, there's a

962
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: there's some occasions where there's one tree you gotta be

963
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: and we all know that. WHI there's a lot of

964
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: places where there's several trees you'd be in and I'm

965
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: basing it on that the exact wind that day, or

966
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, or where I think the thermal is gonna

967
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: pull or that kind of thing something without walking on

968
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: the trails and stuff, and I get busted a lot

969
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: less by those uh other deer coming through. It still happens,

970
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: and uh sometimes it's just down right hard to get

971
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: in without spooking the younger deer. But on the other hand,

972
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: even the spots that are really difficult, I think if

973
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: you're after a certain animal, I think you've gotta go

974
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: and hunt those spots or that big buckle just smull

975
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: up in there and you'll never go you know what

976
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean, You have to you have to throw all

977
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: stand up. I heard you talk in in in some

978
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: review video I think maybe was that same video I

979
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier you were talking about how, at least in

980
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: this situation you were mentioning how you don't like to

981
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: do the systematic you know, okay hunting here today and

982
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: then get a little bit closer the next time, a

983
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: little bit closer, the next time, a little bit closer

984
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: the next time. You mentioned how you prefer to either

985
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: observe from far back or just go right right for

986
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the kill. Um, is that is that right? And then

987
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: can you can you elaborate on that a little bit?

988
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: I think that's to relate to what we're talking about

989
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: here a little bit. Yeah, I I totally agree with that. UM.

990
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: I think if you kind of um uh as people say,

991
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: hunt your way in. UM. If you if you do

992
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: that on a buck bed and you you know, you

993
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: spot and then you move up a hundred yards or something,

994
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: it's like to me part of my friends was slapping

995
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: him on the ass and saying, game on. You know,

996
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: you tell them you're hunting them. UM. I used the

997
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: term hunt my way in. I probably should refrain from

998
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: saying in that, but I'm certain areas that are narrow

999
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: sometimes I hunt my way in, but I'm hunt a

1000
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: different binary every day. You know what I mean? To

1001
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: hunt warm bedinry and to ease your way in. I

1002
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: think you're telling them you're hunting umber. And one thing

1003
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: about a mature buck. If you want to kill him,

1004
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: you want to catch him by sure, in utter surprise.

1005
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: You don't want him to know he's being hunted, or

1006
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: he'll become real nocturnal, real cagey, and real hard to kill.

1007
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes sense. Yeah, Dan, I got

1008
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: a question for you, UM related to difficulty of hunting. UM,

1009
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: do you find um, which of these two situations. Do

1010
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: you find harder to hunt small private parcels that might

1011
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: have a few more mature bucks running around, or large

1012
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: public parcels with you know, less good bucks, more hunting,

1013
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: fresh air, but a lot more room to maneuver. Well, well,

1014
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: obviously there's a lot of cash. Twenty two is to

1015
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: that question. But I guess generally, generally, I would say

1016
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: the bigger property, um, because I can hunt that animal

1017
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 1: down without the worry of kicking him off the property. Um.

1018
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: I've got information on like like those like those suburban

1019
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: areas where you got five acres or something. It's like, really,

1020
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: you got one spot you can hunt? You don't to me,

1021
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: that's one hunt, you know. Um, But those bigger properties, um,

1022
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: you know that the property by me, I mean it's uh,

1023
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: the one right behind my house is like I think

1024
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: it's close to three thousand acres of swamp and I

1025
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: can probably near a dunt of twelve spots that a

1026
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: giant bucklebean, if he's in the swamp, he'll be one

1027
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: of those twelve spots. Um. There's a lot more better

1028
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: areas than that. But the mature box seem to take

1029
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: these core, you know, primary areas over and uh, you know,

1030
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, then you can can't hunt down here. If

1031
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: I got a spot, I can't hunt. I can't get

1032
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: in here and kill that deer. I mean it's just

1033
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: two and possibly can't get by a quiet you know

1034
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: you've got a bulletproof set up. I'll just go into

1035
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 1: walk in your and kick him out and then hold

1036
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: them in one of the other spots. Um, I'll walk

1037
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: through there to three days in rows so he doesn't

1038
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: want to bed there. Um. But you can't do that

1039
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: in the small properties. You really got to act, you know,

1040
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: light footed and go and you know at the right time.

1041
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: I think it's really about timing if you've got a

1042
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: small property. Yeah, okay, hey Dan, Um, So you've talked

1043
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: about you know, obviously you're focus and I guess all

1044
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: of our focus we all would you know, ideally want

1045
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: to kill that five and six year old bucks. But

1046
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: there's times, you know, in places maybe where we lower

1047
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: our standards a little bit, at least I know I do.

1048
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: And you've talked about it, Um, can you share some

1049
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: of those places or times where you know it might

1050
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: be a situation where you lower your standards a little bit? Um?

1051
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: And why you why you might do that. Well, I

1052
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: do them public land a little bit, especially if I

1053
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: if I don't have any leaves on something really big.

1054
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm on something big, I'm not shooting

1055
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: nothing little. Um. But um, you know, um, I've killed

1056
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: two year old bucks out here that are and uh,

1057
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: that's a big buck to most people. You know. Um,

1058
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: And it's nice to me. But I see a lot

1059
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: of people. I'm changing your question a little here, but

1060
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people. You know, they want

1061
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: to kill a deer. They want to be a big

1062
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: buck hunter, but they want to kill a deer so

1063
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: to get into these bad habits of hunting deer. And

1064
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: for me, no matter what your what your standard is,

1065
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: you've got to target mature bucks in order to kill

1066
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: mature bucks. I mean, you can target little bucks and

1067
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: you'll kill little bucks, but you're can killing big bucks.

1068
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: Targeting little bucks you have to get lucky. But you

1069
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: can hut big bucks and still get a little I

1070
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: don't mean little, but I mean you know, like a

1071
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: nice two year old or three year old. You can

1072
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: get those by you know, hunting dollars. But you're not

1073
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: gonna kill ma sture bucks unless you hunt the sure,

1074
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: bucks just a different animal. Yeah right, yeah, and that

1075
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good question. The um, they

1076
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: you got this younger, newer hunter who wants to do that,

1077
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: but they don't have necessarily many year under their belt

1078
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: at all. At what point is there any advice you

1079
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: can give them? How do they know when they're ready to,

1080
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, go after a big buck versus I mean, yeah,

1081
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: it's all well and good to hold out their big buck,

1082
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: but if they're easy tag soup every year and not

1083
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: getting any experience making the kill, which we all know

1084
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: is really important. You know, I would ever tell somebody

1085
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: how to hunt or what to do or how they

1086
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: should be. But I would recommend that young hunters that

1087
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: want to be good buck hunters don't pass your biggest

1088
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: book because you see that a little bit. You don't

1089
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: where guys a little buck goal because they think they

1090
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: got to do better because your friends are doing better

1091
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: or something. If your biggest buck, I'd never I'd never

1092
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: recommend somebody let that go. You gotta get some killing

1093
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: under your belt in order to be a good hunter.

1094
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: And I've noticed that a lot of the newer generations

1095
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: starting out nowadays. Uh, um, they're trying to hold out

1096
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: for big bucks, and they're talking like they're big buck

1097
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: hunters before they're killing anything, and I think they're missing

1098
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: out on a lot of the hunting. I mean, all

1099
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: the guys I know that are great hunters, and you

1100
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: can time to come wrong with you guys, Joe and Andy,

1101
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: but all the guys I know that are great hunters

1102
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: like us. And I don't know where you started, but

1103
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: you probably started like I did, telling a lot of deer.

1104
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: That's what made us who we are, and then we

1105
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: started slowly adapting into the big box. And I think

1106
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: these younger people want to start out right away killing

1107
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: big bucks. And you've gotta learn how to kill animals

1108
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: and what to do when the deer walks by, and

1109
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: how to act win to pull a ball, and all

1110
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: that stuff that you really can't learn reading about we're

1111
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: hearing about you have to go do and trying to

1112
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: learn how to kill a big buck is not only

1113
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: standing underneath your spand yeah, yeah, that's definitely. I mean

1114
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: my first buck with another and then I shot a

1115
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: four core, and you know, and then I shot a

1116
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: couple more little bucks, and then I shot four or

1117
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: five two year old and you know, it was a

1118
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: while before you know, and and the you know, i'nfortunate

1119
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: to live in a state you know, in Iowa that

1120
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: you know most how dream about and the most the

1121
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: bast I don't know. The first gunman, Big Bucks that

1122
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: I saw, I didn't have a chance in hell killing him.

1123
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: You know, I was a rap. All right. We need

1124
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: to take another quick break here, this time to think

1125
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: our partners at White Tailed Properties, and today I want

1126
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: to plug another one of their land Beat YouTube videos

1127
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: that I think many of you are going to find helpful.

1128
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: This one similar to the last video I mentioned a

1129
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, which features again my friend Ben

1130
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: Harshein discussing habitat and terrain funnels. And again here he

1131
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: uses maps and drone footage and on the ground tour

1132
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: to help you see exactly what these pinch points look like.

1133
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: So he just describes a different couple examples in this

1134
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,479
Speaker 1: video which help out in addition to what he shared

1135
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: in the last one. This episode is titled identifying Funnels

1136
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: on the Map using maps to scout and find great

1137
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: stand locations. Definitely recommend checking this one out. It's a

1138
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: great visualization to help you understand how to identify these

1139
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: types of locations that can be so dynamite during the run.

1140
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: And just to reiterate, you can find these on the

1141
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: white Tail Properties YouTube channel within their land beat video series,

1142
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: and if you want to learn more about white Tail

1143
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: Properties in general, you can visit white Tail properties dot com.

1144
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: Speaking speaking of speaking of newer hunters, um and some

1145
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: of the mistakes or some of the things we're seeing

1146
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: them do. What about this, Dan, I imagine you've seen

1147
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people come through the Hunting Beast forum

1148
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: and read about what you guys are doing and start

1149
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: trying it themselves, and they're sharing their experiences on the

1150
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: forum talking about their and see after you year, when

1151
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: you read about all the other guys that are trying

1152
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: to hunt this kind of quote unquote beast style, what's

1153
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: the what's the biggest mistake or what do you still

1154
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: see these people doing wrong? Um? Time after time. I

1155
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: think they think it's too easy. I think they think

1156
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna go out there, learn to sing in a

1157
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: season and start killing huge books instantly, like they're reading

1158
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: a manual on how to do it. UM. I think

1159
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: usually if I watched the readers are watched the guys

1160
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: that come onto the Beast, you see probably maybe more

1161
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: than maybe seventy five percent of them stick around for

1162
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: about a year and you don't hear from again. The

1163
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: ones that stick around, you don't really see that success

1164
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: until they've been doing it about three years. And you

1165
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: always see a cocky, arrogant attitude that they're gonna kill

1166
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: these books, that they they found these great bed in

1167
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: areas and they're gonna go out and do it that

1168
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: first year and they've gotta get slapped in the face

1169
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: and and learn that it takes a little more and

1170
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: find it one or two good bed in areas to

1171
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: do it, and they gotta get pumbled and then come

1172
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: back up, rise up, and try hard and not give up.

1173
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: And I see these guys, um just you can withstand

1174
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: that first to or three years. They get to be

1175
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: great hunters after that. Well, you guys think you guys

1176
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: are watching the guys in the Beast. Yeah, i'd have

1177
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: to I'd have to agree. It's a um you know,

1178
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: any time any time you're killing deer, like by focusing

1179
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: on their beds and zeering down on your on their

1180
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: bedding area. Yeah, like you mentioned in in some of

1181
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: your earlier DVDs, Like you gotta put in so much

1182
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: time scouting and find so many of the type of

1183
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: beds and the type of set ups and situations that

1184
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: you're looking for that you're trying to fill a whole

1185
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: season with um. So like you know, you can't. You

1186
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: can't go and and scout and find four beds and

1187
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, think you're gonna knock down couple of big

1188
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: ones next year. I mean you literally, I think you

1189
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: you've you you mentioned that you have more beds that

1190
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: you've scouted. You know that you could probably hunt in

1191
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. But you know, it's it

1192
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: takes a lot of work to kind of build up

1193
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: that that library of setups and places where you can

1194
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of fall back on as you you know, like

1195
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: you said, you you hunt and you you don't see anything.

1196
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: You know, you hunt, you know, maybe a seven or

1197
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: eight days straight without seeing a single deer, but you

1198
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: all saw you always have that next spot to kind

1199
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: of fall back on due to your scouting and the

1200
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: amount of time and work you put in. So it's

1201
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: not for the faint of heart, and it's not for

1202
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: the type of person that uh you know is it

1203
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: is not ready to kind of commit um commit to it.

1204
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think guys that maybe can't

1205
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: put in as much time can still find some value

1206
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: um in the in that type of hunting, because you

1207
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: know they might have some some you know, promising setups

1208
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: and betting areas in areas that they hunt that they

1209
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: could focus on. But if you're gonna be a consistent

1210
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: hunter focusing on buck betting, it really takes a lot

1211
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: of commitment and a lot of work in that off

1212
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: season really finding high volume, high numbers of these. At

1213
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: least for me it does, because you know, I tend

1214
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: to I screw up a lot with it, for sure,

1215
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: But you know, you keep you keep at it, You

1216
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: keep fine tuning your setup and your knowledge base. You

1217
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: just get a little bit better at it each time,

1218
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: and you kind of you kind of figure out what

1219
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: you can get away with, you know, a little, I

1220
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: get a little closer than this, right, you know that's

1221
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: a little too, you know, I need to back off

1222
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: a little. All those things come with experience, and it

1223
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: takes time. Yeah, I think, Dan, what you just what

1224
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: you described as far as an average timeline, and everybody's different,

1225
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: and ever how much time you spending on it and

1226
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: different too, but you know, three to five years. Yeah,

1227
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: it's the three to five year investment before you think,

1228
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: before you there's any chance you think you're you're kind

1229
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: of you know, you know what you're doing. I guess

1230
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: in turns of target and hunting, and but you know,

1231
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't. There's lots of times all of us can't

1232
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: figure it out. You know that there's a lot to

1233
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: to where um, maybe you guys can relate with me,

1234
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: But I can go out there and look at something

1235
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to put it in words,

1236
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 1: but I can look at them say this is gonna

1237
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: be good, or this you don't suck. But it's really

1238
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: hard to teach it to people how to look at

1239
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: something like that three or five years of investment. That's

1240
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: what it takes. You know, Like, like you get the question,

1241
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: how do you know where to set up that? You know,

1242
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: how do you answer that question? You know you can't,

1243
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: you can't. You know, you can give up some general

1244
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: rules that like you know, some place somewhere, you know

1245
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: you might not be able to get within a hundred

1246
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: yards of a bed. In another place, you might be

1247
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: able to get forty yards from it, you know, right, yeah,

1248
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: it all it all comes back to like you might

1249
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: in in you know, like Dan you said, you have

1250
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 1: trouble putting those situations into words. It's because like all

1251
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: of your experiences, you know, whether we even realize it

1252
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: or not, it's it's always like fine tuning our judgment. Right,

1253
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: So let me get into these situations where like, okay,

1254
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're almost subconsciously you know, I've been

1255
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: through this before. I've been through this situation and this

1256
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: worked and this didn't, and this was too much and

1257
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: this was just enough. And you're you're always fine tuning

1258
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: your judgment, and over time, with a lot of experience,

1259
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: you just start making the right call more often, you know,

1260
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: just almost like um, you know, without even really a

1261
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: whole lot of thought, you just feel it. You know,

1262
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: you feel it because you've been there before and you've

1263
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: made the mistakes right. And I would say that time,

1264
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, if someone doesn't have time, they don't

1265
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: have time, But don't I feel bad for the people

1266
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: that just kind of oh it takes that much time

1267
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: and they lose interest and they wander off. Is to me,

1268
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: that's the fun fire, you know, it's the journey you

1269
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: know it. Um, I don't know, maybe a large, a

1270
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: little different, but that's that's what I love is you know,

1271
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: figure and stuff out and yeah you're gonna screw up.

1272
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna start screwing out, screwing up nine percent at

1273
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: the time, and then you're only gonna screw up percent

1274
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: at the time. You know. Yeah, it's fun, you know. Um.

1275
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: I think a big part of it too is uh,

1276
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: blending what they're doing with what we're doing and not

1277
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: jumping in a because I mean, if they're already killing

1278
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: some deer and then you jump in full boat and

1279
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: they see a decline, and I think that's what pushes

1280
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people away from it. But if you

1281
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: just start learning how they bed and started putting that

1282
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: into the style you're hunting and slowly go into it,

1283
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: I think you'll have more success and it'll just take

1284
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: longer to get a full boat to where we're at.

1285
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: We talked about like, okay, beginners, most common mistakes, what's

1286
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: what's the d infalts most the mistakes, and like what

1287
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: in your opinion, I know you're you kind of said,

1288
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, maybe your skill level is kind of tapered

1289
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: off the last few years because you know, maybe the

1290
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: drive isn't quite there. But what would take Dan Infult

1291
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: to the next level? What do you what? What could

1292
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: you improve on? I think, Um, you know, I'm always

1293
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: analyzing um my haunts and uh my seasons and stuff.

1294
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: Um that's just a natural part of me. And my

1295
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: analyzation of this last season was I didn't shoot enough,

1296
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: I didn't practice enough, and I blew a lot of opportunities.

1297
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: I think I gotta focus on my practice a little more.

1298
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: I think I need to focus on scouting a little

1299
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: more for myself instead others. If I want to be

1300
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: more successful. I think I don't put the time in

1301
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: that I used to, either shooting or scouting. I think

1302
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: last year I had four or five opportunities and I

1303
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: blew every one of them. Do you have like a

1304
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: specific game plan as far as how to address that.

1305
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: Is it just quantity of practice or do you need

1306
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: to Are you changing anything else? As far as I

1307
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: am changing something up this year, Um, I'm finding that

1308
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: my judgment is getting worse. Um where I'm not judging

1309
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: my shot distance. I used to just use one pin

1310
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: in a rangelind or anything. And I'm gonna go with

1311
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: adjustable pin. This you're in a rangefinder for the first time. Okay,

1312
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: and then we're about scouting. You mentioned maybe you need

1313
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: to scout some more, and we're alluding to this a

1314
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, just about how much work it takes

1315
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: to find enough places two hunt in this kind of

1316
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: way because you're going from betting area to betting area

1317
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: and you might blow it up. Um. I think we

1318
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 1: hear that a lot, but sometimes newer people don't really

1319
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: know what that actual. You know exactly how much that is.

1320
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: So what's like the ballpark number that maybe you typically

1321
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: go into a season with Danny? Do you have like

1322
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: forty beds? Do you have two beds? I mean, what

1323
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: what should a new guy be thinking? I have no

1324
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: idea account wise. I mean, there's hundreds and thousands of

1325
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: much guess would blow the way out of the park.

1326
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: But um, it's not really about how many bed in areas.

1327
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: I know I already got that stuff down me personally.

1328
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: When I'm scouting right now, I'm looking for bucks I

1329
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: learned because I'm a low buck density area, so I

1330
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: want to know where those maketure bucks are so I

1331
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: know where to go after certain animals. So that's a

1332
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: scouting I need to personally, uh key and on. But

1333
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: for other people, I think you need to find as

1334
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: many buck betting areas as you can and have set

1335
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: ups on them, and then you know, you need to

1336
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: monitor those areas and see when there's a buccan area

1337
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: to go in to hunt. I mean we rubb lines

1338
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: open up when you when you see one out of

1339
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: a window that you know the area. Okay, if I'm

1340
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: seeing a buck here, you know, and it's a month

1341
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: season and I'm seeing him in a field just before dark,

1342
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: where is he coming from? And uh that kind of stuff,

1343
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: and you already know the area already, have it scouted?

1344
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: Um for got it just has you know, and buck

1345
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: betting areas scouted. It doesn't know a lot about them.

1346
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: That it gets pretty tough. And I think a younger

1347
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: guy or aknewer guy UM should probably concentrate on one

1348
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: property and learn all the bet in that one property first,

1349
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: because it's easier to hunt on a property then it

1350
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: is to hunt one spot on each property because there's

1351
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: a good odds to box in some other spot. But

1352
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: if there's a buck on that property and you hunt

1353
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: that property down, you're you're more likely to kill. Yeah,

1354
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. Dan. That was I

1355
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: had needed to ask you was if you recommend how

1356
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 1: you recommend it, somebody start, you know, start and folks

1357
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: learn something really well or spread yourself out. You answer that, thanks, Say, Dan,

1358
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: you talked about monitoring these different betting years. Then once

1359
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: you find them. One of the ways that I think

1360
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: some people think about monitoring a betting area or a

1361
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: region of a property is with trail cameras. But I

1362
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: heard you talk about last year at least how trail

1363
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: cameras maybe misled you a little bit in that way. Um,

1364
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: is that something that you see happen more often the

1365
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: trail cameras out of hurting you more than they help

1366
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: you in some cases, or or is there a certain

1367
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: way we should be thinking about and make sure they

1368
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: don't well. Cameras can be your best friend or your

1369
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 1: worst enemy. Um. Do you find people that get addicted

1370
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: to them things in or to putting them in places

1371
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: they shouldn't, then you're checking them all the time, um,

1372
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, or there, or they got them in a

1373
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: spot where they really couldn't kill something anyways, and then

1374
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: they're every time they see something under to change your

1375
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: whole game plan towards it. I think the best thing

1376
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: you can do with the trail cameras. Have you got

1377
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: a bed in area or a rub line that comes

1378
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: out of a bed area and it's a hundred yards

1379
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: back or somewhere a couple hundred yards back, and maybe

1380
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: to have a camera there, um, But I really wouldn't

1381
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: recommend having them where you hunt, unless it's the email

1382
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: type that email you the picture. And even then I

1383
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: put it their way in advance. Yeah, yeah, you gotta,

1384
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta get the intel and and use

1385
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: that intael for something. I think a lot of the

1386
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: ways I like to use trail cameras is to put

1387
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: them on a food source, um, always away from betting

1388
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: where it has no impact in the bedding at all,

1389
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: and just know it's there's a big buck in that

1390
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: area and that woods, and then I know the betting

1391
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: I can go after him. But I think a lot

1392
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: of the younger people or newer people to this uh,

1393
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: to this way of hunting, I have to build their

1394
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: confidence up and they have to believe that there's a

1395
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: buck in that betting here, and that's why they put

1396
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: those cameras so close, but I think that's hurting number. Uh.

1397
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: Holy those deer get to be you know, four years

1398
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 1: old or older and pressured land without knowing that game.

1399
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: When somebody walks inplace, they know I don't go there

1400
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: tomorrow and daylight. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Andy, Andy,

1401
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: what we're gonna say there? Before I interrupted you, Oh,

1402
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask Dan, what what type of terrain

1403
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: or habitat do you find the most difficult for you

1404
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: to hunt? Um? H hill country probably Um you get

1405
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: you have a hard time getting close enough. You know,

1406
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: you get below you into normal rise and you get

1407
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: a ball, you get the wind blowing at him. So

1408
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: you gotta find that little niche to get on them.

1409
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: And it's not that I find it really difficult to

1410
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: hunt it. It's just it's it's a struggle, you know,

1411
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: and kind of like it's a little more challenging to me.

1412
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's funner, but it is a little more challenging

1413
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: to get within that window of killing gear. Um. All

1414
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: the rest of the drains, I think that I get closer.

1415
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: Is there a certain type of hills that we've we've

1416
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this other places, certain type

1417
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: of hills that you find the most difficult. You know,

1418
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: they range from you know, you have big, great, big

1419
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: steep bluffs in that gentle rolling hill. Um, yeah, for sure,

1420
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: the rolling hills are much harder. The rolling hills are

1421
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: much harder, and especially for scouting, just finding the betting

1422
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: areas in those rolling hills is tough because, um, in

1423
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: the steep bluffs, they're right at the point where that

1424
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: thermal wind meat and a worn in you know, you

1425
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: can seem really well. But in those rolling hills, um,

1426
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: they're instantly shift in their beds, so it's hard to tell,

1427
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you've been bedding or a lot. You know. Yeah,

1428
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: that's what I've seen too. And the deepest hills that's

1429
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,839
Speaker 1: where I find the heaviest, most you know, um defined

1430
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: bet because it's flat out there's less options, I think,

1431
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Another betting question that I that I've

1432
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: wanted to get a little bit more from you on

1433
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: Dan is just how betting might change throughout the year.

1434
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk a little bit about how it

1435
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: transitions from early season to late season in different types

1436
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: of terrain, but can you can you talk about that

1437
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, how that might change and like a

1438
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: hill country situation versus a swamp or farm country type situation. Uh,

1439
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: you know, hill country. I see him betting on those

1440
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: uh those leeward ridges all year. Um. Farms and swamps.

1441
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: I see see a little different though, UM Like right now,

1442
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: um going out water on farms and a scull and

1443
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: then glasses and stuff. I'm seeing a lot of them

1444
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: big box are bedding up on the open field, UM,

1445
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: in the in the grass cover, um, right out in

1446
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: the places where they normally don't. And I think it's

1447
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: to get away from the mosquitoes. I don't think they

1448
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: want to be done in that water area. But they

1449
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: seem to be a long ways away from the water

1450
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: right now on um, up in the higher stuff. But

1451
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: once the season comes, they just start moving right back

1452
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: into that stuff. And I'm hitting them right into the

1453
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: same place as I always do. But then early season

1454
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: and finding them around the acorns, you know, and vice verse.

1455
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: You starting to follow the routine of the food sources

1456
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: or whatever they're looking for for that time of the year.

1457
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: And one thing I noticed though, um that you can

1458
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: see distinct patterns. So if you hunt a wooden lot

1459
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: like like I think it was Joe was saying earlier,

1460
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 1: if you hunt one wood lot and learn it, well,

1461
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: you just start to see that when you've seen a

1462
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: big box in a certain area, that exact time date,

1463
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: time frame right down to the week, is when you

1464
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: should be hunting that area in the next year. It's

1465
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: not a coincidence. I don't think there's a big Bucks

1466
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,839
Speaker 1: to do anything on coincidence. So there's like food patterns

1467
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: and timing patterns they moved through an area. Do you

1468
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: see that change as a buckets older at Although if

1469
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: you ever have a buck that you've seen maybe a

1470
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: couple of years in a row, do you see that? Um?

1471
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: You know, some people talk about how these home ranges

1472
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: tend to get tighter and tighter and tighter as these

1473
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: bucks get older and older. Anything anything else like that

1474
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: I can say about older box is this is that

1475
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: And this will probably strike a few people wrong, but

1476
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: it's really what I've I've observed, and I believe I

1477
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,799
Speaker 1: think older bucks are easier to hunt, and the reason

1478
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: being is they get locked into those primary better areas,

1479
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: just hold up there and stay there, and they're hard

1480
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 1: to kick out. You kick them out to come right

1481
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: back in where those younger bucks seem to you kick

1482
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: them out, they moved to another spot. Um. But those

1483
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: older bocks seem to really find an area where hardly

1484
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: anybody goes, and they just stay there and they're harder

1485
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: to push out of that area. Um. And they'll move

1486
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: further for food, you know, they'll during the night, they'll

1487
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: go to a food source or whatever. And is that

1488
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: do you think that's just because they they found something

1489
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: that works for them and it's kept them alive for

1490
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: so long, and now they're they're setting that way like

1491
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: this has worked for me for five years? Why change

1492
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: it out? It's hard for It's hard for me to

1493
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: tell you what the books thinking. But uh, I don't

1494
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: know if it's through experiences. I don't you know, I

1495
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: don't know what causes it. But I see that in

1496
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: in not only on pressured private I see it on

1497
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: on the managed stuff I've hunted and help people with

1498
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: two let's see the same thing. Yeah, Well, what's I'm

1499
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: curious to you know, I look up to Joel and

1500
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: Andy a lot. I'm curious that they've seen that same

1501
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: type of behavior. Yeah, I I have definitely, and I like,

1502
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: you know, living where I do, I am very fortunate

1503
01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: older deer and once that bockheads five six years old,

1504
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: they've become very very patternable. Now those patterns aren't easy

1505
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: by any means, but if you're you know, on your game,

1506
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: once you find them. I've I've come into run into

1507
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot of bucks where they are they make their

1508
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: home and a woodlock or one small drainage and they're

1509
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: in forty eight acres. It seems like if you think

1510
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: about it now, most of your hunters are on a

1511
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: pattern of rotating through steams and they never move up

1512
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: the pattern. They'll get them. You know, they don't go mobile,

1513
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: and you've got to go mobile and go find it.

1514
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: There's pattern in order to kill. Yeah, and it's those

1515
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: areas that they find they are never hunted. You know,

1516
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: they're they're there there. You know, they speak out these

1517
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: areas because for whatever reason, people aren't you hunting it.

1518
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: You know, we've gotten the edges or whatever where they're

1519
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: actually button. Nobody ever goes. It's a really small area

1520
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: when you find that. You know, the proprobial overlook spot. Yeah,

1521
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 1: what about you, Andy? Yeah? Yeah, I have I have

1522
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: seen that too, Like the buck, uh that buck I

1523
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: killed last year. Um, that's a perfect explanation, um, of

1524
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: of how I killed that dear. You know, he just

1525
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: I it took me three years to get him, but um,

1526
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: it just really kept fine tuning UM and what he

1527
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: was seeing. Um, he was seen in some areas that

1528
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: were kind of quite a ways away from where I

1529
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: had killed him, and he had been shot at a

1530
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 1: few times. So I had some different guys around the area,

1531
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: and he really ended up just zeroing into this little

1532
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: tiny corner along this river corridor, and uh, you know,

1533
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean he spent you know, as far as I

1534
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 1: could tell, UM. You know, he was spending the majority

1535
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: of his time there, and I was getting a couple

1536
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: of pictures UM of him, and he was always kind

1537
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: of coming and going, always coming that coming from that direction,

1538
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: going back. And uh it really because I because I

1539
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: come to know that buck really well. It became a

1540
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward set up on how to get him. I

1541
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: just had the time it right, and you know, on

1542
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: a day where he was moving in daylight and that

1543
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So and I would point out, even

1544
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: though they're in a small area, does not mean they're

1545
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: visible there there. They are often just about the individible,

1546
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, they're not walking in front of where you

1547
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: normally put your tree. If you put a trail camera

1548
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: on a certain tree every single year and check it,

1549
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: you know regularly, they may be an area and they

1550
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: just know not to walk in front of your camera,

1551
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, or you know they're not walking by your stand,

1552
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: but they might be. You know, you might be regularly

1553
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: hut in the stand and that buck might be bet

1554
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: in two hundred yards away and he knows you're there,

1555
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: He knows you're regularly there, and he just never will

1556
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: show himself just because you don't see every not there.

1557
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: You're like, you're you know, hunting nor always you know,

1558
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: the same old stand, all that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah,

1559
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: what else do you got, Joe? Any other questions top

1560
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: of mind for you? Um? One question I got for you, Dan,

1561
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: is you know, if you could give yourself a piece

1562
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: of advice, uh, you know from you know, if you

1563
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: could give yourself a piece of advice thirty years ago,

1564
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: what would it be in terms of just hunting in general,

1565
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: like maybe how to or how not to? You know what,

1566
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: what would have helped you the most? If you could

1567
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: tell yourself a thirty year younger version of yourself something. Jeez,

1568
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: I know there will be a lot. Yeah, I don't know.

1569
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,560
Speaker 1: It's probably be something to do with family, uh, you know,

1570
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 1: and how I spend my time. I was, as we

1571
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: alluded to earlier, I was a pretty obsessed with hunting

1572
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: back then. So basically you know that now you're talking

1573
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 1: a little bit or yeah, I worry a little bit

1574
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: more about work, about family, about my kids. Unlike you guys,

1575
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: I had kids early. I think I think the biggest

1576
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: one for me was I put a lot of pressure

1577
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: on my middle son, who, um it was the only

1578
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: one that really liked hunting, and I think I pressured

1579
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: him right out of liking it, you know. Um. To me, Um,

1580
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: I liked the working hunting, you know, the the hyke

1581
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: back three miles in a swamp with us standing and

1582
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: set up. But I really never thought about him not

1583
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 1: liking that part of it. And I think I pushed

1584
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: him a little too hard. Um. You know, Uh, I

1585
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: think I would rather have made it more fun for him.

1586
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: You know. I think back to my younger days, or

1587
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: all my days for that matter. The hunts I remember

1588
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: the most aren't those giant bucks. I killed the ones

1589
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: that that that remember the most of my first book,

1590
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: the first year with the bulb, but times chasing those

1591
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: deer around just having fun where it was just trying

1592
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 1: to kill a deer. Um. And I think, you know,

1593
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: my son missed that a little bit. Uh. He shot

1594
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: three bucks in his life, and I think the smallest

1595
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: one scores about one ten or one point. He's never

1596
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: shot a dough um, So I think I kind of

1597
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: pushed him into missing some of that, you know. And yeah,

1598
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting to hear. It's something I've been thinking

1599
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: about a lot about myself too, with um, with my

1600
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 1: first son being born. He's just six months old now,

1601
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: and so I'm I'm thinking a lot about how do

1602
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: you go about introducing a child to the outdoors and

1603
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: hunting and how do you you know, to your point, Dan,

1604
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: I could see myself doing the same thing. I'm so

1605
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: excited about. I'm so passionate about it, so hardcore about it,

1606
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: that how do I temper that down to to work,

1607
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, to still have fun for him and to

1608
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: to not overwhelm him. Um, that seems like something could

1609
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: easily happen, right. You gotta remember he's not you, you know,

1610
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: I wanted Jamie to be me you know, I wanted

1611
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: to be like me and be who I was, and

1612
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that's realistic. And you know, I think

1613
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people will probably criticize me for talking

1614
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: about that, but it's you know, it's true, and I

1615
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: think it will probably help somebody else by saying yeah, no,

1616
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up. And

1617
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: I thought about that as well with my kids. You know,

1618
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: how to how to bring him into nothing. But I'm

1619
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: so passionate about but I do worry about burning about Yeah,

1620
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: I kinda want to flip that a little bit. Dan. Now,

1621
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: so you being so hardcore about it, you being so

1622
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: obsessed with things maybe ended up being a detriment when

1623
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 1: it came to introducing hunting to your to your family

1624
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: with your son um. But now I want to talk

1625
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: about the the intangible things about you that have made

1626
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: you so successful. What if you could put your finger

1627
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,480
Speaker 1: on any trait or habit or routine or some intangible

1628
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: thing but what you do or who you are, Is

1629
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: there anything you can point to on that level that

1630
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: do you think has led to your success? Has it

1631
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: just been that hard core nature or is there something else?

1632
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that that this is gonna sound horrible,

1633
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: but it's true that the number one thing with me

1634
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: is is that cocky, arrogant belief that I'm gonna kill

1635
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: a bug. It's mental power. You have to believe in yourself.

1636
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 1: If you really believe you're gonna do it, Um, you'll

1637
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: go out and you'll do the job. You'll do the work,

1638
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: you'll do that you know, you'll push yourself that far.

1639
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: Um And I think a lot of people that fail

1640
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: it's it's because of their mind. I don't think it's

1641
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: because they necessarily know that much less. I think the

1642
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:45,560
Speaker 1: difference between maybe um Me and Indian and Joe and

1643
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: some of the newer guys on the site isn't really

1644
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: the knowledge, because I think it's all pretty much out there.

1645
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's the experience and the

1646
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: belief in ourselves. I think, uh, I go out there

1647
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: just believe in that I'm gonna do it. I think

1648
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: every time I go into wood, I believe I'm gonna

1649
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: kill that deerham after, you know, I believe that's the

1650
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: day I'm gonna kill him. And when I don't, I

1651
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: get up the next morning to go out there just

1652
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: as happy, still believe and I'm gonna kill that deer

1653
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: that day. Do you think that is just is that

1654
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: just a personality trait? Or is that actually because you've

1655
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,799
Speaker 1: put in so much time and effort and work and scouting,

1656
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: you have so much experience that you realistically do have

1657
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 1: that confidence because of all that skills that you have already,

1658
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 1: or is both? Yeah, I don't think you can buy

1659
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: that experience and and I don't think you can teach

1660
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: that experience. I think it's I think it's about putting on,

1661
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, pile of bucks on the wall that you

1662
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: you just start to believe that this works. You know,

1663
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. And and I believe in my setups,

1664
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: I believe in my scouting, and I think it's gonna work.

1665
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: Every time I go out there, I really believe that

1666
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: this is the spot that book is going to be

1667
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: better than, and this is where he's gonna come out.

1668
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,839
Speaker 1: And if I didn't have that belief, I probably wouldn't

1669
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: get up to you out there. And I think that's

1670
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: why a lot of other people fail. I think it's

1671
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: why they leave early, why they lacking confidence. And the

1672
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: only way you can get that is to go out

1673
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: there and kill some bucks and build that confidence up. Yeah. Yeah,

1674
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: a lot of times it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy too.

1675
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, you kind of alluded to it. If you

1676
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: don't have confidence in your setup or your strategy when

1677
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: you're sitting out there, if you're not confident, you're maybe

1678
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 1: not paying as much attention, or you're not willing to

1679
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: stay till the very last minute, or you're not willing

1680
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,560
Speaker 1: to get out there two hours before dark because you

1681
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 1: and well it's probably not gonna work out anyway. So

1682
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: lots of times just that confidence will push you or

1683
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: will allow you to do the things you know you

1684
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: need to do. Um, you know you need just that.

1685
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you're on the stand, I'm listening, I'm watching,

1686
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm hearing things in the distance. I'm looking for movement

1687
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I think other people, you know, are

1688
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: sitting or daydream and things are are going on if

1689
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: they're not even noticing. And and I know that's little,

1690
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: but I think the differences between a great hunter and

1691
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: an okay hunter is little things. You know, It's you

1692
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: know a lot of those little things add up and

1693
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,879
Speaker 1: that's what makes you successful. Yeah yeah, yeah, your mindset

1694
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: huge you know when you're when you're thinking about, you know,

1695
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: what might be going wrong. Um, if you just about guarantee,

1696
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna screw it up. I've been in situations where

1697
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, I have a coming in

1698
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 1: earlier in my career and I would there's no way

1699
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 1: I can screw this up. You know, I don't know

1700
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: that you have that mindset, then you're gonna screw it up.

1701
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: So got the stories to prove it once. But you

1702
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: know when it comes when you see a deer and

1703
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: you think I'm going to kill that dear, you're gonna

1704
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 1: kill it? Is there is there anything, Joe, that you

1705
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: could point to if I were to take that question.

1706
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: I just gave it to Dan and point that back

1707
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: to you. Do you have any any other intangible quality

1708
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: or routine or habit or mindset other than we just

1709
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: talked about that has that's helped you? Yeah? And I

1710
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: think you know, I'm kind of a student of observing

1711
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: people's personality, so I think this fits to Dan as well. Um,

1712
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: we're persistent, and that is I don't know if you

1713
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: want to say it's learned or it comes natural, that's statable,

1714
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: I guess, But you gotta be persistent, and you gotta

1715
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: you know that. That's how we can go out there

1716
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: again and again and fail and keep going and keep

1717
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: believing in it is your persistent and you don't get

1718
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: burned out in a way of you know, that negative

1719
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 1: self talk that really takes you down. You just you

1720
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: just you know, that's a really good point. You know,

1721
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody that's been successful beast talking. That's lazy.

1722
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: You try to have a strong work ethic. I mean,

1723
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: you gotta like the work, wouldn't you when you drink? Yeah, exactly.

1724
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: You gotta love the work. That's that's that's how you

1725
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: sum it up. You gotta love the work. You gotta

1726
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: love sweating your butt off and out, you know, a

1727
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 1: mile and mile out, two miles and two miles out.

1728
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: You gotta want to you got to want to drag

1729
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 1: that buck out two miles. You know everybody, you know

1730
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 1: they went to somebody asked, so, I don't you know

1731
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: it isn't that too far? Well, yeah, that's probably just

1732
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: not for you. Then if you're worried about how far

1733
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: the drag is gonna be, you know, right, you know,

1734
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: you hear all those people say, well, I'd never shoot

1735
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: a buck in that spot because of how far but

1736
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: draggedd is. Or I wouldn't even hunt there because of

1737
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: that you actually for you guys, But I've never ever

1738
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: thought about how I'm gonna gear out until it's dead.

1739
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly What about you, Andy, what's your

1740
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 1: intangible that you would add? Um? Yeah, I mean I'd

1741
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: go right along with what both Dan and Joe said.

1742
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm just I'm extremely thorough like

1743
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: with my scouting. So I think I mentioned this before,

1744
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: but like you know, and I know Joe does this,

1745
01:29:54,680 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm thorough enough in my scouting where it

1746
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: would almost have to be some you know, really really

1747
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: bad luck, extremely bad luck for me to not at

1748
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: least have some success. So I don't like leaving a

1749
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: lot of things to chance. Um So, and I love

1750
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: the preparation. I love the scouting even you know, even

1751
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: more than the hunt in a lot of times, a

1752
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: lot of ways. So I'm just extremely thorough with with

1753
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 1: all of that. Just to kind of put I think

1754
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: that just kind of puts all the odds in my favor,

1755
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: at least enough of the odds in my favor. Um.

1756
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: But then I have like this, I don't know, I

1757
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: have this like constant drive to improve, like not to

1758
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: be the best hunter. I don't care about that, but

1759
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,520
Speaker 1: I have to be. I always have to be improving

1760
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: with the things that I'm passionate about. And I don't

1761
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 1: know why that is, but like being stagnant in anything

1762
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: that I'm really passionate about, it like it almost makes

1763
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: me ill. I get anxiety about it. It's weird, but

1764
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I just I constantly have to be improving about the

1765
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, with the things that I'm passionate about, only

1766
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: about you know, a couple of a couple of things.

1767
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: So that that's why those tend to get you know,

1768
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: the majority of my time. Yeah, yeah, that If I

1769
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: feel uncertain about something, it drives me not. I hate that.

1770
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: And then I think, you know, you know, you know,

1771
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: you guys sound like you guys know what I mean.

1772
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: You know, like if I how to hunt of property,

1773
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: it drives me not and I'm gonna keep going back,

1774
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: keep going back, being figured, trying to figure it out.

1775
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 1: It's funny how similar we are, the three of us.

1776
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: You hear with all the different people I talked to

1777
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: over the years through the podcast, there are definitely. These

1778
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: all these intangibles you just mentioned, they're the same things

1779
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: that come up for almost every single person. And these

1780
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: all these different people. They might hunt in totally different ways.

1781
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: Some guys don't hunt at all, like you Dan, or

1782
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: you and your Joe, but they still have these core

1783
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of pieces parts of like who they are that

1784
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: seems to be consistent across all you guys and many

1785
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: of the other best hunters out there. So it's it's

1786
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: almost like if you have these core things, if you're persistent,

1787
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: if you're willing to care about the little things, if

1788
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: you're willing to to put in an unbelievable amount of

1789
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: time and effort and energy and keep that positive attitude,

1790
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: if you can do those things, you'll eventually find the

1791
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: style of hunting that works for you. Um, but those

1792
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: things are the keys that seems to be very consistent. Yeah,

1793
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the reasons why I learned, and

1794
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 1: maybe I'll change as I gained maturity as a hunter.

1795
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: But I try to not go after one particular block

1796
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: because it just consumes me to the point I'll wake

1797
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: up at two am and stare at the ceiling for

1798
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: three hours thinking about that darned dear. You know, so

1799
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: I try not to, I really, you know, I try

1800
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,560
Speaker 1: to keep that under control. So and everybody's different, you know,

1801
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 1: but it's just a quirk. Yeah, Joe or Andy, do

1802
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: either you guys have any other any other big ones

1803
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: we want to run by Dan? Uh No, I don't

1804
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: have any more questions for Dan, but I do want

1805
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: to say something to him. I don't know, are we

1806
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 1: are we ending this thing? Yeah? Yeah, I think maybe

1807
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: maybe kind of concluded here. I've got I've got kind

1808
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: of one more question, but but yeah, if you want

1809
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: to conclude with some thoughts, Andy, that'd be good. Well,

1810
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: it's more of a I guess I thank you. Um.

1811
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thank you to Dan because

1812
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's someone that I look up to. I

1813
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 1: never had I never had a mentor, you know, like

1814
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 1: nobody got me into hunting. I actually started archery and

1815
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: then uh I was you know, decent at archery, and

1816
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, that's kind of how I started hunting. Um.

1817
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: So you know the people that were mentors, you know,

1818
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I learned a lot with trial and there, but Dan

1819
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: was certainly like one of my mentors. Um for sure,

1820
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: I've learned a ton from him. You know, he's never

1821
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: I respect him a ton. He's never really sought out,

1822
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: notari pushed products and actually tries to steer you know,

1823
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the guys that the Hunting Beast away from him, you know,

1824
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 1: and he's super generous with his time and his information

1825
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: for I mean, how many years, how many years has

1826
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: he been doing this? It's you know, it's amazing. So

1827
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 1: he just has like a natural, nonsense way of teaching

1828
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 1: and explaining things, something that I think doesn't come so

1829
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,719
Speaker 1: natural to me. Like for him, he's just really easy

1830
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: to listen to and it just comes off real naturally.

1831
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: And I think he'll you know, I really think he's

1832
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: going to go down as one of the great real

1833
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: world hunters. And I know that's not a big deal

1834
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 1: to him, but you know, because of the the commitment

1835
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 1: um you know, the long longevity and the willingness to

1836
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 1: share and teach. So you know, I just I'm really

1837
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: thankful and like on behalf of everyone listening and the

1838
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: guys that Hunting Beasts, I just want to say thank you.

1839
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: I completely agree and your role Bottle, I will flat

1840
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 1: out says, you know, have taught me a lot and

1841
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 1: how to conduct myself. I feel like and I think

1842
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 1: that points on them. Well, absolutely, you know, I kind

1843
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 1: of look up to you guys too. I think you

1844
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: guys are some of the top guys on the site.

1845
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean you to talk. I always listen, So so

1846
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 1: then I'll wrap it up. I'll wrap it up with

1847
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: this stand. Um, We've asked you a lot of questions.

1848
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: You get thousands of questions on the Beast, You get

1849
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: all sorts of questions from other people on all these

1850
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: different podcasts and people interviewing you for all these different things.

1851
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: Is there any question that you haven't been asked yet

1852
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: that you wish you had not that? I can think

1853
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 1: of people asking the craziest questions like what favorite ice

1854
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: cream is? With car I drive? And sometimes there's nothing

1855
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: that you've really wanted to talk about that no one

1856
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 1: ever and never ends up diving into huh No I do.

1857
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I do feel like most podcasts, um, I mean, it's

1858
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: guys that don't Beast Hunt, so they don't ask the

1859
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:03,600
Speaker 1: right questions and it's just the same stuff over and

1860
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: over again. I really like the format you had on

1861
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 1: this one, and this is really cool. It was it

1862
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 1: was a good idea you had Um. I think we've

1863
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: got some good stuff off there. People like this? Yeah, yeah,

1864
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 1: I definitely enjoyed it too. What's your favorite my favorite

1865
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: venison recipe? Um, A couple of sticks of butter and

1866
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 1: some chopped up uh venison in a lot of vegetables.

1867
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: It's fried. Yes, I think you got that on YouTube.

1868
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: I think I remember that. Yeah, that sounds it's not

1869
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 1: buttery enough. Just keep that in butter and salt. So

1870
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: dan um. I guess I'll just ask you then, what

1871
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: what do you want to send people to? What should

1872
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: people that are listening to this that, you know, if

1873
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 1: somehow they haven't heard heard about you or the Hunting Beast,

1874
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: What do you want them to go do next? Do

1875
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you want them to just check out the forum? Do

1876
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: you want to send them to your DVDs? Um? Where

1877
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: can they find all that kind of stuff? You know? Um? Uh,

1878
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: my hunting forums by a great place to go. There's

1879
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: a lot of free uh tactical discussion on here. And

1880
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 1: that's the Hunting Beast dot com. I've got a great

1881
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. I mean you got to filter through some

1882
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: stuff because I love to put clips up there of

1883
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: chasing down possums and catching them, but there's still some

1884
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: really good uh tactical deer videos in here that are

1885
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 1: really pretty cool to around for him. And then we

1886
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: got a Facebook page. UM, I've got some really good

1887
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: tactical DVDs. But you don't have to buy those. You

1888
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: can get that, you know, if you do the research.

1889
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 1: Everything's online free. UM, just come onto the site. We've

1890
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,600
Speaker 1: got a site that's uh as so free. UM. We

1891
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: don't allow any bullying or anything. We get rid of

1892
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 1: people as soon as they start, so it's a real

1893
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: easy going where anybody can talk, anybody can ask any

1894
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: questions they want. Awesome, Well, I would just echo everything

1895
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: that Joe and Andy said. You know, over the years,

1896
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: I've I've followed your stuff for a long time now too,

1897
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: and it's been tremendously helpful and hearing from our list ers,

1898
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: they'd all agree to. I think a lot of people

1899
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 1: can point to you being tremendous resource. So thank you

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Speaker 1: Weird Hunt over on our Facebook page, the Instagram account, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: some ways to to beat target panic, which is something

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Speaker 1: So check that one out, and of course, most importantly,

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