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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to spolitics and I heard

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Speaker 2: podcasts and unbothered production time to get spolitical. Given the context,

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Speaker 2: I'm struggling to think of an injury under the circumstances

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Speaker 2: that was more devastating than the one Tyrese Haliburton suffered

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Speaker 2: in Game seven of the NBA Finals. Now, Halliburton tore

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Speaker 2: his ACL, and unfortunately, this NBA season has been marred

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Speaker 3: Jason Tatum also.

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Speaker 2: Went down with an ACL tear during the playoffs, and

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Speaker 2: a few months ago, Kyrie Irvings ACL tear torpedoed the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Mavericks chances to make any headway whatsoever in the

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Speaker 2: NBA playoffs. Now, overall, there has been a record eight

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Speaker 2: achilles tears this season, but Halliburton's injury was the one

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Speaker 2: that has really invited the finger pointing. Some believe players

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Speaker 2: are getting hurt more because the playoffs are too.

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Speaker 4: Money's not the problem. We got seventy six billion. Comment like,

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Speaker 4: money's not the issue. The owners are all billionaires. Let's

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Speaker 4: protect the players. There's no reason for seven game series

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Speaker 4: in the first two rounds.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Cameron is blaming the shoes.

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Speaker 2: Some also are blaming it on the wear and tear

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Speaker 2: that starts at an early age and the pace of play.

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Speaker 5: I think it's more the wear and tear. These kids

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Speaker 5: are playing way too many specialized sports at a younger age.

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Speaker 5: Like I don't even think it's close how much they're

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Speaker 5: playing compared to my era. I played four different sports

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Speaker 5: the grassroots basketball development, if you're lucky enough to get

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Speaker 5: to the league, will probably.

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Speaker 6: Put five years on your body. And that's just a guestimate.

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Speaker 7: So since twenty twelve and now in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 7: the average NBA team runs an extra two hundred miles

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Speaker 7: per season.

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Speaker 6: What does that mean?

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Speaker 7: Well, then, of those extra two hundred miles is the

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Speaker 7: burden is on the starters. Load management is the era

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Speaker 7: that we are in, and all teams have to work

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Speaker 7: to try to balance out those minutes across the entire rosters.

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Speaker 7: But without question, if you compare the days of Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 7: Charles Barkley, and Patrick Ewing, all those days, that was

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Speaker 7: a half court offense, and now we are in space

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Speaker 7: and pace, and space and pace has increased three pointers,

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Speaker 7: fast breaks, and now the total mileage.

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Speaker 2: The reason is offered by Colin Cowherd, former NBA player

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Speaker 2: Matt Barns, and CBS sports injury expert Marty jarr Millow

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Speaker 2: are reasonable and makes sense. Though, Sorry, Killer Cam the Shoes, Nah,

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Speaker 2: my man, that's not exactly.

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Speaker 3: What the research tells us. Is the NBA season too long?

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Speaker 2: Yes, the regular season is eighty two games, It could

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Speaker 2: easily be sixty five and start closer to Christmas, which

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Speaker 2: would make having seven game playoff series seem less taxing.

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Speaker 6: But let's be real.

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Speaker 2: The NBA just signed an eleven year, seventy six billion

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Speaker 2: the current structure. Television networks don't want to lose games,

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Speaker 2: and neither do owners, and for sure, players don't want

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Speaker 2: to give back any money. So less games sounds good

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Speaker 2: but not remotely realistic. But a lot of this could

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Speaker 2: be put under one big umbrella, because there is only

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Speaker 2: one thing that can be blamed for what we're seeing now.

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Speaker 2: It's gross capitalism. Now, we're not that far away from

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Speaker 2: an NBA player getting a half billion dollar contract like

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Speaker 2: sports isn't lowering, it's rising. With so many billions in

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Speaker 2: the pot, that means nearly every kid with a basketball

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Speaker 2: now wait issues aside. Zion started playing travel ball at

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Speaker 2: Homes in twenty nineteen, Zion spent most of his youth

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Speaker 2: A case where a doctor is repairing a torn acl

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Speaker 2: do have NBA hoop dreams. And when that level of

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Speaker 2: players to play and train all year round. The business

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Speaker 2: of sports means low management. The business of sports means

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Speaker 2: more games on a bunch of different networks and streaming services,

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Speaker 2: and more money that fans have to shell out in

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Speaker 2: order to see their favorite teams and players. The goal

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Speaker 2: is not simply to make money. The goal is to

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Speaker 2: be disgustingly rich, not just rich rich. So no, you

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Speaker 2: aren't going to see fewer games. You aren't going to

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Speaker 2: game and what it has brought them, be that financial

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Speaker 2: or competitive comfort. Everybody loves a gladiator sport, they just

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Speaker 2: don't love gladiator consequences. I'm Jamel Hill, and I approved

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Speaker 2: this message. Today's episode of Politics is special and unique. Now,

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Speaker 2: I believe this is the first episode of Politics that

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Speaker 2: I've done on location. I was recently invited to the

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Speaker 2: American Black Film Festival in Miami to host a special

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Speaker 2: conversation with one of the greatest players in NBA history,

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Speaker 2: twelve time All Star who was named as one of

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Speaker 2: the seventy five greatest NBA players, who many affectionately refer.

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Speaker 3: To as the Point God.

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Speaker 2: Now he's doing some exciting things in film and television,

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Speaker 2: but before he becomes even more immersed in that world,

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Speaker 2: he has a big decision to make about him free agency,

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Speaker 2: because this could be.

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Speaker 3: His final year as an NBA player.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next on politics, my conversation with Chris Paul

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Speaker 2: at ABFF in Miami, and please now get a more

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Speaker 8: Hello, Hello everybody, Okay, some relatives and years, Okay, thank

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Speaker 2: For this wonderful conversation that I'm about to have in

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Speaker 2: a moment with Chris Paul.

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Speaker 1: I'm just so proud to once.

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Speaker 2: Again be able to be a part of ABFF for

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Speaker 2: another year.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is my fourth year or

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Speaker 2: But every time that I come to this civil I

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Speaker 2: before we come here we're getting told Noah lot.

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Speaker 1: And then when you come.

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Speaker 2: Here, you hear other people's stories who are going through

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Speaker 1: So I just thank you.

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Speaker 2: All and thank ABFF for just giving me that energy

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Speaker 2: Happy that the fact that ABFF, every single year that

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Speaker 2: be here and leading another important conversation that merges together

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Speaker 2: today I get the honor of having a conversation with

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Speaker 2: Chris Paul. Now we know some of the metrics. Twelve

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Speaker 2: time All Star, I think he's made All NBA eleven times.

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Speaker 2: I mean, an incredible player, one of the greatest point

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Speaker 2: course I'm gonna ask him about where he's playing next year.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely that's on the table, right, Please, welcome to

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Speaker 2: Listen to jump right into it, Chris, because everybody wants

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Speaker 6: So what's the move?

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Speaker 9: last summer I was an unrestricted free agent too, But

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Speaker 2: Many people are quite aware of the fact that you

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Speaker 2: The Lakers baby could need a point guard.

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Speaker 9: I say this is just about every time I talked,

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Speaker 9: But the past six seasons I've played in where I

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Speaker 1: Paiging Roye Polinka, piging Rode Polinka.

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Speaker 2: But that being said, I mean, I think it's fair

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Speaker 9: Right, So what happened was and the reason why I

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Speaker 2: So where did the name O Dip come from?

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Speaker 9: movie when Mike Epps he said, oh shit, the Negro Olympics,

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Speaker 6: So I think they said old Dip on that, right.

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Speaker 9: So for since we were kids, since that movie came out,

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Speaker 9: That automatically came to mind when me and my brother

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Speaker 9: Yeah, what's interesting is I wanted to be able to

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Speaker 9: So we've told stories of lacrosse team. I didn't play

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Speaker 6: I love pictures.

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Speaker 9: I love documenting things because I feel like I've been

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Speaker 9: So I hit Jay one day and I was like, Jay, man,

443
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Speaker 9: I want to talk to you about this decision that

444
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Speaker 9: I'm trying to make to go to go or stay.

445
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 9: And then this is always a tough question then y'all know,

446
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 9: like when you got homies and whatnot. And I was

447
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 9: like Jay, I was like, I want to bring a

448
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 9: camera just to capture it for myself, just so years

449
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 9: years from now when I'm thinking about what decision I made,

450
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Speaker 9: I want to I want to be able to rewatch it.

451
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Speaker 6: So Jay said cool.

452
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Speaker 9: Me and my brother went over to the studio, had

453
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Speaker 9: vib my camera guy, come over there.

454
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Speaker 6: We was there for like.

455
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 9: Four hours, four or five hours, talk talked it through.

456
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Speaker 9: Then I went and had lunch with Eiger. I went

457
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 9: had lunch with Eiger and asked him if I could

458
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Speaker 9: bring because I really just wanted feedback from people. I

459
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 9: talked to some of my family members and I was

460
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 9: filming it. So what actually happened is Bob my shooter

461
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 9: right Bob actually put together like a little sizzle, right,

462
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 9: just a little sizzle just for whatever. I sent it

463
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 9: over to Jay, right. Jay hits me back and was like, this, dope,

464
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 9: you're gonna put it out. I was like, hold up,

465
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 9: this ain't profit, you know, because you never know how

466
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Speaker 9: people want to be shown or something like that, especially

467
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Speaker 9: somebody with that profile. Same thing with Iiger, and they said, absolutely,

468
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Speaker 9: go ahead.

469
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Speaker 6: So our first project that we did was Chapter three.

470
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Speaker 9: We started our company, We went to the different networks

471
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Speaker 9: and sold it. And this was the first opportunity that

472
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 9: I didn't have to worry about what somebody was saying

473
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 9: on Twitter. I didn't have to worry about what somebody

474
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 9: was saying on Instagram. They could go on TV and

475
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 9: say whatever they wanted to. But guess what, I got

476
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 9: a chance to tell my own story. And so that

477
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 9: I think is what has driven athletes and everyone to

478
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 9: be able to control their own narrative, right, Like you

479
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 9: can't you can make up whatever. And that's that's how

480
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 9: you know you've been in how media changed. Right, anytime

481
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 9: a guy announces that he's going to a new team,

482
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 9: now usually they're doing it on their own platform. And

483
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 9: so that's what started it for me and made me

484
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 9: want to be able to tell my own story.

485
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Speaker 2: And for those out there listening, when you refer to Iiger,

486
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: he meant by Biger as in the chairman of Disney,

487
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: not a bad person.

488
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Speaker 9: And the other thing too, Jim, I'll tell you is

489
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 9: what's wild is the different leagues, right, Like the NBA.

490
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 9: Of course, amazing wouldn't be here without the opportunity. But

491
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 9: they have NBA Entertainment, right, NBA Entertainment. So every time

492
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 9: you go anywhere, I mean, I'm telling you, All Star Weekend,

493
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 9: USA Team, all this different type stuff. They got cameras everywhere.

494
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 9: Everywhere you go, it's.

495
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Speaker 6: Cameras, right.

496
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 9: They own all that footage, right, they own all that footage.

497
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Speaker 9: So in order to do things, a lot of times

498
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 9: you got to go ask them, right. So this was

499
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 9: about being able to control your own there.

500
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know a lot of people, of course,

501
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean, how many of you guys saw the last

502
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: dance of Michael Jordan's documentary Rights one of the greatest

503
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: sports documentaries we've seen. But part of the reason it

504
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: did so well is because Jordan had his own footage.

505
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Speaker 1: He had things that we had not seen before.

506
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Speaker 2: And so that was smarter you to take that footage

507
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: of your process in terms of how you made that decision.

508
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: You know, you said you pitched that to different you

509
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: know networks, and you know to get it out there.

510
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: So when you're in these pitch meetings, how do you

511
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 2: present yourself? Because everybody knows who you are as an athlete,

512
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: but how do you get them to see you as

513
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: a serious content maker?

514
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 6: That's a really good question.

515
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Speaker 9: Fortunately, I have an amazing team around me, right, And

516
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 9: that's the thing that I've learned in sport is that

517
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 9: you can't do everything right.

518
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 6: Luckily I've been on a team sport.

519
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 9: I don't play tennis, I don't play golf professionally, none

520
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 9: of that. But I just try to show up as me,

521
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 9: as authentic and myself right. So on these calls, I

522
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 9: give my point of view, my experience because even though

523
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Speaker 9: I've been in the NBA for the last twenty years,

524
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 9: I grew up in Winston Salem, North Carolina.

525
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 6: Right, I'm as regular or normal as they come.

526
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 9: I have definitely a very abnormal job, but I am

527
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 9: always say whenever I leave the arena, I don't get

528
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 9: in the car and drive around with my Jersey on

529
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 9: I get pulled over by the police just like anybody else.

530
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 9: I'm a black man right in America. Who I have

531
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Speaker 9: two children. I have a beautiful black wife. My children

532
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 9: are sixteen and twelve. And I see the world through

533
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 9: the lens that I did my first nineteen twenty years

534
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 9: when I was a went to middle school, high school, two.

535
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 6: Years in college, and then been in the NBA.

536
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 9: So I have a lot of different stories that I

537
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 9: would also like to tell because it's a lot of

538
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 9: funny shit to go on in my life too, you know, seriously,

539
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 9: Like I have kids that showed blackish right, Like I

540
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 9: thought one day my son was going to ask for

541
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 9: bro mensa straight up, you know what I'm saying. Like

542
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 9: being out there in LA like, you see a lot

543
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 9: of different things, and I'm grateful that I'm grounded around

544
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 9: my family that we can see abnormal stuff and we

545
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 9: laugh about it.

546
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Speaker 6: We joke and laugh about it.

547
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Speaker 2: How has been in the profession of basketball and the

548
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: training and the discipline that requires to be a professional,

549
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: How has that How have those skills transferred into how

550
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: you run this production company?

551
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it all comes down to the details.

552
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 6: Everything. I'm a firm believer.

553
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 9: In this quote that says, how you do anything is

554
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 9: how you do everything right. So this morning I was

555
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 9: at the gym working out at six am, right, and

556
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 9: I just really believe in that keep stacking days, keep

557
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 9: stacking days, stay true to who you are, especially what

558
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 9: our company o dip.

559
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 6: Right.

560
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 9: We don't just go out looking for stories because of

561
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 9: the economics, right, We really want to storytell. We really

562
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 9: want to make sure people's voices are being heard. And

563
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 9: when you do that.

564
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Speaker 6: I think it makes it fun.

565
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Speaker 9: It makes it really fun and you can be proud

566
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Speaker 9: of what you're doing and what you're building.

567
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Speaker 2: You know, you're known as being one of the most

568
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: competitive people to ever play in the NBA. So how

569
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: do you channel that competitiveness when it comes to your

570
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, content creation, your film and TV production work.

571
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's really interesting because it's very competitive. There's

572
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 9: a lot of production companies that want to do this

573
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 9: and want to do that.

574
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 6: I want to dive into one. I mean it.

575
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 9: Gets really tricky out there at times, right, because relationship

576
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 9: building matters. But depending on what project it is, where

577
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 9: you're taking it, what pitch you have. I think one

578
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 9: of the things that I learned when I first got

579
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 9: to LA, and I tell anybody this, and it taught

580
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 9: me a real, real lesson. Got out to LA twenty eleven,

581
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 9: twenty twelve, thirteen, something like that, CJ. We went over

582
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 9: there and pitched that show to ABC. You know, I'm

583
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 9: just now getting into LA. We pitched a show to ABC,

584
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 9: and then next thing, you know, a variety like posted it,

585
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 9: like on Instagram or something like that, that we might

586
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 9: be getting this show.

587
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 6: And so think about it. I'm playing basketball.

588
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 9: I think the pitch went well and then showed up

589
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 9: on Instagram and I got life going on and this stuff,

590
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 9: and then a bunch of time went by.

591
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Speaker 6: I asked my brother, I said, Yo, what what's up

592
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 6: with that show? Did we we pitched? And if they

593
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 6: put up on Instagram?

594
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 9: I learned in Hollywood that ain't not nothing until they

595
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 9: get green lit.

596
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 6: Till they get green lit.

597
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Speaker 9: That taught me real quick, don't be don't be announcing nothing,

598
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 9: don't be posting nothing, don't don't do none of that

599
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 9: until it's green lit. That was a rude awakening for me,

600
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 9: But I learned that real quick. Shut up, shut up

601
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 9: talking about it, because then you're gonna look crazy when

602
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Speaker 9: you go somewhere and people start asking you about like

603
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Speaker 9: I've seen that project you posted words.

604
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 6: It's still where it is.

605
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, not only that, you'd be surprised how much

606
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Speaker 2: or how often it happens where they do green light

607
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: stuff and then they pay.

608
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Speaker 6: You not to do it. Yes, I know, yeah that

609
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Speaker 6: too too.

610
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Speaker 2: You know you you mentioned that like you you wanted

611
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Speaker 2: to tell certain stores and it not always be about

612
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: the economics.

613
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Speaker 1: So you know, for you, how does a story register

614
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Speaker 1: with you?

615
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: Like?

616
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: What what makes you say, yes, I want to jump

617
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: in and do this.

618
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 9: Man, that's a good question. I think I've done it

619
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 9: from different aspects.

620
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Speaker 6: Now.

621
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 9: Obviously with our production company, we get a chance to

622
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 9: tell stories from the ground all the way up. I

623
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 9: also entered a project called Origin on the investment side.

624
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 9: Now that was different, right, that's different because yes, yes, yes,

625
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 9: it's an amazing story, and you like, yes, I'm investing it,

626
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 9: and then you you know, figuring out the financial, financial

627
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 9: aspects and all of that. But I think I think

628
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 9: for me, what makes me want to lean into the

629
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 9: story is the storytelling, right, how it's being told, who's

630
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 9: telling it, where is it going to go or whatnot?

631
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Speaker 6: And like we said, everyone has.

632
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Speaker 9: A story from a different dvantage point, and so I

633
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 9: think once I hear it or see along with my team,

634
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Speaker 9: we sort of go from there.

635
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Speaker 2: So what did you learn about the industry and the

636
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: business investing in origins? Like from that perspective, what did

637
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: that teach you?

638
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: That experience, Man.

639
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 9: It taught me about the process, right, the unbelievable process,

640
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 9: the vision, the traveling, how things change, that's what really happens.

641
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 9: Things change really quick in production and how it needs

642
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 9: to shift and you may have to invest a little

643
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 9: bit more here, I tell you, it's crazy. I'm thinking

644
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 9: about it. I played, you know, my first six years

645
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 9: in NBA, played for the New Orleans Hornets my rookie

646
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 9: year though Hurricane Katrina happened a month before, a month

647
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 9: after I got drafted. So I played my first two

648
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 9: years at Oklahoma City. Then I went back to New Orleans.

649
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 9: And this is what I learned as a young kid too.

650
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 9: I didn't realize they shot a lot of movies in

651
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Speaker 9: New Orleans, right, I was twenty something years old. I

652
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 9: was like, why did shoot movies here in New Orleans?

653
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 9: And then I heard because of the tax breaks and

654
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 9: all that. So any y'all remember a movie called Hurricane Season. Yeah,

655
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 9: so Hurricane Season was Tim's story shot. I used to

656
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 9: get out of practice and me and my brother would

657
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 9: go sit over there on the set. We would just

658
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Speaker 9: go sit over there on the set and watch and

659
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 9: see how they made the movie.

660
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Speaker 6: Wayne was in the movie. I think bow Wow was

661
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Speaker 6: in it. Who was the coach? Who? Yeah?

662
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, forts was the coach? Taraji was in it.

663
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Speaker 9: And we would I would just go over there every

664
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 9: day and sit and watch them make that movie. And

665
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 9: so all of that has always stuck with me. And

666
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 9: so there was a guy who was like the director

667
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 9: of the basketball being played in it. Right, you know,

668
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 9: anytime that there's a commercial or something, there's somebody there

669
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 9: to direct and make sure that the basketball looks like basketball.

670
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 9: Some of these shows it don't look like basketball. Some

671
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 9: of it it don't look like football.

672
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

673
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 9: What's crazy is the guy who was directing then for

674
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 9: the basketball in that movie, his daughter and my daughter play.

675
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 6: On the same basketball team now in La. Yeah.

676
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 9: It's crazy how it comes around full circle. But at

677
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 9: that time in my life, I was just going to

678
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 9: hang out with way Ain't and Bao out them, but

679
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 9: not realizing the whole time that someday I would have

680
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 9: my own production company.

681
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a quick break and

682
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: we have more to come on politics. Well, so far,

683
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: you guys have been able to make some great content.

684
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: But what have been some of the challenges that you

685
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: faced as you tried to build this company up?

686
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 6: Man, some of the challenges.

687
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 9: Some of the challenges is obviously sometimes there are really

688
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 9: important stories that you're really passionate about, and you have

689
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 9: to understand that everyone is just not going to be

690
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 9: as passionate as you are, right, Like that is real.

691
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 9: Like some stuff you know you're telling people, man, this

692
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 9: is they will love this, They will love this or whatnot,

693
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 9: but they may not. Right So, I feel like we

694
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 9: made some very meaningful projects already. Not one is more

695
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 9: important than the other, because every story is different. I

696
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 9: think probably one of the most challenging that we would

697
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 9: love to tell, or I know I would love to tell,

698
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 9: is a story of a story called sixty one, right,

699
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 9: And that's a story that's very meaningful to me. And

700
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 9: it's about my late grandfather who was murdered when I

701
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 9: was seventeen years old. And what's amazing about it is

702
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 9: we have a script, we have a writer. We went

703
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 9: through the whole process with I can say it with Disney,

704
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 9: went down the road with him, everything like that. I

705
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 9: was so excited or whatnot. And it was like this

706
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 9: supposed to be greenlit or whatnot. And it didn't happen, right,

707
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 9: And I wrote a book. I actually wrote a book,

708
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 9: sixty won Lessons from Grandfather, from Grandpa. My grandfather had

709
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 9: the first black owned service station in North Carolina. So

710
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 9: I grew up working at a service station. Anytime I

711
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 9: wanted Jordan's kicks, anything like that. My granddaddy, he used

712
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 9: to walk around with a big wad of money in

713
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 9: his back pocket. Papa had a bank roll right right,

714
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 9: But like anytime I wanted something, he wouldn't just give

715
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 9: it to me.

716
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 6: He make me and my brother come work. He make

717
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 6: us come work.

718
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 9: And I always say that taught me so much because

719
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 9: as a kid, you think like now as an adult,

720
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 9: when you hear someone own something, you think that everybody

721
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 9: else works for them.

722
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 6: Right.

723
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 9: My grandfather owned this service station and it was a Chevron,

724
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 9: and every time you answered the phone, you had to

725
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 9: answer you had to say Jones Chevron Jones Chevron. The

726
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 9: phone number was seven two three two two three two.

727
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 9: That's crazy, I still remember that. Yeah, but that's that's

728
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 9: where I worked at during the.

729
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 6: Summer, right with my grandfather.

730
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 9: And so I wrote a book about, of course losing him,

731
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 9: but all the life lessons and.

732
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 6: My grandfather.

733
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 9: I signed my letter of intent to go to wait

734
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 9: for US November fourteenth, two thousand and two. The very

735
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 9: next day, my grandfather was murdered by five teenagers. November nineteenth,

736
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 9: two thousand and two, was his funeral, And the very

737
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 9: next day was the first game of my senior year.

738
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 9: I scored sixty one points in that game, right, I

739
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 9: had fifty nine, drove to the lane, showed the float,

740
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 9: shot a floater and got fouled, had sixty one, went

741
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 9: to the free throw line and threw the ball out

742
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 9: of bounds, And I remember walking off and hugging my

743
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 9: dad and my family. And it's the most meaningful game

744
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 9: that I've ever played in. And yeah, I would love

745
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 9: to tell that story about family, about perseverance, life. I

746
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 9: remember I did Good Morning America after that. I was

747
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 9: on there stuttering like crazy. But all the those life

748
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 9: lessons that I learned growing up in the South, being

749
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 9: at church four or five days a week, you know

750
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 9: what I'm saying, Like, seriously, I was a church all day,

751
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 9: all day. But those those stories. If not for that,

752
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 9: I'm not who I am.

753
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: So what happened with Disney? It just kind of went away?

754
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we need to figure out how we're

755
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 9: gonna revive.

756
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 6: We gotta figure figure something out.

757
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: Well, I think everybody in this room just hurt a

758
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: heck of a pitch. So I'm sure thank you. If

759
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: not Disney, it will be you know, someone else.

760
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: Uh you said that no project that you've done is

761
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: more important than the other one, but I'm sure there

762
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: had to be one or two, maybe even more than that.

763
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: Were you after it was done with? Like, I can't

764
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: believe we actually pulled that off. So what among your

765
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: mini projects would you would you put.

766
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 6: In that category? That's a that's you're right.

767
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 9: We did blackball, we did the day the day sport

768
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 9: the day sports stood still, and you guys remember the

769
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 9: pandemic very vividly in here.

770
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 6: Huh Yeah.

771
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 9: So I was actually I was the president of the

772
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 9: Players Association for eight years, right, So that's meetings, all

773
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 9: this different type stuff, And that was actually my game.

774
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 9: It was an NBA game when like the pandemic stuff happened.

775
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 9: We were playing against the Utah Jazz. Person ran across

776
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 9: the court stopped the game. And I'm gonna tell you

777
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 9: the way my mom worked. Right, we were literally about

778
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 9: to do the jump ball. Guy named Donnie Strack, who

779
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 9: worked for the Thunder came running to the court to

780
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 9: the referees and I'm talking my jersey and I'm what

781
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 9: the hell going on?

782
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 6: Right?

783
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 9: That was my initial reaction, and I started looking around

784
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 9: because whenever I see some somebody start panicking in a

785
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 9: lot in a crowded arena, I'm looking for an active shooter.

786
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 6: I thought.

787
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: Somebody entertainer say, because we run, because we run, run, ye,

788
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: we ain't gonna talk about it.

789
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 6: Get up right now, all gone, don't.

790
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 9: Get moving, Jamay, I'm gonna tell you to kick your

791
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 9: shoes off, and you better catch up your husband someone

792
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 9: you better grab them because I'm gone, I'm gone save yourself.

793
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 9: But but that that game, right, so I remember everything.

794
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 9: So then they made us go back to the locker room. Right,

795
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 9: we had to take our uniform off everything. Because this

796
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 9: is the beginning of COVID. Everybody don't know what all

797
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 9: of this is. They made everybody on the team go

798
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 9: back to their own like apartments.

799
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Speaker 6: Or houses or whatnot.

800
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 9: It's funny because Shae and Shae was a second year

801
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 9: player and Darius basically was rookies.

802
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 6: Because I had a chef. They came to my house,

803
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 6: so they broke the rules to begin with.

804
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 9: But as we got back to my house, my like

805
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 9: producing hat immediately went on.

806
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 6: Right.

807
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 9: I started filming things right. I remember the flight that

808
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 9: it took me like six days to finally get a

809
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 9: plane that would take me back to be with my family.

810
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 9: While I'm sitting in the car, I'm video on, I'm filming,

811
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 9: I'm capturing all this content because I immediately started thinking

812
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 9: this will be a great story to tell. And sure enough,

813
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 9: we made a film called The Day Sports Stood Steal.

814
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 6: So that was very meaningful.

815
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 9: Along with the projects that we did Why Not Us,

816
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 9: which was highlighting HBCUs and being able to tell their stories.

817
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 9: We told a story about North Carolina Central University and

818
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 9: how their team is always one of the best teams

819
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 9: every single year is at HBCU and they only have

820
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 9: two goals, right, so they practice where they play. You know,

821
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 9: you going to any of these facilities. Now is basketball

822
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 9: goals on the wall?

823
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 6: They got eight eight.

824
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 9: Baskets so guys can practice free throws. They got two

825
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 9: baskets and they make it work.

826
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: So, since you clearly have established a pattern of recognizing

827
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: a good story and starting to shoot your own footage,

828
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: are you doing that in terms of you know your

829
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: own career? Because when you think about when it is over,

830
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: are we capturing ourselves and especially with this maybe being

831
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: your last season?

832
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 9: Yes, I would like to write if I play another year,

833
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 9: And that's the hardest thing for me.

834
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 6: Right.

835
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 9: I've done that when I did Chapter three. But everybody

836
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 9: around me they always saying you got it. I'd be like, man,

837
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 9: I don't want them cameras around me. But I also

838
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 9: see the bigger picture, right, because there's a lot of things.

839
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 9: Whereas guys see the games, right, they don't see us

840
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 9: going to pick up our kids from school. They don't

841
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 9: see us right there doing homework with them. They don't

842
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 9: see the heartache and the pain from calling granny or

843
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 9: the voice notes of not getting a chance to see

844
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 9: your family, not getting a chance to see your friends.

845
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 6: Right now, don't get me wrong, I love what I do.

846
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 6: I love it. I love it. I love it.

847
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 9: I'm not complaining, but there is a human aspect to it.

848
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 9: And that's why the mental health that a lot of

849
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 9: guys talk about, I tell you, as much as I

850
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 9: love to play basketball, this past season was extremely tough

851
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 9: for me on my mental because I go play a game, right,

852
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 9: a very highly competitive game for two and a half hours,

853
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 9: and I would go home to an empty house and

854
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 9: a lot of people.

855
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 6: I'll tell you this because I didn't heard it.

856
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 9: They say, oh, well, you tripping, that's your fault because

857
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 9: you should have just flew your kids and your wipe

858
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 9: them out there to live with you or whatnot. But

859
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 9: I actually my kids had been to five different schools,

860
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 9: six different.

861
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 6: Schools in six consecutive years. Right.

862
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 9: So thankfully my parents, me and my brother we had

863
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 9: the same friends growing up.

864
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 6: We still got a group chat with our homies that

865
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 6: we grew up with. Right. We go on a trip

866
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 6: once a year with the homies that I grew up with.

867
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 9: And so I wanted my kids to have some sense

868
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 9: of normalcy, right, And that is why they stay where

869
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 9: they are now. And if it's got to be hard

870
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 9: on anybody, I don't want it hard.

871
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 6: On them. I'd rather it hard be on me.

872
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get everybody a hands up.

873
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: In about ten minutes, we will have since Q and

874
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: a period, so you all can ask Chris.

875
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: Whatever you would like.

876
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: Make sure you keep throwing Lakers questions, and I'm sure

877
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: he really enjoys that. You know, I know that when

878
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: you're still playing, it's often difficult to think about your

879
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: legacy and to reflect because you're still very much in

880
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: that mode. But you know, nevertheless, when you think about

881
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: your career as a basketball player, even the things you've

882
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: been able to do outside of it, like how when

883
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 2: you whenever that time comes when you do leave the game,

884
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: how do you want people to remember you?

885
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 6: Man?

886
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 9: That's that's a really good question too, because I don't

887
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 9: think about it that often actually, because I'm just I'm

888
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 9: in it, right, I'm so I'm so in it that

889
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 9: what I've learned is that.

890
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 6: Some people don't like you, some people not right.

891
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 9: And in the position that I've been in, I have

892
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 9: always had to be okay with not being liked.

893
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 6: It's a whole bunch of people that don't like me,

894
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 6: and I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it.

895
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 9: One thing that I learned and being the president of

896
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 9: the union, right because I was the president for eight years.

897
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 9: I was on the executive committee for seven years. And

898
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 9: that job is not paid or anything. You represent four

899
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 9: hundred and fifty of the most famous people in the world.

900
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 6: Right. That's the thing about our sport.

901
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 9: We don't wear a helmet, so everywhere we go, everybody

902
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 9: knows who we are, right, and guys have big voices

903
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 9: and big platforms. One thing that I've learned about being

904
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 9: the president, or if you're the CEO, the boss, or

905
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 9: it's like somebody being the head coach, is that you

906
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 9: don't get a chance to say, man, I should have

907
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 9: did this. So you got to be a decision maker, right,

908
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 9: You got to be a decision maker. So when we

909
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 9: decided that we were going to go to the bubble, man,

910
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 9: I wish y'all knew how many guys was talking so

911
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 9: crazy to me, talking so crazy?

912
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 6: Share with the class. No, no, no, no, no no. We'll

913
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 6: do that storytelling at some point.

914
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 9: But I've always said, in that position as president of

915
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 9: the PA, it wasn't C three LLC.

916
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 6: Right.

917
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 9: I had to be the boys for all the guys

918
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 9: that played in the league, Right, a lot of the

919
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 9: young guys when the pandemic happened, they didn't see that coming, right,

920
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 9: So if we don't go and try to do the

921
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 9: social justice and all the stuff that we did in

922
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 9: the bubble, it would have been a huge setback for

923
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 9: them financially, certain guys who may have got their MoMA

924
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 9: home or something like that. And so you got a

925
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 9: lot of the big money guys who like.

926
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 6: Man, we'll chill, we cool.

927
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 9: But the league represents everybody, the middle class, the young guys,

928
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 9: and the vets. So when I'm done, I hope that

929
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 9: I just remember that I competed, that I played hard.

930
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 6: And then there was a shift in the mindset of

931
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 6: the players.

932
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 9: It was a huge shift in the mindset of the players,

933
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 9: and that the way we look at ownership, the way

934
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 9: guys think about their mental health, their family, their finance.

935
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 9: There been so many jokes over the years about guys

936
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 9: going broke. Right as they see a professional athlete go broke, everybody.

937
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 6: Be like, man, how the hell he blow thirty million?

938
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 9: But it's easier than you think, especially in our communities

939
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 9: where a lot of times we don't talk about money,

940
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 9: and we don't talk about finance and so yeah, I

941
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 9: think that's that's a big thing. I hope that guys

942
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 9: continue to lean on each other and talk to each other,

943
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 9: because it's really hard. You're set up and you're built

944
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 9: up your whole life, and then it just sort of stops.

945
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: Speaking of the bubble, you know, there was obviously a

946
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: moment where the players took a pause and didn't play

947
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: after Jacob Blake what happened with him being shot by police?

948
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: How close were you all to not resuming the season?

949
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 6: Very close?

950
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 9: And man, you just taking me all the way back

951
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 9: there because I felt it.

952
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 6: Was some of the toughest things, right.

953
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 9: Like I remember being on the bus and my phone

954
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 9: rang and it was Damian Lillard. Like we were on

955
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 9: the bus headed our game against the Houston Rockets, right

956
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 9: and Shay turned around and said, Yo, see Milwaukee ain't

957
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 9: come out.

958
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 6: And then I went into.

959
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 9: I'm not now a player getting ready for a game.

960
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 9: My phone rung and it's Damian Lillard. He's yo, see

961
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 9: what we're doing? Bron called Adam Silver called right, So

962
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 9: now I got to figure out to navigate what we're

963
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 9: gonna do.

964
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 6: We canceled that game.

965
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 9: Now I had to call the lady that was running

966
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 9: the property for us and get one hundred and something

967
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 9: chairs put in a ball room so that we can

968
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 9: meet and talk about what we're going to do.

969
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 6: Then I actually got on the phone with Jacob Blake's dad.

970
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 9: Who was going to address all of the players before

971
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 9: we had this big meet, which, ironically enough, Jacob Blake's

972
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 9: dad had spent time in Winston Salem, North Carolina and

973
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 9: knew my grandfather's service station, which was wild. But yeah,

974
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 9: it's a lot of stuff and a lot of stories

975
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 9: that for a lot of years. You know, I just

976
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 9: been hooping and playing and I know a lot but

977
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 9: don't tell a lot. But I think some of these

978
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 9: stories need to be told. Obviously, the situation with Kobe

979
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 9: and me going to the Lakers, right, there's a lot of.

980
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 6: People who say what what happened or what they think? Knew?

981
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 6: I lived it, so I think I know a little

982
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 6: bit better than some of these other people.

983
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: Are the conspiracy theorists right on that one?

984
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 6: Or which one? Okay, so it was.

985
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.

986
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: I mean this was somewhat reported that Dan Gilbert had

987
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: a lot to do with why that trade didn't happen,

988
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: that the forces that other owners basically shut that down

989
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: because they didn't want to see the Lakers, you know,

990
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: you and Lebron join and thus another super team. They

991
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: wanted to shut down player empowerment period by sending the

992
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: message that no, y'all don't get the orchestra where y'all go.

993
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was part of it.

994
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 9: I was on the executive committee, so we just came

995
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 9: out of the CBA negotiations. But obviously me and co

996
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 9: we got on the phone right like we thought it

997
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 9: was happening, and one day I talk about the conversations

998
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 9: we had.

999
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: Okay, but yes, that was I can't wait till that story,

1000
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: as told, I can't wait till that documentary comes out

1001
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: about why you didn't wind up playing with him. So nevertheless,

1002
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: as we talked about the trend of athletes sort of

1003
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: jumping into this arena of film and TV work, what

1004
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: would you say to those athletes who want to do

1005
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: what you have been able to do.

1006
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say, first and foremost, I don't think

1007
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 9: everyone has to start.

1008
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 6: Their own production company, right.

1009
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 9: I think that guys also need to be comfortable with

1010
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 9: doing things together, like collaborate. I think sometimes there's a

1011
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 9: me too thing where this guy, Like, Oh, he doing that,

1012
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 9: I can do it too, where sometimes you're stronger together

1013
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 9: and the way we've been sort of.

1014
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 6: Portrayed all this time. I say this all the time.

1015
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 9: If you pick up the TV, if you pick up

1016
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 9: the turn the TV on, sometimes it's not even gonna

1017
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 9: say Oklahoma City versus Indiana paces. It's gonna say Shay

1018
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 9: versus Halliburton. Right, So, I don't care who you are.

1019
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 9: That's sort of kind of programming. So it tries it

1020
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 9: almost makes you always be like, it's me against him,

1021
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 9: it's me against him, it's me against him, instead of

1022
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 9: really understanding that you can collaborate on certain things and

1023
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 9: tell tell the tell the stories that you want to tell.

1024
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 9: Don't let somebody else tell you what you want to do, right, Like, So, I,

1025
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 9: like I said, I'm a consumer, right I I also

1026
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 9: want to tell stories of black families. Right any y'all

1027
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 9: in here watched forever? Oh yeah, yeah, like and yeah, Mara,

1028
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 9: who did that? She believe I don't know she here,

1029
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 9: but shout out to you listen.

1030
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 6: But but what's.

1031
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 9: Amazing about that, right is I have a bunch of

1032
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 9: shows that I watch when I'm on the road by myself, right,

1033
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 9: like Beauty and Black was not going to watch with

1034
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 9: my kids, right, y'all see that?

1035
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was wild. Yeah.

1036
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 9: But like I said, I watch everything, and so it

1037
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 9: was so dope for me to get a chance to

1038
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 9: watch forever with my kids, right, to actually have a show.

1039
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 9: It's only a few shows I've ever been able to

1040
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying like why, but I'm just saying,

1041
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 9: like shows to watch with your kids. And we watched

1042
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 9: that show and I'm still at that point too, where

1043
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 9: the little sex scenes I'm looking over at my daughter.

1044
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 9: Then now I get you uncomfortable as a parent, right

1045
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 9: because my daughter looked down at her phone out like

1046
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 9: she ain't looking.

1047
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, mean, you see the TV. You see

1048
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 6: the TV.

1049
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 9: But it was so dope to watch because in these shows,

1050
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 9: if y'all see y'all y'all seeing it, you see the

1051
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 9: living rooms, right, you see the black art showing up, right,

1052
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 9: So just like a different world and these shows the

1053
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 9: Cosby Show when you was growing up or whatnot, I

1054
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 9: think it's really dope that the black art and the

1055
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 9: culture is being integrated into these TV shows.

1056
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 6: So I want to continue to elevate and do that.

1057
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 9: Because I'll tell y'all because any Jeff, your kids go

1058
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 9: to Campbell Hall. So in that show, which was crazy

1059
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 9: to me, I didn't realize that one of the kids

1060
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 9: went to Camden Hall, right, that was the school he

1061
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 9: went to. My kids go to Kimball Hall. The school

1062
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 9: that they was playing against was something would is it?

1063
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 6: I don't know, brook it was Brooke Wood.

1064
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 9: The school out there is Brentwood, you know what I mean.

1065
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 9: So the connectivity, and I think that's really important for

1066
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 9: kids is to be able to see themselves. Right, If

1067
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 9: kids can see themselves and some of these shows or whatnot,

1068
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 9: that's what we all do as humans. We try to

1069
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 9: see how we relate to these characters.

1070
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 6: And I enjoy that part of it.

1071
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: In episode four you might hear familiar voice, oh yeah,

1072
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: which was phenomenal me. Judy Bloom is one of the

1073
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: greatest authors ever and so to see that being done

1074
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: in that way was incredible, truly exceptional work. So we're

1075
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: gonna go to questions in a in a second here,

1076
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: but before we wrap up our conversation, since you mentioned

1077
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: that you watch The Wire, I think The Wire is

1078
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: the greatest television drama ever made. You know, debate you, auntie,

1079
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: So you have to give me what is your order

1080
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: in terms of best seasons of the Wires. So for me,

1081
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 2: it is I think it's season I go three three

1082
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: one or not three yet? Three one four or three

1083
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: four one two five?

1084
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 6: You damn damn you know it. Listen. Let me tell you.

1085
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 9: You know what's interesting is when I watched the Wire,

1086
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 9: people try to tell me that I didn't need to

1087
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 9: watch the season at the Docks. Y'all ever heard that

1088
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 9: people be saying that you don't have to watch that.

1089
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 6: Yes you do, yes, yes you do.

1090
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: It ties everything together.

1091
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 6: It's the Bridge season. It ties everything together.

1092
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 9: And for me, right like anytime I'm somewhere in whatever city,

1093
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 9: it is like when I go to Baltimore and whatever

1094
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 9: and I see all of the shipping containers or whatnot,

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Speaker 9: I think.

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Speaker 6: About the Wire.

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Speaker 9: If I'm out in l A and I ride out

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Speaker 9: the Long Beach, That's how I mean. I'm a conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 9: I'll be like, man, what they got in them? I'd

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Speaker 9: be like, what they got? But all that comes from

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Speaker 9: from watching no show?

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Speaker 1: So which one was your favorite season?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Man, I don't know, I say, I probably the Docs.

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Speaker 6: Then I like the Docs season yeah, not season four

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Speaker 6: with the kids.

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Speaker 9: Man, I don't remember it all like that, but to

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Speaker 9: watch it every year, I mean that's well. I like

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Speaker 9: it enough that my my my Uber I said, my

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Speaker 9: Uber alias is Avon Barsdale.

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Speaker 6: They pull up, they'd be like, Avon Avon, that's my

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Speaker 6: that's my aliens.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now now all the uber drivers know, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I might have to switch it up, string a bell

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Speaker 6: or something.

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Speaker 2: One more segment to go coming up next, the final Spin.

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Speaker 2: Time down for the final spin the topic, Zorn Mamdani

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Speaker 2: wins the New York City Democratic mayorial primary. The spin

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Speaker 2: New York City is the clearest warning yet of what

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Speaker 2: happens to a society when it fails to control migration. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you think that sounds racist and xenophobic, it is,

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Speaker 2: But let me tell you who said it. Those were

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Speaker 2: the exact words of Stephen Miller, Donald Trump's Deputy chief

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Speaker 2: of Staff for Policy and Home Land Security advisor. He

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Speaker 2: is the mastermind of the mass deportations that you are

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Speaker 2: seeing now. The truth Republicans and Democrats are both frightened

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Speaker 2: by Mamdani's stunning victory. Why because it's deeply upsetting to

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Speaker 2: the establishment. Mandanni is a Democratic socialist, and he's labeled

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Speaker 2: Israel committing a perpetual genocide. He's young, he's principled, He's

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Speaker 2: not influenced by big money because they didn't have any.

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Speaker 2: It said everything that both Trump and establishment Democrats endorsed

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo. It also says something that young people and

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Speaker 2: progressive said not today. Andrew Cuomo has been accused of

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Speaker 2: sexual harassment numerous times by numerous women. The reason Democrat

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Speaker 2: approval ratings is in the sewer is because they don't

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Speaker 2: seem to get that their base wants significant regime change.

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Speaker 2: They don't want undying, unchecked loyalty to Israel, and they

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Speaker 2: don't want somebody who feels Republican life. Despite Mundigning being

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Speaker 2: far left, the reason he won is because his economic

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Speaker 2: message resonated across the board. White people, black people, Jewish people,

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Speaker 2: everybody rent as toudamn. High businesses and billionaires need to

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Speaker 2: pay more taxes.

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Speaker 3: Why is this even remotely controversial?

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Speaker 2: Democrats have been running campaigns on old rules and old

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Speaker 2: methods that don't work, and they wonder why they get

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00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: malliwobbed in national elections or key elections despite having more

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Speaker 2: popular policies. Mamdani feels relatable, he has authenticity, and authenticity

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Speaker 2: will be big money every single time.

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Speaker 1: All right, That.

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