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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris Johnson. And Chris is

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Speaker 1: having conversations with influencers in the sports world and entertainment

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Speaker 1: in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now tuned

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Speaker 1: into kJ Live. Today's guests to the show is a

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Speaker 1: March Madness legend. Start at the University of Rhode Island

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Speaker 1: in the backcourt with Patino Mobil, considered one of the

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Speaker 1: best backcourts in the history of college basketball. Later went

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Speaker 1: on to play in the NBA and overseas Italy and

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Speaker 1: other countries. Let's welcome Tyson Wheeler to the show. What's up, Tyson?

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Speaker 1: What's upkay Jee? I appreciate you having me on. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I know you got all the U best guests on here,

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Speaker 1: so I'm excited to be on here and very humble. Well,

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Speaker 1: I thank you. I don't know if I have the

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Speaker 1: best guests, but I have the most people I think

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Speaker 1: are the best, and so I think that most important

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Speaker 1: and you fall into that category. My man. Congratulations on

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Speaker 1: your tenure at the U mass uh coaching right now,

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Speaker 1: you're a free agent. Uh, let's talk about the process

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Speaker 1: for you. Kind of the day, day to day grind

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Speaker 1: of of a college coach. Having coach finished the season

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Speaker 1: now has to look for another situation. Talk about what

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Speaker 1: that looks like. Well, I think, Um, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: it's gonna this is my thirteenth season coaching, so, UM,

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Speaker 1: I've been in for a while, going by pretty fast.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I remember playing for ten years professionally

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Speaker 1: and I thought that was a long time. And I'm

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Speaker 1: already passed that as a coach. Um. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: a process. You know, it happens in the business. You

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Speaker 1: don't win enough, they let you go. So you know,

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Speaker 1: for me, you know, I have to try to find

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Speaker 1: a new job anywhere in the country. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: been coaching now for thirteen years, like I said before,

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Speaker 1: and I basically always been on the East Coast. Now

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking to, you know, make a move.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't mind staying on the East Coast

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Speaker 1: close home. I'm from Connecticut. Um, there's some openings in

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Speaker 1: but you know, I have to keep my options over

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Speaker 1: yeah you do. UM, talk a little bit about just

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Speaker 1: how maybe the coaching game has changed from when you

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Speaker 1: now being on the other side doing the recruiting recruiting players.

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Speaker 1: How much has the game changed in that twenty five years, Spanners,

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Speaker 1: So it's changed tremendously. Um. You know, back when we

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Speaker 1: were getting recruited, it seemed like coaches were everywhere at

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Speaker 1: school practices, at games. You know, you pull up and

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Speaker 1: the coach will be there, And I think that was

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Speaker 1: very beneficial for us in our evaluation of our talent

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Speaker 1: and where we should be playing. UM. I think nowadays,

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Speaker 1: as as a college coach, we don't get as much

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Speaker 1: time to really evaluate the kids. Uh, we may see

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Speaker 1: him two or three times because we're flying all over

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Speaker 1: the place because we have a shorter period to evaluate them.

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Speaker 1: So then we rely on scouting services UM and not

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Speaker 1: our own eye. So it could be kind of messy

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Speaker 1: when you you see a kid played great one weekend,

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Speaker 1: if he's at that level. But then the dynamic comes

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Speaker 1: where if you're at you Mass, you get a Miami

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Speaker 1: it's changed a lot, and I think back when we

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Speaker 1: Is that because the there was more flexibility with like

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Speaker 1: why why are coaches nowadays not allowed to see players

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Speaker 1: At your eyes, I don't think it's bad at all.

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Speaker 1: And the game was so different as far as the

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Speaker 1: AU there's there was just so much more emphasis on

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Speaker 1: How much do you know back in the day got

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Speaker 1: you mean, like, um, the the like an assistant coach

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Speaker 1: Is that is that really is? Does that really give

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Speaker 1: in the AU circle, um to get kids, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, it does a beneficial for coaches to know

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Speaker 1: give me a lego. Absolutely, that's good, man. You gotta

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Speaker 1: So you have to you have to win right away

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Speaker 1: three years to be good. Yeah. No, that makes total sense.

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Speaker 1: And this is something I think that started has been

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Speaker 1: I felt it in two thousand fourteen fifteen when my

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Speaker 1: a guy that played in the MEAK or you know,

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Speaker 1: I was like, dang, he bringing all these thousand points

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Speaker 1: But but all that to be said, that's the game.

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Speaker 1: he can't guard. We we forgot about the offense and

429
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Speaker 1: it turned into a one on one game and he

430
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Speaker 1: saw that, and our confidence was so high, and our

431
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Speaker 1: guys that came out the bitch like Preston Murphy. He

432
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Speaker 1: was getting busy and he's like, I'll just give me

433
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Speaker 1: a ball back. Give me the ball back. I got him.

434
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Speaker 1: I was like, go to work. But that's a great

435
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Speaker 1: point you just made because that's exactly how it happened

436
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Speaker 1: for us. Now. I think that's one of his best

437
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Speaker 1: qualities as a coach man is where he understands that

438
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Speaker 1: he knows how to lock that he knows how to

439
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: lock in with you when you're locked in, like he

440
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: gets there with you and it's like okay, right, because

441
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: he's done that with me. Man. I dropped. I dropped

442
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Speaker 1: thirty six on How, thirty on Washington, you know, cal

443
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Speaker 1: twenty five and a half. And when I when I

444
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Speaker 1: got rolland I'm talking about he's calling it, I forgot

445
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: what play it was. It was something off I won

446
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Speaker 1: four off the pipe. I would I would either enter

447
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: it and then cut off that thing and get to

448
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: the block, but he just kept getting me down there.

449
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: So now, whatever it was you know we're doing handdogs.

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Speaker 1: I would be the inner guys. I run the guy

451
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Speaker 1: like ten straight times. He's just kept calling the dogs

452
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Speaker 1: and I just kept hitting and but but that was

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Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, I always like would ride

454
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Speaker 1: or died from coach Herrick because he would he would

455
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 1: have that at confidence like in you. You know, it's

456
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Speaker 1: at absolutely and that's what that's why we went so far.

457
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Speaker 1: If you look back at our statistics in those games,

458
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: we had different guys leading and scoring, and we have

459
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: multiple guys and double figures, and he's just in different games.

460
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Speaker 1: So you know, one game it would be Antonio will

461
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Speaker 1: have like fifteen and tenant then Luther Clay, who was

462
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: a top five player coming to high school, uh would

463
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Speaker 1: have ten, and that I would have penty to the

464
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: Presson would have sixteen, Josh King would have So we

465
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: were rolling and we thought we should we could have

466
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Speaker 1: went to the final four. No man, and you guys

467
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: were right there. You go down in history. Is one

468
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: of those type of you know, best of teams that

469
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: didn't make it. One of the toughest backcourts that we've

470
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: ever seen on the college level. You and coatino um

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that here, No, I let it talk to

472
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Speaker 1: cat man. But but on the rim man, you guys man,

473
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: looking back on just you know, having seen a bunch

474
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Speaker 1: of backcourts, dog, and having seen a bunch of ball players,

475
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: really good guys in the backcourt together, like y'all, there's

476
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: more than just be two really good guards, one good

477
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Speaker 1: shooting guard, one guy. It's a style, it's a rhythm,

478
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: it's a flare. It's a sweetness associated with the way

479
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: y'all got y'all buckets. Okay, so I'm telling you nobody

480
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: did it sweeter than y'all too got lefties, are you kiddy? Dog?

481
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Speaker 1: I'm a fan fact. There is still a fair now,

482
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: my man. Uh. Of all the teams that are left

483
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Speaker 1: as far as are underdogs that are in the sweet six, team,

484
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: what team, if you have one, do you think is

485
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: most capable, most built, most ready to make that run

486
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Speaker 1: to the championship game, not just the final four, but

487
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: to get all the way. I mean, because you remember,

488
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: like teams like Indiana with Mike Davis and Butler, these

489
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: teams that made it all the way to the championship game,

490
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: they were like, damn, they almost did it. Is the

491
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Speaker 1: A team is there a team like that that's remaining

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Speaker 1: in the Sweet six, team that you think get all

493
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Speaker 1: the way to the to the title game. Well, I

494
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: would say, yes, there is. I mean, I love UM Arizona, Okay,

495
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: I love Houston. They play each other. Yeah, you know,

496
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: Houston is tough. I'm a very big Purdue fan because

497
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: he runs some great things. UM Providence. I gotta go

498
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Speaker 1: with my boy cool. I think they can get to

499
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: Elite eight. Okay, okay, But you know who also is

500
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: playing really well? Your squad U c l A. You know,

501
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: Nick does a great job of getting those guys to

502
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: play hard. They have a point guard that gets guys shots,

503
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: but he's also scoring a lot more than year. You know,

504
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: in the tournament, you need a little guarden to get

505
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: buckets for you. Absolutely U. So, I mean there's there's

506
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: so many good teams in this Texas Tech is playing

507
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: really well. Villanova looks good. I mean, I don't know.

508
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough to decide, but there are a

509
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: lot of good teams that can go all the way.

510
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna come down to Arizona and contag

511
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Speaker 1: And I think because they have the most depth as

512
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Speaker 1: far as size guards, and like x active type dudes

513
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: that can come in and make a play on the

514
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: college level when you have this plethora of dudes, like

515
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: when you watch Arizona plate man, like the way they

516
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: play the game, their transition game, how quickly they get

517
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: it out, how intent they are on high low, that focus,

518
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: and then it automatically gonna open stuff up like it's

519
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: gonna wear on you a lot of Look, they got it.

520
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: They got off easy against TCU. The stuff at the

521
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: end of that game, that was why. I don't know

522
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: if you saw that, man, boy, Oh hey, Arizona fans

523
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: is out here, try to defend it. I'm like, look, man, y'all, fella,

524
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: y'all fellas just went too far. That's it. Just leave

525
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: it at that, bro, There's no nothing but all that

526
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: to be said. If day Lind Terry and that dog

527
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: on co Loco, that seven foot, if they keep on

528
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: doing what they do, it's gonna be tough. But man,

529
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: my bruins, man, we gotta see what's up behind me.

530
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: His ankle um mix still is not I don't feel

531
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: like he's comfortable with certain rotations and the way eyes

532
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: are playing with certain guys, so he's he's you know,

533
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: in and out and a lot of guys right now

534
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: still at this stage. Yeah, you gotta figure that out.

535
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: But I gotta respect him because I gotta trust him

536
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: because he's my coach and he got us here. So yeah, yes,

537
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: sir man. But man, dude, I appreciate your time tonight. Man.

538
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: I know you can do this all night. Man. I

539
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: got nothing going all brother, Man, I I appreciate you

540
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: getting with me, bro um. This is it's an interesting

541
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: time for you. Man. I wanted to talk about I

542
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: want to just hear about like your actual process of

543
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: of of the coaching search. But you know, I know

544
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: that's probably something that you know, just kind of I

545
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: gotta keep that. But maybe maybe maybe one day you

546
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: you'll write a book, uh, and I can help you

547
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: out and I'll find out there. Oh I got play

548
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: of information for him book. Hold on a bit. Hold

549
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: over that, man. We gotta get you higher. So we're

550
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: hopefully somewhere on the West coast. Man, come out to

551
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: l A getting the good sun out there. Baby. Hey

552
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: all day, man, But I appreciate you for coming on. Bro.

553
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. Yeah, I appreciate you. Man. Next,

554
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on Baron David's show, so I can

555
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: talk about the point guards. He got all the great

556
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: point guards. I know I'm not the best, but come on, man,

557
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: you need how that bed man. You see what he's

558
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: on he got, he's got a good show. He's got

559
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: some solid dudes and there. You need to be on there.

560
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: I can't be got that level. Baby, you'd be good man. Brother,

561
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thanks all right, brother,