Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where football finally is family.
Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesley.
Speaker 1: Podcast studio next to my friend Cynthia Freeli, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned that because as we speak, Tom, Debbie and Walker
Speaker 1: Rosenthal are in the in the back, you might have
Speaker 1: a special guest at the end of the show making
Speaker 1: a special pick. And so after he was NFL's most
Speaker 1: wanted just a month ago getting booted out of the studio,
Speaker 1: he's back and your parents are arriving to the facility
Speaker 1: right at this time, so we should get going.
Speaker 2: How are you, Cynthia.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm like, you know, a little Holidays dress. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're good.
Speaker 2: We're good. It is one of those days and all good.
Speaker 1: If you listen to this show each and every week,
Speaker 1: you know we make three picks against the spread. We
Speaker 1: do Last week I sued, you know, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: great week for Cynthia, wasn't a great week for both
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: In terms of the end of that Bears Vikings game.
Speaker 2: I was very.
Speaker 1: Annoyed by Rome mcdoonza when he made that fourth down catch.
Speaker 1: I believe, I believe we have the graphic of our
Speaker 1: of our records over the course of the season.
Speaker 2: I went to in one.
Speaker 1: Not a great week for you, but still you're still
Speaker 1: over five hundred for the season.
Speaker 2: We're doing well.
Speaker 3: I'm mad about it, and it took bigger risks and
Speaker 3: you know, no risk it.
Speaker 1: No biscuit, absolutely, and we're going to make it back
Speaker 1: this week. We'll see if we have any picks on
Speaker 1: the same side. Why don't you get us going?
Speaker 3: Okay, so are all games in play?
Speaker 1: If you want to know, let's skip the Thanksgiving games.
Speaker 1: We're taping this before.
Speaker 3: I'm more worried about whatever you are.
Speaker 2: Do whatever you're Wriday and play. Sure.
Speaker 3: Give me those darn Chiefs. Okay, it's a big number,
Speaker 3: and they don't they don't like to they don't like
Speaker 3: to cover the spread. However, I got some points as
Speaker 3: to why number one. This is the team that beat
Speaker 3: the Monk Christmas last year. They're also coming off this
Speaker 3: Panthers game where they did not expect to have this
Speaker 3: like game tying drive by Bryce Young to bring it
Speaker 3: into overtime. I think we see like they went out,
Speaker 3: they got another left tackle, they're mad, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: I think they cover the number.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know I don't want to pat myself on
Speaker 1: the back. Actually I do always want to pat myself
Speaker 1: on the back. I was, I was on the other
Speaker 1: side of you with the Panthers last week. I didn't
Speaker 1: feel you there. But I only bring that up because
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I am with you, Kier, because
Speaker 1: the Raiders, to me, are much more of a dead team.
Speaker 1: Antonio Pearce even said it. Did you hear this one
Speaker 1: on on Wednesday? Say it's the best team in the
Speaker 1: league versus the worst team.
Speaker 4: In the league.
Speaker 2: You don't say that about your own.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like, look like last week they had
Speaker 3: some things to go right with Gardner minshew. I mean
Speaker 3: he had some nice throws on outbreaking around.
Speaker 1: And now he's out and it's Aidan O'Connell again, who
Speaker 1: did who did get that win in theory against the chief.
Speaker 3: By not completing a pass in three in three quarters?
Speaker 3: Don't don't let you know. Why would we want facts
Speaker 3: to get in the way of.
Speaker 1: A good offensive efficiency was very good for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: last week. There's actually the defense that let them down. Okay,
Speaker 1: so last week my number one overall pick, which cruised, yeah,
Speaker 1: was Titans plus eight and a half. They ended up
Speaker 1: just winning that game outright. I think this team has
Speaker 1: been playing better than the box score and the final
Speaker 1: score is said for a little while. I'm going back
Speaker 1: to them with my number one overall pick this week.
Speaker 1: This week they are plus five and a five plus
Speaker 1: five point five in Washington. Now, Washington, maybe they gets
Speaker 1: to win, maybe they maybe they won't.
Speaker 2: Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Maybe they win, maybe they won't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they don't. The Titans don't need
Speaker 1: to win this game. I wouldn't surprise me if they
Speaker 1: won straight up. Yeah, Washington. That offense is based around
Speaker 1: the running game and they're just not getting it going lately.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons, Harold Landry Sweat, who's been playing really good
Speaker 1: Defandre Sweat as a rookie has been great, and I
Speaker 1: think they will be able to stop the Washington run
Speaker 1: game that makes them one dimensional. I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be close. I actually kind of like what I've
Speaker 1: seeing out of Will Levis. He's a bizarre player. He
Speaker 1: almost seems to like to get tackled, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he likes to get sacked. He just
Speaker 1: wants to feel a little paid.
Speaker 3: Twenty times in three games, bless like you know, he's
Speaker 3: into it.
Speaker 2: He's into it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes in life you just need to get hit just
Speaker 1: to feel something. But he had some big time throws
Speaker 1: in that game. At one point he just wasn't throwing
Speaker 1: the ball, and the announcing crew, Jay Feeley, was like,
Speaker 1: throw it, throw it. But I think he's playing better
Speaker 1: in his second year. I think these two teams are
Speaker 1: pretty close when it comes to talent. I think the
Speaker 1: lack of talent on both sides of the ball other
Speaker 1: than Jayden and Daniels and Terry McLaurin has started to
Speaker 1: show up. Cliff Kingsbury does not make adjustments in game
Speaker 1: very well, much less in season. And the reason the
Speaker 1: Titans are better than they look is because their special
Speaker 1: teams is so bad week after weeks. So if I
Speaker 1: lose this and they lose by more than five and
Speaker 1: a half, I bet it's the special teams that gets me.
Speaker 1: But I really love Titans plus five and a half.
Speaker 3: Okay, I actually really like that one. This week too,
Speaker 3: I have a three point win for.
Speaker 2: You could go in with me if you want.
Speaker 3: You know what, it's Thanksgiving. We have to do things
Speaker 3: as a family here, great family unit here. So let's
Speaker 3: go together on that one.
Speaker 2: Okay. We were on a roll going together for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we did not do as well last
Speaker 1: week with the Vikings, But I like it. Okay, So
Speaker 1: your second pick is going to be Titans plus five
Speaker 1: and a half. Your first pick is a big old
Speaker 1: chief swin.
Speaker 3: Also, can I add something to that jeez list? Can
Speaker 3: we give a little love to Nick Westbrook Akina? The
Speaker 3: man's had six touchdowns in seven games, so the third
Speaker 3: most over that span of seven games. No one talks
Speaker 3: about him. People forget no like do is maybe his
Speaker 3: parents don't forget about it. But other than that, like
Speaker 3: we don't talk about him enough.
Speaker 1: So he'll go like two catches seventy yards, one touchdowns.
Speaker 2: It seems unpredictable, but he's.
Speaker 3: Been seven games is more than like a little unpredictable.
Speaker 2: I like that. If you need a fantasy streamer, yeah,
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 3: Because we're going on the same side then or you know,
Speaker 3: I also think, like you know, for for daily fantasy,
Speaker 3: if you're playing on Sunday, you can't use any of
Speaker 3: the four games that happened prior to that. So let's
Speaker 3: roll with n Wi Nwi.
Speaker 1: I like that all right, my second pick, since Tennessee
Speaker 1: is your second pick, I'm going Seattle minus two in
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 2: What are the numbers?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: So much about the Jets, Cynthia, because week after week
Speaker 1: the number and I feel like your computer model has
Speaker 1: been like this too, says the Jets are better than
Speaker 1: they are, Like, why are the Seahawks only two point
Speaker 1: favorites here? The Jets have been on fraud watch for
Speaker 1: me and Patrick Clayban all year, and I gotta say
Speaker 1: we might have to retire fraud watch because it's never
Speaker 1: going to go as well as it did this year
Speaker 1: with the Jets because they have been fraudulent. They've been terrible,
Speaker 1: and the Seahawks have been playing better, especially on defense
Speaker 1: the last few weeks.
Speaker 3: I don't really have any answers anymore. I the same
Speaker 3: side of you with that, but I'm not gonna put
Speaker 3: you that one because whatever. But part of the reason, like, look,
Speaker 3: the Jets, they're good at generating outside pressure. How about that?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a fact.
Speaker 1: Maybe they've been unlucky. They've lost a lot of one
Speaker 1: score games and so they're not quite it. They're not
Speaker 1: as bad as the record says they are. They're a
Speaker 1: three to eight team right now, but they're not good.
Speaker 1: And I actually think the Seahawks are a different team,
Speaker 1: correct and the one that we saw before. Thereby, the
Speaker 1: defense is playing better and better each and every week.
Speaker 1: They're stopping the run really well, and Bresee Hall is
Speaker 1: missing practice early this week and it's setting up those
Speaker 1: long yardage situations and that's where Mike McDonald sends those
Speaker 1: crazy blitzes. And I can just imagine Aaron Rodgers just
Speaker 1: making a lot of throwaways, a lot in the dirt
Speaker 1: and some sacks and it's the Gino Smith revenge game too.
Speaker 3: Love it. You know you know what Black Friday is
Speaker 3: known for. Deals? Oh you know what kind of deal
Speaker 3: you can get right now? And if you think that
Speaker 3: the Seahawks are going to win the NFC West deal
Speaker 3: deal deals limited time only get plus odds on the
Speaker 3: Seahawks to win the Divisionoo. Look, the Cardinals do have
Speaker 3: two like they're they're in there, they're ahead, but they
Speaker 3: also have a couple things too, easier games than the Seahawks. However,
Speaker 3: Seahawks defense is improving right about the right time. That's
Speaker 3: why you get the discount on it. I don't know,
Speaker 3: could be worth the upside.
Speaker 1: I think there are more talented team. They're a sneaky
Speaker 1: talented team. The Jets, Yeah, they could have kept Gino
Speaker 1: all those years ago. The Giants, they could have kept
Speaker 1: Gino all those years ago. And he's coming in as
Speaker 1: an unquestioned top ten quarterback while Rogers is getting blasted
Speaker 1: and probably in those last few games as a Jet.
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to try to move this to
Speaker 2: you here, look.
Speaker 3: At you, like, let's bring out his career already, you know.
Speaker 2: Even as a Jet. Maybe he'll get a job next year.
Speaker 3: But can we talk about the fact that there's one
Speaker 3: team I think that is Okay, I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 3: that I have I have the wrong. I think that
Speaker 3: the Rams are in really good shape this week, okay,
Speaker 3: on the road in New Orleans. I just really like
Speaker 3: the Rams.
Speaker 1: Why oh they are what a three and a half
Speaker 1: point favorite.
Speaker 3: I've seen three that's what?
Speaker 2: Okay, three works? What works?
Speaker 3: Point being number one? They've got too many weapons and
Speaker 3: let's just make it really simple. The Saints defense, despite
Speaker 3: being reinvigorating by their toilet clogging interim head coach, they
Speaker 3: have not been able to tackle anyone. They're not consistent tacklers.
Speaker 3: Marshaun Lattimore isn't walking through that door. He's up in
Speaker 3: Washington and he's not even playing for Washington right now.
Speaker 3: Just throw it away, like Matthew Stafford's not gonna be like, hey, Tyron, Matthew,
Speaker 3: let's have no one's throwing to him. He's got like
Speaker 3: the fourth lowest target rate for any safety in the
Speaker 3: league this year. There's just too many different options. You
Speaker 3: got Cooper Cup, you got Pooka Nukui, you got Kyron Williams.
Speaker 3: You got a lot of different things going on in
Speaker 3: this matchup, and I don't think that the Saints defense
Speaker 3: has enough horses to handle it. And there's no Chris
Speaker 3: Alavey on the other side. I just don't think like
Speaker 3: the equation of mvs. Plus Taysom Hill, who's been good,
Speaker 3: plus Alvin Kamara is anywhere near as compelling as Matthew
Speaker 3: Stafford throwing to the guys I already mentioned and also
Speaker 3: running the football with Kien Williams.
Speaker 2: Plus they've had the bye week.
Speaker 1: Maybe like the excitement over Rizzy ball As kind of
Speaker 1: died down during that buy they.
Speaker 2: Just go back to them.
Speaker 3: We'll be honest, I kind of hope.
Speaker 2: So they're two wins.
Speaker 1: We're against a Falcons team which is sinking in a
Speaker 1: game they probably should have lost, in a Browns team
Speaker 1: which was a good win and it was tied in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. I'm with you, I really like that,
Speaker 1: and it's minus two and a half where I'm looking here, fantastic,
Speaker 1: So I don't want to take a better same idea
Speaker 1: is for me is going to be my third pick.
Speaker 1: This one hurts me, especially with my dad Tom watching
Speaker 1: on and my son Walker about to come up here and.
Speaker 2: What make a guess pick?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm taking the Colts minus two and a
Speaker 1: half as my third pick over the Patriots in Foxborough.
Speaker 2: Little known fact.
Speaker 1: First ever football game I attended in person, and the
Speaker 1: last one for about twenty years after that until I
Speaker 1: went to college was Colts Patriots. Doug Flutie had an
Speaker 1: end around for the Patriots to beat the Colts. I
Speaker 1: was there. I was there with my dad Tom there.
Speaker 1: But this Patriots team stinks. They're about as bad as
Speaker 1: some of those Dick McPherson Rod Rust teams. The difference
Speaker 1: is they have a great young quarterback and that's it
Speaker 1: makes me a little anxious about picking against him at home.
Speaker 1: But I think these two teams are at different places
Speaker 1: in their season. I think the Colts defense has been
Speaker 1: trending up since DeForest Buckner came back. Actually, they competed
Speaker 1: really well against the Lions last week. If you watched
Speaker 1: that game. I think Anthony Richardson is trending up. I
Speaker 1: know it didn't show in the stats. I think he's
Speaker 1: played really well two weeks in a row and some
Speaker 1: bad luck in last week's game. And I look at
Speaker 1: this Patriots coaching staff. I do not think they know
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I think they're poorly coached on both
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. Tons of penalties, mental errors, and
Speaker 1: smart coaches are taking advantage of predictive, predictabile defenses that
Speaker 1: they're running. So I think Shane Steichen in this group
Speaker 1: is going to put it on them offensively, put up
Speaker 1: about thirty points, and it's tough to ask Drake May
Speaker 1: to keep up in that sort of But Drake May.
Speaker 3: Let's give him some love because the man, he's been
Speaker 3: really good against pressure. He has the highest rookie passer
Speaker 3: rating again or a completion percentage against pressure.
Speaker 2: Hey, now it makes me a little worried.
Speaker 1: But when I just see two teams at different levels,
Speaker 1: I see the Colts right in the middle of the NFL.
Speaker 1: They are sixteenth in DVOA in terms of their defense.
Speaker 1: That feels about right to me. The Patriots are thirty one,
Speaker 1: thirty two to thirtieth. They're one of the worst teams
Speaker 1: in the league, and the numbers would support that. They've
Speaker 1: had one of the easiest schedules in the league despite
Speaker 1: being three and nine, and it's about to get harder.
Speaker 1: I think this Colts team they're not done in terms
Speaker 1: of the playoff because the Texans have been struggling a
Speaker 1: little bit. That is my son, Walker's favorite team. And yes,
Speaker 1: after a month delay, let's bring the kid out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to.
Speaker 1: He wanted a chance. He begged for it. He said,
Speaker 1: I need to come in and I need to make
Speaker 1: some picks. All right now, through the magic of editing,
Speaker 1: this beautiful young boy has appeared here.
Speaker 2: You can look at that camera. Walker, if you're watching on.
Speaker 3: You want to be called a beautiful young boy?
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a beautiful What do you think?
Speaker 1: Are you hands up? Are you handsome or cute? Which
Speaker 1: would you you?
Speaker 3: Handsome? And there we go.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: My son Walker nine years old, thirty nine, smartest football mind,
Speaker 1: holy smokes.
Speaker 3: Or even third grade. You're in fourth grade already.
Speaker 2: And how long have you been a human Texans fan?
Speaker 4: I know, like a year?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's fair to
Speaker 1: just jump.
Speaker 3: Ship, but that's one ninth of his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Still you still like the Patriots though?
Speaker 1: Kind of right? You like the Rams? Why did the
Speaker 1: Texans become your favorite team?
Speaker 4: Because I like CJ. Shat in the way he plays?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, guy knows ball.
Speaker 3: He knows ball.
Speaker 1: You wanted to make a pick, and you have a
Speaker 1: chance actually to go into first place on the show,
Speaker 1: because if you get this pick right, you would be
Speaker 1: one to note. Now, the flip side of that is
Speaker 1: you will be in last place. If you don't get
Speaker 1: this right, you'll be zero in one and you'll be
Speaker 1: stuck there forever. So make sure, yes, make sure you
Speaker 1: make a good pick. What is your pick?
Speaker 3: No stress, You're gonna be fine either way. Goodness gracious.
Speaker 5: For week thirteen, the Texans will be the jaguarse Okay,
Speaker 5: because well Anderson will past rush Trevor.
Speaker 1: Lawrence at Okay, I like that, you like that matchup.
Speaker 1: The the Jaguars not as good up front after they
Speaker 1: traded Cam Robinson. Any concerns though about c J. Stroud lately?
Speaker 1: He's your fantasy quarterback. You refuse to take him out
Speaker 1: of your lineup even though he's struggling, and you got.
Speaker 3: At that's what we call.
Speaker 2: Loyalty. I here.
Speaker 4: Uh, he's good, but sometimes he doesn't really throw the
Speaker 4: ball like he needs to work on his past time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, his timing is a little bit of it.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be, wouldn't it? But I mean, with all
Speaker 3: those penalties, this is like the second most penalized team
Speaker 3: in the league. So he's often in like really bad situations. Right,
Speaker 3: he's throwing like first and twenty. That's thinks. That's no fun.
Speaker 3: So it's not always his fault. Maybe if his old
Speaker 3: line or a little better, wouldn't.
Speaker 2: That be helpful?
Speaker 3: Do anything? Do you think they connect? He connects with
Speaker 3: Nico Collins for a touchdown. Yeah, he'll say, I'm with
Speaker 3: you on that one big time.
Speaker 2: When did you draft Nico Collins in your draft?
Speaker 4: Third run?
Speaker 1: I mean, and a lot of people do too. A
Speaker 1: lot of people thought that was too early. How has
Speaker 1: that worked out?
Speaker 2: Have you been enjoying that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you been enjoying that?
Speaker 4: Well? I wish he wouldn't get hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's back now and he's playing well. There
Speaker 1: anything more you want to say about this Texans.
Speaker 2: Jaguars really, any match to give our.
Speaker 1: Listeners or any matchup you know, to to help them
Speaker 1: make their picks, because I think they're going to listen
Speaker 1: to you Walker totally.
Speaker 4: I think the Jaguars will be really, really bad.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're coming off a bye no more Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: Initially you were like, I'm picking against them because it's
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, but it is going to be Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: It's a division matchup. You think they're going to be bad.
Speaker 1: You think they'll fire their coach if they if they
Speaker 1: lose to the Tech.
Speaker 3: You stop making him click bait. I mean maybe not
Speaker 3: this week, okay, but probably at the end of season. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you think Bill BELLI will you like the Jags
Speaker 3: if Bill Belichick goes there? Okay? Just making sure I listen.
Speaker 3: I want to understand where we stand here.
Speaker 2: They're at division rival right, Yeah, can't handle that. It's
Speaker 2: great to have you on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Wait do you think your sister's team will win.
Speaker 3: They played New Orleans. Yeah, yeah, Rams being or good.
Speaker 3: I'm glad he's on my side of that.
Speaker 2: Cynthia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cynthia was backing them big time. He probably was thinking,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the Fantasy League. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: you could say I'm putting stress on him. There's no
Speaker 1: extra stress that I'm putting on him that he doesn't
Speaker 1: put on himself.
Speaker 2: If like when they when it's not going.
Speaker 3: Well, like all stressed parents that put on stress, kids.
Speaker 1: Say, if the fantasy game's not going well, what what
Speaker 1: do you do?
Speaker 2: I be that, Yeah, you just turn the game. You're like,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to bed.
Speaker 3: I'm going to bed.
Speaker 2: I'm going to my room.
Speaker 1: When the Steelers had an interception, remember, you're just like,
Speaker 1: I can't watch this anymore it happens.
Speaker 3: I mean I kind of understand.
Speaker 1: I get it, all right, buddy, you got to tell
Speaker 1: all the kids in your fourth grade class that you
Speaker 1: were on NFL daily, but only tell him if the
Speaker 1: Texans win, right.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, No, he can tell him before because he's
Speaker 3: so confident because he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: One of the things I try to do as a
Speaker 1: parent is remind Walker like, if you are winning at
Speaker 1: something or doing well at something, than what, Walker, you
Speaker 1: got to tell people about it, right, You got to
Speaker 1: celebrate otherwise they might not know that you're winning.
Speaker 2: All right, That is it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have you come whenever I have kids I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have I'm gonna make sure you come over to
Speaker 3: teach me the rules of parenting because it seems like
Speaker 3: you got a good one. You've got two great kids.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll maybe I'll ask your wife.
Speaker 1: We are headed to go tape a little game debut,
Speaker 1: but that is it for NFL Daily this week.
Speaker 2: Thank you Walker for stepping in.
Speaker 1: Walker. We will be back on Sunday night with our
Speaker 1: recap show as always, great week here on NFL Daily.
Speaker 2: And yes, when
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