1 00:00:04,078 --> 00:00:06,518 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of My 2 00:00:06,718 --> 00:00:16,918 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Welcome Back to the Book of Joe Podcasts 3 00:00:17,358 --> 00:00:21,678 Speaker 1: with Me Tom Berducci with Sports Illustrated, Fox Sports and 4 00:00:21,838 --> 00:00:26,918 Speaker 1: MLB Network and three time Manager of the Year Joe Madden. Joe, 5 00:00:27,038 --> 00:00:29,358 Speaker 1: we're deep into the postseason now, how are you doing. 6 00:00:29,638 --> 00:00:31,758 Speaker 1: I'm doing well, buddy. How you doing? I think you're 7 00:00:31,758 --> 00:00:33,838 Speaker 1: on a late flight last night and you have that 8 00:00:34,318 --> 00:00:38,038 Speaker 1: beautiful nine fifteen am voice working for you right now. Yeah. Well, 9 00:00:38,078 --> 00:00:41,278 Speaker 1: adrenaline is a wonderful thing this time of year, isn't it. 10 00:00:41,318 --> 00:00:44,438 Speaker 1: You know how it goes? It is. It's amazing when 11 00:00:44,478 --> 00:00:47,038 Speaker 1: you just reflect on your day. How did I do that? 12 00:00:47,278 --> 00:00:49,038 Speaker 1: Or how did I get up with that particular moment? 13 00:00:49,078 --> 00:00:51,158 Speaker 1: How did I find the energy? But you do somehow 14 00:00:51,438 --> 00:00:53,558 Speaker 1: you do. And hey, we've had a lot of really 15 00:00:53,558 --> 00:00:57,598 Speaker 1: good baseball games, tight well played games. Pitching to me, 16 00:00:57,838 --> 00:01:01,638 Speaker 1: has been ruling this postseason. The Major League batting average 17 00:01:01,638 --> 00:01:04,558 Speaker 1: this postseason is just to a even you thought it 18 00:01:04,638 --> 00:01:06,558 Speaker 1: was tough to get a hit during the regular season, 19 00:01:06,758 --> 00:01:09,358 Speaker 1: it is tough now. And I want to start with 20 00:01:09,478 --> 00:01:12,558 Speaker 1: the Houston Astros in that series against the Yankees, Joe, 21 00:01:12,598 --> 00:01:16,598 Speaker 1: because we know they've got firepower, right, but they're pitching 22 00:01:16,638 --> 00:01:20,398 Speaker 1: has just been spectacular this postseason. The team's only hitting 23 00:01:20,398 --> 00:01:23,878 Speaker 1: two nine and yet they've won five consecutive games and 24 00:01:23,878 --> 00:01:26,398 Speaker 1: now they've taken a two old lead on the New 25 00:01:26,478 --> 00:01:30,518 Speaker 1: York Yankees. Um So here's what I see quickly on 26 00:01:30,558 --> 00:01:33,118 Speaker 1: the Houston Nationals. First, I like the matchup and listen, 27 00:01:33,318 --> 00:01:35,398 Speaker 1: you matched up against Houston a lot. You know, this 28 00:01:35,438 --> 00:01:37,278 Speaker 1: team really well over the last three years in the 29 00:01:37,318 --> 00:01:41,398 Speaker 1: same division in the American League West. They're right handed pitching. 30 00:01:42,118 --> 00:01:45,598 Speaker 1: It's just really neutralizes the Yankees right handed power. This year, 31 00:01:45,638 --> 00:01:48,758 Speaker 1: the Yankees right handed batters are hitting a buck seventy 32 00:01:48,758 --> 00:01:52,118 Speaker 1: five off Houston's right handed pitching. And the other thing 33 00:01:52,238 --> 00:01:55,998 Speaker 1: I see is the way the Astros are spinning the baseball. 34 00:01:56,158 --> 00:01:59,638 Speaker 1: I mean, it is crazy their pictures this postseason, and 35 00:01:59,678 --> 00:02:03,558 Speaker 1: I've never seen this. They're throwing forty eight percent breaking 36 00:02:03,598 --> 00:02:10,118 Speaker 1: ball Game one against the Yankees, Game two fifty one 37 00:02:10,958 --> 00:02:13,358 Speaker 1: breaking balls. I have never heard that a majority of 38 00:02:13,398 --> 00:02:16,038 Speaker 1: their pitches against the Yankees. And Game two, we're breaking 39 00:02:16,078 --> 00:02:19,038 Speaker 1: pitches and the Yankees are three for thirty five against it. 40 00:02:19,198 --> 00:02:22,278 Speaker 1: So I got to give the Houston Astros credit for 41 00:02:22,318 --> 00:02:25,278 Speaker 1: their pitching staff and what they're doing. Yeah, where do 42 00:02:25,278 --> 00:02:27,198 Speaker 1: you begin with all that? Because I, you know, I 43 00:02:27,238 --> 00:02:30,038 Speaker 1: cannot agree with you more. Coming into this sole post season, 44 00:02:30,078 --> 00:02:32,278 Speaker 1: I had them. They were my pick the click, and 45 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:34,238 Speaker 1: it was based on their pitching. Like you're talking. They 46 00:02:34,278 --> 00:02:37,398 Speaker 1: got some nice offensive players, but they win one nothing 47 00:02:37,438 --> 00:02:39,478 Speaker 1: what an eighteen innings? They win last night three to 48 00:02:39,558 --> 00:02:41,758 Speaker 1: two on one home run, and they made a couple 49 00:02:41,798 --> 00:02:44,598 Speaker 1: of mistakes. Actually the picture did you haven't even seen 50 00:02:44,638 --> 00:02:46,878 Speaker 1: a lot of their guys. I mean, Javier is one 51 00:02:46,878 --> 00:02:49,438 Speaker 1: of my favorite pictures, and then Garcia with the funky 52 00:02:49,518 --> 00:02:53,758 Speaker 1: wind up. But the breaking ball component UM and we've 53 00:02:53,758 --> 00:02:55,518 Speaker 1: talked about this, we talked about in the book, the 54 00:02:55,558 --> 00:02:58,518 Speaker 1: increased usage in UM in a postseason and how it 55 00:02:58,558 --> 00:03:00,878 Speaker 1: plays out, and part of it is, I mean, I 56 00:03:00,878 --> 00:03:03,118 Speaker 1: don't even know to what extent because I wasn't paying 57 00:03:03,158 --> 00:03:04,878 Speaker 1: that close to to ship, but how much of is 58 00:03:04,918 --> 00:03:07,598 Speaker 1: it a ball strike breaking ball? How much is it 59 00:03:07,638 --> 00:03:10,118 Speaker 1: a strike to ball breaking ball? That are guys are 60 00:03:10,198 --> 00:03:14,238 Speaker 1: chasing UM? They have to have that all down, you know, 61 00:03:14,318 --> 00:03:17,198 Speaker 1: the chase rates of each one of the particular Yankee hitters, 62 00:03:17,598 --> 00:03:19,198 Speaker 1: and they felt that that was the best way to 63 00:03:19,238 --> 00:03:21,318 Speaker 1: attack them obviously, then you have to command it. Like 64 00:03:21,358 --> 00:03:24,198 Speaker 1: I said, it's it's one thing to to throw a 65 00:03:24,278 --> 00:03:26,718 Speaker 1: ball that breaking bill that begins as a ball, it 66 00:03:26,758 --> 00:03:29,638 Speaker 1: becomes a strike and that's probably an early count kind 67 00:03:29,678 --> 00:03:31,678 Speaker 1: of a pitch. And then here comes the one in 68 00:03:31,678 --> 00:03:33,438 Speaker 1: the later part of the account when you want them 69 00:03:33,478 --> 00:03:35,078 Speaker 1: to chase and it looks like a strike and then 70 00:03:35,118 --> 00:03:38,478 Speaker 1: becomes a ball. And then furthermore just sometimes they have 71 00:03:38,518 --> 00:03:40,358 Speaker 1: heat maps with umpires too and how they're going to 72 00:03:40,438 --> 00:03:43,078 Speaker 1: react to different pitches. So, um, you have to be 73 00:03:43,118 --> 00:03:44,638 Speaker 1: able to command and you have to be able to 74 00:03:44,678 --> 00:03:47,678 Speaker 1: do it. Um. It's you know, that's part of analytics 75 00:03:47,678 --> 00:03:51,038 Speaker 1: that I've talked about that's outstanding because pitching, the stuff 76 00:03:51,078 --> 00:03:54,358 Speaker 1: that they get is accurate, and they're proactive, and we're 77 00:03:54,358 --> 00:03:56,878 Speaker 1: talking about the hitters and not just in the playoffs, 78 00:03:56,918 --> 00:04:00,078 Speaker 1: but in general get very little help or use from 79 00:04:00,078 --> 00:04:02,478 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. So that's what you're seeing, just 80 00:04:02,558 --> 00:04:06,318 Speaker 1: a really talented group of Houston pitchers and their attack 81 00:04:06,398 --> 00:04:09,078 Speaker 1: and uh, their ability to command this pitch. And again 82 00:04:09,118 --> 00:04:11,998 Speaker 1: that's that's really special. Yeah, and that game to really 83 00:04:12,038 --> 00:04:15,758 Speaker 1: swung on two swings, one by Alex Bregman into the 84 00:04:15,798 --> 00:04:19,318 Speaker 1: Crawford boxes didn't really crush that. It was exit v 85 00:04:19,398 --> 00:04:21,838 Speaker 1: love about ninety two miles an hour. But that's what 86 00:04:21,878 --> 00:04:24,878 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman does. You look at his numbers, he's a 87 00:04:24,918 --> 00:04:28,558 Speaker 1: dead poll hitter, especially at home with the Crawford boxes there. 88 00:04:28,918 --> 00:04:31,358 Speaker 1: He takes the knob to the baseball. He's so quick, 89 00:04:31,478 --> 00:04:34,758 Speaker 1: short arm, guys, short stroke, you cannot beat him. Inside 90 00:04:34,838 --> 00:04:36,678 Speaker 1: wasn't a terrible pitch, but to me, it was a 91 00:04:36,678 --> 00:04:39,678 Speaker 1: bad pitch to Bregman in that ballpark. That's exactly what 92 00:04:39,718 --> 00:04:42,278 Speaker 1: he's looking to do. And the other swing was by 93 00:04:42,358 --> 00:04:45,598 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge and off the bat maybe you thought that 94 00:04:45,638 --> 00:04:48,998 Speaker 1: ball was going out. Kyle Tucker catches it at the wall, 95 00:04:49,838 --> 00:04:51,998 Speaker 1: and I know the wind probably had something to do 96 00:04:52,038 --> 00:04:54,838 Speaker 1: with that. We saw some flyballs earlier get knocked down. 97 00:04:54,958 --> 00:04:56,958 Speaker 1: I mean, it's only the second time they've played a 98 00:04:56,998 --> 00:04:59,918 Speaker 1: game there in Houston with the roof open. But you 99 00:04:59,918 --> 00:05:03,198 Speaker 1: know what, Joe, you know this that's decided before the game. 100 00:05:03,478 --> 00:05:05,678 Speaker 1: You know you can't be belly aching after the game. 101 00:05:05,758 --> 00:05:08,438 Speaker 1: The off the roof is closed, that balls out, Yankees win. 102 00:05:08,638 --> 00:05:12,798 Speaker 1: It Just stop it because everybody knew the rules of engagement. 103 00:05:12,838 --> 00:05:15,038 Speaker 1: The roof was open. I've heard a lot of people 104 00:05:15,038 --> 00:05:17,118 Speaker 1: complain in past years and the weather has been nice, 105 00:05:17,158 --> 00:05:19,118 Speaker 1: why don't they open the roof? Well, this is what 106 00:05:19,198 --> 00:05:21,998 Speaker 1: baseball is. It's played outdoors for the most part, and 107 00:05:22,038 --> 00:05:24,438 Speaker 1: you deal with the conditions as they were, no surprises, 108 00:05:24,638 --> 00:05:26,798 Speaker 1: same for both teams. It just happened to work out 109 00:05:26,838 --> 00:05:28,998 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, he put the roof on there for 110 00:05:28,998 --> 00:05:32,238 Speaker 1: a reason. The retractable roof for moments like that revisioned 111 00:05:32,238 --> 00:05:34,238 Speaker 1: his history. I've always gotten to kick out of that. 112 00:05:34,358 --> 00:05:36,998 Speaker 1: It could have been, would have, should have been, outcome bias, 113 00:05:37,038 --> 00:05:39,758 Speaker 1: all the different thoughts that you have. Um, yeah, I 114 00:05:39,758 --> 00:05:42,878 Speaker 1: mean the pitch too. I saw thee in the game. 115 00:05:43,278 --> 00:05:45,358 Speaker 1: I think the ball got in on Bregman a little 116 00:05:45,358 --> 00:05:48,238 Speaker 1: bit from the replay, and he just muscled it over 117 00:05:48,278 --> 00:05:50,398 Speaker 1: that left field while it's not that far to begin with, 118 00:05:50,758 --> 00:05:52,598 Speaker 1: and it was elevated, and he likes the ball up. 119 00:05:52,598 --> 00:05:54,278 Speaker 1: He's got a real flat swing and he does a 120 00:05:54,358 --> 00:05:56,878 Speaker 1: nice job with that. Picture a little bit like Evan Longoury. 121 00:05:57,038 --> 00:05:59,118 Speaker 1: Maybe not as obviously, not as big, but the same 122 00:05:59,198 --> 00:06:01,918 Speaker 1: kind of approaches Evan. And then the other ball goes 123 00:06:01,918 --> 00:06:04,678 Speaker 1: the other way and doesn't leave, and you can't play 124 00:06:05,158 --> 00:06:07,518 Speaker 1: pent right, I mean everybody knows the rules of engagement. 125 00:06:08,118 --> 00:06:09,998 Speaker 1: The roof was open for a reason because we paid 126 00:06:09,998 --> 00:06:12,038 Speaker 1: a lot of money so that it can open, and 127 00:06:12,038 --> 00:06:13,558 Speaker 1: that the people, if you said that they come to 128 00:06:13,598 --> 00:06:15,518 Speaker 1: a playoff game or a game early in the season, 129 00:06:15,918 --> 00:06:17,598 Speaker 1: can sit there and watch a game just as you 130 00:06:17,918 --> 00:06:19,758 Speaker 1: as you would have as though, like back in the 131 00:06:19,838 --> 00:06:22,518 Speaker 1: days of the Houston Colt forty five. So I think 132 00:06:22,518 --> 00:06:26,118 Speaker 1: it's uh, I think it's good. Again, it creates discussion, 133 00:06:26,158 --> 00:06:30,198 Speaker 1: controversy and etcetera. But the revisionist, man, I'm not into it. Um, 134 00:06:30,238 --> 00:06:33,198 Speaker 1: the same thing happens in Toronto. Toronto's ballpark when that 135 00:06:33,278 --> 00:06:35,558 Speaker 1: roof is closed, the ball really carries. And I've been 136 00:06:35,598 --> 00:06:39,078 Speaker 1: there roof open and actually roof open on a sunny day. 137 00:06:39,158 --> 00:06:42,878 Speaker 1: It's really hot, tough to see. It's very bright in there. Again, Uh, 138 00:06:42,958 --> 00:06:45,318 Speaker 1: same for both sides and just the way it is. 139 00:06:45,398 --> 00:06:48,078 Speaker 1: And uh and that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. 140 00:06:48,118 --> 00:06:50,998 Speaker 1: But again uh uh yeah, that the ball maybe was 141 00:06:51,038 --> 00:06:53,598 Speaker 1: impacted to left field for bregnant and it was not, 142 00:06:53,958 --> 00:06:56,838 Speaker 1: and it was impacted in another way to write for judge, Okay, 143 00:06:56,918 --> 00:06:59,998 Speaker 1: let me put you in the shoes of Aaron Boone. 144 00:06:59,998 --> 00:07:03,358 Speaker 1: Now you're going home down to nothing. Your task now 145 00:07:03,998 --> 00:07:06,918 Speaker 1: need to win four out of five games against the 146 00:07:06,918 --> 00:07:09,398 Speaker 1: Houston Astros to get to the World Series. Right that 147 00:07:09,398 --> 00:07:12,198 Speaker 1: that's a tough task, but you know, you look at 148 00:07:12,238 --> 00:07:15,478 Speaker 1: the way that the Guardians stretched them in the Division Series. 149 00:07:15,518 --> 00:07:18,158 Speaker 1: They couldn't go in with the pitching lined up. You've 150 00:07:18,198 --> 00:07:20,678 Speaker 1: got Matt Carpenter coming off the i L for the 151 00:07:20,678 --> 00:07:23,398 Speaker 1: first time in weeks, trying to find his stroke. You've 152 00:07:23,438 --> 00:07:25,878 Speaker 1: got John Carlos Stanton back in the outfield for the 153 00:07:25,878 --> 00:07:28,998 Speaker 1: first time in weeks. You've got Harrison bad leading off. 154 00:07:29,518 --> 00:07:31,518 Speaker 1: You've got all these things that Boone is trying to 155 00:07:31,558 --> 00:07:34,238 Speaker 1: do on the fly to get his team against the 156 00:07:34,278 --> 00:07:39,558 Speaker 1: number one seed, the Houston Astros. Now you're down to nothing, Joe, 157 00:07:39,638 --> 00:07:42,398 Speaker 1: how do you as a manager prepare for getting back 158 00:07:42,438 --> 00:07:45,558 Speaker 1: home and getting back into the series with your group. Well, 159 00:07:45,558 --> 00:07:49,318 Speaker 1: you just keep a positive tone about the cliphouse. Absolutely, 160 00:07:49,438 --> 00:07:52,318 Speaker 1: and and I've always talked about and we have the 161 00:07:52,318 --> 00:07:54,678 Speaker 1: power of twenty four hours. The games they've lost, they've 162 00:07:54,678 --> 00:07:57,358 Speaker 1: been there's no blowouts, but any means, and yesterday's game 163 00:07:57,398 --> 00:07:59,558 Speaker 1: could have gone either way, and so could have the 164 00:07:59,558 --> 00:08:01,678 Speaker 1: first game. So they're not getting blown out in spite 165 00:08:01,718 --> 00:08:04,758 Speaker 1: of the fact they had a tough series against Cleveland 166 00:08:05,318 --> 00:08:07,758 Speaker 1: and um and their pitching was not lined up perfectly, 167 00:08:07,758 --> 00:08:11,638 Speaker 1: although they've got really good pitching performances against Houston. They 168 00:08:11,638 --> 00:08:14,678 Speaker 1: have the right Guystone when they go back home, and 169 00:08:14,718 --> 00:08:17,958 Speaker 1: the different layers of depth they're showing up with the Yankees. 170 00:08:18,278 --> 00:08:20,238 Speaker 1: And again you can't talk about this. I mean, they're 171 00:08:20,238 --> 00:08:23,478 Speaker 1: missing some very key ingredients. But the guys they put 172 00:08:23,518 --> 00:08:26,998 Speaker 1: out there, like Bader coming off of his his issues 173 00:08:27,078 --> 00:08:29,838 Speaker 1: early on and now he's having a great post season. 174 00:08:29,878 --> 00:08:33,038 Speaker 1: The short stop yesterday, that play that he made coming 175 00:08:33,038 --> 00:08:35,798 Speaker 1: in on that slow roll and really demonstrated in one 176 00:08:35,878 --> 00:08:39,758 Speaker 1: moment why they liked this kid so much for the Yankees. UM, 177 00:08:39,798 --> 00:08:41,958 Speaker 1: so they got they have, they have players, they got talent. 178 00:08:41,998 --> 00:08:44,318 Speaker 1: They're hanging in there in spite of all these issues. 179 00:08:44,358 --> 00:08:46,838 Speaker 1: And I think if they just keep a positive method 180 00:08:46,838 --> 00:08:48,998 Speaker 1: about him, which I know Booney really well, he will. 181 00:08:49,638 --> 00:08:52,078 Speaker 1: Um it's it's not over, man. I mean, just by 182 00:08:52,158 --> 00:08:54,078 Speaker 1: winning the first game that which they really need to 183 00:08:54,118 --> 00:08:57,118 Speaker 1: do in New York. They win that first game, they 184 00:08:57,238 --> 00:09:00,198 Speaker 1: the mindset changes and all of a sudden you can 185 00:09:00,318 --> 00:09:02,478 Speaker 1: gather some momentum and they need to do that. There's 186 00:09:02,478 --> 00:09:05,558 Speaker 1: there's no getting around it. On the other hand, the 187 00:09:05,638 --> 00:09:10,518 Speaker 1: pictures Houston have left to start our outstanding. They're really good. 188 00:09:10,558 --> 00:09:13,238 Speaker 1: I don't care where they're pitching. So it's probably gonna 189 00:09:13,278 --> 00:09:16,558 Speaker 1: be another close game. The Yankees need a low scoring 190 00:09:16,558 --> 00:09:18,718 Speaker 1: game because I don't see them blowing up Houston's pitching, 191 00:09:18,758 --> 00:09:21,278 Speaker 1: So they gotta pitch really well. And it's it's got 192 00:09:21,278 --> 00:09:23,678 Speaker 1: to come down to another three to three to one 193 00:09:23,758 --> 00:09:26,158 Speaker 1: kind of a thing. And you can't make any mistakes 194 00:09:26,158 --> 00:09:28,878 Speaker 1: on defense either of them. Yeah, let's remember too, there's 195 00:09:28,918 --> 00:09:31,638 Speaker 1: no a roll as Chapman on the New York roster. Now, 196 00:09:31,718 --> 00:09:34,518 Speaker 1: he wasn't really good towards the end of the season anyway, 197 00:09:34,598 --> 00:09:37,798 Speaker 1: But this reminds me of a story, and it's a 198 00:09:37,838 --> 00:09:40,438 Speaker 1: great story that it is in our book, The Book 199 00:09:40,478 --> 00:09:44,798 Speaker 1: of Joe, about how and when to discipline your players. 200 00:09:45,558 --> 00:09:57,038 Speaker 1: We'll get to that right after this. Welcome Back to 201 00:09:57,078 --> 00:09:59,838 Speaker 1: the Book of Joe podcast. This is Tom Berducci with 202 00:09:59,918 --> 00:10:03,038 Speaker 1: Joe Madden and Joe. I mentioned a role as Chapman, 203 00:10:03,158 --> 00:10:07,118 Speaker 1: who missed a mandatory workout before the postseason began, was 204 00:10:07,198 --> 00:10:09,758 Speaker 1: not placed on the New York roster because of that. 205 00:10:09,878 --> 00:10:11,918 Speaker 1: Now listen, he might have not not have had a 206 00:10:11,958 --> 00:10:14,718 Speaker 1: spot of the roster anyway. He had been ineffective late 207 00:10:14,758 --> 00:10:17,238 Speaker 1: in the season, really trying to find some things mechanically. 208 00:10:17,318 --> 00:10:20,718 Speaker 1: But that was the last straw. And one of the 209 00:10:20,758 --> 00:10:22,598 Speaker 1: things I think people really need to know about the 210 00:10:22,598 --> 00:10:26,118 Speaker 1: Book of Joe our book is there an incredible amount 211 00:10:26,158 --> 00:10:28,358 Speaker 1: of stories. And listen, You've been through a lot in 212 00:10:28,438 --> 00:10:30,198 Speaker 1: your day, Joe, both in the minor leagues and the 213 00:10:30,278 --> 00:10:33,598 Speaker 1: major leagues. And I thought it was really both funny 214 00:10:33,638 --> 00:10:37,038 Speaker 1: and fascinating when you talked about being a young manager 215 00:10:37,198 --> 00:10:40,358 Speaker 1: and disciplining players. And of course I'm going back to 216 00:10:40,758 --> 00:10:45,278 Speaker 1: Peoria eight for the Peoria Chiefs and an outfielder that 217 00:10:45,318 --> 00:10:48,958 Speaker 1: you had by the name of J. Lewis. I want 218 00:10:48,998 --> 00:10:51,198 Speaker 1: you to tell this story, but for two reasons. It 219 00:10:51,358 --> 00:10:55,158 Speaker 1: has some application to disciplining major league players. But mostly 220 00:10:55,158 --> 00:10:56,918 Speaker 1: I think it gives people a little bit of a 221 00:10:56,918 --> 00:11:00,158 Speaker 1: window of some of the color and depth and just 222 00:11:00,198 --> 00:11:02,918 Speaker 1: funny stories that are in our book. Yeah, that happened 223 00:11:02,918 --> 00:11:06,278 Speaker 1: in for J. Lewis, outfielder from I think A J 224 00:11:06,398 --> 00:11:09,878 Speaker 1: C and Oklahoma signed by Louise Snip. Loved j a 225 00:11:09,958 --> 00:11:13,678 Speaker 1: great personality, Um, really a good guy and great on 226 00:11:13,718 --> 00:11:16,238 Speaker 1: the team. Anyway, one night there was a I found 227 00:11:16,238 --> 00:11:18,798 Speaker 1: out an advance ers um really a monte Gudu. My 228 00:11:18,878 --> 00:11:22,438 Speaker 1: pitching coach told me about a van Halen concert coming 229 00:11:22,438 --> 00:11:24,638 Speaker 1: into town and how much of a van Halen fan 230 00:11:24,838 --> 00:11:28,478 Speaker 1: Jay Lewis was, and so that was just on the radar, 231 00:11:28,518 --> 00:11:30,038 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, here comes the night of 232 00:11:30,038 --> 00:11:34,478 Speaker 1: the concert, and of course Jay calls in sick. So 233 00:11:34,798 --> 00:11:36,678 Speaker 1: all of a sudden the wheels are set in motion. 234 00:11:37,118 --> 00:11:39,798 Speaker 1: Here we go. Because Monty, as usual, was right on 235 00:11:39,838 --> 00:11:43,998 Speaker 1: the money. So I had Richard Zeleski, our trainer. UM 236 00:11:44,758 --> 00:11:47,798 Speaker 1: I wanted Richard to call and and find out if 237 00:11:47,838 --> 00:11:49,998 Speaker 1: if Jay was at home right when the game had begun, 238 00:11:50,678 --> 00:11:53,038 Speaker 1: and of course there was no answer to the phone call. 239 00:11:53,158 --> 00:11:57,118 Speaker 1: So I then had Richard actually drive to his house 240 00:11:57,638 --> 00:11:59,598 Speaker 1: or his apartment and find out, just knock on the 241 00:11:59,638 --> 00:12:01,438 Speaker 1: door and make sure he can't say that he didn't 242 00:12:01,478 --> 00:12:04,158 Speaker 1: hear the phone, et cetera. And there was no through 243 00:12:04,238 --> 00:12:07,998 Speaker 1: there either, so of course it was all what we 244 00:12:08,158 --> 00:12:10,558 Speaker 1: thought was true was true. But anyway, then I had 245 00:12:10,558 --> 00:12:12,878 Speaker 1: to verify this. So the next day Jay word comes 246 00:12:12,918 --> 00:12:15,958 Speaker 1: in and he sits down and we start talking, and um, 247 00:12:15,998 --> 00:12:17,998 Speaker 1: I said, j where were you stay. I was home, 248 00:12:18,038 --> 00:12:20,278 Speaker 1: I was sick whatever, And I said, well, we called, 249 00:12:20,278 --> 00:12:22,238 Speaker 1: and I had Richard stopped by to see you, and 250 00:12:22,278 --> 00:12:25,198 Speaker 1: there's no answer, and there's nobody at the I must 251 00:12:25,278 --> 00:12:26,798 Speaker 1: have been out. I must have been out picking up 252 00:12:26,798 --> 00:12:29,518 Speaker 1: some medicine whatever, and trying to make the excuses that 253 00:12:29,558 --> 00:12:32,158 Speaker 1: we all would make. And finally asked him, Jake, don't 254 00:12:32,158 --> 00:12:36,438 Speaker 1: insult my intelligence. How was the concert? And she looked 255 00:12:36,438 --> 00:12:40,158 Speaker 1: at me, really had that mischievous look about him. The 256 00:12:40,198 --> 00:12:44,718 Speaker 1: best concert I've ever been to. And and I don't 257 00:12:44,718 --> 00:12:46,438 Speaker 1: even remember if I started laughing or not. But I 258 00:12:46,478 --> 00:12:49,518 Speaker 1: reacted wrong because at that point I should have just 259 00:12:49,718 --> 00:12:52,238 Speaker 1: went with it. We should have fined him twenty five 260 00:12:52,238 --> 00:12:54,878 Speaker 1: bucks or whatever. But ended up being the release of 261 00:12:55,238 --> 00:12:57,358 Speaker 1: Jay Lewis, and I called I think Mike part and 262 00:12:57,398 --> 00:12:59,798 Speaker 1: I was so upset. I was too young. I didn't 263 00:12:59,838 --> 00:13:01,838 Speaker 1: know how to deal or handle that particular moment. And 264 00:13:02,118 --> 00:13:05,118 Speaker 1: this is an apology. Hopefully James might be listening to this, 265 00:13:05,158 --> 00:13:07,838 Speaker 1: because that shouldn't have happened that way. But that was 266 00:13:07,878 --> 00:13:11,038 Speaker 1: typical the best concert I've ever attended. I should have 267 00:13:11,118 --> 00:13:15,278 Speaker 1: just laughed bucks and moved on, but I did not. 268 00:13:15,838 --> 00:13:18,718 Speaker 1: I love this story also not just for JA, but 269 00:13:18,918 --> 00:13:20,998 Speaker 1: for you. I mean being a young manager. Right as 270 00:13:20,998 --> 00:13:23,198 Speaker 1: you said, you might have done things differently with a 271 00:13:23,238 --> 00:13:27,038 Speaker 1: little more experience. And I look around these postseason games, Joe, 272 00:13:27,078 --> 00:13:29,998 Speaker 1: I see a lot of experience. You know. Robert Thompson 273 00:13:30,118 --> 00:13:32,678 Speaker 1: is baseball lifer, getting his first shot at managing, but 274 00:13:32,758 --> 00:13:35,118 Speaker 1: he's been around the block a few times. Bob Melvin, 275 00:13:35,478 --> 00:13:38,198 Speaker 1: he actually has the fourth most wins of any manager 276 00:13:38,238 --> 00:13:41,358 Speaker 1: who has not one a pennant. He obviously has done 277 00:13:41,398 --> 00:13:43,398 Speaker 1: a great job over the years. Of course, Dusty Baker 278 00:13:43,518 --> 00:13:46,838 Speaker 1: looking for his work first World Series ring and Aaron 279 00:13:46,838 --> 00:13:49,118 Speaker 1: Boone is kind of the exception of the final four here, 280 00:13:49,318 --> 00:13:51,918 Speaker 1: you know, hired for the first time without managing experience. 281 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:55,878 Speaker 1: For the Yankees, he's brought them to the postseason every year. Um, 282 00:13:55,918 --> 00:13:58,678 Speaker 1: but it's it's interesting to watch these veteran guys running 283 00:13:58,718 --> 00:14:01,518 Speaker 1: these games and you know nothing's gonna get by them. 284 00:14:01,718 --> 00:14:03,318 Speaker 1: You know they've been around the block. And I think 285 00:14:03,358 --> 00:14:06,478 Speaker 1: about Bob Melvin. To a quick story for you, I 286 00:14:06,478 --> 00:14:10,558 Speaker 1: don't know if you're superstitious. Uh, let's say routine. Orient 287 00:14:10,718 --> 00:14:13,998 Speaker 1: is probably a better word, right, Joe. Bob Melvin during 288 00:14:13,998 --> 00:14:16,558 Speaker 1: a game will pop a hard candy in his mouth 289 00:14:16,718 --> 00:14:21,078 Speaker 1: in every odd inning one, three, five, seven, nine, and 290 00:14:21,158 --> 00:14:24,798 Speaker 1: in the ninth inning it has to be a root 291 00:14:24,838 --> 00:14:30,478 Speaker 1: beer barrel, brown hard candy. Why brown the Padres When 292 00:14:30,478 --> 00:14:33,038 Speaker 1: he was with the Oacle of A's it was either 293 00:14:33,078 --> 00:14:35,918 Speaker 1: green or yellow. And this all goes back to two 294 00:14:35,998 --> 00:14:39,398 Speaker 1: thousand one. He was the bench coach Game seven, two 295 00:14:39,438 --> 00:14:42,118 Speaker 1: thousand one World Series. He's the bench coach for Bob 296 00:14:42,158 --> 00:14:45,238 Speaker 1: Brindley with the d Backs, And before the ninth inning, 297 00:14:45,278 --> 00:14:48,998 Speaker 1: Bob Brindley put a brown root beer barrel hard candy 298 00:14:49,038 --> 00:14:51,398 Speaker 1: in his mouth. We know what happened. Then incredible comeback 299 00:14:51,438 --> 00:14:55,358 Speaker 1: he gets Marianna Rivera. So this is what he does. 300 00:14:55,638 --> 00:14:58,078 Speaker 1: If you, if you happen at the cameras catch him 301 00:14:58,118 --> 00:15:00,718 Speaker 1: before the ninth thing, he will pop a brown root 302 00:15:00,758 --> 00:15:04,198 Speaker 1: beer barrel hard candy into his mouth and blowing by hold. 303 00:15:04,278 --> 00:15:06,798 Speaker 1: This year, what team has the most walk off wins? 304 00:15:07,438 --> 00:15:11,558 Speaker 1: San Diego Padres with twelve? How about you? Did you 305 00:15:11,598 --> 00:15:14,238 Speaker 1: have something that's comfort food for Bob? I could absolutely 306 00:15:14,238 --> 00:15:15,758 Speaker 1: see that. It's just like you said, a part of 307 00:15:15,758 --> 00:15:18,638 Speaker 1: the routine. My only thing was I'd be in the 308 00:15:18,678 --> 00:15:21,038 Speaker 1: minor leagues. You know, you would do some stupid stuff 309 00:15:21,078 --> 00:15:24,158 Speaker 1: where the same sanitaries for days, and it would start 310 00:15:24,198 --> 00:15:27,278 Speaker 1: stinking up the place. And even though Tommy Kotchman, a 311 00:15:27,398 --> 00:15:29,198 Speaker 1: great manager and good friend, would put him in a 312 00:15:29,238 --> 00:15:33,998 Speaker 1: plastic bag to to spare everybody. I mean, it's really horrible. 313 00:15:34,278 --> 00:15:37,118 Speaker 1: But for me, I put the same sock and shoe 314 00:15:36,758 --> 00:15:39,638 Speaker 1: on the left sock and left you on first all 315 00:15:39,638 --> 00:15:42,078 Speaker 1: the time. And I still do that, uh, I mean 316 00:15:42,198 --> 00:15:44,398 Speaker 1: did it this morning with my my ugs before I 317 00:15:44,438 --> 00:15:47,038 Speaker 1: came downstairs and put the left sock. When I go 318 00:15:47,118 --> 00:15:49,558 Speaker 1: play golf and be left sock, left shoe first before 319 00:15:49,558 --> 00:15:51,998 Speaker 1: we go to the right and right. I I can't 320 00:15:51,998 --> 00:15:55,958 Speaker 1: give you the genesis of that. Back in the day, Yeah, 321 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:58,558 Speaker 1: as a young manager, you'd have to, like you'd win 322 00:15:58,598 --> 00:16:00,398 Speaker 1: a game and try to remember everything you had done 323 00:16:00,438 --> 00:16:03,038 Speaker 1: that day in order to do it again the next day. 324 00:16:03,038 --> 00:16:07,478 Speaker 1: And that became really really difficult on me personally. So 325 00:16:07,558 --> 00:16:11,318 Speaker 1: eventually said that's enough, No more of these little just 326 00:16:11,358 --> 00:16:14,118 Speaker 1: being a little stitious, No more of that, just keep 327 00:16:14,158 --> 00:16:16,718 Speaker 1: moving forward, stop doing that to yourself. So I just 328 00:16:16,718 --> 00:16:20,358 Speaker 1: settled on one thing, left sock, left shoe first, and 329 00:16:20,398 --> 00:16:22,718 Speaker 1: they go on with my day. I love that, not 330 00:16:22,878 --> 00:16:27,838 Speaker 1: be superstitious, not even be a little stitches that. So 331 00:16:27,878 --> 00:16:31,038 Speaker 1: I gotta call you on something. This is probably not superstitious, 332 00:16:31,118 --> 00:16:33,878 Speaker 1: but he got two thousand and two, the Angels are 333 00:16:33,918 --> 00:16:36,678 Speaker 1: going to the seventh game, They're gonna win the World Series. 334 00:16:37,358 --> 00:16:41,078 Speaker 1: And you've got your old Angels hat, which is a 335 00:16:41,118 --> 00:16:43,678 Speaker 1: favorite of your dad. Your dad's hat, old Angels hat, 336 00:16:43,718 --> 00:16:46,598 Speaker 1: periwinkle blue, I think, and you brought it out with 337 00:16:46,638 --> 00:16:49,838 Speaker 1: you in the dugout to see so your dad could 338 00:16:49,838 --> 00:16:53,638 Speaker 1: see the last out of the Angels World Championship. And 339 00:16:53,678 --> 00:16:59,158 Speaker 1: then it also played a role in with the Cubs. Correct. Yeah, 340 00:16:59,158 --> 00:17:02,278 Speaker 1: my dad passed away in two thousand and two, and uh, 341 00:17:02,438 --> 00:17:05,078 Speaker 1: he had he'd worn this hat finished the shop, the 342 00:17:05,118 --> 00:17:08,198 Speaker 1: plumbing shop downstairs. That was his hat. So when I 343 00:17:08,238 --> 00:17:11,478 Speaker 1: went home for the funeral, I brought the hat back 344 00:17:11,518 --> 00:17:13,478 Speaker 1: with me, put it in my bag, and and that 345 00:17:13,598 --> 00:17:16,118 Speaker 1: hat has been the every game ever since that day 346 00:17:16,198 --> 00:17:18,438 Speaker 1: when I brought it back. Um, and I have it 347 00:17:18,558 --> 00:17:22,278 Speaker 1: upstairs right now in my backpack. But that on the 348 00:17:22,598 --> 00:17:25,038 Speaker 1: day in in uh we're talking about two thousand two, 349 00:17:25,038 --> 00:17:27,398 Speaker 1: I kept it up in my locker during the game, 350 00:17:27,678 --> 00:17:30,598 Speaker 1: and um, all the games, but I'd run up there 351 00:17:30,678 --> 00:17:32,918 Speaker 1: touch it when things got kind of hot, but that, 352 00:17:32,998 --> 00:17:36,278 Speaker 1: particularly the seventh game, required more than that. I went 353 00:17:36,358 --> 00:17:38,518 Speaker 1: up and got it, and really right around the time 354 00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:42,278 Speaker 1: that we did come back, when Ortiz was pitching, came 355 00:17:42,278 --> 00:17:45,838 Speaker 1: it back down and put it underneath my books. They 356 00:17:45,878 --> 00:17:49,118 Speaker 1: built a little desk there in the corner of the dugouts. 357 00:17:49,198 --> 00:17:51,638 Speaker 1: Because I was I laid out all my stuff back 358 00:17:51,678 --> 00:17:54,838 Speaker 1: then and put it underneath there so it could face 359 00:17:54,878 --> 00:17:57,998 Speaker 1: the field and he could actually see the action. And 360 00:17:58,038 --> 00:18:00,678 Speaker 1: I did and if and he was there for that 361 00:18:00,838 --> 00:18:03,918 Speaker 1: fly ball to arsty And then of course I left 362 00:18:03,958 --> 00:18:05,598 Speaker 1: that there, which really panicked me because I had to 363 00:18:05,598 --> 00:18:07,998 Speaker 1: find it right after after the celebration and then it 364 00:18:09,758 --> 00:18:13,078 Speaker 1: rain delay. I go upstairs, Um, it's in my bag. 365 00:18:13,598 --> 00:18:16,118 Speaker 1: I had some kind of had my hoodie on, took 366 00:18:16,158 --> 00:18:18,038 Speaker 1: it and stuff the hat, you know, down the back 367 00:18:18,078 --> 00:18:19,838 Speaker 1: of your pants where your belt is, and it keeps 368 00:18:19,838 --> 00:18:21,358 Speaker 1: it in there nice and snug. So I brought them 369 00:18:21,358 --> 00:18:25,398 Speaker 1: back out for that final moment of the World Series 370 00:18:25,398 --> 00:18:30,718 Speaker 1: of victory. To my dad was such an avid fan 371 00:18:30,838 --> 00:18:32,918 Speaker 1: of any sport. He used to watch roller derby if 372 00:18:32,958 --> 00:18:35,758 Speaker 1: it was on, but it was important for him to 373 00:18:35,798 --> 00:18:38,318 Speaker 1: be there, and uh, you know, that's the one thing 374 00:18:38,598 --> 00:18:41,358 Speaker 1: of all the things that have happened to my professional 375 00:18:41,398 --> 00:18:42,878 Speaker 1: life is the fact that my dad saw me as 376 00:18:42,878 --> 00:18:44,918 Speaker 1: an interim manager a couple of times, but never saw 377 00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:48,518 Speaker 1: me as an actual manager of a team. And that's 378 00:18:48,558 --> 00:18:51,918 Speaker 1: too bad because him and my uncle's the biggest fans ever. 379 00:18:52,038 --> 00:18:54,078 Speaker 1: But point is, my dad was there for the last 380 00:18:54,078 --> 00:18:56,678 Speaker 1: out of two thousand and two and two thousand and 381 00:18:56,718 --> 00:19:00,198 Speaker 1: sixteen with me on the bench. Oh that is so cool. Well, 382 00:19:00,638 --> 00:19:03,078 Speaker 1: you know, I always say, you know that rain delay 383 00:19:03,358 --> 00:19:06,598 Speaker 1: really worked in the Cub's favor in Game seven twenties sixteen. 384 00:19:06,638 --> 00:19:08,438 Speaker 1: You know, some people said it would have taken an 385 00:19:08,478 --> 00:19:10,518 Speaker 1: act of God for the Cubs to win a World 386 00:19:10,598 --> 00:19:13,398 Speaker 1: Series one day. Well, there you had it. You know, 387 00:19:13,478 --> 00:19:17,278 Speaker 1: I remember myself being downstairs. I was in the photo well, 388 00:19:17,358 --> 00:19:20,238 Speaker 1: right next to the Cubs dugout. Uh. And let me 389 00:19:20,238 --> 00:19:23,198 Speaker 1: tell you, after the home run by Roj Davis, that 390 00:19:23,238 --> 00:19:27,078 Speaker 1: team was flat. It was stunned. And I'll never forget 391 00:19:27,238 --> 00:19:30,358 Speaker 1: when that team came back to the dugout after that 392 00:19:30,478 --> 00:19:33,518 Speaker 1: meeting they had and that brief rain delay, it was 393 00:19:33,678 --> 00:19:37,038 Speaker 1: like a high school football team taking the field on 394 00:19:37,078 --> 00:19:40,798 Speaker 1: Friday night. That's how loud, that's how energized that team was. 395 00:19:40,838 --> 00:19:43,558 Speaker 1: Of course Schwarberg gets the lead off base hit and 396 00:19:43,558 --> 00:19:45,558 Speaker 1: he's like the captain of the high school football team 397 00:19:45,598 --> 00:19:48,878 Speaker 1: his whole life. Uh, And it was often running from there. 398 00:19:48,958 --> 00:19:51,998 Speaker 1: So the energy that took place in that on the 399 00:19:52,038 --> 00:19:54,038 Speaker 1: cub side of the field, I can tell you I 400 00:19:54,158 --> 00:19:56,038 Speaker 1: felt it. It was palpable. I don't know if you 401 00:19:56,158 --> 00:19:58,958 Speaker 1: felt it, but I sure did, Joe, of course I did. 402 00:19:59,038 --> 00:20:00,598 Speaker 1: I mean coming out of the dugout, coming out of 403 00:20:00,598 --> 00:20:02,878 Speaker 1: the clubhouse with the said whoa, I mean, it was 404 00:20:02,918 --> 00:20:05,638 Speaker 1: absolutely and fire. The guys are ready to go. And 405 00:20:05,638 --> 00:20:09,038 Speaker 1: you're right, Schwarbz is the uh spearheaded that whole group. 406 00:20:09,038 --> 00:20:10,918 Speaker 1: I mean, you're right here. This is a captain of 407 00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:13,278 Speaker 1: a football team. And he did, he got on base 408 00:20:13,318 --> 00:20:15,518 Speaker 1: and then we ran for him and more did his 409 00:20:15,598 --> 00:20:18,078 Speaker 1: job too. So it was just a unique moment in 410 00:20:18,198 --> 00:20:21,558 Speaker 1: time and history as a with within the sport itself. 411 00:20:21,598 --> 00:20:23,758 Speaker 1: For me on a personal level, being able to observe 412 00:20:23,798 --> 00:20:28,358 Speaker 1: it your guys doing exactly that, um once once in 413 00:20:28,358 --> 00:20:31,118 Speaker 1: a century kind of moment, I guess, and uh, really 414 00:20:31,158 --> 00:20:34,838 Speaker 1: fortunate to have been part of that. Man. Very cool. Hey, listen, 415 00:20:34,918 --> 00:20:37,078 Speaker 1: you know, I know any fan knows one of the 416 00:20:37,078 --> 00:20:39,718 Speaker 1: toughest things to do in postseason baseball is to come 417 00:20:39,758 --> 00:20:42,758 Speaker 1: from behind and win a game. Well, the Padres did 418 00:20:42,838 --> 00:20:46,078 Speaker 1: that in Game two the NLCS, and we'll dive into 419 00:20:46,118 --> 00:20:56,678 Speaker 1: that Welcome Back to the Book of Joe podcast. I 420 00:20:56,798 --> 00:20:59,758 Speaker 1: mentioned to come from behind win by San Diego and 421 00:20:59,878 --> 00:21:02,878 Speaker 1: game two they were down for nothing. I mean that 422 00:21:03,078 --> 00:21:05,758 Speaker 1: is a mount every wrist in a postseason environment to 423 00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:08,118 Speaker 1: try to come back from four and yet they did 424 00:21:08,918 --> 00:21:11,358 Speaker 1: came from behind the win eight three to even that 425 00:21:11,518 --> 00:21:15,838 Speaker 1: series at one one. Uh. Really interesting comeback, Joe. And 426 00:21:15,918 --> 00:21:18,798 Speaker 1: usually you think about scratching out some hits. Maybe walk, 427 00:21:18,878 --> 00:21:20,918 Speaker 1: move the guy over, get him in. It began with 428 00:21:20,998 --> 00:21:24,438 Speaker 1: two swings on two fastballs back to back Brandon Drewelry 429 00:21:24,678 --> 00:21:27,398 Speaker 1: and Josh Bell. Now all of a sudden, the Padres 430 00:21:27,438 --> 00:21:30,438 Speaker 1: are back in the game. So give me an idea 431 00:21:30,478 --> 00:21:33,678 Speaker 1: when you're in that postseason game, in that environment. When 432 00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:37,478 Speaker 1: let's face it, it was really Reese Hoskins who told 433 00:21:37,478 --> 00:21:40,038 Speaker 1: me this. He said, Man, my first postseason, it feels 434 00:21:40,118 --> 00:21:43,598 Speaker 1: like a walk is a rally, like the crowd gets 435 00:21:43,718 --> 00:21:46,478 Speaker 1: into it looking for anything to get them going. That 436 00:21:46,598 --> 00:21:49,598 Speaker 1: happened in San Diego. So as a manager, you've got 437 00:21:49,598 --> 00:21:52,678 Speaker 1: a team coming from behind. How do you play it out? Yeah, 438 00:21:52,758 --> 00:21:55,158 Speaker 1: it's it's it's very difficult. First of all, I think 439 00:21:55,238 --> 00:21:57,198 Speaker 1: it's great to get on top. Normally, the team that 440 00:21:57,238 --> 00:21:59,878 Speaker 1: scores first the percentage of that team winning a game 441 00:21:59,958 --> 00:22:03,238 Speaker 1: with whether it's playoffs or regular season. It's one of 442 00:22:03,238 --> 00:22:05,958 Speaker 1: my edicts with the group. I always want to score 443 00:22:06,038 --> 00:22:09,158 Speaker 1: first and score last, and I think that really normally 444 00:22:09,198 --> 00:22:12,278 Speaker 1: set you up for success. Situation like that, to get 445 00:22:12,278 --> 00:22:16,598 Speaker 1: down by four points, and especially against the picture like Noah, 446 00:22:16,638 --> 00:22:20,078 Speaker 1: that is really a very difficult thought. But I mean 447 00:22:20,278 --> 00:22:22,438 Speaker 1: the fact that they struck back with the long ball 448 00:22:22,518 --> 00:22:26,398 Speaker 1: that absolutely energized the dugout. And by the way, Drury 449 00:22:26,478 --> 00:22:28,518 Speaker 1: to me is going to be is one of the 450 00:22:28,718 --> 00:22:33,598 Speaker 1: unsung members of this cast. Everybody is highlighting other players 451 00:22:33,598 --> 00:22:35,518 Speaker 1: on this team. I'm a big fan there. Um, I 452 00:22:35,598 --> 00:22:37,958 Speaker 1: was a really big fan. We were hoping to get 453 00:22:38,038 --> 00:22:40,318 Speaker 1: him in Anaheim last year. It didn't work out, but 454 00:22:40,878 --> 00:22:43,638 Speaker 1: I've been when this guy was in Arizona. I like 455 00:22:43,798 --> 00:22:46,278 Speaker 1: this fellow a lot, so just be heads up with him. 456 00:22:46,318 --> 00:22:50,358 Speaker 1: But to do that, and then of course Nola and Noah, Wow, 457 00:22:50,398 --> 00:22:54,238 Speaker 1: how about the conversations and Thanksgiving and Christmas with that? Um? 458 00:22:54,278 --> 00:22:56,678 Speaker 1: That was a that was a pretty interesting and big moment. 459 00:22:56,758 --> 00:22:59,238 Speaker 1: But to be able to turn the tight so quickly 460 00:22:59,878 --> 00:23:03,678 Speaker 1: was important to continue to chip away. Having to do 461 00:23:03,718 --> 00:23:06,038 Speaker 1: that against bullpen bullpen bullpen, the latter part of the 462 00:23:06,078 --> 00:23:09,158 Speaker 1: game may have become more difficult, but to flip it 463 00:23:09,238 --> 00:23:11,958 Speaker 1: so quickly it's exactly what you probably need to do 464 00:23:11,998 --> 00:23:14,878 Speaker 1: in that moment, and it was very interesting to watch. 465 00:23:14,878 --> 00:23:17,358 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden advantage comes back to 466 00:23:17,438 --> 00:23:20,878 Speaker 1: the other team with the padre. So uh interesting game. 467 00:23:21,678 --> 00:23:25,158 Speaker 1: Home runs very uplifting in that moment. But brother run, Brother, 468 00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:27,758 Speaker 1: big knock. To write Central, that is kind of an 469 00:23:27,758 --> 00:23:30,998 Speaker 1: interesting part of this whole playoff picture right now. No, man, 470 00:23:31,198 --> 00:23:34,118 Speaker 1: like you're you're speaking my language. I've got two older brothers, 471 00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:38,198 Speaker 1: And when Austin Nolan got that hit, I was thinking, man, 472 00:23:38,518 --> 00:23:40,918 Speaker 1: that this is like big brother wins a game. This 473 00:23:40,998 --> 00:23:43,958 Speaker 1: is planned one on one in the driveway or twenty one, 474 00:23:44,158 --> 00:23:46,718 Speaker 1: or it's playing strike out at the local school yard, 475 00:23:47,198 --> 00:23:49,758 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Man, it's a little brother. You're always 476 00:23:49,838 --> 00:23:52,038 Speaker 1: trying to beat your big brother. And big brother got 477 00:23:52,078 --> 00:23:56,038 Speaker 1: him again this time in a huge moment. I thought, 478 00:23:56,318 --> 00:23:59,878 Speaker 1: because Kim has taken off, Kim has taken off from 479 00:23:59,878 --> 00:24:02,518 Speaker 1: first base on a straight steel it's two straight count 480 00:24:03,318 --> 00:24:06,638 Speaker 1: and Austin was just committed to putting the ball and play. 481 00:24:06,718 --> 00:24:09,078 Speaker 1: You could see that he's done that throughout the postseason. 482 00:24:09,558 --> 00:24:12,358 Speaker 1: And Keim obviously he's taken off. There's no sense and 483 00:24:12,438 --> 00:24:14,198 Speaker 1: trying to read the ball. If it's a line drive, 484 00:24:14,238 --> 00:24:16,758 Speaker 1: it's caught. He's gonna be out anyway. He keeps going 485 00:24:16,798 --> 00:24:20,318 Speaker 1: and man, he's flying around the basis. And wow, that 486 00:24:20,438 --> 00:24:23,118 Speaker 1: was sort of like you see an avalanche beginning to grow. 487 00:24:23,998 --> 00:24:25,918 Speaker 1: That was when it began. Well, how about just the 488 00:24:25,958 --> 00:24:28,078 Speaker 1: fact that if your brother gets that hit, I mean, 489 00:24:28,118 --> 00:24:29,718 Speaker 1: what does that do to you on the mountain and 490 00:24:30,118 --> 00:24:33,438 Speaker 1: in such a big moment of a Major League Baseball 491 00:24:33,438 --> 00:24:37,118 Speaker 1: playoff game, Obviously that had to be a little bit buckling, uh, 492 00:24:37,158 --> 00:24:41,078 Speaker 1: to Arnola the picture at that particular moment, and uh 493 00:24:41,238 --> 00:24:45,118 Speaker 1: that there's there's all these complicating factors that occurred just 494 00:24:45,238 --> 00:24:48,118 Speaker 1: by brother hitting line drive to right central beyond just 495 00:24:48,238 --> 00:24:50,238 Speaker 1: the basic the right center. Yeah, and you know what 496 00:24:50,438 --> 00:24:52,958 Speaker 1: in that sequence and that inning, you know they were 497 00:24:52,958 --> 00:24:57,238 Speaker 1: getting some well struck hits off of Nola and you look, 498 00:24:57,238 --> 00:24:58,878 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you look at this when you're 499 00:24:58,878 --> 00:25:01,638 Speaker 1: watching a picture and deciding when to take him out. 500 00:25:01,678 --> 00:25:04,078 Speaker 1: But it wasn't just they were getting some hits. They 501 00:25:04,078 --> 00:25:07,758 Speaker 1: were squaring balls up repeatedly, and Rob Thompson did not 502 00:25:08,078 --> 00:25:11,478 Speaker 1: want to go to his best lefty, which was Alvarado, 503 00:25:12,118 --> 00:25:14,118 Speaker 1: because he thought it was a little too early. He 504 00:25:14,198 --> 00:25:17,118 Speaker 1: also mentioned that Alvarado pitched the night before. I didn't 505 00:25:17,198 --> 00:25:19,278 Speaker 1: quite get that. If you're going to use him anyway, 506 00:25:19,478 --> 00:25:21,678 Speaker 1: you know what's the difference. And he wasn't gonna use 507 00:25:21,718 --> 00:25:23,878 Speaker 1: him if he had to lead late. So he tried 508 00:25:23,918 --> 00:25:26,758 Speaker 1: to navigate that fifth ending by leaving Nola in a 509 00:25:26,798 --> 00:25:29,398 Speaker 1: little longer, which is I don't have a problem with Nola. 510 00:25:29,438 --> 00:25:32,598 Speaker 1: Is one of your best pitchers. Uh. And his choice 511 00:25:32,598 --> 00:25:35,478 Speaker 1: though was brad Hand rather than Alvarado. And then the 512 00:25:35,478 --> 00:25:37,878 Speaker 1: game got away. Well, part of it might just be 513 00:25:37,998 --> 00:25:40,438 Speaker 1: Alvarado may have not gotten through his whole routine to 514 00:25:40,518 --> 00:25:42,758 Speaker 1: that particular point and was may not have been able 515 00:25:42,758 --> 00:25:46,398 Speaker 1: to get ready in time. Uh. Hand may have been alerted. Yeah, 516 00:25:46,438 --> 00:25:47,878 Speaker 1: he didn't get him up at all. I mean he 517 00:25:47,958 --> 00:25:50,798 Speaker 1: got he got Hand up as Soto was coming up. 518 00:25:50,838 --> 00:25:53,158 Speaker 1: So it was trust and Nola and then a it's 519 00:25:53,158 --> 00:25:55,518 Speaker 1: too early to go to Alvarado. I want hand on 520 00:25:55,638 --> 00:25:58,838 Speaker 1: cronin Worth, and he figured that's my third out and 521 00:25:58,878 --> 00:26:00,878 Speaker 1: then I can get hand out and go to my righties. 522 00:26:01,038 --> 00:26:03,558 Speaker 1: But then he hit him with a pitch, and obviously 523 00:26:03,598 --> 00:26:07,038 Speaker 1: with the readbatter role, he had to leave hand in 524 00:26:07,078 --> 00:26:09,518 Speaker 1: there against Drewelry, which is not a matchup he would 525 00:26:09,518 --> 00:26:11,198 Speaker 1: want at any point. Correct. I mean, all the all 526 00:26:11,238 --> 00:26:14,398 Speaker 1: those things conspire in that moment, but um, it's hard 527 00:26:14,558 --> 00:26:16,998 Speaker 1: all the time, like unless you really had that before 528 00:26:17,038 --> 00:26:19,838 Speaker 1: the inning began, and that kind of happened pretty quickly overall, 529 00:26:20,358 --> 00:26:24,358 Speaker 1: Um that I'm gonna have Alvarado ready if it gets 530 00:26:24,398 --> 00:26:26,998 Speaker 1: to this guy in the fifth inning. Now, I would 531 00:26:27,038 --> 00:26:29,438 Speaker 1: say if that was the sixth game of the series 532 00:26:29,518 --> 00:26:31,318 Speaker 1: or the seventh game of the series, it may have 533 00:26:31,358 --> 00:26:34,838 Speaker 1: been different. You might have seen Alarado prepared at that 534 00:26:34,878 --> 00:26:38,398 Speaker 1: particular moment. But under the circumstances with the one game 535 00:26:38,478 --> 00:26:40,358 Speaker 1: lead and we're you know, we've already got that in 536 00:26:40,398 --> 00:26:43,358 Speaker 1: our back pocket. Uh, they may have chosen to play 537 00:26:43,398 --> 00:26:45,558 Speaker 1: it out this way. And I'm certain that Robbie had 538 00:26:45,558 --> 00:26:48,438 Speaker 1: thought about that before the game began, that I'm gonna 539 00:26:48,518 --> 00:26:52,238 Speaker 1: work my lefties this way in this particular game, And um, 540 00:26:52,358 --> 00:26:54,078 Speaker 1: I I don't fault him for that at all. It's 541 00:26:54,118 --> 00:26:57,838 Speaker 1: it's hard to um have your guy ready in so 542 00:26:57,918 --> 00:27:01,478 Speaker 1: many different innings, especially that early in the series. Yeah, 543 00:27:01,518 --> 00:27:04,078 Speaker 1: I agree, you know, it's it's not a second game us. 544 00:27:04,198 --> 00:27:06,598 Speaker 1: It's just you know, the three batter rule really kind 545 00:27:06,598 --> 00:27:09,358 Speaker 1: of blew up on Thompson there. Because, yeah, I agree, 546 00:27:09,438 --> 00:27:12,198 Speaker 1: fifth inning in Game two is really not the spot 547 00:27:12,238 --> 00:27:14,958 Speaker 1: for Alvarado. It was hand on cronin Worth, but it 548 00:27:14,958 --> 00:27:17,638 Speaker 1: blew up once they hit my pitch. Brought up Drewry, 549 00:27:17,678 --> 00:27:20,318 Speaker 1: and I'm glad you brought up Brandon Drewery. By the way, 550 00:27:20,358 --> 00:27:23,558 Speaker 1: it's a great story. You know you mentioned the Angels 551 00:27:23,558 --> 00:27:27,838 Speaker 1: wanted to sign him. He was literally driving to Angels 552 00:27:27,878 --> 00:27:31,278 Speaker 1: camp to your camp. He had no offers last year, 553 00:27:31,278 --> 00:27:33,118 Speaker 1: so he signed a minor league deal and he's going 554 00:27:33,158 --> 00:27:35,798 Speaker 1: to the Angels camp and his agent says, hey, listen, 555 00:27:35,798 --> 00:27:38,758 Speaker 1: we just got a call from the Reds, and Brandon's like, 556 00:27:38,798 --> 00:27:40,638 Speaker 1: you know what, I think I've got a better chance 557 00:27:40,678 --> 00:27:43,598 Speaker 1: of playing in Cincinnati than I do with the Angels. 558 00:27:43,598 --> 00:27:46,638 Speaker 1: He's he's in Reno, Nevada, on his way to spring training. 559 00:27:47,158 --> 00:27:51,038 Speaker 1: So you know, he basically starts turning the car towards 560 00:27:51,278 --> 00:27:54,798 Speaker 1: uh the Reds camp signs with the Reds. They have 561 00:27:54,918 --> 00:27:57,238 Speaker 1: three guys get hurt before opening day. He becomes their 562 00:27:57,278 --> 00:27:59,878 Speaker 1: opening day third baseman. The best part of the story, though, 563 00:27:59,998 --> 00:28:02,278 Speaker 1: is that Brandon was one of these guys hit well 564 00:28:02,318 --> 00:28:05,038 Speaker 1: early in his career, and then he started chasing launch angle. 565 00:28:05,438 --> 00:28:09,638 Speaker 1: He got really buried and overwhelmed with the mechanics of 566 00:28:09,678 --> 00:28:11,998 Speaker 1: trying to loft the baseball, and as he said, for 567 00:28:12,078 --> 00:28:16,278 Speaker 1: three years, I literally forgot how to hit. And it 568 00:28:16,318 --> 00:28:18,838 Speaker 1: was after season he went back home to Oregon and 569 00:28:18,838 --> 00:28:20,958 Speaker 1: he hit with his dad. His dad is his hitting coach, 570 00:28:21,358 --> 00:28:23,558 Speaker 1: and he went back to just being athletic, which he's 571 00:28:23,558 --> 00:28:27,118 Speaker 1: always been, and a more natural swing. And it actually 572 00:28:27,158 --> 00:28:28,998 Speaker 1: he hit well last year with the New York Mets, 573 00:28:29,038 --> 00:28:31,318 Speaker 1: just didn't really have an opportunity to play very much. 574 00:28:31,718 --> 00:28:33,958 Speaker 1: And you're seeing it now. This guy is a force, 575 00:28:34,278 --> 00:28:38,758 Speaker 1: especially against left handed pitching. Uh. He he is a sneaky, 576 00:28:39,278 --> 00:28:42,878 Speaker 1: dangerous hitter in that lineup for San Diego. But I 577 00:28:42,918 --> 00:28:45,878 Speaker 1: love the story. A guy basically went back to square 578 00:28:45,958 --> 00:28:48,798 Speaker 1: one with his dad, almost like you know, in the 579 00:28:48,838 --> 00:28:52,398 Speaker 1: backyard as a kid, simplify things, get away from the 580 00:28:52,438 --> 00:28:55,558 Speaker 1: mechanics of lone angle. Uh, and he's an important part 581 00:28:55,558 --> 00:28:58,038 Speaker 1: of their lineup. By the way. By the way, I 582 00:28:58,038 --> 00:29:01,198 Speaker 1: gotta add this too, very humble guy. But if you're 583 00:29:01,238 --> 00:29:03,718 Speaker 1: watching these Fox broadcasts, were able to talk to some 584 00:29:03,958 --> 00:29:06,598 Speaker 1: airs in game. You know, a dude hits a home run, 585 00:29:06,678 --> 00:29:08,558 Speaker 1: we can ask him in the dugout. Hey, tell me 586 00:29:08,598 --> 00:29:11,438 Speaker 1: about that sequence there. What were you looking for? Well, 587 00:29:11,478 --> 00:29:13,958 Speaker 1: Brandon hits a home run and I go up to 588 00:29:14,078 --> 00:29:16,358 Speaker 1: him because you know, you really have to. You can't 589 00:29:16,398 --> 00:29:18,638 Speaker 1: spring it on these guys. You gotta get their permission. 590 00:29:19,358 --> 00:29:22,078 Speaker 1: And Brandon's like, you know, I really would rather not 591 00:29:22,158 --> 00:29:25,078 Speaker 1: do it. You know, he's such a humble guy. And 592 00:29:25,118 --> 00:29:27,158 Speaker 1: I was like, that's cool. And he actually came back 593 00:29:27,238 --> 00:29:30,438 Speaker 1: around and he apologized to me. He's like, I'm really sorry, 594 00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:32,438 Speaker 1: but you know, I'm not really good on camera. And 595 00:29:32,838 --> 00:29:35,278 Speaker 1: I said, dude, it's fine. You're playing a baseball game 596 00:29:35,318 --> 00:29:37,238 Speaker 1: in the NLCS. We only want to do what you 597 00:29:37,278 --> 00:29:39,358 Speaker 1: want to do. Don't sweat it. Yeah, I'm a fan. 598 00:29:39,518 --> 00:29:42,718 Speaker 1: I I didn't realize that he chased lunch Angle because 599 00:29:42,758 --> 00:29:45,598 Speaker 1: I guess I've only seen him good um, and so 600 00:29:45,838 --> 00:29:48,758 Speaker 1: the time between when I saw him well and I 601 00:29:48,798 --> 00:29:50,798 Speaker 1: didn't see him. I guess those were those years when 602 00:29:50,838 --> 00:29:53,958 Speaker 1: he was chasing the lunch angle. But I'm a big fan, 603 00:29:54,038 --> 00:29:56,438 Speaker 1: and this guy can hit. Um, he could really hit. 604 00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,398 Speaker 1: He could hit good pitching. Um, he could shock you. 605 00:29:59,438 --> 00:30:01,958 Speaker 1: He's gonna hit the ball far. He'll move a ball 606 00:30:01,998 --> 00:30:04,518 Speaker 1: with two strikes. Um. He's a tough out. He's just 607 00:30:04,558 --> 00:30:06,678 Speaker 1: a tough out and a good baseball player. So I'm 608 00:30:06,678 --> 00:30:09,238 Speaker 1: happy for a success. Yeah, I'm always happy to to 609 00:30:09,238 --> 00:30:12,038 Speaker 1: see these guys who get their first opportunity to play 610 00:30:12,078 --> 00:30:14,998 Speaker 1: postseason baseball. I think a Jeans, Sigura, and Hoskins with 611 00:30:15,038 --> 00:30:16,838 Speaker 1: the Phillis, got a whole bunch of them with the 612 00:30:16,838 --> 00:30:20,398 Speaker 1: Padres and the Phillies groups. And it reminds me Joe 613 00:30:20,438 --> 00:30:23,558 Speaker 1: of one of the great madnisms. I call them in 614 00:30:23,598 --> 00:30:26,758 Speaker 1: our book, the Book of Joe. See it with first 615 00:30:26,798 --> 00:30:30,838 Speaker 1: time eyes. I love that because if you can do that, 616 00:30:30,998 --> 00:30:33,598 Speaker 1: no matter what you're doing. We're not talking about baseball here. 617 00:30:33,638 --> 00:30:36,678 Speaker 1: This is sort of a life lesson here where everything 618 00:30:36,718 --> 00:30:38,958 Speaker 1: you see is fresh, you don't take things for granted. 619 00:30:39,038 --> 00:30:42,118 Speaker 1: That's when you're when your brain is most active. Right, 620 00:30:42,198 --> 00:30:46,198 Speaker 1: You're you're experiencing something, You're you're burning these these images 621 00:30:46,238 --> 00:30:48,598 Speaker 1: and smells and sights and your brain seeing it for 622 00:30:48,638 --> 00:30:50,518 Speaker 1: the first time. If you can do that no matter 623 00:30:50,558 --> 00:30:53,278 Speaker 1: what you're doing, it's pretty cool. And you know, it 624 00:30:53,358 --> 00:30:56,838 Speaker 1: reminds me, Joe, of when you get your first car, right. 625 00:30:57,078 --> 00:30:58,958 Speaker 1: You know, you might wind up a lot of cars 626 00:30:58,958 --> 00:31:02,078 Speaker 1: in your lifetime, but there's nothing even to this day 627 00:31:02,718 --> 00:31:06,558 Speaker 1: like your first car. For me in nineteen seventy three 628 00:31:06,638 --> 00:31:11,038 Speaker 1: Plymouth Satellite. Bucks paid cash for it with money had 629 00:31:11,078 --> 00:31:15,318 Speaker 1: saved on summer jobs. Um, and man, it was not 630 00:31:15,358 --> 00:31:17,438 Speaker 1: the prettiest thing in the world. Had some rust on 631 00:31:17,518 --> 00:31:20,158 Speaker 1: the hood, but you know those were like the old 632 00:31:20,158 --> 00:31:22,998 Speaker 1: police cars, Joe, and that that thing could run, that 633 00:31:23,078 --> 00:31:26,198 Speaker 1: had some power behind it. So I think about that 634 00:31:26,238 --> 00:31:29,478 Speaker 1: car and it's nothing you'd seen in an auto show, sparkling, 635 00:31:29,558 --> 00:31:32,918 Speaker 1: and isn't that cool? But you know, because it was 636 00:31:33,078 --> 00:31:35,558 Speaker 1: my first car, I'll always think of a seventy three 637 00:31:35,558 --> 00:31:38,718 Speaker 1: Plymouth Satellite. It's something really cool. How about you? Nice 638 00:31:38,838 --> 00:31:41,998 Speaker 1: nice pick? I mean for me, Um, the first car 639 00:31:42,038 --> 00:31:45,478 Speaker 1: actually had was a nineteen fifty three Chevy that was 640 00:31:45,518 --> 00:31:47,878 Speaker 1: a cold car. My dad bought it for twenty five 641 00:31:47,958 --> 00:31:50,838 Speaker 1: bucks and it was a three on a tree and 642 00:31:50,878 --> 00:31:53,238 Speaker 1: twice the brakes failed me once going down the hill 643 00:31:53,238 --> 00:31:55,518 Speaker 1: by twenty second street almost ended up in the woods. 644 00:31:56,398 --> 00:31:59,358 Speaker 1: And during snowstorms, um, I used to like to take 645 00:31:59,398 --> 00:32:02,758 Speaker 1: it out and drive it into piles of snow and 646 00:32:02,758 --> 00:32:05,198 Speaker 1: then try to get out going to reverse like nobody 647 00:32:05,198 --> 00:32:08,278 Speaker 1: on the streets. I'm in Hazelton, I mean, really horrific 648 00:32:08,358 --> 00:32:11,478 Speaker 1: snowstorm fantastic. So I go out there with this fifty 649 00:32:11,518 --> 00:32:13,998 Speaker 1: three Chevy three on the tree, all by myself, no radio, 650 00:32:14,078 --> 00:32:16,638 Speaker 1: barely the heater works, and I found it to be 651 00:32:16,678 --> 00:32:18,838 Speaker 1: a lot of fun to drive it into large snowbacks 652 00:32:18,838 --> 00:32:22,558 Speaker 1: and it's even with telephone poles like packed inside. I 653 00:32:22,558 --> 00:32:24,598 Speaker 1: don't even know what I was thinking, but I would 654 00:32:24,638 --> 00:32:26,438 Speaker 1: do that, and it was so much fun to drive 655 00:32:26,478 --> 00:32:29,518 Speaker 1: that thing around. Eventually it rested out so bad the 656 00:32:29,518 --> 00:32:33,718 Speaker 1: floorboards came out whatever, But the fifty three Chevy. I 657 00:32:33,718 --> 00:32:35,758 Speaker 1: think it was a bell Air with the three on 658 00:32:35,838 --> 00:32:39,278 Speaker 1: the tree for five bucks. Uh, something I'll never forget. 659 00:32:39,518 --> 00:32:44,718 Speaker 1: I love it. See it with first time. It's great advice, 660 00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:48,158 Speaker 1: and so is. Read the Book of Joe and listen 661 00:32:48,238 --> 00:32:51,158 Speaker 1: to the Book of Joe podcasts. We'll be back with 662 00:32:51,158 --> 00:32:55,598 Speaker 1: you with another episode next time. Lots to talk about cars, music, 663 00:32:55,958 --> 00:32:59,678 Speaker 1: especially postseason baseball Joe, It's always a blast man. Talk 664 00:32:59,718 --> 00:33:02,078 Speaker 1: to you next time. Thanks Tommy, great job is always Buddy. 665 00:33:02,158 --> 00:33:13,438 Speaker 1: Thank you m. The Book of Joe podcast is a 666 00:33:13,438 --> 00:33:16,438 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. 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