WEBVTT - S2E5 - Dust and Shadows 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:38.760 Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome back to Return to the Shadows. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.920 How are you, don fantastic? How are you? I'm good, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.919 I'm good. I'm currently in a trailer in the rain 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.360 in New Mexico. So it's it's quite a likely day 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.600 to New Mexico. Yes, and when you're doing a Western 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:58.120 that leads to so many lightning delays, exciting day for you. Indeed, 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:03.000 tomorrow is the big day for Walker Independence. We premiere 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.680 on well today as October five, but you know tomorrow 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.120 will be October six. I don't know when this episode 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.200 is gonna come out, but hey, thank you appreciate it. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:13.840 It's gonna be a hit. I can feel it. I 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:18.080 can feel my phones. Oh here's open speaking of big hits, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.800 our characters who took a big hit last episode. And 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.800 there's there's a particular big hit that I really love 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.840 in this episode. But let's let's dive in, shall we. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.800 So today we are what I'm like trying to remember 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.600 what happens in this episode that such episode. Yeah, oh well, 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.640 well we'll come to it. It's it's maybe less of 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.920 a hit and more of a blast, as it were. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.240 I see, I see very clever. Well, cat tell Us 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.400 what we're in for. Yeah, we are on too. Season two, 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.800 episode five of shadow Hunters and titled Dust and Shadows. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:58.279 It aired on January. Written by the lovely Zach Hug 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.480 who we adore ever so much, directed by the also 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.520 lovely Sally Richardson Whitfield, who I am so proud of 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.680 and has gone on to do so many incredible things. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.840 Starring Kevin McNamara myself as Clary Fray, Dominic Sherwood, is 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.680 Jas whaland Alberta Rosende, Matthew Didaria, Emard to be A 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.359 as A Mustafa, Harry Sham Jr. Christina Cox, Maxim Roy, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:24.679 Nick Sagar, Stephanie Belding, and Stephanie Bennett. We have such 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.440 a great group, John tell us what we're in for Today? 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.680 The shadow Hunters tried to regroup after the recent attack 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.320 on the Institute. The shadow Hunters, left devastated and wounded, 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.200 tried to regroup. Each of the shadow Hunters deals with 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.360 the situation their own way. Meanwhile, Simon moves home but 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.200 finds it's not so easy to put off his new 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.120 life with his family around. Oh my goodness, so many 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.600 things happened in this episode. So when we left off, 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:54.080 we had a catatonic clary A Jace who had just 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:58.040 gotten back from the City of Bones and uh An. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.080 Alec realized he had just killed not only this new 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.160 little girl's mother but his parabatized mom or so he understands, 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.000 and I mom, I completely completely forgot this scene existed 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.880 between you and Alec on the roof, and it's so 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.119 lovely because it's very rare that we get to see 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:19.840 these moments with YouTube parabtize, just having a conversation and 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.840 not trying to kill something totally. I remember talking to 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.639 Matt about this at the time, you know, especially as 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.919 young men, and we talked very often about how forward 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.720 thinking this show was, especially for young women for sort 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:36.000 of marginalized groups, which I think is vital. But we 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.360 also get to touch on little things like this, like 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.360 sort of men who don't really share their feelings correctly 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.600 and rather sort of bottle it up, which is somewhat 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.920 indoctrinated it. I feel like it's getting a little better 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.720 now within society, but somewhat indoctrinated into a lot of 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.040 men of my generation. And every now and then we 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.360 get these really lovely moments between two adult men who 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.520 are warriors who were trying to compound their feelings and 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.760 not explore them correctly, And every now and then we 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.600 get these little moments were try and sort of break 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.560 those barriers down, and they do. They sort of progressively 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.560 get more and more explorative and sort of intimate. When 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.400 the two of them kind of opened up with with 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.480 how they're struggling with this was, Yeah, this was as 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.039 as harrowing as this scene is, it's actually quite nice, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.000 quite a nice moment between two of them, and we 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.560 get to see, you know, Alex shooting Samarrows on the 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.400 roof and being the baddest that he is. And then again, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.040 I remember when this next scene between Clarie and Simon, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:34.200 I remember when this episode aired Originally, We've gotten and 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.760 this happened a few times in this episode. We've gotten 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.479 on such a pace and on such a role. With 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.640 the pace of shooting this season, I completely forgot this 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.960 scene existed. I forgot that I even shot this scene 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.880 with Alberto because I also got to work with him 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.640 so rarely at this point in the series. But it's, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.400 you know, it's again, it's it parallels the moment with 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.000 you and Alex. You really get to see these family 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.640 bonds that have formed, even as untradition all as they are, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.960 and see these people deal with grief and that's you know, yes, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.719 we're in a world surrounded by death, but when something 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.600 hits close to home, it's it's still you know, they're 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.719 they're human in some part in person. Absolutely, yeah, I agree. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.560 I think that was sort of the crux of our 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.119 show for a long time, is exploring these very human 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.400 emotions under the guise of this very fantastical world around it. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.880 And following that scene, we have almost immediately another scene 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.080 where we get to explore probably one of the only 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.479 emotionally sound characters in the show who has had the 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.480 time to come to terms with X, Y and Z. 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.120 But he and he's actually a wonderful example of especially 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:46.440 a man, but also everything else that makes Magnus so special. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.360 He's a wonderful example and a wonderful role model to 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.720 not only the characters in the show, but also the 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.160 audiences that were watching that these emotions can be dealt 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.240 with correctly and you can share them and can talk 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.520 about things. You know, he's had arguably one of the 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.919 most horrific part hosts of anyone watching him explore that, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.360 I think or at least I hope, and I think 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.040 Zact did a good job of this with the writing 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.520 and Sally with the directing. Gives sort of one the 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.600 credence and the freedom to explore that potentially within themselves, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.880 and like enjoying someone else do it and watching someone 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.120 else do it and doing it and seeing that they 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.320 have sort of come out of the other side, I 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.720 guess gives you the freedom to do it, which is cool. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.839 And of course Harry freaking smashes it as always, of course, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.640 you know, and there's as as always with Clary, She's 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.200 presented with different role models in different situations that you 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.680 know she could follow, but doesn't quite listen to them 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.679 entirely or at all, given that she you know, takes 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.200 this memory that Magnus gives to her, which is so beautiful, 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.760 given the fact that you know, he I think he 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.000 regarded himself as sort of the warden and the safeguard 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.520 of her memories and then they gave them up, but 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.960 the memory to even a few episodes ago and now 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.159 are almost a season ago now, and now they he 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.440 gets one back to her, which I think it's, you know, 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.080 it's he is the world out godfather that she's always 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:12.440 needed m absolutely cut to Izzy and Jay's. People still 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.520 don't like Jay's And I remember going through this. I 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.560 remember filming this and it going on for like two 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.280 or three episodes where everyone's just like, Jay sucks. And 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.720 here's the thing, they are right, an older Tree is right. 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:28.080 He has a line later on where the having the 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.000 conversation about what happened in the City of Bones and 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:31.160 he's like, what do you want You want me to 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.560 just let you die? And he's like, Yep, that's what 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.880 should have happened. That's what that's our job, that's what 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.280 we do. You should have let me die. So everyone's 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.240 correct were I went off on my own. I tried 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.120 to do it on my own, which is absolutely not 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.680 how it's done. But I do remember, like I can't 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.440 remember if he's in this episode or one of the 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.840 ones coming up, but like cleaning Gun coughs Sword, even 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.680 as an actor, I was just like, this fucking sucks 0:07:53.800 --> 0:08:01.360 is a bullshits. Not cleaning was her. Although it does 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.680 lead to in this which we'll we'll talk about a 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.679 little later on, but it does lead in this Actually 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.520 one of my favorite fight scenes that we got to 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.280 do a lot of my favorite fight scenes that that 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.480 we did sort of different tears, but one of them, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.160 one of the tears is training fight scenes because they're 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.840 because they're fun, like you're allowed to have fun with them. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.520 It's not life or death. The whole thing is we're 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.200 sort of playing with each other. And I got to 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.000 do on with Emerald, which is very rare, so that 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.440 was that was really cool this and it's actually one 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.480 of my favorites. The first time we use Carlie sticks 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.640 and yeah, it was. It was good fun. It's just 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.440 a dream of our o a boy. Um, he's chasing 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:36.840 something in his dream. I don't know what it is, 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.480 but he's he's well. And then we have a little 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:47.160 uh sibling or supposed sibling bonding over Mom's Yeah, just 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.600 a class Mom's corpse. You know, this is a great 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.320 paycheck for Maxim though for sure it's just like most 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.480 of season one, just just lie there. Then season two 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.160 one of you a couple of great episodes and then 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:00.680 we're going to pay you for an episode to just 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.079 be dead and wrapped up to just take a nap. Yeah, although, 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:08.040 can I just say how beautiful is the institute in 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:09.760 the scene, Just the way it's lit with all the 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.960 stained glass windows. Whenever they do present it as an 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:16.120 actual church, it just it does look good. The colors 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.280 are so beautiful, and I I haven't watched all of 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.640 this episode again yet, so I might be wrong when 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.200 I'm pretty sure. Right at the end, we get like 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.240 a big, big shot, like a big arching shot of 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.720 that room when we're actually doing the sort of funeral sections, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.719 which which looks pretty amazing. I'm pretty sure, but we'll 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.520 get to that. Start rushing me towards you. It's your faults. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.280 Never made it. Next, Clary after going to Simon, going 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.040 to Magnus, going to everyone and saying, look, Simon came 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.839 back to life, why not mom? Right, So she does 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.760 a little research because she knows just enough to be dangerous, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:57.080 and finds of warlock named Iris Ross who supposedly specializes 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.520 in lachrymancy and bringing things back from the dead. Enough, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.520 she goes after trust it's the cardigan. It's the cardigan 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.000 and the blouse that match for me, And I'm like, nah, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.760 this is red Red Flag City. It's literally red red flag, 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.240 literally red red flag all over. I'm not about it, 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.959 not about it. Although she was a phenomenal actor, Oh 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:19.760 my god, she was great. You know. I ran into 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.319 her on the street in Toronto about two years later, 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.960 after after she'd come back again, after everything else had happened. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.240 And it's always so nice that the Toronto film community 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.920 just bumping into people and be like, hey, what are 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.000 you up to? This is you know, it's such a lovely, 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.160 warm set of folks. It's a it's a cool like 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.440 the niceness of it, the world being so small and 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.320 that like my friend Zane who was who was on 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.680 a partner track, is doing a show up in Toronto 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:52.800 now and Diane, do you remember props. Diane reached out 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:53.920 to me and she was like, yeah, I'm doing this 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.599 show and I was like, dude, my buddy Zane is 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.120 on that. Please just give him a big hug. And 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.920 that's like really cool that like cast and crew and 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:01.880 we're all sort of starting to mingle and get to 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.080 know each other. And that was one of the privileges 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.800 of being on a show for so long, so we 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.600 get to you know, you really get to know people 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.640 and work with the whole plethora of different people from 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.000 different backgrounds and learn about people and yeah, well even 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.079 I I bumped into well, you know, we have a 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.000 couple of buddies on the Boys, and Julianne is working 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.720 on that show and has been for years. And I 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.320 bumped into somebody at UM one of the Emmy's events 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.679 this weekend and he's like, oh, I'm working with Nancy 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.800 on what we do in the Shadows. And I was like, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:37.160 oh my god, you know what, which is just amazing 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.360 for her because you know how artful she is in 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.400 that world for her must be an absolute playground. But 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.360 speaking of playgrounds, we're back to Iris Rouse's world and 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.560 the Dead Crow. I just love how there's there's just 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.080 a step for pleasantness to Irish Rowse, where everything is 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.559 just fine. Oh there's a dead crow, but it's okay. 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.560 I'll just bring it back to life. Everything's fine. Sorry 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.840 about that line was fucking weird. She was like, oh, 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.280 poor thing died this morning, so you just left it there. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.839 You just left it. You just leave it on your lawn. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:11.840 You didn't do anything to take care of Like what. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.079 There's something very odd about that to me, which I 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.560 never noticed until rewatching and I was like, that's weird. 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.000 That's a weird thing too. That's another red flag. Let's 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.200 count how many red flags Iris gives off before she 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.360 actually turned into a typer. There's at least two. And 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.200 then she's a weird doctor who lives in a you know, 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.160 has three different floors. And then she has a weird, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.080 creepy child who doesn't speak. It's very adorable. We love Madzie, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.240 but at this point I didn't. I didn't realize because 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.080 Mariana was always so adorable. I didn't realize how the 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.240 camera angle and the way that they lit her. She 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.520 just it's it's very the shining, but there's only one 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.760 of her. There's also I think for me, there's something 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.960 about like on screen seeing a child in a window, 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.320 for when the character is outside, kind of seeing anyone 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.120 in a window, just like looking down at you is 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:05.360 fucking weird, Like it's weird and uncomfortable, And that I 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.080 think is how we got introduced to Madie. So poor girl. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.440 She was set up for sort of failure until later on. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.280 Also another red flag, Hey do you want to do 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.320 I need some of your mom's hair or fingernails or something, 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.360 some sort of genetic material that I don't know if 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.160 I call that a red flag, I think that's okay, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.280 because she did she did use a feather of the 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.520 crow to bring the crow back, and we do fairly often. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.720 Maybe we haven't done it yet, but like having some 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.559 part of the person or the creature, whatever it is, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.760 to bring them back, that kind of makes sense to me. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:37.600 I'm not on her side, don't get me wrong. I'm 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:38.920 just saying I don't know if I buy that as 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.640 a red flag just yet. That's fair, that's fair. Well, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.920 now we're on to our dear friend Lewis walking down 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:49.520 the street leaving Yeah Luke a voicemail because Luke has 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.920 disappeared and we're all very worried about him, because, you know, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.840 werewolves and grief. I feel like werewolves and intense emotions 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.480 don't always mix. Well, no, not in Chase's experience anyway, 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.080 But we'll find up more about that later. And there's 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.920 Mama Lewis again, who's made dinner. Yeah, it's this. It's 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.880 so difficult for me to watch this, And if anyone 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.199 is watching this for the first time, maybe just plug 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.679 your ears for a second. But this, every every time 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.040 I see the two of them together, it reminds me 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.160 of one scene that's coming and just breaks my heart, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:24.000 breaks my every single time. But that's for a late dight. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.800 It is ah well, speaking of things that we've mentioned 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.280 and things that we thought were happening later. Now we're 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.200 back in the office with Jason alder Tree to that 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.080 scene you were mentioning where he says Hey should have died, Well, 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.120 you know, maybe you should have, alder Tree, Maybe you 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.320 should have. Maybe it would have been easier if you 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:42.960 could just let him die, But then we would have 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.800 had less next Sega, and that would have been bad. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:46.960 That would have been bad. I do love working with 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.040 Nick and watching all of this back, I remember how 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.800 cool it is working with him. He just has this 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:56.520 presence that is like confounding, like it entirely encapsulates you 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.280 as audience members as well. Now, which is one of 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:00.840 the other nice things about being able to do this. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:02.920 I get to watch this sort of purely as an 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.520 audience member, especially because these were so long ago. There 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.120 are like whole episodes that I do not remember filming 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.440 for sure, jumped back and forth and whether they were 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.320 like whole like the beginning of this episode was one 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.000 of them where I was like, I sort of vaguely 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.040 remember this and I remember reading it, but I don't 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.400 really remember being there and filming it. I don't remember 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.800 exploring this with Matt. I remember having the conversations about 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.680 the scene, but I don't remember walking on. I don't 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.400 remember someone calling action, which is a little odd. It's 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:47.840 an odd sensation to have. Can we talk about the 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.960 shot of Matt Dario in the balcony when he's just 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.960 there and Magnus shows up, and it's just he's got 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.480 that kind of like lazy stare of like, hey, I'm 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:03.680 just here, I done the area. He's heartbroken to Yeah, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.320 everybody's so sad. This is like the first time he's 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.440 ever really made his foko. This is his first like 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.680 military faux part within the shadow Hunters. Probably is, I 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.960 would imagine, right, Like he's always been the straight shooter, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.720 um and Jase has always been the yeah nice because 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.000 of the Arrows, um and Jason has always been the 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.040 one who's like, no, let's do it this way. Um yeah, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.360 I think since he was a kid. Wow, he still 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.440 has the blood on his hands, Alextell has Johnson's blood 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:36.680 on his hands. No, no, no, that's that's from the beginning, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.720 from the Arrows. Yeah, so he's sort of he's he's 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.320 it's an interesting thing, like so I saw this thing 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.080 on House the other day, but a young girl who 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.760 couldn't feel pain, And I haven't really ever watched House, 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.880 but I think it's brilliant and I'm kind of hooked. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.400 And this young girl couldn't feel any pain and as 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.000 a result didn't have She was sort of neutral all 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.200 the time because she didn't. She couldn't understand and the 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.600 disparity between happiness and sadness because both sort of fairly 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.560 physical feelings. As much as you don't necessarily see happiness 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.000 as a as a physical representation in your body, is 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.800 raises your own doorphins, and you physically feel different. And 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.639 I think it's an interesting thing with shadow on is 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.600 because we don't experience pain for very often. We do, 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.159 but it's very quick to sort of fix for the 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.320 most part. And I think he's almost like reveling in 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.879 the parallel of not reveling, that's the wrong word, but 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.400 sort of embracing the parallel of like this is emotional 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.159 pain and this is physical pain, and these two things 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:36.200 are sort of colliding in me right now, and so 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.000 I think that's why he hasn't sort of fixed himself, 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:43.320 which is again, like it's such a heartbreaking, dangerous thing 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.720 to try and you know, set up on your own. Yeah, 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.800 he has people around him. You care about him, and 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.119 that's what matters. He's going to get better. It's all 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.840 going to get better, buddy. He's going to slowly but 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.679 surely realize that people care about him and he's going 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.360 to have to let them in that nationally. But now 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.840 we have a Miss Clary sneaking in with a pair 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:07.040 of scissors to a sea to steal some hair. Which 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.600 this would have been such an easy lie for Clary 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.440 to have made, just like my mom kept your hair 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.560 as a baby. Like I just want to little keepsake, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.080 I want to make a Jocelyn box. And she's like, no, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.159 I'm gonna tell you the truth, and Chase is immediately like, 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.440 this is, by the way, the first piece of foreshadowing 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.240 for what happens at the end of the season. Do 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.280 not bring dead people back. It doesn't work, never works, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.840 doesn't work. Simon's about to funk up his ship. That 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.320 was our first time. You're about to try and do this. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.280 Doesn't work. It's going to happen a third time and 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.880 maybe even a fourth time. Is that right? Don't do it? Yeah, 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.600 I think it happens like four or five times you 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.400 bring people back from the dead, and yeah, a lot, 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.080 and it's always bad, always, always, always always. It's it's 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:56.760 like a universally understood rule in fantasy and supernatural stories. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.040 Don't bring people back from the debt. Never works, it 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.480 never turns out well, always had bad consequences. But we 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.399 do it time and time again. And you think Clary 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.480 would learn, but unfortunately she's a bit spoiled because the 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.639 only person she's brought back so far is Simon. And 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.600 you know, it was hard for a minute, but she 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.320 seems to be doing all right. For now, Yeah, for now, 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:25.520 for now. Now, speaking of a little mini intervention, I 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.399 love Alberto so much, these little things he adds in 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.840 as he gets more and more vamp skills of just 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.240 like jumping over the broken desk piece. Is this little 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.879 it's again, it's that little Peter Parker stuff where he's 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.879 starting to have fun being a vampire and it's so 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:45.720 characterful and it's so Alberto and I just Chef's kiss, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.640 Chef's kiss. Great stuff. We should have him back on. 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.199 Did we have him on? We had him on for 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.520 the turning episode, right, Yeah, we need him on for 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.159 season two, I feel like we're going to have to, 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.480 you know, keep bringing people back because there's so much 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.400 to talk a out with all these characters. If people 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.080 are available and willing and you know, y'all are willing 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:10.520 to listen to us, Reminisce. Reminisce also his sister who 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:15.040 played his sister. She's great. Remember had zero scenes with 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:19.639 Holly Holly Holly Debu. Wow, good memory. Well done. I 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.679 don't know how I got very well done. I do 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.439 love this because whereas Clary just goes, yeah, I'm going 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.720 to tell the truth and it's it's, you know, this 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.760 my hair for not a hair doll, but for you know, 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.680 my spell to bring mom back, he's like, yeah, it's 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.200 fake blood. He just chooses to come up with a 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.479 really it's basically it's fake blood that somebody told me 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.360 doing an asboard thing on stage for my band. If 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.159 it was anywhere but New York City, that sort of 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.439 a story just wouldn't work, being like, oh, yeah, I 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.080 bought fake blood out of a thermosophic guy on the street, 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.359 you know, and he lied. It works in New York 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.920 all the time, every every other street corner, basically all 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:00.760 of the odd numbers, all of the odd avenues the 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.159 whole way down. I get offered fate blood and the 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.760 thermost every time on that. And here we have training 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:10.040 scene with Izzy, which is fantastic. It was such a 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.200 fun scene to do because it's so and like we've 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.600 gotten to that place. I think as actors as this 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.000 sort of this troope, this group of people where we 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.040 do really trust each other and we work with each other, 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.720 and you know, we have those relationships sort of semi cemented, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.440 so to be able to just play around is really 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.960 good fun. I actually think this is also one of 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.280