WEBVTT - #13 - Gashi 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:04.000 That's right, ladies and gentlemen, another edition of the Bootleg 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:10.000 Camp Podcast, Episode number thirteen. That's right, man, Lucky number thirteen. 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:15.000 I'm actually in Rocky Point, Mexico right now on my 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.919 vac but you know, the show must go on. Salute 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.760 to everybody who's been supporting the podcast so far. Dope 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.280 episode for everybody. Today, Man, I'm gonna do probably another 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.280 podcast like Wednesday or Thursday this week just to kind 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.280 of touch on a lot of other stuff going on, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:30.640 a lot of hip hop stuff, just a lot of 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.760 stuff going on in the world, so be able to 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:34.199 look out for that. Probably do it with my boy 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:41.600 duve Phx. 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All right, 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.919 let's get into this interview Man Gashy, episode number thirteen. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.919 It's the Blue Leg Cab podcast, Yo, Man Blutleg Cab 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.480 Podcast with special guests, whose new project nineteen eighty four 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.400 is officially out everywhere. So Homie Gashy, Yo, what's up? 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:18.040 Thank you for having me. Let's talk about the eighties, bro. 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.000 I just want to start off because I've been listening 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:25.040 to your project and it is truly nostalgic. Yes, in 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.280 every capacity. I saw you riding around in the old 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.880 school bends. Yeah, and the DeLorean, the DeLorean, I got 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.880 the bands, I got the Royce, the Rose Royce. Nineteen 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.200 eighty four. What year were you born in? I was 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.280 born in I'm a nineties baby, okay, yeah, because I 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.000 was born in eighty seven, so I don't even remember 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:51.680 the eighties. Yeah, so what why the eighties? Basically, I'm 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:56.360 in love. I love movies, you know, I love movies, 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.839 and I have my favorite movies, you know. And one 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:05.280 thing that I found myself, so so I stopped doing 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:10.120 drugs for a while, okay, and I'm proud of myself. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.800 I don't for a while. Does that mean you're like 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:17.200 doing them again now? No, it means for a long time. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:21.000 I haven't done them, okay, and congratulations, thank you so much. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:27.599 And I feel like I found what I found my 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:33.159 drug and it was John Hughes movies. Oh wow, pretty 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:38.080 in Pink. Yeah, I think so just like those eighties 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.560 movies for the Breakfast, the Breakfast, Club, Fire, all the 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.960 just just like all those movies, even Home Alone, you know, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:50.120 like all those movies, you know, and they make me 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.680 feel like when I was an immigrant in a different 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:58.200 country because I'm not from America, so when I was 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.720 in a different country. I would watch The Ta as 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.920 a kid and be like, Yeah, I wish I lived 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:07.480 in a house. I wish I had all these family 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.840 members running around. I wish I had like a kitchen, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.560 a refrigerator in the microwave, and my own room and 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.480 stuff like that. And that was like my dream to 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:21.800 have that, Like that was always my dream. And I 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.400 watch sorry about that. I watch and listen. I watch 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:31.960 and listen to eighties music to feel like a kid, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.279 and that's my drug. So I eat a lot of food. 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.479 I have a lot of random sex. Okay, so random sex, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.600 food and eighties movies with eighties music. And that's what 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.159 got me to nineteen eighty four. And I did nineteen 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.120 eighty four twenty fifteen, I just never put it out, 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:55.960 So this is a five year old album. Now. It's 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:00.799 funny because the eighties have such a like distinct sound, 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.680 and I would almost argue that, like the popular consensus 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.479 might be that eighties music might maybe is aged worse 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:13.440 than most other decades of music. H wouldn't you say, like, 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.279 I don't know, but but it's just I think it's 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:24.159 dope because obviously it was a very brave and you 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.680 like like you did a whole album. Yeah. You know 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.839 what I'm saying, Like, you really committed, bro, Yeah, I 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.479 mean you know, twenty twenty is the new nineteen eighty four, 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.640 and I'm glad I put it out now. I remember 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:42.599 you telling me the story about how you heard Rosenberg 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.320 play your song. Yeah, Like it's almost like at the 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.320 tipping point of whether or not you're gonna keep going 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.000 one hundred percent. I was gonna drop out. You're gonna 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.640 you were taking the trash out or something, right, and 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.400 I was gonna drop out. I was gonna, no, well 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.720 not drop out. I was gonna quit music and go 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.479 back to college. Then you heard it on real late. Yeah, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.880 So my mom had a My mom had the thing. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.760 My mom had a night shift and I was driving 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.560 her a Sunday night shift twelve o'clock and while driving her, 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.600 the song came on on the radio. It was like 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.840 a sign and it was just like your mom was 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.360 in the car. Yeah, she was in the car with me. Oh, 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.480 that's gotta be crazy. Yeah. And then the feeling of 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.840 it was so amazing that I was like, yeah, I 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.760 loved the feeling so much. I was like, this is like, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.440 you know, the younger me is so nuts, like I 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:33.760 was crazy, Like I was so crazy. I understand, like 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:38.600 the way I was thinking then, I laugh, I really laughed, Like, yo, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.800 I feel the same way. Sometimes you just think back 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.400 to just the shit that you were, like that you 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.400 the way you would act, or the thoughts that used 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.600 to go through your head when you were like nineteen twenty, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.679 Like damn, well, who the fuck was I back then? Man? Exactly? 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.800 So embarrassing, you know, it is so fucking crazy. I 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.520 literally thought that I was going to be like the 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:59.800 biggest fucking rapper in the world at one point. I mean, shit, man, 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:05.560 keep chipping away, dog, No, I'm done. No, I mean artist, Well, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.720 I am going to be the biggest artist. Yeah, that's 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.320 a different story. But I thought I was gonna become 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.280 a rapper. Yo. Man, you guys gotta you gotta get 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.720 RCA in line over there. I thought they dropped the 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.720 ball on that my Year record something crazy, bro. Yeah, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.560 I thought that ship was a fucking slam dunk. I 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.080 was like, oh my god, this is the one that's 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.320 going to push him over. Yeah, Like, how does Urcay 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.280 fuck this? What up? I think it's like a perfect 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.440 example of there's certain times when like labels just don't 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.199 know how to work certain artists. Yeah, and I feel 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.680 like they don't know how to work you, and it's 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.600 like it's I'm kind of glad they didn't. That's fair 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.280 because then you would have been in that box. Yeah, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.400 you would have been into my year box. Fuck that ship. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:50.680 Like it's been two years since my year. That's crazy, right, Yeah, 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.800 it has been been almost two years. Yea, yeah, it's 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.120 been two years is my year. But I get booked 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.000 one hundred and fifty one hundred to one hundred and 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.000 fifty thousand dollars for one night, one one New Year 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:05.000 night to perform that song Solomon helps you with that out. Yeah, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.800 that's my that's my brother. I've known fifteen years. That's 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.360 my guy. So we get paid like the biggest bags 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.160 on New Years to perform that song. So I have 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.200 a song even though I'm like like a singer now artist, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.959 now pop artist, I still get booked to perform that 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.960 one record. So I'm like, I'm like Mariah Carey on 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:29.560 Christmas on New Year's because Mariah Carey, what was the 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.440 name of that one chick that had the graduation record? 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:42.040 What was that? What graduation? That song? It's like that's 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.200 like the graduation song, and that's like her only record. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.720 But it's like, you know, but you still play it 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.040 there forever. It's like a song that will be there 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:55.360 forever that my years exactly. So my year started a 0:09:55.480 --> 0:10:00.160 year after it came out. Started the baseball champion start, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.280 the baseball season, ended the baseball season at the championship started, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.560 the basketball season, ended the basketball season's championship. So no 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.920 matter what you say, it's gonna be my year, It's 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.400 gonna be my year forever. So I will forever have 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.160 that song put money in my pockets and my family pocket. 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.800 It's beautiful, man. Yeah. But going back to what I 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.840 was saying, I was, you know, I I fell in 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:32.000 love with feeling like a kid again. And I made 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:36.760 this album twenty fifteen, and I made it for myself. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:38.840 I didn't want to share it with the world. It 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.200 was kind of like my Xenax was like me, just 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.319 every time I would go through my problems, I would 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.120 play the record. I'd be in my house, I turn 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.600 on an eighties movie. I'd make like a new tell 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.719 a sandwich and feel like a kid with no problems, 0:10:55.040 --> 0:11:01.720 and that would get me through life. COVID happened, everyone 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.840 hit rock bottom. I felt it was right to put 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:10.560 this out, and it's been the greatest responses I've ever 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.680 had in my entire career for any project, any song 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.760 that I've ever released. And I've released a lot of 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.000 songs that've gotten me a lot of me for a 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.360 couple of years. Yes, they've gotten me a lot of love, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.360 you know. But I've went platinum, you know, on records, 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.800 I've went triple platinum or records I've I've done so 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.520 much and I'm still treated like an underground artist, which 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.240 I love. And the door because I don't want to 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:40.400 be the number one artist. Then everybody forgets about and 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.080 no one cares about because you know, the number one 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.520 artists are not cool and the artists that are number 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.800 one are not played at the parties I attend. So 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.480 and that's something that I learned from a guy named 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.880 Black Coffee. Black Coffee, Yeah, shout the black Coffee. He 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.280 taught me that, and I had to store that in 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.880 my head, you know. And nineteen eighty four was not 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:08.719 made for mainstream. I mean, listen, I feel like when 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.760 I heard it, I was like, this is a this 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.600 is like one of those projects. That's like, it's not 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.000 like you said, it didn't feel like it was made 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.920 for radio. It just felt like, hey, it's a concept echo. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:24.600 I remember when I was a kid, Prince Paul put 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.760 out an album that was it was like a movie 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.880 on I think it was called like The Prince of 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.360 Thieves or some shit, but it was like fifty songs 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.439 and it was like a movie. It was like, Yo, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.520 this is like dope, it's just a creative Like it's 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.240 just first of all, your creator first. You're an artist first, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.240 and I think that's true artistry. You're not making it 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.600 for you know, the accolades as much as it's like, yo, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.960 why not do a concept album in twenty twenty, because 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.040 nobody does that shit no more. Yeah, the idea of 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.839 a concept album is like gone away with Spotify and 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.120 playlists and all that shit. Yeah, I mean, kids are 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.960 making music for playlists and I'm not. And I feel 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:04.800 like I feel like, you know, some of the greatest 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.280 people have hit me up after this album. I mean, 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.600 you have sting on a song I know. And now 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.439 I'm not even gonna lie to you. I'm not the 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.040 biggest eighties music guy. Obviously, the Police legendary. Sting legendary. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.719 I mean as a kid, my only Sting memory was 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.000 when he came out and performed Missing You with a 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.640 Puff Daddy at the VMA's. But like dog, Sting is 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.640 one of them guys, He's one of the Jedis. Yeah, 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.800 and he feels that way about me. Now, So how 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:38.080 did that relationship feature happen? Because no one's getting sting 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.680 on projects. I know. My manager played the song for 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.600 his manager, and his manager played my album for him, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:52.600 and he picked Mama as the biggest song of twenty 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.240 twenty and he's like, I would love to be a 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.320 part of that. So he wrote his verse, cutit, send 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:02.560 it back to me, and that wrote me, and I 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.880 just think like he did his research. You know, he 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.560 saw that The New York Times like called me like 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.120 the trap Phil Collins, because I do like sing like 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.120 Phil Collins kind of sometimes on trap beats. But like 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.880 he respected everything my grind. He heard my story and 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.640 cut it send it back. I love it. And we 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.840 just kept in touch. And I haven't had a chance 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.480 to meet him because of COVID, yeah, because he's in London. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:34.240 But this has been the best response I've ever had 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:38.560 with any song or any music, nothing but blue checks 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.840 and my dms of like legendary artists writing me saying 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.120 how much they love and appreciate the album and how 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.520 much they love my song Lies and they love my 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.160 song Mama so much. And you know, Kanye West probably 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.120 you know people heard Kanye West loves Don't Kill Me 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.000 and Mama and stuff like that, and like from like 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.760 people that I've like, similar people. We have mutual friends 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.920 and stuff, and like like just like legendary people listen 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.240 listening to my project and in writing me, and it 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.480 just feels like such a blessing because I released it 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.440 for me in case I did die, because twenty twenty 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.160 is like killing everyone you never know. So in case 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.680 I did leave Earth, I just wanted to put out 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.360 a project without someone putting it out for me and 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:29.920 adding a bunch of features. That's fair. Yeah. So you 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.400 so you said that you essentially had kind of replaced 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.680 I'm assuming was it. Did you? Would you consider yourself 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:41.920 someone who had a drug problem? No, No, I had 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:47.120 a mental problem. Okay, I think mentally I'm fucked. I 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:51.800 was fucked. Mentally I wanted to Mentally, I was off 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:57.120 and I was so sad. I was depressed, and I 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.440 was kind of I was like a bit soon title 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:05.200 you know how long ago was this twenty thirteen? Okay, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.120 I was just so down. It was just like like 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.160 just the thought of it is scary. You know. I 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.120 didn't want to leave my room, like no one could 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.040 get me out of my bed. Like I was just 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:22.040 so fucked up. I was done. And you know, like 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.920 if it wasn't for my mother, I don't think i'd 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.160 be here because you know, my mom prays for me 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.080 and stuff like that. Like it always sounds a bit stupid, 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.280 but like prayers really work. Like you know, people that 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.600 are like people that are connected to the universe. It 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.120 don't really matter about like what religion you are depends 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.720 on like how connected you are to the universe. And 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.800 I think my mom's found a way to get like 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.680 when her mother died, she found a way to get 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.160 connected with the universe to like keep her stable in 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.680 like she's tapped in. She's tapped in. Yeah, so she 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.480 prays for me and stuff, and I think it works. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.280 And I'm I'm a bit worried because I don't think 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.160 I'm going to be as strong when I don't have 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.200 my mom by my side in a few years. I 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.440 think they were all worried about that when that day comes, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.119 right when we was our parents, like I still got 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.000 both of my parents, but like, shit, just the thought of, like, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.639 my grandma just died this year because of COVID. She 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.480 was a crazy She was in a nursing home, and 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.040 that was one of them ones where it was like, man, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.080 you know, she was like ninety two. So it was like, okay, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.919 you know, kind of prepping myself for a while. But 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.359 my parents I can't even imagine not talk about it. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.439 Yeah it's crazy, man, Yeah, it's you know what I 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.200 always appreciated about you. Yeahsh she was your energy, man, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.800 Like not only like before I met you and interviewed you, 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.840 I felt like your energy was very like in everything 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.280 you do, whether it's your social media or your music, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.600 it's very prevalent that like your energy is fire. And 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.680 I remember when I first met you and we interviewed 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:57.280 you in like twenty seventeen, I think, yeah, I just 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.159 remember saying like, man, this dude is like I just 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.600 want to see you win, you know what I'm saying, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:06.480 And you know, it seemed like a really authentic guy. 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.000 Now since then I remember that. I think that might 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.680 have been when you first first did the rock Nation 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:20.320 situation and you had some some Spotify success. Yeah, shout 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.680 out Tuma really helped me. Out. Shout out to Tuma man, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.840 he's at YouTube music now. To him ever since he 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.159 left Rap Caviars really not relevant. Yeah, we we had 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.320 that rap the Rapcafar conversation off the mic. But yeah, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.880 but I'm curious, like since I first met you to now, 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.120 obviously you've had a lot of success commercially, You've been 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:47.800 through different situations. Has has I always noticed like it's 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.040 almost hard to get through this industry with a certain 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.040 amount of success without it kind of like tainting you 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.320 a little bit? Do you did you? Do you feel 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.520 like you went through that at all? Or has like, 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.200 like has has running through the industry outlet the last 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.560 few years like affected you in a negative or positive way? 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:09.800 Because I feel like it definitely can. I mean I 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:18.080 think I think I'm I'm I'm over it. I'm not 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.280 I'm over I'm over it. I think that's why I 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.040 made the nineteen eighty four album because the magic was gone. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:31.880 I'm it's all a lie, it's all fake, It's not real, 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:37.840 meaning everything everything's not real. Your favorite artist right now, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.639 the biggest pop star in the world, has one hundred 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:46.240 million followers and fake and all the I wish, like 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.399 I wish the normal human brain, Like I wish that 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.720 normal human being would wake up and just see how 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.680 stupid this is. Like the likes are fake, the comments 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:01.280 are fake. Everything's fake. Like everything's fake. So they look 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.960 at me and they say things like, damn, Gushi he 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.920 only has twenty three million, only he has twenty three 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.920 million views on YouTube where he only has two hundred 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:14.400 thousand in the first week. Damn, Like those are real people, 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.600 Like those are legit, real people, you understand, Like, you 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.679 know these people buying five hundred million streams on Spotify, 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.320 Frank Sinatra is not even getting that. After a Joker 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.440 movie comes out and the theme song is that song, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.399 usually the songs go up, but those numbers are not 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.159 even flying. You understand. What I'm trying to explain to you. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.040 I'm trying to explain to you is like there's a 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.440 curtain that can be pulled back with this music shit, man, 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.560 And I've started to see it a lot. Man. Yeah, 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:46.400 it's just so bad. I live in a scary time. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.840 That's all I'm saying. I live in a scary time. 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:54.240 Movies are not the same, music's not the same. Everything's 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:58.400 so micro waved. The kids are brainwashed. They have enough. 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.320 They don't know they like things because cool to like it. Such. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.640 It's such a terrible time for music, movies, and everything, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.440 and probably the most judgmental time too. We've ever been 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.320 like yeah, like you can't even make a mistake anymore. No, 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.439 you get canceled. You know. It's like they want like 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.600 like people are just waiting for you to fucking see 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.240 something they don't. I'm kind of waiting for me to 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.639 get canceled because just to get it over with, just 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.560 to get it over with, you know what I'm saying. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.520 It's like having COVID, you know, know that's some real ship, bro, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.480 Like just get it out the way, because you know what, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.440 like you and I are, like we grew up. Like 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.720 I'll be listening to some old eminem shit sometimes and 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.840 I'm like, fuck man, how is it? Like how are 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:43.760 they not picketing in front of his house in Detroit 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:45.840 right now? That's what I'm saying. I don't want to 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:47.159 bring that up. I don't want to bring that up 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.520 because I just but it's it's fucking crazy. It is crazy. 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:51.920 I'm not going to bring that up because I don't 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.399 want to give any of these trusting ideas, you know 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.760 what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't want to bring that 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.840 up because, like, honestly, Marshall mather Zone p changed my life. 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.920 He has a whole entire song about murdering his mother, 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:09.080 bro murdering his girlfriend Kim is one of my favorite 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:13.600 and raping his mom for the record, yeah, kim Is. 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:17.680 You know when he kills he murders his girlfriend and 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.639 on the album, it's one of the most insane things 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:22.520 I've ever heard of in my life. And I wish 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.920 I had I wish I had a video. That's one 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.480 thing that I wish, like, this should be a video 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.440 on that song. Yes, they never did a video for that. 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:32.240 I wish they did. It would have been so amazing. 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:34.159 We just got the album cover that had her in 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:38.760 the trunk. Yeah, and that was on the sado Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:43.160 The second one was him and sitting down. But yeah, man, 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.120 you get canceled. I don't give a fuck about anything 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.120 going on right now. I don't give a fuck about 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.880 who your favorite rapper is. I don't care, like none 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.280 of this stuff matters to me anymore. I think it's 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.000 irrelevant where I'm at. I'm really in nineteen eighty four 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.480 right now. When I made this project, I kind of 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.840 wanted to be in that era. I wanted to try 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:08.960 time travel to nineteen eighty four, and I'm stuck there, 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.480 and I enjoy it here. I enjoy it where I am. 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.840