1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday, everybody. I'm 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Holly Fry and I'm pracybe Wilson Tracy. One of the 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: things we talked about this week was Wilfred Voyage. Yes, 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: I have an especial love of his story that is 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: unrelated to anything about his story except for the fact 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: that he was an antiquarian book dealer, which is that 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: for a long time, more than a decade, I worked 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: in a university library and I had originally been hired 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: there to repair the book collection that was like circulating, 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: which I did a little too quickly, and then my 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: boss was like, I can fire you, or I can 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: teach you how to catalog and I was like, cataloging 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: sounds great. Um, So then I became a cataloging assistant, 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: and then our acquisitions she was called the acquisitions librarian. Um. 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Did not have a library degree. So that's a little 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: weird thing, right, Not everyone who works in a library 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: as a librarian. But sometimes if you work in a 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: library and people keep calling you a librarian, you get 20 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: tired of making the distinction. So we have all accepted 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: right where people would be like, here's Holley, She's a library. 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not. I'm not a librarian. Um. But 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: I took over the acquisition's role as well as doing 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: cataloging assist at the time, and I did that for 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: uh eight years, I think. But I one of my 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: very favorite things was when our antiquarian booksellers would come 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: and visit us, and we would take them to lunch 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: or sit and chat, and they would talk about all 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: these beautiful volumes they had found, and so like, those 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: were some of my favorite people that I ever worked with. 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: And sometimes I would end up calling similar people that 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: we did not ever meet in person overseas, like with 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: the you know, university credit card, trying to make a 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: deal for something for the collection because like many universities, 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: like you have different and focuses of what you're acquiring. 36 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: Some of it is obviously like you want to make 37 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: sure that the school's curriculum is supported and that you 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: have those materials coming in. You also want to make 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: sure that you have enough sort of um, I don't know, 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: entertainment isn't the right word, but like you know, popular 41 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: literature and fiction and stuff coming in that the community 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: also has, Like that aspect of just the library as 43 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: an entertainment source, and then most university libraries, at least 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: at this time, I don't know how things have changed 45 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: in the intervening years, would also have like their special collections, 46 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: and so, you know, I would sometimes be on the 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: phone with some of these people and so being like, Hi, 48 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: I'm in Georgia and there's a book in your catalog. 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: We would like it. Um, here's a lot of money, 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: which is very cool and fun and kind of thrilling, 51 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: and so studying Voinage and his work in this space 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: just like it took me back to all of that 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: so quickly because it was honestly something I've really enjoyed. UM. 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: And I definitely dealt with book dealers that had a 55 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: very similar description to him of just being very winsome 56 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: and like able to chat at length, very cultured, completely 57 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: at home talking to just about anybody. And that was 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: part of what made them good at their jobs, was 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: that they could talk about things like inc nebula with 60 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: people that didn't really understand what they were but knew 61 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: that they probably should be like looking at those as 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: part of collection development. UM. So it was a really wonderful, 63 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: selfish trip down memory lane for me, and some were godards. 64 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: That's so good. Um. Yeah, I had not realized his 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: involvement in the revolutionary efforts in Russian occupied Poland. I 66 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: had definitely not known that his father in law was 67 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: the father of Boolean mathematics. So those were some fun 68 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: little little things. And I really did get quite a 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: kick out of reading the the his file. Yeah, the 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: government investigation file, which you can literally find online. It's 71 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: pretty simple to to find it all. It's some of 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: the scans are like old school photostats, so they're a 73 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: little fuzzy. Even though they've been scanned at a really 74 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: high resolution, it's still just like degraded um ink over time. 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: But it's really really fun to read in some cases 76 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: this sort of exasperated tone of various people in the 77 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: military and in as we said, the precursor to the 78 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: FBI being like, no, we really have questioned this guy 79 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: a lot. He's fine, you you don't need to be worried. Wait, 80 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: he asked to travel back to England. Is this suspicious? 81 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: It's really not suspicious. He's going to buy some books. 82 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: That reminds me of the Cohen's Hell pro episodes. We 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: did and how the opposite was happening, where the investigations 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: were just continuing on forever even though there was no 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: evidence of a person, like a particular person being a threat. 86 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: Not quite how it went with Yeah, I mean, there 87 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: were definitely people who had that thing of like, I 88 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: don't know, this still seems suspicious, and we'll be like, 89 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. He really he is legitimately an antiquarian 90 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: book dealer. We checked him out. I love that. I 91 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: love the whole Like the cipher is not has no 92 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: military abuse. You gotta let this one go. Um. And 93 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: there are cases, there are instances in several pieces of 94 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: correspondence where the person writing the report is like I 95 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: consider this case closed, but then somebody else kicks it 96 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: up again later and they're like, what did I say? 97 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: Look at that document? It's pretty fun anyway. That is 98 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: Wilford Voyage, who I think he gets a little bit 99 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: lost as a figure in relation to the Voytage manuscript. 100 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: It's all about the book, but people don't realize he 101 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: was just a dude who wanted it to ciphered as 102 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: much as anybody, and also to sell it for a 103 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: lot of money. I'm gonna be honest, it had been 104 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: so long since we recorded the episode on the Voyage Manuscript, 105 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: but I think I think there was the Voyage Manuscript episode. 106 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: We did an actual update episode, where like we replayed 107 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: the old episode with new information attached to it, and 108 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: then it's also come up in Unearthed. I feel like 109 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 1: many times, and I had forgotten that it was named 110 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: after a book that like, I noow all that not 111 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: in my head anymore. Yeah, and if he had had 112 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: his brothers, it would have been the Bacon Manuscript. But um, 113 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: there's a refresher in case anybody forgot. It was eventually 114 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: carbon dated and the paper the vellum is from I 115 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: think the fourteen hundreds, so it is too late to 116 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: have been made by Bacon, even though that was where 117 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: Voynage put it on the timeline, and it's you know, 118 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: who created it remains a question? No, There there have 119 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: been times over the years where people have been like, 120 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: did Wilford Voyage make this thing up? No, the the 121 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 1: scientific evidence doesn't doesn't hold up on that one either. 122 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: Will we ever solve it? Probably not. I keep meaning 123 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: to make a fabric print out of images from it, 124 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: but I haven't gotten around to it yet, so maybe 125 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: over the holiday break, that's what I'll work on. So 126 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: this week, our last new episode of the year was 127 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: on scurvy. Scurvy. Yeah, I know, it's so uh it's 128 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: not at all unprecedented for like a serious thing to 129 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: become something that's thought of as more like a joke. 130 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: But this is an example of that in terms of 131 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: pirate jokes especially. Yeah, it would be fascinating to track 132 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: when it started to be funny. Yeah, and I'm putting 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: funny in air quotes, but when people used it as 134 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: a joke, Yeah, I don't. I still don't really know 135 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: why my brain kept being like scurvy at leasta don't 136 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: have to worry about scurvy. Should I be taking a 137 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: multi vitamin? I did order some multi vitamins while I 138 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: was working on this. Then you get into discussions of 139 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: bioavailability and which multi vitamin is the best one. And yeah, 140 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: it was less specifically because of the scurvy episode and 141 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: more because I was like, you know, I really already 142 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: know our food is doing okay at our house still, 143 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: but like I'm really not going outside and the sun 144 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: helps your body make vitamin D and I was like, 145 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, that might actually be a thing that I 146 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: should be supplementing at this moment. Also, the seasons tends 147 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: to affect me, and I tend to do better when 148 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: I have a little more vitamin D in the winter. 149 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it was a whole saga that I 150 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: had sharing scurvy research. I think about the vitamin D 151 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: thing because when I am not an outside kid, um, 152 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean I have done things outside. You know. I 153 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: did a lot of running for a long time, so 154 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: I was always outside for that. Most of the time. 155 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: I'd prefer outdoor running to running on a treadmill. Um. 156 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: But normally, if just left to my own devices, I 157 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: have to remind myself, hey, you haven't even opened the 158 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: door for six days. Like I and my last physical 159 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: my blood work did come back a little low and 160 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: vitamin D, which is well before the pandemic. But I 161 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: need the reminder to like just go stand in the 162 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: driveway for a little art, go take a drive with 163 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: the moon roof open on the car, like whatever. Just yeah, 164 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm bad about it. Yeah, I Um. There was one time. 165 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years ago. At this point, 166 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: I had gone to a conference and I was staying 167 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: at a hotel that was adjoining the conference, and so 168 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: for a period of I think three days, I did 169 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: not leave the conference or the hotel in any fashion. 170 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: And on day three I was like, I feel bad. 171 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: Why do I feel very bad? And I was like, 172 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: maybe I should go into the out of doors. Well, 173 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: that also gets into like the whole thing of like 174 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: building air circulation and like conferences where the same people 175 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: are kind of shuffling from one thing to another, that 176 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: even without out of doors as has its own problem. Yeah. Yeah, so, uh, 177 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: since this is our last episode of last behind the 178 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: scenes of h early Happy New Year into everybody. Um, 179 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: I guess this is actually, now that I'm looking at 180 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: the actual calendar, the scurvy episode is coming out? Is 181 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: this one coming out on New Year's Day? Is New 182 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: Year's Day of Friday? You can tell how this pandemic 183 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: situation has just worn down my brain parts because yes, 184 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: Happy Friday, It's New Year's Day. I love New Year's Day. 185 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: As I've talked about before. Yeah, I'm a big believer. 186 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: I like resolutions. I do them at this point kind 187 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: of quarterly. But I just I like that sense of 188 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: like renewal of Okay, we're gonna we're gonna start over, 189 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: and I can't control what happens necessarily regarding pandemic and 190 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: when I can go outside, but I can control how 191 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: I react to it and what I do with my 192 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: indoored time, of which there is a great deal so 193 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: much yet. UM, I do want to note, since we're 194 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: all here, UM, I think folks have come to be 195 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: prepared for an Unearthed episode to come out the first 196 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: couple of episodes of the new year. The Unearthed episodes 197 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: are coming, but there's gonna be a couple of other 198 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: episodes first, because you and I are going to take 199 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: some very much needed time off. I think that's obvious 200 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: by the tone of this episode and behind the scenes, UM, 201 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: and I because of the way that scheduling worked out, 202 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: I did not want to lose essentially the entirety of 203 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: December of Unearthed stuff. So we're gonna be working on 204 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: that first thing in the new year. Yeah. So hopefully 205 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: this finds you well and safe, and may we all 206 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: have a brighter than Yeah. 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