WEBVTT - Drive Time: Browns Perspective with Daniel Oyefusi 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:12.480 What is up Dolphins? And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.520 I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.000 the great Daniel oh Yufuzie, who used to join me 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.760 to talk about this Dolphins team. He's now on the 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.400 Browns beat. He's gonna help us break down this Dolphins 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.560 in Brown's matchup from the Cleveland Perspective. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:28.000 We'll hear from Kyle Krabs. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.440 We'll pick the week eighteen games from the Baptist Health 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.479 Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:39.800 Draft Time Podcast. Maybe Daffy, it is Brown's week, and 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.400 that means we get to welcome in longtime friend of 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:46.560 the show, Miami Harold Alum, who was granted the opportunity 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.240 to return closer to his home turf. In the DMV, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.320 he covers the Browns for ESPN. Daniel oh Yufusie. Daniel, 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.120 welcome back in man, tell me everything. How is life 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:56.959 in the land beIN? 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:02.120 Yeah, you know, it's a these skies eighty degrees. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.360 I'm this kidding now, We've got some snow flurries out here. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:06.800 But it's been fun. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.840 You know, it's been about eight months since I left 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.280 South Florida. Come to Cleveland for this great opportunity, and 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.600 I've really been enjoying it, you know, as well as 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.160 we'll kind of get into it, Sceal. It's been kind 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.520 of disappointing in terms of the onfield product relative to expectations. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:21.760 But you know, it's like I said's my six year 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:22.520 coming in the NFL. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:24.560 Every year is you know, it takes a life on 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.800 his own, and I've really been enjoying it. 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.840 They're going to have indoor or is the plan to 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.720 have an indoor stadium or is that just in talks 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:32.199 right now? 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.560 Yeah, I mean the haslms are are are really pushing 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.160 forward with this. Obviously there's been you know, there's the 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.800 kind of legal process, political products with the city and whatnot, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.640 but they are you know, they've they've unleashed renderings for 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.640 that that Dome stadium in brook Park, which is suburb 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.000 you know, suburban area about fifteen minutes from downtown. You know, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.440 They've put out renderings of kind of the area around 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.440 that they want to really spruce up. So the hope 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:01.840 is for them that you know, in the next couple 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.240 of years they can really you know, put this together 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:04.600 and you. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.040 Know, unveil it well the Cavs are one of the 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.240 best teams in the NBA. You are in the hometown 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.560 of a team that played in the ALCS this year. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.200 But the Browns, well, maybe you'll have an indoor stadium 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:16.519 here coming up that you don't have to go outside 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.919 and cover cold football games in December. So everything looking 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.520 up for Cleveland from Daniel Oyafuzi's perspective. But let's go 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.080 ahead and start here with a two fold question, because 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.200 we do this every single time I have a guest 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.480 on talk about the quarterback position first, but the Browns, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:31.480 you know, they make the biggest change the team can 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.600 make in season by making the quarterback switch. And before 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.600 we get into the impact of that, I want to 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.239 start off with your scouting report on Dorian Thompson and 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.960 Robinson because I think most people probably remember him most 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:44.799 from college and he's kind of bounced around here a 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.080 little bit in the league. What's kind of the scouting 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.080 report for dtr heading into this game. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.720 Yeah, I mean he's a little bit of an you know, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.960 unknown and kind of unproven player right now. Fifth round 0:02:55.960 --> 0:03:00.880 pick of the Browns last year, you know, made three 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.600 starts and he was kind of thrown into some kind 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.080 of unfortunate, unexpected situations, Like I think his first start 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.160 came against the Ravens. In about three hours before the game, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.840 he was notified that Deshaun Watson wasn't gonna be able 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:15.640 to go, he was gonna have to start, So he 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.040 kind of was thrown to the Wolves in a sense 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.720 with no first team reps, and the performance was kind 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.919 of one that you would expect from a backup quarterback 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:24.920 that didn't get any first team reps. You know, he 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.080 did lead them to a you know, impressive win, a 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.360 low scoring game, kind of mucked up game against the Steelers, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.680 but most of his starts, of his kind of playing 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.400 action has kind of been just kind of like thrown 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.440 into you know, backup duty year as we saw you 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:39.800 know recently, you know. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.480 Come in for Jameis Winston after he was benched. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.840 And I think that the one thing from year one 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.640 to year two that a lot of players and coach 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.800 Kevin Stefansky has talked about it's kind of his overall 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.600 grasp and uh, you know knowledge of the offense, you know, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:52.800 just having a feel. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.520 For where to go with the ball and where everyone 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:56.560 should be and whatnot. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.400 Obviously he has he has a strong arm, pushed the 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.880 ball downfield. He's a little frenetic. You know, he has 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.160 some mobility to him, but he is a little frenetic. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:06.920 And I think that one thing that they're trying to 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.280 get him to do is to just be a little 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.520 more calm and in everything from you know, the strop 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.640 back to his reading of the field to when he 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.320 does decide to use his legs. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.440 So you know, again he's he's very raw, but he's 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:19.160 an athletic guy. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.200 He's going to run around, make some plays, a kind 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.680 of basic exciting over you know, this last couple of 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.920 weeks of the season as we're kind of transitioning into 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.080 the offseason. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.680 Right, Yeah, and he'll need those legs against the Anthon 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.560 Weaver defense that does a good job of cooking up 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.360 pressures with Chob Robinson, with Zack Steeler and of course 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.320 Jordan Brooks is a blitzer and all the same pressures 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.599 they can offer. I'm realizing now that I just misspoke 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.040 and I conflated his career with somebody else. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.680 That was, uh where did dtr go to u c 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:44.359 l A? Also? 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:45.640 And he did go to UCLA. 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.560 Okay, So I was thinking Brett Hamley that was he 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.599 did not bounce. He's been with the Browns the entire time. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.920 So my bat on that correction there, and just separately Daniel, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.920 because again, like this, just outside of like the football 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.440 and what we love it for, just the quarterback position 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.440 alone kind of fascinates me and people's journeys into that 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.360 position in the quarterback rooms, and you know, the teams 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.479 that get their starter for the whole year is great. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.200 Most teams don't have that luxury. And for the Browns, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.880 it's been a while since they've had a quarterback play 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.760 sixteen or seventeen games. And I'm just curious about the 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.640 quarterback room in general this year because I have to 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.039 imagine that it's taxing on a team and forget you know, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.240 off field stuff and everything that goes into that, but 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.960 just in terms of high price starter who didn't play 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.960 very well, he gets hurt, and I think people probably 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.400 were ready for the backup at that point. He gets 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.960 his chance, but then he plays exactly like you'd expect 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.719 a guy who once had a thirty touchdown, thirty pick, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.960 five thousand yard season to play. And now they go 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.440 to the youngster who has you know, maybe's not that 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.680 young either, he's like mid twenties, who has you know, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.320 a very minimal starting experience. Just take us through the 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.520 impact of the quarterback room on the entire operation in 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:53.320 Cleveland this year. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.559 Yeah, I mean it's been it's been a roller coaster 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.680 from you know, Deshaun Watson, you know, having you know, 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.599 kind of maybe the single worst half season we've seen 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.000 in recent memory. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.280 You know, I think there was a lot obviously, a 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.560 lot of frustration, you know, internally externally because they entered 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.960 the season with a lot of expectations, highest spectations. Obviously, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.800 you know, Watson was coming off of a sort shoulder surgery. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.120 But the last time we saw him on the field 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.200 in twenty twenty three was maybe his brightest moment as 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.320 a Cleveland Brown. You know, I'm completing all of his 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.360 passes in the second half of a comeback road win 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.600 against the Ravens, and then a couple days later day 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:29.720 and outstetics out for the year. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.200 So, you know, they bring in Ken Dorsey from the. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.560 Bills offensive coordinator, they kind of spruce up the offense 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.520 and kind of retool the offense to do this spread out, 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.400 shotgun RPO based system that he had success with in Houston. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.680 And there's a lot of expectation and hope that he 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.240 can kind of get back to that pro bow level 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.200 that we saw when he was with the Texans, and 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:49.320 that just never came. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.240 That just never came. In fruition, he looked very uncomfortable. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.480 You know, there was a lot of moving parts. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.600 Around him in terms of you know, injuries on the 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.240 offensive line, struggles blocking, you know, struggles implementing a new 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.800 scheme that was vastly different from what they've done normally 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.800 under Chemi Stefanski for the first four years of his 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.600 tenure there, and then it all culminated in that injury. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.080 So obviously you go to Jamis. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.760 Winston and you know he's he's you know, the embodiment 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.000 of a variants. You know, he first starts, he throws 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.320 three touchdowns, you know, a couple of games he's throwing 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:21.200 three interceptions. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.360 That's just kind of who he is. So yeah, I 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:24.680 mean I think that you know, he had. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.560 A strong start kind of lifting that offense, kind of 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.920 breathing some life into that offense. But then you know, 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.680 you did see him kind of you know, it's kind 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.240 of the law of averages. You know, he some of 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.480 those drop picks and missed opportunities came back to bite him. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.680 And now we're with Dorian Thompson Robinson Robinson, and you know, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.920 he he has spoken about wanting to show that he 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.679 can be the QB one. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:45.440 For this franchise. 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.320 And obviously it's a you know, it's gonna be a 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.840 tough tat ass, you know, for a fifth round pick 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.280 if you have to love the confidence and the you know, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.280 the aspirations. So yeah, I mean, I believe that Drian 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:00.080 Thompson Robinson is the fortieth starting quarterback to start for 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.800 the Browns since they were turning to Cleveland in nineteen 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.960 ninety nine. And I you know, it's tough for any team, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.880 any organizations to have no continuity when you're starting that 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.360 many players of the course of a year, over the 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:12.600 course of several years. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.800 And we just have to have stability with that position. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:17.680 And it looks like they're going to be on the 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.400 lookout to, you know, stabilize that position again this offseason. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.520 Did you say forty Yeah, I believe so. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.280 Last time I checked it was I believe it was 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.120 thirty eight after Kashawn got hurt, So James would have 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.440 been thirty nine. And I guess this makes forty if 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.240 my math is right, it's definitely define don't. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.199 I'm sorry that is just jarring to me because I've 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.800 seen the jerseys, you know, the people that have the 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.080 jersey where they put the what is it, Tim Cowich 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.360 is the first name, and then they have the ensuing 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.680 twenty five plus and now it sounds like forty names 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:47.160 off the side of that jersey. 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.360 Yeah, it's that's you know, some teams have that to 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:49.679 deal with. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.480 Some teams have the Packers luck and they get three 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.199 consecutive like all pro level quarterbacks. It's just isn't fair 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.199 sometimes the way this league works out. And Daniel, you 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.480 talk about the quarterbacks, they're all throwing two and this 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.199 goes back to like your point about expectations, like, man, 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.800 this roster, it's it's pretty dang good. And you look 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.560 at the skill players, like obviously, you know Nick Chubb's 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.160 been down for the majority of the year and he'll 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:11.520 he'll miss the rest of the year again here with 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.560 the foot injury, and you know, prayers up for him 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.160 that he can get back and sort of sort of 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:16.360 for a next year because he's one of the best 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:17.800 players and one of the best dudes in the league. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.360 But I look at an offense that has Jerry Judy 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.880 and David Najoku, is you know, Judy's having a kind 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.120 of renaissance here in the NFL and n Joku's one 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.920 of the best tight ends in the NFL. So what 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.280 kind of challenges do those guys present? Maybe is there 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.280 a couple of guys in that skill group of Dolphins 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.320 fans should know about that maybe they don't know about. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:35.800 Yeah, I mean, I think you definitely have to start 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.160 with Jerry Judy, just because he's having a breakout year. 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.640 You know, we talked so much about like Alabama, Jerry Judy, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.840 like the one that we saw years back and put 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.079 put up those big numbers and we finally have gotten it. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:47.360 You know. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.120 It's interesting because he left the situation where you know, 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.760 there was a lot of turnover into quarterback, head coach, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.079 offensive coordinator. He wanted, you know, to get opportunities when 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.040 you know the first half of the season it looked 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.679 like he looked like it did a lot in Denver 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.800 with you know, just inconsistency at the quarterback position. But 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.839 I will say one thing about Jameis Winston being inserted 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.480 into the lineup is that you know, he really brought 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.280 the best out of Jerry Judy as a guy who 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.439 can you know, run, run, you know, strong rouse. We've 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.760 always known that at all levels of the field and 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.160 when given the opportunities, make plays, you know, you know, 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.959 over the the last I guess since week eight when 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.120 Jameis Winston took over, like Jerry Judy is you know, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.199 top three, top five, uh in in receiving yards and 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.319 we've really seen those big plays. So he's definitely you know, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.040 the top you know, offensive playmaker, uh for the Browns. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.959 I will say with Nick Chubb bing out, another guy 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.040 who I expect to get a lot of touches is 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:43.319 the running back Jerome Ford. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:44.840 You know, you know, out of. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.439 Cincinnati and you know started his career at Alabama. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.600 He's a he's a speed guy, you know, at twenty 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.200 miles per hour, twenty one per hour on his sixty 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.800 two yard run a couple of weeks back against the Chiefs. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:57.800 He's a guy they like to they like in the 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.719 passing game as well, with dump offs and stuff like 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.200 that out of the backfield. So yeah, of course, obviously 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:05.920 you've got David and Jok, who he's been dealing with 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.600 some injuries here and there. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.440 Over of course that you're dealing with a hamstring injury. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.920 Right now, You've got Elijah Moore, of another South Florida 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.320 guy who you know can really work over. 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:15.880 The middle of the field. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.559 But definitely it's gonna kind of start and end with 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.160 Jerry Judy, especially if you've got a young quarterback who's 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.040 gonna be looking for him early and often. 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.360 In DTR That's a team that next year, if they 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.840 do get that quarterback position figured out, and with Kevin 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.400 Stefanski a big believer in him as well, I think 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:32.880 it's gonna be a team that can bounce back and 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.120 have one of those turnarounds here pretty quickly if they 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.600 get that position figured out. And speaking of how quickly 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.280 things can change, man, like, it seemed like I go 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.679 back to you know, Baker's last year when he played 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.640 through all those injuries and kind of, I guess wore 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.719 out his welcome in Cleveland, I thought, unfittingly. So you know, 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.400 he's kind of gone to prove that that that was 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.920 probably the wrong move with the Buccaneers now, but you 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.920 go back to those Browns teams and it was like, man, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.400 Nick Chubb, Jedrick Wills, Jack Conklin. You know, this this 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.640 interior offensive line that's one of the best in the NFL, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.920 and that was kind of the Packers or the Packers 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:04.679 the Browns. 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:06.480 Why am I on the Packers today? 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.480 That was one of the Like, the Brown's identity was 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.599 that offensive line and kind of burying teams with the 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.079 running game. But it hasn't been that way the last 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:14.800 couple of years because of a lot of injuries but 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.040 also maybe some fall off and performance. Can you just 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.000 take us through the offensive line what it looks like 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.560 from an injury standpoint performance standpoint, Like, just what are 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.440 we dealing with upfront here for the Cleveland Browns. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.880 Yeah, I mean they've used about a half dozen or 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.599 more starting lineups this year just off of injury. So 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.160 you got to go back to twenty twenty three when 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.800 Jack Conklin, you know, suffered a really bad knee injury. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.000 You know, there was a lot of talk about how 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.520 bad Nick Chubb's injury was there. You know, it was 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.160 kind of a multi ligament deal and you know, multiple 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.640 areas of concern with Jack Conklin and Week one and 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.560 then you have Dwan Jones, you know, a mid round 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.320 pick from last year's stepping very well, but. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.679 Then he goes down as well. Late in the year. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.320 You got Jajik Wills on the left side at left tackle, 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.439 have an MCL injury that was really was expected to 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:01.679 keep him out for too long, and all of a 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.960 sudden he's out out for the year. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:04.520 Uh. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.160 And and even you know, Joel Botonio missing some time 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.240 I believe last year as well. So we have all 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.480 these guys coming back from injury, you know, Wills and 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.720 Conklin didn't start the didn't start the season, and one 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.520 they were still kind of rehaving those injuries. Jed Wills 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.280 just never really got back I think when we started 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.400 three or four games, and eventually they just kind of 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.839 shut him down. Jaed Conkin has kind of settled that 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.600 spot on the right side again. But unfortunately Dwan Jones 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.120 you know, uh, suffered a fractured fibula, uh, you know, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:35.960 in his legs, so he's out for the year again. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.360 Hawaiatt Teller's missed some time, Ethan Poitics, the centers missed 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.679 some time. So the first half of the year, you know, 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.760 again Deshaun Watson was not playing well, but there there 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.079 was a lot around him that wasn't you know, falling 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.960 in line as well, And I'd say that the offensive 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.240 line played a big role in terms of injuries. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.360 And then the change in incorporating a new scheme. 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.080 Again, this was a you know, kind of Shanahan style 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.280 West Coast offense with a lot of with a lot 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.720 of you know, wide zone, outside zone with Nick Chubb, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.320 find the cutback lanes and then they did a lot 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.360 of you know, pulling guards and stuff like that. And 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.320 then when they went to the more spread out approach, 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.599 they kind of shifted to more inside zone. So in 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.559 addition to kind of new in additions to putting a 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.920 focus on different types of rue plays, you know, you're 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.640 you're bringing in, you have a new. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:22.400 Offensive line coach. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.280 You know, Bill Callahan, you know is who is you know, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.080 one of the most respected offensive line coaches in the 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:27.360 in the NFL. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.840 You know, he goes to join his son in Tennessee 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:31.240 to be the coach there. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.600 So you have a new offensive line coach with new principals, 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.480 and it was a lot of turnover, and you know, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.000 sometimes it is tough to incorporate a new scheme, especially 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.720 when it's completely different what you've done before. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.880 I think they have definitely settled down, you know, the 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:43.720 second half of the year. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.840 They streamlined some stuff in terms of their protections, and 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.360 I think that, you know, some of the older guys 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.720 on that offensive line, particularly Taylor and Potonio, start to play, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.000 you know, like we're accustomed to see them. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.160 But yeah, there there has been a bit of drop off, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:58.200 especially in the one game. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.240 Yeah, I think that you know, this system in particular, 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.200 like you talk about the system change, this is a 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.080 system as steeped in continuity. 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:05.680 My listeners know. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.920 I've talked about that all year long, with how important 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.920 it is to have kind of you know, if they're 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.440 gonna bump or slide their second level of the defense, 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.480 the offensive line has to adjust in real time to 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.040 be able to you know, communicate those assignment changes in 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.640 the blocking game. And so I can only imagine how 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.360 tough it is to go through all those injuries, go 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.000 through a scheme change, go through quarterback changes. It is 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.360 tough if you don't have continuity in this league, especially 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.680 in this system. So really good Stufflet's go ahead and 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.640 take a quick break rate there. Come back on the 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.520 other side and talk to Daniel about the Browns defense 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.280 and head of Dolphins and Browns a four or five 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.880 kickoff on Sunday from Cleveland. That's next Draft Time podcast, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.600 your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.240 We have covered the Browns offense here ahead of Dolphins 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.960 and Browns on Sunday from Cleveland. Let's go ahead and 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.880 get a few questions here about this defense, because well, one, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.960 they have a player who has made no secret about 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.360 his desires to win the individual award this year in 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.360 Defensive Player of the Year. Is Miles Garrett On to 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.000 capture a DePoy and just tell us about his impact 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.040 on that Browns defense. 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.440 Yeah, yeah, obviously he's the Randing Defensive Player of the 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.240 Year and he's put up a very very strong case 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.480 to win that award again. I think it's gonna be 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.200 a little tough this year around. You know, I think 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.560 last year he was definitely bolstered. That case was definitely 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.480 bolstered by, you know, the elite defense that he was 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.480 playing on. You know, they finished one number one in 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.560 several metrics. There has been some regression and I think 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.800 he expected you know, you know, defense can be a 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.280 little volatile from year to year, and I think that 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.000 posting offenses have kind of had a better grasp of 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:33.800 that Jim Schwartz led defense. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.720 So it's gonna be tough. You know, he's top three, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.359 top five in sacks. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.080 Right now, you know, approaching you know, right around one 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:46.360 hundred sacks first career, but just the level the play 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.880 of the defense and the team success, I think it's 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.720