Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, We're going to have a great Sunday night.
Speaker 2: Some of you will see or hear this on Monday
Speaker 2: Morning podcast, Calling Coward podcast. I just got back from
Speaker 2: nine ten amazing days on the coast of Rhode Island
Speaker 2: walking on the beach.
Speaker 3: By the way, I want to give you a health tip.
Speaker 2: I read a study about a month ago where it
Speaker 2: said if you take your shoes off and walk on
Speaker 2: grass or walk on the beach for thirty minutes today,
Speaker 2: it has health benefits. So for the last six months minimum,
Speaker 2: I've had a messed up left foot, left toe, too
Speaker 2: many dress shoes, not enough ventilation from my feet. So
Speaker 2: I get to Rhode Island and I take my shoes
Speaker 2: off every morning and I go for a ninety minute
Speaker 2: to two hour walk on the beach. Five days in
Speaker 2: a row salt water Atlantic Ocean. My foot is completely healed,
Speaker 2: no soreness, no red, no scars, no issues.
Speaker 3: So this is right.
Speaker 2: Take your shoes off, walk on the beach, walk in
Speaker 2: the yard, let those feet breathe. It did it for me.
Speaker 2: I told my wife, it's like a revelation. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to live that long anyway. I live too long
Speaker 2: but at least I want my feet and give me
Speaker 2: an extra year or two on the back end of
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 3: So I think I've found that. So let's talk some
Speaker 3: college football. The story of the weekend.
Speaker 2: To me, it's too bad the PAC twelve's going away,
Speaker 2: because I think it's the best it's ever been. It's
Speaker 2: the only college football conference Power five conference that hasn't
Speaker 2: lost a game yet, and they're completely stacked at quarterback.
Speaker 2: First of all, I thought Dion Sanders, I said this
Speaker 2: multiple times. I thought he would give the program juice
Speaker 2: and publicity, and Colorado football needs it, so therefore I
Speaker 2: thought it was a good hire. But I didn't think
Speaker 2: they'd be very good this year because I didn't think
Speaker 2: you could bring in seventy five percent of your program
Speaker 2: to the transfer portal and be anything other than a
Speaker 2: bit inefficient and chaotic and mistake prone. Early, I was
Speaker 2: shocked at how not well coached Deon Sanders obviously can coach.
Speaker 2: We saw that at Jackson State, but for a first
Speaker 2: game with a seventy to seventy five percent transfer portal team,
Speaker 2: this isn't the NFL. There's no preseason games, there's no
Speaker 2: intersquad practices. These are twenty year old kids, not twenty
Speaker 2: eight year old NFL players. They were mistake free, penalty free, seamless, smooth,
Speaker 2: tip of the captain Dean and an entire coaching staff.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've watched Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley bring in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five transfer portal guys and it's bumpy and
Speaker 2: rocky early. Now TCU is not very good. They put
Speaker 2: a ton of people in the NFL lost their starting quarterback,
Speaker 2: Max Duggan for a multiple years there, so they're not
Speaker 2: very good. But they did not look buttoned up and
Speaker 2: Colorado did. And my other takeaway on this game is
Speaker 2: that this year in the Pac twelve, for people that
Speaker 2: live out West, this is the best quarterback group we
Speaker 2: have had, maybe since that the Andrew Luck year. There
Speaker 2: were a couple of years there with a lot of
Speaker 2: good quarterbacks, but Cam Rising, Caleb Williams, Michael Pennix, Bo Nicks,
Speaker 2: Jadeen DeLaura at Arizona and now Shadeur Sanders Dion Son.
Speaker 2: I text two NFL executives during that Colorado win and
Speaker 2: I asked the question, am I nuts or do we
Speaker 2: have another first round quarterback in the NFL? And both
Speaker 2: executives said the same thing. His release and his accuracy
Speaker 2: in touch were a plus plus. Dion Sanders' son is
Speaker 2: a first round NFL quarterback. I'm almost sure of it.
Speaker 2: Six two, six, two and a half. You know, with
Speaker 2: his dad, he's going to be athletic, excellent accuracy, tremendous
Speaker 2: point boys, light on his feet, intermediate out in the flat,
Speaker 2: deep ball. I thought shouldre Sanders. I know Dion gets
Speaker 2: the publicity and we talk a lot about Colorado football.
Speaker 2: My takeaway was home home, Wait a minute, Dion's sun
Speaker 2: is a first round talent. Am I nuts. I was
Speaker 2: blown away. And again TCU had a ton of NFL
Speaker 2: players and they weren't gonna be as good this year.
Speaker 2: I still thought they would win. I mean they were
Speaker 2: a twenty one point favorite, but wow. So just think
Speaker 2: if you are an NFL fan and you're a maybe
Speaker 2: college fan, but you need a quarterback. I think Kayleb Williams,
Speaker 2: Drake May. I'm not a huge fan of Quinn Ewers
Speaker 2: at Texas. I think he's Jay Cutler, arm talent, little sloppy, unrefined.
Speaker 2: Don't love his game, but he'll go in the first round.
Speaker 2: I think Jayden Daniels at LSU has some first round traits.
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard at Duke is raw, mostly a pocket guy
Speaker 2: that we can move.
Speaker 3: He's a big time talent. And now.
Speaker 2: Shadu or Sanders maybe now they played Nebraska, so you know,
Speaker 2: the hype bubble may get popped. Matt rule, they're gonna
Speaker 2: go upset hunting. But I, first of all, typically captain Colorado,
Speaker 2: I did not think he would come into a football
Speaker 2: game and that when he transfers and be that smooth.
Speaker 2: Had they lost, it wouldn't have mattered. I was seven
Speaker 2: eight minutes into that game and they were running no huddle.
Speaker 2: They were going a million miles an hour. It was
Speaker 2: really slick. So that's just tremendous coaching. And I didn't
Speaker 2: think anybody. I mean, their turnover of their roster is
Speaker 2: without comp I've never seen anything like that. I figured
Speaker 2: they'd have skilled players and Dion Sun would know the offense,
Speaker 2: but to build O and D lines in that amount
Speaker 2: of time to the portal. Now, their D line at
Speaker 2: Colorado is not very good, but their O line pretty solid.
Speaker 3: Excellent work.
Speaker 2: My other takeaway in college football is Ohio State's offensive
Speaker 2: line and Texas offensive lines were awful, and it's not
Speaker 2: a matter of talent. I think we have to be
Speaker 2: totally honest here. What's happening to college football, and we've
Speaker 2: seen it for a decade in college basketball, is that
Speaker 2: we all know due to the transfer portal and the
Speaker 2: one and done rule in college basketball, you can't really
Speaker 2: watch Kansas or Duke or Carolina or the top programs
Speaker 2: and judge them in October and November. It's all new players. Well,
Speaker 2: in college football, we're a little bit more demanding right
Speaker 2: out of the gate in September. But the hardest unit
Speaker 2: for any football team to attain cohesion and chemistry is
Speaker 2: the offensive line. That's high school, college or pro.
Speaker 3: We all know that. You know that, I know that
Speaker 3: everybody knows that. Well.
Speaker 2: With a transfer portal and youth and players coming from
Speaker 2: all directions and players leaving Earth that even Ohio State
Speaker 2: and Texas, who are getting four and five star guys
Speaker 2: across the front, their offensive lines just aren't ready to go.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Texas may have been looking ahead to Alabama, but I
Speaker 2: thought the Texas ol line they couldn't initiate a run game.
Speaker 2: Ohio State's offensive line was a bit of a mess.
Speaker 2: USC's was awful in Week one, better but still some
Speaker 2: holes in Week two. And I think, I think we
Speaker 2: just have to look at college football a little like
Speaker 2: we look at college basketball. When it comes to especially
Speaker 2: the old lines, just can't judge them. In September, guys
Speaker 2: leave early. You end up with young guys stepping in
Speaker 2: that aren't quite ready. So you go to the transfer portal.
Speaker 2: Offensive lines, even in professional football, they're not great in September,
Speaker 2: you're praying they're great post Thanksgiving. So I watched the Ohio
Speaker 2: State and I said, they're just not They're just not
Speaker 2: good enough on the offensive line. Yet it's not a
Speaker 2: lack of talent anywhere. Same with Texas. I like their
Speaker 2: their roster and I like their old line, but there's
Speaker 2: just it. We have to look now at old lines
Speaker 2: and college football like we do early college basketball.
Speaker 3: Just give me six weeks.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring on John Middelcoff, former NFL scout
Speaker 2: in just a minute. I say this probably every year,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember an NFL season where it felt
Speaker 2: so clearly defined on who the good teams are and
Speaker 2: the bad teams are. And of course this all comes
Speaker 2: back to once the NFL wrote that gigantic check, that
Speaker 2: CTE check to the players of almost a billion dollars.
Speaker 2: I think it was like eight or nine hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: It was a quick pivot to the NFL to make
Speaker 2: the game less violent and quickly, and that of course
Speaker 2: has been highly beneficial to the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: So it's a very quarterback centric lead. We've talked about
Speaker 2: this ad nauseum. But what I do think with the
Speaker 2: improved college quarterback play I watched this weekend, well I'm
Speaker 2: not the only personal watching that. I think front office
Speaker 2: is realized we're going to have five, six or seven
Speaker 2: first round quarterbacks, and I think we're going to have
Speaker 2: the most active trade deadline. In fact, I was told
Speaker 2: this by somebody inside the league about a month ago.
Speaker 2: It's going to be the most active trade deadline in
Speaker 2: league history because you've got two a plus plus Drake
Speaker 2: Mayn and Caleb Williams college quarterbacks, and I think several
Speaker 2: as to be plus quarterbacks. You know, Michael Pennix junior
Speaker 2: at Washington a little bit of an injury history. He
Speaker 2: throws an absolutely beautiful football. He is so poised, ball
Speaker 2: snaps off his arm. He's a first round quarterback. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of Quinn yours or bow
Speaker 2: Knicks as NFL prospects, but you know, the bow Knicks
Speaker 2: put up remarkable numbers this weekend, and he's going to
Speaker 2: with Oregon with some of their playmakers. So I think
Speaker 2: of the trade deadline teams that get off to one
Speaker 2: and four, one and five, two and five, two and
Speaker 2: six starts, they're going to be selling off parts, soft
Speaker 2: tanks to get into the top seven or eight draft picks.
Speaker 2: So I think we're gonna have a very strong top,
Speaker 2: a very clear week bottom, and those bottom teams are
Speaker 2: gonna sell off parts by week seven to six. If
Speaker 2: your team is good but has holes, this is the
Speaker 2: year for you. Because we know there's some great teams
Speaker 2: and some bad teams. It's those teams.
Speaker 3: That we like.
Speaker 2: Baltimore we like, you know, the Jets we like. Do
Speaker 2: we love those teams, Chargers, We like those kind of
Speaker 2: teams at the trade deadline, if they're aggressive, are going
Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to add significant pieces. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: throw a name out, Mike Evans Tampa why receiver If
Speaker 2: they go into the tank quickly in Tampa, and I
Speaker 2: suspect they will. Mike Evans could be there for the
Speaker 2: taking for a team that needs a number one receiver.
Speaker 2: Let's bring in John middlecough three and out part of
Speaker 2: the volume former NFL scout.
Speaker 1: The conference that is dying, the Conference of Champions, we
Speaker 1: can call it the Conference of NFL Quarterbacks, Colin, The
Speaker 1: Pac twelve is thriving.
Speaker 2: Well, it's I just spent the previous ten minutes a
Speaker 2: large part talking about Dion Sanders' son. He will be
Speaker 2: draft eligible. But your takeaway because he plays with Travis
Speaker 2: Hunter and his dad's the coach, I thought he was
Speaker 2: a first round I mean I looked at him and
Speaker 2: I went, oh, we've got another first round quarterback talent.
Speaker 2: I mean, his his accuracy, deep crossing underneath flat footwork,
Speaker 2: poise release. I mean, it was jumped off the television set.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if he goes pro?
Speaker 1: Does he shocking? Deon Sanders kid as good as football?
Speaker 1: Who would have thought of arguably the greatest athlete of
Speaker 1: my life? It was that was do you know what
Speaker 1: really jumped out to me? Colin? Just watching that game,
Speaker 1: I mean, just on the edge of your seat for
Speaker 1: TCU Colorado, it felt like as big as an NFL
Speaker 1: game or whatever. That's why football is so big. It
Speaker 1: just felt enormous. These kids, I don't know ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the guys on TCU and honestly, beside a couple
Speaker 1: guys on Colorado, you just kind of learned about it.
Speaker 1: But primetime against this team that made this run last year,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't get any better. And then, like you said,
Speaker 1: that quarterback, We've talked so much right about the forty
Speaker 1: nine er situation and Trey Lance, and Trey Lance isn't alone.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys struggle at just lacking poise and
Speaker 1: just comfortability in the pocket because there are instincts at
Speaker 1: that position we love, like how six five and he
Speaker 1: can run and he's got a strong arm. Can kind
Speaker 1: of just watch a guy play and you're like, this
Speaker 1: guy's very comfortable. They were down late and it was like,
Speaker 1: this guy's not freaking out. He was just playing at
Speaker 1: Jackson State. It was that's one of the bigger I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to overhype this, but that was that's as
Speaker 1: good as he gets, Colin. That was fantastic.
Speaker 2: I literally text two people in the league and I'm like,
Speaker 2: am I out of my mind. He is so poised
Speaker 2: in his ability any throw left right moving.
Speaker 3: His accuracy was insane. And I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I honestly, over the last month, I
Speaker 3: went to YouTube. I'm looking up highlights.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know about the Quinn, you rs Kaya Williams, Drake,
Speaker 2: may Bow Nicks. I mean, we all know the guys
Speaker 2: that are gonna get drafted. I like Jaden Daniels at LSU.
Speaker 2: I think he's always been. He was so skinny coming
Speaker 2: out at Arizona State. He didn't look like an NFL player.
Speaker 2: But I think he's a nice and he's got some
Speaker 2: real NFL trades. But you know, I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: And this is the thing. I I I love college
Speaker 2: football and I feel bummed out of the Pac twelve.
Speaker 2: This may be the best quarterback class in the history
Speaker 2: of the conference, and the conference is imploding. But I
Speaker 2: will tell you, as I look at this NFL schedule,
Speaker 2: is I said a minute ago, the trade deadline is
Speaker 2: going to be terribly, terribly busy. The top we know
Speaker 2: who it is. The bottom, we know who it is.
Speaker 2: You get these Tampas and these Arizonas and these Houstons,
Speaker 2: if they get off the one in five stars, John,
Speaker 2: this is going to be soft tanks.
Speaker 3: I mean, these these teams need quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to have a crazy, crazy trade
Speaker 2: deadline and players like a like a Mike Evans at Tampa.
Speaker 2: Who how many teams would be like? I mean, like
Speaker 2: if Buffalo starts struggling with Stefan Diggs and it's like
Speaker 2: we got a roster, we got to go get a guy.
Speaker 2: Let's start with Detroit Kansas City. There's a sense Detroit
Speaker 2: is going to be over their skis and they're just
Speaker 2: not ready for prime time?
Speaker 3: Is that how you feel?
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be really good, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that they have a high level offense. I
Speaker 1: mean that coordinator they have, they convinced him last year
Speaker 1: to not interview for jobs. Jared Goff has proven when
Speaker 1: you have a running game and a good offensive line,
Speaker 1: which he did right away when McVeigh got there, he
Speaker 1: was really really good. Never Mahomes, Josh Allen. But you
Speaker 1: could win. I mean they went to the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: with the guy, and I know everyone thought it was
Speaker 1: crazy for them to take that running back. But Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell saw at firsthand with Alvin Kamara, and they view
Speaker 1: him like that kind of a hybrid player. Saint Brown's
Speaker 1: a stud. Jamison Williams got to get healthy, slash, stay
Speaker 1: out of trouble, but he's extremely talented, and they have
Speaker 1: a really good offensive line, so offensively and defensively, Aiden
Speaker 1: Hutchinson last year, by the end of the season looked
Speaker 1: like this guy's got a chance to be one of
Speaker 1: the next really really good pass rushers. I think they
Speaker 1: had another guy that they drafted in the mid rounds
Speaker 1: that had eight sacks. Secondary is going to be a problem,
Speaker 1: but most teams in the NFL don't have great secondary.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to end all be all Thursday night.
Speaker 1: You can lose that game, but I I'm gonna pick
Speaker 1: him to win the division. I know you loved Minnesota
Speaker 1: last year. Obviously Rogers is gone. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go out on a limit and take the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: too well to win their division.
Speaker 2: No Chris Jones, so Detroit's O lines probably a top
Speaker 2: three to four OH line. And if no Chris Jones,
Speaker 2: good point. That is a ball control Jared Goff playing
Speaker 2: either with a lead or in a close game, GoF
Speaker 2: gets into trouble when the O line deteriorates, he's playing
Speaker 2: from behind with no run game, with no Chris Jones.
Speaker 2: It almost guarantees that Jared's going to have a reasonably
Speaker 2: clean pocket with that O line. So I again, I
Speaker 2: would take the points and the lions and the opener.
Speaker 2: I know everybody's bailing on him. This is a big spot.
Speaker 2: But there was a big spot against Green Bay to
Speaker 2: end the season at Lambeau, big National TV game, and
Speaker 2: I thought they outplayed the Packers.
Speaker 1: I think one thing that's going to really be under
Speaker 1: the microscope this year is last year. Remember they started slow,
Speaker 1: so they kind of got to just let it rip
Speaker 1: toward the end of the season and they finished hot.
Speaker 1: But this year, all of Campbell's moves right, if they're
Speaker 1: two and two or three and one, when you go
Speaker 1: for it, when you kick a field goal, when you punt,
Speaker 1: I mean that stuff comes under the microscope when you're good.
Speaker 1: That's the way we talk about the Belichicks, the Andy Reids,
Speaker 1: the Kyle Shanahan's. It's not just a great play call,
Speaker 1: it's time management, game management. You're going to be in
Speaker 1: tight games. People are no longer looking past you, even
Speaker 1: though you haven't accomplished anything. They're all taking you seriously.
Speaker 1: So I think that's the one question market is just
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell game management. I mean that could be the
Speaker 1: difference between eleven and nine wins right and could cost
Speaker 1: you a division a wild card spot. He's got to
Speaker 1: prove it.
Speaker 2: There's two or three games that are really interesting to me,
Speaker 2: and the Packers Bears is one where I do feel
Speaker 2: the pressure is on Chicago. So Green Bay has had
Speaker 2: so much recent success and by the way, beyond recent
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five years of success Farvan Rodgers so and
Speaker 2: I think Aaron's first year he was six and ten.
Speaker 2: So I don't believe anybody thinks Jordan Love has to
Speaker 2: get him to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be.
Speaker 2: You can even see in the preseason John it's been
Speaker 2: a very cautious game plan. He's got a good on line,
Speaker 2: a nice run game. They're gonna hold his hand up
Speaker 2: bit here. And I think I think nine and eight
Speaker 2: would be would feel like a really nice opening year.
Speaker 2: Justin Fields is five and twenty. They've given him big pieces.
Speaker 2: Chicago's a major media market, it's loud. Eberflus has to win.
Speaker 2: He's a defensive coach in an offensive league. I feel
Speaker 2: there's real pressure on Chicago here to win and perform.
Speaker 2: I think they will win. I do, but it really
Speaker 2: interests me because very rarely do we put a ton
Speaker 2: of pressure and can considered a huge game for a
Speaker 2: quarterback that's five and twenty. But I kind of feel like,
Speaker 2: and I think he will deliver, but I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like Justin Fields has to start winning quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the pressure is much more on him
Speaker 1: than the coach and definitely the GM. Are you still
Speaker 1: believer in Carolina this year?
Speaker 3: I didn't love.
Speaker 1: It hasn't looked pretty. No, Well, Chicago has their pick.
Speaker 1: So Chicago's got some firepower that if shit hits the
Speaker 1: fan this year with Fields and it doesn't go well,
Speaker 1: that they have a pretty seamless, you know, transition point
Speaker 1: even if they don't get the number one pick. We've
Speaker 1: already talked there's a ton of quarterbacks in this draft.
Speaker 1: I think it's on him right throwing the ball. We
Speaker 1: know he's a Dion Sanders level act, remarkable athlete, but
Speaker 1: to win in the NFL third Nate, can you complete
Speaker 1: the deep out? Can you complete the deep in? On
Speaker 1: second and ten when you run, you know, when you
Speaker 1: get stuffed on first down, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: major question mark. You can't always unless you' Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: just run like wide receiver screens. You know, you have
Speaker 1: to push the ball down the field. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're going to be very good. Now. I loved him
Speaker 1: coming out in the draft, but I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people the coaching side of the scouts like the
Speaker 1: scouts like justin fields because of the raw ability. A
Speaker 1: lot of the coaches, you know, Kyle Shanahan didn't think
Speaker 1: he saw the field very well. You know, the the
Speaker 1: and that's what comes down to being a great player
Speaker 1: is timing rhythm within the pocket, and that that's the
Speaker 1: big question mark. But I actually think if it doesn't
Speaker 1: go well for him, if Carolina is bad and they're bad,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in great position with all these picks
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback. They got some you know, pieces
Speaker 1: on the team and kind of transition perfectly.
Speaker 2: Philadelphia and New England interest me. So New England at
Speaker 2: home three and a half point dog, no Shane Stiken.
Speaker 2: So the pressure now on Sirianni to pick the right coordinator.
Speaker 2: So Sirianni struggled until he gave Shane Stike in the
Speaker 2: play calling and then it was off to the races.
Speaker 2: Now he leaves, by the way, Justin Herbert was Shane
Speaker 2: Steiken a sending player. Stiken leaves, Joe Lombardi comes in,
Speaker 2: and Justin Herbert struggles in the second half of games.
Speaker 2: These coordinators, ask Matt Ryan with Kyle Shanahan, these coordinators
Speaker 2: change everything.
Speaker 1: It matters.
Speaker 2: It matters a lot, and I think Philadelphia faces far
Speaker 2: more good quarterbacks. They're gonna pull back. I give New
Speaker 2: England a shot if their O line can hold up
Speaker 2: to win this game. Kind of your takeaway on what
Speaker 2: we'll see from Philadelphia this year.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Philly obviously last year came really close
Speaker 1: and they brought back a lot of the same guys,
Speaker 1: but they did add one of the biggest wild cards
Speaker 1: in recent memory of the draft, and he's so freaking
Speaker 1: good that he's gonna play a lot, right in Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1: So they felt really good about their infrastructure, but they
Speaker 1: didn't have once they got rid of Carson Wentz. Like
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, they've had a really buttoned down,
Speaker 1: high level squad, and once you get to that point
Speaker 1: and you can't quite get over the humh, they got
Speaker 1: great value. You start taking a couple of swings like
Speaker 1: that's something. Do they have to have guys holding his hand?
Speaker 1: Is he just a fit in guy? Because if he
Speaker 1: is a fit in guy and there's no issues their talent,
Speaker 1: they let Hargrave go to the Niners. They won't miss
Speaker 1: a beat. So their defense, you know, could be even
Speaker 1: better with the pass rush standpoint, which it's hard to
Speaker 1: be which how good they were last year. But I'm
Speaker 1: with you anytime you have an offensive coordinator change. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jalen easily could if he didn't get banged up, wins
Speaker 1: the MVP. So that's a hard standard to just maintain.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this. There's a lot of really
Speaker 1: good players that have some great seasons and then come
Speaker 1: back to Earth. The great players, the Mannings, the Brady's
Speaker 1: Rogers forever do it every single year as coaches going in,
Speaker 1: coaches going out. And I think that's what he has
Speaker 1: to prove now. And we've also talked about that they're
Speaker 1: betting on the guy. Obviously they have a ton of
Speaker 1: Their offensive line is awesome. AJ Brown like what a
Speaker 1: trade I think DeVante Smith could have an enormous season.
Speaker 1: They have a million running backs. Talent's definitely there. I
Speaker 1: think my kind of wild card this year is I
Speaker 1: might pick the Cowboys to win that division. But it's
Speaker 1: not because I don't think the Eagles are good. I
Speaker 1: just think they're both, you know, eleven to thirteen win teams.
Speaker 1: I feel better about the Cowboys is they're gonna be
Speaker 1: probably the best defense right now. I don't know when
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa is gonna show up. Maybe if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, he signed, but I don't know. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like he's that close. So the Cowboys got everyone there.
Speaker 1: Their defense is deep, their offenses needs to be solid.
Speaker 1: They got now Trey Lance to act like Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: in practice. And the Eagles, you know, that Super Bowl
Speaker 1: hangover is real. We've seen it for decades. That team
Speaker 1: that gets so close doesn't win. It kind of comes
Speaker 1: back to earth, even though they got everyone coming back.
Speaker 1: But like you said, the coordinator change, I don't care
Speaker 1: how good you think the next guy up is. There's
Speaker 1: usually a drop off or a learning curve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I remember a few years ago, Tom to LESCo,
Speaker 2: the GM of the Chargers told me, he said, we
Speaker 2: have this young OC name Shane Stike, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be great. This guy is will not be
Speaker 2: able to keep him. He's gonna leave. Okay, So I
Speaker 2: want to talk about the Cowboys and the Giants because
Speaker 2: I said this before I went on vacation, that it's
Speaker 2: become very popular to kind of bail on the Giants
Speaker 2: and to say, listen, it's Brian Dabole. There's a ceiling.
Speaker 2: It's clear with Daniel Jones and the schedules harder, The
Speaker 2: schedules not as hard as people make it out to be.
Speaker 2: It's around fifteenth, eighteenth hardest, nineteenth hardest in the league.
Speaker 2: It's harder than average, if I recall. But it's not
Speaker 2: over rot it's not overbearing. The one thing I like
Speaker 2: about the Giants is I do think it matters where
Speaker 2: you're great. And they're great at left tackle. They're great
Speaker 2: at tight end now with Waller and Saquon Barkley. They
Speaker 2: have a potential great rush in in Kaevon Thibadeaux. They're
Speaker 2: great on the defensive front. They're great offensive coaching with
Speaker 2: Brian Dable, and they have an athletic quarterback in his
Speaker 2: prime who finished with a higher passer rating than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Most of their players, their best players are not only
Speaker 2: in key spots, they're all in their prime. The Rams
Speaker 2: have players in key spots all out of their prime.
Speaker 2: The Giants are young. I mean, the Cowboys have some
Speaker 2: players I like, not all in key spots, but tight end, back,
Speaker 2: left tackle, rush end offensive coach. I'm gonna go the
Speaker 2: other way on this. I don't see a free fall
Speaker 2: for the Giants. I don't think their schedules quite as
Speaker 2: daunting as people are making it out to be.
Speaker 3: What say you, you know it's funny.
Speaker 1: I was in the car today and, you know, like
Speaker 1: a weirdo, I'm thinking about who can the Giants win
Speaker 1: that division? Is it possible? It would be a pretty
Speaker 1: big jump, right, because the Eagles and Cowboys just have
Speaker 1: more talent. But we just talked about coaching changes. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Eagles had a lot. Cowboys had a pretty big
Speaker 1: one too. I mean, is Mike calling the plays him
Speaker 1: and shot you get rid of Kellen Moore? The Giants
Speaker 1: had zero turnover right, Kafka day ball running the offense
Speaker 1: and weak Martin Dale's one of those classic like Fangio
Speaker 1: level guys. He's just not going to become a head coach.
Speaker 1: He's going to be there for a while, a lot
Speaker 1: like Andy now with UH with Spagnola, he's going to
Speaker 1: be their coordinator for a while. And even if Kafka leaves,
Speaker 1: like day, ball can run into any moment, So the
Speaker 1: consistency there. A lot of people have used this and
Speaker 1: I've said this forever, and this was the comp that
Speaker 1: I heard when he was coming out, because I thought
Speaker 1: the pick to take Daniel Jones number six. Overall, it's
Speaker 1: like he's a lot like Alex Smith. High intelligent guy,
Speaker 1: little bit better arm physically, like everyone likes him, very
Speaker 1: buttoned up, and for the first several years of his
Speaker 1: career I was kind of out because it was hard
Speaker 1: to watch him. But then looking back, it's like, look
Speaker 1: who was coaching him? And then you get a guy
Speaker 1: a lot like Harbach came in by that second year
Speaker 1: with Alex. He ended up getting hurt in the middle
Speaker 1: of the year, and that's when Kaepernick came in, but
Speaker 1: he was shooting like a rocket ship. You're like, this
Speaker 1: guy's a real player now, and what do they do?
Speaker 1: They get Darren Waller, which when he's on the field.
Speaker 1: You've watched him in the preseason. He's a dominant player.
Speaker 1: The question can you just stay on the felt? But
Speaker 1: if you get him, you get obviously Saquan it feels
Speaker 1: like he's all in. He got his contract done right
Speaker 1: away after he kind of was acting like he was
Speaker 1: gonna hold out. That didn't last long. You draft Hiatt
Speaker 1: from Tennessee. He can fly. This is coaching league and
Speaker 1: their coaching staff is really really good. So are they
Speaker 1: as talented as the other top two teams in their division? No,
Speaker 1: not player for player, but like you said, key spots
Speaker 1: and if Daniel Jones, they don't need him to go
Speaker 1: from like a six to a ten, But can't he
Speaker 1: go from like a six to a seven and a half?
Speaker 1: Then are they looking at instead of being a nine
Speaker 1: win team? Are they an eleven win team and much
Speaker 1: more formidable. I know they beat the Vikings, but they
Speaker 1: had no chance to probably beat the Cowboys, the Niners
Speaker 1: or the Eagles. And now are they in if they
Speaker 1: get to the final four in the NFC and it's
Speaker 1: those four teams, could they beat one of those teams?
Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to say that, yeah, they
Speaker 1: might be in a position when it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: to be able to at least compete with them for
Speaker 1: maybe one game. They're probably not a super Bowl contender,
Speaker 1: but that they might be much more legitimate as a
Speaker 1: squad top to bottom when it comes to January football
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three than they were last year.
Speaker 2: So, John, one of the things we do, you know,
Speaker 2: the history is a great guide for what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: We know, and I don't have it in front of you,
Speaker 2: but like the last twelve teams that have been on
Speaker 2: hard knocks, like there's one playoff win but because of
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, you know it's you know, he arrives in
Speaker 2: town and the belief is he's this magic elisure and
Speaker 2: he'll solve everything. But this is a team that's not
Speaker 2: good at tackle. That's opening with the Bills in an
Speaker 2: AF seed that's got pass rushers everywhere. You have an
Speaker 2: older quarterback who can be prickly when things don't go
Speaker 2: his way, and no longer is a mobile quarterback, right
Speaker 2: like Aaron. Now he gets rid of that ball quickly,
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to get hit, and he's a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 2: They have one really emerging star receiver, but Corey Davis retires,
Speaker 2: They're pretty average at tight end. They went and got
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook, which I think helps. But I look at
Speaker 2: this team and I think to myself, young quarterbacks, Herbert Burrow, Mahomes,
Speaker 2: I don't worry too much about regressing O lines, old quarterbacks, Brady,
Speaker 2: Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's never had a bad old
Speaker 2: line in Green Bay. Do you know Jordan Love in
Speaker 2: his first two preseason games was not pressured a single time?
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, Stafford last year, bad old line, Brady
Speaker 2: last year O line injuries in Tampa interior. I think
Speaker 2: Buffalo wins the opener. The best part of that line
Speaker 2: it was one and a half, now two and a half.
Speaker 2: I think I think it could be a little bit
Speaker 2: of it now Von Miller's not playing. But I think
Speaker 2: this Jets team it could get really surly, really prickly,
Speaker 2: very fast. Like I'm talking third quarter, late third quarter
Speaker 2: against the Bills. Your thoughts on what we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's gonna be one of the highest
Speaker 1: rated games in recent memory. There's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of eyeballs. Nine to eleven New York Rogers Bills. You're
Speaker 1: right the von Miller news that I think was last
Speaker 1: week right, that he was kind of trending that now
Speaker 1: he's out four weeks, but obviously just that game specifically,
Speaker 1: they named Makai Beckton, which is just a major question mark,
Speaker 1: Like he is the guy even good It's one thing
Speaker 1: to like, hey, we got this guy. He can be
Speaker 1: a functional starter. You don't even know if he can
Speaker 1: function out there, right can Is he gonna get your
Speaker 1: guy killed? Or is he just gonna be a solid player.
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about him. To me, that's
Speaker 1: a major major question mark. I would imagine Sean McDermott
Speaker 1: is just gonna be bringing all sorts of stuff over there. Now.
Speaker 1: Granted that's his right side. Aaron can see. He might
Speaker 1: just have to hit the ground. Randall Cobbs starting at
Speaker 1: slot receiver, I mean kind of. I'm I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I buy into hard knocks. I always say I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna watch it, and then I do. And he's
Speaker 1: clearly in a really good headspace. But how you start matters.
Speaker 1: Sola has to like Deon Sanders, He's just natural in
Speaker 1: front of the team. He's really good at that, but
Speaker 1: ultimately you gotta win, you gotta produce, so all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you lose that game. They play Dallas, we too, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean it's it could snowball really quick. I'm
Speaker 1: a believer just because I think this guy, we've seen
Speaker 1: him for the last couple of years. You're right, they
Speaker 1: had a really good offensive live but the easiest way
Speaker 1: to avoid question marks run the ball. Run the ball.
Speaker 1: And that's what they did Aaron's first year when he
Speaker 1: was kind of playing shitty in Green Bay when the
Speaker 1: floor got there, run the ball and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: you don't have to carry us on your shoulders, which
Speaker 1: he ended up doing the next couple of years, which
Speaker 1: doesn't really work in the playoffs at Lambeau. But just
Speaker 1: try to lead the league in rushing. That makes everything
Speaker 1: much easier. Now. One thing they got going for him again,
Speaker 1: this is a little hard knocks gotty. Their defense looks
Speaker 1: pretty incredible. I mean, they got pass rushers everywhere. Quinn
Speaker 1: Williams has a chance to be like a bigger version
Speaker 1: of Warren Sap. They have what could be the best,
Speaker 1: if not a top two corner. So you lock him
Speaker 1: down one side of the field. If you can be
Speaker 1: a top two or three defense and lead the league
Speaker 1: in rushing. That usually as a formula, especially with say
Speaker 1: what you want about him, he is very, very intelligent
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, so he can help out the pressure
Speaker 1: of Nate Hackett and just some of those guys. And
Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, Garrett Wilson might just we
Speaker 1: might look up and he's one hundred and fifteen catch
Speaker 1: guy for like a while. I mean, he's got a
Speaker 1: chance to be really really special division stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's who are you gonna pick the finish last in
Speaker 1: that division?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's hard. You could make a case for every team,
Speaker 1: obviously even separate the Bills who have owned that division,
Speaker 1: but all other three teams winning ten but also winning seven.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna throw this out to you. Usually if
Speaker 2: a wife talks of a pro athlete, she's giving you
Speaker 2: the honest truth, right, it's unvarnished. Yeah, And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have two things converge here. You and I were both
Speaker 2: blown away by the quality of the college quarterback played
Speaker 2: the last two weeks, like it's better than we thought.
Speaker 2: And Matt Stafford's wife comes out and says publicly, yeah,
Speaker 2: like Matt doesn't connect with any of the players. They're
Speaker 2: all too young. And I had somebody tell me, you know,
Speaker 2: during the off season, and it was validated by Matt Stafford.
Speaker 2: He came out and even though the Rams sort of
Speaker 2: pushed back on this, Matt Stafford confirmed what I'd been told,
Speaker 2: which is they tried to rework his deal to make
Speaker 2: it more team friendly, and he said, no thanks. I
Speaker 2: think the Rams are going to draft a quarterback with
Speaker 2: their first pick. And here's my question. Cooper Cup now
Speaker 2: probably doesn't play in Game one. The trade deadline, I've
Speaker 2: been told, is going to be very active because of
Speaker 2: the quality of the quarterbacks coming out of college. If
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup doesn't play in Week one, they get housed
Speaker 2: or beat by the Seahawks. You start looking at that schedule,
Speaker 2: It's no day at the beach. I could see the
Speaker 2: Rams moving off Aaron Donald, moving off Stafford.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: They do have some really good elements at key positions,
Speaker 2: but Cooper Cup maybe not playing in Week one, to
Speaker 2: me is a huge John Red flag up in Seattle.
Speaker 2: Seahawks five and a half point favorites. Give me your
Speaker 2: thoughts on Stafford's wife. You know the stories that they
Speaker 2: try to rework his deal. He got the you know
Speaker 2: what kicked out of him in Detroit, right he last
Speaker 2: year he did.
Speaker 1: He's a weathered, thirty five thirty six year old.
Speaker 2: Absolutely take away in the Rams Cooper Cup and what
Speaker 2: I just talked.
Speaker 1: About, well, I'm complete. I've been out on the Rams.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be horrendous that. I just don't
Speaker 1: think their roster's any good. They were too top heavy.
Speaker 1: Anytime you got to go see a specialist a week
Speaker 1: before week one and it's not you know, that's what
Speaker 1: pitchers do with their elbow. This is a hamstring that's
Speaker 1: not good. And you know, I don't care. Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: could have twenty five sacks. If no one around him
Speaker 1: can make a tackle, you're in trouble. I don't even
Speaker 1: think the Stafford thing is that weird. I mean there
Speaker 1: is a gigantic gap. I think if you're thirty five
Speaker 1: or over and if you're maybe twenty three or younger,
Speaker 1: just technology. A kid has been on the internet from
Speaker 1: the moment he's alive. I remember getting my first cell
Speaker 1: phone in like two thousand and one and it did
Speaker 1: not look like this, So I mean, I do understand
Speaker 1: struggling and listen, we're all guilty of this, and I
Speaker 1: try to find it having your phone in front of you.
Speaker 1: But that generation is on a completely different level. That's
Speaker 1: just how they communicate with everything. I mean, they could
Speaker 1: be sitting across the whole way and be texted with
Speaker 1: the guy. That's how they talk. So I kind of
Speaker 1: thought that was relatable from Stafford, though it's not ideal
Speaker 1: what you want to hear from your star quarterback, who's
Speaker 1: your team captain, that you're paying forty five plus million
Speaker 1: dollars to. I think it's over. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: this the whole run was over. I think they paid
Speaker 1: these guys rightfully, so after they won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: they clearly regret it. No team pays guys enormous amounts
Speaker 1: of money and regrets it faster and more quickly than
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams if they do this over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Usually when you pay
Speaker 1: a guy, first case scenario, maybe there's a bad injury
Speaker 1: or like that sucks, but they when the guy's even playing,
Speaker 1: you're like, God, we regret that one. They've done it
Speaker 1: with like seven different players. It happened with the first
Speaker 1: iteration of their squad Jared Goff, remember McVeigh was out
Speaker 1: on Todd Gurley's knee gave out. Now this group, if
Speaker 1: they could have all these redo they probably would and
Speaker 1: just tank. But Colin, I think they're in major, major trouble.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're looking at I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think the Caleb sweepstakes is out of the
Speaker 1: realm possibility, at least Drake May. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they got top five draft written all over him. And
Speaker 1: like you said, Aaron Donald, would some team I don't know,
Speaker 1: like the Steelers just throw out some great teams, Like
Speaker 1: would you just trade your first round pick for him?
Speaker 1: And then if you're the Rams just kind of reset
Speaker 1: it all. I don't think that's out of the realm possibility.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I also think it's interesting because once you get
Speaker 2: the quarterback, now you've got all this cap availability. So
Speaker 2: if you have two firsts, you can get your quarterback
Speaker 2: and your left tackle, and that means they wouldn't have
Speaker 2: to pay Noe Boom in one year, so that frees
Speaker 2: up more stuff. So I think the Rams are gonna
Speaker 2: start out, they're gonna get beat by Seattle, and I
Speaker 2: think it could unravel quickly.
Speaker 3: But the Stafford.
Speaker 2: Comments, I thought, yeah, he's an old weather quarterback. I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna get ugly fast.
Speaker 3: They don't have a two.
Speaker 2: Van Jefferson's a three paid like a two. So they
Speaker 2: really don't have Tyler Higbee's a good tight end. Cam
Speaker 2: Akers solid running back, but no Cooper Cup He's their
Speaker 2: volume receiver. They're gonna be bad on both sides potentially.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is with Stafford, no one's ever talked
Speaker 1: about him like a Rogers or a Russell Wilson where
Speaker 1: there could be a disconnect. People love them. I know
Speaker 1: people that have played with him that swear by the guy.
Speaker 1: He's like a guys guy. Yeah, so this shows you
Speaker 1: that team has a gigantic Grand Canyon level gap of
Speaker 1: this group of all these young guys and then some
Speaker 1: of the older guys who are insanely rich. Now, I
Speaker 1: mean Aaron Donald wentz Al said and Done is gonna
Speaker 1: make two hundred plus million dollars. Stafford's made a ton.
Speaker 1: But I think this is the great year to you.
Speaker 1: Look up, you see Michael Pennox, you see Bo Nicks.
Speaker 1: Even if you don't get Drake may or Caleb I
Speaker 1: think you can end up with the starting quarterback like
Speaker 1: pick six.
Speaker 2: By the way, let's let's wrap it up with this,
Speaker 2: let's go back to college football and talk Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: in USC. So there were some with Caleb Williams. You're
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of scouts. There were multiple scouts at
Speaker 2: the coliseum and scouting directors and scouts watching Caleb. They
Speaker 2: have a receiver Dorian Singer, monheiman offensive lineman, a safety,
Speaker 2: Kaylin Bullock. They've got They've got some NFL guys. Mason
Speaker 2: Cobb did not play a linebacker, but there's their USC's
Speaker 2: got some, you know, half a dozen NFL players.
Speaker 3: One of the things.
Speaker 2: A scout sent me, he said, you know, Lincoln Riley
Speaker 2: has a type. They don't have a lot of size
Speaker 2: at wide receiver. They're all twitchy, they're all fast, they're
Speaker 2: all quick. But as I watched Caleb Williams, my takeaway was.
Speaker 3: That there's a.
Speaker 2: Weird and I don't know Lincoln Riley cares, but they
Speaker 2: could have taken him out in the second quarter. But
Speaker 2: there is that sense that he is now anil. You're
Speaker 2: marketing him and they don't have a great backup. Miller
Speaker 2: Moss's fine, and I was I was sitting there watching
Speaker 2: this and I'm thinking to myself, their schedule gets really
Speaker 2: hard November, December or November.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what do you do with Caleb?
Speaker 2: I mean, quarterbacks now are thrown for four or five
Speaker 2: Pennix is throwing four and five touchdown passes bo Nicks.
Speaker 2: How much do you play Caleb Williams? I have argued
Speaker 2: that if they got to the Pac twelve championship game,
Speaker 2: there's no reason to play. If you have to play
Speaker 2: Oregon again or Washington just don't, there's no reason to
Speaker 2: play him.
Speaker 3: Where are you one? How much do you play Caleb
Speaker 3: this year?
Speaker 1: I heard you say there's no conference next year, so
Speaker 1: I'm their offense is remarkable, and he's I mean the
Speaker 1: he's hist number one pick in a while since Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: But I don't really see it yet. And it's early,
Speaker 1: and you know they're playing Nevada, they're playing who they
Speaker 1: San Jose State. The defense. Listen, it's hard to also
Speaker 1: judge Oregon. They won eighty seven million to zero, and
Speaker 1: Washington look fantastic. I do think those teams are a
Speaker 1: little more physical on defense, so not that. Listen, you
Speaker 1: nit pick any top player, but those games Notre Dame
Speaker 1: and obviously Utah, which looks really really physical, But those
Speaker 1: are just fantastic games to feel really really good about.
Speaker 1: When you take the player number one overall, if he
Speaker 1: lights them up and if he just goes on to
Speaker 1: be the first back to back Heisman Trophy winner since
Speaker 1: Archie Griffin, I mean, it doesn't happen very often. He
Speaker 1: clearly I wouldn't say he's in the driver's seat because
Speaker 1: of what happened at Colorado, but he's squarely in the mix.
Speaker 1: To me, he's just judged on I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's kind of there's no way it feels like he
Speaker 1: can be overtaken. So those games are just I mean,
Speaker 1: Washington had as a big time NFL pass rusher. They
Speaker 1: always have legitimate NFL secondary guys. Dan Lanning is an
Speaker 1: SEC guy. They clearly have horses on defense, and Utah
Speaker 1: always pumps out guys. So I think those games. I
Speaker 1: think USC's gonna lose one of those games, and I
Speaker 1: think potentially too, Like I don't necessarily Colin, it's kind
Speaker 1: of in Lincoln's ethos defensively, like I like my offensive coach,
Speaker 1: like Andy Reid, Kyle Shana and Sean McVay. They value defense.
Speaker 1: I just think Lincoln I just don't see it on
Speaker 1: the body type. So for them to I guess you
Speaker 1: can get there with one loss. But I think this
Speaker 1: conference is really really good. All these teams, especially Oregon
Speaker 1: and Washington, they have NFL quarterbacks. Notre Dame looks excellent.
Speaker 1: I mean they haven't played anybody, but they do. We
Speaker 1: know they have talent. I think it's less about Caleb
Speaker 1: just because his story's already kind of written. Right. He's
Speaker 1: gonna play, He's gonna put up stats. It's what happens
Speaker 1: when their defense has to make plays, like can they
Speaker 1: bail him? Can they help him out? Right? He can?
Speaker 1: He does. He always have to bail them out. And
Speaker 1: that's what it feels like right now when I watch
Speaker 1: them play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting. I sat there in the second
Speaker 2: quarter and I kept saying, Okay, just get him out
Speaker 2: of the game, get him out of the game.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: And then I'm thinking, no, No, the Heisman, he's front
Speaker 2: and center. Ultimately, I can't I guess Lincoln Ronnie can't
Speaker 2: think about that. I saw Lee Corso pick USC to
Speaker 2: win the National Championship, and my takeaway is, I do
Speaker 2: think you can win it offensively. I didn't think you
Speaker 2: could win it offensively ten years ago. I do think
Speaker 2: you can win it offensively. But Lincoln Riley's interesting, and
Speaker 2: I think you bring up a really good point is
Speaker 2: that most almost all great offensive coaches value defense. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying Lincoln Riley doesn't, but I do wonder with
Speaker 2: the style of play that USC plays, can you develop
Speaker 2: toughness and a great defense in practice? That's where you
Speaker 2: develop a great defense.
Speaker 1: That was always the knock on chip right, the physicality
Speaker 1: when they got up against the Sea SEC teams when
Speaker 1: he was in Oregon, because you practice ones on once. Right,
Speaker 1: when you go offense defense and you're Kyle Shanahan, what
Speaker 1: do they do? They run the ball down your throat?
Speaker 1: So what are they have? Physical defense? Right? Andy just
Speaker 1: has he just inclined to love physical freaks on defense
Speaker 1: and defensive linement. So it's like same with Sean McVay.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like how they've been taught. It's not
Speaker 1: even that their offense it's more spread, but they like
Speaker 1: the big d linement.
Speaker 2: By the way, Harball loves to run it Michigan's physical
Speaker 2: Stanford got physical, The Niners with him got physical Ryan Day.
Speaker 2: The recruiting by Brian Hartline has been so good for
Speaker 2: Ohio State at wide receiver. Urban Meyer was on my
Speaker 2: show a month ago and said, you have to get
Speaker 2: the ball to those receivers. What's happened to Ohio State?
Speaker 2: They have not run the ball effectively and consistently.
Speaker 1: They look soft?
Speaker 3: Why because at practice you have to get the ball
Speaker 3: to Harrison. So it does matter.
Speaker 2: Is Ohio States become a flashier, more perimeter program. It
Speaker 2: has affected physicality and they're punishing running style. And I
Speaker 2: think that Caleb is so spectacular. I'm talking to a
Speaker 2: scout at the USC game. He's like, they have nine
Speaker 2: receivers and tight ends. They can all catch and run.
Speaker 2: You have to showcase that.
Speaker 3: So it's not that they don't run the ball.
Speaker 2: But I do think when you're as gifted as Caleb is,
Speaker 2: or you have as great a receivers as Ohio State does,
Speaker 2: and you want to exhibit that and that's the strength
Speaker 2: to your team, it can hurt physicality at practice.
Speaker 1: I actually think too, from a quarterback standpoint, because Caleb
Speaker 1: has less to really like he can't really earn anything.
Speaker 1: He's already kind of been anointed, and he keeps backing
Speaker 1: it up. Is the other quarterbacks that get to play him,
Speaker 1: just because all the eyeballs will be when Washington plays them,
Speaker 1: when Oregon plays him, when Hartman at Notre Dame plays them.
Speaker 1: It's a great opportunity for them to increase their stock
Speaker 1: because from a scouting perspective, when you watch Manning and
Speaker 1: then Brady comes on the field, and then Manning and Brady,
Speaker 1: you can see the high level play even though they're
Speaker 1: not ever on the field at the same time against
Speaker 1: the each other. I think one of those guys, if
Speaker 1: not multiple of those guys that play USC are going
Speaker 1: to jolt themselves up because so many people are going
Speaker 1: to be watching those games from an NFL standpoint.
Speaker 2: By the way, I took the last ten days off
Speaker 2: on the East Coast and Rhode Island, and it's fascinating
Speaker 2: because Rhode Island loves its lobster and is really proud
Speaker 2: of its lobster. So you see lobster art, lobster pants,
Speaker 2: lobster on every menu. There's just lobster logos everywhere. I
Speaker 2: grew up in the Pacific Northwest. You don't see crab
Speaker 2: art and crab pants. And I was telling my wife,
Speaker 2: I just I ate lobster every day because I've never
Speaker 2: eaten it, you know, my entire life. But I am
Speaker 2: here to tell you that because fewer NFL team the
Speaker 2: NFL preseason is shorter and fewer starters are playing. It
Speaker 2: was great because some schools have started around the country.
Speaker 2: I'd never taken the last week of August before Labor
Speaker 2: Day off. Holy shit, that is that's I'm doing that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm gonna make it work.
Speaker 1: It's a life ack.
Speaker 2: I literally said that is the ten days in America
Speaker 2: because a lot of people, fourth of July is the
Speaker 2: peak of their summer. And then by the last week
Speaker 2: of August, you've used all your vacation time at work, John,
Speaker 2: you want to go check out some lobster and the
Speaker 2: last week of August I got a place.
Speaker 3: Now you are welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1: Now, I'll see you there in twenty twenty four, Rhode Island,
Speaker 1: last week August.
Speaker 3: All right, buddy, good STUFFE you gone.
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