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Speaker 1: This podcast is based a large part on the book

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Speaker 1: Born Ready Mixed Legacy of Lundbyers. Some cults are narrated

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Speaker 1: by podcast producer and book author Dave and Grady from

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Speaker 1: interviews done for the book. Recruitings for those comments were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we always wanted to be like the older guys,

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Speaker 2: and you always say, man, I want I want to

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Speaker 2: do what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: So they were like a big brother to us.

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Speaker 4: I try not to get over excited by anybody in

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Speaker 4: the beginning, but I knew he was He was athletic.

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Speaker 5: I knew he could be a good player.

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Speaker 6: Jay has more, much more skill than letter skill ons

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Speaker 2: When I turned around, Jay was laying down and I

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Speaker 2: seen the crowd just come on the court, you know,

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Speaker 2: fight broke out.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was no doubt that he was a

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Speaker 5: He could do anything on the court he wanted.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't do. I just hope that I live the family have.

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Speaker 7: Everything I do from now on is dedicated for my brother.

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Speaker 2: And he was like, hey, man, your boy got killed.

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Speaker 2: I said, no, you're talking about this, said Jay Bias.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, I said, nah, man, it stop playing It's

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Speaker 3: like the whole widus got weak. I couldn't eat, I

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Speaker 3: couldn't sleep. I just didn't have nothing in and the people.

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Speaker 8: I was not prepared for the loss of dre and

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Speaker 8: nothing that I deal with with.

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Speaker 9: Len helped me through.

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Speaker 10: Drag through a window. His face flashed an engaged expression

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Speaker 10: as he talked about Len Bias being his father.

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Speaker 11: Michael Bias told me everything has been a struggle financial, emotional.

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Speaker 11: It's been a tough break for me all my life.

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Speaker 11: It's been a jinx from when I was born. Because

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Speaker 11: he died.

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Speaker 1: In this episode of Lemby looks Legacy and how the

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Speaker 1: death of lem Bison packing his Fim.

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Speaker 2: And bind Boss we also find us and lived to

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Speaker 10: The indoor basketball court at the Columbia Park Recreation Center

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Speaker 10: is not known for its visual appeal. It has no

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Speaker 10: windows for bleachers. It's a drab, beige box anchored on

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Speaker 10: each end with a basketball hoop. For a time, though,

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Speaker 10: one of its walls caught your attention when walking through

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Speaker 10: the gym. On that wall was a poster announcing the

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Speaker 10: dedication of the Wharton Macley Madkins Gymnasium in two thousand

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Speaker 10: and two. For decades, Madkins was the director of the center,

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Speaker 10: also known as The Wreck. He helped coach Lund Bias

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Speaker 10: and others in both football and basketball. Here's Madkins talking

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Speaker 10: about Bias shortly after his death.

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Speaker 3: At first, Kid used to laugh at I mean, I'll

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Speaker 4: But he kept playing, playing the like every day. He

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Speaker 10: A picture in the poster, located on the bottom right,

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Speaker 10: includes Jay Bias, the younger brother of Lund Bias. He

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Speaker 10: emblazoned with the words Boston Celtics in bright white letters.

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Speaker 10: Below the picture are words attributed to Madkins that read,

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Speaker 10: they may leave, but they always find a way back.

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Speaker 10: Jay's legend at the Wreck is as profound as Lens.

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Speaker 10: For different yet sadly parallel reasons, neither made it back.

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Speaker 10: Lent died in nineteen eighty six, a victim of drug

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Speaker 10: overdose during a celebration. Jay died in nineteen ninety, a

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Speaker 10: victim of gun violence following an argument. The picture in

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Speaker 10: the poster was taken the winter after Lent died when

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Speaker 10: a Columbia Park team won a club tournament in North Carolina.

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Speaker 10: Next to Jay in the picture is Jay's best friend

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Speaker 10: Clint Mennable. The two had met at the Wreck. Basketball

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Speaker 10: played a large part in their developing a deep friendship,

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Speaker 10: one that resembled brothers more than friends.

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Speaker 2: Played ball with June. We ate over each other house,

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Speaker 2: you know, over there. Yeah, he come on my house.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's how all the guys was in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: And that's when they I can say, you know, especially

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Speaker 3: You know, the guys got along. We always had each

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Speaker 2: If gym weren't open yet, we'd play outside wait for

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Speaker 10: Bias was a hero to many young people for his

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Speaker 10: basketball talents, perhaps none more than to Clint Bennable and

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Speaker 10: Jay Bias. Vennable talks reverently about his mentors Bias, Brian

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Speaker 10: Waller and Johnny Walker, They all taught Jay and Clint

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Speaker 10: and others at the Wreck about basketball in life. At times,

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Speaker 2: You know, theyasically kick us off the court because he

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Speaker 3: Guys used to work out.

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Speaker 2: They used to let Jay and myself and Henry never

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Speaker 3: And we just wanted to hang out with these guys.

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Speaker 10: Watching one play convinced venta Ball that he wanted to

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Speaker 3: I used to watch the way he worked on the court,

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Speaker 2: And how you cut off the guy, you know, how

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Speaker 3: How he boxed out, you know.

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Speaker 2: How he played the game, and a lot of stuff

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Speaker 10: During the rare times Clint played on the same team

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Speaker 2: When you're playing with someone like that, you're thinking, like,

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Speaker 10: And when Jay played against lend the elder Bias did

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Speaker 2: You know, when he's on the floor, he ain't He's on him,

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Speaker 3: They didn't been through what we're going through.

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Speaker 2: We probably gonn't go to our parents and talk to them,

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Speaker 3: So they were like a big brother to us.

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Speaker 10: Venable felt as if he was a brother to Jay

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Speaker 10: and by extension, part of the Bias family. Jay, Bias

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Speaker 10: and Menible we're still in junior high school. When Len

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Speaker 2: Of one we just go right there and watched the

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Speaker 10: And they were able to play pickup games on the

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Speaker 2: Uh wrollside and they play. It had the lights out there.

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Speaker 2: You know, you got some of the guys from Maryland playing.

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Speaker 3: You even had.

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Speaker 2: A cute gatling uh, Jeff Baxter Lennard.

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Speaker 2: I mean just being on the court with those guys.

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Speaker 2: You know you're thinking, like and I'm in high school

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Speaker 10: Brian Waller was Len's high school teammate. He says Vennaball

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Speaker 10: Here's how Waller compared the skills of.

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Speaker 11: Len and j Waller told me Leonard was more power,

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Speaker 11: Jay was more finesse. Lennard was by far the better shooter,

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Speaker 11: left hand. Both were great athletes. Both could jump and leap.

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Speaker 11: Len was a two footer. Most of his dunks were

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Speaker 10: When it came time for Jay Bias and Venable to

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Speaker 10: pick their high schools, how could they not pick Northwestern?

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Speaker 10: It was the only place they would be comfortable playing basketball.

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Speaker 10: Len Bias and Brian Waller, their two idols, made it

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Speaker 10: Len's junior year.

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Speaker 2: You watched the older guys play, and you want to

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Speaker 3: We had the best cheerleader school. You know, had a

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Speaker 10: Venable was a year older than Jay and played varsity

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Speaker 4: I try not to get over excited about anybody in

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Speaker 10: A lot of that atmosphere was due to the school's coach,

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Speaker 10: Bob Wagner. His last year's coach was in nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 10: the year that Leunn died. Earlier that season, Wagner picked

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Speaker 10: keep Jay close to him rather than keep him on

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Speaker 6: Jay had much more skill than Leonard did skill wise

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Speaker 5: Back his development.

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Speaker 10: On the day Lund died, Jay scored twenty points in

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Speaker 10: a summer league basketball game Northwestern won by twenty one points.

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Speaker 10: He also made time to talk about his brother for

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Speaker 3: He was the.

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Speaker 7: Best brother that I think ever in the whole world,

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Speaker 7: the best brother. Anything that he wanted to doe, I mean,

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Speaker 7: anything that you needed, he'd jump right on it, always on.

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Speaker 3: Top of the job, just like my father.

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Speaker 7: I just hope that I live to see him at heaven,

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Speaker 7: and everything I do from now on is dedicated for

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Speaker 7: my brother.

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Speaker 10: But Jay struggled to maintain that focus. He soon showed

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Speaker 10: signs of trouble dealing with his brother's death. When he

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Speaker 10: Jay said the following in a Baltimore Sun story in

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Speaker 10: Since he was gone. I saw no reason to do

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Speaker 10: Things were different. The next season, Northwestern finished with the

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Speaker 10: Jay put up big numbers, averaging twenty five points and

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Speaker 10: Managed to avoid the on court altercations that soured his

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Speaker 10: Jay's mother, Lenise Bias, said that Jay earned a two

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Speaker 10: Jay chose instead to attend to Allegheny Community College, considered

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Speaker 10: alleghany quote, it will give him a chance to get

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Speaker 10: Quote it was for one year. It helped that Bennable,

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Speaker 10: He and Jay were reunited as teammates. As a freshman,

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Speaker 10: He scored a two point nine grade point average in

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Speaker 10: go to high school games. Jay said in a Baltimore

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Speaker 10: But Jay showed signs of uncertainty with basketball and life

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Speaker 10: Gennibal went on to play for Boling Green University. Jay

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Speaker 10: about that time, Bob Wagner, Jay and Len's high school coach,

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Speaker 13: I said, well, you know you're gonna play again or

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Speaker 12: And I always remember him saying, he says, you know,

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Speaker 10: ESPN basketball analysts Jay Billis, who played against Bias while

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Speaker 10: He didn't know what he was doing, as Jay Bias

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Speaker 10: Cannibal also had five assists. He was carried off Bowling

441
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 10: Green's home court by his teammates as the game hero.

442
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 10: Within a few days, though, Vennable's life would take a

443
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 10: stunning turn.

444
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Speaker 8: I was not prepared for the loss of Jay, and

445
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 8: nothing that I dealed with with Lenn helped me through Jay,

446
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 8: because I had already buried one son. God, what is this?

447
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 8: What are you talking about? My daughter called me and

448
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 8: she said, mon Jay has been shot.

449
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 10: I said, what, that's Lenise bias talking about how she

450
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 10: reacted to the news that her second son, Jay had

451
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 10: been shot. He died soon after. Two sons dead within

452
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Speaker 10: five years. Both destined for greatness as basketball players, their

453
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Speaker 10: legacies instead defined by tragic, unforeseen, and fatal consequences. On

454
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Speaker 10: December fourth, Jay had gone to a jewelry store to

455
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 10: check on an engagement ring he had ordered for his girlfriend.

456
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 10: In the store, Jay saw Jerry Tyler, who thought Jay

457
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Speaker 10: was flirting with his wife, a store clerk. The two

458
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 10: men argued. Jay then left the store. Minutes later, someone

459
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Speaker 10: in a Mercedes Benz drove next to the car. Jay

460
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 10: sat in the passenger seat of that car. It was

461
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 10: waiting at a stop sign outside the mall. Someone from

462
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Speaker 10: the Mercedes Benz car fired a gun, killing Jay. Tyler

463
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 10: was later convicted of the murder and sentenced to life

464
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Speaker 10: in prison.

465
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Speaker 9: And he looked up to his brother.

466
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 8: He looked up to his brother even until the day

467
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Speaker 8: Jay died. He missed his brother so much. He missed

468
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Speaker 8: his brother so much until the very day he died.

469
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Speaker 10: A few months before Jay died, Bob Wagner asked former

470
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Speaker 10: Georgetown coach John Thompson to have a talk with Jay.

471
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Speaker 12: John apparently talked to him, and if John can't talk

472
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Speaker 12: to a kid off the street and get him, and

473
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Speaker 12: he said, and he told me.

474
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Speaker 13: He said, well, I can't do.

475
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Speaker 3: Anything with that kidd.

476
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Speaker 13: He you know, he's not going to make the commitment.

477
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 13: He's not going to do what he has to do.

478
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Speaker 3: And that was sad.

479
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Speaker 13: And then, of course, you know, a few months later

480
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 13: Jay's dead.

481
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 19: Anyway, Ed basically said to me, mister Wagner, my brother

482
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 19: didn't know what he was doing, and I'm not going

483
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 19: to make the same mistake Jay made the Prelium game

484
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 19: or whatever, Capitol Classic.

485
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 13: I was watching a practice and it was at Springbrook.

486
00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 13: Jay was late.

487
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 12: So anyway, Jay walks into gym at Springbrook with Brian

488
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 12: Tribble and I said, what are you doing with him?

489
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 12: Because Isay? In my mind he's still the guy that

490
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 12: killed Leonard. He said, well, I didn't have a ride,

491
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 12: so Brian gave me a ride.

492
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Speaker 9: I said, Jay, what are you doing?

493
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Speaker 12: You can't have bron And that's when he made the

494
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 12: comment about.

495
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 13: You know, I'm going to be who if I want

496
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 13: to be with, and.

497
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Speaker 16: You know, I'm not going to make the same mistake

498
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 16: my brother may he didn't know what he was doing.

499
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 10: Jerry Tayler's wife, the store clerk Jay was talking to,

500
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 10: testified at the trial of her husband, Seanelle Tyler, claimed

501
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 10: in the testimony that Jay Buys repeatedly pursued her in

502
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 10: the weeks before he died. The two had dated each

503
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 10: other in high school. She claimed that Jay had asked

504
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 10: her out a few days before the shooting, four days

505
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 10: after it's big win over Michigan State, and the day

506
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 10: after Jay Buys died, Bowling Green was preparing for an

507
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 10: evening game at Western Kentucky. Clint Venable, Jay's best friend

508
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 10: in the team starguard, had just beenish showering in the

509
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 10: team hotel following a shooter.

510
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: We had one of the rooms for the connecting doors

511
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: some of the two other guys on the team, and

512
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: they was, you know, watching.

513
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: The sports with its being I think it was, and uh,

514
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: I just.

515
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: Got the shower and they was like, hey man, your

516
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: boy just got killed. I said, now you're talking about this,

517
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: said Jay Byes.

518
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 3: Excuse me.

519
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: I said, nah, man, stop playing. It's right here on

520
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: TV again. So I looked at it and it's like

521
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: everything just you know, it just messed me up, and

522
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: it's like the whole bodies got weak. I went down

523
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 2: there and called my parents on the pay and I

524
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: just couldn't leave it. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep

525
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: that whole time we was in West Kentucky.

526
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: I'm walking around, went down to the lobby. Uh.

527
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: The first game we played, I just didn't have nothing

528
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: in there.

529
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: I just couldn't. I couldn't played, couldn't play at all

530
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: the whole time.

531
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Speaker 10: He tried, though, against unrayed Western Kentucky. That night, Venable

532
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 10: scored just eight points, shooting two of thirteen from the fields.

533
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 10: He missed all of his shots from three point range.

534
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 10: Bowling Green loss by thirteen points. In nineteen eighty six,

535
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 10: when Lundbias died, Venable made sure to attend the funeral.

536
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 10: He interrupted his day at the five star basketball camp

537
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 10: to attend the funeral. When Venable returned to the camp,

538
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 10: he was surprised how everyone reacted to lun stuff.

539
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: He had a moment of silence, thought Lena and the

540
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: counselors and some of the you know, ball play the

541
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: young kids kind of you know, was crying, and I

542
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: got cheeryot and I was sitting it looking like, you know,

543
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it because I knew Leonard was good,

544
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: but I didn't look at him like.

545
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 3: Everyone else looked at him because he was from the neighborhood,

546
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 3: you know.

547
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Speaker 2: And I was sitting here like, you know, these cats

548
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: don't even know len it and they you know, crying

549
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: and you know, they was weeping.

550
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: So I was like, wow, you know, it was amazing.

551
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 10: It was different. For Jay's funeral, Venable chose to stay

552
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 10: with this Bowling Green team rather than return to Maryland.

553
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to come home for the funeral, but when

554
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: I had talked to him Bides, she told me, you know,

555
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: just go ahead and stay up school and you know,

556
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: everything is fine. We're doing okay, and you know, she

557
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: just told me, you know, everything would be all right.

558
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: I wish I would have been there, but you know,

559
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: like I said, I don't know how I would have

560
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: took it, you know, you know that's all.

561
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: I kept thinking. I'm like, wow, I go home. I'm

562
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: not gonna see him no more. He's not gonna be.

563
00:27:49,680 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 20: There because so many times we're always ready to throw

564
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 20: in the towel.

565
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 14: Life is too hard.

566
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 5: I can't make it. I can't go on.

567
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 20: But I stand here is a wakeness today, understanding that

568
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 20: what my family.

569
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 17: And I went through was not for us.

570
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 20: It was to stand up in such a time as

571
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 20: this to let people know you can't make it.

572
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 10: That's Lenise Bias speaking at a college in Pennsylvania in

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Speaker 10: January twenty eleven. For the past three plus decades, Bias

574
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 10: has turned personal grief into a catalyst for change. The

575
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 10: middle class Christian mom has become a national icon. She

576
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 10: hopes that others can benefit from her unrelatable losses. Within

577
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 10: weeks of the famous death of her eldest son, Lan,

578
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 10: Lonise began speaking out against drug abuse, and the murder

579
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 10: a few years later of Jay only fueled her mission

580
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 10: with a relentless passion. Lenise Bias still preaches a series

581
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 10: of messages. One is to realize we all have good

582
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 10: in us.

583
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 20: Fun, don't be weary and doing well.

584
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 17: The only way you can get boiled.

585
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 20: The only way you can get oil from an units

586
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 20: to crush it.

587
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: The only way you can.

588
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 9: Get juice from an ora just to squeeze it.

589
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 8: The only way you can get a diamond.

590
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 20: For coal is on a millions and millions and millions.

591
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 5: Of tons of pressed And we all have some good

592
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 5: in us.

593
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 20: Something that someone is waiting on.

594
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 11: We haven't used all that we have to be able.

595
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 9: To give.

596
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 10: A message to embrace yourself worth.

597
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 20: You get up and look in that mirror, you're gonna

598
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 20: find one of the reasons why you should hate yourself.

599
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 20: Learn to feel good in your skin, knowing that you're

600
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 20: theorically and wonderfully made. Knowing that you're beautiful, know that

601
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 20: no one else in the world has a set of

602
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 20: pupils like yours or finger prints.

603
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 13: You are orally and wonderfully made.

604
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 5: You are a thing of beauty.

605
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 9: You are hid.

606
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 10: And to embrace those close to you because you never know.

607
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 20: Don't wait until someone died and were how valuable they work.

608
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 5: In you and your right because stop you.

609
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 17: Stop the grudges of.

610
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Speaker 13: The things that that could not be paying here while

611
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 13: they were alive.

612
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 20: When give me right, it will be not nothing.

613
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 17: And so if I just had a share.

614
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 20: Just saying I'm sorry.

615
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: I didn't mean.

616
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 10: The death of UnBias affected millions of people in a

617
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 10: variety of ways. Life saver, career changer, cautionary tale, eye opener,

618
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 10: program devastator, and inspiration against drug abuse. His death affected

619
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 10: no one as much as Limmy's Bias. The middle class

620
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 10: mom turned motivational speaker, an emotional healer, one whose mantra

621
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Speaker 10: is young. People are reachable, teachable, lovable and savable. If

622
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 10: only someone could have saved her son's one and jay.

623
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 10: It started when the phone rang at six thirty five

624
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 10: am on June Nineteenthlenise remembers getting a phone call. Keith Gatlin,

625
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 10: a teammate of one called to sell her Lenn had

626
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 10: a seizure and was on his way to the hospital.

627
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Speaker 8: We're laying there in bed on June nineteenth and a

628
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Speaker 8: call comes, And what I remember clearly about that morning

629
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 8: is that the room was filled with so much sunlight

630
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 8: till it was almost like your eyes watered when you

631
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 8: open your eyes. The phone rang and it was someone

632
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 8: saying that Lynn was sick.

633
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 9: He's at the hospital.

634
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 8: I said what, and so I told my husband He

635
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 8: said what, And we got up and we went to

636
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Speaker 8: the hospital.

637
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 9: And we got there and.

638
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 8: I saw the players outside crying and torn up and

639
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 8: media all over the place, and I was saying, well,

640
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 8: what's going on? And when we got in, they said

641
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 8: that Lynn had gotten sick, something that happened to him.

642
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 8: And I asked the.

643
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Speaker 2: Nurse.

644
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 8: She said, we have him on life support. I said, well,

645
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 8: is he breathing on his own?

646
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 9: She said no.

647
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 8: I said, is this heart beating? And she said no,

648
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 8: And it was one other thing I asked. I said, well,

649
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 8: he's gone, and she said, no, he's not gone. The

650
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 8: doctor isn't here yet or arrived and he gave the

651
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Speaker 8: official declaration, if you will, that he's gone. And then

652
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 8: everything fell the pieces, everything went crazy, and we went

653
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 8: in and we looked at it and lying there and

654
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 8: my husband torn up, just torn to pieces. And God

655
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 8: had given me a strength to stand there, to look

656
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 8: and to rub his head and to get home.

657
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 10: Jeff Baxter, a teammate of Lens, was also at the hospital.

658
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 10: Baxter noticed the calm demeanor of Lenise Bias amid the

659
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Speaker 10: emotional storm.

660
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: How do that she was calm as hell?

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Speaker 2: That surprised me, not because of her persoda, but it

662
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Speaker 2: surprised me because of the advent they have at that point.

663
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Speaker 3: I don't know how you could be as calm.

664
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Speaker 9: As she was.

665
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 10: For Lanise Bias, there has been a new life after

666
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 10: the death of one Bias. She gave her first speech

667
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 10: on July twenty sixth, nineteen eighty six, at a church

668
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 10: not far from the Bias home. A young female friend

669
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 10: of Lens invited her to speak after She appeared on

670
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 10: The seven hundred Club, a television show syndicated on a

671
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 10: national Christian work. She gave speeches within the first year

672
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 10: of one's death to young people and business groups. One

673
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 10: of those speeches took place on December third, nineteen eighty six.

674
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 10: New Marilynd men's basketball coach Bob Wade was among those

675
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 10: in the audience. Here's part of what Bias said in

676
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 10: that speech. Quote, God had to take something special to

677
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 10: save a generation. Somebody has got to get out and

678
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 10: say something. I believe God is using me. I'm basically

679
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 10: a sewer seeds. I tell people what is right and

680
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 10: what is wrong. Maybe some will get the message.

681
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 9: End quote.

682
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 10: In the late nineteen eighties, Lenise Bias earned the chance

683
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 10: to speak to the NBA rookies as part of its

684
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 10: orientation program. Former Celtics star Sach Sanders operated the program

685
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 10: for the NBA.

686
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 21: Well, I think the player came out thinking that players

687
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 21: came out thinking that they are mother or grandmother was

688
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 21: somehow connected with the NBA's program. After having this woman talk,

689
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 21: they they hadn't left home. The lectures were there, the

690
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 21: voice was there. She brought an important piece for a

691
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 21: few years that she came and spoke to the players.

692
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 21: A lot of players, you know, if they're thinking that

693
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 21: they have arrived in terms of being grown. Now they're

694
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 21: leaving home and going to get paid to play professional basketball,

695
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 21: and all of a sudden, here was the voice of

696
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 21: the mother. Aunt grandmother got in. Whoever they respected was

697
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 21: right there in the program because not only did she

698
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 21: talk to them, she stayed around a couple of days

699
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 21: and sat with players and talked to them, and you know,

700
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 21: cause they really wanted to know more about Thank thank

701
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 21: for the program.

702
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 10: In the immediate months after the death of his oldest son,

703
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 10: Lenn James Bias acted like any father would, with a

704
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 10: mix of grief, anger, confusion, and resolve. During a memorial

705
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 10: service for lend a few days after he died, James

706
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 10: spotted Len's two most prominent coaches about Wagner from high

707
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 10: school and left Tea yourself from college. Here's Wagner recalling

708
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 10: the incident.

709
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 13: At the wake. I was deeply hurt by this.

710
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 12: At the wake, I wrote down with Lefty because we

711
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 12: didn't know where we were going.

712
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 13: We come into the church and I know.

713
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 12: Mister Bias was still hurt and upset, but Lefty walks

714
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 12: over to give his condolences, and mister Bias has something

715
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 12: like te Lefty like, you stay away from me. You

716
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 12: killed mich saw this, Oh, I'm staying right and you too,

717
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 12: and pointed to me. I just took that very personally.

718
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 12: I never said anything to him. I thought there were

719
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 12: times when I thought about just driving through Columbia Park

720
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 12: and maybe talking to mister Bias and seeing you know,

721
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 12: like you know, I'm sorry about what happened.

722
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 10: James Bias has stayed mostly in the background since the

723
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 10: death of Lend. He has spoken little about his son's death.

724
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 10: His most profound words came about a year from Lend's death.

725
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 10: Here's what he said in a Washington Post story. Quote,

726
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 10: the biggest problem for me was looking at Leonard's possessions,

727
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 10: all piles up in the bedroom. They say time heals

728
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 10: all wounds, but you never outlive it because there's always

729
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 10: these question marks. What really happened to Lend Bias end quote.

730
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 10: There was a collective resolve by Lenise and James Bias

731
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 10: to find out what happened to the money they felt

732
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 10: was due Len's estate. In June nineteen eighty seven, the

733
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 10: Bias family filed a twenty seven million dollar lawsuit alleging

734
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 10: fraud and negligence by Leaf Interest and Advantage International. Ventris

735
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 10: was the agent for Bias and worked for Advantage. The

736
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 10: company was in negotiations with the Boston Celtics and Rebock

737
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 10: on behalf of Bias. The Bias family believed that Advantage

738
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 10: had secured a one million dollar life insurance policy on Bias.

739
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 10: The Biases claim in the lawsuit that they did not

740
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 10: buy the life insurance because they believed Ventris had already

741
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 10: purchased it. The suit also asked for two point six

742
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 10: million dollars from Reebok. It claimed the company told James

743
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 10: and Lanni's Bias that an agreement had been made between

744
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 10: Rebok and Lun Bias. It claimed Bias would have been

745
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 10: paid three hundred twenty five thousand dollars a year for

746
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 10: five years. Advantage denied the existence of a contract. Joanne

747
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 10: Brazaki and Alette worked as a marketing manager for Rebok

748
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 10: when the company was negotiating a deal with Bias. She

749
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 10: worked closely with Bias.

750
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 5: So there was nothing signed. I can honestly tell you that.

751
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 10: Further, the Bias family sued an insurance company for breach

752
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 10: of contract. The Biases had purchased a one million dollar

753
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 10: policy on behalf of Lund district, and appeals courts ruled

754
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 10: against the Bias estate in both cases. They appealed the

755
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 10: lawsuits against Reebok and Advantage to the US Supreme Court,

756
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 10: which refused to hear the appeal. To make matters worse,

757
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 10: the Bias family had to pay back alone of about

758
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 10: twenty thousand dollars they had taken out for Lund in

759
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 10: the months before he died.

760
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 20: When len died, I prayed to die.

761
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: I did not want to live.

762
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 5: I did not want to live.

763
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 20: Four years later, Jay died, I prayed to die a day.

764
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 20: I guess what here?

765
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 5: I am alive and well.

766
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 20: I could not see anything but darkness when lead and die.

767
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 20: And then when Jay died the same hospital, the same

768
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 20: bad duds all over again.

769
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 9: I didn't think I have made it.

770
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 10: The calm that Lenise Bias displayed after the death of

771
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 10: one was not evident. Four years later, after j Byas

772
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 10: died in a surreal manner, Jay was taken to the

773
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 10: same hospital as was one.

774
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 8: So I go to the same waiting room and knock

775
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 8: on the same door, and my daughter opens it. I said,

776
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 8: how is Jay doing? She said, Man, Jay is gone.

777
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 8: I said what she said, Jay is gone. I went

778
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 8: completely off. I took my fists and I beat the

779
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 8: walls in in that waiting room with my fists. I

780
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 8: beat holes in the wall. I took the lamps. I

781
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 8: threw them in the floor. I screamed, I hollered. I

782
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 8: was so angry with God. I was so mad. This

783
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 8: was not fair. And as I walked out of the door,

784
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 8: my husband and my daughter were trying to calm me down.

785
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 8: As I walked out of the door, there was a

786
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 8: nurse on my left, and she said, oh, we have

787
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 8: prepared Jay's body for you to look at. And at

788
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 8: that time I could have spit in her face.

789
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 9: I told her get away from me.

790
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 8: I'm not going to look at anybody. I'm not going

791
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 8: to look at a body. And we got home, and

792
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 8: when we pulled up, here's the whole thing getting ready

793
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 8: to start again. And I walked in. There were people

794
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 8: sitting and seated in my house. I told him to

795
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 8: get out of my house, get out my house. And

796
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 8: then I went to my bedroom and shut the door

797
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 8: and stayed in there for three days.

798
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 9: And every time I.

799
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 8: Thought about what God had allowed to happen to our

800
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 8: family again. I would get mad. I would lay there.

801
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 8: Someone would bring me a cup of water. I'd take

802
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 8: it and throw it up against the wall. So God

803
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 8: let me have my temper tantrum for three days. And

804
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 8: on the third day day I got up and I

805
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 8: started to move forward.

806
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 10: Over the years, Lenise and James Bias have seen some

807
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 10: groups recently except the legacy of her sons more willingly,

808
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 10: most notably of one. Since twenty twelve, one has been

809
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 10: inducted into three athletic Halls of Fame, the most recent

810
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 10: one in November twenty twenty one. We will have more

811
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 10: on that in a later segment. Perhaps more profoundly, One's

812
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 10: legacy lives on in the everyday lives of some who

813
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 10: have used his death as a red light to stop

814
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 10: abusing drugs. Denise Bias sees the signs often.

815
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 8: I was on a plane one time, traveling to speak

816
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 8: in a flight attendant handed me a note saying, I

817
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 8: know it's you.

818
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 9: I know it's you. I know it's you.

819
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 8: I stopped cocaine the day your son died. This was

820
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 8: a flight attendant. I have received letters and cards, emails

821
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 8: from people over the years who said they literally stopped

822
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 8: you drugs. The day LN Dye, my husband and I

823
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 8: were in what was it, Walmart last year, year before last,

824
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 8: a man walked up to us. He said, Miss Bias,

825
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 8: I've been saying forever that I wanted to tell you this,

826
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 8: he said. I was in college. Never use drugs, he said.

827
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 8: And a friend of mine, who was in grad school,

828
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 8: someone that I respected, told me they have this stuff

829
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 8: out called cocaine, and they she said that you would

830
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 8: feel so good when you just rub it on your teeth.

831
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 8: And he said, because of who she was he was

832
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 8: in school, he respected her. He was going to try it,

833
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 8: he said. The next day, ln Dye, and he never

834
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 8: touched it. I mean wherever I have gone from, I

835
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 8: had been everywhere to speak, from the wealthiest, the porest,

836
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 8: and everything in between. And everybody has their stories of

837
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 8: how Len's death.

838
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 9: Saved them.

839
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 10: Michael Bias spoke calmly as he sat in a chair

840
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 10: on the secured side of the visitors area through a window.

841
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 10: His face flashed an engaged expression as he talked about

842
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 10: his father.

843
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 11: Michael Bias told me everything has been a struggle financially, emotionally,

844
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 11: it's been a tough break for me all my life.

845
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 11: It's been a jinx from when I was born because

846
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 11: he died.

847
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 10: The conversation took place in July twenty eleven at the

848
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 10: ann Arundel County Detention Center in Maryland, in the same

849
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 10: month that Michael was born to Tina Maynard twenty five

850
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 10: years earlier. Both Michael Bias and Maynard claim Lund Bias

851
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 10: is Michael's father. Leonard Kevin Bias, which matches Leund's name,

852
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 10: is listed as the father on My's birth certificate. A

853
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 10: DNA test has never been done before. Others have confirmed

854
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 10: that Michael Bias is one's son. Michael Bias has spent

855
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 10: the early part of his adulthood incarcerated for crimes that

856
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 10: range from driving without a license to arm robbery and

857
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 10: reckless endangerment. Michael made it clear that the most important

858
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 10: thing he wants from the Bias family is recognition. He

859
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 10: did meet Linise and James Bias when he was about

860
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 10: one month old.

861
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 11: Michael told me, I want to meet the other side

862
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 11: of my family. They owe me an open conversation. It's

863
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 11: like a missing piece in the puzzle of my life.

864
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 10: Michael Leonard Bias was born in July third, nineteen eighty six.

865
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 10: Maynard had first seen Len Bias when she was thirteen.

866
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 10: She attended a high school step playoff game to support

867
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 10: the brother of a friend who was playing in the game,

868
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 10: but after she saw Lan on the court, her focus

869
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 10: shifted away from her friend's brother.

870
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 11: Maynard told me, I was young, he was tall, and

871
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 11: he was the star ball player.

872
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 10: Several years later, Maynard met Bias at a party on

873
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 10: the Maryland campus in fall of nineteen eighty five. Bias

874
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 10: was just beginning his senior year. Within weeks of meeting Bias,

875
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 10: Maynard says she was pregnant by him. Maynard, as she

876
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 10: spent time that school year on the Maryland campus, often

877
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 10: in Lem's dormitory suite, She says she knew that Lem

878
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 10: was romantically involved with other women.

879
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Speaker 11: Maynard told me, I never thought that he was only

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Speaker 11: dating me. I was not bothered by it at all.

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Speaker 10: Maynard says that during the time she knew Bias, he

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Speaker 10: would use cocaine on occasion. When Maynard told Bias she

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Speaker 10: was pregnant with his child, she says he asked if

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Speaker 10: she was certain. After she started crying, she says he

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Speaker 10: asked what was wrong.

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Speaker 11: Maynard told me, I said, I'm so young. He said,

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Speaker 11: You're going to be okay. He could have been, well,

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00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 11: it ain't my baby, but he didn't say that.

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Speaker 10: Several teammates of Bias during his senior year all denied

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Speaker 10: knowing of Bias being the father of Maynard's child. Only one,

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Speaker 10: Phil Nevin, recalled seeing someone who resembled Maynard. He was

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Speaker 10: a roommate of Bias during bias his last year. When

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Speaker 10: told during a phone conversation that a woman claimed to

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00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 10: have given birth to Len's child, Nevin asked, without being

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Speaker 10: told her name, was it Athenia Tina? I remember? Was

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Speaker 10: she light skinned? He asked, yes, that's her. He says,

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Speaker 10: I saw her occasionally. Maynard set up a meeting to

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Speaker 10: introduce her son to the Bias family within a few

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Speaker 10: weeks of Michael Bias's birth. Maynard says she visited them

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Speaker 10: at their home along with her mother, a sister, and

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Speaker 10: her uncle, Joseph Sastro Simms. Maynard didn't make the call

902
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 10: herself because she was concerned about how the Biased family

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00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 10: would react to the news. She was on sure if

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Speaker 10: Linise Bias knew that Lenn had fathered a child and

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Speaker 10: Maynard says she was concerned about the perception that she

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Speaker 10: was trying to take advantage of Bias's fame. She felt

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Speaker 10: people would think she was, as she put it, a

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00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 10: gold digger. Maynard remembers the gathering lasting a few hours.

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Speaker 10: She claims that Linise and James Bias held the baby

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Speaker 10: throughout much of a meeting, and that James cried often

911
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Speaker 10: during the visit. Maynard says at the meeting that she

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Speaker 10: expressed a willingness to take a DNA test to confirm

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Speaker 10: that Michael was one son, but she says she received

914
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Speaker 10: no response from the Bias family. Simms, Maynard's uncle, also

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Speaker 10: attended the meeting. He remember the meeting is mostly uncomfortable.

916
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Speaker 11: Sims told me, speaking of Lenise's Bias. I wasn't expecting

917
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Speaker 11: her to run out and say, here's my son's child,

918
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Speaker 11: and I wasn't expecting the cold and aloopness that I got.

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Speaker 10: Maynard says the Bias family showed little interest in Michael

920
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Speaker 10: after that day. Once she and Sims brought Michael long

921
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Speaker 10: to a speech by Linise Bias so she could see Michael.

922
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Speaker 10: Sims took Michael to greet Lenise after her speech Sims

923
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Speaker 10: recalled the brief encounter.

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Speaker 11: Sims told me she didn't completely ignore me, but it

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Speaker 11: wasn't that great of a meeting. It was no better

926
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Speaker 11: than thirty seconds.

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Speaker 10: During our interview in twenty eleven, Maynard wondered why Linise

928
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Speaker 10: Bias and her family have for the most part, ignored him.

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Speaker 11: Maynard told me, why don't you acknowledge your grandson? That's

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Speaker 11: what I would want to ask her. When asked if

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Speaker 11: she thinks it will happen, she said no, it hasn't

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Speaker 11: thus far.

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Speaker 10: There are no indications that Michael Bias has met members

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Speaker 10: of Len Bias's immediate family. Michael Bias declined an interview

935
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Speaker 10: for this podcast. Linise Bias was not contacted for this podcast.

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Speaker 10: She was asked in emails, phone calls, and a letter

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Speaker 10: for an interview for the book of which this podcast

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Speaker 10: is based. She refused all requests. Based on her past reluctance,

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Speaker 10: producers have chosen not to reach out to her for

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Speaker 10: this podcast series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just dedicated.

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Speaker 3: Up next on Len Bias and Mixed Legacy. Faming Legacy.

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Speaker 22: I found out after calling Lefty Uh that Lenn had

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Speaker 22: never been inducted into the Maryland Basketball Hall of Fame.

945
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Speaker 22: And so I said, he deserves to be recognized.

946
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Speaker 2: I remember one kid, recently departed alumni has said that

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Speaker 2: he would have his name removed from the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame if then Bias got in.

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Speaker 5: So that was how strong they thought.

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Speaker 4: About we are here today experiencing history, the.

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Speaker 9: Bias today here.

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Speaker 17: It was strictly based on his achievements at Maryland. And

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Speaker 17: and you often heard due of those deliberations you heard,

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Speaker 17: you know, comparisons to Michael Jordans. Treble was not going

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Speaker 17: to be blamed.

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Speaker 5: This is a time when drug use is tolerated.

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Speaker 17: They were not going to play the blame game.

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Speaker 23: One tragedy story when Lin Bias passed away from using cocaine,

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Speaker 23: My father came in the house furious, furious, if you

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00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 23: ever do this, I'll kill you. You ain't gonna have time

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Speaker 23: to overdose.

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Speaker 3: I'll kill you.

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Speaker 1: This podcast series is based on the book Born Ready

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Speaker 1: The Mixed Legacy of Limby's, published by Go Grading Media.

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Speaker 1: The series is produced by Go Grading Media in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Octagon Entertainment. This segment was produced by Dave on

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Speaker 1: Grady and Don Mark. It was written by Dave and

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Speaker 1: edited by Don Marcus. The narrator was Lauren Rosh, with

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Speaker 1: additional narration by Jamal Williams. Technical production was provided by

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Speaker 1: Octagon Entertainment. Production assistance was produced by Kevin McNulty, Tino Quagliata,

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Speaker 1: Lauren Rosh, Georgia Brown, Casey Fair, Jamal Williams, Kelsey Mannix

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Speaker 1: and enzol Al Varenia. Matt Dewhurst is providing the social

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Speaker 1: media systems special thanks to the University of Maryland and

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Speaker 1: American University providing instruments. The Decision Education Foundation is a

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Speaker 1: content and promotional partner of this podcast series. More information

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00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: go to gogradymedia dot com. This has been a production

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Speaker 1: of go Grady Media and the Eighth Side Network